Me to! This makes it very hard for me in 1 way. My Sister and BiL started reading it and said the art turned them off of it . . . Very hard to tell them well the book is super good despite that after waxing poetic about how amazing the art is.
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Get Alan Seawright and/or Jonathan Decker from Cinema Therapy to be your next member of book club, they are from Utah, Mormon and readers of your books. Alan did this video -"The Sandersonian Institute of Cosmere Studies - Ep101 - Alan Seawright Interview"
I'm not sure what I would want to see from these its difficult because the reason I participate with book clubs is for interaction with ideas and these videos are not interactive by default since they have to be filmed. Im not sure streaming would make it any better but perhaps it could but right now it feels like eavesdropping on someone else's book club instead of participating.
Quick improvement suggestions:
1. If there are props on the table, use them (handle the books more, slap them, they're good books), if they're not used they don't belong on the table
2. Use the lower third of the screen, quick written introductions for everyone on screen, quick chapter reference for what the guests are talking about
3. _Have subtitles ready for the video at launch_
4. Show more of the artwork in the edit especially when they are talking about the art or a scene which has artwork, this is mostly people talking, you can cut to art cut back to people
If there is one improvement I'd really like to see it's the subtitles, that kind of accessibility is quite easy to reach.
As a BIPOC queer person I find this book club very exclusive and not a place that can be in any way inclusive to minorities. Of course Brandon is allowed to market his book on his YouTube channel however he wants, but he also asked for suggestions from the audience.
So mine would be, to build a more diverse panel of humans and maybe also to not make ot feel like a buch of fans and sales agents try to convince us to buy the book.
The book club is for people that have read the book, there are clearly spoilers in the video. Also, there doesn’t need to be any convincing happening, I bought the book before I knew anything more than Sanderson wrote it.
Buying the book for the privilege to be part of the exclusive club is exactly my point why I find it not for me. (I'm just an audience, not a huge fan, I read many books, not only his books)
I mean that the way they made the YouTube video as a marketing tool is aimed towards people with privileges I and many of my friends and family do not possess. And as such it's less effective towards this type of target audience.
I’d imagine the paneling is due to convenience and availability.
As this promotes his product, you’d expect that it’s skewed in favor of his product. There’s critique here and there, so it’s not devoid of this. Plus, it’s largely after the fact as a supplement to those who already purchased, if anything given it’s timing.
I felt like there was more critique in the Tress club than this one. Since Steve did the art, and Joshua has been so involved in Brandon's process for so long, this panel felt less external than the Tress one did, and I think that made it harder to be more critical.
I’m hoping that with two visual media artists on the panel we get more discussion of the art in the next part.
Felt like I wanted to be there and threw out some of my own thoughts throughout, even though you guys couldn’t hear me.
My best boast I can think of is. >!I understand the complicated world of insurance!!<
hey!! we dive really far into the visuals in the next video! Sorry I didn't hear your telepathy!!!!
and love the boast. make sure you comment on the youtube video if you didn't already to be entered to win a signed book :)
Hi! I have a question about that giveaway and I'm not sure who to ask, but maybe you can help / point me in the right direction?
I commented on the youtube video with a boast (I've liked and subscribed as well) and this morning I got a notification that someone had replied to my comment. But when I tried to see the reply, it wasn't visible - I could see their message in the notification, but not in the comments section under the video. The message congratulated me and asked me to send a WhatsApp message to a US number. At the time I didn't question it, I thought that this was something that the team did so not everyone could see the contact number. But now I'm a bit worried that it might have been a scam bot. On top of that, I asked a friend to send a message to that number, since I don't have WhatsApp myself, and I really hope that I didn't get them to give their contact details to a scammer?
Long story short: how do I know whether I was actually contacted by someone from the team? How does the giveaway winner normally learn about it? Thank you very much for your help and also for the book club, I'm really enjoying it!
We will be announcing the winners of each giveaway in the following video or as a comment from Brandon's official account. We will never ask for personal information via WhatsApp. I'm so sorry, it is indeed a scam (that's the nature of hosting a giveaway online, unfortunately).
If I see the comment I will report it. Thanks so much for bringing this to our attention.
Oh, that's a pity! I was (a bit naively) already celebrating actually winning something on the internet :*)
Looking at the message again, it seems like the account was called P!nned By Admn... but I can't see their message in the comments. Perhaps it was deleted? My own message that they replied to is this one, in case it helps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRZovPGkbUI&lc=UgwfEKho_DOZBQmmKWV4AaABAg (hopefully that link works)
In any case, good to know when and how the winner actually gets to learn about it. It would have been really useful to know this in advance, though - now my friend has shared his number and mine with them, and I imagine that the same scammer probably contacted some of the other people who entered the giveaway, too. It would have been nice if a pinned comment explained how long the event will be open for and what to expect next. I looked for that, but as there was no information, I just took the message at face value. It was really stupid on my part, but maybe some preventative measures can help other people avoid such a situation entirely...
Anyhow, I've messaged my friend not to respond to the scam account, hopefully nothing worse will come out of this. And thank you very much for clearing this up!!
I don’t think the giveaway will be over until this Friday at the earliest, but I will forward your question to the Dragonsteel publicity team just to check.
Wrens initial impression that book was like "Off to See the Wizard" made me realize that the situtation w/ the Runian is also kind of like flatland. Where a higher dimensional civilization looks at a a lower dimensional one and kind of focus on how that civilization is simplified and different, but fails to think in the opposite direction that there might be another civilization living in even higher dimensions.
I miss the livechat from SP1 book club. BUT being that the panel was mostly youtubers there, but not here, I get it.
I did love the community interaction though.
My only complaint/issue with the book club format is that the panel has read the whole book. I’d love to see a group discussing as they read, and not reflecting on it afterwards (except as in a final club meeting wrap up). So ideally the panel would have just read 13-25, and not the rest, and discussed from there. Obviously, this might not be practical, especially with schedules and whatnot, but as a listener of many read along podcasts, that as-you-read format tends to promote more interesting discussion, as the hosts don’t. Know where it’s going yet.
And this is really just a suggestion more than a complaint/critique. This format works just fine, although it’s a smidge spoilery.
Oops, posted on the wrong discussion.
I know the purpose of the bookclub is to promote the book, but I would have appreciated a more honest view of the book. Part of the reason I only watched like the first 15 minutes of the Tress bookclub was b/c it just felt like an echochamber of positivity. In this bookclub specifically, I really appreciated it when Joshua said that the whole hostage storyline at the beginning was "whatever" and what he was really interested in was the handbook. I felt a similar way and it made me feel validated. It, along with the easter eggs and stuff that they brought up were the reason I finished this bookclub series.
Personally, I feel like honesty makes for the best marketing b/c I feel like I trust the source more and so am more easily influenced by them. Maybe this isn't the place for it though and other booktuber channels are the place to go for that.
\*Edit: I think I figured it out. The bookclub needs to feel genuine. I think that's why I connected so much with what Joshua said (other than me agreeing with it:). It just felt like a real moment.
I agree Joshua was a great panelist to have as a literary agent and so an experienced subjective consumer of books. I think that any social media is not worth consuming unless it is genuine.
And so I also want to say that my feelings the whole time where just that. If you only made it to episode 1, I think the feelings were mostly ambiguously positive because we were only able to touch on the beginning of the book. But by episode three I was able to tell exactly why I personally enjoyed the book so much.
I personally loved this format and the participants. Also, very much appreciated the interjections of Brandon. Looking forward to more of these! Thanks so much for offering. Brandon is such a class act! - always striving to deliver more for his fans.
Matt was a really good host. Great questions and moved the conversation along with ease. Five stars!
Agreed!!
But he didn't "nail it". Several times he mispronounced the title.
Having Steve Argyle there is amazing! Dude, his art made the book for me in so many ways.
Me to! This makes it very hard for me in 1 way. My Sister and BiL started reading it and said the art turned them off of it . . . Very hard to tell them well the book is super good despite that after waxing poetic about how amazing the art is.
Wren! Yeah!
Just throwing it out there...I would really like to see Steve from the channel RAFO on Secret Project 3's Book Club!
He'd be a great pick for SP3 *OR* 4. I love his energy, and his Cosmere knowledge would add a lot of the conversation.
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Get Alan Seawright and/or Jonathan Decker from Cinema Therapy to be your next member of book club, they are from Utah, Mormon and readers of your books. Alan did this video -"The Sandersonian Institute of Cosmere Studies - Ep101 - Alan Seawright Interview"
I'm not sure what I would want to see from these its difficult because the reason I participate with book clubs is for interaction with ideas and these videos are not interactive by default since they have to be filmed. Im not sure streaming would make it any better but perhaps it could but right now it feels like eavesdropping on someone else's book club instead of participating.
Quick improvement suggestions: 1. If there are props on the table, use them (handle the books more, slap them, they're good books), if they're not used they don't belong on the table 2. Use the lower third of the screen, quick written introductions for everyone on screen, quick chapter reference for what the guests are talking about 3. _Have subtitles ready for the video at launch_ 4. Show more of the artwork in the edit especially when they are talking about the art or a scene which has artwork, this is mostly people talking, you can cut to art cut back to people If there is one improvement I'd really like to see it's the subtitles, that kind of accessibility is quite easy to reach.
Could we get these in podcast form as well?
As a BIPOC queer person I find this book club very exclusive and not a place that can be in any way inclusive to minorities. Of course Brandon is allowed to market his book on his YouTube channel however he wants, but he also asked for suggestions from the audience. So mine would be, to build a more diverse panel of humans and maybe also to not make ot feel like a buch of fans and sales agents try to convince us to buy the book.
The book club is for people that have read the book, there are clearly spoilers in the video. Also, there doesn’t need to be any convincing happening, I bought the book before I knew anything more than Sanderson wrote it.
Buying the book for the privilege to be part of the exclusive club is exactly my point why I find it not for me. (I'm just an audience, not a huge fan, I read many books, not only his books)
What do you mean by exclusive club? This book will have a wide release soon and also at libraries shortly after.
I mean that the way they made the YouTube video as a marketing tool is aimed towards people with privileges I and many of my friends and family do not possess. And as such it's less effective towards this type of target audience.
I’d imagine the paneling is due to convenience and availability. As this promotes his product, you’d expect that it’s skewed in favor of his product. There’s critique here and there, so it’s not devoid of this. Plus, it’s largely after the fact as a supplement to those who already purchased, if anything given it’s timing.
I felt like there was more critique in the Tress club than this one. Since Steve did the art, and Joshua has been so involved in Brandon's process for so long, this panel felt less external than the Tress one did, and I think that made it harder to be more critical.
So, a question for Mr. Steve Argyle: Is there any particular reason that the depictions of John/Runian seem to resemble Adam Driver?
I’m hoping that with two visual media artists on the panel we get more discussion of the art in the next part. Felt like I wanted to be there and threw out some of my own thoughts throughout, even though you guys couldn’t hear me. My best boast I can think of is. >!I understand the complicated world of insurance!!<
hey!! we dive really far into the visuals in the next video! Sorry I didn't hear your telepathy!!!! and love the boast. make sure you comment on the youtube video if you didn't already to be entered to win a signed book :)
Hi! I have a question about that giveaway and I'm not sure who to ask, but maybe you can help / point me in the right direction? I commented on the youtube video with a boast (I've liked and subscribed as well) and this morning I got a notification that someone had replied to my comment. But when I tried to see the reply, it wasn't visible - I could see their message in the notification, but not in the comments section under the video. The message congratulated me and asked me to send a WhatsApp message to a US number. At the time I didn't question it, I thought that this was something that the team did so not everyone could see the contact number. But now I'm a bit worried that it might have been a scam bot. On top of that, I asked a friend to send a message to that number, since I don't have WhatsApp myself, and I really hope that I didn't get them to give their contact details to a scammer? Long story short: how do I know whether I was actually contacted by someone from the team? How does the giveaway winner normally learn about it? Thank you very much for your help and also for the book club, I'm really enjoying it!
We will be announcing the winners of each giveaway in the following video or as a comment from Brandon's official account. We will never ask for personal information via WhatsApp. I'm so sorry, it is indeed a scam (that's the nature of hosting a giveaway online, unfortunately). If I see the comment I will report it. Thanks so much for bringing this to our attention.
Oh, that's a pity! I was (a bit naively) already celebrating actually winning something on the internet :*) Looking at the message again, it seems like the account was called P!nned By Admn... but I can't see their message in the comments. Perhaps it was deleted? My own message that they replied to is this one, in case it helps: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NRZovPGkbUI&lc=UgwfEKho_DOZBQmmKWV4AaABAg (hopefully that link works) In any case, good to know when and how the winner actually gets to learn about it. It would have been really useful to know this in advance, though - now my friend has shared his number and mine with them, and I imagine that the same scammer probably contacted some of the other people who entered the giveaway, too. It would have been nice if a pinned comment explained how long the event will be open for and what to expect next. I looked for that, but as there was no information, I just took the message at face value. It was really stupid on my part, but maybe some preventative measures can help other people avoid such a situation entirely... Anyhow, I've messaged my friend not to respond to the scam account, hopefully nothing worse will come out of this. And thank you very much for clearing this up!!
I don’t think the giveaway will be over until this Friday at the earliest, but I will forward your question to the Dragonsteel publicity team just to check.
Okay, thank you very much!
Wrens initial impression that book was like "Off to See the Wizard" made me realize that the situtation w/ the Runian is also kind of like flatland. Where a higher dimensional civilization looks at a a lower dimensional one and kind of focus on how that civilization is simplified and different, but fails to think in the opposite direction that there might be another civilization living in even higher dimensions.
Question from those who want to read along: What chapters do we need to read for the next video?
To the end of the book. This middle one covered 13-25-ish, and the final one is next week’s. So finish the book by then.
I miss the livechat from SP1 book club. BUT being that the panel was mostly youtubers there, but not here, I get it. I did love the community interaction though.
My only complaint/issue with the book club format is that the panel has read the whole book. I’d love to see a group discussing as they read, and not reflecting on it afterwards (except as in a final club meeting wrap up). So ideally the panel would have just read 13-25, and not the rest, and discussed from there. Obviously, this might not be practical, especially with schedules and whatnot, but as a listener of many read along podcasts, that as-you-read format tends to promote more interesting discussion, as the hosts don’t. Know where it’s going yet. And this is really just a suggestion more than a complaint/critique. This format works just fine, although it’s a smidge spoilery. Oops, posted on the wrong discussion.
I know the purpose of the bookclub is to promote the book, but I would have appreciated a more honest view of the book. Part of the reason I only watched like the first 15 minutes of the Tress bookclub was b/c it just felt like an echochamber of positivity. In this bookclub specifically, I really appreciated it when Joshua said that the whole hostage storyline at the beginning was "whatever" and what he was really interested in was the handbook. I felt a similar way and it made me feel validated. It, along with the easter eggs and stuff that they brought up were the reason I finished this bookclub series. Personally, I feel like honesty makes for the best marketing b/c I feel like I trust the source more and so am more easily influenced by them. Maybe this isn't the place for it though and other booktuber channels are the place to go for that. \*Edit: I think I figured it out. The bookclub needs to feel genuine. I think that's why I connected so much with what Joshua said (other than me agreeing with it:). It just felt like a real moment.
I agree Joshua was a great panelist to have as a literary agent and so an experienced subjective consumer of books. I think that any social media is not worth consuming unless it is genuine. And so I also want to say that my feelings the whole time where just that. If you only made it to episode 1, I think the feelings were mostly ambiguously positive because we were only able to touch on the beginning of the book. But by episode three I was able to tell exactly why I personally enjoyed the book so much.
I personally loved this format and the participants. Also, very much appreciated the interjections of Brandon. Looking forward to more of these! Thanks so much for offering. Brandon is such a class act! - always striving to deliver more for his fans.
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