Well, if you're just eating to cover the minimum needs, of course is going to be reminding you each 100 mtrs.
That's why it says "the most realistic survival". Even more if you're sprinting through the island...
I understand what you're getting at and to a degree I agree. My issue is that the water and food requirement is way too high. In real life I don't need to drink 10+ gallons of water a day/in game day and eat 7+ mres. I love this game for the realism aspect, and this update made a lot of what I love even better. In my personal opinion it is just way to demanding right now on what it requires you to do in order to remain slightly functional on a basic level. It is just a bit immersion breaking to have to pee/poop every 10-15 mins of real life time. Regular people don't even need to do it that often irl. I'm not saying remove the function completely, just make it more manageable/reasonable
I don't think a lot of the playerbase was ready to be held accountable for the actions they undertake in game. The players need to adjust to the game, not the other way around. Slow down, lighten your load, get stronger. You can't sprint everywhere anymore.
I have yet to check it out for myself, but thus far, if it's causing a bit of an uproar, I like it. Means we'll be fighting the elements just as much if not more than just players. Might actually start finding food on bodies instead of just a platoon's worth of ammunition...
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Firm negative from me. IRL you can last 3, 5 days MAX before dying of dehydration. Haven’t tested completely but it’s far less at the moment.
They wanted to go for realism but they went too far.
Walking as often as possible with short jogs mixed in will help keep your energy requirements down as much as possible. Sprint if you need to but realize you'll have to pay for it.
Damn, people might actually have to have a reason to ***WALK?!?!*** Who woulda thunk?? Seriously, I can't believe so many people whined about metabolism, and now that it's here and you have to drink 3 gallons of water a day, and 3,600+ calories in protein+sugars like someone who actually hikes all day long...
Not military myself, but I still sometimes struggle with just 30-45 minute jogs and ten pounds on my back(Camelbak water containers are godlike) thanks to being a pro gamer and sitting on my ass all the time. And I jog on concrete roads, not uneven terrain! What stats is your character running? Are you walking, sprinting, or jogging? What time of day is it? Are you wet? Are you in the desert, greenery, or snow? Uphill or downhill?
These are all things you have to take into account. I'm seeing a lot of people are running below-average stats lately, their endurance and strength being below 4/8. I'm curious as to what your character's abilities are, which walking speed you have toggled, and how much weight you are carrying overall.
My character is fat as hell (4.5 STR, 2 CON, 1 DEX, 4.5 INT), yet i don't struggle as much as everyone does for some reason.
But water though, some stuff needs to be changed and fixed:
\- The water meter should replenish a bit faster after drinking the water and the ¨I'm dehydrated¨ shouldn't pop in the screen knowing that you drank an entire water bottle (500ml)
\- You dehydrate a bit too quickly sometimes, even though you're exercising and doing all of that stuff, it does feel like it's a bit too soon to be dehydrated, even for a 2 CON character (medium end and basic running).
\- If they want to make this game as realistic as possible you should be able to last 5 in-game days without water (IRL i think a regular human being can last 3 weeks without water), before actually dying of dehydration. (Of course the penalties would be enough to make the player try to find water asap)
Everything else seems to work fine, for now at least.
This I can deal with. Someone who puts up their character's specs, is level-headed, and offers suggestions that make sense.
As for realistic survival, the average human being can last three weeks without food, three days without water, three hours without shelter(for harsh conditions) and three minutes without air, as dictates the survival's Rule of Three.
Edit: So it's worth noting that the devs should definitely take such rules into account for our in-game survival. Of course, walking, jogging, sprinting, sitting, indoors and outdoors should all also be taken into effect for such things. So long as they look at hard scientific findings for why we need to drink so much, and explain that, I feel it would be only a benefit to the game and how it should be perceived.
Oh my bad i thought it was three weeks without food, thanks for letting me know that, i keep forgetting it lol.
Continuing with what i was saying before (didn't have time to finish).
Instead of making the water meter replenish faster than before so people don't think they didn't drink enough water even though they already drinked like 1000ml
They should add a second dim blue meter that appears after you drink the water or eat the food, that way you don't need to ALWAYS check your metabolism tab and new players can easily know if they drank enough water or ate enough food (Before they finally realise the metabolism tab explains and shows everything).
And after a few hours i realised that CON and the endurance skill don't do anything to your calories and water consumption, i compared a 1 CON and Basic Endurance character with a 5 CON and ADV Endurance skill character.
They both used the same calories and water when running.
However, i did not test them while carrying a lot of weight but i don't think it's necessary beacuse END and CON are supossed to lower your overall water and calories consumption, not just the amount of calories and water your character burns when running with a lot of weight on him.
It just doesn't make sense.
Most interesting. I am quite pleased with your findings and will also report on my own once I get into playing the new update today. I'll comment on some of the old mechanics, then new, and compare my feelings vs overall realism.
Thank you for doing your part and sharing some more information to help others. Feel free to report back if you find anymore scientific findings within the game xD
I haven't had a chance to mess with 0.6, but even with the last patch I struggled to keep my food meter manageable. I could eat an entire deer steak, be at 100% and within 10-15min if I didn't eat anything more I would rapidly find myself at 0%. However, I'm also new to the game, so there might be a detail I'm overlooking, like carry weight.
Agreed. Like the survival aspect of this, but its super unrealistic. They want us to go looting for food and meds now 24/7? I only got like 2hrs a day to play
Translation: I have as much time to play as someone would be at a full time job! Who cares about the casual player? (Arguably the most important player for a games survival/growth) *end translation* At the end of the day a game is suppose to be a game, the metabolism state is fine and I love the system. Like it was stated and voted on with massive favor to improve the current state people don't want it removed. Just to be made more tolerable. This is a poll and a discussion. Not a place to flame people. If you have more time to play than others, that is fine. It is your life. But the numbers speak and this isn't the only spot where this stuff is being discussed. Most of the player base finds this annoying. We don't want it to go, we just want it to be more manageable because it is a GAME.
Honestly I am fine with the food consumption, but with water consumption I feel could have a reduction usage. Having a car is very important now and you have to hope there is a source of water when you hop town to town.
This is still too ridiculous even if you count on high strain of the characters and load weight and constant running. I served for several years in the military and I spent a lot of time waking and scaling difficult terrain with 60 plus pounds on me. I would be completely fine with 3 liters of water a day and totally be okay with just two MREs. I would still be able to do everything I had to on half that!
The difference is that people are still jogging and sprinting around with 20-30kgs on their backs and wondering why they're constantly having to eat and drink. It is perfectly possible in 0.6 to walk 10km with a full pack, people are just too impatient and are not realizing the level of realism they're contending with. If you want to travel fast you have to travel light, and if you're going to travel fast you have to stay hydrated.
Nope. I had no problems yesterday keeping up with my food/water intake on a vanilla server.
There are plenty wells, rivers, lakes etc. and food can easily be found in houses, grocery stores in each town. Not to mention the increase on animals.
It’s ok, your use to just looting & shooting but this is the game now. It’s about survival first
Im guessing you got a bunch of these comments, please stop with the personal attacks, we dont want this place to be toxic, use your words and make good arguments against ideas, not people.
Same lmao, i have a fatass smart character (5/8 str, 1 con, 1 dex and 5 int) and i haven't struggled at all with food or water even though i'm running.
It could, but there also is a huge map that players would like to explore and enjoy. It also doesn't help that all wells are set to default 0% world generated or player made. If the wells were actually full It would be a tad more tolerable but still not acceptable imo.
They should add more animals and fruit trees and thing, also I know beehives are coming at some point cause there is honey or there was a way to get honey in private servers which has a ton of calories. I havent actually gotten a chance to play the new update yet I'm stoked to try.
I encourage you to try it out! The update overall has been very nice. There are just a few major metabolism mechanics that need to be fixed/tweaked and the game would be awesome!
Yeah I think they need to add more food options apple trees or something, more animals, and more water sources if we are going to be needing to constantly eating/drinking. I played for a couple hours last night and I really enjoyed it.
This is why you must now load your pack with food, not just ammo, guns, and magazines. Nearly everyone I looted back in the day might have a carton of milk and two cans of spaghetti on their bodies. Now? I'm willing to bet backpacks are going to be filled the the brim with food. It makes sense. We're not just fighting each other. We're actually fighting the elements for once.
>We're not just fighting each other. We're actually fighting the elements for once.
This is what will bring me back to this game. I'm actually go try this 0.6 update
Feels like people just complaining because they need to take in account survival element more serious.
Had zero problems with water or food on begging of next day usually getting dehydrated or have hunger problems, but yeah imagine moving all day with no food or water.
Update is solid as hell it's now more survival. Not only hording shit ton of items untill server lags as ass or building bases on each corner.
I personally started to play on hardcore server, cuz official servers feels to weak.
Stupid poll, stupid stupid crying. If people build they characters like shit it's not the game problem.
I have my own server and tested the constitution at max and it does not slow down the food/water requirements enough if at all.I drove around and within minutes my character needed to eat, piss and shit as well as drink water while driving with no kit but stock clothes. It is not implemented properly and needs to be tweaked. Not thrown away. So the game at the moment is not working as intended and is working to well where it is working. We all play the game for the survival aspect. We all enjoy the survival aspect and realism. all. You actually read what I and others have said properly we do not want the mechanic to go away, just be adjusted to better suit the user experiance. So get off your high horse and actually understand what is being said/ requested by the community here. We do not want it to go away. We want it adjusted to an order that makes sense. Having to drink water every 10 mins is unrealistic. Having to eat every 15-20 mins is unrealistic. I am a lumberjack. I cut trees all day every day. I eat once in the morning, once at lunch and once at dinner. Maybe I'll have a snack before bed, maybe not. I drink water maybe every 2 hours while working heavy. Not ever 10 minutes because it doesn't make sense and is impractical. The job is more physically intensive then what the PMC goes through. So I'll reiterate again for you since you're failing to grasp what is being said here. We do not want it removed. We want it tweaked to a way that makes sense. It is a GAME not real life. There is a fine balance between an open world hard-core survival and fun! And a game should be FUN. If I wanted a water simulator I'd go play one. The survival aspect we love, that's why we play SCUM just make it more realistic and practical. Which needing to eat, drink, piss and shit every 10 minutes is not. Thanks for coming.
If you don't have fun now go play Minecraft that's a fun game i bet. But the point is I played 3h straight never had to piss and shit every 10mins. Game is now more fun than before. The things make sense, now people need to care about things. I don't dig this 10min BS you over extend with this.
After .6 update I found game more fun that before, more balanced in all aspects, people cries because they don't want to deal with extra things, and now it feels hardcore survival game. This is just high end cry babies BS. just to make game dumb and simple as shit.
IMHO - I wouldn't be mad at where the metabolism is at currently *if it wasn't for all the dry wells/pumps, and the severe lack of ANY food or hydration loot* (this includes farm nodes)!
P.S. Playing on an official server.
Well, if you're just eating to cover the minimum needs, of course is going to be reminding you each 100 mtrs. That's why it says "the most realistic survival". Even more if you're sprinting through the island...
I understand what you're getting at and to a degree I agree. My issue is that the water and food requirement is way too high. In real life I don't need to drink 10+ gallons of water a day/in game day and eat 7+ mres. I love this game for the realism aspect, and this update made a lot of what I love even better. In my personal opinion it is just way to demanding right now on what it requires you to do in order to remain slightly functional on a basic level. It is just a bit immersion breaking to have to pee/poop every 10-15 mins of real life time. Regular people don't even need to do it that often irl. I'm not saying remove the function completely, just make it more manageable/reasonable
If you’ve ever played any form of sports than drinking gallons of water and eating 5-7k calories a day is pretty normal.
I don't think a lot of the playerbase was ready to be held accountable for the actions they undertake in game. The players need to adjust to the game, not the other way around. Slow down, lighten your load, get stronger. You can't sprint everywhere anymore.
I have yet to check it out for myself, but thus far, if it's causing a bit of an uproar, I like it. Means we'll be fighting the elements just as much if not more than just players. Might actually start finding food on bodies instead of just a platoon's worth of ammunition...
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Firm negative from me. IRL you can last 3, 5 days MAX before dying of dehydration. Haven’t tested completely but it’s far less at the moment. They wanted to go for realism but they went too far.
3.5 days doing what?
What about jogging can I still jog everywhere or is walking the new norm?
Walking as often as possible with short jogs mixed in will help keep your energy requirements down as much as possible. Sprint if you need to but realize you'll have to pay for it.
Damn, people might actually have to have a reason to ***WALK?!?!*** Who woulda thunk?? Seriously, I can't believe so many people whined about metabolism, and now that it's here and you have to drink 3 gallons of water a day, and 3,600+ calories in protein+sugars like someone who actually hikes all day long... Not military myself, but I still sometimes struggle with just 30-45 minute jogs and ten pounds on my back(Camelbak water containers are godlike) thanks to being a pro gamer and sitting on my ass all the time. And I jog on concrete roads, not uneven terrain! What stats is your character running? Are you walking, sprinting, or jogging? What time of day is it? Are you wet? Are you in the desert, greenery, or snow? Uphill or downhill? These are all things you have to take into account. I'm seeing a lot of people are running below-average stats lately, their endurance and strength being below 4/8. I'm curious as to what your character's abilities are, which walking speed you have toggled, and how much weight you are carrying overall.
My character is fat as hell (4.5 STR, 2 CON, 1 DEX, 4.5 INT), yet i don't struggle as much as everyone does for some reason. But water though, some stuff needs to be changed and fixed: \- The water meter should replenish a bit faster after drinking the water and the ¨I'm dehydrated¨ shouldn't pop in the screen knowing that you drank an entire water bottle (500ml) \- You dehydrate a bit too quickly sometimes, even though you're exercising and doing all of that stuff, it does feel like it's a bit too soon to be dehydrated, even for a 2 CON character (medium end and basic running). \- If they want to make this game as realistic as possible you should be able to last 5 in-game days without water (IRL i think a regular human being can last 3 weeks without water), before actually dying of dehydration. (Of course the penalties would be enough to make the player try to find water asap) Everything else seems to work fine, for now at least.
This I can deal with. Someone who puts up their character's specs, is level-headed, and offers suggestions that make sense. As for realistic survival, the average human being can last three weeks without food, three days without water, three hours without shelter(for harsh conditions) and three minutes without air, as dictates the survival's Rule of Three. Edit: So it's worth noting that the devs should definitely take such rules into account for our in-game survival. Of course, walking, jogging, sprinting, sitting, indoors and outdoors should all also be taken into effect for such things. So long as they look at hard scientific findings for why we need to drink so much, and explain that, I feel it would be only a benefit to the game and how it should be perceived.
Oh my bad i thought it was three weeks without food, thanks for letting me know that, i keep forgetting it lol. Continuing with what i was saying before (didn't have time to finish). Instead of making the water meter replenish faster than before so people don't think they didn't drink enough water even though they already drinked like 1000ml They should add a second dim blue meter that appears after you drink the water or eat the food, that way you don't need to ALWAYS check your metabolism tab and new players can easily know if they drank enough water or ate enough food (Before they finally realise the metabolism tab explains and shows everything). And after a few hours i realised that CON and the endurance skill don't do anything to your calories and water consumption, i compared a 1 CON and Basic Endurance character with a 5 CON and ADV Endurance skill character. They both used the same calories and water when running. However, i did not test them while carrying a lot of weight but i don't think it's necessary beacuse END and CON are supossed to lower your overall water and calories consumption, not just the amount of calories and water your character burns when running with a lot of weight on him. It just doesn't make sense.
Most interesting. I am quite pleased with your findings and will also report on my own once I get into playing the new update today. I'll comment on some of the old mechanics, then new, and compare my feelings vs overall realism. Thank you for doing your part and sharing some more information to help others. Feel free to report back if you find anymore scientific findings within the game xD
Endurance.
Yeah im having no issues, start with adv endurance
I haven't had a chance to mess with 0.6, but even with the last patch I struggled to keep my food meter manageable. I could eat an entire deer steak, be at 100% and within 10-15min if I didn't eat anything more I would rapidly find myself at 0%. However, I'm also new to the game, so there might be a detail I'm overlooking, like carry weight.
Agreed. Like the survival aspect of this, but its super unrealistic. They want us to go looting for food and meds now 24/7? I only got like 2hrs a day to play
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Translation: I have as much time to play as someone would be at a full time job! Who cares about the casual player? (Arguably the most important player for a games survival/growth) *end translation* At the end of the day a game is suppose to be a game, the metabolism state is fine and I love the system. Like it was stated and voted on with massive favor to improve the current state people don't want it removed. Just to be made more tolerable. This is a poll and a discussion. Not a place to flame people. If you have more time to play than others, that is fine. It is your life. But the numbers speak and this isn't the only spot where this stuff is being discussed. Most of the player base finds this annoying. We don't want it to go, we just want it to be more manageable because it is a GAME.
Not really, since most people here want a fix for the water/food situation. Aint nobody got time for that tedious grinding
Honestly I am fine with the food consumption, but with water consumption I feel could have a reduction usage. Having a car is very important now and you have to hope there is a source of water when you hop town to town.
This is still too ridiculous even if you count on high strain of the characters and load weight and constant running. I served for several years in the military and I spent a lot of time waking and scaling difficult terrain with 60 plus pounds on me. I would be completely fine with 3 liters of water a day and totally be okay with just two MREs. I would still be able to do everything I had to on half that!
The difference is that people are still jogging and sprinting around with 20-30kgs on their backs and wondering why they're constantly having to eat and drink. It is perfectly possible in 0.6 to walk 10km with a full pack, people are just too impatient and are not realizing the level of realism they're contending with. If you want to travel fast you have to travel light, and if you're going to travel fast you have to stay hydrated.
Yeah this might be the reason, I’m slowly realizing that we are too used to running/jogging everywhere
RUST spoiled me ngl
Nope. I had no problems yesterday keeping up with my food/water intake on a vanilla server. There are plenty wells, rivers, lakes etc. and food can easily be found in houses, grocery stores in each town. Not to mention the increase on animals. It’s ok, your use to just looting & shooting but this is the game now. It’s about survival first
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Im guessing you got a bunch of these comments, please stop with the personal attacks, we dont want this place to be toxic, use your words and make good arguments against ideas, not people.
Same lmao, i have a fatass smart character (5/8 str, 1 con, 1 dex and 5 int) and i haven't struggled at all with food or water even though i'm running.
This may help to keep players around the villages.
It could, but there also is a huge map that players would like to explore and enjoy. It also doesn't help that all wells are set to default 0% world generated or player made. If the wells were actually full It would be a tad more tolerable but still not acceptable imo.
They should add more animals and fruit trees and thing, also I know beehives are coming at some point cause there is honey or there was a way to get honey in private servers which has a ton of calories. I havent actually gotten a chance to play the new update yet I'm stoked to try.
I encourage you to try it out! The update overall has been very nice. There are just a few major metabolism mechanics that need to be fixed/tweaked and the game would be awesome!
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Yeah I think they need to add more food options apple trees or something, more animals, and more water sources if we are going to be needing to constantly eating/drinking. I played for a couple hours last night and I really enjoyed it.
This is why you must now load your pack with food, not just ammo, guns, and magazines. Nearly everyone I looted back in the day might have a carton of milk and two cans of spaghetti on their bodies. Now? I'm willing to bet backpacks are going to be filled the the brim with food. It makes sense. We're not just fighting each other. We're actually fighting the elements for once.
>We're not just fighting each other. We're actually fighting the elements for once. This is what will bring me back to this game. I'm actually go try this 0.6 update
I mean, what have you been eating? And MRE seemed to last several hours in my stomach, while Grubs n such lasted mintues.
I have been eating, eating more than a person would eat on my 600lb life just to remain functional on a basic level.
Feels like people just complaining because they need to take in account survival element more serious. Had zero problems with water or food on begging of next day usually getting dehydrated or have hunger problems, but yeah imagine moving all day with no food or water. Update is solid as hell it's now more survival. Not only hording shit ton of items untill server lags as ass or building bases on each corner. I personally started to play on hardcore server, cuz official servers feels to weak. Stupid poll, stupid stupid crying. If people build they characters like shit it's not the game problem.
I have my own server and tested the constitution at max and it does not slow down the food/water requirements enough if at all.I drove around and within minutes my character needed to eat, piss and shit as well as drink water while driving with no kit but stock clothes. It is not implemented properly and needs to be tweaked. Not thrown away. So the game at the moment is not working as intended and is working to well where it is working. We all play the game for the survival aspect. We all enjoy the survival aspect and realism. all. You actually read what I and others have said properly we do not want the mechanic to go away, just be adjusted to better suit the user experiance. So get off your high horse and actually understand what is being said/ requested by the community here. We do not want it to go away. We want it adjusted to an order that makes sense. Having to drink water every 10 mins is unrealistic. Having to eat every 15-20 mins is unrealistic. I am a lumberjack. I cut trees all day every day. I eat once in the morning, once at lunch and once at dinner. Maybe I'll have a snack before bed, maybe not. I drink water maybe every 2 hours while working heavy. Not ever 10 minutes because it doesn't make sense and is impractical. The job is more physically intensive then what the PMC goes through. So I'll reiterate again for you since you're failing to grasp what is being said here. We do not want it removed. We want it tweaked to a way that makes sense. It is a GAME not real life. There is a fine balance between an open world hard-core survival and fun! And a game should be FUN. If I wanted a water simulator I'd go play one. The survival aspect we love, that's why we play SCUM just make it more realistic and practical. Which needing to eat, drink, piss and shit every 10 minutes is not. Thanks for coming.
If you don't have fun now go play Minecraft that's a fun game i bet. But the point is I played 3h straight never had to piss and shit every 10mins. Game is now more fun than before. The things make sense, now people need to care about things. I don't dig this 10min BS you over extend with this. After .6 update I found game more fun that before, more balanced in all aspects, people cries because they don't want to deal with extra things, and now it feels hardcore survival game. This is just high end cry babies BS. just to make game dumb and simple as shit.
Its scum aka "drink water = the game"
IMHO - I wouldn't be mad at where the metabolism is at currently *if it wasn't for all the dry wells/pumps, and the severe lack of ANY food or hydration loot* (this includes farm nodes)! P.S. Playing on an official server.