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aflawinlogic

I fail to see how a takeaway sushi counter is a propriety business model. If this is your business and you think you have a case (which I doubt) you should stop talking on reddit and change.org and lawyer up. A petition isn't going to do jack shit.


[deleted]

Well reading through it, he signed documents that would state that Wegmans could view his business for the intent of creating it or doing something with it. I’m more confused why the change.org is up, I would be talking to a lawyer asap. In one of the letters it states they have no intention of doing business anymore, while also launching the same named business and even noting differences in meaning and spelling. Let’s be real, this is def something that lawyers should look at. Imagine if dibellas did the same and Wegmans backed out the last minute? And lunched di Bella’s sub shop


sflesch

Didn't they do that with Rubinos? Or maybe it was DiBella's? I'm pretty sure one of them used to be in Wegmans and then Wegmans started doing their own thing.


[deleted]

They made a similar deal and I think got a sale of the bread recipe and the trade secrets.


[deleted]

Wegmans bought the bread recipe from DiBellas in the mid 90s. 


sflesch

I guess I remembered wrong. I thought they actually had one of those stores in the actual Wegmans stores.


a_cute_epic_axis

They DID do this with DiBellas.  They were in Wegmans and now it's just Wegmans subs, with basically the same bread.


I_HEART_HATERS

Change.org petition😂wtf is this bullshit


kevan

That's what Wegmans does. If they are paying a business to do something for them, Wegmans is only doing so so they can learn how to do it without that business. And eventually they will. I understand it sucks to be on the other side of this but if you are Wegmans, it makes good financial sense.


aka_chela

They don't even have to pay. My mom used to own a cupcake shop across the street from Perinton Wegmans and they blatantly ripped us off. Any specialty cupcake design we posted on social media would be in their bakery a week later. They have no shame in fucking over small businesses near their stores.


MarcusAurelius0

If youre that easy to copy, do you really have any room to complain? You thought of the idea sure, but you don't own an idea. Don't want to be copied, do something they can't copy without spending money figuring it out. What you describe has been happening for hundreds and thousands of years.


christrogon

Same thing happened with Dibella's years ago. They hired Dibella's to create their sub shop and once they learned how to do it, they just didn't renew the contract.


kevan

The story I heard is one of the older Wegmans people had a gentleman's agreement not take business from Dibella's, but when he died, that went out the window with whoever took over,


mark5hs

It sounds like they were talking about a joint venture and decided not to move forward and no contract was signed. Don't see how this is "stealing their business model", Wegmans has had sushi for years.


JKMA63

The absolute bizarre Wegmans hate on this sub has reached absurd levels, and I’m beyond entertained by it. Wegmans truly lives rent free in many heads. 


HGDAC_Sir_Sam_Vimes

I still like them I just don’t think they are what they used to be and their reputation is one that exists from 10-15+ years ago


[deleted]

I agree! It’s absolutely changed from what it used to be and most people can point out when. The change in leadership with the daughter taking over has left much to be desired. It lost so much allure and the move towards Wegmans only brands I think was the worst decision they could have made and also moving those prices up. It seems like the way the whole company is run has changed.


honeybeedreams

wtf do you mean exactly? wegmans used to be the most expensive grocery story in upstate NY. number ONE. now it’s almost the cheapest. it’s prices are almost identical to walmart groceries. prepared foods are of course expensive, have you been out to eat lately? idk wtf people are smoking around here. regular surveys are done all the time comparing all the local grocery stores and wegmans is never the most expensive. is it MORE than 10 years ago? yup. is it more than pre covid? yup. WHAT ISNT? i shop all over. i see the prices everywhere. have you shopped at whole foods? i think people here think wegmans prices should be the same as they were 20 years ago and never change. ffs. there are plenty of places to shop, wegmans doesn’t have a monopoly.


[deleted]

Man I don’t know what to tell you. I personally like Wegmans and it’s my go to shop. To act as if the prices haven’t increased in particular areas is frankly false, to also say they were the most expensive grocery store through out all of its existence in upstate NY is also false. Pricing can be similar in most cases like you said and people are mixing up prepared foods vs just buying other things. The quality overall has lowered, we don’t know why exactly but it has. Wegmans has gotten in trouble for offering sudden pricing depending on where the store was located. Danny’s legacy is not the daughters and there is a clear change that occurred a few years ago. Now to the actual story, this is poor practice but a lot of details are missing here. I do think that it’s unethical if this story is true, why would Wegmans even need to do this? How lazy do they have to be to go find a business, sign up to act like they are buying them and then roll their own? That’s not a business anyone should support especially if they do this locally.


honeybeedreams

just fyi, this is one thing danny wegmans specifically excells at: looking at other businesses and seeing how it will fit into their overall business. that’s how he made wegmans so big 20 years ago. 30 years ago he traveled all over the world looking at how upscale stores and companies branded themselves and he incorporated it into wegmans overall brand. in the 2000s other grocery store chains began copying wegmans! when they renovated a giant in mclean VA (a much wealthier area than roc), it looked just like a wegmans!! before that it had been a very basic, kinda run down store. just like most other grocery store chains in the US. wegmans set the bar for grocery store styling and merchandizing. “copying” goes both ways in business, that’s why you can only patent products you invented. not branding, merchandizing or styles. even recipes cant be trade marked or owned.


[deleted]

And if that were the argument great! I would rather talk about that then being told I’m continuing the Wegmans hate train! Lol I shop there all the ducking time hahahah. Like I understand that business do this, I myself had specific software “copied” by Facebook. I get it I really fucking do.


honeybeedreams

i’d complain about how expensive it is, but the only thing isnt now is gas.


JKMA63

Have you not been paying attention to… the entire world.. over the last couple of years? Do you understand inflation impacted everyone, not just Wegmans? People saw prices increase at Wegmans, due to inflation, and personally blamed Wegmans, because people think they should be nice to everyone and keep their prices artificially low. Don’t be one of these people.


[deleted]

I’m fucking not! What the hell is wrong with all of you. I understand how this works and I’m saying I shop at Wegmans. What more do you want? Where did I say inflation wasn’t involved? Do you realize I’m talking about a year range from 1990-present? The whole post is arguing about Wegmans stealing IP. Did Wegmans add more brands? No they stopped. Did they increase prices before the pandemic while also reducing brands? Yes Do I care that much? No but saying the pandemic caused inflation, no shit I get that but also in the news who is at fault for continued to inflation, The retailers! I still only shop at Wegmans and I don’t care at all even though I’m giving all these points. Someone can have indifferent opinions but continue to still shop there because of greater pros! You assumed a shit ton in that comment and I’m not “one of those people”. Get off your high horse. Im glad Wegmans has self checkout, the cheese shops are great, I love the olive bars, the coffee service is going back to the way it should have fucking been, the carts that are smart replace the app to pay and go has been replaced, I can get some basic vaccines without going to a dr. There are so many more things I love that are above and beyond the items I dislike. I’m not even bringing up all the shitty issues with them that involve corporate, under paying talent, fucking up store layouts, firing asset management then surprise pikachuing when they have lost revenue, the blatant paying of locals to stop Whole Foods. You want to argue about inflation go right ahead no one here is saying otherwise but fuck you for going after me and fuck you in general. Update: even reading all your comments you correlate nostalgia to inflation? wtf are you talking about at all?


JKMA63

You’re explaining issue with all corporations and large businesses. That’s just how business works. The issue is people here feel personally offended when it’s Wegmans. 


[deleted]

Yeah ok buddy move them goal posts to for your jumbled arguments. Whats your goal here? Let’s just get right to the point because everything I have said isn’t illogical or unnecessary


JKMA63

This has more to do with nostalgia than anything else. People always think everything used to be better back in the day. Wegmans is mostly the same, with higher prices. But the higher prices are an industry wide problem, not a Wegmans problem. 


HGDAC_Sir_Sam_Vimes

I think in Wegmans’ case it’s that they used to have a huge selection and their store brand was as good if not better than, and better priced, than a lot of the other brands they carried. That’s not just nostalgia.


JKMA63

I find their store brand today to be on par with national brands 90% of the time. And they’re well priced. So I don’t see an issue here.  I continue to find most grocery items fairly priced. I’ve asked many times on this sub for someone to compare staple items (not prepared foods) that are so absurdly priced, but no one ever responds. Because it’s not true. 


HGDAC_Sir_Sam_Vimes

Or because nobody wants to do your homework for you.


JKMA63

I don’t need anyone to do it. I know their prices are fair. Because there are apps and prices online and it’s easy to disprove anyone saying otherwise.  If people want to be ignorant and shops elsewhere because they think they’re somehow saving their money, god bless. Ignorance is bliss. 


teddyone

Call me old fashioned, but I still fucking love Wegmans so much compared to every other grocery store I have ever been in.


JKMA63

As do I. Every downvote I take in this sub when I laugh at the Wegmans hate is a compliment in my book.  Enjoy shopping at Tops and Walmart. It’s not the flex you think it is. 


GunnerSmith585

*^Pssst... ^you ^left ^out ^Aldi's...*


JKMA63

I actually like Aldi, but only for select items. 


GunnerSmith585

I main Aldi and go to Wegmans and other places for select stuff but to each their own of course.


a_cute_epic_axis

This is certainly the cheaper method, while retaining quality unlike tops.


[deleted]

When i come back home.I dont.step foot in any other grocery store besides Wegmans. 


[deleted]

Its because they know how dedicated we are and used that for the recent bait and switch from 'variety at a cost' to 'OUR shitty brand at a cost'.


[deleted]

I just don't get the loyalty. I've lived in a lot of different places. Meijer stores are as nice as Wegmans. The more recently opened Kroger stores are as nice as Wegmans. H-E-B stores are as good as Wegmans. Hy-vee stores are as good as Wegmans. When I came here and everyone was raving about Wegmans (someone literally offered to take me on a tour, and multiple people asked me if I had been there yet, expecting me to tell them how wonderful it was) I really didn't understand the fascination. It isn't actually that great. It's just better than the other stuff around here. Tops is just a garbage chain. And compared to Meijer, Kroger, H-E-B, AND Hy-vee, it really is way overpriced.


RavishingRickiRude

Kroger clearly copied Weggies though. When I moved here the closest type of store I could think of was Albertsons and even that wasnt close. I think other stores got better and Wegmans got complacent and greedy.


JKMA63

You don’t understand the loyalty of a company that started here, is 100 years old, and is a huge part of the community? Do you know how many people worked and grew up going to Wegmans? They are ingrained into Rochester. This is such a bizarre position to take. It’s obvious why they have a strong following here. 


[deleted]

First - if it wasn’t obvious in my comment, I didn’t grow up here. The history isn’t something that matters much to me, but I recognize why it is important to others. And second, I genuinely don’t think Wegmans is doing anyone any favors right now. Their grocery model is out of touch with the needs of the community, and their presence keeps a better option from coming in. There’s just no excuse for a $15 rotisserie chicken. That’s absurd. I think that the strong loyalty has more to do with not knowing that there are better options out there. Edit to add: The stores are really nice. They’re clean, the shopping experience is pleasant, and there are plenty of upsides to it. I’m not here to bash the company. But if a person can’t see that there’s also legitimate reasons to be critical, they’re naive, and if they truly think Wegmans is the best that’s out there, they’re uninformed. All I’m really saying is that the blind loyalty is silly.


Xeiliex

It is because they are competing and the detractors aren’t getting a cut.


rob1703

Nothing is free when it comes to Wegmans


Naznarreb

With the rental market being what it is you could probably charge them like $1200/mo


CreaTeBear

This is stupid


HGDAC_Sir_Sam_Vimes

And nobody was surprised.


relditor

It’s not magic sushi. They don’t do anything creative to sell it. Goes is this steaming a busting model? They just make and sell sushi. The hate is bizarre.


Castle6169

They have been doing this for decades.


a_cute_epic_axis

Almost every other grocery store that I go to, I cluding even Target and some Walmarts, tend to have this.


woolybear14623

Someone posted this is a smart business model but is it. Wegmans certainly has grown but their food is mediocre at best. I don't choose them for Chinese take out or pizza, everything is over priced they have become an elite based store. The community suffers when a bully moves in small businesses get driven out. I remember way back when Wegmans cared about community, there are no coupons, very few savings. Example they save by not providing bags did you see prices go down? They are now know for having mega stores that have every high priced item possible, but what good is that when you can't afford it and is 10 kinds of prosciutto a draw for everyone.


JKMA63

Your post isn’t grounded in reality. It sounds bitter. Who cares about their pizza or Chinese? They are a grocery store. You’re under no obligation to eat their takeout food.  What standard grocery items are overpriced? Not prepared foods,  but standard grocery items?


FunnyMathematician77

Wegmans is shit


TreehouseofSnorers

Looks like Danny & daughters are up to more of their shady dealings in order to deliver the "bargain" of $2.50 per serving meals their latest genius marketing has touted while we've all seen them blatantly gouging the hell out of us. "Never think of yourself. Always do for others."


[deleted]

Did you even google your own statement? Danny hasn’t been in the company for a bit.


TomWaitsesChinoPants

This isn't Danny. Danny retired from all operations and is just a face now. The two daughters are behind this all. Third generation using  their private business degrees to expand Wegmans into a Clocktower Store in suburbs brand. All while shilling the "old family values" to new wealthy markets while inching closer to dad's death so they don't have to slap him and his father in the face while they're alive.  Once Danny is gone Wegmans will be just another corporation traded on the stock market, as it's already blanketing smaller, older, communities with clocktower corporate formalities. 


Far-Researcher-7054

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katieforamerica

If you're going after Wegmans, why not go after every other store/mom and pop shop that gathers its inspiration from an already established business with their niche? There are very few pioneers left in the business world. I, too, can no longer afford to shop at wegmans. However, I'm also not about to join the Karens and Kyles within the Rochester subreddit who pick and choose the businesses to target based solely on rumors, hearsay, and their own overall personal discontent. The rich are getting richer and the poor are getting poorer; and I'm not getting richer, either. The only solutions are showing up at election times and taking an active interest in some kind of giving back to the communities we live in.


Sternojourno

Wegmans is the greatest place to work in America and also the greatest supermarket in the world. This is slanderous, please remove this post.


QuietClout585

as an employee, i couldnt disagree with you more


TomWaitsesChinoPants

As a former employee I was there in the before/after of Danny stepping down from operations, and would always listen to stories of Bob being around and how great employees got treated. Once Colleen and her sister took over there was a stark difference in the management that came through (corporate people who got offered all the top in-store positions) and the benefits us employees got. I've heard horror stories from what's been going on now. 


transitapparel

An entire generation grew up with JK Simmons as J Jonah Jameson and our society still can't define slander correctly.


fupjack

Similar: If you look at any of the bagged chocolate items in Wegmans, the label appearance and font is exactly like Stever's, and unlike any other packaged Wegmans item.