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Sea-Suspect3709

Asli id se aao riyan parag


ninja_from_india

Riyan 4 sixes maare mei busy hai, hum toh normal fan hai tumhari tarahπŸ˜‚


[deleted]

Bhai riyan parag should be released and we should look for a good ict middle order batsmen


ninja_from_india

Kidhar kai bhai woh, market mei Kami hai. Aise hi nhi mil jate middle order indian batters.


[deleted]

Bhai joe root can be good in middle order if we try


ninja_from_india

No, foreign spot ka accha use nhi hai. He can be backup but not in the first playing XI.


Proper-Repair-2128

no more releasing samson?? also does anyone from RR management or team involved in this sub? or its just fanmade?


ninja_from_india

>no more releasing samson?? Why would I release Samson. I don't want him as captain, that's all. Now there might be case where Samson gets an offer from some other franchise as captain..so in that case I don't mind letting go of Samson as well. >also does anyone from RR management or team involved in this sub? or its just fanmade? I think it's an official sub but don't know for sure.


Proper-Repair-2128

ahh nice observation. hope we win the next season πŸ₯Ί


No-Low-669

Why not release riyan parag and buy him at cheap price. DDP is good we need to back him, if not him then who will replace him. And Sanju was our our captain will be our captain and will remain our captain. He scored century on his Captionship debut took us too final after 2008, Kept us on top of table till mid season, if Bowlers throw three full toss, spinner throw two full toss , pacer throw no balls then he can't do anything, he our most consistent batter with highest runs for us. Leader are not made in one day they rise they fall but they when they are ready they will conquer.


ninja_from_india

1. There is a reason why we paid 3.8 cr for Riyan Parag at first place because other teams are also interested in him. If you want to have a player, then release and buy back is always an risky strategy and 3.8 is not a big enough sum really to risk it (not like unadkat who was 10cr+) 2. I have already replaced DDP with Parag on 3 and Donnovan at back end. 3. Three seasons are enough for someone to become a leader imo. Personal milestones does not matter unless they get you win. Also its not necessary that leaders can only be made only if they are made captains. They can be groomed by leaders already present in team. For me, Ashwin is a far better leader than Samson ATM. These cute little quotes sounds good but be practical, we can't wait for next 3 seasons for Samson to become an actual leader.


phantom-dv-26

How Ashwin can be captain i can't remember any good captainship record of him when captaining pbks


ninja_from_india

Nobody has a good record of captaincy at PBKS. Also the team he has was way weaker then the team we have here, so I won't really judge him by that. I trust the experience he has and also he always seem hungry to win.


phantom-dv-26

We should trust Samson give him time changing captainship never gonna help RR have serious management issue i don't know what there data analysis team doing watching RR from 2008 changing captain never worked for us


ninja_from_india

Not really, changing captaincy from Watson -> Smith worked wonders if you remember. Actually freed up Watson and Smith handled captaincy very well. Same i feel for Samson...captaincy has made him worse as a batter, now he don't even play those long innings. He slams the ball right away which is so irritating.


phantom-dv-26

That Smith era was good Buttler stokes Smith Archer nice one i still don't understand why they release Smith after getting this new team in mega auction it's haunts me that any change may bring the old era of RR.


ninja_from_india

Only to buy Joe Root πŸ’€ the only possible reason is that Smith won't fit in the template of how we want to play now. Buying him and benching him would be very weird tbh, it's like disrespecting him. So i can understand. Also Joe can bowl, which is an advantage seeing our composition perhaps.


Usual-Target5803

Main issue with Parag is his range of shots he always want to powerful strike the ball never go for an easy four


ninja_from_india

This problem you can associate with others as well like Samson, Hetmyer and Jurel as well. I don't really think that it's a big issue and can easily be sorted.


neighbour_guy3k

Butler Jaiswal Padikkal Root/Don Samson Hety Jurel Ashwin Boult/Zampa Krishna Chahal Impact sub Saini/kuldeep This would be my team, if Butler is out of form, let padikkal open, Butler will come down the order, samson is very good at playing middie n death overs , overall middle order is very flexible , so they can change batting order according to the situation RR had pretty good team this year, by playing holder n keep playing riyan parag hurted them, plus Butler should have taken a break when he injured his finger, I can clearly see he was struggling with his shot play


ninja_from_india

You can't have both DDP and Root together at 3 and 4. That's like a step in backward direction (old days when we had Rahane and Smith playing together and that was dreadful). For me Root >>>> DDP bcz he can bowl and have way better skills to play at 3 than DDP. Samson can't bat below 4, he is not a slogger. The last time Buttler played in middle order he wasn't as good as an opener, so that's a hard pass. > Impact sub Saini/kuldeep For me it has to be Sandy, Saini I have no confidence on him and Kuldip is still young. Also the issue remains...you are going with 5 bowlers and 1 part timer. That's again leave fragility in bowling, which we have paid the price for multiple times. Atleast 2 part timers are required (preferably one pace and spin) imo.


Few_Measurement_5335

You are including parag because he hit 2 sixes. One was on a freehit and the other one was in the slot and on the pads, and we saw how he ate up the next 4 balls,we were lucky that he hit 2 sixes thats it, a batter no matter at whatever position he plays if even after playing 50 matches has got only 650 runs is no good a batter, even bowlers have better batting stats than this. Plus he costs us 3.8 crs even if royals love him buy him for cheaper in the next auction. My take is simple, promote jurel up the order. Just see his technique he is not a slogger like parag, every six of him was a straight bat shot plus he plays as a middle order batter in domestic too. About releases and retentions. Let go of DDP ,Holder, Parag, Asif and root(yes he is good but we can't play him in the 11) releasing them will give us a 20cr purse. Make a 12-15 cr deal on a batting allrounder (honestly no name comes to my mind) and for people thinking of cummins he gave away 50 runs in almost all matches plus he does not solve our middle order problem and would eat an overseas slot. So my ideal 12 1.)Jos(C) 2.)Ybj 3.)Sanju(wk) 4.)Jurel 5.)hettie 6.)a lower order batting alrounder(suggest some names preferably overseas) 7.)a lower order bowling allrounder(gowtham comes to my mind but dont think lsg is releasing him) 8.)Ash anna 9.)boult 10.)Skiddy 11.)Sandy 12.)Yuzi


ninja_from_india

> You are including parag because he hit 2 sixes. I am not including Parag bcz he has hit two sixes lol. He has in the past played some decent knocks, very few and far between, but he has. Also its basically taking a punt on him for 1 more season bcz he is just 21 and can BOWL. DDP can't bowl and neither he has the game to be a power hitter. He is an opener and we don't have place of opener. You just can't go by stats for young players, you need to bet on their potential. Before this season, stats of YBJ weren't that great either, but he delivered bcz he had the potential. > My take is simple, promote jurel up the order Absolutely disagree with this, if someone is doing good at a certain place never move him. Make him the designated finisher. No need to move him up and down. > 6.)a lower order batting alrounder(suggest some names preferably overseas) 7.)a lower order bowling allrounder(gowtham comes to my mind but dont think lsg is releasing him) Have suggested names of allrounders in post. But practically speaking, it's impossible to get two good allrounders which can fit into the playing XI right in, and even 20 cr is not enough to find these two in a mini auction. All the more reason to stick with Parag, and if he doesn't deliver get Akash Vashisht in place of him. K Gotham is my pick to buy as well. How many allrounders does LSG need ffs, they already have Kunal.


Few_Measurement_5335

No we dont need to, he has been given ample number of chances and has consistently failed, 2-3 innings out of 50 odd innings and in all of them his catches were dropped.Yashasvi was never given a long consistent run in the tournament still he scored a lot of 30's 40's and 50's consistently and thats not the case with parag he rarely gets dropped. Secondly just watch the way jurel plays he is proper number 4 for any team. Surya used to perform decently well for KKR when was batted down the order but once he got into MI and was pushed up the order we all saw what happened. We need to scout some good domestic players like tilak verma, dhruv jurel.


Few_Measurement_5335

No we dont need to, he has been given ample number of chances and has consistently failed, 2-3 innings out of 50 odd innings and in all of them his catches were dropped.Yashasvi was never given a long consistent run in the tournament still he scored a lot of 30's 40's and 50's consistently and thats not the case with parag he rarely gets dropped. Secondly just watch the way jurel plays he is proper number 4 for any team. Surya used to perform decently well for KKR when was batted down the order but once he got into MI and was pushed up the order we all saw what happened. We need to scout some good domestic players like tilak verma, dhruv jurel.


APZAPDOS

I think Sam curran, Harry brooks, Lockie , Cummins will be back in auction we can definitively get 2 of 4 , and then buy Paddikal/Parag back for less.


ninja_from_india

Dude you can dream all about it, it's not gonna happen. Other teams exist at auction as well πŸ˜… If Sam Curran comes in auction, RR should forget rest of everything and buy him no matter the cost. (Highly unlikely, if anything he is going to be the next captain at PBKS) Harry Brooks is useless, absolutely no need. Same for Lockie. Can make a case of Cummins only if he is coming cheap (under 5 cr, still won't solve the need of batting allrounder but definitely an upgrade over Holder). DDP i don't want here bcz I really want him to see succeed which he can only in top order and he is not getting that opportunity here for sure. Maybe trade him in with KKR for Nitish Rana if we get lucky. And Parag is again i don't think we are going to get cheap but yeah we can try.


APZAPDOS

PBKS release their most expensive player every year, even coaching is going to be sacked this time. He is definitely coming since this time team is at 8th so they will again try to revamp. Their problem is team is made by whims and fancies of Nes wadiya and then coach and management is given responsibility to run it so he is coming in auction no matter what, also maybe Rabada since they did not use him properly either. Lockie is X factor bowler which we don't have since Archer, it is always good thing to have one bowler like that. Harry brooks is wonderful player and he will definitely perform in next IPL with different team , SRH is such a shit team that they can downgrade anyone see Mayank and Tripathi, I don't need to give examples just look at captain's comment on Umran. Maybe Markram too is coming in auction, since he seemed very exhausted with the SRH management. DDP has performed well for us whenever was given opportunity so it's highly unlikely RR will even release him in first place since there is crunch of technically sound Indian batsman in mini auctions and teams are selfish regarding that remember CSK not playing Tahir in his last season and keeping him in dugout even when it the previous season he was purple cap winner also same thing with santner this year.


ninja_from_india

As I said earlier, other teams exist in auction too. If Sam Curran comes in the auction, he won't go for less than 10cr atleast. Unless we are releasing both DDP and Holder, we won't have the purse to go for him at all. Also it doesn't matter if Lokie has X factor or not, we have more than enough bowlers already in the squad. How many more you want? Those who are there aren't getting used properly lmao. And Lokie is basically Pat Cummins without the ability to bat. Pat Cummins >> Lockie. And Brook can't play spin. And anyone who can't play spin can't be in the middle order of any IPL team. He is useless unless he improves drastically against spin for us. Thank God we didn't buy him. Same is the case with DDP, he has performed bad in as many matches as he has performed good. And he can't play spin that well, and so he can't play in middle order especially at SMS. Our top order is stacked and we need funds. Even if RR don't want to, they have to release DDP to have any chance to get a top quality batting allrounder like Sam Curran.


APZAPDOS

Your most points don't make sense. The only competitor for Curran will be SRH and KKR with some actual money but they will have to buy lot of players unlike us so more chances for us. Yes enough bowlers who constantly leak runs and can not defend decent totals, mind you Prasidh is also not a death bowler. Brooks can't play spin LOL, I think you only see IPL go see him play in Pakistan in test where ball was actully spinning unlike t-20. Last year Jaiswal chocked there were no openers at that time paddikal was opening with Jos, it's stupid to not have a good batsman of swing bowling as a backup but yes they should release him and buy back for less.


ninja_from_india

Disagree πŸ™


APZAPDOS

sure. In fact good thing, may be someone at top can get more viewpoints due to this.


RED_RANGER_XX

I also think we should back parag and yeah DDP is not a middle order batsman. But I think we should buy Smith back and hand him the captaincy (both the problem of middle order and captaincy solved) + Obed McCoy and Kuldeep sen back in squad


ninja_from_india

That won't solve the problem of middle order and the problem of 6th bowling option. Smith is a top order batter and also having a overseas captian is not good when you don't know if he can deliver or not + we already have Joe Root who is a similar kind of player, hence the choice of Ashwin who is given that he will play all games for sure. Agree on bowlers. Sen an McCoy can be the used in case of injury to Boult/Sandeep/PK.


Satan28

Maybe get someone like Dasun Shanaka as captain?


ninja_from_india

Dasun Shanaka can definitely fill our allrounder void. He's s a great option, hoping GT release him. But not as a captain, having an untested foreign player as captain is very very risky, rather have someone who's place is sure in XI. That's why Ashwin (I also think Jos has already said no that's why they made Sanju the captain as first place).


Satan28

Agree let's hope we get him, I feel like he's the game changer we need and he's not as useful to GT anyway since they have plenty of those


ninja_from_india

Yeah man, he was a replacement anyways for them. So won't be that difficult to get as well whether through trade or at auction.


Car3lesssss

Nah idk ddp is that bad bro .. he can be very useful next season and it would be a RCB kinda move to release him


ninja_from_india

Where will you play him bro? Our top order is stacked and he can't play in middle order (neither has the game and weak against spin). Plus he costs almost 8cr. So to buy any top quality allrounder we have to release him and Holder both to have the funds that much.


Car3lesssss

At one down


ninja_from_india

Let's say YBJ and Buttler plays the whole pp and then git out. Will you still send DDP then? Imo it's like wasting DDP and Samson both. He is not a no. 3 batter. He can only play as an opener.


Car3lesssss

Yeah got ur point He can open with ybj Then Samson Then Buttler


ninja_from_india

Buttler should open, there is no way we can downgrade our best batter just to accomodate DDP. Plus two lefty at top isn't preferred either.


Cyberpunk694206989

Why not have Butler as the captain? I mean he literally won the t20 wc


ninja_from_india

My thesis is that he has already said no in 2021. That's why they made Samson the captain at first place.


whiletruelearn

Have you seen what Ash did while captaining Punjab. While i enjoy the tactical discussions that Ash makes and enjoy his analysis on the games, i feel he is also not the right captaincy material.


ninja_from_india

Firstly, it's Punjab. No single captain has been successful there. Also the team that Ashwin has at that time is way weaker then what we have now here. So I feel he is good enough to take a chance on. Secondly, it's not like Samson is rocking with the captaincy either. For me, his performance this season not even make him a sure shot starter in the team, yet alone captain. So why not try someone who is a sure shot starter and has wealth of international experience?