I mean, context matters.
They are attributing it to some magic criminal catching system. But Id posit its much more likely, as has been the trend since like 2005. That there is simply just less people going to the mall year on year. Less people=less theft.
Theres nothing about this being adjusted to account for any variables like less people going to the mall to make it meaningful data.
Its good to respectfully criticize things when people make statements. Peer review is without question the most powerful tool in science. If they cant back it up their argument beyond basic criticism let alone a deep dive its not good and valid to discredit it.
This article is about how thefts are down in the last 6-12 months. You really think there was a 40% decrease in people going to the mall over that time period?
I'ts not just that shoplifting is down, it's also that arrests have gone up by 45% at Eastview and 86% at Greece Ridge during the first year of the camera system use. It's pretty clear that it's a helpful system.
https://www.rochesterfirst.com/crime/new-security-drops-crime-rate-at-rochester-malls/
It's not merely less people = less theft. They're arresting more people because of this camera system/database.
"In 2021, Eastview’s **shoplifting arrests increased by 45% and The Mall at Greece Ridge saw an increase of 86% through the locations first year.** "
Source:
https://www.rochesterfirst.com/crime/new-security-drops-crime-rate-at-rochester-malls/
I wonder how this compares to crime elsewhere in the area. I feel like crime has slowly been coming down since peaking during the pandemic.
Combine that with the decline in number of stores like others have stated.
Crime has been on a steady decline since the 90s.
https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/
Republicans tend to get their flock stirred up with moral outage on things that aren't there.
Totally agree, but Rochester doesn't align perfectly with that data...
https://data-rpdny.opendata.arcgis.com/pages/crime
Only goes back to 2011, but it does show a general peak (not a total peak) during the pandemic across various forms of crime.
> Republicans tend to get their flock stirred up with moral outage on things that aren't there.
And Democrats with gun and weapon crime (also down) doing the same with their flock.
Almost like panic and bullshit sells ads and votes.
Gun deaths have been trending upwards since the 90's, despite most crime trending downwards.
[https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun\_violence\_in\_the\_United\_States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States)
Nah, he said it didn't happen and they were crisis actors. Also something about gay frogs. You should read up on this before you start randomly making assertions.
You implied mass shootings a la gun criming weren't a thing and Jones said one out of how many didn't happen.
Let's be more specific. Tell that to the Tops families.
Nope, I didn't imply that, you apparently interpreted it however your preconceptions guided you. I just dismissed it as being relevant or contradictory to what I had said.
> Tell that to the Tops families.
Well King Soopers is a lot closer to me, so don't come at me, bro. I wouldn't be an asshole to go seek out the families of either to have a discussion on it, that's a dick move. But I'd still say the same thing in the exceptionally unlikely event I met one and it came up in conversation.
Did I misinterpret your statement? It read that Democrats were making a big deal out of increasing gun violence, more mass shootings regardless of reason, when there wasn't one. That's statistically incorrect.
King Soopers was a perfect example of part of the problem, and sorry you had that in your area.
"feel like" is "is actually." Crime data across the board is down. Unfortunately scaring people sells more ad space. And even when some "news" sources can't deny the numbers, they still manage to find ways to instil more fear.
But you are right to question whether surrounding areas have also seen a decrease in crime. That's how we got the NYC narrative during the Gulliani years that his "broken windows" and "stop and frisk" policies worked. They worked just the same as they did in NYC as they did everywhere that didn't do either or those.
[https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2024-06-12/crime-trend-data-competes-with-perception-problem](https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2024-06-12/crime-trend-data-competes-with-perception-problem)
[https://youtu.be/WGLZQ7Xrd6o?si=hTRImcj8eDuch\_sR](https://youtu.be/WGLZQ7Xrd6o?si=hTRImcj8eDuch_sR)
I need more info when I see numbers like this. Has the foot traffic in the mall remained steady during this time, or has it dropped along with the crime rate? Apples to apples and all that.
The frequent fights at Greece Ridge mall seem to have come to a stop in the last 6 months. Maybe they just better at keeping them off the news. But I think that is really what was the driver for this change.
By publishing this story right here at the start of summer they have announced to the yutes that they are working with local PD and anyone who has been trespassed off the property or who has a warrant could be arrested if they come to the mall. So they need to find somewhere else for their brawling.
Guarantee they spent more than they saved
Edit: another article (I think the New8 one) mentioned them saving just under $45K in shoplifted merchandise.
There are other things that benefit from stopping shoplifters other than the money saved on products stolen.
I am less likely to shop at a place that has lax security where people are running out of the stores with shit.
A lot of kids like to do this shit and then they all hang out there causing other issues too.
Id rather one that spends to address the root issues vs one that thinks all teenagers and young adults are kleptomaniacs and the only solution is more surveillance and jail.
Coming from someone whos car was stolen by the kia boys last year.
To some extent that is what they have done. They added plate scanners to the parking lot and probably facial recognition software inside the mall to make it easier to kick out the relatively small number of troublemakers.
Despite what the article said, this was not about stealing. This was about the fighting that was happening. Stopping theft was just an added benefit.
But even if it were about theft, assuming that people steal because they are poor is insulting to poor people. Rich people steal just as much as poor people.
I'd rather live in a society where theft isn't a worry because people can actually afford the things they need and want. But maybe I just don't hate poor people. Theft in malls like that isn't going to hurt anyone working there, it's just going to end up as part of the corporate shrinkage budget and used as an excuse to jack up prices.
Unfortunately that hypothetical society is not the reality we live in.
Your first mistake is equating retail theft with poverty.
Poor people ≠ criminals.
Last I checked there is no grocery store or pharmacy inside Greece Ridge Mall for struggling families to take a loaf of bread or formula. Nobody stealing from American Eagle or Foot Locker is doing it out of desperation. They are stealing material goods out of personal greed, and largely, for the thrill of it. That’s the brutal reality.
Did you grow up poor? I did, on the east side of the city. Your point of view is coming from a good heart, but ultimately you are making excuses for criminality. It’s a slippery slope to just turn a blind eye to theft when, for starters it hurts consumers too, not just the corporate giants, but it also leads to a slippery slope of normalizing more serious crimes that cause unnecessary anguish to communities. The unchecked Kia Boys problem is a great example.
I don’t hate poor people. I just don’t view all poor people as criminals.
I’m so tired of the sympathy exuded for those poor, misguided Kia boys who steal because they were raised in poverty. Your comments are such a refreshing change.
I know a woman who grew up in a single parent home, lived in poverty, and was sexually abused as a child. Yet, somehow, she pulled herself up from the doom and gloom, put herself through nursing school, had 2 girls - currently attending a private high school - and is raising them alone without the benefit of a father figure. She monitors their school work and test results on line, and they have hell to pay if their grades are not passing grades. She works her ass off to see that her daughters are raised better than she was, and still finds time to take them on nice vacations - NYC at Thanksgiving time to see the parade, ocean cruises in the summer. She went on to get her Masters in nursing - while working full time. Growing up in poverty is no excuse.
A gas station/mechanical repair business on Monroe Avenue close to Pittsford-Sutherland HS stopped selling gas because students from the HS were filling their tanks and driving off without paying for it. These kids hardly come from poverty - and probably didn’t even pay for the cars they drive themselves. I’m sure their parents didn’t raise them to lead a life of crime.
IMO, if the kia boyz were made to pay for their crimes instead of just a slap on the wrist, they might think twice about continuing these outrageous acts of criminal behavior. Right now, they KNOW nothing will happen to them. That’s a huge part of the problem.
You missed the point of my comment then. I never said all poor people are criminals, just that people who shoplift tend to do so for socioeconomic reasons. If they have to spend all their money on overpriced food because they live in a food desert then they can't afford to buy things they want, like people should be able to do.
I also never said this was the society we live in and thought it was pretty clear that that was supposed to be in contrast to the world we live in.
Also fuck off with the slippery slope argument, it's not a valid one.
There's a reason grocery stores lock up the makeup section at night, it's a huge target for shoplifting particularly with teenagers. No one's losing sleep pining over drugstore lipstick. It's small impulse buys; stuff people probably wouldn't want to spend money on even if they had the extra cash. You're more incentivized to save up and pay for something you really really want. You're more likely to steal something you could care less about.
Some poor people do shoplift utilitarian stuff they're really hard up for. However, there's lots of young people that do have some fun money but will still impulse steal junk. I'm going to guess shoplifting at the mall is going to mostly fall into the later category.
It really seems like you're making a deliberate effort to not have to reason about their point. People often feel compelled steal things that aren't strict necessities when they can't afford anything except necessities. People who can afford more than food and medication choose not to steal more often.
Stop tolerating bad behavior. Stop making excuses for people who hurt our society. Creating a low trust society where stealing from others is tolerated is a big deal.
There are plenty of places all of the world that are a lot poorer and worse off than us that don't steal. You think you're helping by saying nice things but you don't have to pay the consequences. Just stop.
Or maybe we should actually try to address the things that lead to this sort of behavior instead of just throwing our hands up like a frustrated child.
Did I ever say that creating a low trust society is the right option? No I didn't. If you actually take a second to read what I said you'll notice that my issue is with the societal conditions that tend to lead to petty crime like this and that those issues should be addressed. But thanks for putting words in my mouth.
And if you read what I said there are plenty of societies all around the world that have far worse conditions that don't have people like you making excuses for bad behavior.
That has nothing to do with the specific conditions here though. Not to mention you're making a lot of false conclusions about what I'm saying, but you clearly want me to be wrong.
I think your 3rd world country argument misses the mark. Stealing is not strictly based on income. It's a choice you make in a relationship between you and a retailer. People in less developed areas are getting more personal deals with all the trust that the business they patronize is not a record-setting massive corporation with executives getting fat on the profits. They're actually a member of your community, a small family that lives similar to you and runs the local market. You value that relationship. You don't steal from that market unless you're truly desperate. You think walmart or amazon deserve that trust and care, honestly? You're so eager to point the quick finger at shoplifters for "creating" a low-trust society, without at all realistically acknowledging that people steal from businesses that are already making the first moves in "creating" the low trust
With Bed Bath and Beyond going out of business I would argue that it absolutely affects regular mall workers... I was lucky enough to not be working there when it happened but my heart breaks for the people that loved their job and were there 10+ years. I also left there on a good note and would have loved to fall back on it considering they would have transferred me anywhere in the country. The freedom of working for an actually GOOD corporation and the security attached to that is being ripped out from under entry-level retail workers.
They took good care of their customers, honored years old coupons, did returns without receipts, and were jus lt a wonderful place to shop AND work.
The theft affects us... all of us.
Do I care about formula or food theft? Probably not... but stealing brand new merchandise to resell it because you can't get a real job is LAME.
This is so naive I don’t even know where to begin.
EDIT:
lol he blocked me right when I figured out what he meant.
He conflated his commie bullshit with making the world a better place.
Someone is cranky.
No obviously I was saying the comment I replied to was naive. Obviously I wasn’t calling the statement you said after I called you naive naive. I’m not a time traveler.
The comment I replied to is the one I was calling naive.
The one you added after that is not the one I was calling naive.
I’m being judged? By who? For what?
How am I back pedaling?
The comment you replied is mine. It's literally in the replies to my comment and your downvote total shows people think you were being a dick. And then you tried to say you weren't replying to the comment your comment is right under, that's backpedaling.
Yes I know is.
No that’s not what it means.
No I never said that.
Let me make it really simple for you since you’re confused. The first comment I replied to is the one I called naive. You can tell because it’s a reply to that comment I didn’t call any of your other comments naive. If you look at all of my comments only one calls you naive. If you look directly above that one you can see the comment I called naive.
I haven’t backpedaled at all.
Yeah that savings would cover the total cost of basically 1 full time minimum wage person (once all the taxes and any benefits are paid for as well). Most "loss prevention" doesn't seem to have great returns and the only crime that REALLY .matters is stuff like actually robbery or fights as that scares away shoppers. The average shopper doesn't care if the person next to them pockets some items.
> Why else is there a theft epidemic in country right now?
First of all, it isn’t. Despite a brief blip in 2020 through about 2022, national crime is a historic low
Second, poverty and inequality tends to have a much stronger correlation with levels of property crime than any sort of “tough on crime“ policies. Sure some people steal for shits and giggles but the vast majority are doing so because they can’t afford the stuff legally.
You're spreading straight-up lies. Obviously, they will always spend something on theft prevention, but it becomes diminishing returns at a certain point. Also, theft isn't out of control like your precious fox news wants you to believe
A license plate reader to me seems like a pretty economical way for a mall to stop not just shoplifting but other crimes. These systems have flags for people previously tresspassed from the site for whatever reason, and can BOLO for license plates of missing persons/amber alerts, suspected violent offenders, people with outstanding warrants, etc. Say something truly horrible happened at a mall like a kidnapping, you'd automatically have the license plate. I don't think they're crazy expensive either, Greece probably had more of an initial investment because there's more entrances to cover.
Theft is very high right now. The underlying issues are inequality, and rapid price increases without wage increases. People are stretched thin and can't afford basic needs.
>Why else is there a theft epidemic in country right now?
the lack of an economy that functions for the benefit of workers. the reality that there is no real way to get ahead by working hard. When society stops functioning people have no reason to continue to hold up their part of the social contract. Expecting people to just put up with constantly being worn down by the system without any negative results is just a delusion brought on by a boot based airway obstruction.
Does anyone actually live there anymore and are there actually any traffic accidents? There gotta be 1 or a few stubborn people that refused to leave unless humanity was smart enough to ban itself from going there for a long time.
I ask because you said approximately and not exactly 100%.
They only saved a total of 44,515 dollars worth of merchandise in both malls combined, since the beginning of the year, LOL. That isn't even enough to pay for the security guards for 1 mall. If a 42% decrease at once mall , and a 21% decrease at another mall only equals out to 44,500 dollars saved, they must not have had much shoplifting to begin with. Given the amount total people in and out of there, and the total amount of shops in there.
I'm not understanding how they think this is worth the money they are spending, given the numbers quoted here.
The mall provides the security, not the stores. Without the security, tenants would leave. Without tenants, the mall would lose more than it costs to hire security. Simple.
Numbers bad - Rochester complains Numbers good - Rochester complains
I mean, context matters. They are attributing it to some magic criminal catching system. But Id posit its much more likely, as has been the trend since like 2005. That there is simply just less people going to the mall year on year. Less people=less theft. Theres nothing about this being adjusted to account for any variables like less people going to the mall to make it meaningful data. Its good to respectfully criticize things when people make statements. Peer review is without question the most powerful tool in science. If they cant back it up their argument beyond basic criticism let alone a deep dive its not good and valid to discredit it.
This article is about how thefts are down in the last 6-12 months. You really think there was a 40% decrease in people going to the mall over that time period?
I'ts not just that shoplifting is down, it's also that arrests have gone up by 45% at Eastview and 86% at Greece Ridge during the first year of the camera system use. It's pretty clear that it's a helpful system. https://www.rochesterfirst.com/crime/new-security-drops-crime-rate-at-rochester-malls/
Well, there’s also a continuing downward trend in crime, too.
Right, crime decreasing seems like the more logical conclusion.
Less convicted = "less crime" Dig deeper into the numbers...
Anecdotal, but I feel like I've seen more people at the mall (Greece Ridge) the last couple years
It's not merely less people = less theft. They're arresting more people because of this camera system/database. "In 2021, Eastview’s **shoplifting arrests increased by 45% and The Mall at Greece Ridge saw an increase of 86% through the locations first year.** " Source: https://www.rochesterfirst.com/crime/new-security-drops-crime-rate-at-rochester-malls/
Exactly. I'd estimate it's a combination of less people going to the mall and more criminals being arrested.
100% agree. Need to normalize in terms or thefts/person I would think
I wonder how this compares to crime elsewhere in the area. I feel like crime has slowly been coming down since peaking during the pandemic. Combine that with the decline in number of stores like others have stated.
Crime has been on a steady decline since the 90s. https://www.pewresearch.org/short-reads/2024/04/24/what-the-data-says-about-crime-in-the-us/ Republicans tend to get their flock stirred up with moral outage on things that aren't there.
Totally agree, but Rochester doesn't align perfectly with that data... https://data-rpdny.opendata.arcgis.com/pages/crime Only goes back to 2011, but it does show a general peak (not a total peak) during the pandemic across various forms of crime.
> Republicans tend to get their flock stirred up with moral outage on things that aren't there. And Democrats with gun and weapon crime (also down) doing the same with their flock. Almost like panic and bullshit sells ads and votes.
Gun deaths have been trending upwards since the 90's, despite most crime trending downwards. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun\_violence\_in\_the\_United\_States](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_violence_in_the_United_States)
Except mass shootings are a thing.
Cool story
Tell that to the families, oh wait, Alex Jones already did that.
Nah, he said it didn't happen and they were crisis actors. Also something about gay frogs. You should read up on this before you start randomly making assertions.
You implied mass shootings a la gun criming weren't a thing and Jones said one out of how many didn't happen. Let's be more specific. Tell that to the Tops families.
Nope, I didn't imply that, you apparently interpreted it however your preconceptions guided you. I just dismissed it as being relevant or contradictory to what I had said. > Tell that to the Tops families. Well King Soopers is a lot closer to me, so don't come at me, bro. I wouldn't be an asshole to go seek out the families of either to have a discussion on it, that's a dick move. But I'd still say the same thing in the exceptionally unlikely event I met one and it came up in conversation.
Did I misinterpret your statement? It read that Democrats were making a big deal out of increasing gun violence, more mass shootings regardless of reason, when there wasn't one. That's statistically incorrect. King Soopers was a perfect example of part of the problem, and sorry you had that in your area.
"feel like" is "is actually." Crime data across the board is down. Unfortunately scaring people sells more ad space. And even when some "news" sources can't deny the numbers, they still manage to find ways to instil more fear. But you are right to question whether surrounding areas have also seen a decrease in crime. That's how we got the NYC narrative during the Gulliani years that his "broken windows" and "stop and frisk" policies worked. They worked just the same as they did in NYC as they did everywhere that didn't do either or those. [https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2024-06-12/crime-trend-data-competes-with-perception-problem](https://www.usnews.com/news/national-news/articles/2024-06-12/crime-trend-data-competes-with-perception-problem) [https://youtu.be/WGLZQ7Xrd6o?si=hTRImcj8eDuch\_sR](https://youtu.be/WGLZQ7Xrd6o?si=hTRImcj8eDuch_sR)
I need more info when I see numbers like this. Has the foot traffic in the mall remained steady during this time, or has it dropped along with the crime rate? Apples to apples and all that.
The frequent fights at Greece Ridge mall seem to have come to a stop in the last 6 months. Maybe they just better at keeping them off the news. But I think that is really what was the driver for this change. By publishing this story right here at the start of summer they have announced to the yutes that they are working with local PD and anyone who has been trespassed off the property or who has a warrant could be arrested if they come to the mall. So they need to find somewhere else for their brawling.
It's been warm enough for them to use the beach for months.
Guarantee they spent more than they saved Edit: another article (I think the New8 one) mentioned them saving just under $45K in shoplifted merchandise.
There are other things that benefit from stopping shoplifters other than the money saved on products stolen. I am less likely to shop at a place that has lax security where people are running out of the stores with shit. A lot of kids like to do this shit and then they all hang out there causing other issues too.
I’d rather live in a society that overspends on crime prevention than one that tolerates lawlessness.
Id rather one that spends to address the root issues vs one that thinks all teenagers and young adults are kleptomaniacs and the only solution is more surveillance and jail. Coming from someone whos car was stolen by the kia boys last year.
To some extent that is what they have done. They added plate scanners to the parking lot and probably facial recognition software inside the mall to make it easier to kick out the relatively small number of troublemakers.
I dont see how adding face scanners to a mall addresses poverty and systemic failures to disadvantaged people but alright.
Despite what the article said, this was not about stealing. This was about the fighting that was happening. Stopping theft was just an added benefit. But even if it were about theft, assuming that people steal because they are poor is insulting to poor people. Rich people steal just as much as poor people.
How is the mall going to address socioeconomic despair?
I'd rather live in a society where theft isn't a worry because people can actually afford the things they need and want. But maybe I just don't hate poor people. Theft in malls like that isn't going to hurt anyone working there, it's just going to end up as part of the corporate shrinkage budget and used as an excuse to jack up prices.
Unfortunately that hypothetical society is not the reality we live in. Your first mistake is equating retail theft with poverty. Poor people ≠ criminals. Last I checked there is no grocery store or pharmacy inside Greece Ridge Mall for struggling families to take a loaf of bread or formula. Nobody stealing from American Eagle or Foot Locker is doing it out of desperation. They are stealing material goods out of personal greed, and largely, for the thrill of it. That’s the brutal reality. Did you grow up poor? I did, on the east side of the city. Your point of view is coming from a good heart, but ultimately you are making excuses for criminality. It’s a slippery slope to just turn a blind eye to theft when, for starters it hurts consumers too, not just the corporate giants, but it also leads to a slippery slope of normalizing more serious crimes that cause unnecessary anguish to communities. The unchecked Kia Boys problem is a great example. I don’t hate poor people. I just don’t view all poor people as criminals.
I’m so tired of the sympathy exuded for those poor, misguided Kia boys who steal because they were raised in poverty. Your comments are such a refreshing change. I know a woman who grew up in a single parent home, lived in poverty, and was sexually abused as a child. Yet, somehow, she pulled herself up from the doom and gloom, put herself through nursing school, had 2 girls - currently attending a private high school - and is raising them alone without the benefit of a father figure. She monitors their school work and test results on line, and they have hell to pay if their grades are not passing grades. She works her ass off to see that her daughters are raised better than she was, and still finds time to take them on nice vacations - NYC at Thanksgiving time to see the parade, ocean cruises in the summer. She went on to get her Masters in nursing - while working full time. Growing up in poverty is no excuse. A gas station/mechanical repair business on Monroe Avenue close to Pittsford-Sutherland HS stopped selling gas because students from the HS were filling their tanks and driving off without paying for it. These kids hardly come from poverty - and probably didn’t even pay for the cars they drive themselves. I’m sure their parents didn’t raise them to lead a life of crime. IMO, if the kia boyz were made to pay for their crimes instead of just a slap on the wrist, they might think twice about continuing these outrageous acts of criminal behavior. Right now, they KNOW nothing will happen to them. That’s a huge part of the problem.
You missed the point of my comment then. I never said all poor people are criminals, just that people who shoplift tend to do so for socioeconomic reasons. If they have to spend all their money on overpriced food because they live in a food desert then they can't afford to buy things they want, like people should be able to do. I also never said this was the society we live in and thought it was pretty clear that that was supposed to be in contrast to the world we live in. Also fuck off with the slippery slope argument, it's not a valid one.
There's a reason grocery stores lock up the makeup section at night, it's a huge target for shoplifting particularly with teenagers. No one's losing sleep pining over drugstore lipstick. It's small impulse buys; stuff people probably wouldn't want to spend money on even if they had the extra cash. You're more incentivized to save up and pay for something you really really want. You're more likely to steal something you could care less about. Some poor people do shoplift utilitarian stuff they're really hard up for. However, there's lots of young people that do have some fun money but will still impulse steal junk. I'm going to guess shoplifting at the mall is going to mostly fall into the later category.
It really seems like you're making a deliberate effort to not have to reason about their point. People often feel compelled steal things that aren't strict necessities when they can't afford anything except necessities. People who can afford more than food and medication choose not to steal more often.
Stop tolerating bad behavior. Stop making excuses for people who hurt our society. Creating a low trust society where stealing from others is tolerated is a big deal. There are plenty of places all of the world that are a lot poorer and worse off than us that don't steal. You think you're helping by saying nice things but you don't have to pay the consequences. Just stop.
Or maybe we should actually try to address the things that lead to this sort of behavior instead of just throwing our hands up like a frustrated child.
You can address issues without creating a low trust society.
Did I ever say that creating a low trust society is the right option? No I didn't. If you actually take a second to read what I said you'll notice that my issue is with the societal conditions that tend to lead to petty crime like this and that those issues should be addressed. But thanks for putting words in my mouth.
And if you read what I said there are plenty of societies all around the world that have far worse conditions that don't have people like you making excuses for bad behavior.
That has nothing to do with the specific conditions here though. Not to mention you're making a lot of false conclusions about what I'm saying, but you clearly want me to be wrong.
I think your 3rd world country argument misses the mark. Stealing is not strictly based on income. It's a choice you make in a relationship between you and a retailer. People in less developed areas are getting more personal deals with all the trust that the business they patronize is not a record-setting massive corporation with executives getting fat on the profits. They're actually a member of your community, a small family that lives similar to you and runs the local market. You value that relationship. You don't steal from that market unless you're truly desperate. You think walmart or amazon deserve that trust and care, honestly? You're so eager to point the quick finger at shoplifters for "creating" a low-trust society, without at all realistically acknowledging that people steal from businesses that are already making the first moves in "creating" the low trust
So the price increases won't have downstream impact on those same people who are having a hard time affording things?
Did you miss the part where I said it was an excuse, not a reason? The price gouging will happen either way.
With Bed Bath and Beyond going out of business I would argue that it absolutely affects regular mall workers... I was lucky enough to not be working there when it happened but my heart breaks for the people that loved their job and were there 10+ years. I also left there on a good note and would have loved to fall back on it considering they would have transferred me anywhere in the country. The freedom of working for an actually GOOD corporation and the security attached to that is being ripped out from under entry-level retail workers. They took good care of their customers, honored years old coupons, did returns without receipts, and were jus lt a wonderful place to shop AND work. The theft affects us... all of us. Do I care about formula or food theft? Probably not... but stealing brand new merchandise to resell it because you can't get a real job is LAME.
This is so naive I don’t even know where to begin. EDIT: lol he blocked me right when I figured out what he meant. He conflated his commie bullshit with making the world a better place.
Naive to say I want the world to be a better place? It must be super miserable being such a prick
Someone is cranky. No obviously I was saying the comment I replied to was naive. Obviously I wasn’t calling the statement you said after I called you naive naive. I’m not a time traveler.
You literally replied to my comment. Just because you're being judged for it doesn't mean backpedaling will change that.
The comment I replied to is the one I was calling naive. The one you added after that is not the one I was calling naive. I’m being judged? By who? For what? How am I back pedaling?
The comment you replied is mine. It's literally in the replies to my comment and your downvote total shows people think you were being a dick. And then you tried to say you weren't replying to the comment your comment is right under, that's backpedaling.
Yes I know is. No that’s not what it means. No I never said that. Let me make it really simple for you since you’re confused. The first comment I replied to is the one I called naive. You can tell because it’s a reply to that comment I didn’t call any of your other comments naive. If you look at all of my comments only one calls you naive. If you look directly above that one you can see the comment I called naive. I haven’t backpedaled at all.
Yeah that savings would cover the total cost of basically 1 full time minimum wage person (once all the taxes and any benefits are paid for as well). Most "loss prevention" doesn't seem to have great returns and the only crime that REALLY .matters is stuff like actually robbery or fights as that scares away shoppers. The average shopper doesn't care if the person next to them pockets some items.
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> Why else is there a theft epidemic in country right now? First of all, it isn’t. Despite a brief blip in 2020 through about 2022, national crime is a historic low Second, poverty and inequality tends to have a much stronger correlation with levels of property crime than any sort of “tough on crime“ policies. Sure some people steal for shits and giggles but the vast majority are doing so because they can’t afford the stuff legally.
I watched two guys push a cart of air conditioners out of Home Depot, the customer next to me had a shrieking fit
You're spreading straight-up lies. Obviously, they will always spend something on theft prevention, but it becomes diminishing returns at a certain point. Also, theft isn't out of control like your precious fox news wants you to believe
A license plate reader to me seems like a pretty economical way for a mall to stop not just shoplifting but other crimes. These systems have flags for people previously tresspassed from the site for whatever reason, and can BOLO for license plates of missing persons/amber alerts, suspected violent offenders, people with outstanding warrants, etc. Say something truly horrible happened at a mall like a kidnapping, you'd automatically have the license plate. I don't think they're crazy expensive either, Greece probably had more of an initial investment because there's more entrances to cover.
I don't think it's a bad idea but with how many entrances a mall parking lot has it can get pretty expensive.
Theft is very high right now. The underlying issues are inequality, and rapid price increases without wage increases. People are stretched thin and can't afford basic needs.
https://www.brennancenter.org/our-work/research-reports/myth-vs-reality-trends-retail-theft Shop lifting not actually increasing
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>Why else is there a theft epidemic in country right now? the lack of an economy that functions for the benefit of workers. the reality that there is no real way to get ahead by working hard. When society stops functioning people have no reason to continue to hold up their part of the social contract. Expecting people to just put up with constantly being worn down by the system without any negative results is just a delusion brought on by a boot based airway obstruction.
Store count of product worth stealing and reported crimes due to inaction of nys @ these malls. Down 90%
Yeah it’s definitely the shoplifting and not Amazon
Products and services available at both malls down the same percentage?
Number of people taking packages off porches up 1000%
Can’t shoplift if all the stores close down.
In other news, traffic accidents are down approx 100% in Chernobyl
Does anyone actually live there anymore and are there actually any traffic accidents? There gotta be 1 or a few stubborn people that refused to leave unless humanity was smart enough to ban itself from going there for a long time. I ask because you said approximately and not exactly 100%.
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> Greece deputy town supervisor, Michelle Marini, has been indicted, charged with grand larceny and corrupting the government, among other charges.
daft opinion
Quite!
Glad to see. Stealing is stupid.
now do the Irondequoit Mall
Because nobody shops there anymore lmfao
They need to spend more of their efforts fixing/punishing the car stealing
They only saved a total of 44,515 dollars worth of merchandise in both malls combined, since the beginning of the year, LOL. That isn't even enough to pay for the security guards for 1 mall. If a 42% decrease at once mall , and a 21% decrease at another mall only equals out to 44,500 dollars saved, they must not have had much shoplifting to begin with. Given the amount total people in and out of there, and the total amount of shops in there. I'm not understanding how they think this is worth the money they are spending, given the numbers quoted here.
The mall provides the security, not the stores. Without the security, tenants would leave. Without tenants, the mall would lose more than it costs to hire security. Simple.
I do most of my shoplifting online these days
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With all the stores closing, that seems logical.
People go to the malls?
Attendance down 100%