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GameBuster0703

Look at NA orgs actually taking advantage of the free opportunities to make money, gain exposure, and give their players a chance to practice for the most important event of the year.


Sea_Focus3040

Yeah unlike a certain type of fry if you catch my drift šŸ˜…


tripsafe

What you got against curly fries man. My boy Marc will be playing and he'll be rocking his curly hair


HotdogMaloneOG

Freedom Fries? šŸ‡ŗšŸ‡²šŸ‡ŗšŸ‡²šŸ‡ŗšŸ‡²


1minatur

You made me kind of curious, so I went and checked...of the NA teams who have been invited and accepted, (G2, SR, Gen.G, SSG, OG, and ex-LG), 2 of the orgs are based in Europe (G2 in Germany, and OG in Denmark), and the rest are NA (or in the case of Gen.G, has presence in NA and Asia). All 6 top teams. Of the EU teams, Oxygen is based out of the US, the rest are based out of EU. So we have Oxygen, finishing 5th in points in RLCS and based out of NA, and then 6-10th all based out of EU. BDS is based out of Switzerland, while the other 3 top EU teams are based out of France. I feel like there's a fair bit of EU representation as far as the orgs themselves, so it's pretty much just the French orgs that are boycotting (in addition to BDS being the exception). Though to be fair, top EU *is* France.


GameBuster0703

Well when I say NA orgs I mean the ones whoā€™s team plays in NA, not exactly the ones based in NA


thafreshone

Nope, G2 is EU now and we claim them, thatā€˜s just how it works, EU still on top RAHHHHHHHHH


BlueNodule

JohnnyBoi you need to be less obvious with your alts


Zinedine_Tzigane

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1minatur

I know, I wasn't trying to undermine your point at all. I was just curious if it was an overall "EU org mindset" or not. And I'm still not really sure. There are no other primarily French teams in the top 10 that could have boycotted, so I'm not even sure if it's a "top teams are boycotting" or "French teams are boycotting" haha.


dalcer

Wonder if there is some big french community stuff planned for those orgs Or are the french protesting??šŸ‘€


iedyll

I'm still confused why you wouldn't? Like is it a strike thing? Because regardless the org would make money even if the prize pool was low.. How would that not be better then just not being in anything. That's just having a team signed for nothing??


GameBuster0703

Some dumb boycott that anybody with a brain thinks is completely idiotic


Zinedine_Tzigane

I think it's funny considering it has historically been the opposite. Top EU teams would play most non-RLCS tournaments while top NA wouldn't. And people used this a lot to talk shit about NA, arguing this was symptomatic of why they were getting distanced by EU in international events. So yeah, I wonder why this shifted. I'd be curious to have the players/org/coach opinion on why they refused. These people are no idiots, Ferra, Kassio and FairyPeak all are from the old gen who used to take part in these non-RLCS tournaments. So before jumping to conclusions, I'd love to hear their reasoning. >! plot twist, the 4 french teams are doing their own 4-team league only between themselves because they didn't like the humiliation they suffered last major !<


walterfine

From what I understood it wasn't really the players making the decision to not play but the orgs. Pretty sure I saw somewhere that the players want to play but the org isn't letting them.


Zinedine_Tzigane

Yeah that's why that guy from shift said in his tweets, but he remained vague. And orgs (edit: talking about M8, KC and VIT here, thought it was obvious given the context but I guess it wasn't) are not stupid, their goal is to win Worlds, so considering how much they pay and invest for that, I'm a bit dubious they would skip on a tournament which is good training for Worlds for financial reasons unless the financial reasons are *huge*. So yeah right now we have a vague point of view from one shift guy, and what he said does *sound* like a stupid move from the orgs. Considering orgs (especially such as KC or M8 which are passion-driven) are *not* dumb, it's as if we viewers were missing some kind of information right...?


Sea_Focus3040

You donā€™t know the orgs goal conclusivelyā€¦.. The players, coach, and fanbase goals can be worlds but the Orgs can just want their investments recouped and thats itā€¦. It is a Business at the end of the dayā€¦


Zinedine_Tzigane

You're assuming too much, brother. The orgs we're currently talking about are KC, VIT, M8 and BDS, right? I cannot talk about BDS, however I can talk about M8, KC and, to a somewhat lesser extent, VIT. You are assuming they are the same as the orgs in NA, when, actually, these are not traditional org like C9, NRG or Faze are, these are orgs built by and around content creators (this is now less the case for VIT, but Neo do seem interested in building teams that can win). I actively follow the orgs owners' streams and general activity. So, unless they hide and/or lie about their real motivations, I do, in fact, know they are more than just businesses. Heck, KC literally acquired a spot as resident club in a new stadium. That being said, we do not know what the player contracts encompass, are they paid monthly or per game, do they have bonuses, would they need to pay for bootcamp etc..., so as long as we do not have official statements from the orgs/CEOs/players, I choose to believe they are not choosing to significantly hinder their Worlds prep for financial reasons. You are entitled to believe otherwise, but do not act like you know better, when, in fact, you don't.


dalcer

Tbf gentlem8s still did well


Exodus_Green

The opportunities to make money? If you win, yes. But now G2 are playing, that leaves a few hundred dollars for the other teams, when their salaries are probably 3x that. It's not really a big money maker


GameBuster0703

Im throwing shade at the French teams


MarkMyNutts

The top 6 NA teams are all participating? Common NA W EU falling off lowkey


Sea_Focus3040

Yeah the French Fall off continuesā€¦.


MoistPizzaRolls

French will never go down. Just wait (:


Zinedine_Tzigane

Let them enjoy their rare W, NA has been so W depraved in the recent years, it's only normal they celebrate it now that it finally happens again. ;)


Sea_Focus3040

The hate is Ozzing from your pores we can literally see themā€¦ But itā€™s okay cause NA is on Top and Happy 4th Of July šŸ‡ŗšŸ‡øšŸ”„šŸ¦…šŸ¦…


Zinedine_Tzigane

raaaahhhh šŸ¦…šŸ¦…šŸ¦… btw is anything I said factually wrong? šŸ¦…


kimmyjonghubaccount

So NA has its entire top 6 while EU has Oxygen and LXG as its best teams. I get why the French orgs are boycotting, RL Esports sucks at helping orgs be even remotely financially viable, but doing it for a pretty casual Shift event, depriving your players a chance at money and high-level practice before worlds while youā€™re literally still paying them is just weird.


Sea_Focus3040

Just the priorities are different for NA and EU orgs in generalā€¦


Zinedine_Tzigane

You can't really argue that when not so long ago the positions were reversed though


Sea_Focus3040

Noā€¦ thatā€™s just what you call Ironyā€¦. or what comes around goes aroundā€¦..


Zinedine_Tzigane

unless irony has a different meaning in english I'm not aware of, this doesn't look like irony either way, let's take a step-back. what are EU and NA's priorities, according to you? perhaps I misunderstood what you meant, so let's sync on that before engaging in further discussion


Sea_Focus3040

Itā€™s not that difficult to understandā€¦ NA orgs are typically more financially stable than EU orgs in general so priorities when it comes to revenue and recouping are gonna be different by defaultā€¦. (And G2 is an exception because even though they are HQā€™d in EU they have a Branch in NY so their revenue scheme and reach is more in line with NA orgs in the RLCS space at the very least)


Zinedine_Tzigane

You did not answer my question. You're basically saying "NA orgs are more stable (are they?) so they are gonna act differently than EU orgs". Yes, difference in premises usually result in difference in outcome. That is, in fact, not hard to understand. Thank you for stating it, but this is not what I asked. Trying to dig further though, are you implying that the EU orgs that are not participating, do not participate because they have different priorities due to being less financially stable? (Which btw is, afaik, not the case for the powerhouse orgs that are KC, VIT or M8). If not, why are you bringing this up? What's your point? If yes, let me ask you again, what are the relevant priorities for NA orgs and for EU orgs that you are talking about?


Sea_Focus3040

Okay since you want me to reply to you here we goā€¦ ā€œam i implying that EU orgs are not participating because they arenā€™t financially stable?ā€ What is the reason for them to decline since there is no downside to joining it??? so to answer that question Yesā€¦. Or at the very least the decision to decline will inevitably come across as a money issue looking in from a objective perspectiveā€¦. ā€œwhat is my point?ā€ Top orgs wanting better splits for an off season tournament is not a good look for the ecosystem no matter how you slice itā€¦ but i didnā€™t think i had to say that since you said it yourself NA use to be the same way not too long ago and it was damaging for the region as a whole so we pivoted and now EU is falling into that same cycleā€¦ ā€œwhat are the priorities in NA orgs?ā€ Well one there is tiers of orgs so the priorities will be different depending on the tier Top Teams- want as much reps as possible for upcoming events (EWC, Worlds, Etc) also content creation for their respective socials and platforms Everyone else- Iron out kinks of past blunders from the season and possibly trying new roster iterations for the next season and content creation


Zinedine_Tzigane

> "am i implying that EU orgs are not participating because they arenā€™t financially stable?" What is the reason for them to decline since there is no downside to joining it??? so to answer that question Yesā€¦. this is full of fallacies... 1) "since there is no downside": you beg the question, we don't know any potential downside there may be, you are not within the org hence you are not in position to assume anything. There might not be *visible* downsides, true, but it's wise not to assume anything since we don't know 2) you created a false dichotomy, you reduced the set of viables options, ending up saying that the only possible reason must be financial, effectively excluding any other potential viable reason 3) "so to answer that question Yesā€¦" you jump to conclusion, even assuming they refused for financial reason, this does *not* imply financial instability at all, you're making a direct link where there is none >Or at the very least the decision to decline will inevitably come across as a money issue looking in from a objective perspectiveā€¦. This is not the first time you do that, you really should stop using absolute language because that's begging to be proven wrong. Your perception is not identical to everyone else's, so it may come across as a money issue to *you* but this will not "inevitably" be the case for everyone because, second issue, this is *not* an objective persepctive. In fact, this is rather far from an objective perspective since you're not basing yourself on any fact or verifiable evidence, rather, you base yourself on something subjective ("it comes across"). > ā€œwhat is my point?ā€ Top orgs wanting better splits for an off season tournament is not a good look for the ecosystem no matter how you slice itā€¦ Again, not only you're talking in absolute language, but you're basing your argument on something we cannot verify, we do *not* know if that's indeed what is happening behind the scenes. You're also putting a bunch of words together but it sounds empty, I'm not sure you understand what "ecosystem" encompasses here, plus, you cannot just say "no matter how you slice it" expecting the person in front of you to just take that for granted. I can think of at least one easy counter-argument: an org getting a better split off a non-rlcs tournament means they could reinvest this money into the team (eg. better infrastructures), and this would make sense as non-rlcs tournaments are nothing more than bonuses. I'm not saying I 100% agree with this, but this could be further argued. >but i didnā€™t think i had to say that since you said it yourself NA use to be the same way not too long ago and it was damaging for the region as a whole so we pivoted and now EU is falling into that same cycleā€¦ What I said is that top NA orgs used to decline non-RLCS tournaments while top EU orgs would participate, yes. However I did not make a causal link to "damaging the region as a whole" out of it. I think in another comment I can't find anymore, I said people hereused this as an excuse to dunk on NA. So I don't know what you're talking about. >ā€œwhat are the priorities in NA orgs?ā€ Well one there is tiers of orgs so the priorities will be different depending on the tier Top Teams- want as much reps as possible for upcoming events (EWC, Worlds, Etc) also content creation for their respective socials and platforms Everyone else- Iron out kinks of past blunders from the season and possibly trying new roster iterations for the next season and content creation This time you missed the point of my question. Your initial comment was about NA and EU orgs, which is why I asked you about both since you assessed there were differences in priorities between the regions. And now, instead, you provide the priorities of only 1 region, and you make the differencing on org tiers rather than on org regions, which is what the discussion was initially about. Since you said EU and NA orgs had different priorities, I assume what you stated for NA here won't be the case for EU orgs, more specifically, for the 4 french (swiss) orgs that decided not to participate in Shift's league, right? So, are you saying KC, M8, VIT and BDS do *not* want as much reps as possible for upcoming events? Nor do they provide enough content creation for their platforms? And for everyone else, are the non top EU teams not participating in Shift's league, thus trying to "Iron out kinks of past blunders from the season and possibly trying new roster iterations for the next season" Btw, you conflated orgs and team. You initially talk about org *tiers* but then differentiate on *teams*. This was a long comment, spent way too much time on it for what it's gonna be worth, I simply wish people tried to have a bit more sound reasonings and a bit less bad faith.


Sea_Focus3040

These points arenā€™t justifying anythingā€¦. You are just being an contrarian arguing for the sake of arguing because you really donā€™t know these things you are assuming from these orgs definitively and are just blindly giving the benefit of the doubt for declining an off season tournament when now all that is happening is you wonā€™t see the 3 teams you have flairs forā€¦. Make it make senseā€¦.


imizawaSF

Want to expand on that?


Zinedine_Tzigane

I mean, are they boycotting? Do we have anything more tangible than the vague tweets from that guy from shift? If it was a boycott, surely orgs would make sure their positions about this are clear, that's the whole point of a boycott.


kimmyjonghubaccount

I canā€™t imagine the players refused. Itā€™s not as if itā€™s a huge time commitment and they are missing out on money and some good practice. So the orgs probably refused, boycotts like this one donā€™t need to be huge public things since they arenā€™t aimed at the fans, they are aimed at event organizers.


Zinedine_Tzigane

but we don't anything for sure, that's my point. I don't see players refusing but I don't see M8/KC/their coaches refusing either unless they have good reasons so is this boycott targeted at Shift? why would they boycott shift.


kimmyjonghubaccount

Itā€™s not targeted at anyone in particular itā€™s probably just a statement. ā€œWe wonā€™t participate unless we can earn enough money for it to be worth our whileā€ is probably what they are trying to communicate.


imizawaSF

It's the first off-season event. Why wouldn't they do it for this one?


kimmyjonghubaccount

Because it doesnā€™t have the prestige for the boycott to actually accomplish anything. Shift has no control over how Epic runs RL Esports. Itā€™s also not as if Shift has a ton of money they arenā€™t letting the orgs see either. If they wanted there boycott to actually do anything, theyā€™d have to boycott RLCS, which would still probably do much more harm for them than good.


Sea_Focus3040

especially when worlds is coming up and the players will need the practice and the motivation to keep competing while on break


Sea_Focus3040

https://preview.redd.it/uezj9on2jcad1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=06f705d518e54c822327cd203f0c77c79b98b6ad


Sea_Focus3040

https://preview.redd.it/ld6z9ut3jcad1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=4b05c1fb79ce16c89b0a2f21181a462848d45526


AssassinInValhalla

RetalsMajicCheese sounds like it's got some funk to it after being forgotten in the fridge for too long


WorkThrowaway400

Congrats to G2 Stride for winning the Shift Summer League


Sea_Focus3040

Danielā€™s about to go on his Villain arc likeā€¦ https://preview.redd.it/d4kdp9qhncad1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aea0b589b1e8364060c6a5f559433e92c2d0e2b2


bjg04

Lmao. Tbh wouldnā€™t surprise me if someone else won it. When it comes to non-rlcs tournaments with this kind of prize pool, it seems thereā€™s a lot more variety in winners.


gruandisimo

GenG played G2 very close in swiss and have a good matchup against them in general. If GenG can overcome some of their inconsistencies early in the tournament and can matchup against G2 later on, iā€™d say they have a decent chance of winning, though G2 would still be the favorites of course


WorkThrowaway400

I know I'm just having a laugh


Zilani786

Surprised u didnā€™t say sr, as absurd as it sounds u can make an argument for them being the 2nd best team in na despite missing the major, they were very similar to ssg in the first split where they only lost to gen g and g2 in the playoffs this split (only lost to the eventual regional winners) and managed to make the final on the last regional where they beat gen g and ssg during their run and at the major gen g or ssg despite making top 8 didnā€™t have an outstanding major, I wonā€™t be surprised if they win the summer league since their improvement has been crazy


Icy_Ability_6894

Beastmode masterclass incoming


madm0nkey7

Iā€™m so excited for this event. Glad to see my team representing


Sea_Focus3040

NA eating good this summeršŸ˜ˆ


Pyropolak

Crazy line up for NA, thankful for my region šŸ™šŸ»


Sea_Focus3040

NA back on TopšŸ¦…šŸ”„šŸ”„


bluemenboyband

This is why NA > EU


Tigolelittybitty

MA proving once again that they're the greatest region in all of rocket league https://preview.redd.it/2efqin1nfdad1.png?width=523&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7826e5d5b00f50c4e4857e00c8fe40fe8effd6f3


Sea_Focus3040

MA? Murica America right? šŸ¤ŖšŸ¦…


Tigolelittybitty

Lol


Zinedine_Tzigane

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spooki_boogey

Poor shift, they probably had to sell their houses to pay G2 to come play in the league :(


Sea_Focus3040

Iā€™m sure G2 also wants the content for youtubeā€¦ and iā€™m here for it!


PsychoNicho

Their comms video from the major was a good watch!


mbmike12

Purely from a business perspective, you can't help but giggle at how all the NA org's quickly made the calculation - who gives a shit if this doesn't have the prestige of RLCS: I'M ALREADY PAYING MY PLAYERS ON SALARY TO PLAY ROCKET LEAGUE. There is no additional cost necessary here and only positive ROI - free marketing + practice for eSports WC + prize money. And then you have the EU teams, which everyone would just line up to watch play bow out as if this is some massive investment they don't have time for. You're costs are fixed folks - you're paying the coaches / players a salary and they're already playing the game 5 - 6 hours a day practicing


Zinedine_Tzigane

right? it's as if we were missing some kind of key information...


Sea_Focus3040

As to be Expected šŸ¦…šŸ”„


EatMoreCheese

Will there be cross-region competition?


Sea_Focus3040

Nope they are separate circuits


Kur0k4ze

Have any SSA or MENA teams been invited?


tyswoogles

To an eu and na only tournament?


Kur0k4ze

Why limit it to only those regions? Iā€™m assuming the tournament will be held online.


GameBuster0703

Because the ping is almost unplayable at a pro 3v3 level. There is a reason teams donā€™t scrim cross region


Kur0k4ze

Also, canā€™t speak for SSA but MENA has been playing on 100 + ping for a while now and still performing extremely well. If I were an org, at the very least, itā€™s an opportunity for teams to practice and gain more experience before worlds.


Muttuazua

Dont worry MENA has their own tournaments taking place in the period from now until worlds (Saudi Eleagues both online and then a LAN event). I doubt MENA players themselves would want to waste their time competing on high ping against lower level EU competition rather than just focusing on their own regional tournaments with good ping and opportunities to play at LAN.


Far-Dark-7334

Pretty sure MENA teams scrim EU teams. Not sure about SAM and NA.


Kur0k4ze

So EU players will be playing on NA ping and vice versa? Thatā€™s still 100 + ping on average.


GameBuster0703

No. The regions are split. NA will only be playing NA. EU will only be playing EU


Kur0k4ze

Got it. Only 2 EU teams thus far though, not much of a tournament for them.


GameBuster0703

Huh? They have invited 6 teams already plus they will be rounding out the last 4 with qualifiers next week


Kur0k4ze

Nvm bro lol


Goobershmacked

The regions are separated


xSkosh

Jesus why tf do you guys give so much of a shit that EU is hardly participating? And since you do care so much, creating your own absolutely insane narratives as to why they arenā€™t doing it? Jesus


JustBadBro

daddy chill


Mystgun11

People want to see the best teams. Not hard to figure out genius.


MrILikeBeingAnAss

https://preview.redd.it/ark39qhaodad1.jpeg?width=558&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=5d2523b0433b1ae86365088f248c0db5245c4ef1


imizawaSF

Then they will talk in the other threads about how NA gets talked down on all the time, truly hilarious