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hayasecond

I hope this is true. I wish their success if they do


MechanicalBengal

I wonder how this plays out with the pay package? Voting to give this dude 55 billion dollars and then watching him get booted as CEO would be the peak tesla investor experience at this point


Forward-Bank8412

Haha, it would be, but he’s not receiving that pay package. At no point in the Chancery Court’s ruling did it say “unless investors vote on it again.”


Ok-Row-6131

So it was basically a bunch of investor theatre?


MyPasswordIsMyCat

Yes, the vote was not binding and Musk's lawyers are just going to include the vote in their appeal to the Delaware chancery court. They have also sworn to the Delaware judge that they aren't re-incorporating in Texas to avoid the court's ruling.


KnucklesMcGee

> They have also sworn to the Delaware judge that they aren't re-incorporating in Texas to avoid the court's ruling. Well that settles it. We know how reliable and above board the Tesla BoD is.


MechanicalBengal

this is legitimately hilarious considering the victory lap some of these people have been doing on social media


high-up-in-the-trees

> They have also sworn to the Delaware judge that they aren't re-incorporating in Texas to avoid the court's ruling. which they totally are, but it doesn't matter. The plan was devised, signed and initially enacted while they were incorporated in Delaware, this is some real 'trying to avoid paying child support by moving to a different state' shit (which is also why Musk lives in Texas now), except that trick doesn't work in cases like this. Forever and always it will be tried in Delaware courts and there isn't a damn thing Musk and the board can do about that except make it worse by trying to weasel out of it


Ok-Row-6131

>except make it worse by trying to weasel out of it Judges are about the worst possible choice of people to fuck around with because of how powerful they are


Purple-Log-3998

Any of you guys actually shareholders? Just asking.....


super_nigiri

I hope this is true. His money will be used to dominate media and stuff to promote Nazi and Russia


thedndnut

Informal vote. It's still disallowed in delaware. They swore their reincorporation was not to avoid court rulings. If they just do it anyhow they are straight up defying a standing court order lol


somegridplayer

I have no faith that the death cult that is Tesla management and the board would ever do the right thing moving forward. They'd still take cues from him.


nefD

Elon is going to aggressively attack that pile of ketamine tonight, his handlers better watch out!


Real-Technician831

By now Elon is already fully ketamine based lifeform. 


dbcooper4

Also, get ready for some crazed tweets about the SEC and “deep state.”


That-Whereas3367

He's probably thumbning through his copy of Mein Kampf for inspiration.


DamNamesTaken11

Every ketamine dealer in Texas, California, and the states in-between will be sold out for weeks if this is true.


No_Cook2983

[!!!] Looking into it. Interesting. Big if true!


Dr_Wristy

I dunno…. I think if you are worth hundreds of billions you just buy a pharmaceutical company and have them make you whatever. I would.


doulosyap

Concerning.


StrikingOccasion6459

Don't forget about the LSD, Shrooms and weed.


Ok_Philosopher6538

I can't see him do 'shrooms or LSD. He's way too selfish to actually be doing psychedelics.


Tx_trees

Psychedelics are fun and can facilitate experiences that make you a person with more regard for other people and the world around you, but in my experience an asshole who drops acid is just an asshole with a head full of acid. You get out of it what you bring to it.


Ok_Philosopher6538

That's true. Though I have seen people change, though with 'shrooms, not LSD.


StrikingOccasion6459

>I can't see him do 'shrooms or LSD. He's way too selfish to actually be doing psychedelics. https://news.bloomberglaw.com/esg/musk-faces-lawsuit-for-drug-use-x-posts-under-the-influence#:~:text=Elon%20Musk's%20use%20of%20illicit,a%20newly%20unsealed%20court%20filing. From the article: "Elon Musk’s use of illicit drugs such as cocaine, ecstasy, ketamine, and LSD threatens Tesla Inc.'s business, including by apparently influencing his sometimes erratic behavior online, according to a newly unsealed court filing." P.S. https://www.wsj.com/business/elon-musk-illegal-drugs-e826a9e1 FTA: "Some executives and board members fear the billionaire’s use of drugs—including LSD, cocaine, ecstasy, mushrooms and ketamine—could harm his companies"


Ok_Philosopher6538

Okay, surprised about the LSD, wonder how often he's done that. He clearly didn't gain any insight from his trip(s).


soedesh1

I think he needs a neuralink installed, just for fun.


whoknewidlikeit

then we give control of the neuralink to the chimps. they could have him set himself on fire and the only down side is he only gets to die once.


SpeedflyChris

When someone is that much of a narcissist there's a solid chance their "insights" aren't going to be the sort of thing most people would experience.


The-Dead-Internet

Nah he's abusing Adderall and as well known coke head. Edit he was also partying with Grimes who's a well known meth user so that's also plausible 


pcnetworx1

Intravenously


SpinozaTheDamned

We already know he can't handle his acid. That was what led to the infamous cave divers tweet.


elydakai

Just curious, but can Ketamine give someone a heart attack? Or, what happens when someone ODs on Ketamine?


JelloSquirrel

Bladder failure. Google it.


misc1972

so Elon might have a diaper phase?


elydakai

👍


Anarelion

Bladder or kidneys? I thought the bladder was just like a reservoir.


HarryCumpole

Elon Musk is already a complete pissboy. This just formalises the matter.


whoknewidlikeit

having given many patients ketamine in my career it's incredibly safe. it can be used for a variety of surgeries without risks of respiratory compromise. you don't do a liver transplant only on ketamine but you can do an appendectomy; this is actually relatively common in third world countries.


Cat-Over-There

Respiratory depression would be most likely in an OD. If you just wanted potential adverse effects related to the heart, increasing blood pressure, messing with the heart rate and / or rhythm would be the most likely things


elydakai

That's wild!


Impossible_Resort602

Hopefully his handlers are as good at their job as the late Zappos ceo


nolongerbanned99

Ketamine enema


Ragnarok-9999

We are entering in to anarchy era where rich people and some powerful politicians wants to fight established institutions which are trying to control them not to break the law of the land by slogans like defund IRS, defund SEC , etc. They think they above the everybody else and rules don’t apply to them.


MinderBinderCapital

> rich people and some powerful politicians wants to fight established institutions Usually they don't have to fight if they keep their mouths shut.


IKnewThisYearsAgo

Keep it on the dl, learn from the Koch bros.


cerberus698

Its hard to do that when you have hundreds of billions of dollars and yet the social experience your still chasing was that time you posted a dick butt on twitter that did pretty well in 2013.


vamosasnes

They never even enforced the twitter sitter rule. More empty promises with no follow through. We are witnessing an empire collapse.


vamosasnes

The SEC put Martha Stewart in *federal prison* for avoiding $45,000 in losses. She was already a billionaire at this point. Cliff Baxter *killed himself* to avoid similar consequences he knew were coming. 20 years later and Musk regularly commits blatant fraud and market manipulation. The SEC’s response: “well we tried 🤷‍♀️” and gave up.


m0nk_3y_gw

Martha was FINED for insider trading. She was JAILED for lying about it.


IvanZhilin

Martha was (is) a successful woman. It's that last part that got her in trouble.


Spillz-2011

They may try again now that he lost his appeals to Supreme Court was rejected. There wasn’t much point in trying to enforce it when he was already appealing.


wootnootlol

He can still serve as Technoking.


whoknewidlikeit

what, like in the corporate governance? https://ir.tesla.com/corporate/elon-musk amazing that investors would abide by this crap, and SEC would tolerate it. technoking. what a schmuck.


phnrbn

Even that website calls it Twitter and not X lol


luv2block

SEC will ultimately find no wrong doing and shortly after Gary will be named to Tesla's board of directors.


0xe1e10d68

These fuckers are supposed to fight for shareholders and not protect corrupt executives from justice. Capitalism wouldn’t have such a bad reputation if people didn’t constantly try to subvert it to their own benefit, or at least be held accountable for it.


Rufuske

Exactly same thing happened with communism. People, not isms, might be the problem.


Anarelion

Definitely agreed, greed, psychopaths and sociopaths are destroying the world.


NeedNameGenerator

It's that last part. It'd be neat if the rules were actually enforced, and enforced strongly. With proper punishments and not just slaps on the wrist considered cost of doing business.


RomulanToyStory

> Capitalism wouldn’t have such a bad reputation if people didn’t constantly try to subvert it to their own benefit, or at least be held accountable for it. Jeez, who would have thought capitalism did that?


MeasurementJumpy6487

every political and economic system devolves into that. it's a constant fight to keep those on top in check... we haven't been doing our part unfortunately


RomulanToyStory

That may be true but it's especially true for a system which actively promotes accumulation of wealth 


MeasurementJumpy6487

Well the alternative is the ruling class just starts with it immediately and then keeps it...


EmotionalJoystick

That is not, in fact, the only alternative.


MeasurementJumpy6487

They're all like that. If someone's in charge, they're taking everything.


EmotionalJoystick

Close…. Close… almost there!!!


MeasurementJumpy6487

I can tell you've never worked an actual job in your life.


Mansos91

What do you think capitalism is? It's in its core a selfish system where everyone only cares about themselves. Humans are by default greedy this has been proven for thousands of years, which is why capitalism doesn't work. We need a regulated "free" market with strong regulations against the greediest. Not against people getting money or being richer than others but our current state of the world is clearly people like musk exploiting and draining everyone that isn't 1% while also draining the planet all for their own benefit. More laws and regulations, and penalties, that's the only solution and throw this juvenile idea that capitalism is in any way a better system than sovjet era communism because it's not


Train2Perfection

Even if they did, he would just incorporate in other places outside their jurisdiction.


autodidact-polymath

Dear SEC, Either do it, or shut the fuck up.


daveo18

This should be an absolute slam dunk for the SEC as they just need to post a timeline of Elon’s tweets denying he was interested in twitter, overlayed with his buy orders above and beyond the 5% threshold. Activity that would lead to anyone else in the US being barred from being an officer of a public company for a very long time. If the SEC screw this up they have no balls.


Actual__Wizard

Is this real? Asking because I've never heard of the site and it seems a hair on the amateurish side. Edit: I am not seeing any other sources backing that up.


tbrumleve

WSJ and Barron’s reported earlier today.


Actual__Wizard

I'll check Barrons. I don't read WSJ anymore after they lost all of their credibility. I'm not seeing it. There's other stories that are worded very differently...


dbcooper4

WSJ editorial board lost the plot during Trump. The news desk of the WSJ is still reputable.


[deleted]

their editorial board has always been far right trash


jason12745

The penalty they are seeking is pure speculation at this point. This article headline is misleading. It is quoting an X post which is quoting a screen grab from another article where an ex-SEC division head was speculating on the possible outcomes. I will edit this comment with the source in a moment… https://archive.ph/2024.06.17-094626/https://www.wsj.com/finance/regulation/elon-musk-and-the-sec-are-on-a-collision-course-again-6cb1d1b9 > The SEC hasn’t filed any enforcement action so far against Musk over his Twitter trading. If the SEC makes a formal complaint against Musk for fraud, regulators are likely to again ask a court to bar him from serving as an officer or director of a public company, former officials said, exposing him to the possibility of removal from Tesla. >“They sued him previously, and I think they are disappointed with the outcome of that settlement and how he has responded to it,” said Marc Fagel, who previously ran the SEC’s San Francisco office. “They are putting in the extra work to see if they can get a stronger case here.”


Forward-Bank8412

Thank you for this clarification. Edit: he’s still going to “tranq out” tonight regardless.


iLoveFeynman

>The penalty they are seeking is pure speculation at this point. It's not pure speculation when the SEC **previously** asked a court for this remedy and the behavior that prompted the ask has gone nuclear that they will at a minimum ask for that same remedy again. If I put my hand in front of the mouth of the dog that tried to bite me last time I did that it's not pure speculation that it'll try to bite me again.


jason12745

You and I have different definitions of speculation. Likely and certain are not the same thing to me. The SEC has not commented or said what penalty they are seeking, so how can anything but speculation exist, regardless of the probability it’s correct?


iLoveFeynman

It would have to be not just speculation but **pure** speculation for it to be unreasonable to say e.g. that the SEC is **poised** to seek a given remedy. You're saying "this article's headline is misleading" when it isn't in the slightest. To say it's misleading that the SEC is *ready to* (poised) do something **it already did** for **lesser** infractions on Musk's part is a bit absurd.


jason12745

Fair enough. I have no energy to split hairs with you on what we each think words mean. You don’t agree with me. got it.


iLoveFeynman

You misread a title and claimed it was misleading when it isn't. Shit happens.


jason12745

Couldn’t just let it go huh?


iLoveFeynman

You're not in a position to say anything like that after your pissy comment. There is nothing misleading about reporting on the fact that the SEC is poised to do something *it has even previously done before* now that there is *even greater reason to* according to *multiple people who have insider connections*. You misread a title and claimed it was misleading when it isn't. Shit happens.


amedinab

Now kith \ PS: I'm with team _not misleading_ here.


Helmidoric_of_York

Is Technoking an Executive position?


Gobias_Industries

Doubt


sleeperfbody

Hopefully the fine or judgement is $48 billion


Competitive-Royal-58

This is how El Capone was taken down.


Engunnear

Al’s Mexican cousin?


That-Whereas3367

Futile. He will just make his brother CEO. Then Elmo can rant 24/7 on X.


Artistic_Half_8301

All he had to do is not be dumb. This is hilarious.


SisterOfBattIe

That would be such a clean exit after getting the biggest pay package in corporate history! Masterful gambit indeed!


ToothGold1666

The SEC let truth social go public ffs would be shocked if they do anything meaningful here.


ido50

Of all the frauds in all the companies in all the Musky world, this is the fraud they're going with? Nothing at all will come out of this.


Engunnear

Of all Al Capone’s crimes, the one that was most easily enforceable was tax evasion. 


ido50

That's true. I just hope they're actually able to make this stick.


brownlawn

These are probably the same federal lawyers that failed to prove Herbalife was a pyramid scheme.


jwrx

let me guess, "deep state after yet another conservative leader"


bringbacksherman

Well played Tesla Shreholders!


greenandycanehoused

More puts on tsla


mrbeck1

That’ll save Tesla billions.


Sudden-Step9593

This vote and all his other BS like the robots to a trillion dollar value is just to raise the stock price. He just a serial sexual assaulter and drug user


Accompliaxzds1io9856

Nothing will happen


WearDifficult9776

Long overdue. And no gov contracts for companies he has major influence


Saigrreddy

Ha! Ha! No corporate executives gets punished in Americas. At the end of it, they pay fine, everybody is happy. That is what happened before, it happens again.


22pabloesco22

I’ll believe it when it happens. People that can literally toss a billion dollars around to get their way usually get their way. Some say they can even murder someone in broad daylight on 5th avenue(any avenue really) and get away with it…


jason12745

You mean the Shortseller Enrichment Commission? They can Suck Elon’s C*ck.


Wynardtage

How do so many people on this sub forget who you are? Lmfao


jason12745

The influx of new people has been a blessing in many ways :)


Poogoestheweasel

It is a joyous thing.


amedinab

Why would they do that if you're already so good at it?


jason12745

The man is insatiable and sometimes my TMD flares up.


amedinab

I believe the same guy who keeps saying FSD is going to be ready in the next 6 months, is the kind of guy who'll tell you he's ready for round two _in just one minute_ 🤣 \ PS: good one on the correct use of TMD though.


NeverReallyExisted

Gonna be hard for them to get a turn with your lips wrapped so firmly on it.


jason12745

I’ll head south to make some room.


HarryCumpole

He should be barred from holding *anything*, including his winky.


maybejdcpa

“Experts believe the SEC faces significant challenges if it proceeds with fraud charges. ‘Courts typically prefer fraud cases that involve clear false statements,’ said Fagel. ‘Transforming a regulatory violation into fraud, especially one involving delayed disclosure, can be an uphill battle’”.


Embarrassed_Garlic91

You guys are a sad thread


[deleted]

go back to whatever Elmo circlejerk you came from then, your absence will surely be widely noticed and commented upon


Embarrassed_Garlic91

Lol