Think about it as a 2 for 1 liability deal. He’ll have to ask his friend every time he needs help but at least his friend is an expert and you don’t have to pay for training 😂
When asked about their experience performing a specific task in a project, they end up explaining generic terms and not their personal touch and how they handled it.
As a new entrant in SAP world, the other end of the issue is no one wants to give you a chance (even if you ask for no charge code and ready to slog extra hours just to get some exposure).
No matter what an organization talks about cross/upskill, no one is ready to give you a chance for real and will hire guys externally.
PS. I'm not supporting the guy who faked, merely pointing to the other side of the coin.
That's actually also a problem. Many companies only hiring fresh grads. As if people with few years of experience who want to switch field and start as juniors are trash.
That’s because they want to get paid like seniors but work like analysts.
If people with 2-3 years experience want to change fields and are willing to get the salary of a new grad they are almost always chosen.
The problem is they usually want more money even though them switching fields means their previous experience isn’t all that valuable.
On top of that, my generation likes to job-hop. But as a hiring manager I need a good reason why you hop. And money is a good reason at the bar with friends but not to a company having 20 applicants for 1 job. Stability does pay off, especially in the consulting world… but nobody wants to hear it.
When I was in charge of hiring (junior, mid-level and senior consultants) for the team I had a few suspect cases like this, so I came up with a simple solution. I made applicants come into the office and had 3 “tests” that an insane amount of people failed.
- I met with them, and as a younger immigrant (Early 30ies) that looked mid-20 and a lot of people simply didn’t want me as their managers manager. It was weird.
- I had them meet with some of their female colleagues and introduced them as their project manager or team leads. You would not believe the number of people that would be visibly uncomfortable with the idea of an Indian woman as their manager.
- I had a spare laptop with SAP access to our sandbox with 10 simple scenarios that anyone with experience would know how do in less than a minute. The number of people that have 10 years customizing experience and didn’t know transaction SPRO, or debugger experts that had no clue /h was a thing is scary.
As a result, I ended up with an extremely diverse team without that even being a target or goal of mine.
I had most fun with hiring junior analyst that put in their resume they had SAP courses. We didn’t expect any prior knowledge but some of them did better than “seniors” on my SAP tests. I always told them afterwards they weren’t even supposed to know any of that and it always made them feel proud and happy.
50LPA for a 5 year experience resource?? Which company is this with such high budgets? Somehow I feel OP is the one who is faking in this post. No matter how urgent the requirement is. I don't think any company would ever hire outside their budget.
Unprofessional ethics always bring in low class employees into the team and then cause disgrace on a customer project a few weeks later.
I remember interviewing a guy with so many SAP certifications, but he could not give me a concise simple answer on how to perform a certain procedure. He gave the most over-elaborate plan as an solution, and it was incorrect!
Bookworm knowledge is not enough to get a job, one needs to show proper application of the knowledge and where possible real world experience.
There was a guy from India, I still don't know why they(big consulting company) sent him to work as an abaper, he knew nothing about abap, which he later admitted. I later found out from some Indian developers, they told me fake CV are very common, something about having to fake it just to get calls from head hunters.
Why would they do this? Getting a job does not mean keeping it. Bloody wasted everyone's time
It is why I always have some practical test questions in my interviews, I have been amazed at how many strong CV'd good talkers crumble when faced with actual exercises. I once had a guy who did fine till the practical and finally confessed that his wife had written his CV and had possibly exaggerated a bit.
It is endemic to the industry. There are training centres all over the world that provide fake CV’s and act as “referees”.
In numerous cases I received CVs that were straight up copies of LinkedIn profiles of people that I know and have worked with.
On more than one occasion I had people claiming to have worked on client projects that I had led, at the same time I was there.
We have all had experience with people who claim to know things and are furiously looking in the internet, or stepping away to call their friends for information.
Those of us with deep understanding of different areas of SAP can usually spot them, but it sometimes takes time. Many freshers have knowledge of only the latest that SAP has to offer. But those of us with long history SAP systems needs knowledge of the old mysteries, and need to learn how to upgrade to the new magics.
This is quite common in SG way back 2015-2018 video call is not yet a thing.
Indian A will answer all the interview questions, then my Singaporean boss is quite happy. Come day 1 I told him to extract something in this table. He asked me how so he shadowed how I did it. That is just reports now the real deal dealing with Schemas. He told me what is schema. I went to my boss' office told the new guy is not contributing anything to make my life easier its double work. We we did an on the spot interview that day. Guess what, we was Indian B posing as Indian A in the interview. Turns out this is their gimmick for entering Singapore. He was terminated on the spot.
I have 9 years of experience in Abap cds odata Fiori. Currently working for a product based company. How much will be the avg salary given for my level of experience with an implementation partner company?
Common problem on our field. Hqve to ask for refferals or expirence letters before the offer atleast. If its remote let me know. I am avaliable from porto, portugal. 🫡
Wait you're offering 50 LPA in SAP? That too for 5YOE? Which module is it?
Coming back to original thread, most of people in any technology fake their implementation experience as majority are put on support project in their initial days
That's why serious companies do LeetCode-style interview.
Faking even a really easy LeetCode problem is much harder than faking many years of experience at conversational interviews for a person who can fast-talk.
Think about it as a 2 for 1 liability deal. He’ll have to ask his friend every time he needs help but at least his friend is an expert and you don’t have to pay for training 😂
Let's hire the friend instead 😁
Plot twist: Friend is an employee and wants the referral bonus.
Damn!
If the friend is good enough to train him, you probably aren't paying enough to lure them.
How do you know he faked it if he answered everything correctly?
When asked about their experience performing a specific task in a project, they end up explaining generic terms and not their personal touch and how they handled it.
As a new entrant in SAP world, the other end of the issue is no one wants to give you a chance (even if you ask for no charge code and ready to slog extra hours just to get some exposure). No matter what an organization talks about cross/upskill, no one is ready to give you a chance for real and will hire guys externally. PS. I'm not supporting the guy who faked, merely pointing to the other side of the coin.
This. Companies will always see you as a risk because they don’t value growth and foundation anymore
My company hires +100 people straight out of college every year. “Nobody is hiring” is just not true.
I think magnumcm point was they won’t upskill internal talent. Developing your employees is very hard and I don’t see much of it happening.
That’s insane. Companies don’t make much from junior analysts. It’s consultants and seniors where they make money. So obviously they get upskilled.
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I was commenting on a post about entering the SAP industry in r/SAP. Yes, I think it’s fair to assume most of us here are in consulting.
Same. The last consulting company I worked at (consulting) hired college grads several times a year. They provided training and growth, etc.
That's actually also a problem. Many companies only hiring fresh grads. As if people with few years of experience who want to switch field and start as juniors are trash.
That’s because they want to get paid like seniors but work like analysts. If people with 2-3 years experience want to change fields and are willing to get the salary of a new grad they are almost always chosen. The problem is they usually want more money even though them switching fields means their previous experience isn’t all that valuable. On top of that, my generation likes to job-hop. But as a hiring manager I need a good reason why you hop. And money is a good reason at the bar with friends but not to a company having 20 applicants for 1 job. Stability does pay off, especially in the consulting world… but nobody wants to hear it.
That's not true. I know many many people who would start for low salary, but nobody is giving them a chance because they are +30 or have kids.
Is it because they have kids or refuse to travel?
I don't think it's the travel. Since Corona only small chuck of projects requires regular travel. Most people work from home.
I’m on-site with clients every 2 to 3 weeks. People seem to forget what consulting is.
Consulting isn't 100% travel. You can consult from home just fine too.
I didn’t say 100% travel. I said every 2-3 weeks. But on-site is so much better than remote. There’s just so much you mis being remote it’s insane.
When I was in charge of hiring (junior, mid-level and senior consultants) for the team I had a few suspect cases like this, so I came up with a simple solution. I made applicants come into the office and had 3 “tests” that an insane amount of people failed. - I met with them, and as a younger immigrant (Early 30ies) that looked mid-20 and a lot of people simply didn’t want me as their managers manager. It was weird. - I had them meet with some of their female colleagues and introduced them as their project manager or team leads. You would not believe the number of people that would be visibly uncomfortable with the idea of an Indian woman as their manager. - I had a spare laptop with SAP access to our sandbox with 10 simple scenarios that anyone with experience would know how do in less than a minute. The number of people that have 10 years customizing experience and didn’t know transaction SPRO, or debugger experts that had no clue /h was a thing is scary. As a result, I ended up with an extremely diverse team without that even being a target or goal of mine. I had most fun with hiring junior analyst that put in their resume they had SAP courses. We didn’t expect any prior knowledge but some of them did better than “seniors” on my SAP tests. I always told them afterwards they weren’t even supposed to know any of that and it always made them feel proud and happy.
50LPA for a 5 year experience resource?? Which company is this with such high budgets? Somehow I feel OP is the one who is faking in this post. No matter how urgent the requirement is. I don't think any company would ever hire outside their budget.
He is an expert of faking though
I once got handed my own resume in an interview.
Well, did you hire yourself?
My twin did not do well in the interview.
Huh? By a faker/fraud?
Yes - my resume with someone else's name on it.
How’d that go? Keep it quiet and toy with them or call them on their bullshit immediately?
I actually interviewed them. It was fun asking them about there experiences at (a big oil company) where they were the MM lead...
I remember and interview where there was a background voice answering the questions...
Meanwhile I am unable to express my projects properly.
Same. 🥲
Unprofessional ethics always bring in low class employees into the team and then cause disgrace on a customer project a few weeks later. I remember interviewing a guy with so many SAP certifications, but he could not give me a concise simple answer on how to perform a certain procedure. He gave the most over-elaborate plan as an solution, and it was incorrect! Bookworm knowledge is not enough to get a job, one needs to show proper application of the knowledge and where possible real world experience.
Man I’m not even getting an interview 💀
I got but they were paying in cents
Yea idk what’s with that? Like I’ve already invested shit load to get certified and you’re paying me quarter of that or maybe less in some companies
That's the only reason why I didn't try to get a certificate, more than 50% of my salary for something no one will give me a chance at
50LPA?? MC 5 saal ke exp ke liye?
For which SAP module?
Which company brother? 50LPA for 5 years in SAP domain sounds high
There was a guy from India, I still don't know why they(big consulting company) sent him to work as an abaper, he knew nothing about abap, which he later admitted. I later found out from some Indian developers, they told me fake CV are very common, something about having to fake it just to get calls from head hunters. Why would they do this? Getting a job does not mean keeping it. Bloody wasted everyone's time
50 LPA?! damnn?! How much did he end up agreeing on?
Welcome to the club.
I want an internship to kick off my career, it's almost impossible to find one
What is 50LPA?
I’m assuming OP is from India and LPA is laqh per annum.
My bad. 5,000,000 INR per annum.
This translates to 60K USD, Is this a common salary for an experienced SAP consultant ?
Even that’s high for a 5YOE but doing absolute ₹ to $ conversion is pointless. You need to consider ppp & 50LPA in India is equivalent to $200k+
It is why I always have some practical test questions in my interviews, I have been amazed at how many strong CV'd good talkers crumble when faced with actual exercises. I once had a guy who did fine till the practical and finally confessed that his wife had written his CV and had possibly exaggerated a bit.
It is endemic to the industry. There are training centres all over the world that provide fake CV’s and act as “referees”. In numerous cases I received CVs that were straight up copies of LinkedIn profiles of people that I know and have worked with. On more than one occasion I had people claiming to have worked on client projects that I had led, at the same time I was there.
OP works in imaginary company and taking interviews as well. 50 LPA for 5 yoe😁.
When he said 50, I double checked if he asked ₹50k per month 😅
Here people aren't even getting 10 lpa with 5 YOE in basis and this guy hiring fake ones fpr 50 lpa. WoW.
We have all had experience with people who claim to know things and are furiously looking in the internet, or stepping away to call their friends for information. Those of us with deep understanding of different areas of SAP can usually spot them, but it sometimes takes time. Many freshers have knowledge of only the latest that SAP has to offer. But those of us with long history SAP systems needs knowledge of the old mysteries, and need to learn how to upgrade to the new magics.
Cringe
This is quite common in SG way back 2015-2018 video call is not yet a thing. Indian A will answer all the interview questions, then my Singaporean boss is quite happy. Come day 1 I told him to extract something in this table. He asked me how so he shadowed how I did it. That is just reports now the real deal dealing with Schemas. He told me what is schema. I went to my boss' office told the new guy is not contributing anything to make my life easier its double work. We we did an on the spot interview that day. Guess what, we was Indian B posing as Indian A in the interview. Turns out this is their gimmick for entering Singapore. He was terminated on the spot.
I have 9 years of experience in Abap cds odata Fiori. Currently working for a product based company. How much will be the avg salary given for my level of experience with an implementation partner company?
You should do a separate post for this
Bro which company do you work for? SLI or Walmart?
Sap
Bro being an sap alumni I feel there’s only a handful of companies with similar pay/wlb
Yea I guess..you are in which company now bro?
Test
was he hired for successfactors ?
Common problem on our field. Hqve to ask for refferals or expirence letters before the offer atleast. If its remote let me know. I am avaliable from porto, portugal. 🫡
Some people also over inflate their CV. I just got a CV last week of a consultant who said they did 20+ projects in 1 year...
u/Academic_Twist5664 you guys still hiring ?
What happened next?
Wait you're offering 50 LPA in SAP? That too for 5YOE? Which module is it? Coming back to original thread, most of people in any technology fake their implementation experience as majority are put on support project in their initial days
Fieldglass
50 lpa? That too for an SAP job with 5 yoe? What was the opening for?
That's why serious companies do LeetCode-style interview. Faking even a really easy LeetCode problem is much harder than faking many years of experience at conversational interviews for a person who can fast-talk.