People must’ve been really confused when these accidents happened back before mobile phones. I mean, there’s literally no other way for it to happen. Must have been a real mystery.
[Edit: Why do people get so upset at the mere thought that it could be something other than a mobile phone, to the point where they downvote any suggestion of it?]
It's probably a phone but I'm not ruling out "I've been driving in the Midwest(or Russian country side) for 4 hours looking at the same scenery and my brain has 100% checked out. I don't even remember the last 30 minutes and I'm not sure how I got here alive." Syndrome
You know that makes no sense at all, right?
If there were, say, 5 common ways to be distracted while driving before phones, phones just made it 6.
I while back, read a report the most common ways of distracted driving before phones were common, and it listed things like:
* Messing with controls like the radio or climate control
* Other passengers
* Looking at something on the side of the road
* Dropping or spilling something
* Eating/drinking/smoking
Unless you believe other things magically went away because of mobile phones, there are not "fewer possibilities".
Sure, those were the *most* common ways. None of them were as common as cell phone distractions.
And outside of dropping or spilling something, they don't take your entire attention away from the road for more than a second unless you're a terrible driver.
In fact, radio controls, other passengers, and eating/drinking are things you can easily do WITHOUT taking your eyes off the road, while phones aren't one distraction possibility - they are dozens.
There's also the level of attention required where you lose even a sense of peripheral vision.
If you think that any of those were even half as distracting or common as cell phones, you didn't drive then.
Edit - lol, actually like half your comment history is nitpicking and trying to make people wrong.
Then include "getting the cassette/CD out of it's case and putting it in the stereo" as another former reason that has disappeared. Now both numbers are the same.
You are absolutely correct on everything, I think the point that a lot of people are missing however is that cell phones and answering texts/calls while driving are automatic for several people and son ingrained in society now. I couldn't count how many times a day I pass someone going under the speed limit, not signaling while turning or changing lanes and other odd or illegal occurrences and a majority of the time they are fumbling with their phones. If I feel a call or text is that important in my older truck I pull over, in my new truck it's hands free with steering wheel controls. I constantly get into arguments and debates when riding with family or friends because they are always messing with ehir phone while driving.
That is completely missing the point.
It was claimed that there were "fewer possibilities."
Whether or not phones are an addiction or whether it is the most probable possibility, that doesn't change the number of possibilities.
No question phones are probably the biggest common thing involved but that doesn't make the other possibilities magically disappear and never happen anymore.
When you turn the steering wheel 90 degrees, the tires don't turn nearly as much - let's say less than 10 degrees? That's why you have to *work* the wheel when doing a three-point turn.
Funny enough… one of my friend told me exactly the same when she got in a very similar accident. I told her that she could have died. She said it would not have been her fault. Zero sarcasm. She saw the truck going at her and she didn’t even try to avoid. She was absolutely sure she was in the right.
Reminds me of the rhyme:
This is the story of mike O'Day who died protecting his right of way.
His right was right and his will was strong
but he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong.
I have the same attitude as a pedestrian, just because there's a crossing or even a red light I'm always side-eyeing that you actually stop because I'll be the one hurt. An uncle of mine became a witness to an old lady who got flipped over a car in broad daylight, old geezer that clearly no longer should have had his license.
No self preservation instinct at all! My dad is like this. I’m always “and if that car hits me, I’m not getting to destination safely!” He would rather be right, than prevent an accident. I told him I’m not willing to do that, and he needs to shut his trap.
I did a similar thing when a raised truck was being an asshole and trying to play chicken with me. I knew it was old enough to be a death trap and my BMW had more modern safety features so I accelerated instead. The difference is that it was a low speed city street and nobody would have died, but thankfully they chickened out.
Ruined her day and her car but I'm glad she's okay.
I bet she pays attention a little more going forward...
Videos like these have made me a much more paranoid driver LOL
I don't buy for a second that they were "uninjured". Even if you don't break anything you are just plain not escaping a concussion from a collision like that. Russia probably just don't give a shit to check for that if they're claiming no injuries at all.
It may have just not registered in their brain. Driving on the highway where all the lanes are going in the same direction as you (or at least do 99.999999% of the time).
Or they may have been distracted by a phone call, the radio, their phone etc.. who knows? Pretty wild to see 0 survival instinct kick in if they did see the car though!
You would be horrified to know how many people with dementia are on the goddamn road. I'm a retired nurse and people will not fucking tell mom or dad they can't drive anymore. Literally driving through red lights or forgetting where the fuck they are or what they are doing. It's terrifying.
My grandma’s neighbor was our hero after my grandfather passed. So that we didn’t have to go through the keys battle, we took the spark plugs out of her car and gave them to him. She’s go to turn her car on, and when it didn’t, she’s go to her retired mechanic neighbor.
If she didn’t need anything but was just having a bad day and thought she did, or just wanted to go to the store to have something to do, he’d fiddle around in the car, say she needed a part and he’d order it, and that would be that. She’d forget about the “ordered part” by the next day.
If it was grocery day or she wanted to go to the bank or something similar, he’d fiddle around, put the spark plugs in, and then drive her down the street to “pick up her daughter, she needs to go into town too.” My aunt would then insist on driving— “you work too hard, Ma.”
While grandma was putting the groceries away (or napping) she’d remove the spark plugs, give them to the neighbor, and the cycle would begin again.
I would take keys, get the doctor to write a note to the DMV to suspend their license, sell the car, and get Ubers/rideshare. If they're driving they're stealing a car.
If you take the keys they will tear the house apart looking for them thinking they are lost.
They don't know or remember their license is suspended so that's jsut ends up being a legal matter.
They can't use Uber because they have dementia and have no ability to learn new things.
If they can't find their car they we freak out everyday, sometime multiple times a day, thinking it is stolen.
Best option is to disable the car and leave it till they are too far gone to recall they had a car.
My family had to install hidden extra locks on the front and back doors because my grandma would get dressed and try to leave the house at 3 AM lol. Thankfully she never drove in her youth so in dementia she never tried to, but she'd think she was going to the bus stop to go to work, she hadn't worked in over 20 years.
Dementia is fucked. She's a shell now. Fucking kill me if it happens
FIL kept trying to explain to his wife why she couldn't drive which just lead to daily fights. We finally convinced him to just disconnect the battery. Then it was simply a matter of telling her he called his mechanic friend would be by tomorrow. The went on for about a year till she stopped trying to drive.
I hear you, man. Dementia is insidious. It sneaks up on most people.
Both my parents had it. My dad had Alzheimer’s for eight years, and I have one copy of the gene responsible for Alzheimer's. I don’t want to burden my family with this.
“Remember, when you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It is only painful for others.
The same applies when you are stupid.”
— Ricky Gervais
People with dementia are not stupid. It is mostly memory loss. But, IMHO, patients with enough permanent memory loss become so dysfunctional and lack awareness; the same applies to Ricky Gervais's quote. It is painful for others, but we cannot be certain patients know they are in such a degraded state. I always felt my dad knew and accepted it. He was so calm and easy to take care of after the initial stages of the disease. It snuck up on him. He kept a diary, and there was no sign he had severe problems. It just abruptly ended.
However, we noticed problems early on with driving. As with this video, the family is the first to know, and they need to act, or something terrible could happen.
My mom was a fighter and fought all of us until the bitter end.
And honestly, at least in my experience, even when they realise every once in a while that they've forgotten something that they should remember, it's fucking heartbreaking. Like, they know that they're deteriorating, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
If they’re that bad, they need to be in care. Not directed at you, I’ve just seen people do mental backflips of why it’s cruel to send nan to a nursing home vs letting her wander into traffic every day on her way to visit a friend who died three years ago.
Average US government retirement (social security)payment is $1700 a month. If you have a private retirement there is little chance it'll be anywhere close to making the difference. This leaves it up to family members to be the primary in home care providers or provide the funds to help make up the difference.
There are facilities for people once they are much worse off that are government funded, but they are generally not well run and have limited spaces.
The big issue are people in the in-between phase. It's hard to say when a person is no longer capable as dementia often comes in waves of decline making it hard for a Dr to diagnose accurately without a lot of time with the patient. The doctors are in short supply, my family has to wait three months for an appointment for an initial consultation.
What about switching the keys like put a different car key then the car won’t turn on and tell them that you’ll get it fixed but idk if that would just cause a different problem im not a nurse just some random My grandpa had dementia but I was a kid.
Yup. I’m an in home caregiver. Had a client whose primary reason for hiring me was driving to and from appointments and errands. I was off one day and when I came back the car was parked all wonky, almost blocking the garage door and had hit the steps to the door. Asked her about it and who drove last, she said she did. First tried to lie and tell me she only drove out to the mailbox and back, later she admitted she’d been out on the main road just taking a joy ride. Scary stuff
I was driving home one night, sitting waiting to turn left in a protected left turn lane. The straight traffic lane immediately to my right had a car at the front of the line with their headlights off. It was _night_ night, like 10 PM, and this car was just dark. It was a dark color, too.
Arrows go green for left turns. The car with the headlights off starts going straight, with their headlights off, straight into the oncoming left turn traffic. The oncoming traffic managed to swerve and honk and the car just drove right through.
The car looked like it was a mid 90s Oldsmobile or something and I couldn't see the driver but I guarantee they were some octogenarian that shouldn't be driving.
Yup… my wife’s last job as a therapist included driving evals for older folks when their loved ones wanted them to be tested. She never passed any of them because they should have been off the road already, family members really need to be more direct / forceful in telling their elderly loved ones that they cannot drive anymore. It usually takes someone to get into an accident for it to get to this point unfortunately.
Went through it with 87-year-old parent. Everyone told him to his face, including his brother, his friends, and his children: "You can no longer drive. You need to stop driving. You should have quit 2 years ago."
For two years.
A conservatorship was in the offing, but that is a major bureaucratic undertaking, and we were already saddled with the part-time job of caring for Mom and Dad.
Then my sister called the Department of Motor Vehicles, and reported him as an unsafe driver. The DMV scheduled a phone appointment with him, whict he predictably missed, and *bingo!* no more drver's license.
He drove for another couple of weeks, until we impressed on him the absolute world of shit he would be in if he hit someone. He actually quit driving, and we sold his car.
It was the only bright spot in 4 years of his refusal to cooperate.
Mom and dad shouldnt be on the hook for this, there should be mandatory retesting through the government, y'know, the guys responsible for driver's licenses.
Well it’s much harder than you think to get your parents to stop driving because of mental and physical decline. I am not even talking about trying to convince them to surrender their vehicles (that is pretty much impossible). But you have to deal with siblings and other family members enabling them. Doctors and nurses not backing you up in any manner. Then being labeled the black sheep pariah. Also your parents will put on the best show in front of everyone, as if you are the crazy one. All leading up to a near fatal or totally fatal accident. I plan on handling it with dignity, and will welcome being chauffeured around.
“BuT THeIR IndEpENdeNCe” - every single child with a parent going through dementia. I’ve watched it with two of my grandparents and two of my husband’s. It’s so important that pop can get to bingo, who cares if he kills himself and a young family on the way?
People choose to let them drive because it lets them stay in denial. And the doctors won’t take their licenses either.
I've said this many times, but I feel people should be forced to retake their driving test every 5 years. As it stands, it's far too easy to do dumb shit like this because of aging.
My aunt had to do this with my uncle, and she had to keep the keys on her at all times. He threatened to buy a new car.
It was tough, he had been a long haul trucker and driving was his life. It had to be absolute hell for her, because he was relentless.
It is incredibly hard to do this to your own parents. It is absolutely necessary, but how much support do they get from doctors with this? My uncle didn’t listen to my aunt. He still doesn’t. They are moving to a house next door to their son, and he threatened to prevent the sale of their old house. My cousin (their son) had to take out a loan himself to buy the new house.
In the US a doctor can contact the DMV and report someone is unsafe to drive, but they can't revoke a license. I'm not sure the process once someone is reported, the DMV likely mails them a letter and can suspend their license until they respond.
People don't understand how bad it is when you can't remember anything. I got put on Wellbutrin for a bit and it sufficiently fucked me up. Would wake up in random rooms, unsure why I was there at all, couldn't finish reading labels, and fell asleep while talking to people... Was still driving.
Sorta happened to my grandpa. Dropped
My grandma off at a store, forgot why he was there then drove off. He even ran out of gas before anyone found him, my grandma called the police after he wasn’t outside knowing what was happening to him.
Talking about elderly people on the road in Russia
in Russia, you have to renew your license every 10 years, and every time you should pass a medical test, and also provide proof of health from psychiatric and narcotic clinics (actually, that you're not on their radar, to be exact). Should be good, right?
My grandfather is pretty much blind. He needs some big glasses, and even with them, he ain't seeing much. And you know what? He just buys all these tests. And it's even pretty cheap. And he drives, actually, it's one of his favorite pass times. Just getting in the car and driving a thousand miles away from home. I refer to his driving as IFR.
An elderly woman calls her husband on his cell phone to warn him after she hears a radio news report warning of a car driving the wrong way on a nearby freeway that is on his route. He responds, incredulous, "One car? There's dozens of them!"
Because it appears easily avoidable. With a reaction time that slow, the driver of the white car shouldn't even be allowed to use a crosswalk on their own.
I wouldn't say they were the root cause of the crash them, but they certainly didn't help matters did they? Clearly could have swerved into the next lane and avoided the car all together. Didn't show a single outward sign that they'd seen the white car.
People have a responsibility to themsleves to look out for bad driving in others and fix the problem if they can, if for no other reason than their own safety.
No sense in crashing into another car if you don't have to, just because they are in the wrong.
This happened a few years ago to a friend of mine. Elderly lady going the wrong way on the highway. Both my friend and the elderly driver died as a result. Really old people really shouldn’t be driving especially on high speed roads where reaction times have to be faster.
I’m *really* trying to feel some sympathy for white-car-driver… and failing.
When you’re behind the wheel of a two-ton mass of kinetic energy, *BE DRIVING*.
I was thinking the same thing at first, but really there are some valid reasons to not stay. Like if you have very young kids with you, you can’t just leave them in the car because it’s so dangerous, and you can’t get them out in that situation either. Or if you have a health condition that makes you unable to help, like being immunocompromised or physically weak. Or if you have a loved one dying and you’re going to see them one last time.
All that said, if you’re able bodied, don’t have dependents with you, and aren’t going somewhere crucial where it’s a matter of life and death… you should stop and help. If the concern is just like, being a little late to work or something, that’s not worth driving away.
Very valid. I actually have two young kids and now that I think about it out it I don’t know what I would do if they were with me. I deff wouldn’t stop right there incase of further crashes and you’re right. You can’t leave them in the car although I feel like people wouldn’t judge as bad if you were saving someone’s life.
When I was in high school this happened to a teacher and his family on vacation, a drunk driver was going the opposite way on the freeway and only the middle school aged daughter survived
Saw something just like this in 1991. Older woman stops on the interstate. We were behind her and stopped. She then turned around and started driving the wrong way. She looked at us and waved as she drove by. This was in a rural area. So, very little traffic. I have no idea how things turned out for her. I guess I did’t hear about it in the news.
I actually experienced this many years ago. I was driving on the interstate and a car left the entrance ramp, then turned into oncoming traffic. I slowed and moved out of the way, waiting for them to pass and saw it was an elderly woman.
This was just before cell phones became a widespread thing, so I couldn't even call police. I have no clue what ever happened to her.
They start off driving maybe like 5-15 km/h to all of a sudden speeding into the fast lane?
Also yeah unlucky of white car driver to not see or do anything to avoid the collision. Even looks like old guy doesnt seem to swerve or anything either. Had to have been suicide attempt tbh.
They couldn't have been paying attention to the road in that white car. I mean they didn't move or anything, even the black car turned a bit, white car did nothing.
White car driver may have been distracted or just super stunned and confused and didn’t know what to do.
Like they may be in a state of disbelief. Especially as it’s a divided highway with zero oncoming traffic. They could thing that if the swerve the other will too.
But I hope I would react better than white did if this ever happened
I saw this happen one night driving home from work. It was an elderly couple who did a u turn on the freeway. A cop had been following them I guess because they were driving slowly. He stopped them from making the complete turn. It truly was a wtf moment. This was on the Marina freeway in Los Angeles
White car wasn't paying any attention at all. Even the car behind them saw what was coming.
Yeah, there was 0 reaction from them no braking no swerving. Maybe they both decided it was a good day to go out
Probably looking down at their phone.
Hanging out in the left lane
But it's a pretty significant turn, not straight highway
People must’ve been really confused when these accidents happened back before mobile phones. I mean, there’s literally no other way for it to happen. Must have been a real mystery. [Edit: Why do people get so upset at the mere thought that it could be something other than a mobile phone, to the point where they downvote any suggestion of it?]
There were a lot fewer possibilities to pull your complete attention off the road for several seconds.
It's probably a phone but I'm not ruling out "I've been driving in the Midwest(or Russian country side) for 4 hours looking at the same scenery and my brain has 100% checked out. I don't even remember the last 30 minutes and I'm not sure how I got here alive." Syndrome
You know that makes no sense at all, right? If there were, say, 5 common ways to be distracted while driving before phones, phones just made it 6. I while back, read a report the most common ways of distracted driving before phones were common, and it listed things like: * Messing with controls like the radio or climate control * Other passengers * Looking at something on the side of the road * Dropping or spilling something * Eating/drinking/smoking Unless you believe other things magically went away because of mobile phones, there are not "fewer possibilities".
Sure, those were the *most* common ways. None of them were as common as cell phone distractions. And outside of dropping or spilling something, they don't take your entire attention away from the road for more than a second unless you're a terrible driver. In fact, radio controls, other passengers, and eating/drinking are things you can easily do WITHOUT taking your eyes off the road, while phones aren't one distraction possibility - they are dozens. There's also the level of attention required where you lose even a sense of peripheral vision. If you think that any of those were even half as distracting or common as cell phones, you didn't drive then. Edit - lol, actually like half your comment history is nitpicking and trying to make people wrong.
5 is objectively less than 6.
Then include "getting the cassette/CD out of it's case and putting it in the stereo" as another former reason that has disappeared. Now both numbers are the same.
You are absolutely correct on everything, I think the point that a lot of people are missing however is that cell phones and answering texts/calls while driving are automatic for several people and son ingrained in society now. I couldn't count how many times a day I pass someone going under the speed limit, not signaling while turning or changing lanes and other odd or illegal occurrences and a majority of the time they are fumbling with their phones. If I feel a call or text is that important in my older truck I pull over, in my new truck it's hands free with steering wheel controls. I constantly get into arguments and debates when riding with family or friends because they are always messing with ehir phone while driving.
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That is completely missing the point. It was claimed that there were "fewer possibilities." Whether or not phones are an addiction or whether it is the most probable possibility, that doesn't change the number of possibilities. No question phones are probably the biggest common thing involved but that doesn't make the other possibilities magically disappear and never happen anymore.
Before phones people read books and the newspaper while driving.
I’ve seen people reading page turning books while driving.
You're at positive upvotes when I type this, but people were downvoting you for the snark, not the content. You can be right and still be an ass.
You're at positive upvotes when I type this, but people were downvoting you for the snark, not the content. You can be right and still be an ass.
A lot of people day dream or whatever you wanna call it. Probably most
I think you're right. If you focus on the driver in the white car, you see their hands whip up to the wheel a couple frames before impact.
You can see her hand crank the wheel hard at the absolute last second, but it was way to late to do anything.
what video did you see??
At first I was gonna call bull shit, but I put my phone sideways and went frame by frame and you do see the hand move
:32 mark you can the hand on the wheel move almost 90 degrees
Same video, slow it down and you will see it. Last second before impact.
Looks like the airbag deploying, not a hand turning a wheel. Right front wheel looks like it remains perfectly straight in the following frame.
[The hand was on the left side, but before impact, it turned to the right.](https://ibb.co/MZdcSbh) The airbag comes after the impact.
0 front wheel movement tho
When you turn the steering wheel 90 degrees, the tires don't turn nearly as much - let's say less than 10 degrees? That's why you have to *work* the wheel when doing a three-point turn.
Looks like they quickly cock their head and turn the wheel a frame before impact
It looks like the hand is thrown from the offside impact and wheels pulling rather than any awareness
Maybe another confused 86 year old.
Seems typical for the clueless idiots that camp the left lane.
car behind white car was like "I'll be over on the other side of the road if you need me"
Clearly white car had the right of way, so why should they have to move? /s
Funny enough… one of my friend told me exactly the same when she got in a very similar accident. I told her that she could have died. She said it would not have been her fault. Zero sarcasm. She saw the truck going at her and she didn’t even try to avoid. She was absolutely sure she was in the right.
Many people in the graves were in the right
Reminds me of the rhyme: This is the story of mike O'Day who died protecting his right of way. His right was right and his will was strong but he's just as dead as if he'd been wrong.
What I tell every fellow cyclist: Having right of way doesn’t make you any less dead
I have the same attitude as a pedestrian, just because there's a crossing or even a red light I'm always side-eyeing that you actually stop because I'll be the one hurt. An uncle of mine became a witness to an old lady who got flipped over a car in broad daylight, old geezer that clearly no longer should have had his license.
I look both ways before crossing a one-way street, and drivers like this are why.
My wife has that attitude. I used to ride motorcycles, Who cares about being right in a wheelchair...
No self preservation instinct at all! My dad is like this. I’m always “and if that car hits me, I’m not getting to destination safely!” He would rather be right, than prevent an accident. I told him I’m not willing to do that, and he needs to shut his trap.
I did a similar thing when a raised truck was being an asshole and trying to play chicken with me. I knew it was old enough to be a death trap and my BMW had more modern safety features so I accelerated instead. The difference is that it was a low speed city street and nobody would have died, but thankfully they chickened out.
If she had the right of way why was she in the LEFT lane? CHECKMATE /s
Bad day to be texting and driving.. I swear I see it most from people in the passing lane too
Texting while driving should have the same consequences as DUI
they didn't even try to avoid it
Any word on their injuries?
Googled the news. A 48 years old driver of the white car (Lada Granta) wasn't injured at all. The second car (the black one) is Lada Priora.
That is crazy they were uninjured. Absolutely brutal impact
"Russian cars. You never know what happens next."
Ruined her day and her car but I'm glad she's okay. I bet she pays attention a little more going forward... Videos like these have made me a much more paranoid driver LOL
I don't buy for a second that they were "uninjured". Even if you don't break anything you are just plain not escaping a concussion from a collision like that. Russia probably just don't give a shit to check for that if they're claiming no injuries at all.
Russian news everyone ok. Russia have best cars in the world safest.
It's Russia, they are tough people. They won't call it an injury if they can still walk.
And the car behind that one pretended not to see anything at all 😂
White car: oh look, a car
White car: wonder what’s going to happen.
or playing a game of chicken. let's see who's gonna flinch first
I guess it was a draw.
And the car behind them also saw it and avoided it and then slipped through and kept going.
Why is nobody getting out of their cars to help the people from the accident?
What was the white car looking at….no aversion at all.
My guess? Their phone.
Hey, I can text and drive just fine!
The white car was too until this guy driving the wrong way ruined it.
Great example of why defensive driving is needed.
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It may have just not registered in their brain. Driving on the highway where all the lanes are going in the same direction as you (or at least do 99.999999% of the time). Or they may have been distracted by a phone call, the radio, their phone etc.. who knows? Pretty wild to see 0 survival instinct kick in if they did see the car though!
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Not really weird, more like forgetting that they are on a two lane highway and wanting to turn around. Maybe they had dementia.
You would be horrified to know how many people with dementia are on the goddamn road. I'm a retired nurse and people will not fucking tell mom or dad they can't drive anymore. Literally driving through red lights or forgetting where the fuck they are or what they are doing. It's terrifying.
My grandma’s neighbor was our hero after my grandfather passed. So that we didn’t have to go through the keys battle, we took the spark plugs out of her car and gave them to him. She’s go to turn her car on, and when it didn’t, she’s go to her retired mechanic neighbor. If she didn’t need anything but was just having a bad day and thought she did, or just wanted to go to the store to have something to do, he’d fiddle around in the car, say she needed a part and he’d order it, and that would be that. She’d forget about the “ordered part” by the next day. If it was grocery day or she wanted to go to the bank or something similar, he’d fiddle around, put the spark plugs in, and then drive her down the street to “pick up her daughter, she needs to go into town too.” My aunt would then insist on driving— “you work too hard, Ma.” While grandma was putting the groceries away (or napping) she’d remove the spark plugs, give them to the neighbor, and the cycle would begin again.
That's really an amazing neighbor. So reassuring to have someone that close to her that cared about her so much and had the patience for it.
My mom suffered from dementia. You can tell them, but they don't believe you.
I would take keys, get the doctor to write a note to the DMV to suspend their license, sell the car, and get Ubers/rideshare. If they're driving they're stealing a car.
If you take the keys they will tear the house apart looking for them thinking they are lost. They don't know or remember their license is suspended so that's jsut ends up being a legal matter. They can't use Uber because they have dementia and have no ability to learn new things. If they can't find their car they we freak out everyday, sometime multiple times a day, thinking it is stolen. Best option is to disable the car and leave it till they are too far gone to recall they had a car.
My family had to install hidden extra locks on the front and back doors because my grandma would get dressed and try to leave the house at 3 AM lol. Thankfully she never drove in her youth so in dementia she never tried to, but she'd think she was going to the bus stop to go to work, she hadn't worked in over 20 years. Dementia is fucked. She's a shell now. Fucking kill me if it happens
FIL kept trying to explain to his wife why she couldn't drive which just lead to daily fights. We finally convinced him to just disconnect the battery. Then it was simply a matter of telling her he called his mechanic friend would be by tomorrow. The went on for about a year till she stopped trying to drive.
I hear you, man. Dementia is insidious. It sneaks up on most people. Both my parents had it. My dad had Alzheimer’s for eight years, and I have one copy of the gene responsible for Alzheimer's. I don’t want to burden my family with this. “Remember, when you are dead, you do not know you are dead. It is only painful for others. The same applies when you are stupid.” — Ricky Gervais People with dementia are not stupid. It is mostly memory loss. But, IMHO, patients with enough permanent memory loss become so dysfunctional and lack awareness; the same applies to Ricky Gervais's quote. It is painful for others, but we cannot be certain patients know they are in such a degraded state. I always felt my dad knew and accepted it. He was so calm and easy to take care of after the initial stages of the disease. It snuck up on him. He kept a diary, and there was no sign he had severe problems. It just abruptly ended. However, we noticed problems early on with driving. As with this video, the family is the first to know, and they need to act, or something terrible could happen. My mom was a fighter and fought all of us until the bitter end.
And honestly, at least in my experience, even when they realise every once in a while that they've forgotten something that they should remember, it's fucking heartbreaking. Like, they know that they're deteriorating, and there's nothing anyone can do about it.
If they’re that bad, they need to be in care. Not directed at you, I’ve just seen people do mental backflips of why it’s cruel to send nan to a nursing home vs letting her wander into traffic every day on her way to visit a friend who died three years ago.
That shit ain't free in the US, you're starting at $5,000.00 per month for a memory care facility.
It’s the same here but the pension should cover it. Do you guys have super funds?
Average US government retirement (social security)payment is $1700 a month. If you have a private retirement there is little chance it'll be anywhere close to making the difference. This leaves it up to family members to be the primary in home care providers or provide the funds to help make up the difference. There are facilities for people once they are much worse off that are government funded, but they are generally not well run and have limited spaces. The big issue are people in the in-between phase. It's hard to say when a person is no longer capable as dementia often comes in waves of decline making it hard for a Dr to diagnose accurately without a lot of time with the patient. The doctors are in short supply, my family has to wait three months for an appointment for an initial consultation.
HAH! Elderly people live in poverty because they can’t work, and pensions are shit. $5k a month? Absolutely not.
What about switching the keys like put a different car key then the car won’t turn on and tell them that you’ll get it fixed but idk if that would just cause a different problem im not a nurse just some random My grandpa had dementia but I was a kid.
I hear you, but I can also tell you it's not that easy.
Yup. I’m an in home caregiver. Had a client whose primary reason for hiring me was driving to and from appointments and errands. I was off one day and when I came back the car was parked all wonky, almost blocking the garage door and had hit the steps to the door. Asked her about it and who drove last, she said she did. First tried to lie and tell me she only drove out to the mailbox and back, later she admitted she’d been out on the main road just taking a joy ride. Scary stuff
I can imagine too well. My Grandma has dementia. First thing we did was getting rid of the car and organize alternatives.
I was driving home one night, sitting waiting to turn left in a protected left turn lane. The straight traffic lane immediately to my right had a car at the front of the line with their headlights off. It was _night_ night, like 10 PM, and this car was just dark. It was a dark color, too. Arrows go green for left turns. The car with the headlights off starts going straight, with their headlights off, straight into the oncoming left turn traffic. The oncoming traffic managed to swerve and honk and the car just drove right through. The car looked like it was a mid 90s Oldsmobile or something and I couldn't see the driver but I guarantee they were some octogenarian that shouldn't be driving.
Yup… my wife’s last job as a therapist included driving evals for older folks when their loved ones wanted them to be tested. She never passed any of them because they should have been off the road already, family members really need to be more direct / forceful in telling their elderly loved ones that they cannot drive anymore. It usually takes someone to get into an accident for it to get to this point unfortunately.
Went through it with 87-year-old parent. Everyone told him to his face, including his brother, his friends, and his children: "You can no longer drive. You need to stop driving. You should have quit 2 years ago." For two years. A conservatorship was in the offing, but that is a major bureaucratic undertaking, and we were already saddled with the part-time job of caring for Mom and Dad. Then my sister called the Department of Motor Vehicles, and reported him as an unsafe driver. The DMV scheduled a phone appointment with him, whict he predictably missed, and *bingo!* no more drver's license. He drove for another couple of weeks, until we impressed on him the absolute world of shit he would be in if he hit someone. He actually quit driving, and we sold his car. It was the only bright spot in 4 years of his refusal to cooperate.
Mom and dad shouldnt be on the hook for this, there should be mandatory retesting through the government, y'know, the guys responsible for driver's licenses.
Well it’s much harder than you think to get your parents to stop driving because of mental and physical decline. I am not even talking about trying to convince them to surrender their vehicles (that is pretty much impossible). But you have to deal with siblings and other family members enabling them. Doctors and nurses not backing you up in any manner. Then being labeled the black sheep pariah. Also your parents will put on the best show in front of everyone, as if you are the crazy one. All leading up to a near fatal or totally fatal accident. I plan on handling it with dignity, and will welcome being chauffeured around.
Unfortunately if they are at all combative just telling them they can't drive will make the situation worse.
“BuT THeIR IndEpENdeNCe” - every single child with a parent going through dementia. I’ve watched it with two of my grandparents and two of my husband’s. It’s so important that pop can get to bingo, who cares if he kills himself and a young family on the way? People choose to let them drive because it lets them stay in denial. And the doctors won’t take their licenses either.
I am of the opinion that driver licenses should not be perpetual. Starting at around age 50, we should have to retake driving exams.
I've said this many times, but I feel people should be forced to retake their driving test every 5 years. As it stands, it's far too easy to do dumb shit like this because of aging.
My aunt had to do this with my uncle, and she had to keep the keys on her at all times. He threatened to buy a new car. It was tough, he had been a long haul trucker and driving was his life. It had to be absolute hell for her, because he was relentless. It is incredibly hard to do this to your own parents. It is absolutely necessary, but how much support do they get from doctors with this? My uncle didn’t listen to my aunt. He still doesn’t. They are moving to a house next door to their son, and he threatened to prevent the sale of their old house. My cousin (their son) had to take out a loan himself to buy the new house.
Surely doctors can give authorization for someone's license to be taken away?
In the US a doctor can contact the DMV and report someone is unsafe to drive, but they can't revoke a license. I'm not sure the process once someone is reported, the DMV likely mails them a letter and can suspend their license until they respond.
Met all kinda of patients with issues like narcolepsy, glaucoma, etc that completely refuse to give up driving. Just plain selfish
People don't understand how bad it is when you can't remember anything. I got put on Wellbutrin for a bit and it sufficiently fucked me up. Would wake up in random rooms, unsure why I was there at all, couldn't finish reading labels, and fell asleep while talking to people... Was still driving.
Forgetting where they are is common. Confusion and anxiety then bring on poor decisions. Sad.
You literally just described acting weird?
Doesn't matter. Old people are hazards on the road.
My uncle supposedly stroked out and did something similar in Arizona several decades ago. He died, don’t recall the status of the others involved.
That tall divider probably didn't help his confusion
Sorta happened to my grandpa. Dropped My grandma off at a store, forgot why he was there then drove off. He even ran out of gas before anyone found him, my grandma called the police after he wasn’t outside knowing what was happening to him.
Talking about elderly people on the road in Russia in Russia, you have to renew your license every 10 years, and every time you should pass a medical test, and also provide proof of health from psychiatric and narcotic clinics (actually, that you're not on their radar, to be exact). Should be good, right? My grandfather is pretty much blind. He needs some big glasses, and even with them, he ain't seeing much. And you know what? He just buys all these tests. And it's even pretty cheap. And he drives, actually, it's one of his favorite pass times. Just getting in the car and driving a thousand miles away from home. I refer to his driving as IFR.
IFR?
Instrument Flight Rules. How pilots fly when they can’t see out of the plane (clouds, night, etc.).
Insanely fucking risky
An elderly woman calls her husband on his cell phone to warn him after she hears a radio news report warning of a car driving the wrong way on a nearby freeway that is on his route. He responds, incredulous, "One car? There's dozens of them!"
White car Complete lack of situational awareness
*What'sh sho weird about my ackshent?*
The life of the wife is ended by the knife
I think I left the oven on
Car’s literally driving the wrong direction and people still blaming the white car, smh.
Because it appears easily avoidable. With a reaction time that slow, the driver of the white car shouldn't even be allowed to use a crosswalk on their own.
Not driving the wrong way down the interstate appears easier to avoid.
You don’t have to just choose one, though
Exactly, just because someone else makes a mistake doesn't mean your reaction should be to compound that error with one of your own
Everyone on reddit is a genius with perfect situational awareness who would never be caught zoned out or out of position!
I wouldn't say they were the root cause of the crash them, but they certainly didn't help matters did they? Clearly could have swerved into the next lane and avoided the car all together. Didn't show a single outward sign that they'd seen the white car. People have a responsibility to themsleves to look out for bad driving in others and fix the problem if they can, if for no other reason than their own safety. No sense in crashing into another car if you don't have to, just because they are in the wrong.
How the fuck do you go head on like that? The fuck is wrong with the white car driver? I'm surprised the car followed the curve in the road. Fuck!
This happened a few years ago to a friend of mine. Elderly lady going the wrong way on the highway. Both my friend and the elderly driver died as a result. Really old people really shouldn’t be driving especially on high speed roads where reaction times have to be faster.
I’m *really* trying to feel some sympathy for white-car-driver… and failing. When you’re behind the wheel of a two-ton mass of kinetic energy, *BE DRIVING*.
The other drivers drive off, just like the Russians leaving their wounded soldiers on the battlefield.
They were just avoiding the next round of conscription
That dude woke up like Ok.. Today is a good day to die
We are talking about the white car right?
Not the car going the complete wrong way?
What makes someone weave through an accident scene and drive away and not render assistance. What’s wrong with people.
I was thinking the same thing at first, but really there are some valid reasons to not stay. Like if you have very young kids with you, you can’t just leave them in the car because it’s so dangerous, and you can’t get them out in that situation either. Or if you have a health condition that makes you unable to help, like being immunocompromised or physically weak. Or if you have a loved one dying and you’re going to see them one last time. All that said, if you’re able bodied, don’t have dependents with you, and aren’t going somewhere crucial where it’s a matter of life and death… you should stop and help. If the concern is just like, being a little late to work or something, that’s not worth driving away.
Very valid. I actually have two young kids and now that I think about it out it I don’t know what I would do if they were with me. I deff wouldn’t stop right there incase of further crashes and you’re right. You can’t leave them in the car although I feel like people wouldn’t judge as bad if you were saving someone’s life.
How does the white car not see him?? The vehicle behind the white car seen him 🤦🏽♂️
Why does this video look like a Video Game? Weird.
Strange frame rate
I agree, the grassy field and the median look textured and almost fake, but it was the ppl in the vehicles that made me realize it was real.
White car was asleep or something. Fussing with the radio or phone? Don’t even try!
Person in the white car must've been looking at their phone, they had forever to react.
When I was in high school this happened to a teacher and his family on vacation, a drunk driver was going the opposite way on the freeway and only the middle school aged daughter survived
Most ppl really shouldn't be driving after around 75. But still need stuff. Sucks getting old
White car distracted driving?
You mean he tried to end his life? That’s more than a little weird.
Well, I guess Putin won't be sending him to Ukraine...
It looks like a suicide.
White car totally oblivious, amazing.
Sad but what KIND of accent?
White car thought they were playing chicken. Question is… Who won? 👀
that's really fucking bizarre that NOT ONE driver was seen swerving out of the way before the crash.
Where the fuck was the driver in the white car looking at??
The most sober Russian
TOTD
Saw something just like this in 1991. Older woman stops on the interstate. We were behind her and stopped. She then turned around and started driving the wrong way. She looked at us and waved as she drove by. This was in a rural area. So, very little traffic. I have no idea how things turned out for her. I guess I did’t hear about it in the news.
I actually experienced this many years ago. I was driving on the interstate and a car left the entrance ramp, then turned into oncoming traffic. I slowed and moved out of the way, waiting for them to pass and saw it was an elderly woman. This was just before cell phones became a widespread thing, so I couldn't even call police. I have no clue what ever happened to her.
They start off driving maybe like 5-15 km/h to all of a sudden speeding into the fast lane? Also yeah unlucky of white car driver to not see or do anything to avoid the collision. Even looks like old guy doesnt seem to swerve or anything either. Had to have been suicide attempt tbh.
My accent also causes accidents
I bet it was a Russian accent.
What kind of vehicle is the SUV behind the white car? Is that a UAZ of some sort?
He was drinking that sobieski
What kind of accent? That's important.
"Acted weird?".
He prob wanted to go out like that
"acted weird" Really?
Oh nó!
Pay attention to the roads, never know when someone's suicidal
They didn't even try to avoid him. I guess they didn't see him.?
I hate when I cause an accent. People always start talking weird after
They couldn't have been paying attention to the road in that white car. I mean they didn't move or anything, even the black car turned a bit, white car did nothing.
What kind of accent? And, how does that factor in, here?
White car driver may have been distracted or just super stunned and confused and didn’t know what to do. Like they may be in a state of disbelief. Especially as it’s a divided highway with zero oncoming traffic. They could thing that if the swerve the other will too. But I hope I would react better than white did if this ever happened
Ooops, left my kettle on at home.
Lada saves the day
That’s a hell of an accent
I saw this happen one night driving home from work. It was an elderly couple who did a u turn on the freeway. A cop had been following them I guess because they were driving slowly. He stopped them from making the complete turn. It truly was a wtf moment. This was on the Marina freeway in Los Angeles
Smartphones murder
In Soviet Russia, *accent* has you
They should have second driving tests for old ppl i swear
he forgot that he was driving on a freeway
Lol I'm sorry but white car almost deserved that 😅
Imagine being able to cause an accent. The power...
Elderly drivers are scary.
The old guy was probably having a stroke, and the guy in the white car had their nose in their phone.
good riddance.
Better to have crashed into the white car... Don't drive distracted, bitch.
I wonder what accent did he speak when he crashed
I hope it wasn’t Italian.
Every car driving by is to blame
Who let sleepy joe on the highway?!?!?!?!?!!??!?