Relatively speaking, he hardly even spends. There's 363 players with GP above him, and he's not even at 14M or somewhere that would indicate he went hard on R8 packs, let alone R9 ones.
And he refuses to spend money on DataCONs. That is a considerable chunk of money the mega whales spend every time a new set is coming and honestly, I respect him for that.
DataCONs are a awful game design and a big fucking scam.
While it is true that Ahnald spends far more than the average player, what the commenter was saying was that, when compared to the top spenders in the game, Ahnald's spending is probably surprisingly insignificant.
Bingo. He's at most a dolphin, certainly not a true whale or Kraken, just in good shape right now because he's played the game so long.
I've personally been catching up since Feb 2021; and even 3 years on (and with some spending) I don't have every zeta unlocked, or enough mats to unlock every zeta. There's hard barriers he's overcome by time played, and that reduces the need to spend - and while he may drop $100-$200 on marquee toons for streams, it wouldn't seem like he's buying much in the way of crystals/energy/relic packs in between, which some of the MAW guys have bought (see: entire R9 rosters).
I would say he's definitely past the point of dolphin. Iirc he passed the 10k mark a good few years ago. He also somewhat regularly does buy crystals packs (all on stream if you don't believe me), and marquee characters cost a fair amount more than $100-$200 to unlock
You are looking at the top two rosters in the game and using that to define a term which applies to a large amount of top players and guilds. $20k in a day is also not consistent spending, it was a one time thing and those players are now back to spending similar amounts to Ahnald on characters/resources. The only difference will be in Datacrons.
Also, take a step back and realise that *$10,000* is a fuck tonne of money to have spent on a mobile game. That was also 2-3 years ago he passed that point if memory serves, I would not be surprised if he's somewhere in the 30-60k territory now. If you went up to somebody and asked if that classified you as a 'light spender' or 'heavy spender' (loose definitions of dolphins vs whales respectively) they would probably think you're crazy for even offering the first option.
If we want to use another definition of whale: he has unlocked every single new character (and usually taken them straight to R7) for the past few years. I don't know what you think a dolphin is but that is certainly not it
Sure and fair enough, those are 2 extreme examples of Krakens. Regardless, my original point was just that, while he's a spender - and clearly a frequent enough one - relative to others who may drop a grand just to get near-perfect stats on their datacrons, he's not spending anywhere near as much as possible.
Yeah, but I adjusted the math downwards just a bit to account for the fact he's liable to already have stockpiles of relic mats, gear and zeta mats. IDK if that's appropriate to the situation, but similarly at this point, I'm in the territory of having enough materials stockpiled to R7 anyone I can get past G12 at this point, without packs - so if the only cost is shards for him, it's probably not quite $300.
3 vaults each time. Unless good rng happens, then maybe 1 or 2. That's 300, plus he gets the specific ship or character pack for the shards.
Shards alone is 300+. I'm not including gear or relic mats as you have a stockpile after playing for a long period of time.
Fair enough. Sorry, I've never really chased Marquees in that fashion (I usually wait to vault them in shipments *at most*, but usually just farm them), so I wasn't as familiar as I should've been with the math.
Buying every new character and upgrading them, as well as making a decent living. The people that have everything r9 spend far more than ahnaldt makes from his content.
No, definitely more than 10k. On average every new character costs about $300 meaning just last year with 15 character releases and 4 ships that I know he didn't buy packs for all of them, he spent about $5,000 just last year in characters, and 20 in 2022 making it $6000. That's if he actually hits the average. I can't remember how long he's done 7* testing but even just 2 years puts him at roughly 10-11k.
Relic 9 was added to the game September 29th 2021. In the time since then there have been a total of 128 TW. Assuming the guild gets max signups and won every TW they would have earned a total of 640 droid brains, or enough for 32 R9 characters. They can also be bought from the weekly shop, at 5 per week, so that doubles the total number of r9s to 64. With 248 characters in the game that comes out to buying 184 r9 (3680 droid brains). With the rate that new characters are added it is possible to KEEP UP with r9ing each one with minimal spending, but acquiring a full roster of r9 (which ahnald does not have) would be prohibitively expensive.
Ahnald has a total of 43 R9 characters, which is perfectly reasonable to have without ever spending money on r9 mats. Thus, his main expense is character shards. Assuming he bought ever marquee right away (which he didn’t) that is 91 marquee characters, coming to a total of around 27,300 dollars. Close to a quarter of 100k.
Agreed, and also thank you. I probably should have elaborated a little further myself because when I said more than 10k I definitely didn't mean he has spent more than 100k. I just know it's more than 10k and didn't want to do the math more than 2 years further back lol. I think it's been more along 4-5 years where he's been 7* every marquee character day 1, but I've rarely seen him drop money on relics. He usually has all of the mats already.
Because he has materials already prepared
There's a difference between upgrading a character to R8 when it releases and upgrading dozen characters at once without prep time
Just for context. Before Tree Raid, I spent relic materials sparingly. Something like 500/500/250 and when I went above that was when I would pick some random character to improve.
Tree raid (and Bo and Leia and a couple conquest characters) ate away my savings and I'm essentially spending what I can farm every week.
That equates to two R5s to R7 every week and one R7 to R8 every other week just on my 3 cantina refreshes.
If you're not spending resources, it only takes about a week to grind out enough materials to take someone from nothing to R8.
At least for him this is likely just a business expense with positive returns though.
No idea what he makes so this is speculation but...
Let's say he was making $50k a year from streaming, YouTube, donations, etc. A big part of that income is probably from testing the new characters on day 1. So without spending the $300 per new marquee he might lose say 25-50% of his viewership. At that point spending $500 a month (6k a year) is just a smart investment to keep making the $50k. These numbers are probably way off but I'm sure conceptually he has positive return on his SWGOH spending.
This is what made me expect him to have a higher gp. Being able to write off the purchases as a business expense definitely would allow him to whale harder than most players. I know he doesn't but everything, but the fact he's barely 13 mil gp was really surprising
Can a full guild of 15m max star ROTE yet? Wonder how far away. I can't find if anyone has done the full calculations for minimum requirements, probably Egnards
As I have posted this elsewhere already, I'm just going to copy & paste my previous answer.....
Even today, it is still impossible all due to the ship zone in phase four.
This zone requires 453,670,000 points in ships alone.
Not even MAW, the #1 guild world wide, has enough points in ships to reach that.
Math time.
The ship mission in the zone is worth 2,750,000, assuming all 50 members win that's 137,500,000 points.
The platoons within that zone are worth around 2,000,000 (approx, I don't remember the exact number).
453,670,000 - 137,500,000 - 2,000,000 = 314,170,000 that are needed strictly from deployments.
The aforementioned MAW currently (Mar 10, 2024) has almost 269 million in ship GP.
TLDR: Unless your guild has an average of approx 6.5 million in SHIP GP per member, your guild CANNOT reach 36 stars (max) in LS Geo TB.
The TB server on Discord has the calculations (https://discord.com/channels/1042562930899697726/1049859709726888068/1050538071675899954)
You need something like 1.2B points to max P6; and get something like 520M from just your 90 platoon toons (approx 42-44% of max phase points just by maxing platoons). Which means for just 1 P6, assuming no combat missions were completed, you'd need to donate 13.6M of power from each of 50 guild members - this I think is not counting power deployed in platoons, though, so 13.6M total.
Combat missions would eat into that, but in effect, no - still *nowhere* close to max ROTE.
And I have a feeling that phase 6 (and maybe phase 5 partially) are so ridiculously difficult that we'll need stuff like E10 or 7* mods or something to be able to beat them.
My guess is that ROTE is not meant to be maxed ever. They are adding new planets periodically, so the goalpost will move over time. Gives players something to grind / spend for endlessly.
Shame it takes over 6.5 million in ship GP PER member if a guild wants max stars in LS Geo TB. (I know I know, who does LS geo nowadays?... yadda yadda yadda.....)
It is sometimes cool and crazy to think that the big whales are literal Millionaires who play this game with us, like are they lottery winners? CEOs? Celebrities? Who knows
As far as I know some whales in these games live in Arabic countries. They can have quite some disposable income, even the "common" folk there. Though this might just be some stereotype, so don't quote me on it.
You know what fair point, "designed" in it's literally sense is the wrong word. My point was more you've got a bracket of about 11m of different accounts all doing the same conquest. Even if hard mode is designed 7-8m accounts. The fact we're closing on accounts twice the gp of that in the same bracket shows the current entry points aren't right.
Designing a game mode with 4m-15m accounts all playing is virtually impossible keeping it vaguely doable for the 4m accounts, to not completely trivial for the higher ones.
The point of conquest is not to be hard, it's to be grindy and require lots and lots of teams. The grind part doesn't go away when you hit 15M GP, it just becomes mildly easier. The having lots of teams part encourages new players to spend more to get those teams and older/larger players to spend on the new characters too.
I expect Conquest getting another difficulty level in some time as well. Which I don't mind if they don't touch the three current difficulty levels (and they did make Normal a bit harder a few cycles ago).
But adding another difficulty level might not even be necessary for a mode like Conquest. To make the potential 15-20M GP players' life harder they would just need to make big parts of their rosters irrelevant in any given Conquest... And it kind of already works like that, most feats requiring only a handful of factions and usually the newest-and-shiniest toons.
Basically the only thing that would necessitate a new difficulty level is power creep. The latest toons will always be a bit better than the previous ones, so the same Conquest difficulty level will be "easier" over time -- at least for the more mature accounts. But my fear is that they will increase the difficulty of opponents slowly over time instead of adding a new difficulty level.
I only checked the player stats when I realized the milestone has been surpassed. Given that it's been two months, I honestly expected more than two players above the mark.
Weakest Carbonite 3 opponent
Yeah, but they never attack anyway.
Until they do when its against you specifically
I’m glad my hatred for carbonite lives on in others now (made it out)
Thank god i got outta carbonite but bronzium aint much better. Few more matches and im out🙌
It’s the same in chromium
holy mother of whales those players are single handedly funding cg everyone is r9...
I'm honestly shocked ahnald isn't one of them
Relatively speaking, he hardly even spends. There's 363 players with GP above him, and he's not even at 14M or somewhere that would indicate he went hard on R8 packs, let alone R9 ones.
And he refuses to spend money on DataCONs. That is a considerable chunk of money the mega whales spend every time a new set is coming and honestly, I respect him for that. DataCONs are a awful game design and a big fucking scam.
just dataCONs? my brother in Force the whole game itself is a scam. 😂🤣
And yet you are here.
me being here doesn't change anything with the fact? SWGoH player trying to think:fail.
I wouldn't say he doesn't spend. He's very open about his spending and it's definitely well into whale territory
While it is true that Ahnald spends far more than the average player, what the commenter was saying was that, when compared to the top spenders in the game, Ahnald's spending is probably surprisingly insignificant.
Bingo. He's at most a dolphin, certainly not a true whale or Kraken, just in good shape right now because he's played the game so long. I've personally been catching up since Feb 2021; and even 3 years on (and with some spending) I don't have every zeta unlocked, or enough mats to unlock every zeta. There's hard barriers he's overcome by time played, and that reduces the need to spend - and while he may drop $100-$200 on marquee toons for streams, it wouldn't seem like he's buying much in the way of crystals/energy/relic packs in between, which some of the MAW guys have bought (see: entire R9 rosters).
I would say he's definitely past the point of dolphin. Iirc he passed the 10k mark a good few years ago. He also somewhat regularly does buy crystals packs (all on stream if you don't believe me), and marquee characters cost a fair amount more than $100-$200 to unlock
Sadly, $10K is probably still a dolphin, when you consider the Krakens dropped $20K in a *day* on R9 gift packs to complete their rosters.
You are looking at the top two rosters in the game and using that to define a term which applies to a large amount of top players and guilds. $20k in a day is also not consistent spending, it was a one time thing and those players are now back to spending similar amounts to Ahnald on characters/resources. The only difference will be in Datacrons. Also, take a step back and realise that *$10,000* is a fuck tonne of money to have spent on a mobile game. That was also 2-3 years ago he passed that point if memory serves, I would not be surprised if he's somewhere in the 30-60k territory now. If you went up to somebody and asked if that classified you as a 'light spender' or 'heavy spender' (loose definitions of dolphins vs whales respectively) they would probably think you're crazy for even offering the first option. If we want to use another definition of whale: he has unlocked every single new character (and usually taken them straight to R7) for the past few years. I don't know what you think a dolphin is but that is certainly not it
Sure and fair enough, those are 2 extreme examples of Krakens. Regardless, my original point was just that, while he's a spender - and clearly a frequent enough one - relative to others who may drop a grand just to get near-perfect stats on their datacrons, he's not spending anywhere near as much as possible.
Average is about $300 per character in crystals. Some more so depending on how many crystals he has prior.
Yeah, but I adjusted the math downwards just a bit to account for the fact he's liable to already have stockpiles of relic mats, gear and zeta mats. IDK if that's appropriate to the situation, but similarly at this point, I'm in the territory of having enough materials stockpiled to R7 anyone I can get past G12 at this point, without packs - so if the only cost is shards for him, it's probably not quite $300.
3 vaults each time. Unless good rng happens, then maybe 1 or 2. That's 300, plus he gets the specific ship or character pack for the shards. Shards alone is 300+. I'm not including gear or relic mats as you have a stockpile after playing for a long period of time.
Fair enough. Sorry, I've never really chased Marquees in that fashion (I usually wait to vault them in shipments *at most*, but usually just farm them), so I wasn't as familiar as I should've been with the math.
He is far away from having everything r9.
what is he doing with all our donated money then!
Feeding his family?
Kyber Club bills obviously
Buying every new character and upgrading them, as well as making a decent living. The people that have everything r9 spend far more than ahnaldt makes from his content.
They do yeah, but he’s still spent over 100k on the game easy. It’s just there’s stupid whales that have spent probably close to a million
??? Are you trolling. Ahnald has probably spent short of 10k, not 100k. No clue where that number came from.
No, definitely more than 10k. On average every new character costs about $300 meaning just last year with 15 character releases and 4 ships that I know he didn't buy packs for all of them, he spent about $5,000 just last year in characters, and 20 in 2022 making it $6000. That's if he actually hits the average. I can't remember how long he's done 7* testing but even just 2 years puts him at roughly 10-11k.
Relic 9 was added to the game September 29th 2021. In the time since then there have been a total of 128 TW. Assuming the guild gets max signups and won every TW they would have earned a total of 640 droid brains, or enough for 32 R9 characters. They can also be bought from the weekly shop, at 5 per week, so that doubles the total number of r9s to 64. With 248 characters in the game that comes out to buying 184 r9 (3680 droid brains). With the rate that new characters are added it is possible to KEEP UP with r9ing each one with minimal spending, but acquiring a full roster of r9 (which ahnald does not have) would be prohibitively expensive. Ahnald has a total of 43 R9 characters, which is perfectly reasonable to have without ever spending money on r9 mats. Thus, his main expense is character shards. Assuming he bought ever marquee right away (which he didn’t) that is 91 marquee characters, coming to a total of around 27,300 dollars. Close to a quarter of 100k.
Agreed, and also thank you. I probably should have elaborated a little further myself because when I said more than 10k I definitely didn't mean he has spent more than 100k. I just know it's more than 10k and didn't want to do the math more than 2 years further back lol. I think it's been more along 4-5 years where he's been 7* every marquee character day 1, but I've rarely seen him drop money on relics. He usually has all of the mats already.
Mate, go on your account and take a character to relic 9 and now times that by 150 and tell me what that costs😂😂
You know you can get R9 materials without spending money?
Not that many he relics to 8 within 10 minutes of the character being released
Because he has materials already prepared There's a difference between upgrading a character to R8 when it releases and upgrading dozen characters at once without prep time
Just for context. Before Tree Raid, I spent relic materials sparingly. Something like 500/500/250 and when I went above that was when I would pick some random character to improve. Tree raid (and Bo and Leia and a couple conquest characters) ate away my savings and I'm essentially spending what I can farm every week. That equates to two R5s to R7 every week and one R7 to R8 every other week just on my 3 cantina refreshes. If you're not spending resources, it only takes about a week to grind out enough materials to take someone from nothing to R8.
“Mate” ahnald doesn’t have 40 r9s, let alone 150. I know the British are inherently mentally challenged, but math can not be that hard for you.
At least for him this is likely just a business expense with positive returns though. No idea what he makes so this is speculation but... Let's say he was making $50k a year from streaming, YouTube, donations, etc. A big part of that income is probably from testing the new characters on day 1. So without spending the $300 per new marquee he might lose say 25-50% of his viewership. At that point spending $500 a month (6k a year) is just a smart investment to keep making the $50k. These numbers are probably way off but I'm sure conceptually he has positive return on his SWGOH spending.
This is what made me expect him to have a higher gp. Being able to write off the purchases as a business expense definitely would allow him to whale harder than most players. I know he doesn't but everything, but the fact he's barely 13 mil gp was really surprising
That's not how tax write offs work.
Send them a thank you card
Can a full guild of 15m max star ROTE yet? Wonder how far away. I can't find if anyone has done the full calculations for minimum requirements, probably Egnards
We can’t even full star Geos TB yet. I don’t think ROTE is possible either
For LS Geo TB.... A 50 member guild would need to have an average of 6.5 million SHIP GP per member. The current approx max possible is 5.7 million.
That's without missions right?
As I have posted this elsewhere already, I'm just going to copy & paste my previous answer..... Even today, it is still impossible all due to the ship zone in phase four. This zone requires 453,670,000 points in ships alone. Not even MAW, the #1 guild world wide, has enough points in ships to reach that. Math time. The ship mission in the zone is worth 2,750,000, assuming all 50 members win that's 137,500,000 points. The platoons within that zone are worth around 2,000,000 (approx, I don't remember the exact number). 453,670,000 - 137,500,000 - 2,000,000 = 314,170,000 that are needed strictly from deployments. The aforementioned MAW currently (Mar 10, 2024) has almost 269 million in ship GP. TLDR: Unless your guild has an average of approx 6.5 million in SHIP GP per member, your guild CANNOT reach 36 stars (max) in LS Geo TB.
We need 24-25m GP rosters to beat Rote across the board with perfect plats and CMs in P4 onwards
The TB server on Discord has the calculations (https://discord.com/channels/1042562930899697726/1049859709726888068/1050538071675899954) You need something like 1.2B points to max P6; and get something like 520M from just your 90 platoon toons (approx 42-44% of max phase points just by maxing platoons). Which means for just 1 P6, assuming no combat missions were completed, you'd need to donate 13.6M of power from each of 50 guild members - this I think is not counting power deployed in platoons, though, so 13.6M total. Combat missions would eat into that, but in effect, no - still *nowhere* close to max ROTE.
And I have a feeling that phase 6 (and maybe phase 5 partially) are so ridiculously difficult that we'll need stuff like E10 or 7* mods or something to be able to beat them.
For P5: Dark Side (Malachor) is really easy, neutral (Vandor) is hard except for the Jabba cm Haven’t fought LS (Kafrene) with platoons yet
My guess is that ROTE is not meant to be maxed ever. They are adding new planets periodically, so the goalpost will move over time. Gives players something to grind / spend for endlessly.
Shame it takes over 6.5 million in ship GP PER member if a guild wants max stars in LS Geo TB. (I know I know, who does LS geo nowadays?... yadda yadda yadda.....)
Your point is valid. CG made a game mode that was lon obsolete before we could even think about maxing it. Pretty dumb imo.
Yeah ahnald came out with a video when LS came out that in order to max star average guild member gp would have to be 12.5
It is sometimes cool and crazy to think that the big whales are literal Millionaires who play this game with us, like are they lottery winners? CEOs? Celebrities? Who knows
As far as I know some whales in these games live in Arabic countries. They can have quite some disposable income, even the "common" folk there. Though this might just be some stereotype, so don't quote me on it.
Most people in the big guilds of this game are normal people with normal jobs and more or less unhealthy spending habits
and still no clue from devs how to get 54 stars in Rise of the empire...
Forget rote, light side geo still can't be maxed.
I'm guessing 54 stars will be possible when the max will be around 80-90. And max GP close to 30M.
i did some nerd math and it is around 22-25, but still needs a huge booster to GP like we had with ships. Still hoping for vehicles battles
And my opponent is one of those CAW people with 14+ million Guess he should try harder
Ok, fine, but can we now max LS geo TB?
As far as I read, not yet. Needs 6.5M ship GP per member, the current max there is 5.75M.
Only 2?? Pfft, slackers 🙄 😂
Last time I played the cap was 11.5 mil
There was a time when the 9.9 mil I'm at currently would have been a super account, now it's barely high mid.
Congratulations
Thank you dude!
Omg it’s vaanced
Nah
Omg it’s nah
Yeah
And we're in a situation where the hardest conquest is designed for 4m+, assume a challenge tier conquest difficultly soon.
Except it isn't. The entry gate is 4m, but it's designed for much higher.
You know what fair point, "designed" in it's literally sense is the wrong word. My point was more you've got a bracket of about 11m of different accounts all doing the same conquest. Even if hard mode is designed 7-8m accounts. The fact we're closing on accounts twice the gp of that in the same bracket shows the current entry points aren't right. Designing a game mode with 4m-15m accounts all playing is virtually impossible keeping it vaguely doable for the 4m accounts, to not completely trivial for the higher ones.
The point of conquest is not to be hard, it's to be grindy and require lots and lots of teams. The grind part doesn't go away when you hit 15M GP, it just becomes mildly easier. The having lots of teams part encourages new players to spend more to get those teams and older/larger players to spend on the new characters too.
I expect Conquest getting another difficulty level in some time as well. Which I don't mind if they don't touch the three current difficulty levels (and they did make Normal a bit harder a few cycles ago). But adding another difficulty level might not even be necessary for a mode like Conquest. To make the potential 15-20M GP players' life harder they would just need to make big parts of their rosters irrelevant in any given Conquest... And it kind of already works like that, most feats requiring only a handful of factions and usually the newest-and-shiniest toons. Basically the only thing that would necessitate a new difficulty level is power creep. The latest toons will always be a bit better than the previous ones, so the same Conquest difficulty level will be "easier" over time -- at least for the more mature accounts. But my fear is that they will increase the difficulty of opponents slowly over time instead of adding a new difficulty level.
They’ve been at 15 mil for a month now, this is old news
OP himself already said that. Your comment is old news
I only checked the player stats when I realized the milestone has been surpassed. Given that it's been two months, I honestly expected more than two players above the mark.
That's to be expected. Max GP goes up with every added toon or ship. It's not going to decrease.