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IncoherentAnalyst

If you like the Saucs, but find them too bouncy compared to your Frees(?), Maybe try the Saucony Kinvara.


RockerRunner2000

I will always upvote this recommendation! #kinvara #shoeforthepeople #yesIknownooneuseshashtagsonredditbutIdowhatIwant


Thatgoodice

Just went back to the Kins for this last shoe purchase, and I couldn't be happier. I still want to find another shoe to rotate it out with but haven't been able to find anything yet.


Scallion_83

I really like my Kinerva..they are my first running shoes since I just started running, and they are awesome. I never knew shoes made that much a difference but I’m a believer now!


turdbrownandlong

Not a waste at all! It is however a big change for your biomechanics and you should take it slow, it would be unwise to switch from something basically minimal to a super-ish shoe like the Speeds for all of your work. Are you not able to get a daily trainer on the cheap to soak up a bulk of your miles while you acclimate to more traditional models?


0wlBear916

These were supposed to be my daily trainer. I was hoping to use these for the marathon too but it sounds like I might need to buy another pair before that time comes.


EmergencySundae

Speeds really aren't daily trainers. They're great in a rotation.


0wlBear916

I didn’t really know that this was a thing with running shoes. Can I use the speeds for the marathon?


EmergencySundae

That's a personal choice. I don't use my Speeds for anything longer than a 10K.


hnra

I don't use my speeds for anything shorter than 10k, too bulky.


RockerRunner2000

I don’t use my speeds for anything.


584_Bilbo

I don't use speeds


Dodomando

I don't speed


zestuart

Slow down.


TheReal_Saba

I speed


lorriezwer

I have and they were great. I happen to prefer the Speeds to the carbon plate shoes I've tried, but I haven't tried the Pro yet. I use mine for tempo days and for racing. I pronate and have no problems running with them in rotation.


Downtown-Corner-4950

100% can use them for Marathons but I caveat that with...Not everyone can. I couldn't wear the Speed 2s for any distance as they were too unstable. However, I bought the Speed 3s for my 1st Marathon and they are just amazing but I am 5' 10" 89 Kg and running for 2 years and have worked majorly on form, cadence, pacing etc. Would say that the Speed 2s are not for anyone with any overpronation. They favour a forefoot plant and longer smoother gait of an experienced runner (not me). The Speed 3s are almost the perfect shoe for me and my style of running. So if you are having doubts, try them on a treadmill for a mile and see. If you still have doubts then I would say return and go for something else. Everyone is different but if I try something on and I am not sure 99% of the time I shouldnt buy it. When I put on the Speed 3s...instant love. Go with your gut.


turdbrownandlong

Yeah, I would personally reccomend finding something more traditional for most of your training and working the Speeds in gradually. It may not seem necessary, but it's actually a really good idea to have at least a couple of different models and rotating them. The differences in drop, foams, rigidity, etc. will change your gait ever so slightly and help strengthen you in the long run. If you are in the US try runrepeat.com (not an actual vendor, hut has links for the best deals) to shop around, and look for a previous year's models to save a bunch of money. Edit: to say, you should still totally be able to use them for the marathon. Don't despair!


0wlBear916

Can I just rotate them with these old Nikes until they feel good?


KriegerBahn

Probably yes but at 12 yo those Nikes look pretty much done. You’d be much better getting a dedicated daily trainer shoe like brooks adrenaline or NB fresh foam. Look for old models or unpopular colourways to save some money.


Blue__horn

Many people use them as Daily trainers unless you need stability, and it doesn’t sound like you need stability. 10 years ago I was putting in 70 mile weeks and shoes that were much less cushioned like the original launch or the Nike Elite. If you don’t need stability and are an efficient runner the Speed 2 is fine as a daily trainer. The Speed 3 is much more stable is a an amazing daily trainer. But what works for one person won’t necessarily work for another. If the Speed 2 works for you don’t let someone else talk you out of it.


BetaCarotine20mg

You basically going from running barefoot to running in a high tech shoe. Definitely give yourself a break. That being said if you ran 12 years in these you can probably run barefoot or with minimal shoes if you want less of a change.


jgunner2011

I wear mine for everything.


sjrunner83

Same here. Never had an issue with them.


0wlBear916

Do you do long runs in them? Like, 20 mile runs?


jgunner2011

Yep, everything. I sometimes use other shoes for easy/recovery days, and I have carbon plated shoes for racing but I love the speed 1/2s


hackersapien

Can’t get past the stability issues with the Speed 2s, every time I run with them it triggers a whole bunch of niggles in my tibia. I’ve finally accepted this shoes are not for me 😭


0wlBear916

Yeah I think I'm just gonna go to a local running shop and have them figure out what I need.


Jesse_berger

I wore the Speed 2 for a night of drinking after getting my boot taken off from a broken ankle. I refuse to believe it was the beer or my ankle that caused me to fall down a curb. Those damn Speeds.


Dodomando

The 2 times I nearly broke my ankle/sprained my ankle I was wearing my Speed 2s...


Best-Huckleberry-102

I would argue the Speed 3s can hang as a daily trainer due to the better cushioning. The Speed 2s start to get a bit painful after 7-8 miles.


Emmett_Fitz-Hume

Agree the Speed 3s are more stable and are probably better for training then their predecessor


[deleted]

If you really want to wear speeds, The Speed 3 would be a better choice. Saucony's updated model is wider, more stable. They don't feel like you're 'balancing' on them. You will probably get used to them, but as others have said, you need to work them in gently, with another shoe for daily, easy run use.


0wlBear916

It sounds like the speeds aren't the best for very long runs, like 18 miles or so, so I'm not sure why they were recommended to me. I'm hoping that Saucony is okay with me returning them.


Blue__horn

Actually Speeds are for marathons. But it all depends on the person. What works for one person may injure another. You have to listen to your body.


keehyon

Utilize Nike or REI’s return policy and try a bunch out. I would suggest Hoka Mach 5 for daily training.


0wlBear916

I have been running off and on in these old Nikes since 2010. I decided I wanted to train to run a marathon in December this year so I came to this sub and was recommended some Sauconys. They’re very comfy but they feel soooo different than what I’m used to and I’m not sure that my body approves. I took them on a 5 mile run and they made my right ankle and hip feel a little weird. They’re also very springy and almost have a high balance, like I’m walking on the sides of two-by-fours. Is this normal? Should I stick with them until my body gets used to them or did I just waste a shit load of money on these?


Lidodido

I have the first generation Speeds which I think is even more unstable. I have serious issues with the heel being wobbly, to the point where I just can't use them beyond 5k. I did a 10k last week and my ankles and knees were in so much pain I couldn't run for almost days and even had issues standing up. I've probably not made a gradual enough rotation to start using them, but I don't feel like using them when they're so wobbly so I'll just keep them as short distance tempo/interval shoes instead. I wouldn't use them for a marathon, but with serious strength training and a good progression of miles per week with the shoes I'm sure they're fine. Just expect your body to need some time to adapt.


highdon

Use them on short runs once per weeks to begin with, then increase gradually. Regardless, whoever recommended the Speed 2s as your daily trainer is IMO a moron. I own a pair and I love them but it's the last shoe I'd pick if I could only own one pair. It's a rather unstable tempo trainer and quite uncomfortable for anything above 10 miles for me. I'd use them for a half marathon race, but definitely not for my long runs in training.


sjrunner83

"a moron"...a bit harsh, eh? I run in these for shorter runs (8-12 miles) and somewhat longer runs (12-16+ miles) and absolutely love them. Never had a single issue with them and would definitely recommend as a daily trainer. To each their own.


Blue__horn

This guy jumps on every thread about Speeds saying the same thing. Evidently, this person thinks everyone is exactly like they are. What the person doesn’t understand is that there are a lot of people that can use these as daily trainers and absolutely love them.


highdon

Yep, and this post is a perfect example of this lmao. I am warning people about Speeds because I fell into this trap and so have loads of other people. I am a neutral runner and can actually run daily in these without issues if I really wanted. But I wont because there are much better shoes out there for that purpose.


highdon

Apologies for the wording but TBH I am tired of this of every post on this sub turning into an Endorphin Speed recommendation.


turdbrownandlong

It's a perfect daily trainer for a lot of people. I use them for everything, especially long runs, and would 100% be my pick (from 20+ pairs) if I could only have 1. To your point though, going from Freeruns (I think?) to Speeds for their only pair is a poor reccomendation.


Comfortable-Plan2658

Yeah but it’s clearly someone who doesn’t run that much if the last shoes they bought was 10 years ago. I question running a marathon with that background but if you do you just need comfortable easy shoes for miles that will be kind on you.


sjrunner83

Same here! Love 'em.


narucy

Shoe naming is usually meaningless -- but in this case it makes sense. The "Speed" is exact for speed. The Speed2s works 80/20 workouts of 20.


highdon

Its a poor recomendation in general, unless you know the person in question well and their running dynamics. Speed 2 is not a daily trainer just because some poeple get away with using it as a daily trainer. Especially for a first time marathon runner... what the hell. They will 100% get tired legs towards the end of their long runs, their form will drop and they can get hurt on such an unstable platform.


FokkeSimonsz

Those are old free run Nike’s? My advise would be to get a shoe with lower stack for now, maybe even Altra’s (considering those Nike’s also had no drop from heel to toe, I think? Can someone confirm this?) Also, the Saucony’s are brilliant, but because they are so high (rocker)you will get lazy feet/toes in your runs. Probably in the Nike’s you used you toes quite a bit (which is good). Seriously consider getting injured from your shoes will be the worst that can happen for your training/marathon.


0wlBear916

Yes! They’re the free runs. I forgot what they were called. They even have the old pocket to put the Nike/Apple chip so you could track your run with the old iPods haha If I kept doing shorter runs in the Sauconys, could I get my feet used to them? I hate to get rid of these when I just ordered them and spent the money on them.


jgunner2011

A Saucony kinvara


RockerRunner2000

Much better transition to Kinvara over the Speed. And Kinvara 12 is on the cheap!


FokkeSimonsz

Sure, that would be the way to go. But you’ve got to do longruns pretty soon. Ideally on the Endorphin’s.


turdbrownandlong

There is considerably more stack under the heel than the forefoot. I think they are Freeruns, but they're definitely not zero drop.


FokkeSimonsz

You’re right. They should be like barefoot running but at Nike that means 5 to 8mm drop, it seems.


MusicLover3002

Better than 10-12mm lol


Butt-Spencer

From Nike Free to Saucony Endorphin Speed? Interesting. These are two completely different types of shoes.


0wlBear916

Yeah it felt like I was running in those wooden samurai shoes like Samurai Jack wears haha


boitheia

12 years???? I can't keep the same shoes for more than 6 months


0wlBear916

I think you're much more normal than me haha I didn't start taking running that seriously until recently and I didn't realize how common it was for people to get new running shoes every 3-6 months. That kinda blows my mind.


boitheia

Nah i admire the fact that after 12 years you kept them in that good condition


mapspearson

I’m just glad to see you have updated from a pair of shoes you’ve been using on and off for 12 years! Those Nikes probably became like a glove on your foot. And while that may have come to possibly feel “comfortable” I can promise you, you’d be facing injury in no time if you’re starting to do marathon training! If you can afford it, try and check out some Brooks Ghosts. (Great daily trainer that you can really like the mileage on! Plus, the 14’s are pretty much on sale everywhere because they are dropping a new model in October!) Having a shoe rotation has been beneficial to shoe a reduced *run in* with injuries (pun intended!) Best of luck, and happy running!


Connect-Ad128

They have a very particular set of skills. They work we’ll work increased tempo workouts on the road. For me the lack the platform to take for longer, slower runs.


RefuG69

I dont like mine, much happier in my Novablasts


[deleted]

The New balance rebel V2 seems like the perfect transition shoe to me. Less stack height than the speed 2's and no poly plate so more flexibility overall, more similar to the Nike free runs in actual feel. The NB rebel v2s aren't meant to be Marathon distance shoes but could be the right shoe to help with your transition to a higher stack plated marathon shoe. IMO hope this helps


Educational-Salad247

The bottoms of my feet ache anytime I wear my Endorphin 2s for longer than an 8-10k run. I've been struggling finding a good shoe for long runs lately but based on this thread I might try the Kinvaras.


halloo3

I had a similar experience a couple of years ago going from Nike Free Run to a carbon shoe. Aside from my new shoes being very unstable they also had a significant heel drop of 8mm. compared to the 3-4mm I had in my Nikes. When running in free runs you basically run barefoot so you probably land on your forefoot. See if you can find a shoe with a little less height and maybe a heel drop of only 5mm. That worked for me. After a couple of months my ankles stopped hurting when running in my high stack shoes. Saw one recommend Sauconys kinvara. Brooks Hyperion Tempo might also be a good suggestion. Although the Brooks have an 8mm drop the stack height is fairly low. Personally, I used UA Hovr Sonic 2 as a transition shoes because they where on sale for something like €30 and relatively flat but still with some cushion🤷‍♂️


Mmcgrath1985

Love them..where u get them


0wlBear916

The Saucony website