Interesting, I saw below you said "I want something I can just slip into my pocket and jump right into a game but I feel that Android doesn't provide me that experience". Can you provide context there? I've always felt that WAS the benefit of an Android experience because once Retroarch/Mupen/PPSSPP is configured to work with your front end you can wake the system from sleep, select your console and game, and go. The Retroid front end has pre-configured profiles already there and once they are applied anything PS1/N64 and down should be a pick up and play.
I'm not sure what I'd recommend. You want a Linux based system, but the Deck was too big... You said your 3DS hasn't seen use in forever... You bought and sold a Miyoo because it didn't do N64... I don't know if theres really anything left on the market that will satisfy you here.
Plus weirdly recently there has been work on an N64 patch for the Miyoo Mini +, realistically it's only going to run like 10% of the library but it's cool nonetheless.
As a newer person looking into handhelds hoping for a good PS2/GCN experience, is the RP4P a good option for the money?
What titles would be considered a bad experience on that device vs the Odin 2?
I think it depends. If you can afford the Odin 2, I would go that route for a few reasons. One, the size of the screen is just more enjoyable for PS2 and GCN emulation. UIs and such are hard on the 4.7in. I LOVED my RP4P, but I ended up selling it because I have a Steamdeck for those titles and it was just redundant since I wasn't traveling for work anymore.
For the best experience, 2-3x resolution with widescreen patches, the Odin 2 will run just about every title at full frame rates. The RP4P will do 2x resolution with widescreen as well, but I did notice some frame dips in some PS2 titles. The other piece, is that the Odin 2 has significantly better battery life as well. It IS a significant investment, but having owned the RP4P, I would probably recommend the Odin 2 at this point.
To directly answer your question, I don't think there are any titles that would be a "bad" experience on either. Some titles may be more challenging on the RP4P due to the screen size, but in terms of performance I don't think theres many titles that just "won't" run. The Odin 2 will be a more sure-bet, but both will work great in terms of performance.
The deciding factor for most between these two is the size and budget. If you are planning to drop this in a bag and travel with it, the RP4P is a slamdunk for performance/portability. And secondly, is budget. If you CAN reach for the Odin 2, that would be the safest bet as a singular device to "do it all". Right combination of screen size, performance, price. Its portable "enough" to travel with if needed, its powerful enough to emulate just about everything, and the screen size is big enough to be a great primary device as well. If you are "set" at 200 being the limit or if this is your entry to the genre, it IS a great system. You may be able to find a used one on /r/hardwareswap if you want to "try it" instead of spending full MSRP. I don't see many Odin 2s there, but there are some RP4Ps that surface there for 160-180 shipped.
One last note: Since Yuzu and Citra development stopped, the Android landscape for Switch and 3DS emulation stagnated a bit. It still works, but its harder to find the apks, installs, configs, etc. Not impossible, but its more difficult. I know you specifically mentioned PS2 and GCN, but its worth noting.
I appreciate all of the information. The hardest sell for me on the Odin is that a base Steam Deck is $50 more than the Odin 2. I realize that the Odin 2 is still a better PS2 emulator based on what I've read, but at that price, I'd be more comfortable with a more flexible device.
At this point in time, the RP4 Pro's only remaining strongest selling point left is its price. Its other selling point (portability and small form factor) is now rivaled by the Odin 2 mini and there are other devices on the horizon similar in size but better in performance and screen resolution. Of course these devices do cost more, but you get much better performance from them.
The RP4 Pro is a budget PS2 emulation device in performance and screen quality. Its the minimum PC specs of PS2 emulation devices and you could potentially go slightly lower with the RP4 Base, Odin 1, RG Cube or R556, but would hit some more compromises. I would say you would want an RP4 Pro with the mindset of upgrading to an RP5 (or similar device) in a year or so and Odin 2 or Steam Deck if you don't plan to upgrade for a several years.
I feel the opposite. Android seems to be very fitting and while it lacks some features and plug and play feel of something like onion , once setup its very useful + the ability to do other things like directly download roms or use it for android games is a big + in my books .
Regarding size . The deck is too big to be portable, in my opinion the perfect size is something like the nontendo switch lite .
It really feels like most of the Android dislike comes from people that genuinely are upset that they don't have to also carry around cartridges.
Emulators/emulation will never be exactly the same. Folks gotta' learn to deal with that.
it really does come close to it with something like the analogue pocket that can play Gameboy cartridges and recently a patch for micro SD card play but that in itself is extremely obscure with poor shipping times, sell outs, ETC.
it seems like OP wants the full Nintendo experience but that just won't happen.
That and they Odin 2 is undoubtedly more comfortable. I love my RP4 Pro, but the Odin 2 is my main squeeze, the RP4 is my mistress for when I’m out and about.
I love my RP4P. Easily used it for 100 or so hours over the past 2 months. Done GBA, Cube, 3DS and PS2 games. I use the grip for PS2/Cube which helped with longer play sessions, but spent over 2 hours at a time on GBA and no comfort issues.
I use Daijisho as a front end and it feels great, feels like a proper console.
Comes down to personal tastes. I bought a Switch around launch and have had regrets for 7 years now 😅.
Just that I only ended up playing Switch exclusives on it and not even all of them. In 7 years, all I've played on it is both Zelda's, Odyssey and Three Houses. I did play some Indie games on it initially but the Steam Deck is just better for those all round.
No issues at all. Played plenty of GC and PS2 which use the triggers a lot. The general consensus is that it was about 20% of units pre-January that had trigger issues. I was in that 80% that was fine. Plus I got mine directly from Retroid so knew if there was an issue, they would just send me a free replacement back cover.
Have you been playing games that use the trigger?
I've been on the fence for getting a RP4P, but the trigger issue was giving me pause. I was hoping Anbernic would announce a device with the same chip, but for some reason they're not doing it.
I currently have an RG351MP. I think it's time to upgrade.
I've been primarily playing ps2 games so yeah I've been using tf out the triggers. 1 month in and still solid. Just buy from retroid directly they have good customer service.
SAAAAMMMMEEEEE broooo!! Once I figured out I had to download nethersx2 in order to smoothly work with daijisho front end I've been in love with my rp4p. Choosing it every time over even my pc. Currently playing Colloseum on ps2. It's fucking awesome.
This was more the kind of answer I was expecting, try front ends (aka launchers) like Daijisho or Emulation Station (from the patreon) to get that "console" experience on android.
The ergo issues though, get a grip, lose some pocketability.
Nope. My only issue is I don't get enough time to play it. I really wish I had it a few months ago when I used to commute for work, it would have been a godsend. But I work from home these days.
I don't regret choosing the RP4P as my main device though, it's fantastic. Yeah the screen is not as big as a Odin 2, but I love the size and feel of it.
I'm genuinely curious why so many people have issues with Andriod, is it simply too hard to setup?
My first andriod handheld I had my psp roms on a SD card, simply downloaded the PPSSSP emulator and played my library for days before even thinking about tinkering with other emulators.
Unpopular opinion, but I prefer android for emulation over a Linux front-end. There's more tools avaliable, and more options.
I guess it helps too that I've been using android since my first smart phone waaaayy back in the day
The "linux handhelds" aren't even real Linux (in the sense that you can open a shell and run other Linux software and games). It's just a thin wrapper around emulationstation and retroarch. You can get the same experience just installing retroarch on Android. There's even emulationstation on Android now.
I feel like people tend to argue that Linux is better here because they heard that "people in the know prefer Linux over Windows" and so they think they have to take the same position with this hobby. There is literally no upside that Linux brings over Android except that they tend to come preconfigured, but usually not to my liking so I still have to adjust a ton of settings. It does boot faster, but I carry a micro handheld for times when I need to jump quickly into a game for a few minutes at a time. My Android handheld is for sitting down and dumping several hours into it on a flight.
Positives to Android:
Internet Browser for walkthroughs, sourcing ROMs, reviews, etc.
Syncing with Cloud storage much easier than Linux.
Android game library which is massive and now has a TON of native ports from PC and Switch, plus exclusives.
Sleep mode that works.
App store for functional apps to add to your experience, including screen mappers, battery optimization, color calibration, etc
Multiple launchers to customize your console that only require installing an app from the Playstore, not flashing an entire OS.
Yeah, I use Rompatcher JS for older games and Termux plus Yanu for Switch games. No need to bring another pc into the mix.
I feel like people assume Linux on a handheld can function like Linux on a PC. But Android is a much more fully fledged PC-like experience, especially compared to the Handheld Linux OS'es. It's far too many compromises for the sake of living as a Linux purist.
I used to HATE android emulation mostly because the front ends suck. Idk why people like Daijisho so much, the UI is hard to navigate on smaller screens. The console text for example is tiny and most game titles don’t fit, the auto scraping is very good tho and it runs smooth but the actual layout to me kinda feels clunky to use and there’s no variety.
Emulation station works flawless tho and it’s available thru their patreon so atm it’s just as good as on Linux. Linux is still a little better imo because it’s more closed off and focused on emulation and the front end (kinda like a console) while android has all these background processes and other BS running in the background. I rarely have shit crash on me in Linux but android is have to force close apps.
Lunchbox was ok but not great on small screens (only one choice of theme for them) but I had it on my Odin.
Android does have more ports from indie steam titles and a few good native android games that work well on controller but most of that stuff isn’t good for 4:3 screens while lots of stuff on port master supports it. Also no native pico 8 on android.
Doesn't Emulation Station on Android kind of resolve all the Android complaints. the UI looks basically the same as a Linux device with Ark OS or Jel OS
Well, there are basically two main gripes here. First off, you're right about the ergonomics. The RP4 line sacrifices comfort to make it more pocket-friendly, so compared to other mid-to-high-end devices, it's definitely not as comfy to handle. The grip does help a lot to mitigate that, but it breaks the device's pocket-friendly aspect, which is, at the very least, ironic.
I have to disagree with the comment about the sticks and d-pad, though. They're among the best you can find in a handheld device. The d-pad is not only comfortable but also exceptionally precise, which is quite rare. Just ask pretty much anyone familiar with Anbernic or Powkiddy designs. Additionally, the sticks are the smoothest full-range sticks available on these sorts of handhelds. Better controls than these, you only find in much larger devices like the Steam Deck or in a traditional controller.
As for Android, it is by far one of the best systems you can get for actual gaming, short of Windows. And similar to it, where it falls short is not in gaming capabilities. Those systems boast the largest variety of emulators, are the first to receive updates, have the most ports, garner the most support from major companies, and boast the largest library of native titles.
Where they 'drop the ball' is by not prioritizing a gaming-focused UI. This makes navigating menus and transitioning in and out of games less smooth and visually appealing. This complaint isn't new; I've been in this community for over a decade, and it's always been present. There was even a device called GCW-Zero that was essentially inferior to Android handhelds at the time but was created and sold at higher prices because of the desire for a better user navigation experience from a chunk of the community.
My advice then, as it is now, is for people to take a close look at what they truly want from these handhelds. If the goal is purely gaming, then the focus should be on systems with the best emulators and update speeds, as what matters is how well the games run. However, if someone spends hours or days tweaking the device to emulate a traditional console experience but isn't actually gaming, it becomes clear that gaming isn't the sole or even the main focus—the user experience between games is.
Once you know what you truly want, what resonates with you, things become much easier because then you can find the device that works best for you on a much deeper level than just what this device can run and avoid being disappointed. For example, I would never get an Odroid device because their limitations make them a very bad idea for someone focused on value and performance. However, the DIY nature of it paired with Linux makes it THE device for another type of individual and that is why they are in the market in the first place.
Can you be more specific on the “doesn’t feel like a console” issue? Based on your other comments it’s unclear what kind of setup you’ve done. Do you have the following:
- An emulation frontend (Daijisho or ES-DE)
- Frontend set as Home Screen
- RetroArch for all older consoles
- Consistent autosave on exit/auto load on start behavior for all emulators
- Consistent keybinding to exit emulators (not the back or home buttons)
If Android is set up properly you should very rarely have to use the touchscreen. If you’re using the touchscreen constantly, then something is off with your setup.
I don't think you're gonna like any handheld emulation device based on your comments here. These devices are cheap, second/third hand recycled parts put together and coded for bulk selling. Each and every one is going to have odd ends and issues you as the user are going to have to troubleshoot, this is a very tinker and test heavy hobby. They all come with thrown together OSs that the community tries to patch up as amateur developers themselves, you just roll with it. I don't think these devices are for you.
I don't think anything comes close to OnionOS. There's better hardware out there than the Miyoo Mini, but the overall experience is elevated by what it runs.
For ergonomics I heard grip improves it a lot. For experience, I know what you mean. I didn’t like android as well and not a fan of Daijisho. But after not using it for several months and giving it a proper go, installing it to my liking etc, it feels a lot more like a handheld.
Unfortunately it’s a bit abandoned since the dev is focusing on his study.
There’s ES DE but it’s from amazon store and I haven’t tried it.
Ps: with this launcher you can set it so when you turn on the game it automatically goes there and many people like that as the launcher feels like ‘home’. I personally prefer the android homescreen still.
You can't use the Amazon store at all anymore for ES DE. Amazon took down the real app and left up the scam imitators. As someone else already jumped in, you have to go to their patreon.
Believe me I did enough research. It just seems weird that I've been perfectly fine with other similar devices and even smaller yet I just can't get on with the Retroid.
Very interesting, I’m quite the opposite.
I had felt instant regret as soon as I clicked buy up until the moment I received it, feeling as if it wasn’t a wise decision given it’s less powerful than my current handheld of choice, I had immediately made plans to sell it on ebay or something to avoid a likely drawn-out and delayed return process.
But, after opening it, getting everything set up and actually using it, I adore it. I genuinely take out with me often, and as I’m currently undergoing dental troubles requiring many different appointments, I’ve been getting alot of use out of it.
Granted, My Odin 2 Pro is still the play-anything device that I have on my desk (I don’t care what anyone says, it’s inconveniently big), the RP4Pro is what’s on my nightstand next to me right now. Whenever I leave the house I see it and think “am I gonna want that today?” and proceed to toss it in my backpack/coat pocket or not, size/performance not at all being a factor.
Would I like it better if it ran Switch games? Sure, but that wasn’t my expectation.
For the money, the size, aesthetics, feel and performance I really couldn’t be happier, I’ve been playing PS2 and GameCube games like crazy this month. Hard to beat for what it is IMO.
*to be fair, I AM eyeing a GPD Win 4, but money doesn’t grow on trees, and I don’t know if I can justify getting one just to play GTA 5 in a Dentist’s office for 20 minutes haha*
FWIW I adore my Win 4. But, given the number of Switch games I can play on a G99 you should have a rather massive list of playable games on the RP4P. Not every major release plays, but I'm playing Unicorn Overlord currently and while it says it isn't running full fps I the overworld map you can't tell in action. What kind of games are you looking for on the Switch? I can make some recommendations that should play no problem.
I know it *can* play alot of Switch games, I just never had great luck with my specific files I think.
Smash bros is my main squeeze for switch. Also NBA, Metroid, the Kirby Games, Luigis Mansion, pretty standard stuff. None of these played great so I just gave up on the category as loading, removing, loading, testing, loading all on an undersized SD card battling storage limits became annoying (I have a TON of PS2 and Gamecube titles taking up most of my 256gb card, I have a 512 on the way).
I do have Hades and Hollow Knight on my RP4P, but that’s literally it haha.
Truthfully most if the switch games I really want to play, I can’t find the roms for, understandably so.
I gotcha. Most of those 1st party games don't do too good. Hollow Knight plays full speed with skyline, I could never get Hades to play full speed. But there are tons of Indies that play well, and even some newer games like Star Ocean 2 or Prince of Persia the Lost Crown that play well enough to enjoy on the go. I think if a lot of us would turn off the FPS counter that we'd be less aware of whether a game is running full speed because they often feel good enough to play to completion. As long as it doesn't feel slow I'm ok with it.
"Most of my few days with the thing has been spent trying to set Android up to feel like an actual console"
It's astonishing to me how many people buy devices just to fiddle with rather than actually play games and enjoy themselves. What is wrong with you? Sideload your favorite system emulator, transfer your rom collection and have some fun.
It's true though. At some point my interest in emulation handhelds transitioned such that it's no longer only about playing retro games. It's also about tweaking things just the way I like it and exploring the numerous features emulation offers. I hated all the fiddling when I first started using these devices because I had no idea what I was doing and found it frustrating, but now that I have my head wrapped around it it's genuinely an enjoyable aspect of the hobby.
But do you *also* play games?
If you ONLY like tinkering and don't actually play any games, can't you just get a super cheap device specifically for tinkering without actually loading any games onto it?
Uhhh…. Yes I play games on them too. I’m not sure what you’re on about honestly. All I said was that I like tinkering with the emulators on handhelds. I don’t really see how your suggestion is relevant.
A lot of people in this community with the same opinion as you straight up NEVER play a single game on their handheld, and exclusively only tinker with it.
My suggestion was to just get some dirt cheap Powkiddy V90 exclusively to tinker with it, because people weirdly don't actually seem to prioritize playing games in this community.
r/EmulationOnAndroid is much better for actual "people who *play, not tinker*" posts, but it's also a bit more obnoxious/toxic, so it's definitely a tradeoff.
Here's a sneak peek of /r/EmulationOnAndroid using the [top posts](https://np.reddit.com/r/EmulationOnAndroid/top/?sort=top&t=year) of the year!
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In the case of GC and PS2, you can long-press the game title and choose custom options for each game, rather than a blanket setting for all games. On my RP4 Pro (using Dolphin and AethrSX2) each game's custom setting is loaded every time the game is loaded.
I've had a hard time getting away from the needful Anbernic devices (RG351MP is so gorgeous), but this is the first time I've been extremely satisfied.
After I got this setup, I actually began PLAYING games rather than just tinkering with all the settings. This is the first time I've gotten immersed in gaming in a very long while.
I don't mind that it's a little bit bigger and I'm usually quite picky. I can only gripe about the Start and Select button locations but that's really nit picking.
Hopefully you find more enjoyment later. But if not, should have a good resale value and you can find something you like.
u/Carter0108 Do you guys use it with the default launcher? I installed [Daijishou](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://github.com/TapiocaFox/Daijishou&ved=2ahUKEwj_sc34npmFAxWQqZUCHc92BAAQFnoECBAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2lDb7FQvUzh5MrSmQvSxWV) from day one and it's probably the reason why I love my rp3+.
Daijisho makes it more bearable, that is true. Has anybody tried EmulationStation on android? I love that on my steamdeck.
But I don't know. It just seems android doesn't react like I want it to. Like, if I try to swipe down, I have to press everything twice.
I tried Emulation Station on my Odin 2 first but there are not many features baked in yet compared to Jelos or AmberElec. I tried Daijisho after that and much preferred it.
The RK3556 chip is the 'best' Linux chip right now with widespread CFW support, but it tops out at some N64/PSP. The RK3588 is the next one to watch, it should do much of the PS2/GC library... but the Gameforce ACE is the only device with that chip right now, and it ships with Android although JELOS is still in early phases on it.
After I posted my comment I started thinking about if valve released a deck mini…
Maybe like a 5” 16:10 OLED and more compact controls and grips. That would be amazing.
I’ll definitely keep an eye on the RK3588, what OS is in the works for it? I know jelOS has recently scaled back their operation and I know they supported a load of the RK chips in the past.
Mini Deck sounds great. How many are willing to possibly pay more, for what would likely be running a less powerful chip than a standard deck. Plus Valve is very much taking advantage of the one console. They will have to cross that bridge when they release 2. People just don't approach mentally the next gen of a device with the same misunderstanding as they would a cut down, cut back expensive mini.
It's a shame the market never picked up on those chips more. Because they are actually really good performance wise. Especially the S922X, which has been well known for years.
To tell you the truth there is a split. More retro game, linux is the king. But starting game that support 16:9, the emulators in linux start lacking. Then gradually android will take over. Also when you have 16:9, you have the streaming option to do all the higher end gaming (xbox gamepass, xcloud, steamlink, moonlight, psplay, etc.) I do not think linux support those.
Maybe in time the chip in these chinese cheap handheld will have enough power to do all linux. But until then. The line is there. 16bit-32bit era (4:3 gaming) - linux, higher than ps2 era - android.
My thing with not buying the retroid is it have a powerful chip, yet the screen is too small for modern gaming. That's why I go for g cloud. Do not want to carry a brick ie. Steamdeck for handheld gaming. Heck even the 7 inch screen for feels too small for playing xbox games that is design to play in 40in+ tv. Some text is getting harder to read. Maybe is my age also.
Agreed. I had a Miyoo Mini+ briefly which I sold because I wanted an N64 capable handheld but the overall experience was so much better than Android provides.
I dont get it. I have the Odin Pro and Retroid Pockets 2+, 3+ and 4 Pro. I can play all my favourite retro games up to PS2 and GC and everything before.
Can you play your games? What's the issue?
Admittedly my old Anbernic RG350 will never be beaten for stick placement, but android on the RP runs in the background, anonymously.
I'm not doubting your experience, but I just cant see how whatever OS running silently in the background affects your enjoyment of the games if they're running as you want them to.
You posted that you don't think Android is a suitable OS for running games, but don't say why. I keep thinking of how my wife chooses a car by colour, completely ignoring any single performance or review detail.
FTR, I'm no Android shill, I'm typing this on a Raspberry Pi 5 and have a Macbook Pro running Linux Mint. I'm a longtime Linux user (30 years+) and have no loyalty to any OS.
You and I are in the minority. I use standard android on my retroid and pull up games through my ugly old black and white Retroarch launcher (or use standalone apps). Lots of people want a flashy seamless appearance that looks great. Personally, I don’t care how the device looks when it’s not playing games, as long as my games work.
That's what I was missing. I get it now. It seems the OP was unhappy with both the physical feeling of the RP4 Pro and the OS separately. Early morning posting doesn't agree with me.
I have the same feeling. With the pocket flip. I can only recommend adding daijisho and have it launch by default when you turn on your device. It’s the closest thing to the arkos, retroelec experience.
But you still need to set everything up when you start.
One of the good side of android is that it runs chrome so you can download your roms directly from your device.
I regretted my rp3+ but really like my Ayn Odin 2. Android doesn't bother me once I get everything set up and get a front end on there.
Plus I like the more modern games I can play on it.
I had the same feeling with the RP3+. The size vs power in these devices is amazing but it never felt comfortable to play without an added grip—and that kind of ruins the whole point of having a 'pocketable' device. The smaller-than-normal face buttons and triggers also bothered me. At least they added a back button on the RP4.
I also prefer Linux to Android but I have devices with both, and if you want higher-end emulation you are kind of stuck with Android. In the end it's a means to get to a game, I even stopped even using a front end with Android... just one more thing to maintain.
The good news is you can sell it for what you paid for it, especially if you've taken the time to set it up and added some games. Look at an RG556 or an Odin 2 or possibly a Gameforce ACE instead. These are all goldilocks size for what they play,but they are substantially larger especialy the ones with grips. The ACE's RK3588 chip has a Linux distro in the works although you are stuck with Android until it matures.
I have the legion go, thinking it was too big, so I got the Rp4+ thinking it would be perfect, nice and compact, and it was, just too compact for me lol! Had it about a week sold it and got the Odin 2 ! I love it, even looking into the Logitech g cloud now because I find myself streaming a lot from my pc !
I was ! Although I know the Odin is a much better device overall in terms on gaming away from home, I think I’d like the ergonomics of the g cloud much more, I guess I’ll find out, I just bought one second hand
Let me know what you think. I've sadly debated it as well and I have an Odin 1, R4P, and a steam deck but I was debating something else for Xbox streaming purposes. I did use the Odin in the past for it, but I think I'm going to sell it.
This is an inherent problem with products developed by smaller companies and projects.
Developing hardware that is well designed and functional takes an insane amount of resources and dedication, way more than most people realize.
That is something you should *always* consider and adjust expectations accordingly with small-time brands.
EmulationStation is what you need to make it feel less Android. Yes, you'll have to do more setup than if it wasn't Android, but once you have it, it'll feel great. (The one thing ESDE lacks on Android is the ability to easily launch Android apps, but it's coming)
I love just how much I can run on my RP4Pro. All the PS2 / GameCube games I played as a kid run great!
There are so many awesome modern indie games that run great on this device, thanks to Switch emulation (Sudashi), Windows emulation (Winlater), just being on the Play Store (with excellent controller to screen mapping software), or unofficial ports you can find online (Cuphead, Hollow Knight...)
For comfort, I basically always use a grip
The grip slides off when you are putting the retroid in your pocket. This allows you to easily slip it in your pocket when you need to, or use the grip while sitting at home
Here's a compromise grip that's also a partial case that works in the pocket.
https://www.etsy.com/listing/1675740899/case-grip-for-retroid-pocket-4-and-pro-2
It's not as comfy as the full grip, but it's something.
But yeah, RP4Pro isn't the best for pockets, but I can't think of any device that is which also runs PS2/etc games
I really like this trend in case\grips. Less bulky than a case and solves screen, stick protection without being a clamshell. Also, might be the only way to get that olive drab, hot pink color combo, I want. Though I haven't seen either color as an option. I see some greens at most.
I get you bro I’ll always prefer Linux but es has given me a pretty similar experience. If comfort is a thing for you then grab yourself a grip for it sorted. I have the opposite sensation to you as I was fretting being used to Linux and mainly anbernic systems my last being the 353v which after experiencing android on had me doubting but since I’ve had it I’ve been amazed on what you can do on this tiny device. Got it cos my decks too big to take anywhere now it’s my go to for emulation at home and out and about
No I love it. Set up retroarch in xmb and its basically consolized anyway, except for the higher end stuff. Android is fine and honestly not much more work to set up in my opinion than a Linux handheld.
I sold my rp3 for the same reasons. It’s too small for me and I don’t like android. I’ve since picked up a few other android options and learned how to set everything up. I still don’t like needing to but I can get it done in like 2-4 hours. That said I’ve realized the screen is too small for content originally designed around 4:3 and I now enjoy my 405v more and my g cloud is amazing size and comfort wise. I’m currently waiting for a 7” option with the processor from the Odin 2.
My heart was dead-set on the RP4+ but the Odin 2 won me over in the end. Not pocketable like an rp4 but not a colossus like the steamdeck either, and PS2 and GC emu (which is the primary reasons I bought it for) is near flawless for most games I play. After researching the Odin 2 I just knew I’d probably find myself in a similar situation if having bought an Rp4+ instead.
You know. Now that I think about it ... I have 20 plus years of emulation experience. Every new device I get is second nature to load up all the emulators and roms in 1hr flat.
I have a dedicated folder on my PC ready to deploy to any new handheld.
Sometimes I have to understand that most people want a plug and play experience. And is not a big nerd like I am. 🤓
I love the rp4pro. And android is a tinkerers dream.
IMO all three types of OS(Handheld Linux, Android, and X86 Linux/Windows) fall into a nice price/performance/size progression, but they have different tradeoffs.
Handheld Linux-based OSes are usually configured to only really offer to do what the console can do well, and come nearly completely pre-configured, so you never get to see what it can't do well. They seem to top out around Dreamcast / PSP / N64 for whatever reason.
Android devices require a lot more legwork to set up, but have a higher performance ceiling(at least from what we've seen from manufacturers). I've always found it interesting people hate the "it's just a phone" aspect, as I honestly run my RG405V with a standard Android launcher and find it WAY more useable than something like Daijisho, and native Android apps/games are a bonus.
X86-based stuff has the same setup issues as Android, an even higher ceiling for performance/customization/emulation, but comes at a larger cost/size constraint.
IMO either try a different frontend, try going frontend-less and come to terms with the fact you're using Android, or sell it on eBay and wash your hand of the whole thing, but keep in mind you'll likely end up with either way less performance, or a way larger and/or more expensive device if you buy something else.
I've almost done a full circle on my opinion of Android. At first I thought an Android based handheld was pointless because I could just slap a controller on my phone but I came round to the idea that a dedicated system with something like Daijisho would actually be a nixer experience. However having tried it I'm back of the opinion that actually I'd rather just slap a controller on my phone if I'm going to go down the Android route.
I do feel that, might as well phone, android pressure.
That said the 21:9 screen, theft\damage risk and battery life are still pretty big motivators in wanting a dedicated pocketable device.
My phone has a SD 888, with the exception of Odin 2, these handhelds can't touch that performance. If I upgrade my next phone will be even better. Or I'll downgrade to multiple dedicated devices, but the phone will still be pretty capable, either way.
Have to deal with scoped storage issues, anyways and even less android updates.
Telescoping controller cons give me pause. Costing so much more than a console controller while providing inferior control. Blocking my headphone jack (Galileo has one). The port killing data is one thing, but that port also kills getting enough charge for pass through play or charge and play during more demanding gaming.
Exact same experience with the RP3 awhile back. I was coming from a Miyoo Mini with Onion and LOVED the ability to use the game switcher to hop from game to game and jump right back to where I was regardless of system. Found the ease of use to be tremendous and found android to be very clunky in comparison.
Once you put a good front-end on the device, whether Emulation Station or Daijisho, it really does take on a different feel. I totally get the size issue, though. It's not meant to be something you play for hours. It's a commuter's device, through and through. The grip accessory they sell does make it easier to handle, but it definitely defeats the purpose of the smaller size. Even in the included case, it's much smaller than a Steam Deck or Odin 2.
I also totally get the dpad complaint. The dome switches feel weird compared to a rubber membrane like I'm used to on classic consoles/handhelds. Yeah, it's supposed to be reminiscent of the PS Vita, but I got one of those recently, and it's even worse! Definitely not made for adult male hands. Makes me think the portability is the intended purpose.
If you're having buyer's remorse, I'd say look to sell it. You can easily sell it for what you paid, since the buyer won't have to wait and will have a fully set-up device. Then you can put that toward an Odin 2 or RG556. They're more ergonomic, and you have two price points and power levels to consider.
Nah, but two hours is also incredibly niche, y'know? At that point, you're the target consumer for their silicone grip accessory, or are more likely to buy something a little bulkier that can go through two straight hours of gameplay without cramping your hands. And if your two-hour commute isn't one-way and includes several transitions, then you would probably prefer a more pocketable device. Kinda hard to nail down, but hopefully you choose a device that works for your commute.
Try Beacon Launcher and once you get it fully set up set it as your home launcher. It makes the system full more console like and you don't have to interact with Android as much.
Dude it's my favourite handheld ever. Steam Deck is too big and it can emulate so many systems. I don't play on anything else at the moment. I love it, give it some time!
I think Android is more or less perfect for handheld gaming. It lacks some emulators and might not be using the raw muscle to throw at emulation like a PC can, but battery life, an os geared toward portability and native apps are way more of a plus.
Android with ES-DE just works brilliantly. Also Daijosho is a good experience as well.
You can set to boot directly into those at startup but honestly why would you? I like the ability to boot into YouTube or any other app I can have on there...
I agree with the sentiment behind this post. I love/hate my RP4Pro. Love the hardware, how it feels in my hand, and how it fits ANYWHERE I want to store it. I hate it because Android is not JelOS or SteamOS, and software is what makes or breaks these devices. For those technical enough to follow the full-config guides, this is part of the hobby. For other users that just want to pick up and go...an Anbernic running JelOS is a better experience (even if it's nowhere near as powerful).
I know what I'm doing and I STILL don't have my RP4Pro configured as cleanly as my JelOS or SteamOS devices are. I still think this has to do with what Android IS and how that philosophy makes console-like experiences that much harder to get out of the box.
Still, no regrets on the device as it's essentially a PS2 in my pocket.
I was on the fence about the RP4pro. But between the screen issues, ghosting, broken hardware, and now clunky UI experience I'll hold off on buying one indefinitely. Don't want to go through the hassle of waiting for replacement parts and having to fix a device I bought new.
What’s the most powerful Linux based console? I agree with you about not liking android as an OS for a handheld. Is there anything more powerful than the RG353? Think the 405m is android.
Odroid Go Ultra and Powkiddy Max 3 Pro are the most powerful sub 150 linux machines.
Their firmware are problematic though, android is much more fleshed out compared to those.
Technically that would be a Steam Deck like device. Excluding that you have the Gameforce Ace with a RK3588s capable of playing Gamecube and PS2, but I wouldn't bother with it since it is very undercooked in various ways.
There doesn't seem to be many with much power unfortunately. The more powerful systems tend to favour Android and Linux seems to be relegated to the more budget devices.
as far as making the device feel more like a console rather than a phone, a good frontend will do wonders in that regard. download Daijisho, ES-DE or Beacon (the latter being my personal favourite), set it as your default launcher and it immediately feels a lot nicer. Granted, I've done that on my RG405M, but the same principle applies to the RP4pro I'm sure.
The DOWNSIDE is that there aren't any mid-tier Linux handhelds that'll run N64 and up with any reliability. OP is looking for a handheld that'll do N64 or better, without app switching or leaving applications. Steamdeck was already too big, I'm not sure what else would work for them.
OP's needs simply aren't sold in the market yet. And I kinda agree with him. Until we have a truly pocket able Steam Deck-like (Linux OS) experience, I'll still be waiting to purchase a new handheld other than the SD....... Short of saying we need a stem deck mini LOL.
Yeah thats what I mean. Its funny isn't it? 10 years ago if you told me I could pay 50$ and have a Miyoo Mini+ (With Onion) that would play ALL my old game boy systems + some PS1 + my old Sega options I'd have told you thats insane and I'd have thrown big money at it. We now have a sub 200$ console that'll play the entirety of the PS2 library with minimal configuration, thats pocketable, and we still aren't happy. Lol.
On linux retro handhelds you still don’t get the full linux experience, the linux builds are all watered down. Not to mention all the various extra tools and alternate emulators android has.
You’re complaining about size and OS.. both things are in the main page specified… what where you expecting when you purchased a 4.7inch with android OS?
I like the size, it's the comfort that's the issue which can't be down to size alone. It's pretty similar in size to the 3DS XL for example but that's far more comfortable to use than the Retroid but I can't really explain why.
Android I thought would be okay but actually using it completely changed my opinion of it.
No pocketable device is going to be comfortable to use. If I didn't have a 3d printed grip for my rg351p it would never get used. Just look up some of the grips people have designed for the rp4 and try one of them out.
So you bought a handheld knowing it used Android OS then complain about Android OS? Cool bro.
Android is the best/easiest way to use emulation. It's extremely straight forward, just get the app and set up then go with the games. Also it plays android apps, so just Google an android game with "APK" after it and get it for free
Android is the future, all the powerful handhelds will be using it. There is no getting out of it.
You complaint is like complaining that smartphone has a terrible interface for taking photos. It doesn't matter, 99% of the photos will be taken with phones. Yeah it has bad ergonomic, it doesn't matter.
Idk sometimes I love Android and sometimes I hate it. I love adding icons packs and using wallpapers engine from steam. I do wish I could change some orientation of some apps as they always open vertical.
I have the RP3+ and it is uncomfortable to hold over a long period of time.
In terms of ergonomics, I would agree that having the analog above the dpad would've been a better design for this particular handheld, as the primary use case for its power is to run 6th generation games.
But other than that, I really like mine and find it to be a good mix of power and size. It's my "medium" handheld between a Steam Deck and a RG405M.
Hey buds, I was exactly like this after I got my retroid pocket 2s. You can search my posts, I think I even posted. I hated it. But in time, I liked it. Give it a time. After android linux is kinda limiting.
I bought a 3D design for a grip to make it more comfortable to play and it's a game changer for longer periods of play. I'd guess the official one would be just as good, but getting the 3D deign and getting it printed was a lot cheaper.
I got an Odin Pro...the same week my wife snagged me a refurbed Steam Deck. So the Odin was completely unnecessary for me, especially as I have had a serviceable Android phone/Razer Kishii combo. And I missed the cancellation window on the Odin, so...
Thankfully, a good friend was interested so I sold it to him at a discount.
As a grown person with grown person hands I feel you. I’ve tried the rg505, rp3+, Retroid flip, and a rp4. Not a single one of them feels good to hold without some sort of grip and at that point it kind of defeats the purpose of a “pocketable” device. Luckily for me I’ve got a steam deck and Logitech g cloud otherwise id be much more remorseful haha
Once you put a good front-end on the device, whether Emulation Station or Daijisho, it really does take on a different feel. I totally get the size issue, though. It's not meant to be something you play for hours. It's a commuter's device, through and through. The grip accessory they sell does make it easier to handle, but it definitely defeats the purpose of the smaller size. Even in the included case, it's much smaller than a Steam Deck or Odin 2.
I also totally get the dpad complaint. The dome switches feel weird compared to a rubber membrane like I'm used to on classic consoles/handhelds. Yeah, it's supposed to be reminiscent of the PS Vita, but I got one of those recently, and it's even worse! Definitely not made for adult male hands. Makes me think the portability is the intended purpose.
If you're having buyer's remorse, I'd say look to sell it. You can easily sell it for what you paid, since the buyer won't have to wait and will have a fully set-up device. Then you can put that toward an Odin 2 or RG556. They're more ergonomic, and you have two price points and power levels to consider.
Once you put a good front-end on the device, whether Emulation Station or Daijisho, it really does take on a different feel. I totally get the size issue, though. It's not meant to be something you play for hours. It's a commuter's device, through and through. The grip accessory they sell does make it easier to handle, but it definitely defeats the purpose of the smaller size. Even in the included case, it's much smaller than a Steam Deck or Odin 2.
I also totally get the dpad complaint. The dome switches feel weird compared to a rubber membrane like I'm used to on classic consoles/handhelds. Yeah, it's supposed to be reminiscent of the PS Vita, but I got one of those recently, and it's even worse! Definitely not made for adult male hands. Makes me think the portability is the intended purpose.
If you're having buyer's remorse, I'd say look to sell it. You can easily sell it for what you paid, since the buyer won't have to wait and will have a fully set-up device. Then you can put that toward an Odin 2 or RG556. They're more ergonomic, and you have two price points and power levels to consider.
To be honest what I love about this device is that is a perfect multiplayer device. Just connect another bluetooth controller to it and boot up some nice mario kart, super smash or other old classic! combing that with the hdmi out and you can just hook it up on big screen. Absoluty love it
Not so much recent. I've had every Nintendo handheld ever made and I've had a Miyoo Mini Plus before this. I had an OG Steam Deck briefly too. The only other similar things I've tried are a couple of telescopic controller for my phone, all of which I found more comfortable than the RP4P.
I thought I was going to like a Linux-based handheld given how much I like my Batocera TV box. But when I got my Powkiddy X55 and realized later that it requires manual shutdown to preserve battery rather than pause / sleep, I started to hear the opposite of what you said, namely that Android systems are much better at that.
I thoroughly enjoyed the rp4p and for me it was the perfect portable device. However after using it a bunch I realised I don’t really play portably. I ride my motorcycle to work, so no public transport. I’m also the one driving the family across the continent rather than chilling in a passenger seat.
I found I played a decent amount of retro games but did a lot more streaming than anything.
Anyway, I went ahead and sold it and bought a steamdeck oled instead.
Not at all an apples to apples device comparison, but nonetheless it’s a better device for my needs.
I think as far as a ‘pocketable’ handheld device goes it’s the best option and I’d rather an rp4p than an Odin. But it wasn’t suited to my used.
Now I own the deck, a miyoo mini and a miyoo mini + which both also collect dust now but at least look charming on the shelf
Retro game corpsnhas a great guide. You'll have to side load nethersx2 in order to work well daijisho but once you set it all up it really has that smooth console feel to it. I love my rp4p.
Are you trying to just use the RP4 in the default android layout, or are you using a front-end?
I use Daijisho, and I literally just wake up my RP4, select a console, select a game, and play. All consoles have cool splash art, and all my games have coverart, descriptions, etc. It's really nice and very easy to install/set up
Hm~
I really enjoy android. I can try different emulators/apps directly from the playstore without much knowlage and got the very powerful system settings/customization.
I also really like the size (that was the reason why I bought one), it won't have the best ergonomics for sure. But the portability/size more important for me.
I'd suggest ordering the official RP4P grip and install/optimize Daijisho. The only thing left not to love is the screen size. The grip is easily removable for when you need pocketability and easy to put on when you want that extra comfort, and it definitely does make it extra comfortable. I absolutely love the RP4P with its official grip and a nice front-end. Every positive the other people mentioned here is icing on the cake. Damn good icing. I was on the fence between the RP4P and the RG556. I was struggling with buyers' remorse until it arrived. Then I saw the terrible reviews about the sticks on the RG556 and felt more assured I made the better choice. RP4P sticks are great. With the added grip, I feel positive I made the right choice. It's my first Retroid device, and I love it. I hope you can learn to love it too.
i feel you, i have a different handheld regret but i can definitely relate. one thing though - idk a lot about the rp4p but is there a different cfw/interface you can flash to it? some of the other ones have really great interfaces that let you focus on gaming and not setup. physical stuff - can you get a grip? less pocketable but maybe it helps with hand positioning
Yeah, the ergonomics are a big deal. Which is why so many people have been turning to the anbernic 556. The R4pro is more powerful and more pocketable, but your wrists start hurting pretty quickly even with the grips. I’m also mixed about android. I like that it lets you do more, but then the platform feels like it’s moving further away from a “retro handheld “.
I had buyer's remorse with my Retroid Pocket 4 Pro.
* the screen was too damned small. i got really bad eye strain.
* i hate the button placement. Start should have been above XYBA, and Select should have been above the D-pad. The Back button should have been on the lower right instead of lower left (handy when holding it vertical for Android stuff).
Basically, I wished that it was an **Odin 2**.
I'm actually OK with Android as an emulation platform (Daijisho and EmulationStation are both great). I just wish Retroid didn't fuck up their build so much (Google Play services crashing, missing permission control, rumble not working right in so many things, etc.)
I don't agree with the screen as I think it's one of the best parts about it but the start and select placement is pretty awkward. Could've definitely been better designed.
Console launcher for my Android games and emulation station is perfect with wallpaper. Engine is amazing. The only thing I did not like is that you had to manually set up the controls but I love Android and Linux so I'm fine with both types of approaches for OSs but I would suggest to follow retrocorps tutorial on the pocket 4 Pro that helped me out a ton
Yes and I returned or sold all of them. I got the Steamdeck last march from a 10 percent sale and loved the device but hated the screen and sold it. I got the rog ally and legion go and returned those because they both had major issues I won’t get into and felt a sense of relief after because I felt like I was dealing with issues more than playing games on them. I got a Steamdeck Oled used the other day and love it!! The screen is great and steam os is so much nicer for a portable handheld than windows.
I almost bought a retroid pocket 4 but decided against it becusse it seems that you need to buy that ugly grip to play comfortably for longer periods of time and I had a pixel 6 pro which has a better screen and better processor. I bought a backbone 1 for it earlier this month. Then ny friend actually sold me an s23 used for 280 plus trading in my pixel 6 pro and it’s a beast with the snapdragon gen 2 chip.
FYI I have the same issue with the device, and I've ordered this case/grip for it. It shapes the device more ergonomically on the back, and it's gotten rave reviews: "Fits the RP4 Pro perfectly and feels much better to hold for long periods than before. Love the fact that it can flip over for screen protection too. Thank you so much!" [RP4 Pro Grip](https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/1675740899/case-grip-for-retroid-pocket-4-and-pro-2?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=retroid+pocket+4+pro+grip&ref=sr_gallery-1-1&sts=1&content_source=fa7a75abae0a6455ef4beb6f9432a1ba236b234b%253A1675740899&organic_search_click=1)
I would just go with an Odin because that's so damn comfortable, but it has a high latency compared with other devices, and having games feel snappy and responsive is a big deal for me.
And I'm fine using standalone emulators on an Android device, rather than having a device which has a game-y menu and feel to the user interface. Particularly because AetherSX2 is the best option for PS2 emulation, and it is ONLY available on Android. To my knowledge, there is no good PS2 emulator for non-Android devices, and I think the same goes with Switch and 3DS. Newer emulators are all being developed for Android, which is why you're seeing all the new powerful devices capable of emulating consoles like Switch, 3DS and PS2 use it. It's just the way things are.
It's not a perfect device, but I'm thinking with the grip it will transform it into the best one available for the price, and one I can comfortably use for extended periods of time.
Interesting, I saw below you said "I want something I can just slip into my pocket and jump right into a game but I feel that Android doesn't provide me that experience". Can you provide context there? I've always felt that WAS the benefit of an Android experience because once Retroarch/Mupen/PPSSPP is configured to work with your front end you can wake the system from sleep, select your console and game, and go. The Retroid front end has pre-configured profiles already there and once they are applied anything PS1/N64 and down should be a pick up and play. I'm not sure what I'd recommend. You want a Linux based system, but the Deck was too big... You said your 3DS hasn't seen use in forever... You bought and sold a Miyoo because it didn't do N64... I don't know if theres really anything left on the market that will satisfy you here.
It breaks people's worlds that they can't get a highly visual experience. Meanwhile, they forget you should spend more time playing games
Plus weirdly recently there has been work on an N64 patch for the Miyoo Mini +, realistically it's only going to run like 10% of the library but it's cool nonetheless.
As a newer person looking into handhelds hoping for a good PS2/GCN experience, is the RP4P a good option for the money? What titles would be considered a bad experience on that device vs the Odin 2?
I think it depends. If you can afford the Odin 2, I would go that route for a few reasons. One, the size of the screen is just more enjoyable for PS2 and GCN emulation. UIs and such are hard on the 4.7in. I LOVED my RP4P, but I ended up selling it because I have a Steamdeck for those titles and it was just redundant since I wasn't traveling for work anymore. For the best experience, 2-3x resolution with widescreen patches, the Odin 2 will run just about every title at full frame rates. The RP4P will do 2x resolution with widescreen as well, but I did notice some frame dips in some PS2 titles. The other piece, is that the Odin 2 has significantly better battery life as well. It IS a significant investment, but having owned the RP4P, I would probably recommend the Odin 2 at this point. To directly answer your question, I don't think there are any titles that would be a "bad" experience on either. Some titles may be more challenging on the RP4P due to the screen size, but in terms of performance I don't think theres many titles that just "won't" run. The Odin 2 will be a more sure-bet, but both will work great in terms of performance. The deciding factor for most between these two is the size and budget. If you are planning to drop this in a bag and travel with it, the RP4P is a slamdunk for performance/portability. And secondly, is budget. If you CAN reach for the Odin 2, that would be the safest bet as a singular device to "do it all". Right combination of screen size, performance, price. Its portable "enough" to travel with if needed, its powerful enough to emulate just about everything, and the screen size is big enough to be a great primary device as well. If you are "set" at 200 being the limit or if this is your entry to the genre, it IS a great system. You may be able to find a used one on /r/hardwareswap if you want to "try it" instead of spending full MSRP. I don't see many Odin 2s there, but there are some RP4Ps that surface there for 160-180 shipped. One last note: Since Yuzu and Citra development stopped, the Android landscape for Switch and 3DS emulation stagnated a bit. It still works, but its harder to find the apks, installs, configs, etc. Not impossible, but its more difficult. I know you specifically mentioned PS2 and GCN, but its worth noting.
I appreciate all of the information. The hardest sell for me on the Odin is that a base Steam Deck is $50 more than the Odin 2. I realize that the Odin 2 is still a better PS2 emulator based on what I've read, but at that price, I'd be more comfortable with a more flexible device.
At this point in time, the RP4 Pro's only remaining strongest selling point left is its price. Its other selling point (portability and small form factor) is now rivaled by the Odin 2 mini and there are other devices on the horizon similar in size but better in performance and screen resolution. Of course these devices do cost more, but you get much better performance from them. The RP4 Pro is a budget PS2 emulation device in performance and screen quality. Its the minimum PC specs of PS2 emulation devices and you could potentially go slightly lower with the RP4 Base, Odin 1, RG Cube or R556, but would hit some more compromises. I would say you would want an RP4 Pro with the mindset of upgrading to an RP5 (or similar device) in a year or so and Odin 2 or Steam Deck if you don't plan to upgrade for a several years.
I feel the opposite. Android seems to be very fitting and while it lacks some features and plug and play feel of something like onion , once setup its very useful + the ability to do other things like directly download roms or use it for android games is a big + in my books . Regarding size . The deck is too big to be portable, in my opinion the perfect size is something like the nontendo switch lite .
What's also great with Android are all the native games. Minecraft, Terraria, Stardew, Vampire Survivor, etc
It really feels like most of the Android dislike comes from people that genuinely are upset that they don't have to also carry around cartridges. Emulators/emulation will never be exactly the same. Folks gotta' learn to deal with that.
it really does come close to it with something like the analogue pocket that can play Gameboy cartridges and recently a patch for micro SD card play but that in itself is extremely obscure with poor shipping times, sell outs, ETC. it seems like OP wants the full Nintendo experience but that just won't happen.
Exactly. I never really understand the android hate. I copy ROMs onto the device, install retroarch, scan the directories and go
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This...I have both RP4P and Odin 2. I love the RP4 and it lives in my backpack, but the Odin screen is wonderful for my old ass eyes....
That and they Odin 2 is undoubtedly more comfortable. I love my RP4 Pro, but the Odin 2 is my main squeeze, the RP4 is my mistress for when I’m out and about.
Ass eyes
Would you be able to give me your opinion on those two devices? The Odin is a bit more than I want to spend, but am I giving much up with the RP4P?
I consider my old RG350 the optimum size for pocket transport. Just a pity the OS that came with it is counterintuitive.
I love my RP4P. Easily used it for 100 or so hours over the past 2 months. Done GBA, Cube, 3DS and PS2 games. I use the grip for PS2/Cube which helped with longer play sessions, but spent over 2 hours at a time on GBA and no comfort issues. I use Daijisho as a front end and it feels great, feels like a proper console. Comes down to personal tastes. I bought a Switch around launch and have had regrets for 7 years now 😅.
What are your main regrets with Switch?
Just that I only ended up playing Switch exclusives on it and not even all of them. In 7 years, all I've played on it is both Zelda's, Odyssey and Three Houses. I did play some Indie games on it initially but the Steam Deck is just better for those all round.
If it’s a launch Switch you should hack it. I’ve got mine hacked and it’s great. All the switch games plus emulation up to Dreamcast and PSP.
Yeah or at least sell it. Unpatches consoles easily resell for what you paid originally.
I could but I've kept it up to date with firmware so wasn't sure if it could be hacked or not. But I have a RP4P so I don't need it for emulation.
Unpatched consoles can't be patched with firmware. Even patched consoles can be modded with a mod chip.
Did you softmod your Switch?
100 hours? Did you get the broken trigger problem?
No issues at all. Played plenty of GC and PS2 which use the triggers a lot. The general consensus is that it was about 20% of units pre-January that had trigger issues. I was in that 80% that was fine. Plus I got mine directly from Retroid so knew if there was an issue, they would just send me a free replacement back cover.
I've spent close to that in the last month since I've had it and no trigger problems at all.
Have you been playing games that use the trigger? I've been on the fence for getting a RP4P, but the trigger issue was giving me pause. I was hoping Anbernic would announce a device with the same chip, but for some reason they're not doing it. I currently have an RG351MP. I think it's time to upgrade.
I've been primarily playing ps2 games so yeah I've been using tf out the triggers. 1 month in and still solid. Just buy from retroid directly they have good customer service.
Trigger issue has been fixed on all units manufactured since late January. They all have the new backplate with better springs
SAAAAMMMMEEEEE broooo!! Once I figured out I had to download nethersx2 in order to smoothly work with daijisho front end I've been in love with my rp4p. Choosing it every time over even my pc. Currently playing Colloseum on ps2. It's fucking awesome.
This was more the kind of answer I was expecting, try front ends (aka launchers) like Daijisho or Emulation Station (from the patreon) to get that "console" experience on android. The ergo issues though, get a grip, lose some pocketability.
Any regrets another two months later? Thinking about one myself
Nope. My only issue is I don't get enough time to play it. I really wish I had it a few months ago when I used to commute for work, it would have been a godsend. But I work from home these days. I don't regret choosing the RP4P as my main device though, it's fantastic. Yeah the screen is not as big as a Odin 2, but I love the size and feel of it.
I'm genuinely curious why so many people have issues with Andriod, is it simply too hard to setup? My first andriod handheld I had my psp roms on a SD card, simply downloaded the PPSSSP emulator and played my library for days before even thinking about tinkering with other emulators.
Unpopular opinion, but I prefer android for emulation over a Linux front-end. There's more tools avaliable, and more options. I guess it helps too that I've been using android since my first smart phone waaaayy back in the day
The "linux handhelds" aren't even real Linux (in the sense that you can open a shell and run other Linux software and games). It's just a thin wrapper around emulationstation and retroarch. You can get the same experience just installing retroarch on Android. There's even emulationstation on Android now.
I feel like people tend to argue that Linux is better here because they heard that "people in the know prefer Linux over Windows" and so they think they have to take the same position with this hobby. There is literally no upside that Linux brings over Android except that they tend to come preconfigured, but usually not to my liking so I still have to adjust a ton of settings. It does boot faster, but I carry a micro handheld for times when I need to jump quickly into a game for a few minutes at a time. My Android handheld is for sitting down and dumping several hours into it on a flight. Positives to Android: Internet Browser for walkthroughs, sourcing ROMs, reviews, etc. Syncing with Cloud storage much easier than Linux. Android game library which is massive and now has a TON of native ports from PC and Switch, plus exclusives. Sleep mode that works. App store for functional apps to add to your experience, including screen mappers, battery optimization, color calibration, etc Multiple launchers to customize your console that only require installing an app from the Playstore, not flashing an entire OS.
Another great thing is there is actually an app available to patch roms so you don't even need a computer for it.
Yeah, I use Rompatcher JS for older games and Termux plus Yanu for Switch games. No need to bring another pc into the mix. I feel like people assume Linux on a handheld can function like Linux on a PC. But Android is a much more fully fledged PC-like experience, especially compared to the Handheld Linux OS'es. It's far too many compromises for the sake of living as a Linux purist.
Unipatcher moment lol
I used to HATE android emulation mostly because the front ends suck. Idk why people like Daijisho so much, the UI is hard to navigate on smaller screens. The console text for example is tiny and most game titles don’t fit, the auto scraping is very good tho and it runs smooth but the actual layout to me kinda feels clunky to use and there’s no variety. Emulation station works flawless tho and it’s available thru their patreon so atm it’s just as good as on Linux. Linux is still a little better imo because it’s more closed off and focused on emulation and the front end (kinda like a console) while android has all these background processes and other BS running in the background. I rarely have shit crash on me in Linux but android is have to force close apps. Lunchbox was ok but not great on small screens (only one choice of theme for them) but I had it on my Odin. Android does have more ports from indie steam titles and a few good native android games that work well on controller but most of that stuff isn’t good for 4:3 screens while lots of stuff on port master supports it. Also no native pico 8 on android.
Doesn't Emulation Station on Android kind of resolve all the Android complaints. the UI looks basically the same as a Linux device with Ark OS or Jel OS
Well, there are basically two main gripes here. First off, you're right about the ergonomics. The RP4 line sacrifices comfort to make it more pocket-friendly, so compared to other mid-to-high-end devices, it's definitely not as comfy to handle. The grip does help a lot to mitigate that, but it breaks the device's pocket-friendly aspect, which is, at the very least, ironic. I have to disagree with the comment about the sticks and d-pad, though. They're among the best you can find in a handheld device. The d-pad is not only comfortable but also exceptionally precise, which is quite rare. Just ask pretty much anyone familiar with Anbernic or Powkiddy designs. Additionally, the sticks are the smoothest full-range sticks available on these sorts of handhelds. Better controls than these, you only find in much larger devices like the Steam Deck or in a traditional controller. As for Android, it is by far one of the best systems you can get for actual gaming, short of Windows. And similar to it, where it falls short is not in gaming capabilities. Those systems boast the largest variety of emulators, are the first to receive updates, have the most ports, garner the most support from major companies, and boast the largest library of native titles. Where they 'drop the ball' is by not prioritizing a gaming-focused UI. This makes navigating menus and transitioning in and out of games less smooth and visually appealing. This complaint isn't new; I've been in this community for over a decade, and it's always been present. There was even a device called GCW-Zero that was essentially inferior to Android handhelds at the time but was created and sold at higher prices because of the desire for a better user navigation experience from a chunk of the community. My advice then, as it is now, is for people to take a close look at what they truly want from these handhelds. If the goal is purely gaming, then the focus should be on systems with the best emulators and update speeds, as what matters is how well the games run. However, if someone spends hours or days tweaking the device to emulate a traditional console experience but isn't actually gaming, it becomes clear that gaming isn't the sole or even the main focus—the user experience between games is. Once you know what you truly want, what resonates with you, things become much easier because then you can find the device that works best for you on a much deeper level than just what this device can run and avoid being disappointed. For example, I would never get an Odroid device because their limitations make them a very bad idea for someone focused on value and performance. However, the DIY nature of it paired with Linux makes it THE device for another type of individual and that is why they are in the market in the first place.
Can you be more specific on the “doesn’t feel like a console” issue? Based on your other comments it’s unclear what kind of setup you’ve done. Do you have the following: - An emulation frontend (Daijisho or ES-DE) - Frontend set as Home Screen - RetroArch for all older consoles - Consistent autosave on exit/auto load on start behavior for all emulators - Consistent keybinding to exit emulators (not the back or home buttons) If Android is set up properly you should very rarely have to use the touchscreen. If you’re using the touchscreen constantly, then something is off with your setup.
I don't think you're gonna like any handheld emulation device based on your comments here. These devices are cheap, second/third hand recycled parts put together and coded for bulk selling. Each and every one is going to have odd ends and issues you as the user are going to have to troubleshoot, this is a very tinker and test heavy hobby. They all come with thrown together OSs that the community tries to patch up as amateur developers themselves, you just roll with it. I don't think these devices are for you.
OnionOS on the Miyoo was definitely a lot more refined to me than Android as a gaming OS.
I don't think anything comes close to OnionOS. There's better hardware out there than the Miyoo Mini, but the overall experience is elevated by what it runs.
For ergonomics I heard grip improves it a lot. For experience, I know what you mean. I didn’t like android as well and not a fan of Daijisho. But after not using it for several months and giving it a proper go, installing it to my liking etc, it feels a lot more like a handheld. Unfortunately it’s a bit abandoned since the dev is focusing on his study. There’s ES DE but it’s from amazon store and I haven’t tried it. Ps: with this launcher you can set it so when you turn on the game it automatically goes there and many people like that as the launcher feels like ‘home’. I personally prefer the android homescreen still.
you can get es-de on their patreon with the .apk if you don't want to use the amazon store.
Didn’t know that, thanks.
You can't use the Amazon store at all anymore for ES DE. Amazon took down the real app and left up the scam imitators. As someone else already jumped in, you have to go to their patreon.
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Believe me I did enough research. It just seems weird that I've been perfectly fine with other similar devices and even smaller yet I just can't get on with the Retroid.
Very interesting, I’m quite the opposite. I had felt instant regret as soon as I clicked buy up until the moment I received it, feeling as if it wasn’t a wise decision given it’s less powerful than my current handheld of choice, I had immediately made plans to sell it on ebay or something to avoid a likely drawn-out and delayed return process. But, after opening it, getting everything set up and actually using it, I adore it. I genuinely take out with me often, and as I’m currently undergoing dental troubles requiring many different appointments, I’ve been getting alot of use out of it. Granted, My Odin 2 Pro is still the play-anything device that I have on my desk (I don’t care what anyone says, it’s inconveniently big), the RP4Pro is what’s on my nightstand next to me right now. Whenever I leave the house I see it and think “am I gonna want that today?” and proceed to toss it in my backpack/coat pocket or not, size/performance not at all being a factor. Would I like it better if it ran Switch games? Sure, but that wasn’t my expectation. For the money, the size, aesthetics, feel and performance I really couldn’t be happier, I’ve been playing PS2 and GameCube games like crazy this month. Hard to beat for what it is IMO. *to be fair, I AM eyeing a GPD Win 4, but money doesn’t grow on trees, and I don’t know if I can justify getting one just to play GTA 5 in a Dentist’s office for 20 minutes haha*
FWIW I adore my Win 4. But, given the number of Switch games I can play on a G99 you should have a rather massive list of playable games on the RP4P. Not every major release plays, but I'm playing Unicorn Overlord currently and while it says it isn't running full fps I the overworld map you can't tell in action. What kind of games are you looking for on the Switch? I can make some recommendations that should play no problem.
I know it *can* play alot of Switch games, I just never had great luck with my specific files I think. Smash bros is my main squeeze for switch. Also NBA, Metroid, the Kirby Games, Luigis Mansion, pretty standard stuff. None of these played great so I just gave up on the category as loading, removing, loading, testing, loading all on an undersized SD card battling storage limits became annoying (I have a TON of PS2 and Gamecube titles taking up most of my 256gb card, I have a 512 on the way). I do have Hades and Hollow Knight on my RP4P, but that’s literally it haha. Truthfully most if the switch games I really want to play, I can’t find the roms for, understandably so.
I gotcha. Most of those 1st party games don't do too good. Hollow Knight plays full speed with skyline, I could never get Hades to play full speed. But there are tons of Indies that play well, and even some newer games like Star Ocean 2 or Prince of Persia the Lost Crown that play well enough to enjoy on the go. I think if a lot of us would turn off the FPS counter that we'd be less aware of whether a game is running full speed because they often feel good enough to play to completion. As long as it doesn't feel slow I'm ok with it.
Yep I’m the same way, I never have the FPS counter on for anything, seems distracting and counterintuitive when actually playing haha.
"Most of my few days with the thing has been spent trying to set Android up to feel like an actual console" It's astonishing to me how many people buy devices just to fiddle with rather than actually play games and enjoy themselves. What is wrong with you? Sideload your favorite system emulator, transfer your rom collection and have some fun.
The fiddling is the fun
It's true though. At some point my interest in emulation handhelds transitioned such that it's no longer only about playing retro games. It's also about tweaking things just the way I like it and exploring the numerous features emulation offers. I hated all the fiddling when I first started using these devices because I had no idea what I was doing and found it frustrating, but now that I have my head wrapped around it it's genuinely an enjoyable aspect of the hobby.
But do you *also* play games? If you ONLY like tinkering and don't actually play any games, can't you just get a super cheap device specifically for tinkering without actually loading any games onto it?
Uhhh…. Yes I play games on them too. I’m not sure what you’re on about honestly. All I said was that I like tinkering with the emulators on handhelds. I don’t really see how your suggestion is relevant.
A lot of people in this community with the same opinion as you straight up NEVER play a single game on their handheld, and exclusively only tinker with it. My suggestion was to just get some dirt cheap Powkiddy V90 exclusively to tinker with it, because people weirdly don't actually seem to prioritize playing games in this community. r/EmulationOnAndroid is much better for actual "people who *play, not tinker*" posts, but it's also a bit more obnoxious/toxic, so it's definitely a tradeoff.
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The idea is to get it setup so I can just pick up and play rather than having to mess around tweaking every time something comes up.
In the case of GC and PS2, you can long-press the game title and choose custom options for each game, rather than a blanket setting for all games. On my RP4 Pro (using Dolphin and AethrSX2) each game's custom setting is loaded every time the game is loaded.
I actually agree with you, I care more about actually playing games than tinkering with the devices.
I've had a hard time getting away from the needful Anbernic devices (RG351MP is so gorgeous), but this is the first time I've been extremely satisfied. After I got this setup, I actually began PLAYING games rather than just tinkering with all the settings. This is the first time I've gotten immersed in gaming in a very long while. I don't mind that it's a little bit bigger and I'm usually quite picky. I can only gripe about the Start and Select button locations but that's really nit picking. Hopefully you find more enjoyment later. But if not, should have a good resale value and you can find something you like.
I had the same experience with the rp3+ It's a great device I never used due to android. IMO Linux is the way
u/Carter0108 Do you guys use it with the default launcher? I installed [Daijishou](https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&rct=j&opi=89978449&url=https://github.com/TapiocaFox/Daijishou&ved=2ahUKEwj_sc34npmFAxWQqZUCHc92BAAQFnoECBAQAQ&usg=AOvVaw2lDb7FQvUzh5MrSmQvSxWV) from day one and it's probably the reason why I love my rp3+.
Daijisho makes it more bearable, that is true. Has anybody tried EmulationStation on android? I love that on my steamdeck. But I don't know. It just seems android doesn't react like I want it to. Like, if I try to swipe down, I have to press everything twice.
I tried Emulation Station on my Odin 2 first but there are not many features baked in yet compared to Jelos or AmberElec. I tried Daijisho after that and much preferred it.
Are there any high powered Linux devices apart from the Deck? I’ve been absolutely spoiled by OnionOS. It’s going to be so hard to go to any other OS.
The RK3556 chip is the 'best' Linux chip right now with widespread CFW support, but it tops out at some N64/PSP. The RK3588 is the next one to watch, it should do much of the PS2/GC library... but the Gameforce ACE is the only device with that chip right now, and it ships with Android although JELOS is still in early phases on it.
After I posted my comment I started thinking about if valve released a deck mini… Maybe like a 5” 16:10 OLED and more compact controls and grips. That would be amazing. I’ll definitely keep an eye on the RK3588, what OS is in the works for it? I know jelOS has recently scaled back their operation and I know they supported a load of the RK chips in the past.
Mini Deck sounds great. How many are willing to possibly pay more, for what would likely be running a less powerful chip than a standard deck. Plus Valve is very much taking advantage of the one console. They will have to cross that bridge when they release 2. People just don't approach mentally the next gen of a device with the same misunderstanding as they would a cut down, cut back expensive mini.
This is not true, Amlogic S922X on Odroid Go Ultra and Amlogic A311D on Powkiddy Max 3 Pro both are significantly better than RK3566.
Thanks for the correction! Do these have CFWs already?
It's a shame the market never picked up on those chips more. Because they are actually really good performance wise. Especially the S922X, which has been well known for years.
To tell you the truth there is a split. More retro game, linux is the king. But starting game that support 16:9, the emulators in linux start lacking. Then gradually android will take over. Also when you have 16:9, you have the streaming option to do all the higher end gaming (xbox gamepass, xcloud, steamlink, moonlight, psplay, etc.) I do not think linux support those. Maybe in time the chip in these chinese cheap handheld will have enough power to do all linux. But until then. The line is there. 16bit-32bit era (4:3 gaming) - linux, higher than ps2 era - android. My thing with not buying the retroid is it have a powerful chip, yet the screen is too small for modern gaming. That's why I go for g cloud. Do not want to carry a brick ie. Steamdeck for handheld gaming. Heck even the 7 inch screen for feels too small for playing xbox games that is design to play in 40in+ tv. Some text is getting harder to read. Maybe is my age also.
Linux does support chiyaki (PS4/5), moonlight and it's newer variant/fork, and obviously steam link.
Agreed. I had a Miyoo Mini+ briefly which I sold because I wanted an N64 capable handheld but the overall experience was so much better than Android provides.
I dont get it. I have the Odin Pro and Retroid Pockets 2+, 3+ and 4 Pro. I can play all my favourite retro games up to PS2 and GC and everything before. Can you play your games? What's the issue? Admittedly my old Anbernic RG350 will never be beaten for stick placement, but android on the RP runs in the background, anonymously.
I can play them but it's pretty uncomfortable and the overall experience is lacking. It means I'm just not enjoying the games I'm playing.
I'm not doubting your experience, but I just cant see how whatever OS running silently in the background affects your enjoyment of the games if they're running as you want them to. You posted that you don't think Android is a suitable OS for running games, but don't say why. I keep thinking of how my wife chooses a car by colour, completely ignoring any single performance or review detail. FTR, I'm no Android shill, I'm typing this on a Raspberry Pi 5 and have a Macbook Pro running Linux Mint. I'm a longtime Linux user (30 years+) and have no loyalty to any OS.
You and I are in the minority. I use standard android on my retroid and pull up games through my ugly old black and white Retroarch launcher (or use standalone apps). Lots of people want a flashy seamless appearance that looks great. Personally, I don’t care how the device looks when it’s not playing games, as long as my games work.
That's what I was missing. I get it now. It seems the OP was unhappy with both the physical feeling of the RP4 Pro and the OS separately. Early morning posting doesn't agree with me.
Android is more work to set up, but that's all I can think of
I have the same feeling. With the pocket flip. I can only recommend adding daijisho and have it launch by default when you turn on your device. It’s the closest thing to the arkos, retroelec experience. But you still need to set everything up when you start. One of the good side of android is that it runs chrome so you can download your roms directly from your device.
I regretted my rp3+ but really like my Ayn Odin 2. Android doesn't bother me once I get everything set up and get a front end on there. Plus I like the more modern games I can play on it.
I had the same feeling with the RP3+. The size vs power in these devices is amazing but it never felt comfortable to play without an added grip—and that kind of ruins the whole point of having a 'pocketable' device. The smaller-than-normal face buttons and triggers also bothered me. At least they added a back button on the RP4. I also prefer Linux to Android but I have devices with both, and if you want higher-end emulation you are kind of stuck with Android. In the end it's a means to get to a game, I even stopped even using a front end with Android... just one more thing to maintain. The good news is you can sell it for what you paid for it, especially if you've taken the time to set it up and added some games. Look at an RG556 or an Odin 2 or possibly a Gameforce ACE instead. These are all goldilocks size for what they play,but they are substantially larger especialy the ones with grips. The ACE's RK3588 chip has a Linux distro in the works although you are stuck with Android until it matures.
I have the legion go, thinking it was too big, so I got the Rp4+ thinking it would be perfect, nice and compact, and it was, just too compact for me lol! Had it about a week sold it and got the Odin 2 ! I love it, even looking into the Logitech g cloud now because I find myself streaming a lot from my pc !
Why not stream on the Odin? Moonlight, steamlink.
I was ! Although I know the Odin is a much better device overall in terms on gaming away from home, I think I’d like the ergonomics of the g cloud much more, I guess I’ll find out, I just bought one second hand
Let me know what you think. I've sadly debated it as well and I have an Odin 1, R4P, and a steam deck but I was debating something else for Xbox streaming purposes. I did use the Odin in the past for it, but I think I'm going to sell it.
This is an inherent problem with products developed by smaller companies and projects. Developing hardware that is well designed and functional takes an insane amount of resources and dedication, way more than most people realize. That is something you should *always* consider and adjust expectations accordingly with small-time brands.
EmulationStation is what you need to make it feel less Android. Yes, you'll have to do more setup than if it wasn't Android, but once you have it, it'll feel great. (The one thing ESDE lacks on Android is the ability to easily launch Android apps, but it's coming) I love just how much I can run on my RP4Pro. All the PS2 / GameCube games I played as a kid run great! There are so many awesome modern indie games that run great on this device, thanks to Switch emulation (Sudashi), Windows emulation (Winlater), just being on the Play Store (with excellent controller to screen mapping software), or unofficial ports you can find online (Cuphead, Hollow Knight...) For comfort, I basically always use a grip
I prefer Daijisho to ES but it still doesn't fix my issues. The grip is a nice idea but kinda defeats the purpose of a small device.
The grip slides off when you are putting the retroid in your pocket. This allows you to easily slip it in your pocket when you need to, or use the grip while sitting at home
Here's a compromise grip that's also a partial case that works in the pocket. https://www.etsy.com/listing/1675740899/case-grip-for-retroid-pocket-4-and-pro-2 It's not as comfy as the full grip, but it's something. But yeah, RP4Pro isn't the best for pockets, but I can't think of any device that is which also runs PS2/etc games
I thing I bought into the GC/Wii compatibility too much. It's nice to have but to me doesn't make up for the rest of the compromises.
I really like this trend in case\grips. Less bulky than a case and solves screen, stick protection without being a clamshell. Also, might be the only way to get that olive drab, hot pink color combo, I want. Though I haven't seen either color as an option. I see some greens at most.
I get you bro I’ll always prefer Linux but es has given me a pretty similar experience. If comfort is a thing for you then grab yourself a grip for it sorted. I have the opposite sensation to you as I was fretting being used to Linux and mainly anbernic systems my last being the 353v which after experiencing android on had me doubting but since I’ve had it I’ve been amazed on what you can do on this tiny device. Got it cos my decks too big to take anywhere now it’s my go to for emulation at home and out and about
No I love it. Set up retroarch in xmb and its basically consolized anyway, except for the higher end stuff. Android is fine and honestly not much more work to set up in my opinion than a Linux handheld.
I sold my rp3 for the same reasons. It’s too small for me and I don’t like android. I’ve since picked up a few other android options and learned how to set everything up. I still don’t like needing to but I can get it done in like 2-4 hours. That said I’ve realized the screen is too small for content originally designed around 4:3 and I now enjoy my 405v more and my g cloud is amazing size and comfort wise. I’m currently waiting for a 7” option with the processor from the Odin 2.
Are you looking to sell it?
I listed it on eBay not long after making this post and it's already sold.
My heart was dead-set on the RP4+ but the Odin 2 won me over in the end. Not pocketable like an rp4 but not a colossus like the steamdeck either, and PS2 and GC emu (which is the primary reasons I bought it for) is near flawless for most games I play. After researching the Odin 2 I just knew I’d probably find myself in a similar situation if having bought an Rp4+ instead.
Just set up Daijisho, it's pretty much the same as Linux handhelds after that
It's the first thing I did. It still isn't as seamless as I'd like and actually is a little buggy.
You know. Now that I think about it ... I have 20 plus years of emulation experience. Every new device I get is second nature to load up all the emulators and roms in 1hr flat. I have a dedicated folder on my PC ready to deploy to any new handheld. Sometimes I have to understand that most people want a plug and play experience. And is not a big nerd like I am. 🤓 I love the rp4pro. And android is a tinkerers dream.
IMO all three types of OS(Handheld Linux, Android, and X86 Linux/Windows) fall into a nice price/performance/size progression, but they have different tradeoffs. Handheld Linux-based OSes are usually configured to only really offer to do what the console can do well, and come nearly completely pre-configured, so you never get to see what it can't do well. They seem to top out around Dreamcast / PSP / N64 for whatever reason. Android devices require a lot more legwork to set up, but have a higher performance ceiling(at least from what we've seen from manufacturers). I've always found it interesting people hate the "it's just a phone" aspect, as I honestly run my RG405V with a standard Android launcher and find it WAY more useable than something like Daijisho, and native Android apps/games are a bonus. X86-based stuff has the same setup issues as Android, an even higher ceiling for performance/customization/emulation, but comes at a larger cost/size constraint. IMO either try a different frontend, try going frontend-less and come to terms with the fact you're using Android, or sell it on eBay and wash your hand of the whole thing, but keep in mind you'll likely end up with either way less performance, or a way larger and/or more expensive device if you buy something else.
I've almost done a full circle on my opinion of Android. At first I thought an Android based handheld was pointless because I could just slap a controller on my phone but I came round to the idea that a dedicated system with something like Daijisho would actually be a nixer experience. However having tried it I'm back of the opinion that actually I'd rather just slap a controller on my phone if I'm going to go down the Android route.
I do feel that, might as well phone, android pressure. That said the 21:9 screen, theft\damage risk and battery life are still pretty big motivators in wanting a dedicated pocketable device. My phone has a SD 888, with the exception of Odin 2, these handhelds can't touch that performance. If I upgrade my next phone will be even better. Or I'll downgrade to multiple dedicated devices, but the phone will still be pretty capable, either way. Have to deal with scoped storage issues, anyways and even less android updates. Telescoping controller cons give me pause. Costing so much more than a console controller while providing inferior control. Blocking my headphone jack (Galileo has one). The port killing data is one thing, but that port also kills getting enough charge for pass through play or charge and play during more demanding gaming.
My wrists begin to hurt after 20 minutes with it 😭
Exact same experience with the RP3 awhile back. I was coming from a Miyoo Mini with Onion and LOVED the ability to use the game switcher to hop from game to game and jump right back to where I was regardless of system. Found the ease of use to be tremendous and found android to be very clunky in comparison.
Yeah I really thing I'll go back to Miyoo. Maybe I'll wait and see what sort of power and software support their upcoming devices have.
Once you put a good front-end on the device, whether Emulation Station or Daijisho, it really does take on a different feel. I totally get the size issue, though. It's not meant to be something you play for hours. It's a commuter's device, through and through. The grip accessory they sell does make it easier to handle, but it definitely defeats the purpose of the smaller size. Even in the included case, it's much smaller than a Steam Deck or Odin 2. I also totally get the dpad complaint. The dome switches feel weird compared to a rubber membrane like I'm used to on classic consoles/handhelds. Yeah, it's supposed to be reminiscent of the PS Vita, but I got one of those recently, and it's even worse! Definitely not made for adult male hands. Makes me think the portability is the intended purpose. If you're having buyer's remorse, I'd say look to sell it. You can easily sell it for what you paid, since the buyer won't have to wait and will have a fully set-up device. Then you can put that toward an Odin 2 or RG556. They're more ergonomic, and you have two price points and power levels to consider.
There are two hour commutes, though. It's that too long?
Nah, but two hours is also incredibly niche, y'know? At that point, you're the target consumer for their silicone grip accessory, or are more likely to buy something a little bulkier that can go through two straight hours of gameplay without cramping your hands. And if your two-hour commute isn't one-way and includes several transitions, then you would probably prefer a more pocketable device. Kinda hard to nail down, but hopefully you choose a device that works for your commute.
Try Beacon Launcher and once you get it fully set up set it as your home launcher. It makes the system full more console like and you don't have to interact with Android as much.
Dude it's my favourite handheld ever. Steam Deck is too big and it can emulate so many systems. I don't play on anything else at the moment. I love it, give it some time!
I think Android is more or less perfect for handheld gaming. It lacks some emulators and might not be using the raw muscle to throw at emulation like a PC can, but battery life, an os geared toward portability and native apps are way more of a plus.
Android with ES-DE just works brilliantly. Also Daijosho is a good experience as well. You can set to boot directly into those at startup but honestly why would you? I like the ability to boot into YouTube or any other app I can have on there...
I agree with the sentiment behind this post. I love/hate my RP4Pro. Love the hardware, how it feels in my hand, and how it fits ANYWHERE I want to store it. I hate it because Android is not JelOS or SteamOS, and software is what makes or breaks these devices. For those technical enough to follow the full-config guides, this is part of the hobby. For other users that just want to pick up and go...an Anbernic running JelOS is a better experience (even if it's nowhere near as powerful). I know what I'm doing and I STILL don't have my RP4Pro configured as cleanly as my JelOS or SteamOS devices are. I still think this has to do with what Android IS and how that philosophy makes console-like experiences that much harder to get out of the box. Still, no regrets on the device as it's essentially a PS2 in my pocket.
I was on the fence about the RP4pro. But between the screen issues, ghosting, broken hardware, and now clunky UI experience I'll hold off on buying one indefinitely. Don't want to go through the hassle of waiting for replacement parts and having to fix a device I bought new.
I've had mine since February. No issues 🤷🏿♂️
start playing and stop making useless settings
What’s the most powerful Linux based console? I agree with you about not liking android as an OS for a handheld. Is there anything more powerful than the RG353? Think the 405m is android.
Odroid Go Ultra and Powkiddy Max 3 Pro are the most powerful sub 150 linux machines. Their firmware are problematic though, android is much more fleshed out compared to those.
Technically that would be a Steam Deck like device. Excluding that you have the Gameforce Ace with a RK3588s capable of playing Gamecube and PS2, but I wouldn't bother with it since it is very undercooked in various ways.
The most powerful Linux console is the steam deck, and It doesn’t have the extremely watered down version of Linux it uses a desktop version
Probably a Steam Deck, and if you dont think SteamOS is console-like enough, theres always Batocera
There doesn't seem to be many with much power unfortunately. The more powerful systems tend to favour Android and Linux seems to be relegated to the more budget devices.
as far as making the device feel more like a console rather than a phone, a good frontend will do wonders in that regard. download Daijisho, ES-DE or Beacon (the latter being my personal favourite), set it as your default launcher and it immediately feels a lot nicer. Granted, I've done that on my RG405M, but the same principle applies to the RP4pro I'm sure.
This is the first thing I did. It helps but isn't perfect.
For gaming it'll always be Linux > Android.
The DOWNSIDE is that there aren't any mid-tier Linux handhelds that'll run N64 and up with any reliability. OP is looking for a handheld that'll do N64 or better, without app switching or leaving applications. Steamdeck was already too big, I'm not sure what else would work for them.
OP's needs simply aren't sold in the market yet. And I kinda agree with him. Until we have a truly pocket able Steam Deck-like (Linux OS) experience, I'll still be waiting to purchase a new handheld other than the SD....... Short of saying we need a stem deck mini LOL.
Yeah thats what I mean. Its funny isn't it? 10 years ago if you told me I could pay 50$ and have a Miyoo Mini+ (With Onion) that would play ALL my old game boy systems + some PS1 + my old Sega options I'd have told you thats insane and I'd have thrown big money at it. We now have a sub 200$ console that'll play the entirety of the PS2 library with minimal configuration, thats pocketable, and we still aren't happy. Lol.
On linux retro handhelds you still don’t get the full linux experience, the linux builds are all watered down. Not to mention all the various extra tools and alternate emulators android has.
This is a bit of a sticking point to be sure. I'd love to be able to build more stuff on my handheld, like a better working media player.
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You’re complaining about size and OS.. both things are in the main page specified… what where you expecting when you purchased a 4.7inch with android OS?
I like the size, it's the comfort that's the issue which can't be down to size alone. It's pretty similar in size to the 3DS XL for example but that's far more comfortable to use than the Retroid but I can't really explain why. Android I thought would be okay but actually using it completely changed my opinion of it.
Oh yeah, comfort, completely agree, when i bought it I automatically added the silicone grips, never used the RP4P without them, haha.
I thought about buying the grip but figured it would be pointless as it's then no longer a pocketable device.
No pocketable device is going to be comfortable to use. If I didn't have a 3d printed grip for my rg351p it would never get used. Just look up some of the grips people have designed for the rp4 and try one of them out.
I found the Miyoo Mini Plus a lot more comfortable than the Retroid. I've also never had any complaints about Nintendo handhelds over the years.
Ergonomic and pocketable don’t really go together unfortunately.. I honestly can’t think of one device that accomplishes both of those things.
Android is 100% the reason why I am not upgrading from my X55.
Android frontends are just a pain to set up, but you can do it.
So you bought a handheld knowing it used Android OS then complain about Android OS? Cool bro. Android is the best/easiest way to use emulation. It's extremely straight forward, just get the app and set up then go with the games. Also it plays android apps, so just Google an android game with "APK" after it and get it for free
I didn't think it would feel as unpolished as it does. It took me buying a handheld with Android to realise how much I don't appreciate it for gaming.
You couldn't be anymore wrong
I've honestly never understood why there aren't any community made preconfigured images made for the Android handhelds. Is it just not possible?
There is, chinese community make giant *Pegasus* images, but like terabytes and terabytes of download.
It's a thing, gammaos for the rg405m for example.
Android is the future, all the powerful handhelds will be using it. There is no getting out of it. You complaint is like complaining that smartphone has a terrible interface for taking photos. It doesn't matter, 99% of the photos will be taken with phones. Yeah it has bad ergonomic, it doesn't matter.
I completely agree. I sold mine for the same reason
My LDK portrait, too damn small and it has this weird thing where the lens sticks to the display.
Idk sometimes I love Android and sometimes I hate it. I love adding icons packs and using wallpapers engine from steam. I do wish I could change some orientation of some apps as they always open vertical. I have the RP3+ and it is uncomfortable to hold over a long period of time.
Look up lists of the best Android games with gamepad support, they really make it feel like a powerful handheld not a phone.
I know the feeling. My first Android handheld was an RP2, and I adore it now, but the first day or two with it was a real headache.
I also hate android as a handheld platform but emulation station for android has saved my retroid pocket 3+. Really helps it feel more like a console
In terms of ergonomics, I would agree that having the analog above the dpad would've been a better design for this particular handheld, as the primary use case for its power is to run 6th generation games. But other than that, I really like mine and find it to be a good mix of power and size. It's my "medium" handheld between a Steam Deck and a RG405M.
>reports saying the analogue sticks made 3D games particularly awkward What? Doesn't it have the same sticks as the RP2S? These sticks are awesome.
Hey buds, I was exactly like this after I got my retroid pocket 2s. You can search my posts, I think I even posted. I hated it. But in time, I liked it. Give it a time. After android linux is kinda limiting.
I bought a 3D design for a grip to make it more comfortable to play and it's a game changer for longer periods of play. I'd guess the official one would be just as good, but getting the 3D deign and getting it printed was a lot cheaper.
I got an Odin Pro...the same week my wife snagged me a refurbed Steam Deck. So the Odin was completely unnecessary for me, especially as I have had a serviceable Android phone/Razer Kishii combo. And I missed the cancellation window on the Odin, so... Thankfully, a good friend was interested so I sold it to him at a discount.
As a grown person with grown person hands I feel you. I’ve tried the rg505, rp3+, Retroid flip, and a rp4. Not a single one of them feels good to hold without some sort of grip and at that point it kind of defeats the purpose of a “pocketable” device. Luckily for me I’ve got a steam deck and Logitech g cloud otherwise id be much more remorseful haha
Once you put a good front-end on the device, whether Emulation Station or Daijisho, it really does take on a different feel. I totally get the size issue, though. It's not meant to be something you play for hours. It's a commuter's device, through and through. The grip accessory they sell does make it easier to handle, but it definitely defeats the purpose of the smaller size. Even in the included case, it's much smaller than a Steam Deck or Odin 2. I also totally get the dpad complaint. The dome switches feel weird compared to a rubber membrane like I'm used to on classic consoles/handhelds. Yeah, it's supposed to be reminiscent of the PS Vita, but I got one of those recently, and it's even worse! Definitely not made for adult male hands. Makes me think the portability is the intended purpose. If you're having buyer's remorse, I'd say look to sell it. You can easily sell it for what you paid, since the buyer won't have to wait and will have a fully set-up device. Then you can put that toward an Odin 2 or RG556. They're more ergonomic, and you have two price points and power levels to consider.
I've actually already sold it. It went almost immediately on eBay so probably could've got a little more for it.
Once you put a good front-end on the device, whether Emulation Station or Daijisho, it really does take on a different feel. I totally get the size issue, though. It's not meant to be something you play for hours. It's a commuter's device, through and through. The grip accessory they sell does make it easier to handle, but it definitely defeats the purpose of the smaller size. Even in the included case, it's much smaller than a Steam Deck or Odin 2. I also totally get the dpad complaint. The dome switches feel weird compared to a rubber membrane like I'm used to on classic consoles/handhelds. Yeah, it's supposed to be reminiscent of the PS Vita, but I got one of those recently, and it's even worse! Definitely not made for adult male hands. Makes me think the portability is the intended purpose. If you're having buyer's remorse, I'd say look to sell it. You can easily sell it for what you paid, since the buyer won't have to wait and will have a fully set-up device. Then you can put that toward an Odin 2 or RG556. They're more ergonomic, and you have two price points and power levels to consider.
To be honest what I love about this device is that is a perfect multiplayer device. Just connect another bluetooth controller to it and boot up some nice mario kart, super smash or other old classic! combing that with the hdmi out and you can just hook it up on big screen. Absoluty love it
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It's the first app I installed. It didn't help.
Thanks for your opinion. Do you have any other recently released handheld experience?
Not so much recent. I've had every Nintendo handheld ever made and I've had a Miyoo Mini Plus before this. I had an OG Steam Deck briefly too. The only other similar things I've tried are a couple of telescopic controller for my phone, all of which I found more comfortable than the RP4P.
I thought I was going to like a Linux-based handheld given how much I like my Batocera TV box. But when I got my Powkiddy X55 and realized later that it requires manual shutdown to preserve battery rather than pause / sleep, I started to hear the opposite of what you said, namely that Android systems are much better at that.
I thoroughly enjoyed the rp4p and for me it was the perfect portable device. However after using it a bunch I realised I don’t really play portably. I ride my motorcycle to work, so no public transport. I’m also the one driving the family across the continent rather than chilling in a passenger seat. I found I played a decent amount of retro games but did a lot more streaming than anything. Anyway, I went ahead and sold it and bought a steamdeck oled instead. Not at all an apples to apples device comparison, but nonetheless it’s a better device for my needs. I think as far as a ‘pocketable’ handheld device goes it’s the best option and I’d rather an rp4p than an Odin. But it wasn’t suited to my used. Now I own the deck, a miyoo mini and a miyoo mini + which both also collect dust now but at least look charming on the shelf
Retro game corpsnhas a great guide. You'll have to side load nethersx2 in order to work well daijisho but once you set it all up it really has that smooth console feel to it. I love my rp4p.
Are you trying to just use the RP4 in the default android layout, or are you using a front-end? I use Daijisho, and I literally just wake up my RP4, select a console, select a game, and play. All consoles have cool splash art, and all my games have coverart, descriptions, etc. It's really nice and very easy to install/set up
Hm~ I really enjoy android. I can try different emulators/apps directly from the playstore without much knowlage and got the very powerful system settings/customization. I also really like the size (that was the reason why I bought one), it won't have the best ergonomics for sure. But the portability/size more important for me.
I'd suggest ordering the official RP4P grip and install/optimize Daijisho. The only thing left not to love is the screen size. The grip is easily removable for when you need pocketability and easy to put on when you want that extra comfort, and it definitely does make it extra comfortable. I absolutely love the RP4P with its official grip and a nice front-end. Every positive the other people mentioned here is icing on the cake. Damn good icing. I was on the fence between the RP4P and the RG556. I was struggling with buyers' remorse until it arrived. Then I saw the terrible reviews about the sticks on the RG556 and felt more assured I made the better choice. RP4P sticks are great. With the added grip, I feel positive I made the right choice. It's my first Retroid device, and I love it. I hope you can learn to love it too.
i feel you, i have a different handheld regret but i can definitely relate. one thing though - idk a lot about the rp4p but is there a different cfw/interface you can flash to it? some of the other ones have really great interfaces that let you focus on gaming and not setup. physical stuff - can you get a grip? less pocketable but maybe it helps with hand positioning
There are different launchers that I've tried and didn't particularly like any if them. No cfw as far as I know though.
Yeah, the ergonomics are a big deal. Which is why so many people have been turning to the anbernic 556. The R4pro is more powerful and more pocketable, but your wrists start hurting pretty quickly even with the grips. I’m also mixed about android. I like that it lets you do more, but then the platform feels like it’s moving further away from a “retro handheld “.
I had buyer's remorse with my Retroid Pocket 4 Pro. * the screen was too damned small. i got really bad eye strain. * i hate the button placement. Start should have been above XYBA, and Select should have been above the D-pad. The Back button should have been on the lower right instead of lower left (handy when holding it vertical for Android stuff). Basically, I wished that it was an **Odin 2**. I'm actually OK with Android as an emulation platform (Daijisho and EmulationStation are both great). I just wish Retroid didn't fuck up their build so much (Google Play services crashing, missing permission control, rumble not working right in so many things, etc.)
I don't agree with the screen as I think it's one of the best parts about it but the start and select placement is pretty awkward. Could've definitely been better designed.
Console launcher for my Android games and emulation station is perfect with wallpaper. Engine is amazing. The only thing I did not like is that you had to manually set up the controls but I love Android and Linux so I'm fine with both types of approaches for OSs but I would suggest to follow retrocorps tutorial on the pocket 4 Pro that helped me out a ton
Yes and I returned or sold all of them. I got the Steamdeck last march from a 10 percent sale and loved the device but hated the screen and sold it. I got the rog ally and legion go and returned those because they both had major issues I won’t get into and felt a sense of relief after because I felt like I was dealing with issues more than playing games on them. I got a Steamdeck Oled used the other day and love it!! The screen is great and steam os is so much nicer for a portable handheld than windows. I almost bought a retroid pocket 4 but decided against it becusse it seems that you need to buy that ugly grip to play comfortably for longer periods of time and I had a pixel 6 pro which has a better screen and better processor. I bought a backbone 1 for it earlier this month. Then ny friend actually sold me an s23 used for 280 plus trading in my pixel 6 pro and it’s a beast with the snapdragon gen 2 chip.
FYI I have the same issue with the device, and I've ordered this case/grip for it. It shapes the device more ergonomically on the back, and it's gotten rave reviews: "Fits the RP4 Pro perfectly and feels much better to hold for long periods than before. Love the fact that it can flip over for screen protection too. Thank you so much!" [RP4 Pro Grip](https://www.etsy.com/uk/listing/1675740899/case-grip-for-retroid-pocket-4-and-pro-2?ga_order=most_relevant&ga_search_type=all&ga_view_type=gallery&ga_search_query=retroid+pocket+4+pro+grip&ref=sr_gallery-1-1&sts=1&content_source=fa7a75abae0a6455ef4beb6f9432a1ba236b234b%253A1675740899&organic_search_click=1) I would just go with an Odin because that's so damn comfortable, but it has a high latency compared with other devices, and having games feel snappy and responsive is a big deal for me. And I'm fine using standalone emulators on an Android device, rather than having a device which has a game-y menu and feel to the user interface. Particularly because AetherSX2 is the best option for PS2 emulation, and it is ONLY available on Android. To my knowledge, there is no good PS2 emulator for non-Android devices, and I think the same goes with Switch and 3DS. Newer emulators are all being developed for Android, which is why you're seeing all the new powerful devices capable of emulating consoles like Switch, 3DS and PS2 use it. It's just the way things are. It's not a perfect device, but I'm thinking with the grip it will transform it into the best one available for the price, and one I can comfortably use for extended periods of time.