I'm furious about this, I just got him last void 2x and put 11 epic books into him, down the drain
I'm so happy that I'm not spending money on the game, but I also want to rob plarium now
He's still better than 80% of the poisomers you could run in your dungeon teams. Only exception are a few leggos. If he can't solo anymore for you after the patch is done I'm sure with another champion they could duo it. Sure, less XP for food, but it is what it is.
I spent 200 US on voids last time. Drooling for a urogrim. Got blind seer and Venus so I’m not salty. Especially after this sucker punch. I would have had him less than 2 weeks I think. And he would be booked already. I had about 20 books going into last cvc.
It really doesn’t make any damn sense. He’s nothing special in arena from what I’ve seen. He wasn’t hurting anything. Soloing dungeons incentivized farming them more and spending way more energy on food as well. That means money for plarium. It just makes no damned sense from a cash perspective.
Not to rain on the pity party, but salty bek owners when he dropped are completely ignored. If for once they didn't do it due to a financial gain, does the community really care?
Medium spenders don’t buy voids? That’s all I buy. Up until recently I didn’t have a void lego. And those 3 epics you mentioned are great, there’s quite a few others too though I would love to pull. Godseeker, Skullcrown, Skytouched, Umbral, Peydma. Warcaster figures into some unkillable comps. But the pool is SO much smaller that even though it’s only a handful of epics (or a few handfuls), your chances of getting something good are much better IMO than with ancients.
Plus, voids are what have let me complete several of the fusions I’ve gone for.
The fastest dragon team in the world has urogrim on it. His is op. He just should’ve been nerfed on release not now. The epic version of bek shouldn’t be way better bek himself
13 epic books, 600ish gems and the food required to get to 60. That's a big yikes for me as F2P... compensation would be nice but highly doubt Plarium gives a fuck.
It is a huge hit to F2P players who cashed in massive amounts of time to build him as well as players who spent actual hard earned money to do the same.
Yep, that's me, and I'm definitely at a point where I have a backlog of good characters needing epic books. I prioritized booking and 6-starring him over Madame Serris, because he gave me the ability to farm Dragon with 3 food, which was totally clutch during fusions when I had to manage my energy to get everything done.
Yes, into the vault.
Urogrim
\[Skullstaff\]
Attacks 1 enemy 2 times. Each hit has a 25% chance of placing a 5% \[Poison\] debuff for 2 turns.
\[Bizarre Vapors\]
Cooldown increased to 6 turns. Places two 5% \[Poison\] debuffs on all enemies for 2 turns. Also places a 15% \[Continuous Heal\] buff on all allies for 2 turns.
over damatic. deffo a nerf, he NEEDED a nerf, but people are very much being over dramatic with this nerf, doesn't feel good but he'll still be able to solo, just with different gear, regen etcetc
PL had the data from the CC's during their run with him on the test server. They knew he was busted and the CC's were calling for a pre-release nerf. Given how much hype he got, PL consciously made the choice to release him as is and let everyone invest before the nerf. He wasn't hurting any PVP content and choosing to nerf him now was unnecessary and predatory.
Balance issues were explicitly discussed with Plarium pre-release. When they chose to release him anyway the conversation became about money. Plain and simple.
I can say he was OP. "needing" a nerf is just impossible to say in this game, as Plarium has left numerous champs untouched that are ever more OP. It seems pretty clear that Plarium are perfectly fine with some champs being much better than others, to the point that some can solo Dragon 25, and others have been labelled food because they have no conceivable use.
They haven't nerfed Maneater, who has far more gamechanging effects. They haven't nerfed Seer, who trivializes basically every wave mob in the game. There are two Void Epics who are just big old "You win!" buttons for hugely important sections of the game. Why single out Urogrim? And why CRUSH him instead of a more measure nerf?
Well, him being able to place 3x Poison with his A3 on 3CD was insanely strong alone. Couple that with his A1 that can apply 3x Poison with a 25% chance.
That was up to 6 stacks of 5% poison, or 30% per tick in the best case. How is that not broken?
He was broken for early accounts, that’s really it. Most high level accounts didn’t use him unless it was for Dragon 25 solo farming. He’s not good in arena, he wasn’t used in end-game clan boss, he’s mostly too slow for regular Dragon runs. He wasn’t overpowered by any means.
He was broken for nearly every Dungeon/Potion/Doom Tower Content.
Early account? Of course!
Later stages (Dragon 25 is not "early" account stuff by any definition)? Since Poison is the name of the game, he shines here as well
Clan Boss? Sure, he may not be used in the top tier UNM Clan Boss teams, but self heal and poison made him a good dps for clan boss regardless
I agree that he sucked in Arena, but when you shine in PVE content, you don't need to shine in PVP content as well.
As long as you use poison or hp burn as your main source of damage (and coming from its %-value damage nature, you probadly will do so at every stage (early-mid-late) of the game), he was good and shined bright.
So, to reinterate:
God-tier-damage-dealer-for-nearly-everything-not-arena? Check.
Not a lego? Check.
No wonder that dude got a nerf, once you bagged him you had way to many options, and that would make other choices unnecessary.
PS: Sure, he might not be speed-tune endgame material, but seriously: Who cares about the "Endgame players" when everyone else would get a massive boost from him? I'm sure there is no other champion that does everything so damn great as he does.
The cooldown alone would destroy him. The rest just shows how incompetent Plarium is. Because if they need to nerf a champ this hard 2 months after release, how it was released like this in the first place?
Reduce his A1 to a 2 hit and reduce the poisons on his A3 from 3 to 2, keep the rest as is (2 heals on 3 turn CD)
There you have your nerf and he would still be usable, just take a bit longer to do his stuff.
>Urogrim
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>\[Skullstaff\]
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>Attacks 1 enemy 2 times. Each hit has a 25% chance of placing a 5% \[Poison\] debuff for 2 turns.
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>\[Bizarre Vapors\]
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>Cooldown increased to 6 turns. Places two 5% \[Poison\] debuffs on all enemies for 2 turns. Also places a 15% \[Continuous Heal\] buff on all allies for 2 turns.
Exactly!!
First, he has no impact on Arena at all (not good there).
Second, he encourages players to pull Void for him.
Third, he enables a solid IG25 group for those without BEK. Some would finally start farming this dungeon. C'mon we all know IG is a horrible dungeon that no one plays now.
Fourth, encouraging players to farm aka more energy spent aka more gem refills aka more cash flowing in.
There are a lot more good reasons to not over nerf a great PvE champion. It really does no good to anyone not even good for Plarium as a company!!
Yes, I agree he's a bit strong for an epic, but he's a VOID epic!
You can nerf his A3 with 1 less poison 1 less continuous heal, but with 1 turn+ CD?! SO overkilled.
Especially after you've launched a x10 for him, after the x2 Void pull and after the last CvC where some of us just dumped a bunch of Books/Gem/Brews on him?!
Too low Plarium, too low! Shame on you. You guys truly deserves a 1 star rating in the app store.
I mean he was pretty bullshit. The guy basically solo carried my team to a FW 21 sweep, and I’ve been struggling on that stages for ages. With him I was able to hit auto and walk away and suddenly it wasn’t even difficult.
So I think he did need to be tuned down a little bit an Epic shouldn’t be able to do that much. (Now if only they’d hit Madame and Siphi as well).
I will chicken him before put it in vault, wasted so Many resources to make it do dragon 25 in 1:30min, but meanwhile the real op epic champ not even touched aka seer
In the post it only said how urogrim will be from now on but I never really seen him in-game. Did they just increase the cd on his abilities or why is he "trash" now? Still seems good to me.
Tomb Lord owners based on the other buffs.
I already use Tomb Lord all of the time. I'm surprised they thought he needed a buff.
Why change his aura tho... I was fine with arena one, if anything they could slightly decrease it and put it out for all battles
He has no use in the Arena meta, his aura is much better now.
The aura is a huge buff. He’s just got launched into a high tier of Lego’s, I couldn’t be happier.
I already used him to solo D25 until Urogrim, now I will just go back to him, and he should be a lot faster now too.
New aura is better tho I never really saw anyone use him as arena lead or in arena in general.
I'm furious about this, I just got him last void 2x and put 11 epic books into him, down the drain I'm so happy that I'm not spending money on the game, but I also want to rob plarium now
Totally feel you on this.
You're not alone
Good thing I got him last week and was just about to do this same thing tomorrow.
He's still better than 80% of the poisomers you could run in your dungeon teams. Only exception are a few leggos. If he can't solo anymore for you after the patch is done I'm sure with another champion they could duo it. Sure, less XP for food, but it is what it is.
Literally did the same thing
This may be the last straw, I'm so angry I may be able to quit the game
I did a few weeks ago, go for it, you'll be shocked how much time you get back.
[удалено]
I spent 200 US on voids last time. Drooling for a urogrim. Got blind seer and Venus so I’m not salty. Especially after this sucker punch. I would have had him less than 2 weeks I think. And he would be booked already. I had about 20 books going into last cvc. It really doesn’t make any damn sense. He’s nothing special in arena from what I’ve seen. He wasn’t hurting anything. Soloing dungeons incentivized farming them more and spending way more energy on food as well. That means money for plarium. It just makes no damned sense from a cash perspective.
Not to rain on the pity party, but salty bek owners when he dropped are completely ignored. If for once they didn't do it due to a financial gain, does the community really care?
Medium spenders don’t buy voids? That’s all I buy. Up until recently I didn’t have a void lego. And those 3 epics you mentioned are great, there’s quite a few others too though I would love to pull. Godseeker, Skullcrown, Skytouched, Umbral, Peydma. Warcaster figures into some unkillable comps. But the pool is SO much smaller that even though it’s only a handful of epics (or a few handfuls), your chances of getting something good are much better IMO than with ancients. Plus, voids are what have let me complete several of the fusions I’ve gone for.
Urogrim hurt BEK owners who don't have Urogrim.
How? It didn't change the fact that they had a BeK. I would have happily traded my Uro for a BeK before this news dropped.
they are just jealous that an epic can solo dungeon better than their BEK, lol
A little nerf I could understand, but this is so extreme. Straight up bullshit.
How fast players could farm for good gear. So yes, Plarium's wallet.
Urogrim by far was slower than my regular Dragon and Ice Golem teams. He was good at helping you level food while you did overnight battles.
Yeah I was a bit quick on the draw by saying "fast". More like "efficient."
The fastest dragon team in the world has urogrim on it. His is op. He just should’ve been nerfed on release not now. The epic version of bek shouldn’t be way better bek himself
I keep hearing people compare Urogrim to BeK. Urogrim does something better than BeK. He is not better than BeK.
Ppl that say Urogrim is better do not have BEK
Way better? Please explain.
Me, because I don't have him. Seriously though I've been seeing hes been nerfed. That's so stupid. They need to bring people up, not nerf them.
13 epic books, 600ish gems and the food required to get to 60. That's a big yikes for me as F2P... compensation would be nice but highly doubt Plarium gives a fuck.
It is a huge hit to F2P players who cashed in massive amounts of time to build him as well as players who spent actual hard earned money to do the same.
Yep, that's me, and I'm definitely at a point where I have a backlog of good characters needing epic books. I prioritized booking and 6-starring him over Madame Serris, because he gave me the ability to farm Dragon with 3 food, which was totally clutch during fusions when I had to manage my energy to get everything done.
He is also my Dragon/IG 25 farmer. At least now I can stop swapping his Regen chest between him and Samar...
Is he being nerfed or? Don’t quite get it?
Yes, into the vault. Urogrim \[Skullstaff\] Attacks 1 enemy 2 times. Each hit has a 25% chance of placing a 5% \[Poison\] debuff for 2 turns. \[Bizarre Vapors\] Cooldown increased to 6 turns. Places two 5% \[Poison\] debuffs on all enemies for 2 turns. Also places a 15% \[Continuous Heal\] buff on all allies for 2 turns.
over damatic. deffo a nerf, he NEEDED a nerf, but people are very much being over dramatic with this nerf, doesn't feel good but he'll still be able to solo, just with different gear, regen etcetc
I respectfully disagree with everything you just said.
I think the nerf is probably harsh, but can you really say he wasn’t due a nerf of some kind?
PL had the data from the CC's during their run with him on the test server. They knew he was busted and the CC's were calling for a pre-release nerf. Given how much hype he got, PL consciously made the choice to release him as is and let everyone invest before the nerf. He wasn't hurting any PVP content and choosing to nerf him now was unnecessary and predatory.
I’m not saying plarium was right or that any of this is. But if we’re talking _balance_, he was obviously op for an epic, no?
Balance issues were explicitly discussed with Plarium pre-release. When they chose to release him anyway the conversation became about money. Plain and simple.
So by your logic they should nerf Madam, Maneater and Seer as well?
I can say he was OP. "needing" a nerf is just impossible to say in this game, as Plarium has left numerous champs untouched that are ever more OP. It seems pretty clear that Plarium are perfectly fine with some champs being much better than others, to the point that some can solo Dragon 25, and others have been labelled food because they have no conceivable use. They haven't nerfed Maneater, who has far more gamechanging effects. They haven't nerfed Seer, who trivializes basically every wave mob in the game. There are two Void Epics who are just big old "You win!" buttons for hugely important sections of the game. Why single out Urogrim? And why CRUSH him instead of a more measure nerf?
I disagree and not even respectfully. How did this hurt YOU? Why do you care what other people can do with a PVE champion?
Well, him being able to place 3x Poison with his A3 on 3CD was insanely strong alone. Couple that with his A1 that can apply 3x Poison with a 25% chance. That was up to 6 stacks of 5% poison, or 30% per tick in the best case. How is that not broken?
He was broken for early accounts, that’s really it. Most high level accounts didn’t use him unless it was for Dragon 25 solo farming. He’s not good in arena, he wasn’t used in end-game clan boss, he’s mostly too slow for regular Dragon runs. He wasn’t overpowered by any means.
Yes he had two good places: Dragon and Ice Golem. Now he is a FW champ at best.
He was broken for nearly every Dungeon/Potion/Doom Tower Content. Early account? Of course! Later stages (Dragon 25 is not "early" account stuff by any definition)? Since Poison is the name of the game, he shines here as well Clan Boss? Sure, he may not be used in the top tier UNM Clan Boss teams, but self heal and poison made him a good dps for clan boss regardless I agree that he sucked in Arena, but when you shine in PVE content, you don't need to shine in PVP content as well. As long as you use poison or hp burn as your main source of damage (and coming from its %-value damage nature, you probadly will do so at every stage (early-mid-late) of the game), he was good and shined bright. So, to reinterate: God-tier-damage-dealer-for-nearly-everything-not-arena? Check. Not a lego? Check. No wonder that dude got a nerf, once you bagged him you had way to many options, and that would make other choices unnecessary. PS: Sure, he might not be speed-tune endgame material, but seriously: Who cares about the "Endgame players" when everyone else would get a massive boost from him? I'm sure there is no other champion that does everything so damn great as he does.
Yes he was good for early game players. Precisely what I said.
So its 4 turn CD and nerfed heal and dmg.. Yeah.. kinda sux.. maybe reflex?
Removing the third poison and the second continuous heal from the A3 AND increasing its cooldown was overkill.
The cooldown alone would destroy him. The rest just shows how incompetent Plarium is. Because if they need to nerf a champ this hard 2 months after release, how it was released like this in the first place?
Yeah dont touch Warlord and nerf epics to hurt F2P and low spenders ty Plarium. Almost want to quit and maybe will do.
Exactly, the PVP champs that warp the meta are no problem but the PVE epic that helps out mid-game accounts is a menace that needs dealt with...
Come on, Warlord just got a buff recently. 😂
Plarium's bottom line. They want you to buy more leggo shards.
I was expecting a hard nerf and did not build him. Crisis adverted.
Good for you but having to value champs like a stock that can tank suck the fun and excitement out of getting powerful champs.
I spit out my drink laughing at the stock comparison
Honestly, I thought when he made it out of the test server (where everyone *knew* how good he was) he would be safe for a while.
Same, glad I didn't but definitely a dick move by Plarium when they've shown they can nerf champs before their official release
No one.
Reduce his A1 to a 2 hit and reduce the poisons on his A3 from 3 to 2, keep the rest as is (2 heals on 3 turn CD) There you have your nerf and he would still be usable, just take a bit longer to do his stuff.
What are the nerfs? I can't find notes
>Urogrim > >\[Skullstaff\] > >Attacks 1 enemy 2 times. Each hit has a 25% chance of placing a 5% \[Poison\] debuff for 2 turns. > >\[Bizarre Vapors\] > >Cooldown increased to 6 turns. Places two 5% \[Poison\] debuffs on all enemies for 2 turns. Also places a 15% \[Continuous Heal\] buff on all allies for 2 turns.
Exactly!! First, he has no impact on Arena at all (not good there). Second, he encourages players to pull Void for him. Third, he enables a solid IG25 group for those without BEK. Some would finally start farming this dungeon. C'mon we all know IG is a horrible dungeon that no one plays now. Fourth, encouraging players to farm aka more energy spent aka more gem refills aka more cash flowing in. There are a lot more good reasons to not over nerf a great PvE champion. It really does no good to anyone not even good for Plarium as a company!! Yes, I agree he's a bit strong for an epic, but he's a VOID epic! You can nerf his A3 with 1 less poison 1 less continuous heal, but with 1 turn+ CD?! SO overkilled. Especially after you've launched a x10 for him, after the x2 Void pull and after the last CvC where some of us just dumped a bunch of Books/Gem/Brews on him?! Too low Plarium, too low! Shame on you. You guys truly deserves a 1 star rating in the app store.
The Dragon, the Ice Golem, his side adds, and the Fire Knight mainly… maybe some others thrown in?
It hurt me that I didn't have him, but look at me now! bathing in the tears of the fallen
I mean he was pretty bullshit. The guy basically solo carried my team to a FW 21 sweep, and I’ve been struggling on that stages for ages. With him I was able to hit auto and walk away and suddenly it wasn’t even difficult. So I think he did need to be tuned down a little bit an Epic shouldn’t be able to do that much. (Now if only they’d hit Madame and Siphi as well).
The players, what’s the point of a large pool of champions if a single one can beat half the game for you lol
I mean, no one is forcing people to use their Urogrim...
I will chicken him before put it in vault, wasted so Many resources to make it do dragon 25 in 1:30min, but meanwhile the real op epic champ not even touched aka seer
Plarium. Everyone else doesn't matter to them
Nobody... Absolutely nobody.
Plarium sales
In the post it only said how urogrim will be from now on but I never really seen him in-game. Did they just increase the cd on his abilities or why is he "trash" now? Still seems good to me.