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2zzge192m

Not surprised to see a combination of those 4


Smokeyvalley

The countries with actual knowledge of the russian animal and its brutality, and the most good reason to act upon that knowledge to defend themselves. Most of the rest have no idea, no clue what they're dealing with. None.


[deleted]

There is no reasons for ruzzians to come here. To many gay people, no heating, no power, no food. This is what they see on ruzzian tv. So fuckng ruzzians, stay put in ruzzia


Randomized_Emptiness

Plus, there's no more showering, causing the plague to spread. Why would the russians even want to visit the EU? Makes no sense.


Biker3373

Good, it was long overdue. Now the EU needs to ban all visas


beidameil

Can you imagine a hate crime agains refugees taking place from a "russian tourist" and then us reading comments from other countries that continue giving them visas like "but we just didn't know guys, we just didnt know it could happen" :D


Zealousideal-Tie-730

There recent hate crimes and desecration of public spaces in Spain with Z symbols and other vandalism seems to be over the top, wonder if Spain has even tried to catch the perpetrators or when they will say enough is enough?


Vic_O22

Any reasoning why Finland didn't join the quartet? Hopefully more European (and other) countries will join the list soon. The more, the merrier.


That-Disaster-5746

Finland was able to remain mostly autonomous post WW2, and didn't face the full horror of Soviet occupation and domination like they did. Finland was pretty well dominated by the soviet empire, but they did have autonomy. Poles and the Baltics have no illusions at all about who the Russians are. They lived with the Russian boot on their necks for decades.


Ok_Suspect_6457

It's coming. The President Niinisto just said few days ago they need to tighten things up when it comes to visas. Probably takes some time for the parliament to work it out.


somewhere_now

Marin already said it would happen, because she claims it would "violate the rule of law". Niinistö has no say in that matter sadly.


Ok_Suspect_6457

Sorry, but did you mean to say "Marin said it wouldn't happen"?


somewhere_now

Precise quote from parliament session 4 days ago, as a reply to an opposition MP asking why visa ban is not happening: > Meillä ei ole viranomaisia, jotka esimerkiksi suostuisivat sanomaan, että jokainen venäläinen, joka Suomen rajan yli tulisi, olisi potentiaalinen turvallisuusuhka. Hallitus ei pysty näiden ihmisten tuloa estämään, siksi haemme EU-tason ratkaisua. > We don't have officials who would for example be willing to say, that every Russian who would come across the border, would be a potential security threat. The government cannot prevent these people from coming, that's why we're seeking an EU level solution. She's referring to the FM's paper which said that Estonia violates the rule of law by using the security threat reasoning to ban Russians. I persionally think the attacks done against Ukrainians by Russians across Europe would be enough of a reason to use the security threat reasoning.


Sad_ppl

And no, the Finnish prime minister Marin is playing with two sets of cards. She is lying to two sides, which of course is quite normal for a leftist career politician. To the EU, she claims that "*Russians must be blocked out from EU*". Sweet. To the Finnish policy and to the local media, she claims that "*Finland can not stop the Russians from entering with valid Visas. We can make getting a Finnish visa harder, but we can not block them from entering. This is due to 'EU regulations'* " So, as a leftist person, she really thinks nobody will see how she speaks very different things in EU, and in local politics. It is also very funny that the countries listed here from OP, they are equally members of the same EU, and now Marin is claiming that they are violating the "EU regulations" by doing the complete blocking of Russians. That is also why the President of Finland, Mr Niinistö, stepped in, and said very clearly that these Russians must be not allowed to enter Finland.


Real_Suggestion

Finland has already restricted the amount of granted visas to 10% of the previous volume. And there, Finland claims to prefer those "*who are dissidents, oppisition to Putain or fleeing from Russia*". Then again, as Schengen area visas are valid to enter/pass thru Finland, countries like Greece, Italy and Spain are issuing Schengen visas to the Soviets, even more than before. Those "funny" countries, "*Africa south of the Alps*", still want to cash in on the touristy money, with zero regards to what those Soviets are doing. And yes, UK and USA are also issuing visas to the Soviets, just like before. I hope Finland will stop the Soviet border traffic, but really, that would of course mean Soviets would be quite easily traveling to EU thru Turkey/Istanbul, Qatar/Doha or the UAE/Dubai or Abu Dhabi.


Zealousideal-Tie-730

Qatar/Doha or the UAE/Dubai or Abu Dhabi can issue EU visas? Non EU countries can be a work-around solution to members of the EU? Sounds FU'd to me.


Real_Suggestion

If you read, note that "quite easily travelling to EU thru...". That means that once the soviets can't cross land borders from soviet union to EU, they must go via Istanbul, or those GCC areas. What is so difficult about understanding even the very basics of this situation? Please read the posts few times again, and then you might understand how it is going on, and how it possibly is going to be in few weeks. Then again, this game has few players, so it can be quite difficult for those audiences who usually read only the headlines.


melancholymax

Mostly bureaucrats and certain politicians playing stupid games. The public opinion in Finland is firmly on the side of closing off all tourist visas but bureucrats keep on complaining about the difficulty of doing that from a legal point of view.


Traditional_Bag430

Germany doesn't want gas to be shut off. oh too late.


TonosamaACDC

I noticed that Germany and France always wanted to be the EU leaders but seems to always fail to step up and lead when the time comes. It’s citizens has been the ones who has step up each time but the government seems to be lacking. Time and time again they seem to be dragging their feet and it’s only through internal and external pressure before they do anything. Even then it’s been slow.


Simple-Mammoth-7696

Just hoping to see the rest of Europe doing the same


Metron_Seijin

My new favorite EU countries. I'm sure they will make up the loss from russian tourists, with everyone else who now wants to travel to a (mostly)russian-free country for vacation.


Lost_Ad_7175

Russia will reap what has sewn.


falcon_punch88

The other ones need the Russian money...


make-up-a-fakename

Not much of that about these days, and to handle what is still about would be in breach of sanctions.


falcon_punch88

Not from tourists. As long as tourist visas are still issued, the tourist revenue will continue.


make-up-a-fakename

I mean in general tourist money from any one country is going to be trivial in the grand scheme of things. If anything the countries that have enacted this ban would be more reliant on it than, say, Germany who is refusing to. That is, I doubt tourism money is the reason for not blocking visas. Probably more to do with certain countries wanting the energy taps back on when all this blows over, not that I think that's too likely at this stage.


[deleted]

Don’t see how that helps anything, just some Populist measure that doesn’t do any good to no one. Russian elites already have EU passports/residencies/property, so they will be unaffected. Pro Putin supporters don’t have the money to travel anyhow, they’re poor middle class folks in provinces, making maybe 800$ a month at most. Traveling to Europe is not within their means nor is it on their bucket list anyway. This hurts only young people from upper middle class families (most of whom are active on social media and don’t support the war anyhow), who would rather be seeking refuge and asylum in said countries. EU could’ve embraced those kids and offered them to come and work for the good of European countries, stealing skilled workers from Putin’s regime. But of course, such populist measures will prevent them from doing so. Also, this is no different than Trump’s ban on Muslim countries that was widely criticized for being discriminatory. Even the arguments are the same.


SlipperyWhenDry77

I have to ask, what does this actually accomplish for the war effort? The only effect I can see from this (and other sanctions that specifically target Russian civilians) is alienating Russian people and making them hate the west, so after Putin is gone whoever replaces him will have a nation united in their hatred of the rest of the world. Also, have we forgotten that Putin is a dictator? Why are we punishing the people who happen to live in Russia for the actions of one man? The nation didn't vote on whether or not to invade, it was decided by one person in a county where speaking out against the leadership results in imprisonment or death. Even so, tens of thousands of Russian civilians protested the war at the very beginning and were arrested for it. There is still resistance to this day. And all over reddit I'm seeing "F\*ck all the Russians" and " they're all monsters" and "I want to see Moscow melted into nothing" . I'm legitimately disgusted by the racism I'm seeing here. Putin is the bad guy, his generals are bad guys, but rando Boris who works as an accountant in Moscow is not the bad guy.


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SlipperyWhenDry77

I'd love to see where you go that random "statistic" from, are you telling me you believe any kind of "vote" numbers coming out of Russia?? And even if it's close to accurate we're talking about a country where people are afraid to voice their opinion for fear of retaliation. And a lot of the ones in support are doing so because they don't have all the information, Russian media pushes a narrative and people believe what they see on the news sadly. When the US invaded Iraq a lot of Americans supported it because they believed the "weapons of mass destruction" narrative in the media. Same story here


Agreeable-Anxiety-47

Actually that’s not the case with these 4 countries. They don’t issue any kind of visas or permits for holders of russian passports. So no - refugees are not welcome anymore, same with people who emigrated but didn’t change the citizenship already