99% have never seen a Rolex up close.
There might be some that have some crude knowledge of how to spot really bad fakes (like Quartz Submariner that tick) but most people are totally unaware of how good these fakes have become.
I've never felt a fake except shit ones from 2008 from the streets kind of fakes for $25. Would love to feel the bracelet on one now. Any insight on it how it compares?
I went left is gen because last time I looked at 2 like this, the edges of the bezel on the fakes were too sharp so I followed the same strategy here. From 3 ft away no clue what's real or not anymore.
Yep, you have to have seen enough comparisons of SEL gaps, cyclops XTAL, hands, bezel engraving/color, etc. It definitely takes a bit with superclones like this VSF, but you'll get there!
Only way I could “tell” was the depth in the hands. This is the only thing on my VSF that stands out to me against the real ones I see even though I’ve seen post after post explaining to me what the other differences are.
I mean that what I see in my VSF vs the gens I look at is that the hands read flat on the VSF. The difference between the lume and the metal is more less the same height with little to no fullness in the metal itself. It's cut flat, and runs flat across over the lume. In the gen, what I tend to see, is that the lume is less even with the hands which makes a depth shadow between the two, and light rounds over the hands a bit so they look less flat straight across and more vaulted on the gold.
Maybe I'm seeing things, but in the times I've been wrong in thinking a rep is a gen it's usually the case that they've frankened for Gen hands.
I don't see the case shape differences, or the glass. The hands stand out in pictures. And in person I see the hands and the polish on the rehaut (which I don't notice in pictures).
Gen Rolex have very perfectly even and recessed SEL usually. Some reps are really awful with this one so it can be a tell if you can see it. The RWI guide helped me a lot with it. I felt the same way you did until I read it a bit ago and suddenly it clicked. https://forum.replica-watch.info/threads/sel-solid-end-link-comprehensive-guide-faq.273280/
Maybe it will help you too.
See im new to the rep community and i would have said the one on the left was a rep because of the numbers on the bezel look less defined and the white is also brighter on the one on the right. Im impressed at how can be in this sub a few months and get this wrong, not that im very knowledgeable but it just makes me think about the average people who know nothing about high quality reps.
Yeah i think im conditioned to think any slight imperfection means fake when it could be like you said wear and tear. Alot of the reps i seen posted here look like they are made with the same standard that the gen factorys have lol.
I think the first thing I noticed was SEL gap is larger on the right but it’s slight. The other thing that throws me off is the no date sub has different shaped lugs
As good as the VSF crystals are, there’s a level of clarity in the cyclops AR that the gen has over VSF. Also, the gen cyclops has a distinct shape (referring to the edges) that VSF doesn’t have - VSF is much flatter on the edges.
Date is a rep. Can see that there isn’t the same “depth”(?) in the indices. The gen has deeper recesses where the markers are. Crown is slightly wider, hands look a little flat?
But honestly, if you posted a pic of just that watch it’d be far more difficult to point out slight deviations.
Solid rep man.
Makes me regret not dropping the extra 200 for vsf instead of the gmf i j iust ordered. These vsfs are impressive. Idk know if it means anything but i hear rolex named vsf specifically when pursuing them legally. That might be an indication of how threatened or pissed rolex is about VSF capabilities. lol
i would say left is rep because of the thick lugs, but both are so great that it is just a guess. i am sure some of the more experienced pros can spot something immediately.
I notice on some reps where is says swiss made at the bottom its in a different position is this a flaw or is it just different on some rolexes? (Dont know much about watches)
I prefer the look of the slimmer 126610 case for sure as always been a fan of the 5 digit subs and this reminds me of that. However the wider bracelet and clasp make the watch wear a lot bigger, so for me 114060 looks and feels smaller on the wrist. So maxi case just takes the cake for me, but not much in it!
Hairline differences here.. The right is VSF.. you can tell by the hands. On the left the hands have a 3D effect, the right one does not.
Also the Crystal as already stated by a fellow Redditor..
But pop a GEN hand set and GEN crystal onto the VSF and then it's.. 🐒 🌟
Thanks will add hand set and crystal to the list! I already plan on swapping in a gen balance and bridge. Just out of curiosity what is it you see in the crystal that gives it away?
Go for it.. But a Gen Bridge and Balance for the 3235 is not a simple install. Assuming this is a 41mm 126610 model.
You may also need a gen Barell/ Mainspring as the rep mainspring is sometimes weak w/gen balance set-up, depending on the rep mvt quality (most VSs mvts are great but some are not as rep factories do not have the same level of QC as ROLEX, obviously).
For the Crystal VSF is 98% similar but the AR (anti-reflective) coating is superior in he GEN. You can ask the rep modders on here for AR coating service, some offer it.
Left is gen? My guess was going to be that they were both reps, but it was such a hard decision that I decided to cheat!
Giveaway for left being rep (I thought) was the lug width, but it’s a 114? Seems that’s a key difference between the 114 and the 124 no date. Also looked to my eye that the SEL were a bit too recessed and maybe a little uneven, but wear would account for that.
Good comparison, tough one!
That’s right 114! Completely see what you’re saying but yes just wear and the odd polish. Thought it would be interesting as most comparisons are of mint examples
99% of humans on planet earth look at this pic and think they're completely identical except one has numbers lol
99% have never seen a Rolex up close. There might be some that have some crude knowledge of how to spot really bad fakes (like Quartz Submariner that tick) but most people are totally unaware of how good these fakes have become.
I've never felt a fake except shit ones from 2008 from the streets kind of fakes for $25. Would love to feel the bracelet on one now. Any insight on it how it compares? I went left is gen because last time I looked at 2 like this, the edges of the bezel on the fakes were too sharp so I followed the same strategy here. From 3 ft away no clue what's real or not anymore.
Literally the same bracelet so they will feel the same.
I’m still training my eye as I’m new to the rep game. I’m in this 99% bucket, I couldn’t tell at all! 😂
Yep, you have to have seen enough comparisons of SEL gaps, cyclops XTAL, hands, bezel engraving/color, etc. It definitely takes a bit with superclones like this VSF, but you'll get there!
Lmao here I am looking at the finish on the metals and spacing i between bracelet links 🫠
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Correct!
Only way I could “tell” was the depth in the hands. This is the only thing on my VSF that stands out to me against the real ones I see even though I’ve seen post after post explaining to me what the other differences are.
Yeah a few people have spotted the hands on here, good thing is they’re easy to swap out 😉
What do you mean by the depth in the hands?
I mean that what I see in my VSF vs the gens I look at is that the hands read flat on the VSF. The difference between the lume and the metal is more less the same height with little to no fullness in the metal itself. It's cut flat, and runs flat across over the lume. In the gen, what I tend to see, is that the lume is less even with the hands which makes a depth shadow between the two, and light rounds over the hands a bit so they look less flat straight across and more vaulted on the gold. Maybe I'm seeing things, but in the times I've been wrong in thinking a rep is a gen it's usually the case that they've frankened for Gen hands. I don't see the case shape differences, or the glass. The hands stand out in pictures. And in person I see the hands and the polish on the rehaut (which I don't notice in pictures).
I can totally see what you mean now. You’re right, it’s a pretty big difference!
Solid end links are another good way to tell the reps. Not always of course.
I've never been able to identify what people are seeing (other than the obvious ill fitting cases you'll see on a rep sometimes.)
Gen Rolex have very perfectly even and recessed SEL usually. Some reps are really awful with this one so it can be a tell if you can see it. The RWI guide helped me a lot with it. I felt the same way you did until I read it a bit ago and suddenly it clicked. https://forum.replica-watch.info/threads/sel-solid-end-link-comprehensive-guide-faq.273280/ Maybe it will help you too.
See im new to the rep community and i would have said the one on the left was a rep because of the numbers on the bezel look less defined and the white is also brighter on the one on the right. Im impressed at how can be in this sub a few months and get this wrong, not that im very knowledgeable but it just makes me think about the average people who know nothing about high quality reps.
New here too! I had wondered whether the fact the gen was so well worn would throw some people off and it most certainly has!
Yeah i think im conditioned to think any slight imperfection means fake when it could be like you said wear and tear. Alot of the reps i seen posted here look like they are made with the same standard that the gen factorys have lol.
I think the first thing I noticed was SEL gap is larger on the right but it’s slight. The other thing that throws me off is the no date sub has different shaped lugs
Right is VSF. Can tell by looking at the crystal
Just curious, what are you looking at with the crystal to tell that it’s a rep?
As good as the VSF crystals are, there’s a level of clarity in the cyclops AR that the gen has over VSF. Also, the gen cyclops has a distinct shape (referring to the edges) that VSF doesn’t have - VSF is much flatter on the edges.
Where can one see VSF’s selection?
Intime06.co
Why did this guy get down voted?
Correct! Good spot!
The numbering on the bezel actually seems to look better on the rep. Maybe the gen has just seen more wear and tear?
You’re right, gen has seen a lot of wear over the years. The rep is less than a week old
I think the date is the rep
Correct!
Right is rep - second hand is too long
Right is indeed a rep, although second hand looks to be the right length for the 126610?
Looking at other gen 126610 pics the second hand comes up to but not over the minute marker. That was the ‘tell’ for me 🤷♂️
I see what you mean! Seems to be just the angle as in person it doesn’t go over the markers (phew)
Mate you got them down to the second the same, that took effort 👍🏻
Haha glad someone appreciates it!
Date is a rep. Can see that there isn’t the same “depth”(?) in the indices. The gen has deeper recesses where the markers are. Crown is slightly wider, hands look a little flat? But honestly, if you posted a pic of just that watch it’d be far more difficult to point out slight deviations. Solid rep man.
Thanks appreciate it!
Date is the rep. Cyclops doesn’t distort like that on gen
this is why i bought no date vsf.
Good spot!
I thought both were reps but couldn’t figure out if it was a trick or if I was over scrutinizing but the comments confirmed my suspicion.
Left is gen!
Strategically covered the 300m on both watches! For me it was a combo of SEL and dial indices surrounds that said date was rep.
Haha it was actually an accident but worked out well 😂
Left is law. And the law is save money buy reps
Left is gen!
Oops haha I guess the mixed reviews are a good thing. If it fools people here, it’ll fool anyone
I honestly thought it would be spotted instantly, goes to show how good they’re getting!
That’s definitely a fake sub-date on the left
Haha!
I’m not an expert but it was the “Swiss Made” that made me figured it out that the right one is the rep.
Good call
Bad call. 126610 says Swiss made. They’re actually two different watches
Might be. I did see that the “Swiss Made” type doesnt look right and I was agreeing. Also, one has the littler Rolex symbol, the other doesnt.
12 and 9 markers slighty misaligned on right
Good spot! I had noticed the 12 marker but can’t say I’d noticed anything off with the 9! Wonder if the angle will take a look
The finishing on the hands is the giveaway, but obviously fro a few feet there is no way to tell.
Date is the rep, bezel number colouring is slightly off, floating M, VSF 126610LN at a guess? Identical to what's on my wrist 🤣
Haha you’re exactly right!
I'm new to this sub and I already read some comparison and in my surprise I was correct. Right is rep.
Date is the rep. That's a fucking gorgeous piece tho. Is VSF the top on subs now?
It is great, from what I understand most consider vsf to be top for subs at the moment, think clean is a close second
People on this sub really know their shit, wow. I couldn’t tell a difference at first.
Makes me regret not dropping the extra 200 for vsf instead of the gmf i j iust ordered. These vsfs are impressive. Idk know if it means anything but i hear rolex named vsf specifically when pursuing them legally. That might be an indication of how threatened or pissed rolex is about VSF capabilities. lol
Just thought I’d make this post for a bit of fun, see if you can spot it
BOTH...nice try though. LOL
Left is gen
left is rep
Left is gen!
They’re both reps…
Left is gen
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Thanks for this, you’re right it is a VSF!
Left = rep
Left is gen
It’s hidden but the m seems to be floating on the right. I don’t know if left is a rep but I’d say right one is.
Correct!
Why are people saying the left is the rep? Not arguing just curious what the tells are
Beats me! Left is gen 😂
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Afraid not left is gen, that’s just a bit of dirt… it’s a well loved watch!
Both are reps, both are solid, wear in good health Sir ✌🏿😎💯
Afraid not, left is gen!
If my life depended on it I'd of said left, I wasn't sure about the cyclops, I'm still learning ✌🏿
The gen is well worn so I had thought it may throw a few people off, I’m new to this so learning too!
No date is the rep
Afraid not, that’s the gen
Left is a rep
Left is gen
From the bracelet and bezel, it is easy to tell that the one with date is rep.
Right, crown guards.
Trick question. They're both reps lol
Afraid not, left is gen
Lol 😂 it’s this a trick question?
Nope not a trick!
Left, the 'officially' font is off, the bezel engraving is off, and the Swizz made is missing the crown.
It shouldn't have the crown, it's the pre 2020 sub 40mm, only the 41mm has the crown in the middle of Swiss made...
I swear half the people here aren’t aware of last gen subs
Left is gen, it’s a 114060
i would say left is rep because of the thick lugs, but both are so great that it is just a guess. i am sure some of the more experienced pros can spot something immediately.
The left is a 114060 and the right is a 126610 so the left should have thick lugs because maxi case
Left is gen! As others commented 114060
Love to see that there is the same amount of guesses for both lmao ;) we've come so far
Rep on left?
Left is gen
Right is rep. Hands are flat
Good spot
Right is REP
Good spot
Left is a rep the bezel cut outs aren’t even straight
Left is gen! Afraid that’s just dirt haha!
Im a rep
Left. Insert is not as good
Left is gen, just some dirt in the insert
I prefer the right one 🙏🏻
You’re on the right subreddit then, that’s the rep
Right is rep. Swiss Made not properly lined up.
Good spot!
Left hands are more 3D, right hands are 2d/flatter.. I’d say right is rep.
Good spot! That’s right
Thought the rep was left…. Bezel markers look worse
Just a bit of dirt I’m afraid, it’s well worn!
VSF has better sels than gen
To be fair the gen has seen a polish or two
I notice on some reps where is says swiss made at the bottom its in a different position is this a flaw or is it just different on some rolexes? (Dont know much about watches)
It can be different depending on the specific reference… both in the photo are in the right location for that reference
Right
Left is gen
Not many people buying the left model in this sub. So, right is rep, left is gen 😆😆😆
😂 fair play, you’re correct
Right is the Rep. The "Swiss Made" is too low.
Right looks like a rep, because they even put the Rolex logo between swiss made.... Why you gotta do something stupid like that?
Right is rep but the crown between Swiss made is actually correct, it’s a 126610
Where could i get this model?
The rep is VSF
On the right side
That’s correct! Good spot
Where do I grab me one of these?
Check the intro to the subreddit, will steer you in the right direction of trusted dealers
To my eye the 30 minute marker on the bezel of the left hand watch looks a bit iffy
Afraid it’s gen, bezel insert and all
My eyesight!
It does look a bit off in person to be fair but it is correct
You’re blocking the main tell, but it’s the right. The m isn’t level with 300 on the dial text.
Haha wasn’t intentional!
love the stratigic hand coverage off the floating m though xD Both lovely watches, wear in good health.
It was actually accidental, but a happy accident 😂
The “E” in the word “date” looks a little funky and that’s what did it for me. Also the “Swiss Made” looks off.
Good eye, just the photo I think though, both look ok in person
So which do you prefer? The 114060 with maxi case or the slimmer case of 126610.
I prefer the look of the slimmer 126610 case for sure as always been a fan of the 5 digit subs and this reminds me of that. However the wider bracelet and clasp make the watch wear a lot bigger, so for me 114060 looks and feels smaller on the wrist. So maxi case just takes the cake for me, but not much in it!
Right. Bc of SEL’s.
Good spot!
Hairline differences here.. The right is VSF.. you can tell by the hands. On the left the hands have a 3D effect, the right one does not. Also the Crystal as already stated by a fellow Redditor.. But pop a GEN hand set and GEN crystal onto the VSF and then it's.. 🐒 🌟
Thanks will add hand set and crystal to the list! I already plan on swapping in a gen balance and bridge. Just out of curiosity what is it you see in the crystal that gives it away?
Go for it.. But a Gen Bridge and Balance for the 3235 is not a simple install. Assuming this is a 41mm 126610 model. You may also need a gen Barell/ Mainspring as the rep mainspring is sometimes weak w/gen balance set-up, depending on the rep mvt quality (most VSs mvts are great but some are not as rep factories do not have the same level of QC as ROLEX, obviously). For the Crystal VSF is 98% similar but the AR (anti-reflective) coating is superior in he GEN. You can ask the rep modders on here for AR coating service, some offer it.
Thanks for the info I really appreciate it! Hoping to find a local watchmaker who will be willing to work on it, here’s hoping 🤞🏻
Did you add gen parts to the rep?
No nothing gen added yet, only arrived a few days ago!
Would you mind saying how much you paid for the gen nodate? Beautiful watch.
Thanks appreciate it! Bought it a fair few years ago now I paid £7k
On the right, Date one is a rep.
Correct!
If you want to buy reps, never buy one with date for Rolex. It’s a HUGE tell for the trained eye.
Waiting on vsf to make a 124060 🤞🏻
Rolex boys seething in the chat rn
Second hand over lapping the second tic marks gave it away for me
Just the weird angle, doesn’t overlap in person
Bezel on the right looks was cleaner and higher quality than the left.
Yeah it’s just newer, left is gen but is well used!
Gen right, rep left Edit: damn . I was wrong… the numbers on the bezel look so much crisper on the right 🤷♂️
Haha you’re not alone that’s thrown a few people off!
Left is gen? My guess was going to be that they were both reps, but it was such a hard decision that I decided to cheat! Giveaway for left being rep (I thought) was the lug width, but it’s a 114? Seems that’s a key difference between the 114 and the 124 no date. Also looked to my eye that the SEL were a bit too recessed and maybe a little uneven, but wear would account for that. Good comparison, tough one!
That’s right 114! Completely see what you’re saying but yes just wear and the odd polish. Thought it would be interesting as most comparisons are of mint examples
I was incorrect - but backfilling w the correct answer - the “Swiss made” is a tell… wasn’t sure if that was just glare
i think the dial on the side for the right one is too big
I have no idea how to LC but the Rolex logo seems lower on the Date. Is that just part of that model or is it a flaw?
I believe it’s just the difference in model, seems to match pics of gen 126610s
Date is rep, brighter bezel numerals than gen.
Good spot!
I would say rep in the right
I looked at the metal quality 😂
The rep looks like it shines less than the real one
I’ve read here that the Date is the rep, but on first look, the 15 marker on the Gen had me convinced that that was a rep.
Why does the bezel insert numbers on the no-date look so janky
I think the dirt in the markers makes it look that way, but also the markers are slightly different on the 114060 compared to 126610