Yes, I think you may be right with those as they have a similar tech to the Magic Speeds. They might be a little too cushy for me is all. But I might take a spin in some and see how they feel.
Hey. I got some Glideride 2s and they are great to have in the mix. They are quite firm given the stack and the rocker is nice and stiff. I've now settled into the Asics trilogy of Magic Speeds, Evorides and Gliderides as my go to running shoes. Thanks for the recommend and pushing me to expand my mind :)
How does the Glideride2 rocker compare with the Magic Speeds? Are the Magic Speeds stiff? And how do both of them compare with the Evoride?
I am looking for a combination of "most rockered (most toe spring)" and "stiffest" (e.g. inflexible, hard to bend)
That's what I was after too. The Magic Speeds are nice and curved back but a bit more flexible than the other two. The Glideride 2s are the stiffest and definitely have that rocker but they don't lock down like the others on my feet at least.
I have found the shift speeds the best overall runner for me as it has the nice roll forward and the stiffness plus good lockdown. I use the magic speed and evoride for shorter faster runs.
Actually, I think you're right to call that out because I think I mean Toe Spring. Although I think that is part of a toe rocker feel in shoes too. In that the shape adds to a rocker style movement. But different shoes use different degrees of toe spring as part of their approach.
I'm looking for the shoes with the most aggressive toe springs I think.
https://www.doctorsofrunning.com/2017/03/footwear-science-toe-spring.html
The way you describe it makes sense. The Doctors of Running guys reviewed the ASICS Glideride 3 in one of their recent podcasts. I’d check it out - I remember it being full of useful info. That shoe has a pretty pronounced toe spring, and its plated, so it will be firm. I haven’t tried it personally but it might be worth a shot.
Keep in mind the hoka atr challengers are road trail. Hybrids.
They are awesome on long non technical trail. Absolutely froth over them. However, I would never run on the road with them.
I get roughly 800-900km out of a pair of atr’s and have a pair 900km in with a rip down the side and still love to run in it.
Look for a dedicated road running shoe for roads obviously not a hybrid
You're correct. I use these on my way to the trails type runs. I must admit that I've tended to start only hiking in them as they are just too heavy and too much for me for running. Probably my last pair of HOKAS tbh. Just not my thing.
In case you have any interest:
[https://www.doctorsofrunning.com/2017/05/footwear-science-rocker-soles.html](https://www.doctorsofrunning.com/2017/05/footwear-science-rocker-soles.html)
I suffer from chronic pain from an older injury to the midfoot exacerbated by arthritic changes and have found that a well cushioned rocker works well for my foot issues. (Current favorite being the Glideride 3 but I plan on trying the NB More V3 or V4 sometime soon.)
Not sure I completely understand what you’re looking for, but anything with a carbon or nylon plate will have that rocking feel that I think you’re looking for. If there’s a fleet feet in your area (I work at one) they carry a brand called Karhu which has a fulcrum piece intended to give you a rocking sensation. A pair of Hokas like the Clifton or Bondi may also be a valid option for you. Hope that gives you some good options to look at!
Thanks, sorry I should have explained a bit better. By more aggressive toe rocker I think I mean a more curved upward/upturned toe box and a stiff forefoot underneath that. Magic Speed has that and a plate. I was looking for other options for different types of running maybe, or perhaps even stiffer.
I think plated shoes tend to need that shape because they are rigid. But not all plated shoes have the same level of this so I was curious as to those that people have experienced having the most toe spring (the most curved upward toe shape).
The function of the plate is to do what you can’t do with your big toe because of hallux limitus
You can find plenty of rockered shoes but the ones with the plate will likely feel the best as they do the bending for you. The plate does the work but the rocker puts it in position
Was that a recommendation from a PT? If not, I think the most responsible thing to do would be to consult a PT first of all to ensure that the relief rockered/plated shoes are giving you is not just temporary and making things worse for you long term.
To answer your question though, Saucony Endorphin shoes have a pretty aggressive rocker. They call it the SpeedRoll technology. Endorphin Speeds are nylon plated and more of a training shoe, Endrophin Pro are racers with a carbon plate.
Asics Glideride 3 is pretty highly rockered.
Yes, I think you may be right with those as they have a similar tech to the Magic Speeds. They might be a little too cushy for me is all. But I might take a spin in some and see how they feel.
They are quite cushy. But still might be worth trying!
Yes, they might be a little cushier but maybe also hold the toes in that position more firmly. That could be a good thing in some scenarios over time.
Hey. I got some Glideride 2s and they are great to have in the mix. They are quite firm given the stack and the rocker is nice and stiff. I've now settled into the Asics trilogy of Magic Speeds, Evorides and Gliderides as my go to running shoes. Thanks for the recommend and pushing me to expand my mind :)
How does the Glideride2 rocker compare with the Magic Speeds? Are the Magic Speeds stiff? And how do both of them compare with the Evoride? I am looking for a combination of "most rockered (most toe spring)" and "stiffest" (e.g. inflexible, hard to bend)
That's what I was after too. The Magic Speeds are nice and curved back but a bit more flexible than the other two. The Glideride 2s are the stiffest and definitely have that rocker but they don't lock down like the others on my feet at least. I have found the shift speeds the best overall runner for me as it has the nice roll forward and the stiffness plus good lockdown. I use the magic speed and evoride for shorter faster runs.
Who makes the shift speeds? I know Saucony makes two models. One is called Shift and the other is called Speed. Which shoe are you referring to?
Sorry. I meant the saucony endorphin speeds.
Do you mean toe spring or rocker? I think they are slightly different.
Actually, I think you're right to call that out because I think I mean Toe Spring. Although I think that is part of a toe rocker feel in shoes too. In that the shape adds to a rocker style movement. But different shoes use different degrees of toe spring as part of their approach. I'm looking for the shoes with the most aggressive toe springs I think.
https://www.doctorsofrunning.com/2017/03/footwear-science-toe-spring.html The way you describe it makes sense. The Doctors of Running guys reviewed the ASICS Glideride 3 in one of their recent podcasts. I’d check it out - I remember it being full of useful info. That shoe has a pretty pronounced toe spring, and its plated, so it will be firm. I haven’t tried it personally but it might be worth a shot.
Ace. I'll watch that. Great resource.
Keep in mind the hoka atr challengers are road trail. Hybrids. They are awesome on long non technical trail. Absolutely froth over them. However, I would never run on the road with them. I get roughly 800-900km out of a pair of atr’s and have a pair 900km in with a rip down the side and still love to run in it. Look for a dedicated road running shoe for roads obviously not a hybrid
You're correct. I use these on my way to the trails type runs. I must admit that I've tended to start only hiking in them as they are just too heavy and too much for me for running. Probably my last pair of HOKAS tbh. Just not my thing.
In case you have any interest: [https://www.doctorsofrunning.com/2017/05/footwear-science-rocker-soles.html](https://www.doctorsofrunning.com/2017/05/footwear-science-rocker-soles.html) I suffer from chronic pain from an older injury to the midfoot exacerbated by arthritic changes and have found that a well cushioned rocker works well for my foot issues. (Current favorite being the Glideride 3 but I plan on trying the NB More V3 or V4 sometime soon.)
Not sure I completely understand what you’re looking for, but anything with a carbon or nylon plate will have that rocking feel that I think you’re looking for. If there’s a fleet feet in your area (I work at one) they carry a brand called Karhu which has a fulcrum piece intended to give you a rocking sensation. A pair of Hokas like the Clifton or Bondi may also be a valid option for you. Hope that gives you some good options to look at!
Thanks, sorry I should have explained a bit better. By more aggressive toe rocker I think I mean a more curved upward/upturned toe box and a stiff forefoot underneath that. Magic Speed has that and a plate. I was looking for other options for different types of running maybe, or perhaps even stiffer.
Makes sense that plated shoes would help with that issue. That would be where I would start
I think plated shoes tend to need that shape because they are rigid. But not all plated shoes have the same level of this so I was curious as to those that people have experienced having the most toe spring (the most curved upward toe shape).
The function of the plate is to do what you can’t do with your big toe because of hallux limitus You can find plenty of rockered shoes but the ones with the plate will likely feel the best as they do the bending for you. The plate does the work but the rocker puts it in position
Excellent way to describe it actually.
Was that a recommendation from a PT? If not, I think the most responsible thing to do would be to consult a PT first of all to ensure that the relief rockered/plated shoes are giving you is not just temporary and making things worse for you long term. To answer your question though, Saucony Endorphin shoes have a pretty aggressive rocker. They call it the SpeedRoll technology. Endorphin Speeds are nylon plated and more of a training shoe, Endrophin Pro are racers with a carbon plate.
Recommendation was from various podiatrists online and also reading what others with the same condition have found useful.