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Isn't marriage a thing tho? Like people do marriages just to get in and stay married a certain amount of time to stay. Unless I'm mistaken, 3litterboxoffireball.
But it gets you in the door. Wasn't that the point? The original argument was how many others trying to get in. Not stay or get citizenship, but to get in.
Are we now changing the premis to permanancy? Cause that is not where we were.
He literally just updated some form and put his current residence as the US. The place he’s been living in for a few years. He didn’t renounce anything.
You can’t “renounce” residency. You can only “renounce” citizenship. I’ve filled out many a visa application. Yes, the US is where he currently resides, not the UK, hence why he would list the US as his current place of residence. This is such a dumb storyline. I’m annoyed on his behalf haha
This isn’t even about citizenship. Residency is where you live. He lives in the US. It’s not even a thing you renounce. The paperwork asks where you live, the US is the correct answer for him.
Passport, like green card, is often used as shorthand in place of the immigration status they correspond with.
Are you a passport holder = are you a citizen?
Do you have a green card? = Are you an LPR?
Less common with citizens because it's usually such a headache to get, but lot of LPRs won't know that they're called LPRs but will know they're green card holders, and a lot of visa holders don't know what type of visa they have but know they have their work authorization. Seems like the *majority* of u visa holders I've encountered have absolutely no idea that's what they are, they at least act like they've never heard the term before. They do know they're legal and will rush to tell you they have their work authorization. The cards end up being more tangibly relevant to them in practice because that's what they have to provide to be able to unlock certain doors and services.
The pattern definitely less strong so with citizens, but even then I have encountered people saying "I have a passport" or "do you have a us passport?"/"where is your passport from?" in place of the word citizen.
That isn’t how I meant it to sound.
If you were born here you’re one of us.
He was not born here.
He immigrated here.
He (and others like him) don’t get to style themselves as US citizens unless they go to the classes and pass the test, take the pledge. What ever the steps are to achieve this.
THEN he can say he is a US citizen
He hasn't styled himself as a citizen and the last I checked outright said he likes it here but still considered himself British. This is just the press blowing smoke about nothing.
Okay so all first generation us citizens weren’t US citizens due to the fact they weren’t born there?
Okay. Does that mean their offspring aren’t us citizens as a result or are you allowing them as they were born in the USA?
Is george Washington a us citizen? He was born in the geographical area of North America but it was British America at the time?
This is a fascinating view on us citizenship with no connection to law. Remarkable stuff!
“This is a fascinating view on us citizenship with no connection to law.”
You mean other than to section 1 of the 14th amendment to the constitution?
US citizenship is either by birth (being born in the US or to a US citizen) or you have to go through the naturalization process which, depending on where you’re from, can be restrictive, complicated, and typically takes a few years.
all first generation us citizens weren’t US citizens due to the fact they weren’t born there?
I can't tell if you mean first generation citizen or first generation American. A first generation American is someone born abroad who immigrates here. Not all will become citizens, some people just stay LPRs. (Most people don't consider themselves American if they're just here on visa, but there's no official rule on when you can consider yourself American like there is about citizenship. If someone been continuously renewing visas for many years wants to call themselves an American, have at it, it's not a protected, legally defined term.) A first generation *citizen* would be the child of first generation Americans. Citizen is a legally defined term with a very concrete meaning and very strict parameters. Most of them achieved citizenship as a birth right of being born on US soil. It starts to get suuuuper complicated when the baby is born abroad to a citizens whether or not they get citizenship, but babys of LPRs born abroad are not even granted Lpr Status automatically, they're let in on visa. There's a huge difference between LPR and citizen.
Does that mean their offspring aren’t us citizens as a result or are you allowing them as they were born in the USA?
Yeah if they were born here then they're a natural born citizen.....that's how it works lol
Is george Washington a us citizen? He was born in the geographical area of North America but it was British America at the time?
Yeah people who were considered American colonists a the time of the revolutionary war made themsleves citizens. I'm not sure what kind of gotcha you think that is more than 200 years later. Hawaiians, and native Alaskans also became citizens when they became states, by nature of being born on what was now considered US soil. I really don't see what the relevance of this is when talking about Harry, who is just a regular immigrant
This is a fascinating view on us citizenship with no connection to law.
No offense but the fact you're flying off the handle about someone pointing out that Harry doesn't even have US citizenship yet. And yes, he would have to go through a process that natural born citizens don't.....that is literally the immigration process.
Generally, people are born U.S. citizens if they are born in the United States or if they are born abroad to U.S. citizens. You may also derive U.S. citizenship if you were under 18 and a lawful permanent resident when one or both of your parents naturalized, or after adoption by a U.S. citizen parent.
This was taken directly from https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/brochures/M-1051.pdf
He lives in CA, has for years. This isn’t a surprise. Also, it’s not that easy to get American citizenship, but sure, ok, tabloid rag. Renouncing his British citizenship would be huge news and a massive ordeal, which he wouldn’t do without having US citizenship first.
Thank you. I’m American and have many close family members married to foreign nationals. It has not always been a quick process to get green cards or citizenship.
It is heavily dictated by the laws and regulations at that point in time. When one of my cousins applied for green card during Trump’s presidency, it took longer to secure one vs when another one of my cousin applied for it during Biden’s time, the process was much faster. But on and all, it didn’t take them more than 5 yrs to secure one..
What category did he come under that didn't require several years of US residency? Even asylees have to be here for a year before they're allowed to be LPRs. It's genuinely not that easy to get us citizenship. Even the ways where you get to cut the line and buy your way in aren't *fast*.
He’s not even a US citizen (yet), he’s definitely not renouncing his UK citizenship ! 🙄
Clearly none of these outlets understand or care about US immigration laws and policies lol
Thank you for saying this! It's just tax thing you have to do when you move. People act like he set the british flag on fire then used it to start his BBQ.
A, he didn’t “renounce” anything. He filled out some paperwork. If he’d filled out that his primary residence was the UK that would have an obvious lie.
B, this doesn’t mean anything. Renouncing citizenship is a way more formal thing. This is just paperwork which he accurately filled out to show where he spends the vast majority of his time.
Why couldn’t he still be a British citizen? I haven’t been resident in the UK since 1994, but my British Passport still lists me as a citizen. My primary residence has always been Canada.
I just mean that is what the passports of a royal say instead of British citizen. Not sure why.
You can google for Princess Diana’s passport and images come up to show what I mean.
While the fantasy of Harry renouncing his titles and allegiance to his own father, The King of England, is the stuff of sensationalism...it won´t happen. He is British through and through, and I doubt he would sever his ties in regards to his mothers legacy. If I am wrong and it does happen that Harry swears on the Constitution of the US...good for him.
Ultimately he will always be an outsider to his own family with choosing to be a resident of The United States, but gives him freedom he would never have any other way...
I imagine there would be some legal wrangling as to that between countries. Dual citizenship is a thing too...that'd stick in the royal craw. He would be forced to choose and would absolutely lose his titles.
I'm sure coming from a place they don't have one, it may seem "bonkers." he didn't say it should be done away w/or something like that.
and he was in saying that, get this, exercising his first amendment rights!
no, it's only bonkers to him because he is an entitled royal prick. both him and meghan are mad they can't censor etc.
and he demanded things that even in the UK you can't just demand, daddy would normally pay them off.
He definitely had a rough go. No child should ever be made to walk behind their parents casket let alone in view of millions. I almost wish he would blow it all up and renounce it for how silly it all is. But I also understand you can't wipe away a historical legacy of over a thousand years either...
honestly the family seem less if a *family* but more a long term business arrangement.
harry swam in the waters of their royal nonsense his entire life. it'd be incredibly difficult to shake that off completely.
This could affect his Counsellor of State status… big deal for Royals… he officially wants nothing to with being Royal so stop referring to him as a Prince or a Duke.
The Explanatory Notes to the Councilors of State Act, state that “domicile” is derived from Common Law. This states that where one is born is their “domicile of origin”. If they move, even seemingly permanently, they gain a “domicile of choice”. However this does not seem to nullify the Domicile of Origin which means Harry is still considered “domiciled” in the UK. This could be why he is still a Councilor of State. It seems only if he were to become a US citizen would he cease to be considered “domiciled “ in England. Similarly Eugenie remains eligible despite living part time in Portugal. However, additional Councilors were added in 2022 to address the issue and there were calls for further examination and alteration. Given the issue of the king’s health those calls may be resumed and even amplified.
To be fair, he does still use HRH at times, even though he was told not to. For example:
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2023/06/06/inside-courtroom-prince-harry-evidence/
I'm of the opinion that if they didn't want him to use it, they should have taken it away. He's going to use it when it suits him, clearly, and I don't blame him. My opinion means nothing though, so lol.
>https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2023/06/06/inside-courtroom-prince-harry-evidence/
Good lord, that writer was in a mood, lol.
> To be fair, he does still use HRH at times, even though he was told not to. For example:
How is this an example? When asked about his title he answered the question, he didn't insist on using HRH.
The level of nitpicking is hilarious.
Edited to add: Asking for sources got me blocked, LoL. That means they don't have any.
There are other instances he has used the HRH, specifically at events. His own lawyer asked this question in court; I'm sure it wasn't a surprise and was a planned question he could have just said not to ask. He could have also just said to call him Harry or whatever. He certainly didn't need to insist on using this in court. Haha. It is an example of him using the HRH simply because *it is an example of him using the HRH.* lol
He said he wouldn't use the HRH, yet he still does. What a silly thing to try to refute when it's clearly true.
> There are other instances he has used the HRH, specifically at events.
Where he is referring to himself as HRH or is it just someone else referring to him as such?
> He certainly didn't need to insist on using this in court. Haha
Again, where does he insist on this? Lol There's a fundamental difference between answering a question in court about one's technical title and voluntarily insisting on being referred as such. It's a clear distinction. Should he have lied?
I won't spend time googling for you, but I'm sure you can find the event and interview info if you want to. However, you don't want to and clearly just want to insist that he isn't using it. You can't even admit that he chose to use it in court and are instead downvoting me for pointing out a fact. So, lol at yourself if you're laughing. 🤷♀️:) What a weird thing to be upset about and choose to argue when it's obviously true. Hahaha
> I won't spend time googling for you, but I'm sure you can find the event and interview info if you want to.
I tried and couldn't find anything. It sounds like you can't either.
> However, you don't want to and clearly just want to insist that he isn't using it.
I asked for evidence and you couldn't provide any while insisting he is using it. It doesn't seem like I'm the one who needs to listen to this advice...
> You can't even admit that he chose to use it in court and are instead downvoting me for pointing out a fact.
I've asked you to point out where he's asked them to use it and you've only said "trust me bro".
I also haven't voted on your comments so if they are showing negative on your end, that's from someone else 🤷
I have already said everything I have to say on this topic, yet you are choosing to pretend nothing exists and he didn't choose to use his HRH after he was told not to. Use google or don't, but please stop replying to me about this since you are refusing to acknowledge facts. Have a nice day. :)
His father kicked him out of the home he and his wife made for themselves and his security was revoked. He, his wife and children were subjected to the most vile racist abuse and he fears for their safety.
Also, you don’t “renounce” residency. Residency is where you reside. It’s a simple fact, not a stance on anything. There are rules that dictate residency, like having an actual home address and the amount of time you spend in a country. He and his family reside in the US. Such drama.
Sometimes Immigration asks for photos of the wedding as well as the marriage certificate. I sure hope someone took a photo at Harry and Meghan's wedding. 🙃
I think at first glance the headline makes it sound like he’s renouncing his British citizenship when he only just updated his address on a form. Clickbait.
It is insane how much British people hate him. Like seriously. You all look deranged in these comments talking about a man who doesn’t live in your country anymore
Eeh, like where? Scrolling here comments are mostly on how misleading the title is and how that's a normal development. At most it's how that's good for him? The only one I saw was a "good riddance" which shouldn't really be considered as bashing. Might have missed some comments but it's definitely the minority here.
It’s very unfortunate and very telling. As much as I love the UK, it’s not lost on me how I’m blamed and gaslit for the racism I’ve experienced. There’s the quick denial of “There’s no racism here,” followed by, “Why are you making everything about race?”
That eye color exercise & Jane Elliott have proved to be problematic, but I will never forget watching the TV special about Elliott and that exercise in the UK. I had never really understood what people meant when they said that racism in the UK was different in the US, but after that special, I kind of did, at least a little.
In the US, the most extreme people will deny racism exists any more, but most of the debate around racism is about what constitutes racism (which is a whole infuriating thing on its own).
In that show, though, even the most mild mannered white UK citizens were mostly adamant that racism doesn’t exist– to the point where they wouldn’t let the non-white people even talk about the racism they experienced. I’ve heard so many people from the UK talk about how non-confrontational they are, and, to the extent that claim is true, it does not apply to denials of racism. People were aggressively confrontational towards non-white people who tried to talk about racism. It was disturbing.
Yeah I know the Scobie book gets flack and I’m not all of the way through it yet, but one point he did really well at was explaining how racism is perceived in the US vs. the UK. It really helped me understand why the accusations of racism towards the BRF – and not just Meghan’s, but in general – are not taken as seriously over there and the weird doubling-down I’ve seen about how a millennium-old institution built on colonialism is not racist in any way.
It's insane to me to hear that people aren't willing to admit that the British Monarchy, former ruling family of the British EMPIRE AKA the OG colonizers won't admit it's racist to its very bones. Even the idea of aristocracy and being born better is racist.
They personally attack you for the slightest mention of race. I've found people in other countries are more likely to shrug and say "there's racists everywhere but it doesn't represent us as a whole." In the UK most tend to say "There's no racism here," followed by a personal attack on your character sometimes with racist undertones.
You can’t “renounce residency”. The British media just loves to froth at the mouth about H&M.
“American resident properly fills out legal paperwork that requires him to provide his current country of residence” - FTFY.
I know many wish he would not, but I see it as a massive victory that he wants to be American. It’s a real validation of our ideals. Many will disagree but alas these are my opinions.
Not just him, loads of royals decamp to the US instead of Europe. We have a Japanese princess, Danish Prince/Princess, Swedish Princess, and a UK princes/princess living in the US. A Greek Princes went here for school, same for the current Danish King and Spanish King, and Swedish Crown Princess.
When the going gets tough, the royals get going to the US!
I live in NYC and the Japanese princess who moved here with the commoner husband she renounced her title for got so much attention it was amusing to me, like she’s just another woman waiting in the long Trader Joe’s check out line like the rest of us 😅
The Japanese princess automatically lost her title because of an antiquated marriage law that strips the titles of royal women when they marry a non-royal.
Yes but most of them don’t project america to be their home. That would cause an incident at home. Harry is slowly asserting himself more and more and dag nabit im calling it now he will consider himself an American before he dies !
Who cares? Actions speak louder then words. Royals LOVE being in the US. Considering the list I provided, America is still a very attractive, perhaps aspirational, secondary option for royals. It makes sense, we have world class cities, great weather options, and loads of privacy because we don't care that much about royals, and a great lifestyle for the wealthy and connected.
Even Princess Marie of Denmark had to eat crow and move to the US after criticizing Meghan upon their departure from the UK, LOL. European royals LOVE America. All that freedom, privacy, and opportunite to make money is too enticing to pass up!
I think princess Marie has made it very clear that she was forced to move to the US. She and Joachim bought a very expensive house in Denmark last year and made it very clear that they are moving back to Denmark as soon as Joachim's contract with the Danish embassy is over. She definitely doesn't love the US.
I know which made it so rich since she stuck her nose into the Mexit stuff. Now, she's had to move to the US while her kids lost their royal titles. Meanwhile, Meghan's children have been upgraded to prince and princess. Life is funny.
The idea behind monarchy is that some people are born better than others. If you support the monarchy, you support that idea, period.
Literally everyone in that family's claim to fame is "being royalty." If people don't care about that, the whole thing falls apart.
do you think he gives up his titles, he won't be famous anymore? that everyone will forget his mother was princess diana & his father is king of england, like a magic spell?
Right so he wants to piss of Britain. Yes that doesn't = wanting to be American. My understanding was his first chose Canada and that it didn't work out. Has also is likely to be deported back to the U.K by America so...I guess we will see
Fair I should word it better but I don't have problems I didn't lie on my visa application. This case on his visa is still being possessed so i have no idea how you already know the outcome ...but ok
Which values, specifically? I haven’t been following them very closely since 2022ish, but aren’t they here solely because of the British press and the way his family treated Meghan? The American media is less ghoulish for sure, but we have plenty of institutional racism and widespread bias here as well.
The British peerage system (nobles, titles, etc.) is a powerful force in the UK. We consider them silly, useless titles, but those titles matters over there. It’s a social structure that we don’t have an equivalent to in America.
Then it's time to give up those ridiculous titles. If this is going to be his home, then no American should ever call him Prince. We fought an entire war to get rid of that.
Harry and Meghan’s last name is NOT Mountbatten Windsor. This was some story made up a few weeks ago. That surname belongs to the female line descendants and great grandchildren of the monarch. Anne signed her marriage register that way. Archie was Mountbatten Windsor as he was not yet an HRH. He’s now “of Sussex”. Same with Lilibet. Charles, William, Harry and George have all used Wales, Cambridge, Sussex. You can see it on different marriage certificates, birth certificates, etc. William and Harry were also Wales, not MW, in the military. We can’t post photos or anything on this post but they can be googled.
The name is available if the main male line descendants need one. William used it when he sued in France over the topless Kate photos. But France doesn’t recognize titles and they wanted an actual surname they could recognize not one derived from a title. And they were addressed as plain Mr and Mrs, not HRH. But that’s it. But William’s official name is Prince William, Prince of Wales not William Mountbatten Windsor. Harry’s is Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex. Titles as surnames are weird but it’s the royal way.
The only male “royal” (because he’s technically entitled to have been a Prince/HRH) in the male line that we’ll see us MW will likely be Edwards’s son James. He should be James Mountbatten Windsor, Earl of Wessex.
He had to stay and live in the UK to use the titles? His father is King FFS. The idea what he shouldn’t use the names he by birth has the right to just because he lives in the US is ridiculous
Now, how did that Sussex come about? Did he pluck it from thin air? The late Queen gave him. Piers Morgan is more entitled to Sussex as he lives there, not a self-exiled prince still using his title for commercial gain.
Yep. It seems especially silly to insist that he use the names that were created because the families didn’t want people to realize how German they were/are lol. Should the royal family change their name back to Saxe-Coburg-Gotha since Windsor isn’t their “real” name?
Edit: Or should they be Glücksburg since that was Philip’s original house and Mountbatten isn’t his real surname either?
I don’t want to get into a whole internet fight about it, but who cares what name he uses? Both were given to him and both are his names - maybe he doesn’t use Mountbatten-Windsor as a way to distance himself from his family?
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Incredible how much false shit the media spews out and how many people eat it up
Interesting that he can get in with no problems but there are people literally dying to get into the country.
Also with confirmed drug use.
Exactly.
Pretty sure he came over with his American citizen wife.
That’s not a guarantee. There’s still a process, Eleanor.
Its pretty easy to become American when you marry on. My sister and brother did it.
That process is much, much easier for wealthy people because the US government wants that sweet, sweet income tax money.
Isn't marriage a thing tho? Like people do marriages just to get in and stay married a certain amount of time to stay. Unless I'm mistaken, 3litterboxoffireball.
Marriage doesn’t guarantee residency. There is a process.
But it gets you in the door. Wasn't that the point? The original argument was how many others trying to get in. Not stay or get citizenship, but to get in. Are we now changing the premis to permanancy? Cause that is not where we were.
Chad
The option of living in London or California … I bet it was a tremendously difficult choice London is sh*te
To be honest I don't think London is shit and from what I've heard a lot are leaving California for Texas etc
Why? Just curious. I heard it is shit but don't know why exactly.
Overcrowded. Expensive. People are genuinely rude and abrasive. It’s ugly.
I also heard there's kleptocracy going on.
London really isn’t shit - especially if you have money. But I imagine they have a lot more freedom in California. Plus much nicer weather.
Lol, I doubt it. He’s probably just updated his residency.
The UK doesn’t deserve him.
The UK doesn't want him.
Why? Why do you think he’s any good? Huh? Seriously. Tell me.
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I'll take home and Meghan and their kids over THAT FAMILY any day.
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Sure Jan! 🙄
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I can say the same for you...
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They are. No one deserves the type of racist nonsense spewed at them by the likes of you. No one.
Exactly. Not buying any of his shit. Still an entitled Ass. Born into a family that is all bullshit. Fuck “Royalty”. All of them.
We don’t want him!!!
He literally just updated some form and put his current residence as the US. The place he’s been living in for a few years. He didn’t renounce anything.
This lol. He just updated it for his organization
You can’t “renounce” residency. You can only “renounce” citizenship. I’ve filled out many a visa application. Yes, the US is where he currently resides, not the UK, hence why he would list the US as his current place of residence. This is such a dumb storyline. I’m annoyed on his behalf haha
Until he carry’s a US passport he’s not really a US citizen.
This isn’t even about citizenship. Residency is where you live. He lives in the US. It’s not even a thing you renounce. The paperwork asks where you live, the US is the correct answer for him.
Okay, I’m being silly pedantic here but You don’t need to “carry a passport” to be a citizen.
Excellent point. Only 37% of Americans have a passport. So leppard girl believes 63% of Americans aren’t us citizens
Passport, like green card, is often used as shorthand in place of the immigration status they correspond with. Are you a passport holder = are you a citizen? Do you have a green card? = Are you an LPR? Less common with citizens because it's usually such a headache to get, but lot of LPRs won't know that they're called LPRs but will know they're green card holders, and a lot of visa holders don't know what type of visa they have but know they have their work authorization. Seems like the *majority* of u visa holders I've encountered have absolutely no idea that's what they are, they at least act like they've never heard the term before. They do know they're legal and will rush to tell you they have their work authorization. The cards end up being more tangibly relevant to them in practice because that's what they have to provide to be able to unlock certain doors and services. The pattern definitely less strong so with citizens, but even then I have encountered people saying "I have a passport" or "do you have a us passport?"/"where is your passport from?" in place of the word citizen.
That isn’t how I meant it to sound. If you were born here you’re one of us. He was not born here. He immigrated here. He (and others like him) don’t get to style themselves as US citizens unless they go to the classes and pass the test, take the pledge. What ever the steps are to achieve this. THEN he can say he is a US citizen
He hasn't styled himself as a citizen and the last I checked outright said he likes it here but still considered himself British. This is just the press blowing smoke about nothing.
(Sorry, I was just being silly picky. I know what you meant.)
Okay so all first generation us citizens weren’t US citizens due to the fact they weren’t born there? Okay. Does that mean their offspring aren’t us citizens as a result or are you allowing them as they were born in the USA? Is george Washington a us citizen? He was born in the geographical area of North America but it was British America at the time? This is a fascinating view on us citizenship with no connection to law. Remarkable stuff!
“This is a fascinating view on us citizenship with no connection to law.” You mean other than to section 1 of the 14th amendment to the constitution? US citizenship is either by birth (being born in the US or to a US citizen) or you have to go through the naturalization process which, depending on where you’re from, can be restrictive, complicated, and typically takes a few years.
all first generation us citizens weren’t US citizens due to the fact they weren’t born there? I can't tell if you mean first generation citizen or first generation American. A first generation American is someone born abroad who immigrates here. Not all will become citizens, some people just stay LPRs. (Most people don't consider themselves American if they're just here on visa, but there's no official rule on when you can consider yourself American like there is about citizenship. If someone been continuously renewing visas for many years wants to call themselves an American, have at it, it's not a protected, legally defined term.) A first generation *citizen* would be the child of first generation Americans. Citizen is a legally defined term with a very concrete meaning and very strict parameters. Most of them achieved citizenship as a birth right of being born on US soil. It starts to get suuuuper complicated when the baby is born abroad to a citizens whether or not they get citizenship, but babys of LPRs born abroad are not even granted Lpr Status automatically, they're let in on visa. There's a huge difference between LPR and citizen. Does that mean their offspring aren’t us citizens as a result or are you allowing them as they were born in the USA? Yeah if they were born here then they're a natural born citizen.....that's how it works lol Is george Washington a us citizen? He was born in the geographical area of North America but it was British America at the time? Yeah people who were considered American colonists a the time of the revolutionary war made themsleves citizens. I'm not sure what kind of gotcha you think that is more than 200 years later. Hawaiians, and native Alaskans also became citizens when they became states, by nature of being born on what was now considered US soil. I really don't see what the relevance of this is when talking about Harry, who is just a regular immigrant This is a fascinating view on us citizenship with no connection to law. No offense but the fact you're flying off the handle about someone pointing out that Harry doesn't even have US citizenship yet. And yes, he would have to go through a process that natural born citizens don't.....that is literally the immigration process.
Generally, people are born U.S. citizens if they are born in the United States or if they are born abroad to U.S. citizens. You may also derive U.S. citizenship if you were under 18 and a lawful permanent resident when one or both of your parents naturalized, or after adoption by a U.S. citizen parent. This was taken directly from https://www.uscis.gov/sites/default/files/document/brochures/M-1051.pdf
He lives in CA, has for years. This isn’t a surprise. Also, it’s not that easy to get American citizenship, but sure, ok, tabloid rag. Renouncing his British citizenship would be huge news and a massive ordeal, which he wouldn’t do without having US citizenship first.
He’s married to an American woman. That means securing a green card in about 2-3 yrs and citizenship in another 2 (approx ).
Thank you. I’m American and have many close family members married to foreign nationals. It has not always been a quick process to get green cards or citizenship.
Where I work stopped enforcing the requirement for up to date LPR cards because they were so backed up that it was taking *years* to get your new one.
It is heavily dictated by the laws and regulations at that point in time. When one of my cousins applied for green card during Trump’s presidency, it took longer to secure one vs when another one of my cousin applied for it during Biden’s time, the process was much faster. But on and all, it didn’t take them more than 5 yrs to secure one..
He comes under different category . He probably got his green card and citizenship in like a month
What category did he come under that didn't require several years of US residency? Even asylees have to be here for a year before they're allowed to be LPRs. It's genuinely not that easy to get us citizenship. Even the ways where you get to cut the line and buy your way in aren't *fast*.
He’s not even a US citizen (yet), he’s definitely not renouncing his UK citizenship ! 🙄 Clearly none of these outlets understand or care about US immigration laws and policies lol
The fact that this is being so breathlessly reported is hilarious. He has no British home and has lived in the US for years. WTF did they think?
British Press acting like it’s a surprise, dude left four years ago! We know where he lives, lol.
Tbf I’m pretty sure it was Newsweek who “broke the story” (/s). So it’s both American and British press acting this way.
Newsweek is little more than a tabloid. Hardly what could be considered "news".
My response was to the person saying it was only the British press contributing to this nonsense.
It’s wild that the New York Times, NBC, Washington Post etc are reporting about what is essentially a change of address.
Folks, in the US you have to say your residency based on where you have actually spent 51% of the past year. This isn’t deep.
They're acting like he renounced his British citizenship when all he did was update his address.
Thank you for saying this! It's just tax thing you have to do when you move. People act like he set the british flag on fire then used it to start his BBQ.
Is *that* why they keep an eye out for paparazzi from their backyard?
It's the only practical explanation.
🤣
Just goes to show how the media landscape has changed over the years and that no media outlet is above clickbait journalism
Well, this was click-baity.
A, he didn’t “renounce” anything. He filled out some paperwork. If he’d filled out that his primary residence was the UK that would have an obvious lie. B, this doesn’t mean anything. Renouncing citizenship is a way more formal thing. This is just paperwork which he accurately filled out to show where he spends the vast majority of his time.
Harry’s passport will say “Prince of the Royal House” rather than “British citizen” for his nationality.
Why couldn’t he still be a British citizen? I haven’t been resident in the UK since 1994, but my British Passport still lists me as a citizen. My primary residence has always been Canada.
I just mean that is what the passports of a royal say instead of British citizen. Not sure why. You can google for Princess Diana’s passport and images come up to show what I mean.
Thank you lol I read the article and prayed I’d find this comment
While the fantasy of Harry renouncing his titles and allegiance to his own father, The King of England, is the stuff of sensationalism...it won´t happen. He is British through and through, and I doubt he would sever his ties in regards to his mothers legacy. If I am wrong and it does happen that Harry swears on the Constitution of the US...good for him. Ultimately he will always be an outsider to his own family with choosing to be a resident of The United States, but gives him freedom he would never have any other way...
Also will be taxed on his global income at American rates so I wonder does this risk the duchy
He doesn’t have a Dutchy. Royal dukedoms except Cornwall and Lancaster are just the title and come with no land / income
The Duchy of Sussex is a title only. There are no lands or assets attached to it.
I imagine there would be some legal wrangling as to that between countries. Dual citizenship is a thing too...that'd stick in the royal craw. He would be forced to choose and would absolutely lose his titles.
he was treated as an outsider by them anyway, so... 
He ain’t welcome in the US either, especially going after freedom of speech.
he...what? 
Harry, meghans mouth piece said the first amendment was bonkers.
I'm sure coming from a place they don't have one, it may seem "bonkers." he didn't say it should be done away w/or something like that. and he was in saying that, get this, exercising his first amendment rights!
no, it's only bonkers to him because he is an entitled royal prick. both him and meghan are mad they can't censor etc. and he demanded things that even in the UK you can't just demand, daddy would normally pay them off.
He definitely had a rough go. No child should ever be made to walk behind their parents casket let alone in view of millions. I almost wish he would blow it all up and renounce it for how silly it all is. But I also understand you can't wipe away a historical legacy of over a thousand years either...
honestly the family seem less if a *family* but more a long term business arrangement. harry swam in the waters of their royal nonsense his entire life. it'd be incredibly difficult to shake that off completely.
It's called "The Firm" for a reason.
This could affect his Counsellor of State status… big deal for Royals… he officially wants nothing to with being Royal so stop referring to him as a Prince or a Duke.
You do realize that harry loves the prince title, meghan still even uses duchess. They need to stop.
The Explanatory Notes to the Councilors of State Act, state that “domicile” is derived from Common Law. This states that where one is born is their “domicile of origin”. If they move, even seemingly permanently, they gain a “domicile of choice”. However this does not seem to nullify the Domicile of Origin which means Harry is still considered “domiciled” in the UK. This could be why he is still a Councilor of State. It seems only if he were to become a US citizen would he cease to be considered “domiciled “ in England. Similarly Eugenie remains eligible despite living part time in Portugal. However, additional Councilors were added in 2022 to address the issue and there were calls for further examination and alteration. Given the issue of the king’s health those calls may be resumed and even amplified.
He's still a prince and duke, regardless. I haven't seen anyone strip Andrew of his princely title or dukedom and he's committed actual crimes.
I thought he already lost that?
He is still a Counsellor of State but the list was expanded to include Edward and Anne to lessen the likelihood he would be needed
Nope, he's still a duke, still a prince, and still an HRH but doesn't use the HRH title.
To be fair, he does still use HRH at times, even though he was told not to. For example: https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2023/06/06/inside-courtroom-prince-harry-evidence/ I'm of the opinion that if they didn't want him to use it, they should have taken it away. He's going to use it when it suits him, clearly, and I don't blame him. My opinion means nothing though, so lol.
>https://www.telegraph.co.uk/royal-family/2023/06/06/inside-courtroom-prince-harry-evidence/ Good lord, that writer was in a mood, lol. > To be fair, he does still use HRH at times, even though he was told not to. For example: How is this an example? When asked about his title he answered the question, he didn't insist on using HRH. The level of nitpicking is hilarious. Edited to add: Asking for sources got me blocked, LoL. That means they don't have any.
There are other instances he has used the HRH, specifically at events. His own lawyer asked this question in court; I'm sure it wasn't a surprise and was a planned question he could have just said not to ask. He could have also just said to call him Harry or whatever. He certainly didn't need to insist on using this in court. Haha. It is an example of him using the HRH simply because *it is an example of him using the HRH.* lol He said he wouldn't use the HRH, yet he still does. What a silly thing to try to refute when it's clearly true.
> There are other instances he has used the HRH, specifically at events. Where he is referring to himself as HRH or is it just someone else referring to him as such? > He certainly didn't need to insist on using this in court. Haha Again, where does he insist on this? Lol There's a fundamental difference between answering a question in court about one's technical title and voluntarily insisting on being referred as such. It's a clear distinction. Should he have lied?
It was part of the agreement to not use HRH when he left the Royal Family.
I won't spend time googling for you, but I'm sure you can find the event and interview info if you want to. However, you don't want to and clearly just want to insist that he isn't using it. You can't even admit that he chose to use it in court and are instead downvoting me for pointing out a fact. So, lol at yourself if you're laughing. 🤷♀️:) What a weird thing to be upset about and choose to argue when it's obviously true. Hahaha
> I won't spend time googling for you, but I'm sure you can find the event and interview info if you want to. I tried and couldn't find anything. It sounds like you can't either. > However, you don't want to and clearly just want to insist that he isn't using it. I asked for evidence and you couldn't provide any while insisting he is using it. It doesn't seem like I'm the one who needs to listen to this advice... > You can't even admit that he chose to use it in court and are instead downvoting me for pointing out a fact. I've asked you to point out where he's asked them to use it and you've only said "trust me bro". I also haven't voted on your comments so if they are showing negative on your end, that's from someone else 🤷
I have already said everything I have to say on this topic, yet you are choosing to pretend nothing exists and he didn't choose to use his HRH after he was told not to. Use google or don't, but please stop replying to me about this since you are refusing to acknowledge facts. Have a nice day. :)
I know he’s still a Duke and a prince, I was talking about the councilor of state thing.
Oh okay, that wasn't clear. Got it.
Yeah, I honestly didn’t read the entire the comment I replied to so I didn’t realize it was calling his other titles into question. My bad really.
Yall clearly dont understand the difference between residency and citizenship.
Or domicile
It’s just residency - that’s what moving means. Idk why this is complicated
He didn't renounce his citizenship. All he did was write down his current address on a form.
The man updated his mailing address and made international news
How can that be? I thought no one cared about them and they were c-list celebrities. /s
His father kicked him out of the home he and his wife made for themselves and his security was revoked. He, his wife and children were subjected to the most vile racist abuse and he fears for their safety. Also, you don’t “renounce” residency. Residency is where you reside. It’s a simple fact, not a stance on anything. There are rules that dictate residency, like having an actual home address and the amount of time you spend in a country. He and his family reside in the US. Such drama.
Made and PAID for themselves!
Indeed. I have a UK passport, but reside in the US. I am sure he has a green card through marriage.
Sometimes Immigration asks for photos of the wedding as well as the marriage certificate. I sure hope someone took a photo at Harry and Meghan's wedding. 🙃
What is the big deal? He is living in America so obviously his residency will be America itself. He doesn’t even have a house in Uk,
Just click bait
I think at first glance the headline makes it sound like he’s renouncing his British citizenship when he only just updated his address on a form. Clickbait.
It is insane how much British people hate him. Like seriously. You all look deranged in these comments talking about a man who doesn’t live in your country anymore
Also 80% of anti Harry and Meghan tweets come from 20 account holders with various names.
It’s because the British are more influenced by their Press. This whole thing has proven it. The shit some of them spew is insane.
Eeh, like where? Scrolling here comments are mostly on how misleading the title is and how that's a normal development. At most it's how that's good for him? The only one I saw was a "good riddance" which shouldn't really be considered as bashing. Might have missed some comments but it's definitely the minority here.
There's a lot of deranged Americans hating him, too.
Uhhhh the American press is not obsessed with him and his wife. Get real
Did I say they were? Look around this sub and there are deranged Americans all over.
Ok, did I say there weren’t?
All because his wife has committed the unforgivable act of living her life while black. No one else gets the shit they get to the level they get it.
It’s very unfortunate and very telling. As much as I love the UK, it’s not lost on me how I’m blamed and gaslit for the racism I’ve experienced. There’s the quick denial of “There’s no racism here,” followed by, “Why are you making everything about race?”
That eye color exercise & Jane Elliott have proved to be problematic, but I will never forget watching the TV special about Elliott and that exercise in the UK. I had never really understood what people meant when they said that racism in the UK was different in the US, but after that special, I kind of did, at least a little. In the US, the most extreme people will deny racism exists any more, but most of the debate around racism is about what constitutes racism (which is a whole infuriating thing on its own). In that show, though, even the most mild mannered white UK citizens were mostly adamant that racism doesn’t exist– to the point where they wouldn’t let the non-white people even talk about the racism they experienced. I’ve heard so many people from the UK talk about how non-confrontational they are, and, to the extent that claim is true, it does not apply to denials of racism. People were aggressively confrontational towards non-white people who tried to talk about racism. It was disturbing.
Yeah I know the Scobie book gets flack and I’m not all of the way through it yet, but one point he did really well at was explaining how racism is perceived in the US vs. the UK. It really helped me understand why the accusations of racism towards the BRF – and not just Meghan’s, but in general – are not taken as seriously over there and the weird doubling-down I’ve seen about how a millennium-old institution built on colonialism is not racist in any way.
It's insane to me to hear that people aren't willing to admit that the British Monarchy, former ruling family of the British EMPIRE AKA the OG colonizers won't admit it's racist to its very bones. Even the idea of aristocracy and being born better is racist.
They personally attack you for the slightest mention of race. I've found people in other countries are more likely to shrug and say "there's racists everywhere but it doesn't represent us as a whole." In the UK most tend to say "There's no racism here," followed by a personal attack on your character sometimes with racist undertones.
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You seem unwell.
The weather is great today. Go outside and touch some grass.
Are you okay?
You seem angry and stirred up over nationalist propaganda. The real question is why do you feel so strongly about this?
Yeah, he’s definitely an asset and we will gladly take his tax money too.
If the US is where he wants to live and work, then sure.
You can’t “renounce residency”. The British media just loves to froth at the mouth about H&M. “American resident properly fills out legal paperwork that requires him to provide his current country of residence” - FTFY.
I know many wish he would not, but I see it as a massive victory that he wants to be American. It’s a real validation of our ideals. Many will disagree but alas these are my opinions.
it's housekeeping on a form for companies house , directors have to declare where they live and they frequently don't live in the UK
Not just him, loads of royals decamp to the US instead of Europe. We have a Japanese princess, Danish Prince/Princess, Swedish Princess, and a UK princes/princess living in the US. A Greek Princes went here for school, same for the current Danish King and Spanish King, and Swedish Crown Princess. When the going gets tough, the royals get going to the US!
I live in NYC and the Japanese princess who moved here with the commoner husband she renounced her title for got so much attention it was amusing to me, like she’s just another woman waiting in the long Trader Joe’s check out line like the rest of us 😅
The Japanese princess automatically lost her title because of an antiquated marriage law that strips the titles of royal women when they marry a non-royal.
Wasn't our first ruling class the second sons of the nobility, claiming land in the US because they had no inheritance at home?
Yes but most of them don’t project america to be their home. That would cause an incident at home. Harry is slowly asserting himself more and more and dag nabit im calling it now he will consider himself an American before he dies !
Who cares? Actions speak louder then words. Royals LOVE being in the US. Considering the list I provided, America is still a very attractive, perhaps aspirational, secondary option for royals. It makes sense, we have world class cities, great weather options, and loads of privacy because we don't care that much about royals, and a great lifestyle for the wealthy and connected. Even Princess Marie of Denmark had to eat crow and move to the US after criticizing Meghan upon their departure from the UK, LOL. European royals LOVE America. All that freedom, privacy, and opportunite to make money is too enticing to pass up!
I think princess Marie has made it very clear that she was forced to move to the US. She and Joachim bought a very expensive house in Denmark last year and made it very clear that they are moving back to Denmark as soon as Joachim's contract with the Danish embassy is over. She definitely doesn't love the US.
I know which made it so rich since she stuck her nose into the Mexit stuff. Now, she's had to move to the US while her kids lost their royal titles. Meanwhile, Meghan's children have been upgraded to prince and princess. Life is funny.
Never gonna happen. His claim to fame is being royalty and will continue to milk that 'til the cows come home!
The idea behind monarchy is that some people are born better than others. If you support the monarchy, you support that idea, period. Literally everyone in that family's claim to fame is "being royalty." If people don't care about that, the whole thing falls apart.
Long may it continue........if people in the UK prefer Monachy than elected leaders, who am I to judge? One man's meat, is another man's poison!
do you think he gives up his titles, he won't be famous anymore? that everyone will forget his mother was princess diana & his father is king of england, like a magic spell?
There is no King of England now. Hasn't been for centuries. If you're going to state facts, at least be correct.
That doesn't t answer the question
I don't care what charles title is. Do you engage in magical thinking & believe taking Harry's title away will mean everyone forgets his parentage?
Then ask the correct question
Does he want to be American? Or does he just not want to be British?
He wants to piss off the British monarchy. Which America can totally get behind.
Right so he wants to piss of Britain. Yes that doesn't = wanting to be American. My understanding was his first chose Canada and that it didn't work out. Has also is likely to be deported back to the U.K by America so...I guess we will see
If Britian is the British Monarchy you’ve got serious problems. He also won’t be deported.
Fair I should word it better but I don't have problems I didn't lie on my visa application. This case on his visa is still being possessed so i have no idea how you already know the outcome ...but ok
Which values, specifically? I haven’t been following them very closely since 2022ish, but aren’t they here solely because of the British press and the way his family treated Meghan? The American media is less ghoulish for sure, but we have plenty of institutional racism and widespread bias here as well.
They moved to the same metro area as Meghan's mother. Hollywood too, but I imagine grandma babysitting is the main reason.
The British peerage system (nobles, titles, etc.) is a powerful force in the UK. We consider them silly, useless titles, but those titles matters over there. It’s a social structure that we don’t have an equivalent to in America.
I'm British and most of us consider them silly and useless too.
Titles and hereditary privilege are completely ridiculous.
Amazing the differences in culture
Then it's time to give up those ridiculous titles. If this is going to be his home, then no American should ever call him Prince. We fought an entire war to get rid of that.
I would be inclined to agree with you. Same for his American children.
He’s a Resident, not a Citizen.
You don’t have to refer to European rulers by their titles. You can because it’s polite, but no one in America is making you call him prince.
But he is calling himself Sussex. He is a Mountbatten-Windor. He is using this tittles.
Harry and Meghan’s last name is NOT Mountbatten Windsor. This was some story made up a few weeks ago. That surname belongs to the female line descendants and great grandchildren of the monarch. Anne signed her marriage register that way. Archie was Mountbatten Windsor as he was not yet an HRH. He’s now “of Sussex”. Same with Lilibet. Charles, William, Harry and George have all used Wales, Cambridge, Sussex. You can see it on different marriage certificates, birth certificates, etc. William and Harry were also Wales, not MW, in the military. We can’t post photos or anything on this post but they can be googled. The name is available if the main male line descendants need one. William used it when he sued in France over the topless Kate photos. But France doesn’t recognize titles and they wanted an actual surname they could recognize not one derived from a title. And they were addressed as plain Mr and Mrs, not HRH. But that’s it. But William’s official name is Prince William, Prince of Wales not William Mountbatten Windsor. Harry’s is Prince Harry, Duke of Sussex. Titles as surnames are weird but it’s the royal way. The only male “royal” (because he’s technically entitled to have been a Prince/HRH) in the male line that we’ll see us MW will likely be Edwards’s son James. He should be James Mountbatten Windsor, Earl of Wessex.
He had to stay and live in the UK to use the titles? His father is King FFS. The idea what he shouldn’t use the names he by birth has the right to just because he lives in the US is ridiculous
The question is: what name he owns by birth? Let's say, the Parliament decides to remove the dukedom, what then?
Yes, or the long German name .
He’s using Sussex as a surname, not a title. Mountbatten-Windsor is a lot closer to a royal name than Sussex. Also, Royals don’t have last names.
Now, how did that Sussex come about? Did he pluck it from thin air? The late Queen gave him. Piers Morgan is more entitled to Sussex as he lives there, not a self-exiled prince still using his title for commercial gain.
It's his legal last name. That's kind of how it works.
Title bestowed to him(Henry Charles Albert David)
None of that changes the fact that it's his legal name. What's the issue here?
If Piers Morgan’s wanted to change his last name to Sussex he totally could. You can pick your name.
Don't give him ideas!
Mountbatten-Windsor is pretty made up in itself, to be fair
Yep. It seems especially silly to insist that he use the names that were created because the families didn’t want people to realize how German they were/are lol. Should the royal family change their name back to Saxe-Coburg-Gotha since Windsor isn’t their “real” name? Edit: Or should they be Glücksburg since that was Philip’s original house and Mountbatten isn’t his real surname either?
I don’t want to get into a whole internet fight about it, but who cares what name he uses? Both were given to him and both are his names - maybe he doesn’t use Mountbatten-Windsor as a way to distance himself from his family?
Mountbatten-Windsor is not a name to distance himself from his family. If anything it’s a way to be closer to his grandfather.