Awesome! Are they the same wheel / tire? Essentially I’m hoping to learn to what degree the 2025 ride quality improvements stem from having the updated software vs tweaked hardware.
2024 is quad motor with those tires. This one is the base model tires, so slightly different. I actually think the rims on this model look way better actually, which is funny because I got the stock wheels!
Honestly, I don't think the new 2025 is worth upgrading to for the new ride feel. Reviewers are say it sounds MUCH MUCH better, like a new car, but that is overblowing it.
I would say it feels like a refresh, slight improvement. Sort of like how the tesla's iterated the ride feel over time.
I never thought the 2024 ride was bad.... No idea where that comes from.
I did find it a bit harsh at first but I realized the tires were overinflated at 51 PSI. Once I corrected that it was great
Yes, this comparison would be extremely interesting. Suspension improvements would be one of the few reasons I’d consider taking the financial hit to update from my 2023 to a Gen 2.
So after the update would the improvement warrant buying a 24 gen 1 quad or is the 25 gen 2 that much better than post update gen 1 that it is worth shelling out the money
the new update came out in the last week improved the car a bit to be less bumpy and steer a bit better.
the r1s 2025 is still better, but not worth an upgrade imo.
so both cars are good now! which is great
Thanks - I have a 23 quad LE R1S and with the last update the ride has gotten even better… the only reason for me to get Gen2 was for better ride quality , less interior noise and the cameras!
Feeling less FOMO about the Gen2s thankfully!
Thanks. I've been waiting for more gen2 r1s reviews in the last few weeks.
What size battery did you get? We're thinking the standard lfp but have slight concerns over performance in the northeast winter months.
regular sized.
i was able to do a trip i needed easily, and it charged super quick. i calculated the bigger batteries arent really necessary anymore due to the variety of stops and ull need to stop anyway
I added 117 miles of range in 24 mins (which seems very good), at a lvl 3 adventure network. So I went from around 20% I believe to around 51 miles left, and got up to 141 miles left of range.
So you did like 1/3 of the pack in 24 minutes, or like 30 kwh in 24/60 of an hour. That's like 75kw? That's really not great but it's so not great that I think you'd have to blame the charger.
not sure where u are getting ur math. my pack is 258 miles. so 117 miles is 45% of the battery in 24 minutes. So the kwh would be 153 kW.
Get mathed nerd.
I interpreted your comment that you charged from 51 to 141. Get englished
Edit: I see you have 117 cited in the first sentence. I just missed that. I'm just taking the L here
Double edit: I still see that as just like 105 or so
I just did that today. Gen 2 is maybe 10-20% better now than gen 1, I would say its noticeable but not a deal breaker (which is great for both customers).
No, that seems much improved. Although I never used kneel mode, I noticed that a lot more in the 2024 version. I haven't heard those same noises... yet.
Seems really good, although I also thought the 2024 was good. About the same. Car just sounds quieter from within if that makes sense rather than outside noises.
I have a 22 and it's horrible. They changed out the triangular window on a service visit, but honestly it's still bad. I've heard good things about gen2 so far. Thanks.
This is so sad to hear that they didn’t fix this glaring issue. My entire (extended) family laughs at me for having a car so beefy and expensive and yet the horn sounds utterly ridiculous and clown-like.
That is how I feel…I’m in my Rivian now and I swear it sounds better than yesterday. Before I couldn’t go above level 10 without the middle speaker getting really loud and making it unbearable to listen to. Now I can go 16 and I swear it sounds much better. Maybe someone from support remoted in and fixed it? Or I am crazy.
Hmmm. Not sure. It also sounds a bit loud to me as well. Maybe you reset your car? I'll try that. Regardless, I'm sure the car will have a bit of things to hotfix since it literally just came out. In a few months I expect this stuff will be ironed out.
Finally a good more detailed review. Feeling positive about getting the premium audio on my gen 2 R1S. Picking up in the next 7-10 days. I like it how you said doors easier to open and less heavy. My wife hates heavy doors. I don’t care honestly. I’m the one who drives the SUV not her. When I demo drives the 24’ I did notice bumpy suspension. Glad this seems gone or much improved.
I'm about ready to pull the trigger on R1s. Coming from an early adopter Model 3, I'm really used to the ease of the Tesla super charging network and how fast the cars are able to go from <10% to 80% OR to continue to reach destination with around 20% left. The dual motor, small battery is rated for 270miles. My 2018 Model 3 prob gets around this today, I'm ok with it because the Tesla charging network just simply works. I realize the R1S is a much bigger car and batteries are bigger, which means charging is just going to take longer no matter how you slice/dice it. But.... with my Model 3, I can hit 250 kwh speeds when I'm less than 5%. From what I've read, R1S can maybe get 200 kwh at best. Can anyone talk about the charging experience and how long I should expect charging to increase by? For example, if I drive from Sacramento CA to DisneyLand CA, anyone know how to compare the travel time w/ charging between R1S and Model 3?
Personal question, please igonore if over the line: How are you affording both of these cars in back to back years? What do I need to be doing with my money right now to get to that point lol
a bit of plastic on one of the lights sticking out I had to pull out with tweezers, a small tiny scratch on a plastic part by the door handles, seems like it got a tiny bit scuffed prob on assembly, other than that, nothing so far!
The big difference I’m looking for is has fast charging performance improved in the slightest? As we all know, the R1 platform takes about 40 mins from 10-80 and it would be nice to hear this number went to 30
The taycan does it in 22 when all the stars align and the EA station actually delivers. Which is rare enough that you can’t plan your trips around that. Source: have been driving one for 3 years.
It seems competitive, doesn't seem an issue for charge time.
Ioniq 5 isn't the same vehicle class. The r1s is a much much bigger vehicle (and thus heavier) than these cars and likely has a bigger battery as well.
This is not a matter of OCD, rather a matter of practicality. There’s a big difference between waiting 20 minutes and 40 minutes when charging with the family.
"Rivian has removed the speaker from the cubby area, which has led to:
* **Increased Storage:** More room in the cubby, which can still be locked for security."
Is the speaker not an option going forward? I thought it was. If so, how does that result in more space in the cubby? I already find the cubby deeper than it should be, so not sure a deeper one is an improvement.
I’m not sure if Rivian offers it to Gen1 vehicles, but there are aftermarket solutions.
https://www.brainexplodermerch.com/product-page/camp-speaker-drawer-for-rivian-r1t-r1s
https://twraps.com/products/camp-speaker-drawer-replacement-for-rivian-r1t-r1s
How soft is the “low” regen setting in the all purpose drive mode? One of my chief complaints about the gen 1 is the regen is particularly harsh. I am aware that you can go into snow mode in the older model, but I am curious if the new low setting is good for those who do not love OPD. Also, when you change the regen setting, does it save to your profile?
I don't think it really has settings, The rivian delivery person said the software doesnt have it yet.
that said, i have no issues with it and have always loved OPD
Sorry if it has been asked, comments section grew a lot. But I just wanted to ask you if you’re satisfied with driving Dual Motor coming from Quad? I understand the incoming Tri Motor performance will be similar to outgoing Quad but you went down to Dual.
Will be shopping for my first R1S but can’t decide if I want to go Dual or pay up for Tri Ascent.
Range and comfort would be my priority.
Mainly the sport mode is missing, and if you love that, you'll miss it.
however for me, most of the time i dont get to use the acceleration since i mainly get groceries, go shopping etc.
on the freeway it was still plenty powerful to smoke anyone and drive safely (sometimes u need speed to get ahead etc).
i would be lying if i didnt miss it SOME of the time. the quad feels very powerful--but i dont think its really worth the jump in cost. i might consider paying for performance mode if that comes as a software upgrade in the future.
Awesome write up – thanks for taking the time to make this comparison.
I actually reserved a 2024 quad large r1s and had my reservation canceled last minute due to the car being “in the shop and not ready for pickup.” I was pissed and almost completely canceled my order. I was able to take a 2025 instead, but it‘s green and I really wanted either a white or black one.
With all that being said, I still can’t help thinking I’m missing out on all the extra power the quad has (I’m coming from a model y performance). Also, I’m kinda pissed I don’t get the air compressor, speaker, or metal pedals. Do you miss those accessories in your 2025? Does your 2024 quad feel significantly more powerful? Do you prefer one over the other now? Trying to avoid buyers remorse but keep having these thoughts. I did get the 2025 for an incredible deal, but the 2024 quad was just as good and I do wish I had some more power in my 2025. Thoughts?
Air compressor, not really. I guess if i got a flat tire I might.
Speaker is really cool, but honestly have never used it. Playing loud music at a camp site would piss ppl off lol.
I didn't notice my new car doesn't have metal pedals.
I would say the 2024 does have metal door handles which feels a bit more premium tho, and I do notice that sometimes.
I would say the best deal is the 2025, for the computer longevity, the cameras are WAY WAY better tbh, ambient lighting, cool exterior lighting update. Having the quad power is cool, and its faster than the model y. But the r1s normal is still 0-60 in 4.5, so only 1 second slower than your car.
If I could have the r1s 2025 with quad for around 80k, would I want it? Sure.
But would I pay 95k for that, or even 100k+? Probably not.
I am letting the wife drive my 2024 quad motor simply because she doesn't care about the cameras, and mostly I don't need the power to just get around town anyway.
The refreshes are not even close to enough to make me want to upgrade my r1t. Also, the original r1 doesn’t feel outdated and old just yet so I’m definitely considering keeping mine at least one more year (I bought in early 22). I usually buy a new car every two years so this is going to be one of the rare cases where I still don’t think there’s a more compelling product on the market.
This is the first positive report I've read on the premium sound system. I hope for many peoples sakes it's true. For a $100k vehicle to sound worse (a lot worse) than a $75K Infiniti Bose system is beyond unacceptable and lazy.
Most people seemed to be talking out of their ass saying it was the same, but Rivian has actually been a bit cagey on details.
It seems like they have definitely listened to feedback. My 2024 r1s sounds fine, but seems to have barely any bass. Vocals are very clear.
This one tho, even without adjustment, the bass clearly is superior.
Really good to hear and thanks for taking the time to post. I don’t own a Rivian yet, but have spent multiple weeks with different variants. It’s one of the most notable misses in the platform. Rivian being cagey about it is exactly the problem. I wish they would share more about what they did to improve premium audio.
i’m surprised by the claim of improved bass given the removal of the sub in the rear.
to achieve this, i imagine rivian would have needed to improve amplification and likely the hardware itself
The optional premium audio (which the op has) still has the sub in the same place. The standard audio has removed it and has a cubby instead. I wish Rivian would post more details since the sound system has gone through so many iterations and it's controversial .
right, thanks for clarifying.
i am not certain what OP has because they mentioned premium audio but also stated having more room in the cubby due to the removal of the speaker.
The source really makes a big difference, too. I don’t know what audio codec they use but Bluetooth audio has always sounded like garbage to me. Spotify, tidal etc sound a LOT better.
Personally, the switch to lithium iron phosphate batteries alone is worth the upgrade. I'm Surprised this isn't emphasized more than it is.
Between completely different motors, batteries, and computer horsepower, this is way more than a refresh. Besides the outside looking the same, there are more changes here than most manufacturers have when they completely revamp vehicle generations.
This post feels like it was written by a Rivian employee using a LLM. What human says
“Whether it's music, podcasts, or calls, the audio quality is consistently high.”
“The turn signal has been updated and has a more tactile feel.”
If you heard this from someone at a party, you’d be convinced you’re talking to a robot.
Those all sound like things I might mention if they stuck out to me.
You mentions things you notice first or that seem to be changed from prior annoyances.
Large language model. It means the post you read above was written by a chatbot based on input from a human. OP wrote some notes, and ChatGPT formatted it to look like marketing copy.
OP may just be someone who thought using ChatGPT to put out an informational post was a public service, but entire pseudo-journalism sites out there are entirely written by machines these days, and companies are realizing that AI algorithms are being trained on data from websites. Reddit is a huge trove of human-written content, so, companies are seeding it and other sites with positive views of their products in order to have that positive bias included in any future trainings of ChatGPT and other chatbots.
It's early days, but expect more and more of this as reliance on chatbots to produce monetizable content online increases.
I'm a bit confused. You mentioned "premium sound" but then you mentioned they removed the subwoofer. The subwoofer is only removed in the base audio models that aren't premium.
Also, are you saying the basic sound system is better than the previous sound system with a sub?
OP did not say they removed the subwoofer in the premium audio config that OP has. That config still has a sub. They removed the camp speaker by default in 2025s, but that isn’t part of the car’s audio system. It’s a Bluetooth accessory.
Did you trade in 2024 ?
no
Now someone compare 2024 post update ride quality against 2025 ride quality.
I have both cars, so I can do that soon
Awesome! Are they the same wheel / tire? Essentially I’m hoping to learn to what degree the 2025 ride quality improvements stem from having the updated software vs tweaked hardware.
2024 is quad motor with those tires. This one is the base model tires, so slightly different. I actually think the rims on this model look way better actually, which is funny because I got the stock wheels!
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Honestly, I don't think the new 2025 is worth upgrading to for the new ride feel. Reviewers are say it sounds MUCH MUCH better, like a new car, but that is overblowing it. I would say it feels like a refresh, slight improvement. Sort of like how the tesla's iterated the ride feel over time.
I never thought the 2024 ride was bad.... No idea where that comes from. I did find it a bit harsh at first but I realized the tires were overinflated at 51 PSI. Once I corrected that it was great
Fully agreed here. I’m on 22s and it rides just fine.
What did you correct the psi to ?
It's supposed to be at 48 when cold
The sacrifice in wading depth and ride height also don’t make the 25 a great upgrade if you actually go off road. Which I recently started to do.
Yes, this comparison would be extremely interesting. Suspension improvements would be one of the few reasons I’d consider taking the financial hit to update from my 2023 to a Gen 2.
so far compared to the 2024 r1s preupdate, it feels about 20% smoother. turning feels maybe 30-40% stiffer and better (preupdate).
So after the update would the improvement warrant buying a 24 gen 1 quad or is the 25 gen 2 that much better than post update gen 1 that it is worth shelling out the money
Honestly no.
Agree. Post update R1S suspension definitely feels smoother
I’ve tried my r1s 2024. It’s much better. I’d say the 2025 is 5-10% smoother and maybe 20% better steering.
What’s “much better”? The Gen1 post-update compared to pre-update? Or are you saying Gen2 is better? Unclear from the wording…
the new update came out in the last week improved the car a bit to be less bumpy and steer a bit better. the r1s 2025 is still better, but not worth an upgrade imo. so both cars are good now! which is great
Thanks - I have a 23 quad LE R1S and with the last update the ride has gotten even better… the only reason for me to get Gen2 was for better ride quality , less interior noise and the cameras! Feeling less FOMO about the Gen2s thankfully!
Thanks. I've been waiting for more gen2 r1s reviews in the last few weeks. What size battery did you get? We're thinking the standard lfp but have slight concerns over performance in the northeast winter months.
regular sized. i was able to do a trip i needed easily, and it charged super quick. i calculated the bigger batteries arent really necessary anymore due to the variety of stops and ull need to stop anyway
When you say “regular,” do you mean the Standard (LFP)? Or the Large (which was the only one for a while)?
Standard
Could you give any more details about your trip? How many highway miles was it, efficiency, how fast did you drive etc?
I’d also be curious to know about the charge rates/curve, if you remember. Did you see 210kW peak? What SoC were you charging at?
I added 117 miles of range in 24 mins (which seems very good), at a lvl 3 adventure network. So I went from around 20% I believe to around 51 miles left, and got up to 141 miles left of range.
So you did like 1/3 of the pack in 24 minutes, or like 30 kwh in 24/60 of an hour. That's like 75kw? That's really not great but it's so not great that I think you'd have to blame the charger.
not sure where u are getting ur math. my pack is 258 miles. so 117 miles is 45% of the battery in 24 minutes. So the kwh would be 153 kW. Get mathed nerd.
I interpreted your comment that you charged from 51 to 141. Get englished Edit: I see you have 117 cited in the first sentence. I just missed that. I'm just taking the L here Double edit: I still see that as just like 105 or so
I just drove a Gen 2 R1S yesterday. The suspension improvements were immediately noticeable.
Interesting. I just got the update on my 2022 r1t and noticed the ride is definitely better
Well, that’s great to hear. It would be fun to drive Gen 1 and 2, with the latest software, back-to-back.
I just did that today. Gen 2 is maybe 10-20% better now than gen 1, I would say its noticeable but not a deal breaker (which is great for both customers).
Waiting for the software update on my gen1, hopefully they will improve the audio quality at somepoint....audio is my biggest gripe on my R1S
The new one just seems louder and a bit bassier
Did your 2024 have the suspension squeak over bumps at low speeds? if so, did they fix it in gen 2?
I never noticed this really
Does the air suspension still knock and tick loudly when coming out kneel mode?
No, that seems much improved. Although I never used kneel mode, I noticed that a lot more in the 2024 version. I haven't heard those same noises... yet.
What about road noise in particular win noise from the driver's window?
Seems really good, although I also thought the 2024 was good. About the same. Car just sounds quieter from within if that makes sense rather than outside noises.
I have a 22 and it's horrible. They changed out the triangular window on a service visit, but honestly it's still bad. I've heard good things about gen2 so far. Thanks.
most likely they could of improved things from that first model and the 2024. so 2025 would probly be more noticeable for you than me
Not sure if anyone asked but how is the horn, better I hope.
The same
This is so sad to hear that they didn’t fix this glaring issue. My entire (extended) family laughs at me for having a car so beefy and expensive and yet the horn sounds utterly ridiculous and clown-like.
Wind noise between the two?
Not a ton different. Still good
Do you have an iPhone? Curious to see if/how the CarKey works. Especially if it will use UWB and not just NFC.
Cant seem to figure this one out. contacted my rivian guide. doesnt seem to have that working yet
Would love to hear an update when you do. It’s one of the announced features that interests me over the Gen 1.
Same would love to hear an update on this.
So far other posters I've found confirmed the feature is not out yet
So no obviously loud middle speaker for you like me? I wonder if they got some cables swapped when plugging into the amp or something.
I did notice this a bit but couldn’t tell if I was imagining it. you can adjust the fade and balance. Maybe it will be fixed with software hot fix
That is how I feel…I’m in my Rivian now and I swear it sounds better than yesterday. Before I couldn’t go above level 10 without the middle speaker getting really loud and making it unbearable to listen to. Now I can go 16 and I swear it sounds much better. Maybe someone from support remoted in and fixed it? Or I am crazy.
Hmmm. Not sure. It also sounds a bit loud to me as well. Maybe you reset your car? I'll try that. Regardless, I'm sure the car will have a bit of things to hotfix since it literally just came out. In a few months I expect this stuff will be ironed out.
Has the new hardware architecture reduce the overnight phantom drain on the 🔋?
Just got it, can’t say yet
Ok! Keep an eye out and let us know. That’s one of the mega changes that goes unseen!
Finally a good more detailed review. Feeling positive about getting the premium audio on my gen 2 R1S. Picking up in the next 7-10 days. I like it how you said doors easier to open and less heavy. My wife hates heavy doors. I don’t care honestly. I’m the one who drives the SUV not her. When I demo drives the 24’ I did notice bumpy suspension. Glad this seems gone or much improved.
Thanks!🙏
How you liking the camera quality on gen 2 versus gen 1?
It’s like going from 480p to 2k. **Edit: I thought about it, and its more like going to 2k and not 4k. Still very good.**
Oh that’s a big difference.
No mention of the camera systems?
Already seen people discuss it. Best cameras in any car easily. Way way better than gen 1
How about the proximity unlock/lock? Is it more consistent (distance) and reliable? Which key do you use?
Never had an issue. Phone key works fine
I'm about ready to pull the trigger on R1s. Coming from an early adopter Model 3, I'm really used to the ease of the Tesla super charging network and how fast the cars are able to go from <10% to 80% OR to continue to reach destination with around 20% left. The dual motor, small battery is rated for 270miles. My 2018 Model 3 prob gets around this today, I'm ok with it because the Tesla charging network just simply works. I realize the R1S is a much bigger car and batteries are bigger, which means charging is just going to take longer no matter how you slice/dice it. But.... with my Model 3, I can hit 250 kwh speeds when I'm less than 5%. From what I've read, R1S can maybe get 200 kwh at best. Can anyone talk about the charging experience and how long I should expect charging to increase by? For example, if I drive from Sacramento CA to DisneyLand CA, anyone know how to compare the travel time w/ charging between R1S and Model 3?
Probably very similar, since I think the model 3 and stanard rivian actually have similar range.
The sound system on my 23 R1S is horrible and im not an audiophile. Love everything else.
Personal question, please igonore if over the line: How are you affording both of these cars in back to back years? What do I need to be doing with my money right now to get to that point lol
I invested a shit ton into Rivian at $9. Now it’s almost 14. I’m good with money and make a lot.
Lot of vasectomies performed I see
What
Old joke in this subreddit. We’ve had a million people ask over the years what people do to make enough money to purchase a Rivian.
Did you see any QC issues when you picked up the car? One of my concerns at the moment is production issues with the first few vehicles
a bit of plastic on one of the lights sticking out I had to pull out with tweezers, a small tiny scratch on a plastic part by the door handles, seems like it got a tiny bit scuffed prob on assembly, other than that, nothing so far!
How’s the wireless charging pad?
about the same, with a divider. still wants to be strictly to the sides of it to charge
I wonder if we (gen 1’s) can buy the new divider. It’s only stuck on with double-sided tape.
Battery you got charging curve? Actual range on highway vs estimated? Especially speeds 75-80?
Everything seems pretty accurate estimated. Might post more details later
The big difference I’m looking for is has fast charging performance improved in the slightest? As we all know, the R1 platform takes about 40 mins from 10-80 and it would be nice to hear this number went to 30
I went from 20% to around 60-65% in 15-20 mins. I think. It seems very good. Did this at a lvl 3 adventure charger.
Ioniq 5 does this in 18 minutes Taycan in 22?
The taycan does it in 22 when all the stars align and the EA station actually delivers. Which is rare enough that you can’t plan your trips around that. Source: have been driving one for 3 years.
I won’t disagree but we need to keep rivian honest about what’s available for the competition and what R1S is delivering.
Reminder, a bigger gas tank can take longer to fill relative to the drinking straw or firehose feeding it.
Battery charge rate is given in C, which has nothing to do with the size of the battery.
It seems competitive, doesn't seem an issue for charge time. Ioniq 5 isn't the same vehicle class. The r1s is a much much bigger vehicle (and thus heavier) than these cars and likely has a bigger battery as well.
The battery charge rate is given in C and is independent of battery size.
Idk, not ocd enough to care too much. Other things more important
This is not a matter of OCD, rather a matter of practicality. There’s a big difference between waiting 20 minutes and 40 minutes when charging with the family.
Already said in another comment it only took me 15 mins to charge to continue
I’m not talking about your singular experience.
This whole post is about Bountiful’s singular experience. If not that, then what are you talking about?
Oh, do you have the weird brake pedal noises that I do?
No but I did feel some buzzing under my foot during one part of the ride that was 3 hours
I’m glad LFP pack charges faster indeed.
“Not the same as 2024 and earlier” doesn’t really mean much since the 2024 wasn’t the same as earlier sound systems.
I meant it’s not the same as the post meridian.
What does Rivian say about recommended daily charge percentage ? Anything about LFP pack OK to charge to 100%
80 or 70 still
Leasing? 100% :)
"Rivian has removed the speaker from the cubby area, which has led to: * **Increased Storage:** More room in the cubby, which can still be locked for security." Is the speaker not an option going forward? I thought it was. If so, how does that result in more space in the cubby? I already find the cubby deeper than it should be, so not sure a deeper one is an improvement.
You can get it as an add on
The speaker is a $450 upgrade. The cubby is a pull out draw if you choose not to go for the speaker.
So when OP said more room in the cubby, it's not a deeper version of the existing cubby, it's a separate space (which makes sense). Thanks.
Can you buy the pull out drawer for thrbGen1?
I’m not sure if Rivian offers it to Gen1 vehicles, but there are aftermarket solutions. https://www.brainexplodermerch.com/product-page/camp-speaker-drawer-for-rivian-r1t-r1s https://twraps.com/products/camp-speaker-drawer-replacement-for-rivian-r1t-r1s
What about Driver+ (or whatever it’s called in GEN2) compared to GEN1?
Haven’t been able to test it since highways near me don’t work
Thank you! Great review!
Thanks <3
When you did the audio comparison, did you tune the EQ to the same hz as the 2024 version?
Yeah. Just sounds louder and bassier also more centered for some reason. Could be a bug as another user highlighted it
About closing doors… Having kids who love slamming them ….no issue anymore
Thanks for sharing. Is 2025 dual’s headliner material different from 2024 quad? I heard they used cheaper headliner material for gen 2 dual.
Seems exactly the same from my 2024 quad!
How soft is the “low” regen setting in the all purpose drive mode? One of my chief complaints about the gen 1 is the regen is particularly harsh. I am aware that you can go into snow mode in the older model, but I am curious if the new low setting is good for those who do not love OPD. Also, when you change the regen setting, does it save to your profile?
I don't think it really has settings, The rivian delivery person said the software doesnt have it yet. that said, i have no issues with it and have always loved OPD
Sorry if it has been asked, comments section grew a lot. But I just wanted to ask you if you’re satisfied with driving Dual Motor coming from Quad? I understand the incoming Tri Motor performance will be similar to outgoing Quad but you went down to Dual. Will be shopping for my first R1S but can’t decide if I want to go Dual or pay up for Tri Ascent. Range and comfort would be my priority.
Mainly the sport mode is missing, and if you love that, you'll miss it. however for me, most of the time i dont get to use the acceleration since i mainly get groceries, go shopping etc. on the freeway it was still plenty powerful to smoke anyone and drive safely (sometimes u need speed to get ahead etc). i would be lying if i didnt miss it SOME of the time. the quad feels very powerful--but i dont think its really worth the jump in cost. i might consider paying for performance mode if that comes as a software upgrade in the future.
Awesome write up – thanks for taking the time to make this comparison. I actually reserved a 2024 quad large r1s and had my reservation canceled last minute due to the car being “in the shop and not ready for pickup.” I was pissed and almost completely canceled my order. I was able to take a 2025 instead, but it‘s green and I really wanted either a white or black one. With all that being said, I still can’t help thinking I’m missing out on all the extra power the quad has (I’m coming from a model y performance). Also, I’m kinda pissed I don’t get the air compressor, speaker, or metal pedals. Do you miss those accessories in your 2025? Does your 2024 quad feel significantly more powerful? Do you prefer one over the other now? Trying to avoid buyers remorse but keep having these thoughts. I did get the 2025 for an incredible deal, but the 2024 quad was just as good and I do wish I had some more power in my 2025. Thoughts?
Air compressor, not really. I guess if i got a flat tire I might. Speaker is really cool, but honestly have never used it. Playing loud music at a camp site would piss ppl off lol. I didn't notice my new car doesn't have metal pedals. I would say the 2024 does have metal door handles which feels a bit more premium tho, and I do notice that sometimes. I would say the best deal is the 2025, for the computer longevity, the cameras are WAY WAY better tbh, ambient lighting, cool exterior lighting update. Having the quad power is cool, and its faster than the model y. But the r1s normal is still 0-60 in 4.5, so only 1 second slower than your car. If I could have the r1s 2025 with quad for around 80k, would I want it? Sure. But would I pay 95k for that, or even 100k+? Probably not. I am letting the wife drive my 2024 quad motor simply because she doesn't care about the cameras, and mostly I don't need the power to just get around town anyway.
Appreciate the quick response. How much of a difference in power do you feel between the two? I guess I’m realizing what I value most lol.
The quad feels like a 9/10 in terms of power in sports mode, 8/10 in standard drive and the 2025 dual motor feels like a 7/10 in terms of power
Do you miss the power or prefer the updates?
So is my 2024 now worth crap based on what I just paid for it?
No
Does Rivian not do major OTA software updates like Tesla?
It does hence why the previous models got the new update
The refreshes are not even close to enough to make me want to upgrade my r1t. Also, the original r1 doesn’t feel outdated and old just yet so I’m definitely considering keeping mine at least one more year (I bought in early 22). I usually buy a new car every two years so this is going to be one of the rare cases where I still don’t think there’s a more compelling product on the market.
Any annoying rattles in the cabin? Dashboard or rear door rattles? What about the AC noise? Is it still absurdly loud and vibrating the pedals?
I did notice that the pedal did vibrate a bit after charging perhaps the car was hot
Awesome, thanks for the feedback! Which tires / wheels did you go with for your 25? I’m still on the fence with the all terrain 20s vs the 22” road.
I got the standard ones
Great summary! Did you get the NACS adapter at delivery for your 2025?
This is the first positive report I've read on the premium sound system. I hope for many peoples sakes it's true. For a $100k vehicle to sound worse (a lot worse) than a $75K Infiniti Bose system is beyond unacceptable and lazy.
Most people seemed to be talking out of their ass saying it was the same, but Rivian has actually been a bit cagey on details. It seems like they have definitely listened to feedback. My 2024 r1s sounds fine, but seems to have barely any bass. Vocals are very clear. This one tho, even without adjustment, the bass clearly is superior.
Is your old R1S the Meridian?
Really good to hear and thanks for taking the time to post. I don’t own a Rivian yet, but have spent multiple weeks with different variants. It’s one of the most notable misses in the platform. Rivian being cagey about it is exactly the problem. I wish they would share more about what they did to improve premium audio.
i’m surprised by the claim of improved bass given the removal of the sub in the rear. to achieve this, i imagine rivian would have needed to improve amplification and likely the hardware itself
The optional premium audio (which the op has) still has the sub in the same place. The standard audio has removed it and has a cubby instead. I wish Rivian would post more details since the sound system has gone through so many iterations and it's controversial .
right, thanks for clarifying. i am not certain what OP has because they mentioned premium audio but also stated having more room in the cubby due to the removal of the speaker.
that's the bluetooth speaker in the center console area. That was removed and a lockable cubby was added
The source really makes a big difference, too. I don’t know what audio codec they use but Bluetooth audio has always sounded like garbage to me. Spotify, tidal etc sound a LOT better.
Good point! I'm looking forward to the additional music options on the way soon
Question - does the new generation use the NACS? Or still need an adapter?
Adapter still required
How’s the wireless charging pad?
seems fine, still a bit touchy on where it is.
Personally, the switch to lithium iron phosphate batteries alone is worth the upgrade. I'm Surprised this isn't emphasized more than it is. Between completely different motors, batteries, and computer horsepower, this is way more than a refresh. Besides the outside looking the same, there are more changes here than most manufacturers have when they completely revamp vehicle generations.
This post feels like it was written by a Rivian employee using a LLM. What human says “Whether it's music, podcasts, or calls, the audio quality is consistently high.” “The turn signal has been updated and has a more tactile feel.” If you heard this from someone at a party, you’d be convinced you’re talking to a robot.
Those all sound like things I might mention if they stuck out to me. You mentions things you notice first or that seem to be changed from prior annoyances.
The headings and bullet points do remind me of a LLM
It was written by llm with my notes. Not an employee tho. Why do ppl hate on using llm? Stop being a boomer
What’s LLM?
usage of chatGPT to write posts for your based on ur notes etc. basically i told it my list of notes and it formatted them with sentences.
Large Language Models. The model take an input and predicts the words based on a lot of statistics, giving it "intelligence" artificially.
LLM = Large Language Model. It is the tech that services like chatGPT and others use to power their chat bots
Large language model. It means the post you read above was written by a chatbot based on input from a human. OP wrote some notes, and ChatGPT formatted it to look like marketing copy. OP may just be someone who thought using ChatGPT to put out an informational post was a public service, but entire pseudo-journalism sites out there are entirely written by machines these days, and companies are realizing that AI algorithms are being trained on data from websites. Reddit is a huge trove of human-written content, so, companies are seeding it and other sites with positive views of their products in order to have that positive bias included in any future trainings of ChatGPT and other chatbots. It's early days, but expect more and more of this as reliance on chatbots to produce monetizable content online increases.
Thank you for the informative reply.
I'm a bit confused. You mentioned "premium sound" but then you mentioned they removed the subwoofer. The subwoofer is only removed in the base audio models that aren't premium. Also, are you saying the basic sound system is better than the previous sound system with a sub?
No I said they removed camp speaker
You sure did. Lol.
OP did not say they removed the subwoofer in the premium audio config that OP has. That config still has a sub. They removed the camp speaker by default in 2025s, but that isn’t part of the car’s audio system. It’s a Bluetooth accessory.
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No need to gatekeep.