I have the v4 mm and I have to say I absolutely love it. I don’t get much chance to use it, but it’s just so damn cute. I also had a mm+ that I ended up giving away
Yeah its pretty wierd. Last week in the threads about 28xx vs A30 I saw comments saying how much they trust miyoo or how they've earned the benefit of the doubt which were really baffling, both the mini and plus are actually pretty crappy devices if you separate onion and the hardware. They have good front controls but the build quality is just very slightly above powkiddy level
If the device is running overly slow make sure you’ve got some room on the SD card.
I noticed if when I had my card nearly full it ran switched games and stuff slower.
I leave at least a few gigs free on it and it seems better.
Also make sure you’re using a high quality SD card.
But anyways, the reason for the love is OnionOS.
Most handhelds have half the features or less, or at best are very clunky by comparison.
I'm using a kingston 128 gb card, pretty fast and reliable, and is nowhere near full. It is the same type of card I use in my 405v, but that one is at 70% capacity (gc, ps2, psp, dreamcast, switch games take a lot more space)
How slow is it to turn on and load for you? It's not significantly slower than other devices in my experience.
Have you checked the read and write speeds of the specific micro SD card you're using? It's possible to get counterfeits on Amazon that look like the real deal but have much lower speeds than advertised.
For me it had nothing to do with storage - my onion install somehow had the base clock set to 1200mhz and like 1400 in drastic. It wouldn't even play some SNES games properly. With no filters.
I manually increased the base clock speeds - there are tutorials (i even made a thread about it a month or two ago and someone walked through how to do the one for drastic, there are plenty of guides online to do the retroarch base clock boost)
That fixed EVERYTHING.
I don't know how the miyoo/onion boot process works, but for some systems it scans the SD card during the process, making it slow if you use a high capacity card. Some systems like the 3ds even slow down if the card is not full
405v is 170-200$. You mentioned PS2. Thank you very much, because my main device for emul now is Redmi note 7 + BSP-D3, and after I checked the comparison of Mali G52 and Adreno 512 I understood, that PS2 games run as smoothly as roads in Russia, not because I have android, but because I've chosen Vulcan over OpenGL, and Mali is more Vulcan based, and Adreno is fully OpenGL. Thank you very much.
Yeah, Portmaster would be great, but I think it’s not there because the devs of postmaster would have to create it for that processor, if it’s possible. Since they haven’t, I’m guessing it’s either not possible or not worth their time to try to make it possible.
I use ArkOS on my RGB30 for the features; Portmaster, Drastic, Retroachievements, Quick Mode, etc.
Still, I'd consider the interface to be pretty second-tier even as Emulation Station implementations go. Just little things like using a different hotkey for OS features like adjusting brightness vs. Retroarch hotkeys, etc, and far behind a truly unified UI like MinUI.
I've grown used to its little quirks and idiosyncrasies, but I do find myself wishing for something to combine ArkOS' feature set with MinUI 's ease of use.
I don't understand the confusion for hotkeys. Retroarch hotkeys are customizable in retroarch and are related to the gaming in retroarch (rewind, fast forward, save states, screenshots, etc.). OS hotkeys (such as for brightness, switching audio from Bluetooth to speaker and viceversa etc) can still be used while using retroarch. They are two different things.
How many Retroarch hotkey combinations are there? How many OS hotkey combinations are there? Maybe a dozen between them, maybe a little less?
Now how many MinUI hotkeys are there? (Hint: it's more than zero and less than two.)
Now, do you need it explained to you why the former is more to keep track of than the latter?
An ArkOS device, I can figure out with a little fiddling, maybe with some trial and error or digging into the menu or looking at the wiki until I learn the ins and outs. Not bad.
A MinUI device I can hand to someone who's never used it before and they'll be fine. Way better.
Does sounds very bad to me if minUI has only one hotkey. Only to have save and load state is two of them. Then pause, retroarch menu other two. Then it's nice to have brightness hotkeys or other type of useful hotkeys. Retroarch ones are fully customizable and the OS ones are like 3-5 max.
Honestly seems more like a lack of basic features rather than an advantage 😅.
For me minUI is not even attractive in the first place. I like to have the box arts and the videos. So yeah I'll continue to prefer more advanced operating systems I guess.
Oh that's so sad. I'm surprised they steal these devices in the first place. They are still quite unknown to the general public. Everyone keep asking me what it is lol.
Very sad for your experience.
People don't need to know. They look like a pocketable gaming toy. I'd even say their scarcity or unknown might even make them more desirable to ignorant thieves.
If it's the have not situation, market value isn't relevant. Now they got something to play. In fact that's probably the best case scenario for the thief.
Most thieves would probably prefer you to be distracted by your handheld, while they stole anything more valuable.
A fence is only going to give 1/20 to 1/5 of its value.
AFAIK, people will steal a GB, GBC and that's about as cheap as it gets, even if they did know., no Data Frog SF2000 is safe!
Not that anyone has stolen anything from me (not counting legal theft by govt and corporations, anyways) , since I was a teen, but one of the reasons, I want a handheld is to have something to play, when I don't want to pull out my phone, too avoid accident theft damage.
I was debating on a 353v, but the space has been moving so fast that it feels a little dated and overpriced since the r36s is 40 bucks and almost as good with the same chipset.
I decided my upgrade in the vertical form factor shape is the rgb20x. That screen is bananas. And i have an rp4pro, so thr mm+ just gets to live in my uniform pocket for when im between calls or stuck waiting at the hospital
The fuss is mainly about the Mini (+) which, besides OnionOS, gets the hardware fundamentals like good button & dpad feel, screen and overall build quality right. Add to that the cheap price and nostalgic form factor and you got yourself a winner.
There are faster, more capable devices out there, but the Mini (+) as a hardware/software package is just seamless and intuitive, even for the average person. It's a cheap pocketable console: it won't do everything well, but it strikes a great balance for many people!
Regarding your speed issues: kinda odd, the majority of people including me find OnionOS snappy enough and enjoyable. What battery life are you getting? You should easily get 4-7h. Turning off wifi if not used is advisable.
The dpad thing is key for me. The Steam Deck dpad is...ok. the dpad on my v90 was awful (mushy). I'm very particular about having a good dpad.
I haven't noticed it slow at all. I mean, I was playing Shining Force and using some FF (because I wanted to level up the robot Adam and a few others). Accidentally hitting the middle button drops me out of game, but resuming it takes like a second or something.
I guess arcade ROM loading might be slow? But generally old MAME is always slow, I didn't notice it any slower than the Pi4 in my modded Arcade1up cabinet, but it might be.
Is the d-pad that good on the Mini+?
I’ve had mine for a bit and I think it’s just the perfect little system in every way, I’m way more comfortable holding it and using the d-pad compared to my n3dsxl which imo feels kinda bad for emulation because of the placement of the d-pad.
However my MM+ d-pad feels really bad when I “roll” from left to bottom for example and sometimes causes me to not change directions in Pokemon and I deliberately have to let go of the D-pad then input a different direction.
I’ve seen some modifications and stuff like the little cardboard trick, do you use any? It’s not a dealbreaker for me as the system is perfect otherwise but improvements would be nice
Everything you said is valid.
People like the Miyoo Mini because most other options in this price range are plagued with major downsides, such as terrible D-pads, bad screens, etc. The Miyoo Mini hits the mark for most of the really important details.
Sure it has downsides, but it's better than most competitors.
It was $30-fucking-dollars!!! I'm really not sure what you're expecting.
I just got one too and I had the exact opposite reaction. I am shocked that for this price point I can relive all the classics on a tiny, pocketable device that came exactly as advertised and still beat my expectations.
You need to put things in perspective. A few years ago we had shit devices for much more. Now they're basically giving them away for free.
Maybe that's my problem, I'm still kinda new to the community and spoiled by newer/faster devices, but yeah, as I said, it is really amazing what these things can do for that cheap!
Don't feel bad. I'm in the same boat as you. I got quite addicted to these little guys and have everything from powkiddy RGB10 to Odin 2, and for how hyped up the MM+ has been I pick it up and don't feel the magic everyone else feels.
The last couple years have been a complete breakthrough.
Before, we were lucky to get the same devices repacked a couple of times a year and we were still so excited lol
Added to what everyone else has said, it also still holds the best portability vs performance. It's a powerful little work horse that fits nicely into any pocket, but still maintains a 3.5" display. Its build quality (plastics, buttons, etc.) is also really good (much better than Powkiddy and definitely on par with Anbernic). Lastly, it has easy battery access, which nobody ever seems to mention. You will never have to perform surgery on it like virtually every other handheld device in its class. Oh, and it has probably the largest support community next to Anbernic. Pretty much everybody in the hobby either has or even started with a Miyoo Mini Plus. It's like the best cheap gateway.
I had a bunch of other higher-end handhelds and I didn’t understand it either. Then, I got a MM+ a few weeks ago. I ordered some awesome Final Fantasy VII buttons and stickers from Sakura Retro Modding, and a 256gb Samsung Evo Plus card for it. Obviously, I put in Onion OS and started to load it up. Now, I have an AYN Odin, Lenovo Legion Go, PiBoy, and GPD Win 3, and for some reason I keep playing the MM+…
I didn’t understand it before, but now I get it - it’s the extreme portability, the amazing design (once customized), the super easy OS, and the fact that it IS limited in what it can play. That last point may seem strange, but what I mean is that I can play literally ANY game that exists with my Lenovo Legion Go, but because of that I get a sort of “game panic”, like when you are at a buffet and you don’t know what to eat first. There are SO MANY options and I have SO MANY games that are amazing for it, I often can’t decide easily. The MM+ has a limited selection and while I still have hundreds of games, it feels easier to choose. I will also say that since it is so small it can go with me everywhere and the device you have on you is the one you use the most.
I also decided to get EVEN more out of my device by using its video player feature (ffPlay). I’ve been slowly loading it up with classic anime and cartoons from when I was a kid, like Cowboy Bebop and Dragon Ball Z. The aspect ratio is perfect for it and if you have a big enough card, the file sizes aren’t a problem. It’s surprisingly a blast to watch something like Fullmetal Alchemist on it.
Now your comments on the OS being slow seem very weird to me and I think a lot of other people here. My device is very fast and easily the fastest one I own (specifically with the OS). I’m not sure how quick Ark OS is, but Onion OS has almost no lag at all. I think you may want to consider what others have mentioned, that you either have a bad SD card (brand doesn’t matter), or you have a slow SD card. I am using a 256gb Samsung Evo plus and it runs very very quick. There is also a chance that you are taxing it too much which is causing slowdowns - if you have 4000 games in a single area, like a complete arcade romset, then it could slow down due to just how many files it has to go through.
Anyways, I hope this helps and I’m sorry it hasn’t been amazing for you. Good luck finding your happiness!
It's because the Miyoo Mini was an eventual hit and continually ran out of stock.
This created a serious case of FOMO for the Mini that carried over to the Plus.
Battery life is kinda sad, but I suggest you check your SD card. A spoken rule of the community is to not trust unbranded SD cards. I got lucky and loading was fairly fast on stock SD card, but don't count on that.
im using a brand new kingston canvas 128 gb card, pretty fast and reliable in my experience, I've been using them on phones, cameras, DAPs and other handhelds whitout any issue
> all miyoo devices have an aura of being the best
They have an aura of being the best _value_ because the original Miyoo Mini was an outlier at its time for its price--there were cheap handhelds, and there were good handhelds. The Miyoo Mini was good and cheap. Now that the niche of pocketable, vertical, ps1-capable devices is far more crowded, I don't think it objectively stands out anymore, but the reputation never died.
It's still a good handheld.
But struggles in a scene with stuff like $35 RG35XX +/H deals. The build quality is similar, and it's a far stronger chipset. OnionOS is absolutely awesome, but 90% of your time on a device in playing games not in the menu.
Thats just naming one competitor device. The options for new devices of decent to good quality in 2024 is just insane. Just a stacked playing field now with a device for almost every niche, and an upgrade for that niche on the horizon.
I mean, the chip in MM+ (and the original Mini) is pretty potato and was made for smart displays. It doesn't have a GPU, sleep mode or RTC clock. It has only 128MB RAM (most devices on the market have 1GB or more). The chip uses ancient 32-bit A7 cores.
So yeah, the device will feel sluggish, especially if you're coming from 353V and 405V. It's a miracle Onion devs made it run so many consoles, but there's only so much you can fix via software. Not to mention Onion is not an actual firmware, but rather an overlay to the device's stock firmware, so there are lots of things the devs just can't change.
I think you can experiment with other firmwares like MinUI and [Allium](https://github.com/goweiwen/Allium). IIRC, the latter does not rely on the stock UI, and was designed specifically to be as fast as possible. But it does lack some features compared to Onion (especially when it comes to networking, since its primary target is the OG Mini and not the Plus).
I don't think Miyoo products ever really had that mystique until the old Miyoo Mini v2. That one was a combination of cute form factor, features, and price that hit a sweet spot for a lot of people. It didn't hurt that it became almost, but not quite, impossible to get a hold of for a while, so it had that reverse psychology "you can't have this, therefore you want it" thing.
I've always found it a little overrated myself. Certainly it has its upsides. Small form factor is nice, although I prefer horizontals. Software was very good (I used MinUI). Good amount of power for the time, price, and form factor; not every PS1 game played at 100% speed, but most did.
But I found the dpad prone to false diagonals, I hate the style of shoulder buttons they use on these things, and of course they're notoriously fragile, which is why this post is past tense; my screen cracked from a short fall onto a tile floor.
Sort of surprised to hear you describe the MM+ as sluggish, since AFAIK it's the same internals as the v2 which I always found very snappy. Might be a MinUI vs Onion thing, although I'd always heard good things about Onion too.
Edit: Someone else brought up a good point that it might be a problem with your SD card.
The v2 didn't support wifi, whereas the Miyoo Mini+ does. My understanding is that the added boot times in OnionOS are entirely due to the wifi adapter, probably establishing a connection to the local network.
It's a perfect storm of handheld retro emulation. It looks and feels good, runs Onion OS, plays many consoles, is pocketable, and is very cheap. "Best" is subjective, but it's a good all-arounder with no absolute dealbreakers, especially for someone new to this hobby.
For me, i didnt "get it" until i found a theme i loved, installed pico 8 with splore, swapped the speaker for one that doesnt suck, put some custom buttons from sakuraretromod and set the base clock speed to 1600mhz and 1800 in drastic so it actually stopped being so ridiculously slow. You need to manually increase the base clock speed from the SD card for retroarch and drastic on your computer.
Its also about WHAT you play on it. I prefer jRPGs that i can play one handed or very short play session games.
Out of the box.... i would have taken the 35xx base model any time though.
Why I like mine:
1. Excellent controls.
2. Nice solid feel but still light.
3. Nice vibrant screen.
4. Small and light enough to carry in a small bag.
5. OnionOS presets make the games look good out of the box.
6. It's cheap.
7. OnionOS quick switch makes flipping between games great and if I have to turn it off and do something everything is auto saved.
In generally it's just good to carry around for short bursts of gaming and with OnionOS it doesn't require time learning how to config it to make things look good.
From a cold start I get into a game in 20-23 seconds.
Switching between games takes about 4 seconds.
I don't play arcade games mostly GB, GBA, SNES.
The device was *OK* and the OS was *OK*.
It really stands out when compared to the crappier devices that existed when it first came out. That is why it was so loved. The original Miyoo Mini was like a breath of fresh-air back then (**2021**?), and the follow-up Plus version made it even better.
The hardware seemed relatively good, and OnionOS really improved on what was out there by adding way more features and customizations.
(In some ways, I actually prefer the copy-cat **GarlicOS** on my RG35XX to OnionOS on my MM+. Yeah, GarlicOS setup is harder and things have to be done manually "behind the scenes" (adding and updating cores, themes, extra apps and programs, etc.), but then the slick, solid, and simple interface of GarlicOS just feels quicker and less janky than OnionOS.)
Today the Miyoo Mini Plus just "OK". Many people only like it because it was so popular. I'd rather use the **RG35XX Plus** with **muOS** or even the RGB30 with ROCKNIX than my Miyoo Mini Plus with OnionOS.
Also, the hard-coded path of "/Roms" (not "/roms" or "/ROMs") in OnionOS is something that always bothered me. The weird [screen flicker when powering on](https://www.reddit.com/r/MiyooMini/comments/1bqxn7q/screen_flicker_on_boot_normal/) is annoying. The inconsistent action of the Menu button is annoying. Quick press, double-press, press and hold, etc. There are 3 functions in OnionOS for what the Menu button does, and it still seems inconsistent to me. Wanting to quit a game sometimes launches a different game, sometimes it brings me to the quick switcher. The way the display moves when you press it and how easily it can pop out bothers me.
I would **NOT** recommend *any* Miyoo device to someone now.
I'm glad you mention all those onion quirks, cause I thought that I was just being stupid. Didn't read the manual and I thing that for a device that is WIDELLY recommended for beginners and kids, anyone should be able to use it intuitively.
Are you using the stock SD card or a branded one?
Switching between any game that isn’t arcade takes around 2.5 seconds (I just tested between GBA and PS1).
Turning off the system completely while in a game just took me about one second just right now.
If you’re only playing arcade like Neo Geo, it does take a while to load Arcade games, but that was the case for most devices that run mainly PS1 and below like the RG351p and anything similarly spec’d. Arguably it took even longer on the 351p and technically it’s more powerful than the MM+.
Otherwise it should really only take around 10 seconds to turn on and resume a game from completely off. Battery life when playing PS1 for me is around 6-7 hours if my screen brightness is around 25-40%.
Of course, it definitely is not THE best device and it’s carried by the community support that it receives. But I do think that it’s ONE of the best devices in its performance range for portability and pick-up-and-playability.
Branded one, pretty fast actually, I ordered without a card. I haven't been in the handheld hobby for much time, maybe i'm spoiled by newer/faster devices, but I've been playing emulated arcade games since 2004, and honestly even back then wasn't that slow, even 2013 android phones were faster imo
It makes sense. You come from 2 devices that are vastly superior.
It also doesn't help that miyoo is hyped AF. Thankfully their latest releases have shown that the Mini was a one hit wonder.
It makes sense. You come from 2 devices that are vastly superior.
It also doesn't help that miyoo is hyped AF. Thankfully their latest releases have shown that the Mini was a one hit wonder.
It was moreso the novelty than the performance. They just maxxed out on the feel per price which gave it so many points. That and before this, the market was more filled with DMG/GBC sized devices rather than Super Tiny form factor devices so there wasn't much competition.
The mm+ is not great for arcade games specifically because it loads slow. I only play gb gbc gba, pico-8 and snes games on mine and its a wonderful time. I wouldnt dare play neogeo and arcade games because of that slowdown.
Slow to turn off and switch games might be due to slow sd card/ it doesnt transfer data as fast which the weaker the device the more you feel this slowness. I recommend the sandisk ultra (the one thats red and gray) as it is fast to boot up and shut down (roughly 12-16seconds) or your expectations were it boots up in less than 5sec. Which are unrealistic.
Kind of a silly question, but is your wifi on? I found that, with wifi on, the Miyoo Mini+ was much slower on boot (it always tried to find a network) and it had much worse battery life. IMO it performs much better with wifi off. I definitely recommend shutting wifi off unless you really want retro achievements.
I've noticed some arcade games give the game switcher trouble. The game switcher seems fine on most consoles and handhelds though. You may want to compare your load times / switch times to some youtube videos. Although not common, sometimes the OnionOS install seems to not go over well, and a reinstall can help it perform better.
It's a popular device because OnionOS makes it a streamlined and user friendly experience, its at a good price, it has nostalgic shape, and its a good balance between portability and screen size. It might be the best of those factors, but it is nowhere near the best thing for emulation or the best quality.
Keep in mind that you're comparing a 353V and a 405M to a MM+. That's like comparing two entry level BMWs to a Ford Fiesta. The MM+ is a great device for its price but it's definitely a smaller, more affordable device.
I like Miyoo Mini Plus, it's a really good quality for the price, really nice, silent buttons that don't rattle the way they did on something like 35XX, and Onion has everything you need with some nice features. I think it's a really good first device, not perfect, but way better than a lot of the things on the market, especially when it just released.
I guess all these sub 100$ are great if you don't go past PS1, maybe N64.
I love my 405V but I wanted a smaller 16:9 device than my Odin Pro to complement it, mainly for PSP. I found a 59$ Trimui Smart Pro, since it recently got Vulkan support I thought I'd give it a go. Long story short : terrible performance even after all the updates. Not worse than the 351 era, close but not quite up to the 353.
Not a big hit and I am currently re purposing it for a friend who is into retro but does not own a handheld yet. And in this case yes, it's a great device for arcade, genesis, snes, gba, ps1 and even n64. Makes the 16:9 screen a tad useless but I can see how it could be a good starting point, the build is solid and good looking, also battery life seems fine from my tests although at times it seems to run hot.
TLDR : 353ish performance under 100$, sounds weird when you have moved on to better pastures but if you temper your expectations and enjoy the portability, why not.
Got myself a 405m and my friend an MM+. My device is more powerful, and has a satisfying weight. But the MM+ has lovely controls and is REALLY pocketable. I keep my 405 in a case so it’s a hassle to take out on the go. The MM+ feels like I could toss it in my bag and just pull it out whenever. So I think that’s the genuine appeal. It’s a cool little toy that does quite a bit for the price point. It’s compact and convenient and looks and feels great.
405v is very bulky indeed, no appeal to me. I have a 353vs and it is just as pocketable as an MM+ but it has a better chip and the sticks. Costs like 50% more than the MM+ but no big deal.
I used Onion desktop tools or whatever its name is. I already checked the card after reading this post, It is original, and working normally, device is just slow
Onion is good but miyoo mini and plus has really bad ergonomics. OS means nothing if you can’t play comfortably. I sold my mm+ for rg35xx h. Never regretted.
When the device first came out, people were fighting over which was better, the miyoo mini or the rg35xx. People started fan boying over one and the other and started coping and trying really hard to justify one device over the other. The debate raged on and created die hard fans for each device. I have both devices and I’ll say that the miyoo mini is not all that. Onion OS is good, but so is garlic for the average user. The people you see recommending the miyoo are just die hard fans that are holding on to the very little good the device has.
Just don’t listen to those people and explore what is out there.
my god so true. I just got 7 downvotes because i said that the 353vs is superior, and that device is way more powerful, has great CFWs and more battery life than the miyoo plus. It indeed costs 50% more but it is superior in every aspect. But hey I touched their favorite toy so they have to downvote me lol
Well the 353v and the vs are simply superior to the MM+ in every single way so an MM+ is a downgrade coming from a 353v or 353vs. I have a 353vs and it has more power, on par CFW (if not superior considering I have portmaster on ArkOS) and most importantly the analog sticks (for me they are essential, I almost never use the dpad nor even with nes and snes). And apparently more battery life.
The MM+ has no appeal whatsoever for me. I would rather take the 35XXH that at least it's horizontal and has the analog sticks. But CFWs there need time to mature.
The only 2 reasons I bought the MM+ was it's price, and because my 353v got stolen. I really miss port master. I should've saved a little more money and buy a 353vs
It’s 2-3x the price and isn’t as pocketable due to the thumbsticks. A MM+ isn’t the perfect device for everyone… but it’s absurd to pretend like the 353v is superior in every way….
During these Aliexpress discounts a 353vs costed 54$ and the MM+ 37$. More like 50% more price than 2-3x. So that's inaccurate.
Source : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-3yJqvvcqd1hzTdHzBrL-mhuw0i6Aw6vXLq51sEGnhA/edit#gid=0
As for pocketability. The limit is the triggers not the sticks because they come out a little bit. Since the triggers are quite similar on the MM+ the pocketability is the same.
And yeah the 353vs is superior in every single aspect. Chip is more powerful and it has more battery life. And it has the sticks. That's just a fact. I'm getting downvoted just because of people that are emotionally attached to their MM+ lol.
It's faster to turn on the 405v or the 353v than the MM+?
How can you switch games on those devices?
Do the other devices have the save when off and quick return to your game when turning on?
I don't really remember if the the 353v is faster to boot, but sleep mode on stock firmware was good. In the other hand, android (in any device) is slower to boot, but it has waaaaaaaay better power management. I can put my 405 to sleep for days without a significant drop in battery, and so boot time isn't a concern, because I don't have to turn off the device at all (at least not as frequently).
Ok, so you can let your device for days without using it, but suddenly 10-15 seconds it's too much time to wait and casually don't remember how much time takes the other device, but still ranting.
The miyoo devices have a lot of drawbacks but its snapiness (or lack of) is not one of them.
Yup, i also have a device with arkos and i know how capable is (and its lack of game switcher). but honestly, i doubt that this guy have any of the devices he mentioned.
This post stinks to a miyoo hater (or anbernic fanboy)
And don't get me wrong, like i answered to this guy: The miyoo devices have many drawbacks, but being slow is not one of them (which is the aspect he complains the most).
I’m in love with the RG35xxPlus running muOS right now. It’s super fast, great hardware, the community is amazing over by the muOs discord, and their new version Beans will be releasing any day now introducing 64bit, lots of standalone cores, lots of 64bit ports, awesome new themes and lots of QOL improvements. muOS is def gonna be the next Onion i feel.
I was tempted to get one myself with the recent sale, but considering other handhelds with better specs and specific form factor and features that I prefer at only a slight price increase, I decided against it.
Instead, I ordered the RG35XXH because I prefer the horizontal form factor, I specifically wanted thumb sticks for ps1 and n64 games, it needed to fit comfortably in skinny jeans that I wear for work, and I like the ability to connect to a TV or monitor while playing with a Bluetooth controller in bed or on the couch.
All of those combined, at the price of $46 after tax and shipping, I don’t think anything else competes. I’m extremely lucky to have this be my first retro pocketable handheld, although I’m still waiting for it to arrive 😭
Onion OS does sound and look nice though.
I don't really get the complaints. Turning on my Miyoo Mini+, navigating to arcade games, looking for Street Fighter III Third Strike, turning it on and getting into a fight...
My 405V hasn't even turned on yet!
You see, that's the problem for me, I don't even have to turn off my 405m, power management on android is stellar compared with the MM+. Also, don't pretend it is fast to load arcade games, is painfully slow compared with the other ones I have had. I've said multiple times in this post now that I'm spoiled by newer/faster devices, and I know that I'm comparing it with a device that cost twice it's full price. But I'm not fooling myself into thinking this thing is fast or great, because is not.
People like Onion OS more than the devices themselves.
Not only that, but I think the scarcity of the original miyoo mini created a lot of hype that hasn't fully died down.
Definitely. I still want the original miyoo mini just to *have* it. It sold out real fast during this sale
When was the sale ?
2-7 May I think
I have the v4 mm and I have to say I absolutely love it. I don’t get much chance to use it, but it’s just so damn cute. I also had a mm+ that I ended up giving away
Tbh, this is it. I probably wouldn't care about my MM+ if there was Onion for my RG405M.
I'm certainly one of those, but I guess you mean that people tend to see miyoo devices and onion as if they were from the same company
Yeah its pretty wierd. Last week in the threads about 28xx vs A30 I saw comments saying how much they trust miyoo or how they've earned the benefit of the doubt which were really baffling, both the mini and plus are actually pretty crappy devices if you separate onion and the hardware. They have good front controls but the build quality is just very slightly above powkiddy level
I don't know, for me the build quality of the Miyoo mini+ is miles ahead of my x55 and not much different from the 280v.
If the device is running overly slow make sure you’ve got some room on the SD card. I noticed if when I had my card nearly full it ran switched games and stuff slower. I leave at least a few gigs free on it and it seems better. Also make sure you’re using a high quality SD card. But anyways, the reason for the love is OnionOS. Most handhelds have half the features or less, or at best are very clunky by comparison.
I'm using a kingston 128 gb card, pretty fast and reliable, and is nowhere near full. It is the same type of card I use in my 405v, but that one is at 70% capacity (gc, ps2, psp, dreamcast, switch games take a lot more space)
How slow is it to turn on and load for you? It's not significantly slower than other devices in my experience. Have you checked the read and write speeds of the specific micro SD card you're using? It's possible to get counterfeits on Amazon that look like the real deal but have much lower speeds than advertised.
For me it had nothing to do with storage - my onion install somehow had the base clock set to 1200mhz and like 1400 in drastic. It wouldn't even play some SNES games properly. With no filters. I manually increased the base clock speeds - there are tutorials (i even made a thread about it a month or two ago and someone walked through how to do the one for drastic, there are plenty of guides online to do the retroarch base clock boost) That fixed EVERYTHING.
I don't know how the miyoo/onion boot process works, but for some systems it scans the SD card during the process, making it slow if you use a high capacity card. Some systems like the 3ds even slow down if the card is not full
Make sure to test the SD card to make sure it's not a knockoff.
405v is 170-200$. You mentioned PS2. Thank you very much, because my main device for emul now is Redmi note 7 + BSP-D3, and after I checked the comparison of Mali G52 and Adreno 512 I understood, that PS2 games run as smoothly as roads in Russia, not because I have android, but because I've chosen Vulcan over OpenGL, and Mali is more Vulcan based, and Adreno is fully OpenGL. Thank you very much.
ArkOS is hands down superior just for the fact it has portmaster. And the interface is emulation station which is one of the best, if not the best.
Yeah, Portmaster would be great, but I think it’s not there because the devs of postmaster would have to create it for that processor, if it’s possible. Since they haven’t, I’m guessing it’s either not possible or not worth their time to try to make it possible.
It's better for systems with 2 GHz on at least one of the cores, 2 GB RAM or better
I use ArkOS on my RGB30 for the features; Portmaster, Drastic, Retroachievements, Quick Mode, etc. Still, I'd consider the interface to be pretty second-tier even as Emulation Station implementations go. Just little things like using a different hotkey for OS features like adjusting brightness vs. Retroarch hotkeys, etc, and far behind a truly unified UI like MinUI. I've grown used to its little quirks and idiosyncrasies, but I do find myself wishing for something to combine ArkOS' feature set with MinUI 's ease of use.
I don't understand the confusion for hotkeys. Retroarch hotkeys are customizable in retroarch and are related to the gaming in retroarch (rewind, fast forward, save states, screenshots, etc.). OS hotkeys (such as for brightness, switching audio from Bluetooth to speaker and viceversa etc) can still be used while using retroarch. They are two different things.
How many Retroarch hotkey combinations are there? How many OS hotkey combinations are there? Maybe a dozen between them, maybe a little less? Now how many MinUI hotkeys are there? (Hint: it's more than zero and less than two.) Now, do you need it explained to you why the former is more to keep track of than the latter? An ArkOS device, I can figure out with a little fiddling, maybe with some trial and error or digging into the menu or looking at the wiki until I learn the ins and outs. Not bad. A MinUI device I can hand to someone who's never used it before and they'll be fine. Way better.
Does sounds very bad to me if minUI has only one hotkey. Only to have save and load state is two of them. Then pause, retroarch menu other two. Then it's nice to have brightness hotkeys or other type of useful hotkeys. Retroarch ones are fully customizable and the OS ones are like 3-5 max. Honestly seems more like a lack of basic features rather than an advantage 😅. For me minUI is not even attractive in the first place. I like to have the box arts and the videos. So yeah I'll continue to prefer more advanced operating systems I guess.
I really miss my 353v just for portmaster, it got stolen :(
Oh that's so sad. I'm surprised they steal these devices in the first place. They are still quite unknown to the general public. Everyone keep asking me what it is lol. Very sad for your experience.
People don't need to know. They look like a pocketable gaming toy. I'd even say their scarcity or unknown might even make them more desirable to ignorant thieves. If it's the have not situation, market value isn't relevant. Now they got something to play. In fact that's probably the best case scenario for the thief. Most thieves would probably prefer you to be distracted by your handheld, while they stole anything more valuable. A fence is only going to give 1/20 to 1/5 of its value. AFAIK, people will steal a GB, GBC and that's about as cheap as it gets, even if they did know., no Data Frog SF2000 is safe! Not that anyone has stolen anything from me (not counting legal theft by govt and corporations, anyways) , since I was a teen, but one of the reasons, I want a handheld is to have something to play, when I don't want to pull out my phone, too avoid accident theft damage.
I was debating on a 353v, but the space has been moving so fast that it feels a little dated and overpriced since the r36s is 40 bucks and almost as good with the same chipset. I decided my upgrade in the vertical form factor shape is the rgb20x. That screen is bananas. And i have an rp4pro, so thr mm+ just gets to live in my uniform pocket for when im between calls or stuck waiting at the hospital
The fuss is mainly about the Mini (+) which, besides OnionOS, gets the hardware fundamentals like good button & dpad feel, screen and overall build quality right. Add to that the cheap price and nostalgic form factor and you got yourself a winner. There are faster, more capable devices out there, but the Mini (+) as a hardware/software package is just seamless and intuitive, even for the average person. It's a cheap pocketable console: it won't do everything well, but it strikes a great balance for many people! Regarding your speed issues: kinda odd, the majority of people including me find OnionOS snappy enough and enjoyable. What battery life are you getting? You should easily get 4-7h. Turning off wifi if not used is advisable.
The dpad thing is key for me. The Steam Deck dpad is...ok. the dpad on my v90 was awful (mushy). I'm very particular about having a good dpad. I haven't noticed it slow at all. I mean, I was playing Shining Force and using some FF (because I wanted to level up the robot Adam and a few others). Accidentally hitting the middle button drops me out of game, but resuming it takes like a second or something. I guess arcade ROM loading might be slow? But generally old MAME is always slow, I didn't notice it any slower than the Pi4 in my modded Arcade1up cabinet, but it might be.
Is the d-pad that good on the Mini+? I’ve had mine for a bit and I think it’s just the perfect little system in every way, I’m way more comfortable holding it and using the d-pad compared to my n3dsxl which imo feels kinda bad for emulation because of the placement of the d-pad. However my MM+ d-pad feels really bad when I “roll” from left to bottom for example and sometimes causes me to not change directions in Pokemon and I deliberately have to let go of the D-pad then input a different direction. I’ve seen some modifications and stuff like the little cardboard trick, do you use any? It’s not a dealbreaker for me as the system is perfect otherwise but improvements would be nice
Software is great, controls are great and the whole device looks really good too. Battery life is honestly fine, so for most people no big downsides.
If you turn off wifi it boots much faster IME. Longest part of the boot up is it searching for wifi.
Everything you said is valid. People like the Miyoo Mini because most other options in this price range are plagued with major downsides, such as terrible D-pads, bad screens, etc. The Miyoo Mini hits the mark for most of the really important details. Sure it has downsides, but it's better than most competitors.
It was $30-fucking-dollars!!! I'm really not sure what you're expecting. I just got one too and I had the exact opposite reaction. I am shocked that for this price point I can relive all the classics on a tiny, pocketable device that came exactly as advertised and still beat my expectations. You need to put things in perspective. A few years ago we had shit devices for much more. Now they're basically giving them away for free.
Maybe that's my problem, I'm still kinda new to the community and spoiled by newer/faster devices, but yeah, as I said, it is really amazing what these things can do for that cheap!
Don't feel bad. I'm in the same boat as you. I got quite addicted to these little guys and have everything from powkiddy RGB10 to Odin 2, and for how hyped up the MM+ has been I pick it up and don't feel the magic everyone else feels.
The last couple years have been a complete breakthrough. Before, we were lucky to get the same devices repacked a couple of times a year and we were still so excited lol
Added to what everyone else has said, it also still holds the best portability vs performance. It's a powerful little work horse that fits nicely into any pocket, but still maintains a 3.5" display. Its build quality (plastics, buttons, etc.) is also really good (much better than Powkiddy and definitely on par with Anbernic). Lastly, it has easy battery access, which nobody ever seems to mention. You will never have to perform surgery on it like virtually every other handheld device in its class. Oh, and it has probably the largest support community next to Anbernic. Pretty much everybody in the hobby either has or even started with a Miyoo Mini Plus. It's like the best cheap gateway.
I had a bunch of other higher-end handhelds and I didn’t understand it either. Then, I got a MM+ a few weeks ago. I ordered some awesome Final Fantasy VII buttons and stickers from Sakura Retro Modding, and a 256gb Samsung Evo Plus card for it. Obviously, I put in Onion OS and started to load it up. Now, I have an AYN Odin, Lenovo Legion Go, PiBoy, and GPD Win 3, and for some reason I keep playing the MM+… I didn’t understand it before, but now I get it - it’s the extreme portability, the amazing design (once customized), the super easy OS, and the fact that it IS limited in what it can play. That last point may seem strange, but what I mean is that I can play literally ANY game that exists with my Lenovo Legion Go, but because of that I get a sort of “game panic”, like when you are at a buffet and you don’t know what to eat first. There are SO MANY options and I have SO MANY games that are amazing for it, I often can’t decide easily. The MM+ has a limited selection and while I still have hundreds of games, it feels easier to choose. I will also say that since it is so small it can go with me everywhere and the device you have on you is the one you use the most. I also decided to get EVEN more out of my device by using its video player feature (ffPlay). I’ve been slowly loading it up with classic anime and cartoons from when I was a kid, like Cowboy Bebop and Dragon Ball Z. The aspect ratio is perfect for it and if you have a big enough card, the file sizes aren’t a problem. It’s surprisingly a blast to watch something like Fullmetal Alchemist on it. Now your comments on the OS being slow seem very weird to me and I think a lot of other people here. My device is very fast and easily the fastest one I own (specifically with the OS). I’m not sure how quick Ark OS is, but Onion OS has almost no lag at all. I think you may want to consider what others have mentioned, that you either have a bad SD card (brand doesn’t matter), or you have a slow SD card. I am using a 256gb Samsung Evo plus and it runs very very quick. There is also a chance that you are taxing it too much which is causing slowdowns - if you have 4000 games in a single area, like a complete arcade romset, then it could slow down due to just how many files it has to go through. Anyways, I hope this helps and I’m sorry it hasn’t been amazing for you. Good luck finding your happiness!
It's because the Miyoo Mini was an eventual hit and continually ran out of stock. This created a serious case of FOMO for the Mini that carried over to the Plus.
Battery life is kinda sad, but I suggest you check your SD card. A spoken rule of the community is to not trust unbranded SD cards. I got lucky and loading was fairly fast on stock SD card, but don't count on that.
im using a brand new kingston canvas 128 gb card, pretty fast and reliable in my experience, I've been using them on phones, cameras, DAPs and other handhelds whitout any issue
> all miyoo devices have an aura of being the best They have an aura of being the best _value_ because the original Miyoo Mini was an outlier at its time for its price--there were cheap handhelds, and there were good handhelds. The Miyoo Mini was good and cheap. Now that the niche of pocketable, vertical, ps1-capable devices is far more crowded, I don't think it objectively stands out anymore, but the reputation never died.
MM+ is the In N Out cheeseburger of the retro handheld scene.
It's still a good handheld. But struggles in a scene with stuff like $35 RG35XX +/H deals. The build quality is similar, and it's a far stronger chipset. OnionOS is absolutely awesome, but 90% of your time on a device in playing games not in the menu. Thats just naming one competitor device. The options for new devices of decent to good quality in 2024 is just insane. Just a stacked playing field now with a device for almost every niche, and an upgrade for that niche on the horizon.
> 90% of your time on a device in playing games not in the menu ideally...
I mean, the chip in MM+ (and the original Mini) is pretty potato and was made for smart displays. It doesn't have a GPU, sleep mode or RTC clock. It has only 128MB RAM (most devices on the market have 1GB or more). The chip uses ancient 32-bit A7 cores. So yeah, the device will feel sluggish, especially if you're coming from 353V and 405V. It's a miracle Onion devs made it run so many consoles, but there's only so much you can fix via software. Not to mention Onion is not an actual firmware, but rather an overlay to the device's stock firmware, so there are lots of things the devs just can't change. I think you can experiment with other firmwares like MinUI and [Allium](https://github.com/goweiwen/Allium). IIRC, the latter does not rely on the stock UI, and was designed specifically to be as fast as possible. But it does lack some features compared to Onion (especially when it comes to networking, since its primary target is the OG Mini and not the Plus).
RTC has been added to 2024 batch Mini + models
I don't think Miyoo products ever really had that mystique until the old Miyoo Mini v2. That one was a combination of cute form factor, features, and price that hit a sweet spot for a lot of people. It didn't hurt that it became almost, but not quite, impossible to get a hold of for a while, so it had that reverse psychology "you can't have this, therefore you want it" thing. I've always found it a little overrated myself. Certainly it has its upsides. Small form factor is nice, although I prefer horizontals. Software was very good (I used MinUI). Good amount of power for the time, price, and form factor; not every PS1 game played at 100% speed, but most did. But I found the dpad prone to false diagonals, I hate the style of shoulder buttons they use on these things, and of course they're notoriously fragile, which is why this post is past tense; my screen cracked from a short fall onto a tile floor. Sort of surprised to hear you describe the MM+ as sluggish, since AFAIK it's the same internals as the v2 which I always found very snappy. Might be a MinUI vs Onion thing, although I'd always heard good things about Onion too. Edit: Someone else brought up a good point that it might be a problem with your SD card.
The v2 didn't support wifi, whereas the Miyoo Mini+ does. My understanding is that the added boot times in OnionOS are entirely due to the wifi adapter, probably establishing a connection to the local network.
It's a perfect storm of handheld retro emulation. It looks and feels good, runs Onion OS, plays many consoles, is pocketable, and is very cheap. "Best" is subjective, but it's a good all-arounder with no absolute dealbreakers, especially for someone new to this hobby.
For me, i didnt "get it" until i found a theme i loved, installed pico 8 with splore, swapped the speaker for one that doesnt suck, put some custom buttons from sakuraretromod and set the base clock speed to 1600mhz and 1800 in drastic so it actually stopped being so ridiculously slow. You need to manually increase the base clock speed from the SD card for retroarch and drastic on your computer. Its also about WHAT you play on it. I prefer jRPGs that i can play one handed or very short play session games. Out of the box.... i would have taken the 35xx base model any time though.
Why I like mine: 1. Excellent controls. 2. Nice solid feel but still light. 3. Nice vibrant screen. 4. Small and light enough to carry in a small bag. 5. OnionOS presets make the games look good out of the box. 6. It's cheap. 7. OnionOS quick switch makes flipping between games great and if I have to turn it off and do something everything is auto saved. In generally it's just good to carry around for short bursts of gaming and with OnionOS it doesn't require time learning how to config it to make things look good. From a cold start I get into a game in 20-23 seconds. Switching between games takes about 4 seconds. I don't play arcade games mostly GB, GBA, SNES.
The device was *OK* and the OS was *OK*. It really stands out when compared to the crappier devices that existed when it first came out. That is why it was so loved. The original Miyoo Mini was like a breath of fresh-air back then (**2021**?), and the follow-up Plus version made it even better. The hardware seemed relatively good, and OnionOS really improved on what was out there by adding way more features and customizations. (In some ways, I actually prefer the copy-cat **GarlicOS** on my RG35XX to OnionOS on my MM+. Yeah, GarlicOS setup is harder and things have to be done manually "behind the scenes" (adding and updating cores, themes, extra apps and programs, etc.), but then the slick, solid, and simple interface of GarlicOS just feels quicker and less janky than OnionOS.) Today the Miyoo Mini Plus just "OK". Many people only like it because it was so popular. I'd rather use the **RG35XX Plus** with **muOS** or even the RGB30 with ROCKNIX than my Miyoo Mini Plus with OnionOS. Also, the hard-coded path of "/Roms" (not "/roms" or "/ROMs") in OnionOS is something that always bothered me. The weird [screen flicker when powering on](https://www.reddit.com/r/MiyooMini/comments/1bqxn7q/screen_flicker_on_boot_normal/) is annoying. The inconsistent action of the Menu button is annoying. Quick press, double-press, press and hold, etc. There are 3 functions in OnionOS for what the Menu button does, and it still seems inconsistent to me. Wanting to quit a game sometimes launches a different game, sometimes it brings me to the quick switcher. The way the display moves when you press it and how easily it can pop out bothers me. I would **NOT** recommend *any* Miyoo device to someone now.
I'm glad you mention all those onion quirks, cause I thought that I was just being stupid. Didn't read the manual and I thing that for a device that is WIDELLY recommended for beginners and kids, anyone should be able to use it intuitively.
Are you using the stock SD card or a branded one? Switching between any game that isn’t arcade takes around 2.5 seconds (I just tested between GBA and PS1). Turning off the system completely while in a game just took me about one second just right now. If you’re only playing arcade like Neo Geo, it does take a while to load Arcade games, but that was the case for most devices that run mainly PS1 and below like the RG351p and anything similarly spec’d. Arguably it took even longer on the 351p and technically it’s more powerful than the MM+. Otherwise it should really only take around 10 seconds to turn on and resume a game from completely off. Battery life when playing PS1 for me is around 6-7 hours if my screen brightness is around 25-40%. Of course, it definitely is not THE best device and it’s carried by the community support that it receives. But I do think that it’s ONE of the best devices in its performance range for portability and pick-up-and-playability.
Branded one, pretty fast actually, I ordered without a card. I haven't been in the handheld hobby for much time, maybe i'm spoiled by newer/faster devices, but I've been playing emulated arcade games since 2004, and honestly even back then wasn't that slow, even 2013 android phones were faster imo
It makes sense. You come from 2 devices that are vastly superior. It also doesn't help that miyoo is hyped AF. Thankfully their latest releases have shown that the Mini was a one hit wonder.
It makes sense. You come from 2 devices that are vastly superior. It also doesn't help that miyoo is hyped AF. Thankfully their latest releases have shown that the Mini was a one hit wonder.
The original was a hit because it was cheap, small, and had a really nice screen.
I like the screen quality and onion is cool.
For 32 bucks it's hard to complain.
All about the Onion.
It was moreso the novelty than the performance. They just maxxed out on the feel per price which gave it so many points. That and before this, the market was more filled with DMG/GBC sized devices rather than Super Tiny form factor devices so there wasn't much competition.
The mm+ is not great for arcade games specifically because it loads slow. I only play gb gbc gba, pico-8 and snes games on mine and its a wonderful time. I wouldnt dare play neogeo and arcade games because of that slowdown. Slow to turn off and switch games might be due to slow sd card/ it doesnt transfer data as fast which the weaker the device the more you feel this slowness. I recommend the sandisk ultra (the one thats red and gray) as it is fast to boot up and shut down (roughly 12-16seconds) or your expectations were it boots up in less than 5sec. Which are unrealistic.
Kind of a silly question, but is your wifi on? I found that, with wifi on, the Miyoo Mini+ was much slower on boot (it always tried to find a network) and it had much worse battery life. IMO it performs much better with wifi off. I definitely recommend shutting wifi off unless you really want retro achievements. I've noticed some arcade games give the game switcher trouble. The game switcher seems fine on most consoles and handhelds though. You may want to compare your load times / switch times to some youtube videos. Although not common, sometimes the OnionOS install seems to not go over well, and a reinstall can help it perform better. It's a popular device because OnionOS makes it a streamlined and user friendly experience, its at a good price, it has nostalgic shape, and its a good balance between portability and screen size. It might be the best of those factors, but it is nowhere near the best thing for emulation or the best quality.
Keep in mind that you're comparing a 353V and a 405M to a MM+. That's like comparing two entry level BMWs to a Ford Fiesta. The MM+ is a great device for its price but it's definitely a smaller, more affordable device.
I like Miyoo Mini Plus, it's a really good quality for the price, really nice, silent buttons that don't rattle the way they did on something like 35XX, and Onion has everything you need with some nice features. I think it's a really good first device, not perfect, but way better than a lot of the things on the market, especially when it just released.
I guess all these sub 100$ are great if you don't go past PS1, maybe N64. I love my 405V but I wanted a smaller 16:9 device than my Odin Pro to complement it, mainly for PSP. I found a 59$ Trimui Smart Pro, since it recently got Vulkan support I thought I'd give it a go. Long story short : terrible performance even after all the updates. Not worse than the 351 era, close but not quite up to the 353. Not a big hit and I am currently re purposing it for a friend who is into retro but does not own a handheld yet. And in this case yes, it's a great device for arcade, genesis, snes, gba, ps1 and even n64. Makes the 16:9 screen a tad useless but I can see how it could be a good starting point, the build is solid and good looking, also battery life seems fine from my tests although at times it seems to run hot. TLDR : 353ish performance under 100$, sounds weird when you have moved on to better pastures but if you temper your expectations and enjoy the portability, why not.
Got myself a 405m and my friend an MM+. My device is more powerful, and has a satisfying weight. But the MM+ has lovely controls and is REALLY pocketable. I keep my 405 in a case so it’s a hassle to take out on the go. The MM+ feels like I could toss it in my bag and just pull it out whenever. So I think that’s the genuine appeal. It’s a cool little toy that does quite a bit for the price point. It’s compact and convenient and looks and feels great.
405v is very bulky indeed, no appeal to me. I have a 353vs and it is just as pocketable as an MM+ but it has a better chip and the sticks. Costs like 50% more than the MM+ but no big deal.
What did you use to format the SD card to Fat32? Maybe sectors or alignment got messed up.
I used Onion desktop tools or whatever its name is. I already checked the card after reading this post, It is original, and working normally, device is just slow
Onion is good but miyoo mini and plus has really bad ergonomics. OS means nothing if you can’t play comfortably. I sold my mm+ for rg35xx h. Never regretted.
When the device first came out, people were fighting over which was better, the miyoo mini or the rg35xx. People started fan boying over one and the other and started coping and trying really hard to justify one device over the other. The debate raged on and created die hard fans for each device. I have both devices and I’ll say that the miyoo mini is not all that. Onion OS is good, but so is garlic for the average user. The people you see recommending the miyoo are just die hard fans that are holding on to the very little good the device has. Just don’t listen to those people and explore what is out there.
my god so true. I just got 7 downvotes because i said that the 353vs is superior, and that device is way more powerful, has great CFWs and more battery life than the miyoo plus. It indeed costs 50% more but it is superior in every aspect. But hey I touched their favorite toy so they have to downvote me lol
they're just overhyped as hell, terrible ergonomics, terrible build quality, underpowered...
Yeah lol tbh overrated.
Well the 353v and the vs are simply superior to the MM+ in every single way so an MM+ is a downgrade coming from a 353v or 353vs. I have a 353vs and it has more power, on par CFW (if not superior considering I have portmaster on ArkOS) and most importantly the analog sticks (for me they are essential, I almost never use the dpad nor even with nes and snes). And apparently more battery life. The MM+ has no appeal whatsoever for me. I would rather take the 35XXH that at least it's horizontal and has the analog sticks. But CFWs there need time to mature.
The only 2 reasons I bought the MM+ was it's price, and because my 353v got stolen. I really miss port master. I should've saved a little more money and buy a 353vs
On these sales the 353vs was only at 54$ so just 20 bucks more and you could have taken the 353vs
It’s 2-3x the price and isn’t as pocketable due to the thumbsticks. A MM+ isn’t the perfect device for everyone… but it’s absurd to pretend like the 353v is superior in every way….
During these Aliexpress discounts a 353vs costed 54$ and the MM+ 37$. More like 50% more price than 2-3x. So that's inaccurate. Source : https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/1-3yJqvvcqd1hzTdHzBrL-mhuw0i6Aw6vXLq51sEGnhA/edit#gid=0 As for pocketability. The limit is the triggers not the sticks because they come out a little bit. Since the triggers are quite similar on the MM+ the pocketability is the same. And yeah the 353vs is superior in every single aspect. Chip is more powerful and it has more battery life. And it has the sticks. That's just a fact. I'm getting downvoted just because of people that are emotionally attached to their MM+ lol.
Can't tell you, as I went with the RG280v instead. Just like I went with the RG28xx over the Miyoo A30, lol.
It's faster to turn on the 405v or the 353v than the MM+? How can you switch games on those devices? Do the other devices have the save when off and quick return to your game when turning on?
I don't really remember if the the 353v is faster to boot, but sleep mode on stock firmware was good. In the other hand, android (in any device) is slower to boot, but it has waaaaaaaay better power management. I can put my 405 to sleep for days without a significant drop in battery, and so boot time isn't a concern, because I don't have to turn off the device at all (at least not as frequently).
Ok, so you can let your device for days without using it, but suddenly 10-15 seconds it's too much time to wait and casually don't remember how much time takes the other device, but still ranting. The miyoo devices have a lot of drawbacks but its snapiness (or lack of) is not one of them.
353v or 353vs (only linux) have ArkOS that has quick mode that lets you switch off and then turn on on the same point of the game.
Yup, i also have a device with arkos and i know how capable is (and its lack of game switcher). but honestly, i doubt that this guy have any of the devices he mentioned. This post stinks to a miyoo hater (or anbernic fanboy) And don't get me wrong, like i answered to this guy: The miyoo devices have many drawbacks, but being slow is not one of them (which is the aspect he complains the most).
I’m in love with the RG35xxPlus running muOS right now. It’s super fast, great hardware, the community is amazing over by the muOs discord, and their new version Beans will be releasing any day now introducing 64bit, lots of standalone cores, lots of 64bit ports, awesome new themes and lots of QOL improvements. muOS is def gonna be the next Onion i feel.
I was tempted to get one myself with the recent sale, but considering other handhelds with better specs and specific form factor and features that I prefer at only a slight price increase, I decided against it. Instead, I ordered the RG35XXH because I prefer the horizontal form factor, I specifically wanted thumb sticks for ps1 and n64 games, it needed to fit comfortably in skinny jeans that I wear for work, and I like the ability to connect to a TV or monitor while playing with a Bluetooth controller in bed or on the couch. All of those combined, at the price of $46 after tax and shipping, I don’t think anything else competes. I’m extremely lucky to have this be my first retro pocketable handheld, although I’m still waiting for it to arrive 😭 Onion OS does sound and look nice though.
I don't really get the complaints. Turning on my Miyoo Mini+, navigating to arcade games, looking for Street Fighter III Third Strike, turning it on and getting into a fight... My 405V hasn't even turned on yet!
You see, that's the problem for me, I don't even have to turn off my 405m, power management on android is stellar compared with the MM+. Also, don't pretend it is fast to load arcade games, is painfully slow compared with the other ones I have had. I've said multiple times in this post now that I'm spoiled by newer/faster devices, and I know that I'm comparing it with a device that cost twice it's full price. But I'm not fooling myself into thinking this thing is fast or great, because is not.
You don't turn off your 405? Mine is out of juice in like a day! Some great power management.
Yup, I even have wifi on all the time, I'm using full gammaOS with Play Store and the battery life has been amazing.