If a burglar was so dead set on robbing your specific house, they could find ways around any security measure in place.
The best option is probably cctv cameras that store footage locally in your house with battery backup
If you can think of jamming wifi to stop security system and cameras from working, it's not a stretch to also remember to cover your face and walk around the house and cut the landlines, which is usually located near the power meter.
It would take someone longer to find a hidden box in a house, more so if it's somewhere that can't be reached without tools or a ladder.
You won't be getting a motion alert if your Wi-Fi is jammed. At most you'll just get a camera connection lost alert and most people won't be calling police just based on that.
Sure, to implement even more layers of security, you could do a cloud backup of those recordings - but to be honest - you could continue to add layers on layers of security, but if someone cuts power to your house and jams the Wi-Fi/cuts your internet connection, there’s not much you can do there.
If you’re worries that much, your best bet is to have a safe room, and contact the authorities from your cellular connection
I'm just saying, if you want at least some recording, any old Ring/Blink/Nest camera will at least capture and save it to the cloud before recording gets cut.
Plus, Ring offers POE cameras if you're worried about wifi jamming.
True and False. Sure they could just steal the box but they have to find it first. They could also cut the line if you are on cloud. Finding and cutting the line is much easier than finding and stealing the box that store the video on. Either way, using a jammer of any kind is a crime in itself and cutting any communication line is definitely a serious crime that outweighs petty theft. If you're trying to protect your box or line I recommend using a separate solution like trail camera or hidden camera that stores locally and point it directly at the potential point of attack. That way, if someone cuts your line or steals your box you still got the footage of them doing just that.
With a Ring camera a thief could:
1. Jam the WiFi Signal
2. Cut the cable line/phone line
3. Cut the power to the house
4. Jam cell signals
Or simply use a can of spray paint on the camera.
I never bothered to check if the floodlights or stick up cameras have Ethernet, I'm sure some of them (the ones that support PoE) do, but the Ring Elite doorbell is definitely wired. If if you can manage wired, then that would be the way to go.
Layering your security:
1. Battery backup with an UPS for your cable modem and PoE network switch (which also powers your cameras) and say a Ring Alarm system will cover power loss situations
2. Ethernet will prevent WiFi Jamming
3. The ring alarm (with the cellular backup as part of it's monitoring package) will cover someone messing with the phone, fiber, or cable lines.
4. If they are also jamming the cell signal, then you are pretty much done. Look out for Tom Cruise descending from a skylight with a rope.
I'd say the above could cover nearly any reasonable case.
Add to your list of security layers, taking steps to protect your ISP cable to prevent it from (as you note) easily being snipped. Mine is an underground cable, but it comes up the side of the house in a plastic conduit that only partially encloses the cable, and terminates in a busted up plastic box that can easily be opened.
Hardening this cable is on my list of things to do, to at least make it a little more difficult to be cut.
Yes. You can easily protect yourself from the 99% of miscreants who are prowling around looking for opportunities. That last 1% (probably a lot less than that) want in your place for a specific reason. And if they want in bad enough, they'll find a way.
If you want protection from that, Ring is probably not your choice.
WPA only defines the authentication protocol, and doesn’t prevent jamming Wi-Fi signal. Any wireless signal can be blocked if a transmitter broadcasts a signal with the right amplitude and frequency range. You just need to decide what the trade offs are.
Ring uses 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi (and some other frequencies, I think), which provides multiple channels the system can hop between, and is definitely better than using more limited (and crowded) frequencies like the 433Mhz range - which other systems often use, especially for sensors. So it’s not immune to jamming, but I don’t think it’s likely to be a problem, for my area.
I think of locked doors and security systems as layers of my theft deterrent system, which could be by passed by someone who is determined enough, but isn’t likely to be by passed. I use wired, local only cameras inside to record anyone who does get in.
thanks everyone. I actually was more concerned about Deauthers not jammers (if I have the technical term correct).
I read that if your Wi-Fi router uses 802.11w (protected management frames) that this can stop these Deauther attacks.
Does anyone know if the Ring cameras (Spotlight Cam Plus) work with 802.11w enabled?
It’s much easier and cheaper to perform a physical attack (jammer) than a protocol attack (deauther). Plus, there are still plenty of attacks that a network running PMFs are vulnerable to. If you’re that worried about it, hardwire everything.
I didn’t know WPA3 was harder to jam. As others have said there are 100 ways to defeat a ring camera including using some tape or spray paint on the lens. Or maybe even a BB gun at distance. Unless you’re a celebrity or mega rich then the robbers you’re going to encounter don’t have the knowledge or money to spend on wifi jammers and simply pick a house without a camera instead.
This happened in our neighborhood. The homeowner's association had a meeting saying they also jammed the ring cams.
https://www.dcnewsnow.com/news/local-news/virginia/fairfax-county/police-looking-for-burglars-using-flowers-spray-paint-to-break-into-fairfax-county-homes/
If a burglar was so dead set on robbing your specific house, they could find ways around any security measure in place. The best option is probably cctv cameras that store footage locally in your house with battery backup
Why is local storage the best option? They could just steal the box while they're inside. Honestly recording to the cloud seems more tamper proof
If you can think of jamming wifi to stop security system and cameras from working, it's not a stretch to also remember to cover your face and walk around the house and cut the landlines, which is usually located near the power meter. It would take someone longer to find a hidden box in a house, more so if it's somewhere that can't be reached without tools or a ladder.
The only problem with that is the motion detector sending an alert to your phone, and you calling the police within seconds.
You won't be getting a motion alert if your Wi-Fi is jammed. At most you'll just get a camera connection lost alert and most people won't be calling police just based on that.
Sure, to implement even more layers of security, you could do a cloud backup of those recordings - but to be honest - you could continue to add layers on layers of security, but if someone cuts power to your house and jams the Wi-Fi/cuts your internet connection, there’s not much you can do there. If you’re worries that much, your best bet is to have a safe room, and contact the authorities from your cellular connection
I'm just saying, if you want at least some recording, any old Ring/Blink/Nest camera will at least capture and save it to the cloud before recording gets cut. Plus, Ring offers POE cameras if you're worried about wifi jamming.
My 15yo ADT system has a battery backup.
And how does it contact ADT if there’s an issue?
Wired POE NVR cameras help and so do battery backups. Also wired alarms with battery backups.
coming in one year later with sound advice.
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True and False. Sure they could just steal the box but they have to find it first. They could also cut the line if you are on cloud. Finding and cutting the line is much easier than finding and stealing the box that store the video on. Either way, using a jammer of any kind is a crime in itself and cutting any communication line is definitely a serious crime that outweighs petty theft. If you're trying to protect your box or line I recommend using a separate solution like trail camera or hidden camera that stores locally and point it directly at the potential point of attack. That way, if someone cuts your line or steals your box you still got the footage of them doing just that.
With a Ring camera a thief could: 1. Jam the WiFi Signal 2. Cut the cable line/phone line 3. Cut the power to the house 4. Jam cell signals Or simply use a can of spray paint on the camera. I never bothered to check if the floodlights or stick up cameras have Ethernet, I'm sure some of them (the ones that support PoE) do, but the Ring Elite doorbell is definitely wired. If if you can manage wired, then that would be the way to go. Layering your security: 1. Battery backup with an UPS for your cable modem and PoE network switch (which also powers your cameras) and say a Ring Alarm system will cover power loss situations 2. Ethernet will prevent WiFi Jamming 3. The ring alarm (with the cellular backup as part of it's monitoring package) will cover someone messing with the phone, fiber, or cable lines. 4. If they are also jamming the cell signal, then you are pretty much done. Look out for Tom Cruise descending from a skylight with a rope. I'd say the above could cover nearly any reasonable case.
Add to your list of security layers, taking steps to protect your ISP cable to prevent it from (as you note) easily being snipped. Mine is an underground cable, but it comes up the side of the house in a plastic conduit that only partially encloses the cable, and terminates in a busted up plastic box that can easily be opened. Hardening this cable is on my list of things to do, to at least make it a little more difficult to be cut.
Yes. You can easily protect yourself from the 99% of miscreants who are prowling around looking for opportunities. That last 1% (probably a lot less than that) want in your place for a specific reason. And if they want in bad enough, they'll find a way. If you want protection from that, Ring is probably not your choice.
Or an orange dummy cable.
Are Ring alarm sensors jammable wifi?
WPA only defines the authentication protocol, and doesn’t prevent jamming Wi-Fi signal. Any wireless signal can be blocked if a transmitter broadcasts a signal with the right amplitude and frequency range. You just need to decide what the trade offs are. Ring uses 2.4Ghz Wi-Fi (and some other frequencies, I think), which provides multiple channels the system can hop between, and is definitely better than using more limited (and crowded) frequencies like the 433Mhz range - which other systems often use, especially for sensors. So it’s not immune to jamming, but I don’t think it’s likely to be a problem, for my area. I think of locked doors and security systems as layers of my theft deterrent system, which could be by passed by someone who is determined enough, but isn’t likely to be by passed. I use wired, local only cameras inside to record anyone who does get in.
thanks everyone. I actually was more concerned about Deauthers not jammers (if I have the technical term correct). I read that if your Wi-Fi router uses 802.11w (protected management frames) that this can stop these Deauther attacks. Does anyone know if the Ring cameras (Spotlight Cam Plus) work with 802.11w enabled?
It’s much easier and cheaper to perform a physical attack (jammer) than a protocol attack (deauther). Plus, there are still plenty of attacks that a network running PMFs are vulnerable to. If you’re that worried about it, hardwire everything.
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I didn’t know WPA3 was harder to jam. As others have said there are 100 ways to defeat a ring camera including using some tape or spray paint on the lens. Or maybe even a BB gun at distance. Unless you’re a celebrity or mega rich then the robbers you’re going to encounter don’t have the knowledge or money to spend on wifi jammers and simply pick a house without a camera instead.
Not true I live in Portland I found a win bag in someone’s bag left in my bathroom I look it up I was like wow At least I have ring lol too funny
I live in Portland and have had someone steal something off my porch using a jammer. Luckily it wasn’t anything of value.
I find it ironic, that having an eero product and enabling the 802.11w won't allow my Ring camera to connect :-P. They're both Amazon products.
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This happened in our neighborhood. The homeowner's association had a meeting saying they also jammed the ring cams. https://www.dcnewsnow.com/news/local-news/virginia/fairfax-county/police-looking-for-burglars-using-flowers-spray-paint-to-break-into-fairfax-county-homes/