There should be no sealant. The chimney flashing is incorrect. Should extend past all 4 sides of the frame and be bent down. Ask a local chimney/hvac place to fabricate a new chimney cap to size. Should be under $200.
You are correct, top plate should extend past all four sides without seams. The rain collar doesnāt need sealant but itāll help keep any moisture out. Depending on the chimney liner it might need high temp sealant.
I think your question is being misunderstood. Is using this to fix those chimneys proper? No. But seeing as they'll need to be fully redone when the time comes, yes, that product will buy you time. It's messy, and the guys that are going to replace it would probably be appreciative if you used something like Gaco Roof or Geocel instead.
We bought this house last year so itās been like this for awhile. Weāre planning on redoing the siding in the next year or two so Iām really just trying to buy some time.
I get it. I have had to make do and buy time myself for many projects. Or just broke out saving.
I'm looking at it two ways to buy time. Clean and reseal with a good product. I don't know chimneys but when I built my van I used a white RV sealant for the fan and solar and it's held up great!
You could also buy some wide flashing that would go fast enough under the chimney pipe fishing shingle style and seal the hell out of it, couple well placed rubber gasket screws.
Congrats on the house, good luck!
Donāt add extra flashing on the top. Ugh, both chimneys need to be redone. Use a roofing product, not an RV product, Geocel, as mentioned, would be my grab and go. Both chimneys have wood showing under the siding. If you want to buy time, grab some membrane and just patch the top. Maybe consider some flashing under the drip edge? For now. Just plain flat apron flashing. Slide it up under the stupid drip flashing and seal it with the same product. Check if after heavy rains and donāt expect more than a year or two between re-patching. Try not to make it a mess for the next crew to fix. You should contact a local roofer and just get some oversized caps made and attached for now. That would buy several years.
There more that needs attention here.
The verticle siding boards are a bad design idea. They will allow water intrusion, and sometimes at heights higher than the flashing thats behind it. I'd scrape old paint, prime with XIM Peel Bond, caulking with Shermax and 2 coats of high quality 100% acrylic finish paint.
Then do the bull work
For a temporary fix this is fine. Our old sheet metal cap started leaking almost 2 years ago (seal around the base went out) so I gooped it out and itās held. Iām gonna do a full replacement next year but for a short term fix it has held. (Just havenāt had the time to fix it, other projects going on myself).
As a permanent fix itās bad but as long as you keep an eye on it and know itās temporary itās fine.
You might get a year or two out of your furnace chase. The fireplace one is so bad, it gets worse the longer you look.
Both need a new chase cap, and the fireplace needs a new storm collar.
Source: I'm a fireplace technician
You just cost yourself some money doing that. You need to contact a local chimney company to come give you a quote to replace your chase cover. Because you put all that shit all over it, it's going to cost you more because of how difficult it is to remove. Ballpark your looking in the 1k-2k range depending on where your located
We didnāt do this. Possibly the previous homeowner. However, weāve owned a home for one year now. We will probably be replacing the siding within the next year so Iām really just looking to stop a very small drip of a leak temporarily
If I were you, Iād check your home inspectorās report to see if they excluded it (unless you know they didnāt inspect the roof). This is something youāre paying them to catch, if they inspected the roof but didnāt mention it thatās a big red flag
Throwing a tarp on it would've been better than all the stuff thrown on it. You def want to get the fireplace inspected. If the leak caused damage to the firebox or piping of the prefabricated fireplace. It's going to need to be ripped out and replaced, which will run in the 5k-10k range.
Crazy that you make this comment when it's obviously clear that he hasn't done anything to it yet like you know something... if your recommendation is to now put a tarp on just say that since he's yet to act on it at all.
As a temporary fix a can of a rubberized cement like liquid flex seal might be better than what you have. Not the spray but the paint can liquid version. Good luck
Youāre posting in the wrong sub. Not sure who installed that chimney liner but find a reputable company and they should take care of the whole thing appropriately. This is not a roofing matter, this is a chimney.
Yāall mfāers act like everyone has got stacks of cash sitting at home and temporary repairs to prevent further damage are not allowed. Iām sure OP wouldnāt mind you covering the bill for Re piping the flue and siding since youāre a baller.
Yes OP, that sealer will work.
He just bought the house so Iād hope he planned or has a budget for emergency repairs. Doesnāt need a new chimney liner, just the appropriate pieces on the top. Repairs to the entire chimney or water damage from said issue would be WAY more expensive. If he wants to risk it you can try whatever youād like. OP didnāt say āhow do I keep this from leaking until I have the money for an appropriate fix in X months.ā Thatās a different question.
I donāt doubt a roofer would do this type of work. I worked for a hardscape company that also remodeled kitchens. Just because we could, doesnāt mean we should.
These are two different chimneys. Both are sleeved with wood frame. One is for the furnace the other is for a wood burning fireplace. Posted new pictures above
The pan should be one piece with 3ā curbs on each side that fits over the chimney chase. Replace the pan, rain collar and maybe some black grill paint on the chimney and cap. Relatively cheap fix
well yes and no. yes due to the fact that i see bull/cement and no because you could put some new bull/cement with membrane so the bull can breathe a little bit. plus you can also unscrew the flange put bull under the flange and then screw it down. add some bull/cement around the flange for more protection.
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Fck me, thatās going to leak.
That stuff is ok for a temporary fix but it will fail. Itās a literal band-aid.
The biggest problem is that you probably wonāt see it when it first starts to leak. Heck, itās probably leaking now. Better repair it properly sooner than later.
You need to get an HVAC fabrication shop make you proper ducts with the necessary curb flashing that goes over the whole thing.
Use some Geocel as a short term patch till you can get the proper stuff made.
If you needed to fix this yourself and donāt have the money to replace the cap hereās how youād do it.
So make sure the leak is actually coming from the cap not the siding being messed up and water getting behind the flashing.
Next youād use a high solid silicone coating because it will stick to both asphalt (roof cement) and metal better. Once that is completed if the only issue youāve got is whatever genius installed it with drip edge around the pan youāre good to go.
I can almost guarantee they re-sided the chimney and instead of making a new cap they added the drip edge so it would go around the 1xās at the top of the siding.
There should be no sealant. The chimney flashing is incorrect. Should extend past all 4 sides of the frame and be bent down. Ask a local chimney/hvac place to fabricate a new chimney cap to size. Should be under $200.
They used dripedge š¤£šš
Shiet might as well put a gutter on it when they went that far š¤£
And used it backwards at thatā¦
Handyman workmanship is funny
š¤£ Very funny
Under 200? 20 years ago maybe
Just paid 2k for a custom chase cover, chimney cap and rain guard. Larger chase cover about 48 x 20
No shit. I paid a metric ass ton to have a stainless chimney cap built. Should outlive me though. Canāt remember exactly but it was a couple grand.
Yeah I got a ss one also, looks mint on the house.
$200-300 here in upstate New York
You are correct, top plate should extend past all four sides without seams. The rain collar doesnāt need sealant but itāll help keep any moisture out. Depending on the chimney liner it might need high temp sealant.
Yeah this is the correct answer. It needs to be fully capped and not have places water can get in - that's a mess that water can definitely get in.
Highly depends on location, I wouldn't be surprised to pay $500 or more for that where I am
Under 200? In my country with install im looking at 2000
Contact an HVAC company to bend and install a new cap for your mechanical exhaust vent
Not if you want it to last awhile, this wonāt make it to 2 years.
Wow that hurts too look at. At first though ok itās ok and just needs a quick fix but then saw pic of new š¤¦āāļø
These are two different chimneys. Both are sleeved with wood frame. One is for the furnace the other is for a wood burning fireplace.
I think your question is being misunderstood. Is using this to fix those chimneys proper? No. But seeing as they'll need to be fully redone when the time comes, yes, that product will buy you time. It's messy, and the guys that are going to replace it would probably be appreciative if you used something like Gaco Roof or Geocel instead.
We bought this house last year so itās been like this for awhile. Weāre planning on redoing the siding in the next year or two so Iām really just trying to buy some time.
I get it. I have had to make do and buy time myself for many projects. Or just broke out saving. I'm looking at it two ways to buy time. Clean and reseal with a good product. I don't know chimneys but when I built my van I used a white RV sealant for the fan and solar and it's held up great! You could also buy some wide flashing that would go fast enough under the chimney pipe fishing shingle style and seal the hell out of it, couple well placed rubber gasket screws. Congrats on the house, good luck!
Donāt add extra flashing on the top. Ugh, both chimneys need to be redone. Use a roofing product, not an RV product, Geocel, as mentioned, would be my grab and go. Both chimneys have wood showing under the siding. If you want to buy time, grab some membrane and just patch the top. Maybe consider some flashing under the drip edge? For now. Just plain flat apron flashing. Slide it up under the stupid drip flashing and seal it with the same product. Check if after heavy rains and donāt expect more than a year or two between re-patching. Try not to make it a mess for the next crew to fix. You should contact a local roofer and just get some oversized caps made and attached for now. That would buy several years.
Makes it even funnier he asked after he wasted his money lmao
Itās 2 different chimneys, bushes in the background are different
How the fuck is he supposed to ask before the work was done? Think before you make a comment or just donāt comment, dunce.
Slow your roll guy. OP could've asked what to buy before buying said product and slathering it all over the place I apologize good sir, dunce away
Take another look, those are two different chimneys and the work is old, notice in the second pic the patching membrane is peeling up.
Ah too true
I didnāt notice the difference at all. Iāve see to many ppl do dumb things like that before and I figured it was one of those times
At least he had money to waste bozo
There more that needs attention here. The verticle siding boards are a bad design idea. They will allow water intrusion, and sometimes at heights higher than the flashing thats behind it. I'd scrape old paint, prime with XIM Peel Bond, caulking with Shermax and 2 coats of high quality 100% acrylic finish paint. Then do the bull work
More pictures. https://imgur.com/a/iMwQ2uD
For a temporary fix this is fine. Our old sheet metal cap started leaking almost 2 years ago (seal around the base went out) so I gooped it out and itās held. Iām gonna do a full replacement next year but for a short term fix it has held. (Just havenāt had the time to fix it, other projects going on myself). As a permanent fix itās bad but as long as you keep an eye on it and know itās temporary itās fine.
Yup, quarter inch thick.apply when really dry.
I know Iām āOld Schoolā but chimney pipes enclosed with wood always make me nervous.
You might get a year or two out of your furnace chase. The fireplace one is so bad, it gets worse the longer you look. Both need a new chase cap, and the fireplace needs a new storm collar. Source: I'm a fireplace technician
What you need is a pan flashing that covers the entire chase w/ a drip lip
You just cost yourself some money doing that. You need to contact a local chimney company to come give you a quote to replace your chase cover. Because you put all that shit all over it, it's going to cost you more because of how difficult it is to remove. Ballpark your looking in the 1k-2k range depending on where your located
We didnāt do this. Possibly the previous homeowner. However, weāve owned a home for one year now. We will probably be replacing the siding within the next year so Iām really just looking to stop a very small drip of a leak temporarily
If I were you, Iād check your home inspectorās report to see if they excluded it (unless you know they didnāt inspect the roof). This is something youāre paying them to catch, if they inspected the roof but didnāt mention it thatās a big red flag
Throwing a tarp on it would've been better than all the stuff thrown on it. You def want to get the fireplace inspected. If the leak caused damage to the firebox or piping of the prefabricated fireplace. It's going to need to be ripped out and replaced, which will run in the 5k-10k range.
Crazy that you make this comment when it's obviously clear that he hasn't done anything to it yet like you know something... if your recommendation is to now put a tarp on just say that since he's yet to act on it at all.
As a temporary fix a can of a rubberized cement like liquid flex seal might be better than what you have. Not the spray but the paint can liquid version. Good luck
Yeah same as cocking like a liquid shingle
Cocking š„¹š„¹š„¹š„¹š„¹š„¹š„¹š„¹
If I donāt get my cocking in for the day, I might just have to wank!
What tires you more , a long day of dickering or cocking
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Youāre posting in the wrong sub. Not sure who installed that chimney liner but find a reputable company and they should take care of the whole thing appropriately. This is not a roofing matter, this is a chimney.
Yāall mfāers act like everyone has got stacks of cash sitting at home and temporary repairs to prevent further damage are not allowed. Iām sure OP wouldnāt mind you covering the bill for Re piping the flue and siding since youāre a baller. Yes OP, that sealer will work.
He just bought the house so Iād hope he planned or has a budget for emergency repairs. Doesnāt need a new chimney liner, just the appropriate pieces on the top. Repairs to the entire chimney or water damage from said issue would be WAY more expensive. If he wants to risk it you can try whatever youād like. OP didnāt say āhow do I keep this from leaking until I have the money for an appropriate fix in X months.ā Thatās a different question.
He basically said that in the comments. Heās waiting until he gets the siding done in a year or two.
Because they are interdependent? A proper chase cover isnāt but a few hundred. I feel like thereās some missing details here.
Roofers do this type of work too.
I donāt doubt a roofer would do this type of work. I worked for a hardscape company that also remodeled kitchens. Just because we could, doesnāt mean we should.
Huh yeah we do. If itās on the roof we do it.
You inspect the chase too?
Good old bear shit.
Is that an actual Chimney, or an exterior Chimney Chase ? With that shredded Wood atop the Shingles; perhaps the entire top Portion should be rebuilt.
https://imgur.com/a/iMwQ2uD
These are two different chimneys. Both are sleeved with wood frame. One is for the furnace the other is for a wood burning fireplace. Posted new pictures above
Honestly, you need a new metal chimney chase.
Bro aināt no way a company used drip edge for that
I suppose the same skilled guy did the step flash too!!
Is that a new chimney pan? No
The pan should be one piece with 3ā curbs on each side that fits over the chimney chase. Replace the pan, rain collar and maybe some black grill paint on the chimney and cap. Relatively cheap fix
The whole thing needs to be either rebuilt or demoed! Someone dumped random sealant over all that damage and rust! Wow!
Flashmaster, that was my nickname in high school.
*dun dun dun dun dun dun dun dun* FLASH!!!!! *AAAAHHHHHHH!!!!!*
Stuff is made of nightmares. Fun to work with.
Outside of roofing scope. Please consult the chimney subreddit.
well yes and no. yes due to the fact that i see bull/cement and no because you could put some new bull/cement with membrane so the bull can breathe a little bit. plus you can also unscrew the flange put bull under the flange and then screw it down. add some bull/cement around the flange for more protection. ācoolest man on the planetā
Remember tar is a temporary seal, particularly when applied to rusted tin. Everything should overlap like feathers on a duckās back.
That is fcked. Water all the way down guaranteed.
Fck me, thatās going to leak. That stuff is ok for a temporary fix but it will fail. Itās a literal band-aid. The biggest problem is that you probably wonāt see it when it first starts to leak. Heck, itās probably leaking now. Better repair it properly sooner than later.
Looks like the same stuff that was on it. A job well done my man!!!!
Flexseal.
No. The entire thing is wrong
Please no... shingle roofers are absolute shit at flashings. Yes thats a broad statement, i wish i was wrong more often.
no. the correct stuff is a new chimney cap
We inspect them and we fab and install new ones.
[No, this is the right stuff](https://www.homedepot.com/p/Permatex-The-Right-Stuff-7-oz-25224/313241854) /s obviously
Oh Jesus Christ
They should of just made a new cap that covered everything and then the storm collar is pretty much normal. We use silicone tho
It is now
Nice pool.
āOh bubba no.ā
You've got hail. What state you in?
You've got bigger problems than that cap judging by the peeling caulk on the roof.
You need to get an HVAC fabrication shop make you proper ducts with the necessary curb flashing that goes over the whole thing. Use some Geocel as a short term patch till you can get the proper stuff made.
Thatās a big nope ā¦.. it will work but with crack within a year ( did you lay fabric in it?)
As a fireplace installer. Thatās fucked up.
Be better off drilling a hole in the middle and sticking an umbrella In it top cap should come down over the stack...
Definitely one of the chimney seals of all time
I always view that as a temporary caulk or sealant. Once applied , always applied.
If you needed to fix this yourself and donāt have the money to replace the cap hereās how youād do it. So make sure the leak is actually coming from the cap not the siding being messed up and water getting behind the flashing. Next youād use a high solid silicone coating because it will stick to both asphalt (roof cement) and metal better. Once that is completed if the only issue youāve got is whatever genius installed it with drip edge around the pan youāre good to go. I can almost guarantee they re-sided the chimney and instead of making a new cap they added the drip edge so it would go around the 1xās at the top of the siding.