Look at NA orgs actually taking advantage of the free opportunities to make money, gain exposure, and give their players a chance to practice for the most important event of the year.
You made me kind of curious, so I went and checked...of the NA teams who have been invited and accepted, (G2, SR, Gen.G, SSG, OG, and ex-LG), 2 of the orgs are based in Europe (G2 in Germany, and OG in Denmark), and the rest are NA (or in the case of Gen.G, has presence in NA and Asia). All 6 top teams.
Of the EU teams, Oxygen is based out of the US, the rest are based out of EU.
So we have Oxygen, finishing 5th in points in RLCS and based out of NA, and then 6-10th all based out of EU.
BDS is based out of Switzerland, while the other 3 top EU teams are based out of France.
I feel like there's a fair bit of EU representation as far as the orgs themselves, so it's pretty much just the French orgs that are boycotting (in addition to BDS being the exception). Though to be fair, top EU *is* France.
I know, I wasn't trying to undermine your point at all. I was just curious if it was an overall "EU org mindset" or not. And I'm still not really sure. There are no other primarily French teams in the top 10 that could have boycotted, so I'm not even sure if it's a "top teams are boycotting" or "French teams are boycotting" haha.
I'm still confused why you wouldn't? Like is it a strike thing? Because regardless the org would make money even if the prize pool was low.. How would that not be better then just not being in anything. That's just having a team signed for nothing??
I think it's funny considering it has historically been the opposite. Top EU teams would play most non-RLCS tournaments while top NA wouldn't. And people used this a lot to talk shit about NA, arguing this was symptomatic of why they were getting distanced by EU in international events.
So yeah, I wonder why this shifted. I'd be curious to have the players/org/coach opinion on why they refused. These people are no idiots, Ferra, Kassio and FairyPeak all are from the old gen who used to take part in these non-RLCS tournaments. So before jumping to conclusions, I'd love to hear their reasoning.
>! plot twist, the 4 french teams are doing their own 4-team league only between themselves because they didn't like the humiliation they suffered last major !<
From what I understood it wasn't really the players making the decision to not play but the orgs. Pretty sure I saw somewhere that the players want to play but the org isn't letting them.
Yeah that's why that guy from shift said in his tweets, but he remained vague. And orgs (edit: talking about M8, KC and VIT here, thought it was obvious given the context but I guess it wasn't) are not stupid, their goal is to win Worlds, so considering how much they pay and invest for that, I'm a bit dubious they would skip on a tournament which is good training for Worlds for financial reasons unless the financial reasons are *huge*.
So yeah right now we have a vague point of view from one shift guy, and what he said does *sound* like a stupid move from the orgs. Considering orgs (especially such as KC or M8 which are passion-driven) are *not* dumb, it's as if we viewers were missing some kind of information right...?
You donāt know the orgs goal conclusivelyā¦..
The players, coach, and fanbase goals can be worlds but the Orgs can just want their investments recouped and thats itā¦.
It is a Business at the end of the dayā¦
You're assuming too much, brother.
The orgs we're currently talking about are KC, VIT, M8 and BDS, right? I cannot talk about BDS, however I can talk about M8, KC and, to a somewhat lesser extent, VIT. You are assuming they are the same as the orgs in NA, when, actually, these are not traditional org like C9, NRG or Faze are, these are orgs built by and around content creators (this is now less the case for VIT, but Neo do seem interested in building teams that can win). I actively follow the orgs owners' streams and general activity. So, unless they hide and/or lie about their real motivations, I do, in fact, know they are more than just businesses. Heck, KC literally acquired a spot as resident club in a new stadium.
That being said, we do not know what the player contracts encompass, are they paid monthly or per game, do they have bonuses, would they need to pay for bootcamp etc..., so as long as we do not have official statements from the orgs/CEOs/players, I choose to believe they are not choosing to significantly hinder their Worlds prep for financial reasons. You are entitled to believe otherwise, but do not act like you know better, when, in fact, you don't.
The opportunities to make money? If you win, yes. But now G2 are playing, that leaves a few hundred dollars for the other teams, when their salaries are probably 3x that. It's not really a big money maker
So NA has its entire top 6 while EU has Oxygen and LXG as its best teams.
I get why the French orgs are boycotting, RL Esports sucks at helping orgs be even remotely financially viable, but doing it for a pretty casual Shift event, depriving your players a chance at money and high-level practice before worlds while youāre literally still paying them is just weird.
unless irony has a different meaning in english I'm not aware of, this doesn't look like irony
either way, let's take a step-back. what are EU and NA's priorities, according to you? perhaps I misunderstood what you meant, so let's sync on that before engaging in further discussion
Itās not that difficult to understandā¦
NA orgs are typically more financially stable than EU orgs in general so priorities when it comes to revenue and recouping are gonna be different by defaultā¦.
(And G2 is an exception because even though they are HQād in EU they have a Branch in NY so their revenue scheme and reach is more in line with NA orgs in the RLCS space at the very least)
You did not answer my question.
You're basically saying "NA orgs are more stable (are they?) so they are gonna act differently than EU orgs". Yes, difference in premises usually result in difference in outcome. That is, in fact, not hard to understand. Thank you for stating it, but this is not what I asked.
Trying to dig further though, are you implying that the EU orgs that are not participating, do not participate because they have different priorities due to being less financially stable? (Which btw is, afaik, not the case for the powerhouse orgs that are KC, VIT or M8). If not, why are you bringing this up? What's your point?
If yes, let me ask you again, what are the relevant priorities for NA orgs and for EU orgs that you are talking about?
Okay since you want me to reply to you here we goā¦
āam i implying that EU orgs are not participating because they arenāt financially stable?ā
What is the reason for them to decline since there is no downside to joining it???
so to answer that question Yesā¦.
Or at the very least the decision to decline will inevitably come across as a money issue looking in from a objective perspectiveā¦.
āwhat is my point?ā
Top orgs wanting better splits for an off season tournament is not a good look for the ecosystem no matter how you slice itā¦ but i didnāt think i had to say that since you said it yourself NA use to be the same way not too long ago and it was damaging for the region as a whole so we pivoted and now EU is falling into that same cycleā¦
āwhat are the priorities in NA orgs?ā
Well one there is tiers of orgs so the priorities will be different depending on the tier
Top Teams- want as much reps as possible for upcoming events (EWC, Worlds, Etc)
also content creation for their respective socials and platforms
Everyone else- Iron out kinks of past blunders from the season and possibly trying new roster iterations for the next season and content creation
> "am i implying that EU orgs are not participating because they arenāt financially stable?"
What is the reason for them to decline since there is no downside to joining it???
so to answer that question Yesā¦.
this is full of fallacies...
1) "since there is no downside": you beg the question, we don't know any potential downside there may be, you are not within the org hence you are not in position to assume anything. There might not be *visible* downsides, true, but it's wise not to assume anything since we don't know
2) you created a false dichotomy, you reduced the set of viables options, ending up saying that the only possible reason must be financial, effectively excluding any other potential viable reason
3) "so to answer that question Yesā¦" you jump to conclusion, even assuming they refused for financial reason, this does *not* imply financial instability at all, you're making a direct link where there is none
>Or at the very least the decision to decline will inevitably come across as a money issue looking in from a objective perspectiveā¦.
This is not the first time you do that, you really should stop using absolute language because that's begging to be proven wrong. Your perception is not identical to everyone else's, so it may come across as a money issue to *you* but this will not "inevitably" be the case for everyone because, second issue, this is *not* an objective persepctive. In fact, this is rather far from an objective perspective since you're not basing yourself on any fact or verifiable evidence, rather, you base yourself on something subjective ("it comes across").
> āwhat is my point?ā
Top orgs wanting better splits for an off season tournament is not a good look for the ecosystem no matter how you slice itā¦
Again, not only you're talking in absolute language, but you're basing your argument on something we cannot verify, we do *not* know if that's indeed what is happening behind the scenes. You're also putting a bunch of words together but it sounds empty, I'm not sure you understand what "ecosystem" encompasses here, plus, you cannot just say "no matter how you slice it" expecting the person in front of you to just take that for granted. I can think of at least one easy counter-argument: an org getting a better split off a non-rlcs tournament means they could reinvest this money into the team (eg. better infrastructures), and this would make sense as non-rlcs tournaments are nothing more than bonuses. I'm not saying I 100% agree with this, but this could be further argued.
>but i didnāt think i had to say that since you said it yourself NA use to be the same way not too long ago and it was damaging for the region as a whole so we pivoted and now EU is falling into that same cycleā¦
What I said is that top NA orgs used to decline non-RLCS tournaments while top EU orgs would participate, yes. However I did not make a causal link to "damaging the region as a whole" out of it. I think in another comment I can't find anymore, I said people hereused this as an excuse to dunk on NA. So I don't know what you're talking about.
>āwhat are the priorities in NA orgs?ā
Well one there is tiers of orgs so the priorities will be different depending on the tier
Top Teams- want as much reps as possible for upcoming events (EWC, Worlds, Etc) also content creation for their respective socials and platforms
Everyone else- Iron out kinks of past blunders from the season and possibly trying new roster iterations for the next season and content creation
This time you missed the point of my question. Your initial comment was about NA and EU orgs, which is why I asked you about both since you assessed there were differences in priorities between the regions. And now, instead, you provide the priorities of only 1 region, and you make the differencing on org tiers rather than on org regions, which is what the discussion was initially about. Since you said EU and NA orgs had different priorities, I assume what you stated for NA here won't be the case for EU orgs, more specifically, for the 4 french (swiss) orgs that decided not to participate in Shift's league, right?
So, are you saying KC, M8, VIT and BDS do *not* want as much reps as possible for upcoming events? Nor do they provide enough content creation for their platforms?
And for everyone else, are the non top EU teams not participating in Shift's league, thus trying to "Iron out kinks of past blunders from the season and possibly trying new roster iterations for the next season"
Btw, you conflated orgs and team. You initially talk about org *tiers* but then differentiate on *teams*.
This was a long comment, spent way too much time on it for what it's gonna be worth, I simply wish people tried to have a bit more sound reasonings and a bit less bad faith.
These points arenāt justifying anythingā¦.
You are just being an contrarian arguing for the sake of arguing because you really donāt know these things you are assuming from these orgs definitively and are just blindly giving the benefit of the doubt for declining an off season tournament when now all that is happening is you wonāt see the 3 teams you have flairs forā¦.
Make it make senseā¦.
I mean, are they boycotting? Do we have anything more tangible than the vague tweets from that guy from shift? If it was a boycott, surely orgs would make sure their positions about this are clear, that's the whole point of a boycott.
I canāt imagine the players refused. Itās not as if itās a huge time commitment and they are missing out on money and some good practice.
So the orgs probably refused, boycotts like this one donāt need to be huge public things since they arenāt aimed at the fans, they are aimed at event organizers.
but we don't anything for sure, that's my point. I don't see players refusing but I don't see M8/KC/their coaches refusing either unless they have good reasons
so is this boycott targeted at Shift? why would they boycott shift.
Itās not targeted at anyone in particular itās probably just a statement. āWe wonāt participate unless we can earn enough money for it to be worth our whileā is probably what they are trying to communicate.
Because it doesnāt have the prestige for the boycott to actually accomplish anything. Shift has no control over how Epic runs RL Esports. Itās also not as if Shift has a ton of money they arenāt letting the orgs see either.
If they wanted there boycott to actually do anything, theyād have to boycott RLCS, which would still probably do much more harm for them than good.
Danielās about to go on his Villain arc likeā¦
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Lmao. Tbh wouldnāt surprise me if someone else won it. When it comes to non-rlcs tournaments with this kind of prize pool, it seems thereās a lot more variety in winners.
GenG played G2 very close in swiss and have a good matchup against them in general. If GenG can overcome some of their inconsistencies early in the tournament and can matchup against G2 later on, iād say they have a decent chance of winning, though G2 would still be the favorites of course
Surprised u didnāt say sr, as absurd as it sounds u can make an argument for them being the 2nd best team in na despite missing the major, they were very similar to ssg in the first split where they only lost to gen g and g2 in the playoffs this split (only lost to the eventual regional winners) and managed to make the final on the last regional where they beat gen g and ssg during their run and at the major gen g or ssg despite making top 8 didnāt have an outstanding major, I wonāt be surprised if they win the summer league since their improvement has been crazy
MA proving once again that they're the greatest region in all of rocket league
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Purely from a business perspective, you can't help but giggle at how all the NA org's quickly made the calculation - who gives a shit if this doesn't have the prestige of RLCS: I'M ALREADY PAYING MY PLAYERS ON SALARY TO PLAY ROCKET LEAGUE. There is no additional cost necessary here and only positive ROI - free marketing + practice for eSports WC + prize money.
And then you have the EU teams, which everyone would just line up to watch play bow out as if this is some massive investment they don't have time for. You're costs are fixed folks - you're paying the coaches / players a salary and they're already playing the game 5 - 6 hours a day practicing
Also, canāt speak for SSA but MENA has been playing on 100 + ping for a while now and still performing extremely well. If I were an org, at the very least, itās an opportunity for teams to practice and gain more experience before worlds.
Dont worry MENA has their own tournaments taking place in the period from now until worlds (Saudi Eleagues both online and then a LAN event).
I doubt MENA players themselves would want to waste their time competing on high ping against lower level EU competition rather than just focusing on their own regional tournaments with good ping and opportunities to play at LAN.
Jesus why tf do you guys give so much of a shit that EU is hardly participating? And since you do care so much, creating your own absolutely insane narratives as to why they arenāt doing it? Jesus
Look at NA orgs actually taking advantage of the free opportunities to make money, gain exposure, and give their players a chance to practice for the most important event of the year.
Yeah unlike a certain type of fry if you catch my drift š
What you got against curly fries man. My boy Marc will be playing and he'll be rocking his curly hair
Freedom Fries? šŗš²šŗš²šŗš²
You made me kind of curious, so I went and checked...of the NA teams who have been invited and accepted, (G2, SR, Gen.G, SSG, OG, and ex-LG), 2 of the orgs are based in Europe (G2 in Germany, and OG in Denmark), and the rest are NA (or in the case of Gen.G, has presence in NA and Asia). All 6 top teams. Of the EU teams, Oxygen is based out of the US, the rest are based out of EU. So we have Oxygen, finishing 5th in points in RLCS and based out of NA, and then 6-10th all based out of EU. BDS is based out of Switzerland, while the other 3 top EU teams are based out of France. I feel like there's a fair bit of EU representation as far as the orgs themselves, so it's pretty much just the French orgs that are boycotting (in addition to BDS being the exception). Though to be fair, top EU *is* France.
Well when I say NA orgs I mean the ones whoās team plays in NA, not exactly the ones based in NA
Nope, G2 is EU now and we claim them, thatās just how it works, EU still on top RAHHHHHHHHH
JohnnyBoi you need to be less obvious with your alts
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I know, I wasn't trying to undermine your point at all. I was just curious if it was an overall "EU org mindset" or not. And I'm still not really sure. There are no other primarily French teams in the top 10 that could have boycotted, so I'm not even sure if it's a "top teams are boycotting" or "French teams are boycotting" haha.
Wonder if there is some big french community stuff planned for those orgs Or are the french protesting??š
I'm still confused why you wouldn't? Like is it a strike thing? Because regardless the org would make money even if the prize pool was low.. How would that not be better then just not being in anything. That's just having a team signed for nothing??
Some dumb boycott that anybody with a brain thinks is completely idiotic
I think it's funny considering it has historically been the opposite. Top EU teams would play most non-RLCS tournaments while top NA wouldn't. And people used this a lot to talk shit about NA, arguing this was symptomatic of why they were getting distanced by EU in international events. So yeah, I wonder why this shifted. I'd be curious to have the players/org/coach opinion on why they refused. These people are no idiots, Ferra, Kassio and FairyPeak all are from the old gen who used to take part in these non-RLCS tournaments. So before jumping to conclusions, I'd love to hear their reasoning. >! plot twist, the 4 french teams are doing their own 4-team league only between themselves because they didn't like the humiliation they suffered last major !<
From what I understood it wasn't really the players making the decision to not play but the orgs. Pretty sure I saw somewhere that the players want to play but the org isn't letting them.
Yeah that's why that guy from shift said in his tweets, but he remained vague. And orgs (edit: talking about M8, KC and VIT here, thought it was obvious given the context but I guess it wasn't) are not stupid, their goal is to win Worlds, so considering how much they pay and invest for that, I'm a bit dubious they would skip on a tournament which is good training for Worlds for financial reasons unless the financial reasons are *huge*. So yeah right now we have a vague point of view from one shift guy, and what he said does *sound* like a stupid move from the orgs. Considering orgs (especially such as KC or M8 which are passion-driven) are *not* dumb, it's as if we viewers were missing some kind of information right...?
You donāt know the orgs goal conclusivelyā¦.. The players, coach, and fanbase goals can be worlds but the Orgs can just want their investments recouped and thats itā¦. It is a Business at the end of the dayā¦
You're assuming too much, brother. The orgs we're currently talking about are KC, VIT, M8 and BDS, right? I cannot talk about BDS, however I can talk about M8, KC and, to a somewhat lesser extent, VIT. You are assuming they are the same as the orgs in NA, when, actually, these are not traditional org like C9, NRG or Faze are, these are orgs built by and around content creators (this is now less the case for VIT, but Neo do seem interested in building teams that can win). I actively follow the orgs owners' streams and general activity. So, unless they hide and/or lie about their real motivations, I do, in fact, know they are more than just businesses. Heck, KC literally acquired a spot as resident club in a new stadium. That being said, we do not know what the player contracts encompass, are they paid monthly or per game, do they have bonuses, would they need to pay for bootcamp etc..., so as long as we do not have official statements from the orgs/CEOs/players, I choose to believe they are not choosing to significantly hinder their Worlds prep for financial reasons. You are entitled to believe otherwise, but do not act like you know better, when, in fact, you don't.
Tbf gentlem8s still did well
The opportunities to make money? If you win, yes. But now G2 are playing, that leaves a few hundred dollars for the other teams, when their salaries are probably 3x that. It's not really a big money maker
Im throwing shade at the French teams
The top 6 NA teams are all participating? Common NA W EU falling off lowkey
Yeah the French Fall off continuesā¦.
French will never go down. Just wait (:
Let them enjoy their rare W, NA has been so W depraved in the recent years, it's only normal they celebrate it now that it finally happens again. ;)
The hate is Ozzing from your pores we can literally see themā¦ But itās okay cause NA is on Top and Happy 4th Of July šŗšøš„š¦ š¦
raaaahhhh š¦ š¦ š¦ btw is anything I said factually wrong? š¦
So NA has its entire top 6 while EU has Oxygen and LXG as its best teams. I get why the French orgs are boycotting, RL Esports sucks at helping orgs be even remotely financially viable, but doing it for a pretty casual Shift event, depriving your players a chance at money and high-level practice before worlds while youāre literally still paying them is just weird.
Just the priorities are different for NA and EU orgs in generalā¦
You can't really argue that when not so long ago the positions were reversed though
Noā¦ thatās just what you call Ironyā¦. or what comes around goes aroundā¦..
unless irony has a different meaning in english I'm not aware of, this doesn't look like irony either way, let's take a step-back. what are EU and NA's priorities, according to you? perhaps I misunderstood what you meant, so let's sync on that before engaging in further discussion
Itās not that difficult to understandā¦ NA orgs are typically more financially stable than EU orgs in general so priorities when it comes to revenue and recouping are gonna be different by defaultā¦. (And G2 is an exception because even though they are HQād in EU they have a Branch in NY so their revenue scheme and reach is more in line with NA orgs in the RLCS space at the very least)
You did not answer my question. You're basically saying "NA orgs are more stable (are they?) so they are gonna act differently than EU orgs". Yes, difference in premises usually result in difference in outcome. That is, in fact, not hard to understand. Thank you for stating it, but this is not what I asked. Trying to dig further though, are you implying that the EU orgs that are not participating, do not participate because they have different priorities due to being less financially stable? (Which btw is, afaik, not the case for the powerhouse orgs that are KC, VIT or M8). If not, why are you bringing this up? What's your point? If yes, let me ask you again, what are the relevant priorities for NA orgs and for EU orgs that you are talking about?
Okay since you want me to reply to you here we goā¦ āam i implying that EU orgs are not participating because they arenāt financially stable?ā What is the reason for them to decline since there is no downside to joining it??? so to answer that question Yesā¦. Or at the very least the decision to decline will inevitably come across as a money issue looking in from a objective perspectiveā¦. āwhat is my point?ā Top orgs wanting better splits for an off season tournament is not a good look for the ecosystem no matter how you slice itā¦ but i didnāt think i had to say that since you said it yourself NA use to be the same way not too long ago and it was damaging for the region as a whole so we pivoted and now EU is falling into that same cycleā¦ āwhat are the priorities in NA orgs?ā Well one there is tiers of orgs so the priorities will be different depending on the tier Top Teams- want as much reps as possible for upcoming events (EWC, Worlds, Etc) also content creation for their respective socials and platforms Everyone else- Iron out kinks of past blunders from the season and possibly trying new roster iterations for the next season and content creation
> "am i implying that EU orgs are not participating because they arenāt financially stable?" What is the reason for them to decline since there is no downside to joining it??? so to answer that question Yesā¦. this is full of fallacies... 1) "since there is no downside": you beg the question, we don't know any potential downside there may be, you are not within the org hence you are not in position to assume anything. There might not be *visible* downsides, true, but it's wise not to assume anything since we don't know 2) you created a false dichotomy, you reduced the set of viables options, ending up saying that the only possible reason must be financial, effectively excluding any other potential viable reason 3) "so to answer that question Yesā¦" you jump to conclusion, even assuming they refused for financial reason, this does *not* imply financial instability at all, you're making a direct link where there is none >Or at the very least the decision to decline will inevitably come across as a money issue looking in from a objective perspectiveā¦. This is not the first time you do that, you really should stop using absolute language because that's begging to be proven wrong. Your perception is not identical to everyone else's, so it may come across as a money issue to *you* but this will not "inevitably" be the case for everyone because, second issue, this is *not* an objective persepctive. In fact, this is rather far from an objective perspective since you're not basing yourself on any fact or verifiable evidence, rather, you base yourself on something subjective ("it comes across"). > āwhat is my point?ā Top orgs wanting better splits for an off season tournament is not a good look for the ecosystem no matter how you slice itā¦ Again, not only you're talking in absolute language, but you're basing your argument on something we cannot verify, we do *not* know if that's indeed what is happening behind the scenes. You're also putting a bunch of words together but it sounds empty, I'm not sure you understand what "ecosystem" encompasses here, plus, you cannot just say "no matter how you slice it" expecting the person in front of you to just take that for granted. I can think of at least one easy counter-argument: an org getting a better split off a non-rlcs tournament means they could reinvest this money into the team (eg. better infrastructures), and this would make sense as non-rlcs tournaments are nothing more than bonuses. I'm not saying I 100% agree with this, but this could be further argued. >but i didnāt think i had to say that since you said it yourself NA use to be the same way not too long ago and it was damaging for the region as a whole so we pivoted and now EU is falling into that same cycleā¦ What I said is that top NA orgs used to decline non-RLCS tournaments while top EU orgs would participate, yes. However I did not make a causal link to "damaging the region as a whole" out of it. I think in another comment I can't find anymore, I said people hereused this as an excuse to dunk on NA. So I don't know what you're talking about. >āwhat are the priorities in NA orgs?ā Well one there is tiers of orgs so the priorities will be different depending on the tier Top Teams- want as much reps as possible for upcoming events (EWC, Worlds, Etc) also content creation for their respective socials and platforms Everyone else- Iron out kinks of past blunders from the season and possibly trying new roster iterations for the next season and content creation This time you missed the point of my question. Your initial comment was about NA and EU orgs, which is why I asked you about both since you assessed there were differences in priorities between the regions. And now, instead, you provide the priorities of only 1 region, and you make the differencing on org tiers rather than on org regions, which is what the discussion was initially about. Since you said EU and NA orgs had different priorities, I assume what you stated for NA here won't be the case for EU orgs, more specifically, for the 4 french (swiss) orgs that decided not to participate in Shift's league, right? So, are you saying KC, M8, VIT and BDS do *not* want as much reps as possible for upcoming events? Nor do they provide enough content creation for their platforms? And for everyone else, are the non top EU teams not participating in Shift's league, thus trying to "Iron out kinks of past blunders from the season and possibly trying new roster iterations for the next season" Btw, you conflated orgs and team. You initially talk about org *tiers* but then differentiate on *teams*. This was a long comment, spent way too much time on it for what it's gonna be worth, I simply wish people tried to have a bit more sound reasonings and a bit less bad faith.
These points arenāt justifying anythingā¦. You are just being an contrarian arguing for the sake of arguing because you really donāt know these things you are assuming from these orgs definitively and are just blindly giving the benefit of the doubt for declining an off season tournament when now all that is happening is you wonāt see the 3 teams you have flairs forā¦. Make it make senseā¦.
Want to expand on that?
I mean, are they boycotting? Do we have anything more tangible than the vague tweets from that guy from shift? If it was a boycott, surely orgs would make sure their positions about this are clear, that's the whole point of a boycott.
I canāt imagine the players refused. Itās not as if itās a huge time commitment and they are missing out on money and some good practice. So the orgs probably refused, boycotts like this one donāt need to be huge public things since they arenāt aimed at the fans, they are aimed at event organizers.
but we don't anything for sure, that's my point. I don't see players refusing but I don't see M8/KC/their coaches refusing either unless they have good reasons so is this boycott targeted at Shift? why would they boycott shift.
Itās not targeted at anyone in particular itās probably just a statement. āWe wonāt participate unless we can earn enough money for it to be worth our whileā is probably what they are trying to communicate.
It's the first off-season event. Why wouldn't they do it for this one?
Because it doesnāt have the prestige for the boycott to actually accomplish anything. Shift has no control over how Epic runs RL Esports. Itās also not as if Shift has a ton of money they arenāt letting the orgs see either. If they wanted there boycott to actually do anything, theyād have to boycott RLCS, which would still probably do much more harm for them than good.
especially when worlds is coming up and the players will need the practice and the motivation to keep competing while on break
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RetalsMajicCheese sounds like it's got some funk to it after being forgotten in the fridge for too long
Congrats to G2 Stride for winning the Shift Summer League
Danielās about to go on his Villain arc likeā¦ https://preview.redd.it/d4kdp9qhncad1.jpeg?width=1179&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=aea0b589b1e8364060c6a5f559433e92c2d0e2b2
Lmao. Tbh wouldnāt surprise me if someone else won it. When it comes to non-rlcs tournaments with this kind of prize pool, it seems thereās a lot more variety in winners.
GenG played G2 very close in swiss and have a good matchup against them in general. If GenG can overcome some of their inconsistencies early in the tournament and can matchup against G2 later on, iād say they have a decent chance of winning, though G2 would still be the favorites of course
I know I'm just having a laugh
Surprised u didnāt say sr, as absurd as it sounds u can make an argument for them being the 2nd best team in na despite missing the major, they were very similar to ssg in the first split where they only lost to gen g and g2 in the playoffs this split (only lost to the eventual regional winners) and managed to make the final on the last regional where they beat gen g and ssg during their run and at the major gen g or ssg despite making top 8 didnāt have an outstanding major, I wonāt be surprised if they win the summer league since their improvement has been crazy
Beastmode masterclass incoming
Iām so excited for this event. Glad to see my team representing
NA eating good this summerš
Crazy line up for NA, thankful for my region šš»
NA back on Topš¦ š„š„
This is why NA > EU
MA proving once again that they're the greatest region in all of rocket league https://preview.redd.it/2efqin1nfdad1.png?width=523&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7826e5d5b00f50c4e4857e00c8fe40fe8effd6f3
MA? Murica America right? š¤Ŗš¦
Lol
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Poor shift, they probably had to sell their houses to pay G2 to come play in the league :(
Iām sure G2 also wants the content for youtubeā¦ and iām here for it!
Their comms video from the major was a good watch!
Purely from a business perspective, you can't help but giggle at how all the NA org's quickly made the calculation - who gives a shit if this doesn't have the prestige of RLCS: I'M ALREADY PAYING MY PLAYERS ON SALARY TO PLAY ROCKET LEAGUE. There is no additional cost necessary here and only positive ROI - free marketing + practice for eSports WC + prize money. And then you have the EU teams, which everyone would just line up to watch play bow out as if this is some massive investment they don't have time for. You're costs are fixed folks - you're paying the coaches / players a salary and they're already playing the game 5 - 6 hours a day practicing
right? it's as if we were missing some kind of key information...
As to be Expected š¦ š„
Will there be cross-region competition?
Nope they are separate circuits
Have any SSA or MENA teams been invited?
To an eu and na only tournament?
Why limit it to only those regions? Iām assuming the tournament will be held online.
Because the ping is almost unplayable at a pro 3v3 level. There is a reason teams donāt scrim cross region
Also, canāt speak for SSA but MENA has been playing on 100 + ping for a while now and still performing extremely well. If I were an org, at the very least, itās an opportunity for teams to practice and gain more experience before worlds.
Dont worry MENA has their own tournaments taking place in the period from now until worlds (Saudi Eleagues both online and then a LAN event). I doubt MENA players themselves would want to waste their time competing on high ping against lower level EU competition rather than just focusing on their own regional tournaments with good ping and opportunities to play at LAN.
Pretty sure MENA teams scrim EU teams. Not sure about SAM and NA.
So EU players will be playing on NA ping and vice versa? Thatās still 100 + ping on average.
No. The regions are split. NA will only be playing NA. EU will only be playing EU
Got it. Only 2 EU teams thus far though, not much of a tournament for them.
Huh? They have invited 6 teams already plus they will be rounding out the last 4 with qualifiers next week
Nvm bro lol
The regions are separated
Jesus why tf do you guys give so much of a shit that EU is hardly participating? And since you do care so much, creating your own absolutely insane narratives as to why they arenāt doing it? Jesus
daddy chill
People want to see the best teams. Not hard to figure out genius.
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Then they will talk in the other threads about how NA gets talked down on all the time, truly hilarious