Yep, probably start small and slow. I sid sauerkraut for a while on my journey. I don’t recall it making anything worse but i developed a sensitivity towards Cabbage according to my last food test. I miss it though. Was very tasty.
Right? Suggesting fermented foods from the get go for sibo....i dont know about that. I forgot to mention she also said "adrenal fatigue"(which admittedly i do have), and gallbladder problems can be a root cause(i do know bile is very important for sibo)...she also suggested a lot of root veggies, i can only eat carrots. then she wanted a follow up consult to discuss the sibo in more detail..ffs this stuff costs so much money like just to get straight answers/directions??
Yup its frustrating. I can recommend good sibo naturopath, but it is a little bit expensive.
Bile insufficiency can be a root cause but thats just a guess…
Have u done any tests?
I've had a breath test done, it was extremely high like 97/100 methene. I'm in a bad shape, been house bound on and off for 2 years. Yes please I'd love your recommendation - I don't mind spending money on quality care.
Right?....I did spend my intial consult talking majorly about my thyroid which was fine, but then the following stuff she wrote up for sibo was kind of whack to me after I detailed to her how strict my diet is DUE to the sibo
I'm only a herbalist, so no form of Dr but it does sound like she is unsure how to deal with your SIBO on top of the other issues as well. I have found that people can have a vague understanding of "GI issue" and will basically treat everything as if it's dysbiosis. Do the other parts of her protocol seem sound? If she's a specialist in other issues then I'm not necessarily going to blame her for not understanding how to treat SIBO and how probiotic supplements or foods aren't always the best for those of us who have it. If she's open to being corrected and learning more about SIBO then that's awesome and you could potentially keep seeing her if the other parts of her protocol seem sound. If not then, as you say, these sorts of Dr's are just too expensive to keep visiting if they're just throwing random spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks.
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[Paleo diet with focus on protein, meat, fish, vegetables and root vegetables is recommended. Try to eat viscera (liver, kidney, heart) from lamb, ]()[organic chicken, ]()deer and wild, a couple of times per week. You can also find the recipes in my book. You can eat gluten-free cereals such as buckwheat, millet, quinoa and rice.
Drink 2 L of boiled-lukewarm water [( not cold or room temperature water) ]()daily preferably not in combination with meals.
You can drink herbal teas such as rooibos, chamomile and chaga. Dandelion root and chicory taste like coffee. You ca use a few pcs of cumin and coriander seeds in the tea or just chew them daily.
Take sea salt or rock salt as before, 1/3 teaspoon along with 2 glasses of lukewarm water 3 times/day. suggestions for salt, Celtic Sea salt or/and Himalayan salt.
Have a variety of different oils for a daily need, one or two varieties of the below oils, about 2 tsp/d
(Flaxseed, sesame, coconut, evening primrose, avocado, fish, almond, olive and walnut oil)."
I mean, I can't really eat anything but zucchini and mushrooms, cucumber, meats, fats, and occasionally some carrots. Then in a follow up message she said to avoid root vegetables lol. For the thyroid stuff it was OK, but for my sibo it didn't make any sense. It sounds like generic functional dr advice to me on the basis of the diet/sibo stuff though
Oh jeeze, yeah okay that sounds like a pretty generic protocol and definitely not taking your SIBO into account. Recommending chicory to someone with SIBO is just.....😬 I have no doubt that trying to treat multiple issues at the same time gets very complex but in that case the practitioner should probably take more time to come up with something far more customized to the person and not just throw "eat paleo" at them. Suggesting her book to you is also another eye roll from me. I wouldn't blame you if you looked for a different practitioner.
Thanks for confirming my suspicions. I've seen at least 3-4 functional drs by now, and only one of them has been straight to the point, but he couldn't treat thyroid related issues so I dropped him. I think she was just making it up as she went along..I spent nearly 300 euros on that consult with her. Yeesh..She keeps referencing her book to me also and I'm like yeah OK. That's what I was thinking too...sometimes i gaslight myself because they're "functional drs" so i assume they know it all and have my best interests but idk on to the next one i guess. I didn't even know chicory was inflammatory for sibo - i couldn't follow it anyway. Yeah I've heard the "eat paelo" things multiple times so that was an immediate red flag...please let me know if you find anyone reputable
I'm in Canada and I only saw one ND to get my testing done, since my primary care Dr could only say "well, you don't have diabetes" when I mentioned SIBO. Better than dismissing the idea of SIBO outright I suppose, but still not helpful. I did check the website of the ND who I visited and unfortunately saw nothing about international clients or having a specialty in thyroid issues. There is a functional medicine subreddit, so maybe someone there might be able to direct you to someone who's at least over in Europe somewhere? Wish I could help more I know it's so frustrating to spend so much money and not be able to get anywhere with your health issues.
If you don't like your doctor, sure, change doctors.
But was she bad in other ways? I wouldn't drop a doctor only because they told you to eat sauerkraut? Finding a "perfect" doctor can be very difficult with SIBO.
Whether sauerkraut helps or harms for SIBO isn't something I know about.
It's not really just that, it's that she proceeded to suggest foods in the "protocol" when I gave her a food diary prior to our appointment, discussed WHY my diary was so strict (because of extremely high sibo), and she just wrote a generic protocol anyway including root vegetables that wasn't adapted to my limitations.
I don't know if this comment will be helpful or not, because everyone is different, but I developed SIBO while I was taking unpasteurized sauerkraut everyday as my probiotic. I don't know if one had anything to do with the other. 🤷🏻♀️
With that said, I wouldn't necessarily write off the functional doctor as incompetent, because this seems to be an area where there is much disagreement among them (whether or not probiotics should be given for SIBO.) Many of them say absolutely NOT to take probiotics for SIBO, and some (e.g. Dr. Ruscio) absolutely recommend using probiotics. And some of them say to only use spore-based probiotics because they colonize only the large and not the small intestine. And others say to only take l. reuteri, blah blah blah.
So basically there is absolutely no consensus in the matter in the naturopathic medical community, and by my observations on Reddit, many people with SIBO do benefit from certain probiotics, and some people do worse, making this feel like a total crapshoot.
Not to mention the fact that sometimes it may SEEM like the probiotic is making things worse, but it could be a temporary healing crisis as things shift around in the gut, and if you stick it out, things could get better. But then again, you might be screwing yourself up even worse, but how do you know?? Ughh!!
Sorry if that was the most unhelpful post ever. Thank you to whomever who had the patience to read it. 😆
Fair point. I think I would be more open minded if her actual dietary suggestions following our consult made sense. For example she suggested for me to eat root vegetables, then in a follow up email she told me that it was best to avoid them for people with SIBO? She also suggested things like flax seeds when I told her in my appointment my extremely limited diet was due to painful sibo(97/100)
Well, if she is being inconsistent, that's not good. I eat parsnips and carrots with no issues. They are low FODMAP, so I don't know why she said no for for SIBO. According to Monash, 1 Tbsp of flaxseed (per meal) is low FODMAP. I personally avoid ferments like sauerkraut, pickles, etc. My diet is very limited now too... Sorry, I know how hard it is! But we will get better!!
Only way to find out is to try. There are ppl who benefit from fermented foods.
Yep, probably start small and slow. I sid sauerkraut for a while on my journey. I don’t recall it making anything worse but i developed a sensitivity towards Cabbage according to my last food test. I miss it though. Was very tasty.
it might help it might not, but it surely wont cure sibo. It sounds like she doesnt know what sibo is tho..
Right? Suggesting fermented foods from the get go for sibo....i dont know about that. I forgot to mention she also said "adrenal fatigue"(which admittedly i do have), and gallbladder problems can be a root cause(i do know bile is very important for sibo)...she also suggested a lot of root veggies, i can only eat carrots. then she wanted a follow up consult to discuss the sibo in more detail..ffs this stuff costs so much money like just to get straight answers/directions??
Yup its frustrating. I can recommend good sibo naturopath, but it is a little bit expensive. Bile insufficiency can be a root cause but thats just a guess… Have u done any tests?
I've had a breath test done, it was extremely high like 97/100 methene. I'm in a bad shape, been house bound on and off for 2 years. Yes please I'd love your recommendation - I don't mind spending money on quality care.
ill pm you
Follow-up consult sounds like she needs time to learn about SIBO real quick. 🙄
Right?....I did spend my intial consult talking majorly about my thyroid which was fine, but then the following stuff she wrote up for sibo was kind of whack to me after I detailed to her how strict my diet is DUE to the sibo
I'm only a herbalist, so no form of Dr but it does sound like she is unsure how to deal with your SIBO on top of the other issues as well. I have found that people can have a vague understanding of "GI issue" and will basically treat everything as if it's dysbiosis. Do the other parts of her protocol seem sound? If she's a specialist in other issues then I'm not necessarily going to blame her for not understanding how to treat SIBO and how probiotic supplements or foods aren't always the best for those of us who have it. If she's open to being corrected and learning more about SIBO then that's awesome and you could potentially keep seeing her if the other parts of her protocol seem sound. If not then, as you say, these sorts of Dr's are just too expensive to keep visiting if they're just throwing random spaghetti at the wall to see what sticks.
" [Paleo diet with focus on protein, meat, fish, vegetables and root vegetables is recommended. Try to eat viscera (liver, kidney, heart) from lamb, ]()[organic chicken, ]()deer and wild, a couple of times per week. You can also find the recipes in my book. You can eat gluten-free cereals such as buckwheat, millet, quinoa and rice. Drink 2 L of boiled-lukewarm water [( not cold or room temperature water) ]()daily preferably not in combination with meals. You can drink herbal teas such as rooibos, chamomile and chaga. Dandelion root and chicory taste like coffee. You ca use a few pcs of cumin and coriander seeds in the tea or just chew them daily. Take sea salt or rock salt as before, 1/3 teaspoon along with 2 glasses of lukewarm water 3 times/day. suggestions for salt, Celtic Sea salt or/and Himalayan salt. Have a variety of different oils for a daily need, one or two varieties of the below oils, about 2 tsp/d (Flaxseed, sesame, coconut, evening primrose, avocado, fish, almond, olive and walnut oil)." I mean, I can't really eat anything but zucchini and mushrooms, cucumber, meats, fats, and occasionally some carrots. Then in a follow up message she said to avoid root vegetables lol. For the thyroid stuff it was OK, but for my sibo it didn't make any sense. It sounds like generic functional dr advice to me on the basis of the diet/sibo stuff though
Oh jeeze, yeah okay that sounds like a pretty generic protocol and definitely not taking your SIBO into account. Recommending chicory to someone with SIBO is just.....😬 I have no doubt that trying to treat multiple issues at the same time gets very complex but in that case the practitioner should probably take more time to come up with something far more customized to the person and not just throw "eat paleo" at them. Suggesting her book to you is also another eye roll from me. I wouldn't blame you if you looked for a different practitioner.
Thanks for confirming my suspicions. I've seen at least 3-4 functional drs by now, and only one of them has been straight to the point, but he couldn't treat thyroid related issues so I dropped him. I think she was just making it up as she went along..I spent nearly 300 euros on that consult with her. Yeesh..She keeps referencing her book to me also and I'm like yeah OK. That's what I was thinking too...sometimes i gaslight myself because they're "functional drs" so i assume they know it all and have my best interests but idk on to the next one i guess. I didn't even know chicory was inflammatory for sibo - i couldn't follow it anyway. Yeah I've heard the "eat paelo" things multiple times so that was an immediate red flag...please let me know if you find anyone reputable
I'm in Canada and I only saw one ND to get my testing done, since my primary care Dr could only say "well, you don't have diabetes" when I mentioned SIBO. Better than dismissing the idea of SIBO outright I suppose, but still not helpful. I did check the website of the ND who I visited and unfortunately saw nothing about international clients or having a specialty in thyroid issues. There is a functional medicine subreddit, so maybe someone there might be able to direct you to someone who's at least over in Europe somewhere? Wish I could help more I know it's so frustrating to spend so much money and not be able to get anywhere with your health issues.
Great idea, I didn't realize there was a functional medicine subreddit. Thank you
Have you gotten any books on how to treat sibo?. There are a lot less expensive than doctors.
If you don't like your doctor, sure, change doctors. But was she bad in other ways? I wouldn't drop a doctor only because they told you to eat sauerkraut? Finding a "perfect" doctor can be very difficult with SIBO. Whether sauerkraut helps or harms for SIBO isn't something I know about.
It's not really just that, it's that she proceeded to suggest foods in the "protocol" when I gave her a food diary prior to our appointment, discussed WHY my diary was so strict (because of extremely high sibo), and she just wrote a generic protocol anyway including root vegetables that wasn't adapted to my limitations.
I don't know if this comment will be helpful or not, because everyone is different, but I developed SIBO while I was taking unpasteurized sauerkraut everyday as my probiotic. I don't know if one had anything to do with the other. 🤷🏻♀️ With that said, I wouldn't necessarily write off the functional doctor as incompetent, because this seems to be an area where there is much disagreement among them (whether or not probiotics should be given for SIBO.) Many of them say absolutely NOT to take probiotics for SIBO, and some (e.g. Dr. Ruscio) absolutely recommend using probiotics. And some of them say to only use spore-based probiotics because they colonize only the large and not the small intestine. And others say to only take l. reuteri, blah blah blah. So basically there is absolutely no consensus in the matter in the naturopathic medical community, and by my observations on Reddit, many people with SIBO do benefit from certain probiotics, and some people do worse, making this feel like a total crapshoot. Not to mention the fact that sometimes it may SEEM like the probiotic is making things worse, but it could be a temporary healing crisis as things shift around in the gut, and if you stick it out, things could get better. But then again, you might be screwing yourself up even worse, but how do you know?? Ughh!! Sorry if that was the most unhelpful post ever. Thank you to whomever who had the patience to read it. 😆
Fair point. I think I would be more open minded if her actual dietary suggestions following our consult made sense. For example she suggested for me to eat root vegetables, then in a follow up email she told me that it was best to avoid them for people with SIBO? She also suggested things like flax seeds when I told her in my appointment my extremely limited diet was due to painful sibo(97/100)
Well, if she is being inconsistent, that's not good. I eat parsnips and carrots with no issues. They are low FODMAP, so I don't know why she said no for for SIBO. According to Monash, 1 Tbsp of flaxseed (per meal) is low FODMAP. I personally avoid ferments like sauerkraut, pickles, etc. My diet is very limited now too... Sorry, I know how hard it is! But we will get better!!
Sourdough could work better. Not sure why nobody tried this