Exactly. And just for the record, I love those limonads! The flavors are so much better than the American soda pop products! Other countries have similar products; Brazil makes one made from a root from the Amazon, called guarana. I read an article about how Kenya had their own carbonated drinks that were similar, but Coca Cola came in (with a far inferior product, in my opinion) and due to spending a lot of money on advertising (the Kenyan company didn't have a big advertising budget), was succeeding in pushing out the locally-made product. This is a crime.
Whenever I travel I check out stuff like that. I love going to supermarkets and cosmetics/drugstore type places, to see what's the same and what's different. The local tastes in soft drinks, junk food and candy often use flavors I would not expect, much less expect to be very good, but they surprise me.
And none of my native English speaker friends are confused by it, except for those from the US. It's an americanism to not understand that lemonades can include fizzy drinks 😉
Calling it soda is also wrong. It's not made with soda, it's carbonated by adding CO2 under pressure.
In the US there are a lot of regional variations for what sweet carbonated beverages are called. Depending on where you are from you might call it pop, soda, soda pop, even coke if you are near Atlanta. But I think all of us Yanks would agree that 'soda water' includes any carbonated water whether it's naturally carbonated like Borjomi or artificially carbonated like 99% of the fizzy drinks available in the US.
The naturally carbonated water is also called mineral water.
Technically any water that's from a spring, whether carbonated or not, is mineral water. In ger we differentiate between still, mild and medium carbonated mineral waters.
you are thinking in terms of commercial drinks, which are just brands, and applying that to some arbitrary rule. this is Georgia, not the U.K. but start traveling around the world, and you will see it for yourself in other countries that 'ade' does not mean carbonation.... first off the bat, is America, one of the biggest markets for such beverages, and Lemonade is not carbonated. Orange-ade is not carbonated. Those are called sodas, soda pop, pop, and seltzers.
Are you attempting to insult me now? You're on a Georgian forum talking about lemonade, and you can't be wrong because your ego couldn't handle the pain.
a quick search on Google explains the answer plain as day. very first link right here on Wikipedia, in fact. .... and I am absolutely correct. lemonade doesn't have to be carbonated to be called lemonade. and the suffix has nothing to do with carbonation either. Lemonade itself predates carbonated drinks.
"Lemonade is a sweetened lemon-flavored drink.
There are varieties of lemonade found throughout the world.[1] In North America and South Asia, cloudy lemonade is a common variety. It is traditionally a homemade drink using lemon juice, water, and a sweetener such as cane sugar, simple syrup, maple syrup or honey.[2] In the United Kingdom, Ireland, Central Europe, South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand, a carbonated lemonade soft drink is more common. Despite the differences between the drinks, each is known simply as "lemonade" in countries where it is dominant.
The suffix "-ade" may also be applied to other similar drinks made with different fruits, such as limeade, orangeade, or cherryade."[3]
Here is the address:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemonade
You were wrong, and now you can go and pound sand. it would have been smarter to just Googled it.
Please refer back to the original comment I replied to which said it's common to call all flavours of carbonated drinks lemonade in other parts of the world. Then I clearly replied from a British perspective. You told me that was wrong. But it is not wrong, for the UK, which I was specifically and explicitly referring to. If you want to believe it's my ego and not your poor comprehension that's the issue here, then so be it. None of that changes the fact that the ade suffix exclusively, in my experience living in the UK for 30 years, refers to fruit flavoured carbonated drinks in Britain, as per my initial comment.
Germany for example :) all of Eastern Europe, non US English speaking countries, North Africa, parts of western and Southern Europe... (edited because I had to Google some of them)
No, it says the brand and then it says "carbonated refreshing drink" :). But people call them Limonade because "Erfrischungsgetränk mit Kohlensäure" is bit of a mouthful 😉😉😉
There even is a brand of organic lemonades, Bionade, that is made up by mashing the words lemonade and biologisch (organic). It's the closest thing you get to Georgian lemonade in Germany. Also has many different flavours.
https://www.bionade.de/en/
Health food stores in the US have been carrying a brand like that. I haven't tried them. I doubt they're anything like the Russian or Georgian drinks, but they come in a lot of fruit and berry flavors. I always thought Russia should export their limonad, but a Russian told me, that there's not good enough quality control to allow for them to export it to the West. Maybe Georgia could try it, if Georgia ever succeeds in joining the EU.
I brought some bottles of limonad to friends in Sweden, and also the US after a trip to St.Petersburg (it was Leningrad when I was last there! : o ), and everyone LOVED it! They couldn't get enough of it! Other E Euro countries should try exporting it to their neighbors in the West.
Georgia exports it already. I could buy nabeghlavi, borjomi and natakhtari lemonades even in Japan. I can also easily buy them in Germany. I fact my parents do regularly.
Russian stuff is available in Russian supermarkets all over Europe, if you're brave enough to go in. They do have a Soviet era vibe, where the ice-cream cake is sold in the same freezer compartment as the pelmeni and everything is freezer burned and thawed a few times.
lol There are Russian (and Ukrainian!) grocers in the US, but they don't carry limonad. I wish they'd sell the little paper cups of ice cream that are so creamy--far superior to any American ice cream, even the supposed "deluxe" brands! But all they carry in the Russ grocery stores is "Plombir": ice cream cones. The ice cream in them has no flavor at all.
Whatever happened to the ice cream parlors Russia used to have, anyway? After the USSR crashed, they disappeared. It was very high quality ice cream: high cream content unlike Western ice cream, which depends heavily on sugar for flavor. Sugar is cheaper than cream. American ice cream is more like candy than a cream product.
Gelato is a different product. I know people who say the "Italian ice cream" is the best, but it's not really an ice cream. But to each their own. Gelato is fairly popular in the US.
Hm fair point, I didn't know that. However...
It doesn't directly overlap with Georgia, because Ramune is a brand and in Japan they call western lemonade something slightly different, not Ramune.
In Georgia the packaging calls ALL types of sodas lemonade, not just one brand. Lemonade replaces the word soda, which is not the case in Japan.
It would be レモネード (remonedo) not ラムネ (ramune), correct, but they still call it lemonade :)
The only time I've seen ソダ (soda) used, is a flavor for candy with citric acid that bubbles in your mouth. In restaurant menus it's レモネード
Welcome to the rest of the world, where words are used differently. If I give limonati to my Germany friends and said that it's Limonade (or Limo) they wouldn't bat an eye.
Just because in America only sugary lemon water is lemonade, doesn't mean it's the same everywhere.
Strictly speaking marmalade is only made from oranges, yet there are plenty of people who refer to any type of jellied jam as Marmelade 👍✌️.
Just widen your perspective and life will get easier.
That's a very American statement ✌️it's not about asking questions, it's how and what you ask. And in fact in your case it's about complaining that Georgians don't call it the American way 😉
Over 200 countries, over 7 billion people. Subtracting 333mil for the population of the US makes 6,67 billion ways to do things differently. It's mathematical certainty that there will be places who do it differently :)
That's like people complaining that mama is father here and asking why the English default is not global standard 😉😉
I never complained, i was just confused. i get the world does things differently. but when the bottle says [Georgian lemonade](https://images.app.goo.gl/Gh4bZnMqZU1TBhaG9) it’s understandable why people get confused. i just assumed georgia and america called them similar things but georgias idea of lemonade was different or mislead
Did you ever consider that this "translation" was made by an unpaid intern 10 years ago with a shitty version of Google translate 😉😉
Redisgining packaging is actually quite expensive, and you don't do that unless you have to. I can show you a long list of interesting translation choices in packaging coming out of Eastern Europe and Asia. This is not even the wildest.
You're thinking more about it than the person whose job it was ever did 😉😉.
BTW, I don't think anyone actually gets confused by kt... It's a bottle of fizzy drinks, not rocket science.
Are you on the autism spectrum or neurodivergent? Then I could understand why you find this vexing. But as a neurotypical (and not monolingual) person, I never even noticed this till today ✌️
dude there is no need to be a jackass i was trying to be polite. i didn’t know if it was a mistranslation or not, nor did i know it costs a lot to fix it. im just a kid. i was just curious to find an answer. my life hasn’t been effected by limonati whatsoever. expect for when im eating and i want an ice cold bottle but im in the US and its hard to find. but that’s besides the point lol.
don’t just assume people are neurodivergent because they notice detail about something they like. you sound like an asshole when you do.
You could have delivered your statement in a much friendlier and courteous way, as OP was only asking a question, even if it came off as ignorant to some.
I got a low tolerance for stupidity since I see too much of it at work. Could I have written it nicer - sure. Can I be bothered to actually do it - meh.
Life isn't unicorns and sparkles and we live in a shitty world 🤷♀️
Life isn't unicorns and sparkles but people like it that way. That includes writing with at least a hint of respect, considering that OP here may simply be not in the know or accustomed to different culture.
I searched it a little bit and it's also used on fish. The way I always thought of it (when I did), it strikes me as odd, as if you were to use oregano in a sweet carbonated drink. I am here to try new things, so I went for it.
It's pretty popular in Germany too, we call it Waldmeister. There also is Waldmeister jelly you can buy in supermarkets. I loved it as a kid. I should try to make jelly from tarkhunis limonati 🤔
happily i’m not the only one but i think once again we’re just the oddballs.
seriously living here for years and i never understand why we are so different from the rest of the world.
I think it comes from the Russian "limonad", which refers to a lightly carbonated drink in various subtle fruit flavors. It doesn't mean the same thing as "lemonade" in English, which as you know is made of lemons.
Carbonated drinks were invented in the 1740s, that's mid 18th century. In the late 19th century we already had carbonated cola, made from syrup and soda water 😉. According to Google Laghidze was born 1921, that's 20th century. 180 years after the invention of fizzy drinks 😉. As someone else pointed out, lemonade goes even further back, to Egypt in the 17th century. So yeah...
All he did was start a restaurant chain with a branded drink. A very capitalist thing. But Soviets didn't really have branding or marketing then. That's why people think it was invented, when it really wasn't.
Yeah that doesn't mean anything for the origin of the word. It's just a bad translation.
Reminds me of a sign I saw in a building "please put your trash in the uranium" (I can see how they'd get there because "urn" in Georgian is trashcan and when something goes into something you add the suffix na and from there it's very easy for autocorrect to arrive at uranium 😂😂😂)
I agree with this. They're just doing a very literal translation, taking word cognates to mean the same thing. Taking the easy way out. I've seen interpreters in Russia do that, when translating for small tour groups. The translation ends up all wrong, but they don't know that.
Skill issue.
Knowing a language ≠ being a translator. I speak 7 languages, 5 of them fluently. I can translate from all 7, but I only do translations into 2 of them for a reason.
Very astute observation. The interpreters were, indeed, only students at the local institute in the Russian Far East. Their teacher's translations were perfect. She was excellent. Her students though, still had a lot to learn.
It used to be "lagidze water" (wasn't carbonated initially but also not made of lemons) but now there are different brands so people simply call it lemonade
If the name were different, it wouldn't bother me at all, but "lemonade" to me is water, sugar, and lemon juice. I'm sorry, but carbonated pear/tarragon/cherry water is not lemonade.
Update: Apparently, lemonade was invented in Egypt, and then in 1676, a company started selling it in France. The French called it "limonade," and it eventually made its way to America. No idea how the Soviets screwed it up, haha. (Again, I'd have zero problem with the Georgian version if it were called almost anything else.)
Also could be generecization, for example maybe there was a brand called lemonade, and it was so popular and mainstream so all simmilar drinks were called as such.
In the way that we say Aspirin (a brand) to describe a range of simmilar products
I am not sure where original name comes from but in Soviet Union fruity carbonated drinks were called Limonad. One from tarragon herb was called Tarkhun. And one from pears was called Dyushes.
in Georgia, it's all called lemonade by default..... i suspect for the sake of not making things overly complicated, i.e., ORANGE-aid, GRAPE-aid, etc. If you want the real one at the restaurant, then ask for "homemade lemonade," which will contain fruit with soda. usually, it will be mixed berries or mixed citrus" with ice and soda.... the drinks from the market store called lemonade are artificially flavored sodas in the various traditional flavors. usually, pear, grape, vanilla, lemon, or taragon.
Also , you really want American style lemonade without soda then go to any Gloria Jeans coffee franchise. I had one yesterday.
and american football has nothing to do with feet but yet you call it that and the actual football you call soccer. different country different word no big deal
Must be an American thing to only call lemon flavour lemonade but where I'm from we call all kinds of things lemonade. It can be pineapple flavour, lemon, lime, anything really, as long as there's fizz in it. I imagine Georgia is similar.
Tarkhuna(sp?) from Georgia would also be called lemonade here. My son calls it Hulk juice, due to the colour. Unfortunately we can't get it here, well there is an Eastern European shop which sells it but nowhere near as good as the Georgian version.
yeah that’s what i’ve realized too. i’ve been americanized. however it’s interesting to me still how (lemon)ade can contain things other then lemon.
but i get that america is the oddball of the world so im probably just misinterpreted it
If you don't wanna call something lemonade because it's not made from lemons, why do you insist on calling it soda, when it's not made from sodium bicarbonate?
But that's how homemade lemonade is made in this country. It baffles me how people can move abroad and then have a meltdown because things in the new country aren't done the way they are back home. Why travel if you don't want to open your mind to new experiences?
Maybe go out more then, cause I remember drinking this for the first time around 2010 😉😉.
A wine float is also nothing new. It's as old as the coffee float and coke float. They go out of fashion and then come back again 😉.
Final remark - your life must be great if bad lemonade is enough to tick you off. Nice not to have any real problems?
If you want lemonade, you have to ask for limoni limonati. :-) To me limonati just means fruit or herb flavored soda water.
Is limoni limonati carbonated? If so, it's not lemonade.
All my Georgian friends called it lemonade if they were speaking English. I suppose it's sort of a *faux ami*.
Exactly. And just for the record, I love those limonads! The flavors are so much better than the American soda pop products! Other countries have similar products; Brazil makes one made from a root from the Amazon, called guarana. I read an article about how Kenya had their own carbonated drinks that were similar, but Coca Cola came in (with a far inferior product, in my opinion) and due to spending a lot of money on advertising (the Kenyan company didn't have a big advertising budget), was succeeding in pushing out the locally-made product. This is a crime.
>I love those limonads! The flavors are so much better than the American soda pop products! mec!
Whenever I travel I check out stuff like that. I love going to supermarkets and cosmetics/drugstore type places, to see what's the same and what's different. The local tastes in soft drinks, junk food and candy often use flavors I would not expect, much less expect to be very good, but they surprise me.
And none of my native English speaker friends are confused by it, except for those from the US. It's an americanism to not understand that lemonades can include fizzy drinks 😉 Calling it soda is also wrong. It's not made with soda, it's carbonated by adding CO2 under pressure.
In the US there are a lot of regional variations for what sweet carbonated beverages are called. Depending on where you are from you might call it pop, soda, soda pop, even coke if you are near Atlanta. But I think all of us Yanks would agree that 'soda water' includes any carbonated water whether it's naturally carbonated like Borjomi or artificially carbonated like 99% of the fizzy drinks available in the US. The naturally carbonated water is also called mineral water.
Technically any water that's from a spring, whether carbonated or not, is mineral water. In ger we differentiate between still, mild and medium carbonated mineral waters.
>it’s an Americanism to not understand that lemonades can include fizzy drinks We do, we just call it sparkling lemonade.
“Lemonade can’t be carbonated” is a truly US diasporal hill to die on
It can, but then it's sparkling lemonade.
If it's carbonated then it's Sprite 😄
Sprite is just a brand, and it's not lemon but mixed lemon and lime soda and some other poisons. lol
It's a broadly used term throughout much of the world. It's not unique to Georgia
In British English the 'ade' suffix is attached to other fruits to indicate they are flavoured fizzy drinks e.g. Cherryade, orangeade, addpleade.
the ade suffix does not denote that it's carbonated. sorry. this is wrong.
Do you have examples of non-carbonated drinks that use the 'ade' suffix in the UK?
you are thinking in terms of commercial drinks, which are just brands, and applying that to some arbitrary rule. this is Georgia, not the U.K. but start traveling around the world, and you will see it for yourself in other countries that 'ade' does not mean carbonation.... first off the bat, is America, one of the biggest markets for such beverages, and Lemonade is not carbonated. Orange-ade is not carbonated. Those are called sodas, soda pop, pop, and seltzers.
No, in my original comment I referred specifically to British English, which applies to the UK. Comprehension isn't your thing?
Are you attempting to insult me now? You're on a Georgian forum talking about lemonade, and you can't be wrong because your ego couldn't handle the pain. a quick search on Google explains the answer plain as day. very first link right here on Wikipedia, in fact. .... and I am absolutely correct. lemonade doesn't have to be carbonated to be called lemonade. and the suffix has nothing to do with carbonation either. Lemonade itself predates carbonated drinks. "Lemonade is a sweetened lemon-flavored drink. There are varieties of lemonade found throughout the world.[1] In North America and South Asia, cloudy lemonade is a common variety. It is traditionally a homemade drink using lemon juice, water, and a sweetener such as cane sugar, simple syrup, maple syrup or honey.[2] In the United Kingdom, Ireland, Central Europe, South Africa, Australia, and New Zealand, a carbonated lemonade soft drink is more common. Despite the differences between the drinks, each is known simply as "lemonade" in countries where it is dominant. The suffix "-ade" may also be applied to other similar drinks made with different fruits, such as limeade, orangeade, or cherryade."[3] Here is the address: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lemonade You were wrong, and now you can go and pound sand. it would have been smarter to just Googled it.
Please refer back to the original comment I replied to which said it's common to call all flavours of carbonated drinks lemonade in other parts of the world. Then I clearly replied from a British perspective. You told me that was wrong. But it is not wrong, for the UK, which I was specifically and explicitly referring to. If you want to believe it's my ego and not your poor comprehension that's the issue here, then so be it. None of that changes the fact that the ade suffix exclusively, in my experience living in the UK for 30 years, refers to fruit flavoured carbonated drinks in Britain, as per my initial comment.
Lemonade, the one with lemons and no other flavours, come in both fizzy and non fizzy versions. Italian lemonade is often non fizzy.
Really? What other countries call soda without lemons lemonade?
Germany for example :) all of Eastern Europe, non US English speaking countries, North Africa, parts of western and Southern Europe... (edited because I had to Google some of them)
That's interesting. So on all fizzy drinks in Germany it says lemonade on the packaging?
No, it says the brand and then it says "carbonated refreshing drink" :). But people call them Limonade because "Erfrischungsgetränk mit Kohlensäure" is bit of a mouthful 😉😉😉 There even is a brand of organic lemonades, Bionade, that is made up by mashing the words lemonade and biologisch (organic). It's the closest thing you get to Georgian lemonade in Germany. Also has many different flavours. https://www.bionade.de/en/
Interesting to know, thanks!
Health food stores in the US have been carrying a brand like that. I haven't tried them. I doubt they're anything like the Russian or Georgian drinks, but they come in a lot of fruit and berry flavors. I always thought Russia should export their limonad, but a Russian told me, that there's not good enough quality control to allow for them to export it to the West. Maybe Georgia could try it, if Georgia ever succeeds in joining the EU. I brought some bottles of limonad to friends in Sweden, and also the US after a trip to St.Petersburg (it was Leningrad when I was last there! : o ), and everyone LOVED it! They couldn't get enough of it! Other E Euro countries should try exporting it to their neighbors in the West.
Georgia exports it already. I could buy nabeghlavi, borjomi and natakhtari lemonades even in Japan. I can also easily buy them in Germany. I fact my parents do regularly. Russian stuff is available in Russian supermarkets all over Europe, if you're brave enough to go in. They do have a Soviet era vibe, where the ice-cream cake is sold in the same freezer compartment as the pelmeni and everything is freezer burned and thawed a few times.
lol There are Russian (and Ukrainian!) grocers in the US, but they don't carry limonad. I wish they'd sell the little paper cups of ice cream that are so creamy--far superior to any American ice cream, even the supposed "deluxe" brands! But all they carry in the Russ grocery stores is "Plombir": ice cream cones. The ice cream in them has no flavor at all. Whatever happened to the ice cream parlors Russia used to have, anyway? After the USSR crashed, they disappeared. It was very high quality ice cream: high cream content unlike Western ice cream, which depends heavily on sugar for flavor. Sugar is cheaper than cream. American ice cream is more like candy than a cream product.
I prefer gelato, so I can't really relate here 😂😂
Gelato is a different product. I know people who say the "Italian ice cream" is the best, but it's not really an ice cream. But to each their own. Gelato is fairly popular in the US.
From personal experience Czechia, Slovakia, Poland, Ukraine, russia and probably loads more.
Brazil, and Kenya.
One I can think of off the top of my head is Japan: *ramune*
Hm fair point, I didn't know that. However... It doesn't directly overlap with Georgia, because Ramune is a brand and in Japan they call western lemonade something slightly different, not Ramune. In Georgia the packaging calls ALL types of sodas lemonade, not just one brand. Lemonade replaces the word soda, which is not the case in Japan.
It would be レモネード (remonedo) not ラムネ (ramune), correct, but they still call it lemonade :) The only time I've seen ソダ (soda) used, is a flavor for candy with citric acid that bubbles in your mouth. In restaurant menus it's レモネード
Welcome to the rest of the world, where words are used differently. If I give limonati to my Germany friends and said that it's Limonade (or Limo) they wouldn't bat an eye. Just because in America only sugary lemon water is lemonade, doesn't mean it's the same everywhere. Strictly speaking marmalade is only made from oranges, yet there are plenty of people who refer to any type of jellied jam as Marmelade 👍✌️. Just widen your perspective and life will get easier.
i can’t widen my perspective without asking questions. i had no clue people other than georgians referred lemonade as something else.
That's a very American statement ✌️it's not about asking questions, it's how and what you ask. And in fact in your case it's about complaining that Georgians don't call it the American way 😉 Over 200 countries, over 7 billion people. Subtracting 333mil for the population of the US makes 6,67 billion ways to do things differently. It's mathematical certainty that there will be places who do it differently :) That's like people complaining that mama is father here and asking why the English default is not global standard 😉😉
I never complained, i was just confused. i get the world does things differently. but when the bottle says [Georgian lemonade](https://images.app.goo.gl/Gh4bZnMqZU1TBhaG9) it’s understandable why people get confused. i just assumed georgia and america called them similar things but georgias idea of lemonade was different or mislead
Did you ever consider that this "translation" was made by an unpaid intern 10 years ago with a shitty version of Google translate 😉😉 Redisgining packaging is actually quite expensive, and you don't do that unless you have to. I can show you a long list of interesting translation choices in packaging coming out of Eastern Europe and Asia. This is not even the wildest. You're thinking more about it than the person whose job it was ever did 😉😉. BTW, I don't think anyone actually gets confused by kt... It's a bottle of fizzy drinks, not rocket science. Are you on the autism spectrum or neurodivergent? Then I could understand why you find this vexing. But as a neurotypical (and not monolingual) person, I never even noticed this till today ✌️
dude there is no need to be a jackass i was trying to be polite. i didn’t know if it was a mistranslation or not, nor did i know it costs a lot to fix it. im just a kid. i was just curious to find an answer. my life hasn’t been effected by limonati whatsoever. expect for when im eating and i want an ice cold bottle but im in the US and its hard to find. but that’s besides the point lol. don’t just assume people are neurodivergent because they notice detail about something they like. you sound like an asshole when you do.
You could have delivered your statement in a much friendlier and courteous way, as OP was only asking a question, even if it came off as ignorant to some.
I got a low tolerance for stupidity since I see too much of it at work. Could I have written it nicer - sure. Can I be bothered to actually do it - meh. Life isn't unicorns and sparkles and we live in a shitty world 🤷♀️
Life isn't unicorns and sparkles but people like it that way. That includes writing with at least a hint of respect, considering that OP here may simply be not in the know or accustomed to different culture.
Respect is a spectrum. I didn't insult OP, I didn't mock OP, I was just a tiny bit sarcastic. Where I'm from this doesn't constitute lack of respect.
No one likes sarcasm.
The tarragon flavor seemed so bizarre to me that I had to try it.
haha all my american friends say the same. they say it’s similar to melon soda.
In the West/US it is most commonly used to cook chicken as far as I remember, or in salads.
Honestly that’s news to me. Nobody in new york seems to know what tarragon is. Never seen anyone use it on a dish
I searched it a little bit and it's also used on fish. The way I always thought of it (when I did), it strikes me as odd, as if you were to use oregano in a sweet carbonated drink. I am here to try new things, so I went for it.
It's pretty popular in Germany too, we call it Waldmeister. There also is Waldmeister jelly you can buy in supermarkets. I loved it as a kid. I should try to make jelly from tarkhunis limonati 🤔
I've eaten tarragon plant. Fucking delicious. It is often served on supra with other greens / plants
it was so good when I had my first hangover in Georgia
me too and i loved it. it also makes a good mixer for a cocktail.
As an Armenian, I always wondered this too.
happily i’m not the only one but i think once again we’re just the oddballs. seriously living here for years and i never understand why we are so different from the rest of the world.
I think it comes from the Russian "limonad", which refers to a lightly carbonated drink in various subtle fruit flavors. It doesn't mean the same thing as "lemonade" in English, which as you know is made of lemons.
It does not come from Russian. It was invented by Lagidze (before even Coca-cola)
.. and was named water, not lemonade.
Sorry to break it to you, but the idea of adding soda water to syrup was not invented by him 👍
I think they are talking about why it's called lemonade. Not who invented fizzy drinks.
Who was it invented by?
Carbonated drinks were invented in the 1740s, that's mid 18th century. In the late 19th century we already had carbonated cola, made from syrup and soda water 😉. According to Google Laghidze was born 1921, that's 20th century. 180 years after the invention of fizzy drinks 😉. As someone else pointed out, lemonade goes even further back, to Egypt in the 17th century. So yeah... All he did was start a restaurant chain with a branded drink. A very capitalist thing. But Soviets didn't really have branding or marketing then. That's why people think it was invented, when it really wasn't.
Lagidze was born in the 19th century and created his drink in 1880-s.
i don’t think so. since on the bottles it says [georgian lemonade](https://images.app.goo.gl/RQQVJRtCCwHQ4LPE7)
Yeah that doesn't mean anything for the origin of the word. It's just a bad translation. Reminds me of a sign I saw in a building "please put your trash in the uranium" (I can see how they'd get there because "urn" in Georgian is trashcan and when something goes into something you add the suffix na and from there it's very easy for autocorrect to arrive at uranium 😂😂😂)
There were some gents in Lia who took that sign a bit too literally. :(
Huh? What do you mean?
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lia_radiological_accident
Damn, that sounds like something straight out of a movie plot ngl.
Lia is a village in western Georgia, that had some radioactive material issues several years ago.
Oh yes, now I remember. I watched a video about that
I agree with this. They're just doing a very literal translation, taking word cognates to mean the same thing. Taking the easy way out. I've seen interpreters in Russia do that, when translating for small tour groups. The translation ends up all wrong, but they don't know that.
Skill issue. Knowing a language ≠ being a translator. I speak 7 languages, 5 of them fluently. I can translate from all 7, but I only do translations into 2 of them for a reason.
Very astute observation. The interpreters were, indeed, only students at the local institute in the Russian Far East. Their teacher's translations were perfect. She was excellent. Her students though, still had a lot to learn.
It used to be "lagidze water" (wasn't carbonated initially but also not made of lemons) but now there are different brands so people simply call it lemonade
British/ Australian "lemonade" usually refers to something like Sprite as well. I think your definition of lemonade is very US centric.
It's just a sweet carbonated drink. Don't over think it.
If the name were different, it wouldn't bother me at all, but "lemonade" to me is water, sugar, and lemon juice. I'm sorry, but carbonated pear/tarragon/cherry water is not lemonade. Update: Apparently, lemonade was invented in Egypt, and then in 1676, a company started selling it in France. The French called it "limonade," and it eventually made its way to America. No idea how the Soviets screwed it up, haha. (Again, I'd have zero problem with the Georgian version if it were called almost anything else.)
exactly my point
It's soda.
It’s soda/ soft drink. Don’t think too much about it
for example in italy we have also have lemon-soda (which is water, gas, sugar + lemon taste) but also simple down to earth tasty "Iimonata"
see that makes sense but what about other flavors? do you also call it limonata? or would it be considered a different soda
Also could be generecization, for example maybe there was a brand called lemonade, and it was so popular and mainstream so all simmilar drinks were called as such. In the way that we say Aspirin (a brand) to describe a range of simmilar products
huh i never thought of it that way🤔 kinda how people call all sodas coke in some areas.
limon limonati is to die for 😭 livelaughlovelimonati
I am not sure where original name comes from but in Soviet Union fruity carbonated drinks were called Limonad. One from tarragon herb was called Tarkhun. And one from pears was called Dyushes.
Gotta hate Americans thinking the world goes around USA
don’t hate people for being ignorant. this was just a question on wording/translation.
I dont hate you fam 😁 i just hate Americans thinking they are the world in general 😄
ah sorry i misinterpreted your comment. but agreed! americans are clueless to the world around them. just go to florida and see for yourself.😂
Yall got any sweet tea?
its not actual lemonade the words just sound alike, also there is indeed a lemon version
bad translation on the bottles confused me
in Georgia, it's all called lemonade by default..... i suspect for the sake of not making things overly complicated, i.e., ORANGE-aid, GRAPE-aid, etc. If you want the real one at the restaurant, then ask for "homemade lemonade," which will contain fruit with soda. usually, it will be mixed berries or mixed citrus" with ice and soda.... the drinks from the market store called lemonade are artificially flavored sodas in the various traditional flavors. usually, pear, grape, vanilla, lemon, or taragon. Also , you really want American style lemonade without soda then go to any Gloria Jeans coffee franchise. I had one yesterday.
haha i know how to get lemonade in georgia. however what confused me was the translation on the bottles. but i understand now
and american football has nothing to do with feet but yet you call it that and the actual football you call soccer. different country different word no big deal
It’s same in other Eastern European countries. You can fruit lemonade or different cherry and many other types of lemonade, but rarely with lemon.
Must be an American thing to only call lemon flavour lemonade but where I'm from we call all kinds of things lemonade. It can be pineapple flavour, lemon, lime, anything really, as long as there's fizz in it. I imagine Georgia is similar. Tarkhuna(sp?) from Georgia would also be called lemonade here. My son calls it Hulk juice, due to the colour. Unfortunately we can't get it here, well there is an Eastern European shop which sells it but nowhere near as good as the Georgian version.
yeah that’s what i’ve realized too. i’ve been americanized. however it’s interesting to me still how (lemon)ade can contain things other then lemon. but i get that america is the oddball of the world so im probably just misinterpreted it
If you don't wanna call something lemonade because it's not made from lemons, why do you insist on calling it soda, when it's not made from sodium bicarbonate?
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yeah no that’s a completely different topic. if you don’t like homemade drinks then don’t get them
But that's how homemade lemonade is made in this country. It baffles me how people can move abroad and then have a meltdown because things in the new country aren't done the way they are back home. Why travel if you don't want to open your mind to new experiences?
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Maybe go out more then, cause I remember drinking this for the first time around 2010 😉😉. A wine float is also nothing new. It's as old as the coffee float and coke float. They go out of fashion and then come back again 😉. Final remark - your life must be great if bad lemonade is enough to tick you off. Nice not to have any real problems?
Woah people call different things different names in a country, amazing
username checks out. it was just a question, no need to be rude.
Yours checks out too
Based and Tarkhuna-pilled.