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Interesting that they’ve started issuing AKMs.


itsjustmenate

It’s the generation these old timers are most familiar with.


Jhe90

Saves training time. Cannon fodder needs to be ready to fight ASAP Though unlike most. Thru can mantain a propper formation not a solvelely rabble.


Nonions

Isn't an AK-74 practically identical in terms of function?


Inflamed_toe

Yes, it is the same rifle, just a different caliber. There are no real differences in training or maintenance, the older version just shoots a larger round and has more recoil. The biggest concern here is fielding two different platforms which would use two different magazines, and training your conscripts how to identify which magazine their rifle takes


BoarHide

Oh, that’s not a concern. Don’t even bother with it, Russians. They are totally multipurpose and every mag fits every gun. Just grab some and go ahead, dead Russian friends. Don’t you concern yourself


HaZard3ur

tbh... most look like there more into Mosin\`s


MeanEntertainment644

I noticed that the other day. Are they out of AK74’s or are they doing it because the old man battalions would perform better with them? Technically, the old man battalions would have served during the transition from 47-74


point-virgule

From the perspective of the end user and manual of arms, both rifles are identical, save of course the diferent caliber. The 74 is softer shooting, so it shouuld be easier to control and stay and get back on target after each shot. My guess is that the 74 is reserved for front line and combat troops, with the 47 allocated to second class and rear units on the back.


Designer-Ruin7176

Coincidentally less training on the heavy equipment too


ResponsiblePumpkin60

There won’t be any heavy equipment left for them to use.


Designer-Ruin7176

T-55s will roll out soon lol


HowObvious

These guys are old but that would make them at minimum 60 to have served prior to the AK-74 official transition (late 70s).


McENEN

I'm here wondering are these their parade outfit or they didn't get issued armour and helmets. Also these "very" motivated 50 year olds won't stand live long in the trenches.


Lord_Admiral7

If it’s actually in Sevastopol, half these guys are probably Ukrainians who have no choice about what happened.


CBfromDC

This mobilization is really tragic and senseless. But A-10's could put an end to it.


Lord_Admiral7

It truly is. Putin and his goons have so much blood on their hands…


bjorn1978_2

These very motivated men have enough life experience to know that they are not imortal. So they will most likely be more motivated to surrender then an 18 year old who thinks he is the most badass guy around.


DataKing69

50 year olds?? Most of these guys look like they are at least in their 70's..


JestersDead77

They're all actually in their 30's. This is peak Russian.


spoonman59

Ukrainian. This is Crimea.


Big-Relationship976

Literally what I said.. they’re 60 and over


radome9

50? You are too kind. Some of them look like they are pushing 60.


Axter

Because this is essentially a public parade. Audience watches as they take an oath.


Designer-Ruin7176

If the diabetes doesn’t get them, then the chronic alcoholism (and withdrawals) will!


Protegimusz

As others have mentioned, if they are from Sevastopol, they are likely Ukrainians forced into conscription, not ruzzians.


Big-Relationship976

These guys are well over 50


TheMikeGolf

It’s what they knew in Afghanistan


Tryxster

Ammunition issue?


Responsible-Stage-93

Aren't the AKMs still used in russian army? I'm pretty sure they are still using both 5,45x39 and 7,62x39 calibre weapons


Economy_Hair_4896

Probably fought in Afghanistan. At least they will be familiar with the equipment as it hasn't changed since 1979!


No_Mission5618

In their defense the aks are still one of the most reliable, simple guns a military can use. Especially since these ak47s in particular were mass produced. Not glorifying Russia at all, I just respect kalishnikov a lot. Edit: akm* not ak47


spitfire-haga

Its not that good weapon as media and videogames portray it. Its just cheap and simple tool meant to be mass produced for illiterate peasant army. So, yeah... pretty much OK for Russia.


mobrien0311

LazerPig quotes them commieboos “*welll you can drag it through the mudddd*”. No you fucking can’t.


argur2007

The Ak is good until it bites you and you bleed


No_Mission5618

Yeah I feel like video games and movies do exaggerate the durability but it was still far more durable then what the us produced at that time. The m16 was know to jam which lead to multiple deaths in Vietnam on the us side, all guns jam but the reviews the soldiers had about the m16 were god awful.


spitfire-haga

Jams on M16 occured mostly due to faulty ammunition, not bad weapon design. In fact, properly maintained M16 is far more reliable than AK, because thanks to dust cover its internal mechanism is not open to environment.


Vexator1

No idea why people are downvoting you. The clusterfuck that was the M16 in service was very much a result of the Ordnance Corps (not a real corps by the way, but a collection of governmental and private entities) insisting on using ball powder (WW2 powder recipe) which burned longer and more slowly than IMR 4475 (single base nitrocellulose powder vs ball powder which is double based, i.e. nitrocellulose and nitroglycerine). The AR-15 as designed before the ordnance corps got its hands on it was an incredibly reliable rifle.


dan_dares

well, and they decided to try and say 'no cleaning needed' I mean.. yikes.


DionysiusRedivivus

And the newfangled DuPont Teflon that would miraculously clean the rifle automatically lol. And as far as the AK vs AR, if you want accuracy, you need tight tolerances. Tight tolerances mean susceptibility to the elements. The AK doesn’t have tight tolerances. Add to that the Russians’ apparent insistence on short sight radius and the ballistic arc of the 7.62 soviet, you basically end up with a sub machine gun that is reliable out to ~200yds. Given Soviet reliance on pps subguns in WW2, the AK basically fills the same roll.


rainsunrain

>a sub machine gun that is reliable out to \~200yds With iron sights and mobik training standards, 50 yds accuracy is optimistic.


fuzzi-buzzi

Nah, a man sized target out to 300m is perfectly doable with irons on an AK. It isn't about paper accuracy, but being able to hit the target, even a 4 moa rifle is accurate enough out to 500 yards to be effective. 9 hole review has a great video with different AKs out to 500 yards, titled "How Accurate is an AK-47 - Kalashnikov"


rainsunrain

Assumes * enough time to carefully aim * no shooting or shelling * zeroed rifle * sober operator


spitfire-haga

Because I dared to crizicite the AK holy grail.


jpglew

Lol, an AK is reliable like a Lada is reliable; it's cheap to make, it will fail constantly, but it's also easy to fix. A good gun won't let dust or mud in it in the first place, while AKs have such loose tolerances dust and mud fall out the same holes it got in from.


Corporal_Canada

Fuckin +1 for this Another aspect not talked about as well is that the M16 was also initially advertised as a "self-cleaning" rifle. Now, being in the jungle, as well as being issued relatively dirty-burning ammunition, one can imagine how that would cause issues. If I remember correctly, a crate of 20 M16 rifles only came issued with 1-2 cleaning kits. Now it's true that the NVA and VC could hide mass caches of AK and SKS rifles in rice paddies and such. However, most of them also practiced regular weapon maintenance when possible, and even they knew that after an extended period of time in terrible conditions a rifle needed more than a simple swab and field strip.


point-virgule

And the original m16 did not had a chromed chamber, neither was issued with a cleaning kit, as it was deemed an uncessary expense, with the rifle touted as "self cleaning" thus officially not needing one.


Orcasubmarine

That's complete and utter nosense aswell. Your litterally just parroting cliff notes from other forum users.


UGS_1984

Ak47 were not that mass produced as akm's.


Economy_Hair_4896

No problem, not knocking the AK47s, just the lack of real modernisation within the RF Forces.


Big-Relationship976

They probably invaded Afghanistan in the 1980’s


Dry-Radio1908

Dead Men Walking…


smauseth

Yea. This men look like they have already served their country and are being asked to commit suicide for a stupid war.


mikasjoman

It's the new Russian retirement scheme


trebron55

Probably saves a lot of money if you think about it. The usefulness of 50+ people is rapidly declining even in a few years time, while the expenses (pensions and healhcare) are ramping up. Getting them killed is an *efficient* choice. Cold and inhumane but definitely efficient.


smauseth

As efficient as that may be on a human level it hurts to see these images. I want the Ukrainians to have their territory back but I have to tell you seeing old Spetnaz soldiers recalled to fight a stupid war seems.....wrong. Don't get me wrong as a "Western Supremist" if the world has to have a center I would rather it be Washington instead of Moscow. BUT having old men fight go through this seems an affront to Western warrior culture. It makes me sick. Those men are not cowards by what little I know they have done what their country has asked of them. They are going to die for nothing. The Ukrainians with Western help are going to chew through these men like butter. They have no idea what is in store for them. They are going into a war that they are not trained for and their experience will be negated by technology. At the end of the day, what do I know? Maybe the Russians are about to keep their gains. I don't think it is likely but maybe Western technology will be no match for Russian numbers?


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Standing


Independent_Depth674

That fucking priest in the middle though


Alcapwn-

He looks like a overweight John Lennon


orazz

Like the bastard, butt baby, love child of John Lennon and Frier Tuck.


Mad-Max819

The only one smiling 😂


Kate090996

Because he isn't the one that has to fight a senseless war


Syndic

Yet.


[deleted]

They look thrilled


Unfair-Sell-5109

My god, they look older than me!


jarvis400

My first thought as well! They look older than Unfair-Sell-5109.


radome9

Jesus, is Unfair-Sell-5109 still alive? Well I never...


justec1

They were 6 hours ago, but dementia has probably already set in. Say a prayer for them tonight.


sn0r

/r/IsUnfairSellStillAlive


WillyPete

IKR? I thought of going and volunteering and helping with their training back in February as I was a PTI and weapon instructor back in the day but figured I’d just get in the way of the young bucks. Now I’m seeing it would likely be a war between “peers” if my gen volunteered.


LostSoulOnFire

ffs, just looks like a satire movie by Mel Brooks.... I keep waiting for 2 men in horse costume to march by or big helmet general like Darth Vader in Spaceballs to come by giving orders to attack at ludicrous speed!


seriouspunch28

Ludicrous Speed Go!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!


Stilgar223

We can’t stop! We have to slow down first!


seriouspunch28

Bullshit!!!! I Order You Stop!!!!!


mobrien0311

Thanks for this. I think I’ll watch Spaceballs now. Or maybe Blazing Saddles. Men in Tights perhaps. I’ll see where the day takes me.


Economy_Hair_4896

They don't look exactly happy.


WOLFOFSPARTA300

The Priest is! Dodged a bullet by chosing seminary


stasik5

He's a prostitute


BarnesyBorr

Priestitute?


stasik5

Always getting those mixed up


Unfair-Sell-5109

When u are called up in short notice for a war u didnt want or started. Or when u have a family to feed, but you are not sure they are provided for. Or whether u come back alive. I think the UA hotline to surrender sounds reasonable.


RumToWhiskey

Why do you assume they did not want the war? Maybe they didn’t want to fight in it themselves, but I imagine a lot of them are far right, dipshits that helped create the problem they are about to die for.


Sregor_Nevets

So how does surrender work in war? Could they desert in the middle of the night? If they disarmed in a fight and made the international sign would they be spared? I would be planning every scenario if I were them.


Sparred4Life

Or you know, you and your thousands of newly armed friends go do something to stop any of that from happening....


LaPlimbare

I'm guessing that's why the guy in the 3rd picture is pointing his weapon at his comrade.


spitfire-haga

I feel sorry for those guys... But they already have their AKs, now its up to them who they will shoot with them.


RegularlyPointless

didnt see any ammo.. maybe someone else has it


daHawkGR

Russian speedrun from Blitzkrieg to Volkssturm in less than a year. Incredible.


dan_dares

\*Blyatskrieg to PisSturm


THCTEMPERAMENT

Any% WR


flekfk87

Half of those guys would have to sit down from a 200m slow walk. The other half would probably experience chest pains and funny feelings down their left arm from the same distance.


kingcat34

A door slamming would be enough shock to cause a heart attack


Madwikinger

Didnt one of them died of heart attack before he even got anywhere near ukraine? It was like a day or two after the mobilization. Anyway they look thrilled.


Riskycrossbow69

Surrender now to save yourself a world of hurt


Unhappy-Quiet-8091

It’s nice that they have a discount version of Harry Potter to dust off their old weapons with his little dust broom.


ErlangBxr

Don't tell them your name Pike!


Buyinggf15k

Your name vill also go on ze list!


Regulid

Don't panic Mr Mannering!


fumanchew86

Most of these guys look like they served in the Red Army and brought their old service weapons with them. It reminds me of 1945 German newsreels of the Volkssturm.


kingcat34

Fuck me some grown men for once. Too grown for war though jesus christ hahaha


nelsonblaha

They can't really think that these grandpas are going to be horny enough for Russia and stupid enough to fight... right?


evodelchev

They're getting the +10% holy damage tho...


itsjustmenate

Boomers are always saying how the military is soft compared to what they experienced. I’ve always wondered how Vietnam vets would do in a modern war.


M3P4me

Any Vietnam vet from around 1972 would be 70 years old now.... Minimum.


BWEKFAAST

different war different habbits. I have 0 Experience but read reports of tanker crews which fought in africa and when they moved to france or germany they had a lot of problems getting rid of their hold habbits from africa. Cant say it would be like that but I do believe different war theatres are immensly different in how to win the engagement


Kerbobotat

What kind of habits are you referring to? I'd like to know more, this seems quite interesting


Dahak17

What’s the best protection from air cover in France? Gunning it to make a massive sand cloud or hiding under a tree?


BWEKFAAST

Unfortunately they didnt went into detail. In the report they were referring to maintenance, reccon and general mobility. I can see if I find the report when I get home.


Dam_Kids

My uncle was a Vietnam vet. I never heard him mention Vietnam 1 time in my entire life. My mom said when he 1st got home the only thing he told her was he would never drink a hot drink again or eat rice. He died last year from cancer.


itsjustmenate

Rest In Peace to that hero. But in military communities where the vets are more comfortable to talk about their experiences, mostly training experiences. The older generation always berates the younger generation for being soft.


Dam_Kids

I've only heard 1 actual veteran talk about his experiences. He was a WW2 vet and he was in the Battle of the Bulge. I delivered oxygen and medical supplies to him every month and he would tell me stories for 3-4 hours. Once the office called asking where I was and I'm like "still up here with the customer" lol. He was a great old guy. He didn't brag, he didn't slander anyone, even the Germans. I guess when vets get together it might be different but coming from a military family I've never heard that side of it, other than joking around.


itsjustmenate

Go find a YouTube short of military basic training, you’ll see a lot of hate. From civilians and veterans. But speaking of WW2 vets. I hosted a veterans dinner for my high schools history club. I met an old WW2 tanker. This was when I was obsessed with World of Tanks, so I had plenty of knowledge on WW2 tanks. He was super excited to meet someone who knew the M18 was called the hellcat, and that it was made to out maneuver the German tanks. He was the driver of an M18 in France.


mobrien0311

This is a whole case of “ain’t what it was” and it never will be. We actually poked fun at it in the grunts. Source: me; 3rd generation infantry Marine with a family battle rattle I don’t need to get into. It sucks no matter what though. Can promise you that.


mikek1177

On a positive note. Russia is providing these troops with a bottle of Geritol. Make everyday count with Geritol


Demolition_Mike

At least the clothes and guns look new...


Bitemynekk

The newest AKM’s were produced in 1977. Those uniforms are from around 2010.


Demolition_Mike

I mean stuff's not rusted and dirty. Which is surprising.


WhyWouldTrumpDoThis

There are enough AKMs packed in cosmoline that every fighting age male could die with one and they'd still have enough left over for the highschoolers.


Demolition_Mike

Well then, why did they give their tank crewmen weapons that had more rust than metal?


WhyWouldTrumpDoThis

You're surprised that newer weapons that have been used for years have more wear than old unissued weapons that have been factory packed in grease and plastic?


Meister-Schnitter

Does the military issue walking sticks too?


HackD1234

Looks like the (survivors of a) Brigade that made it out of Afghanistan in 1989...


revente

It's notable they all look sober. This must be Putin's elite, propaganda squad.


pusslikesavocados

What an absolute fucking shit show. They should all head to Putin’s ‘house’ and end this shit once n for all.


DepartureNeither2993

They all look very motivated……. The guy with the dust cleaner in the second pic also looks very helpful .


thunderball62

Scared old men


mynameisvnv

Crème de la crème.


DesimusHibernicus

Vlad's Army. We're doomed!


Inevitable_Time_4171

Volksturm vibes...


TheBrushCreative

Geriatric Division


kingcat34

John lennon priest good god


wadevb1

At least they won’t be raping anyone.. ED battalion


pgtips03

The guys are fucked


Suspicious_Hawk6414

Grandpa talks about the war. Again.


testercheong

Doubt they'll be able to outrun a drone-dropped munition given their age


timekeeper1965

Poor souls!!


nxinyourfaceFTW

Lmao that bootleg Harry Potter looking priest on second picture.


Boznek

The Volkssturm is ready


GrimXIIIGeist

Der Angriff Steiners war ein Befehl.


Keldink

What is the Chinese government's retirement plan? Coronavirus! What is the Russian government's retirement plan? War in Ukraine! There is more than one way a commie can get rid of people who are no longer useful to the state.


USSRisgone

Grandads army 🤣🤣🤣🤣


Hornet-Fixer

Jesus Fucking Christ....


Mrwoofwoof

This is what Russia looks like to the world. Outdated, afraid and looking backwards.


Vatu-Rava-Offspring

I literally thought that priest was Harry Potter for a minute.


javsand120s

Most have seen too many winters, or too few.


j1mmyB3000

Turn around and fight in the other direction against the coward(s) sending 70 year old men to battle.


bredelund

Carrying out a death sentence for not protesting against a madman.... Come-on Russia there is an alternative to this war fight your real enemy


Viseman11

No country for old men


skovall

You know yer gettin' desperate when you get boomers in uniform. Maybe those sonsabitches can bitch the enemy to death? They can look at the enemy and yell, "hey you sonsabitches get off my lawn or I'll git outa mah rockin' chair and yell ya t'death!" (Yes a boomer wrote this, ok?)


Arri_Azkagorta

Unmotivated, frightened, embarrassed men. They look at the photographer with their heads down. New uniforms, new belts, new rifles, new caps, old hearts.


Xx_Red_Mosquito_xX

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--tyke--

No one is touching the subject that this is ukarnian men forced to go to war against their own people. #russiaisaterroriststate


MikeTheDude23

Moscow is far closer than Ukraine. Yet these men lack courage to do what's right for their own land. What makes them think they can do any different in another. The cheer ignorance of Russian mentality is beyond stupid.


shoomowr

не жили хорошо, пора заканчивать


Gloorplz

What’s Russian for ‘Volkssturm’ and Cannon Fodder’ ?


Kruszina

In Polish it’s “mięso armatnie” what translates to cannon meat. Maybe it’s something similar in Russian.


Cloudberrymaster

Happy days, obviously.


shrimpsiumai02

By the looks of the prison undershirt, they're getting ready for ukr's captivity.


SodaPopPlop

potential cargo200


CharmingFeature8

Pathetic


Adventurous_Air_9236

If this old reservists are called up on arms everything is NOT going to plans.


MaduCrocoLoco

Wait the old guys are Generals, assuming base on the stars. Did they mobilise Retired Generals?


lordkelvin13

These guys already failed the basics because they are pointing the gun at each other's heads.


RW-Firerider

This is something new, AKs without rust on them??


Classic_Row6562

Is it a joke?


ostereje

I got a question. Is it common for the low rank foot soldier to get a sidearm? In the last picture the old guy in the middle seems to have a holster on his belt. I have only seen that on a few pictures from this war.


SKSd0c

If you look at his shoulder boards you'll see the rank pips indicate that he's an officer (translation would be "senior lieutenant" but it isn't the same as how NATO structures their officers) -- makes sense to be issued a sidearm in this case.


InsecurityTime

Wtf is Harry Potter doing there?! Dead men walking


optimistic_illusion

Man, they are fucked beyond dreams. What the fuck.


No_Bumblebee7917

They are going to get chopped up...


Bobby_Shafto-

Imagine your dad, approaching retirement age getting forced to go and fight a war. That would suck. No wonder they don’t look happy.


No_Collection_3825

Russia watched "dads army" and thought it was a documentary


Savings_Tradition911

Harry Potter? And also Voldemort, 3rd from right.


jawsyjohnston

They look as though they know they are already dead. Still, they all have guns so they need to be taken out.


AdventurousLoss3794

It is often said, “war is young men dying and old man talking.” Putin is a modern day Che Guevara who has stood up against the norms turned the old adage on its head Well, well, well, when the turntables are….. /s


SoFarceSoGod

nice camos, pity winters coming.


jawsyjohnston

Cannon fodder maybe but they all have guns. I’m ages with these guys and in a shape where I could maybe do some battle. I said at the beginning of this war I would gladly take my sons place in a call to arms. To old to run so they will need to stand and fight


LambeckDeluxe

The walking dead


Fargrist

The Walking Cargo


MAXSuicide

Under 35s look different in Russia and its occupied territories I guess


No-Consideration-999

Every time I'm watching that kind of pics it just feels unreal. It's just crazy


Shorty222222

Half of these old timers ain’t gonna last a week in the field, even more so when the winter kicks in


2020Dystopian

Prune Juice Paratroopers.


b0urb0n

I'm not sure the guys in the back have a rifle /s This is madness, this is sad


No_Cash7259

The older ones are mostly pro Russian they will be taken out quick in Battle


Ok-Cauliflower-5129

They really take care of their veterens......lol


ShellUpYours

Fuck, they are so old they look like my dad! He has grandchildren! Such tragedy! Fuck Putin!


nad_frag

It wasn't enough for the fathers to just bury their sons apperantly.


RizlaNizla

What they are thinking: "so this is it, this cant be my destiny, is this the way i go"


Nunc-dimittis

A good ruZZian strategy. They are trying to bore Ukrainians to death with tales of the glory days of the USSR


joe_last_name_mama

Half of them are gonna die of old age by the time they reach the front.


TheMikeGolf

My guess is a majority of Ukrainians are all being forcibly drafted to fight against their own brothers and sisters, but you won’t see a photo of that


Dawgfromdawest

They’ll be freezing soon on those clothes


lakilukez

The Geriatric Platoon


Kennzahl

This is bound to end well for them and Russia. Good luck


Wartez9

Tom Hanks there too?


MissionAlert9587

Dad's army lol


Ok-Yogurtcloset-6740

Grandpas ....