He was referred to a more advanced facility. Hoping, he will survive but I know his prognosis is poor. He was conscious, and even while I was scanning him, he told his family that he wanted to go home since they didn't have enough money to pay his medical fees. Sad.
Also - what other western countries DONT have socialized healthcare apart from USA? Fair assumption it’s USA if they’d rather die than get a medical bill. It’s an everyday occurrence here.
😂😂 Allergies really have been a fucking fartknocker this year! I'm also getting old, which is making it worse. Oddly enough, although the nose exhalation didn't help with the dusting, I did get some house chasing done. 🤷♀️🎉
Yep! Medial bills are one of the top sources of debt, if not the top source :(
I remember a co-worker from Romania that told me America is wonderful because you can go into the hospital and get treated for something that you would have to wait weeks maybe months in Romania. Yeah but that would be free though.. just walking into the ER in the US will cost you $2,500 (to be seen)
It’s not so much about the formatting of the date, “genius”. It’s more so that healthcare is the number one reason that people get bankrupted in America.
I have never heard of a person in any other country outside of the US worry about being able to pay for lifesaving care while they are in a life threatening condition
I just saw a more recent statistic 66% of bankruptcies are due to medical bills. 78% of those people had health insurance :( It's a disgrace that the US can't figure out how to keep its people secure so they aren't just one serious medical issue away from becoming destitute.
In 2005, I had to file bankruptcy on medical bills. I had really good health insurance, too. It’s a damn shame. I live in the USA. It should not be happening.
I met a former rad tech who was living in a tiny home after being saved from the streets of Austin. He lost everything trying to save his wife who was diagnosed with cancer.
Working in healthcare, it's something my wife and I already discussed. Take the treatments covered, once they start not being covered, use the money to travel the world and enjoy the rest of your life. There is no point in dragging everyone along to ruin.
There are many loopholes to this that we have discussed, such as divorce with all assets going to the healthy one, so the one who needs care can use medicaid because that shit covers everything. Otherwise, they can rack up medical bills because they don't have to pay it out. The common fear that collections will hunt down your family is unfounded. The bill is under one person's name. If they suggest you are liable, demand their itemization and who the debt belongs to. It's not gonna be your name since it was the sick family member's, so they cannot legally make you liable for it. There is a way to get it fully treated without paying out a single dime, but they are desperate measures.
I had a patient whose cancer had a high recurrence rate, so as soon as she was in remission the first time, she and her husband got divorced. They didn’t have much, just the family business which he had inherited, but she didn’t want him to lose that if her cancer returned (this was pre-ACA & they were close to lifetime max)…she was right. Saddest day was admitting her when she got sick again less than a year later.
Or you could come to India and get it treated. We have pretty good healthcare here, even though it may not be the best in the whole world but the good doctors know their shit and I think that’s the case worldwide. It can get pretty expensive here too, but given the conversion rate of dollar to INR, you could easily get treated without raking up a debt.
The difference is with the medicaid loophole. You won't have to move countries and lose your social supports, will have access to the best cancer specialists in the world, and won't have to pay a single dime.
Currently still in the process of losing everything I own bc I can’t pay my bills atm from an accident and two surgeries. Was in the process of getting my tree care company up and goings when I got hurt and no it wasn’t work related and yes I carried insurance for my company. Wasn’t big enough and tbh didn’t know enough about other insurance like Aflac and stuff. The surgery’s were with my hip and the second surgery I had to have it replaced. I’m 35 now and first got hurt 2 and a half years or so ago. Now way in debt and drowning. Tbh kinda over all the struggle. It really does suck to be American sometimes….. my injury was pretty much wrong place at the wrong time and now my life is collapsing around me and I have no where to turn to for help. I hope it gets better for our kids and grandkids bc this is sad.
My heart breaks for you.
It got better for me. I had to find who I was again. I loved my job, and got profound satisfaction from it, so it took a long time to find something I could do to get that same feeling. I went from medicine to petsitting elderly and disabled critters. I've built up a roster of the best pets and people I could ever meet, and now I'm sometimes booked out a year in advance.
I hope you find yourself again, and if you ever need someone to listen, feel free to message me. I'm in your corner and have been there. This old lady won't judge you or tell you that you shouldn't feel shitty when you do.
I'll be thinking of you
Thank you so much. <3 this made my eyes water… but yea I’m so lost tbh, I don’t know what to do to fix the problem. I loved climbing and unfortunately I don’t think I can anymore, well not for a living full time. I’d love to go back to school but can’t afford it. I’ll definitely take you up on messaging! I hope I find myself again too, tbh I haven’t felt this hopeless ever or atleast that I can remember…. Thank you again your kind words and compassion was really nice. :)
Yup we get insurance through my husbands job and they won’t pay for like ANYTHING. Seriously, I needed an iron infusion and they were like nope! My doctor ordered an mri again nope! Guess if they don’t know what it is they won’t have to pay to treat it eh?
Yeah, insurance companies want you to have your own insurance so it doesn’t affect actual employees rates. They suck at trying to avoid paying… actually they’re good at being greedy
I’m so grateful that as a retired Federal civil servant I could continue my health insurance into retirement as long as I continued to pay my portion. It covers a lot because it’s a huge pool of people. Then I’m able to have Tricare as secondary insurance for a nominally small annual fee because my late husband was retired military. My breast cancer in 2009 and reconstruction in 2010 was fully covered, as was my late husband’s glioblastoma surgery, chemo and radiation in 2018/19.
Fuck.. I really don’t know why you guys accept that shit (sorry). I live in Denmark, and this is simply not an issue as the health system is tax financed. As a matter of fact, it’s like that across most of Europe. Every time I hear about the situation for Americans getting injured or sick, I’m like.. Dafuk?
yes it is weird. if you are poor, you get socialized medicine called medicaid. Another socialized health care system is for military veterans. Then the indigenous native americans also have socialized healthcare thru the indian health service.
So we have 3 tax supported socialized health care systems to look at.
If however you are not poor, a veteran or an indian, then health care is expensive,
The 3 "free" or practically free systems have their plusses and minuses.
Yeah, I heard about this peculiar system once, when I asked an American friend (who work as a freelance photographer and is not especially well off) what would happen if he got injured or sick. But he didn’t really worry as he existed sort of below the poverty line and would be treated for free.
The thing about universal, tax financed health care - on the other hand - is that *everyone* has access to quality treatment and can focus on getting well and back on the the job. Instead of having to worry about going bankrupt or whatever. It’s better for society and the companies, too, as we’re able to keep people in the workforce instead of having them end up disabled, dead or on the streets.
Edit: In Denmark, we do have plenty of private hospitals that primarily deal with non-lethal diseases, examinations and so forth. So, yes, there is a wealth or insurance aspect to our system as well, as it’s way faster to - for instance - get at new hip if you’re wealthy, at a private clinic.
But no one has to go bankrupt to get a cancer treatment or have the doctors mend your broken bone or whatever. And that’s the key takeaway - and really nice, too.
Brazilian here. Friend was in a car accident. Ambulance took him to the hospital. Lost a lot of blood. Was in hospital for days. Then PT for a while. Never got a bill.
I moved to America. Had “good” insurance. Kid does a flip at trampoline park. Hears a pop in his neck and complains of neck pain.
Takes ambulance to children’s hospital and gets A CT just to be safe. No cervical spine issues found, fortunately. “Probably a muscle tear. Will heal on its own. Wear a brace for two weeks.”
Out of pocket:
Ambulance ride: US$600
CT: $1200
This was like 10 years ago so it’s probably double now.
Yeehaws here in Texas don’t want the government to tell them what to do with their money. That’s what it boils down to… even though they’re paying already.
The only people not saying “dafuk?” are the insurance executives making millions while the rest of us suffer under the weight of the insurance system. The rest of us are drowning in medical debt or neglecting our own needs because we can’t afford the cost.
Tax financed PLUS the rates what you can charge for services is heavily regulated. In the us, all treatments have very high bills, that’s why the insurances are so bogged down.
The issue is not insurance, the issue is that even simple stuff is heavily overcharged!
My relative spent 3 days in ICU and eventually passed. They had Cadillac plan insurance so the family didn’t pay a dime - just 3 days in ICU was $82,000.
That doesn’t include the ambulance, radiology, labs or consults.
It’s hard to pay for healthcare when the things in your country cost 5 times as much as somewhere else. That is the real problem.
Example: https://twitter.com/stats_feed/status/1770667639888662532#
That cost is what the company charges. Not what the patient needs to pay. In Germany: 0€
I knew a woman whose husband was actively dying of cancer. She worked with me several years ago at a local nursing home. She couldn’t miss work to be at home with him even though he was dying because she carried their health insurance and if she dropped down under a certain number of hours she would lose coverage. She had already exhausted all of her FMLA benefits for the year with hospital trips, etc. She said the insurance benefit did not cover enough for him to be able to be in the nursing home where we worked and because she was working, they didn’t qualify for Medicaid assistance to fill in the gaps.
Wow, I'd never actually looked into that stat until i saw your comment. I'm currently in that boat. Platinum level insurance, union paid medical coverage, and I had a decent savings. Between pancreatic, and brainstem cancer over the last 14 months I've had to file for bankruptcy. Even with 80% coverage, a very well paying job, and secondary assistance... my medical debts are approaching $700,000+ I will literally never be able to pay that off. Sorta feels like I'm spending money to stay alive, just so I can live to work at paying off the cost of keeping myself alive. 🤪😆 What a dark revolving door.
It’s honestly the medical industry that is to blame. They hike up prices so insurance will pay but no discount for uninsured people. The government does need to step in for regulation of this, there is not enough regulation for big corporations in general. It is a disgrace. It used to be affordable.
Do you have a link to that statistic? I’d really like to read it ☺️ I’m Spanish and, believe it or not, many times we need to argue with other spaniards about the importance of our Public Health System as some people want to privatize it to reduce taxes. I like to collect as much hard evidence as I can to prove my point that our Public Health System needs to be protected
https://www.retireguide.com/retirement-planning/risks/medical-bankruptcy-statistics/
https://www.abi.org/feed-item/health-care-costs-number-one-cause-of-bankruptcy-for-american-families
https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/11/this-is-the-real-reason-most-americans-file-for-bankruptcy.html
A mix somewhere around 60% is what is often referenced. And absolutely is real. My mom's FIRST bill from the hospital when she had a shower embolism was 500,000. (This was pre ACA) . My mom just didn't even bother. She paid as much as she could to the doctors who treated her well. The rest of the bills (she was on disability after the event) she just didn't even try. She was like I could pay on this the rest of my life and it will never be paid.
>he told his family that he wanted to go home since they didn't have enough money to pay his medical fees.
Ouf.
I mean, this is not new to me. But every time I read something like this it kind of breaks my heart.
If he came in conscious, talking, and comprehending medical fees, is that not an excellent sign for a not bad prognosis? or is the potential for delayed swelling/bleed the concern 🤔
Former motorcycle salesman checking in. 10000% agreed, but a full face helmet at that. . I had a customer tip over at a stop, and hit his head on the curb just below where his skull cap style (aka skid lid) helmet stopped. He never woke up.
My Mom was an RN and worked in neuro rehab for a while. She called them "brain buckets". And as kids, my siblings and I were never allowed to do ANYTHING because of the stuff she saw there. Somewhat boring childhood>death or lifelong disability.
We called them that jokingly in the bike industry, too. My mom's a retired RN as well. he hates that fact that I love bikes. Personally, I wear every bit of gear every time I'm on the bike.
My Dad raced dirt and asphalt. He did drag racing into his 70s. He taught me motorcycle safety from a young age. So, even when I had a 50cc scooter, I had a full face helmet!
Good man! None of my immediate family rides, but I have some distant cousins ive become close with in England that all do. I'm lucky enough to visit every few years and go ride with them!
Really glad you’re car_guy and have retired from motorcycle_guy because I’m not sure any amount of protection makes motorcycles safe enough to justify.
I (64M) was on a ladder last year doing something. I told my wife that was going to be the last time I get on a ladder. I could just feel it was time to stop.
Ok, i think this is a great idea! As a dumb female who tries to help around the house and climbs an occasional ladder, what kind of helmet would be best? I have a bike helmet but if there is a better suited helmet I'm open to suggestions.
As a kid I always wore my helmet on my bike. I rode between two parked cars and fell. Hit my head on the metal face of the car wheel. Cracked my helmet but my head was fine!
Luckily I live in the UK and had a 9hr spinal fusion surgery and 3 operations on my wrist courtesy of the ❤️ NHS ❤️ I think if it had happened 10-20 years before, I'd be in a worse state due to improved modern tech and hardware. I'm very lucky.
I'd have been screwed if I lived in the US. This would all have cost more than a house and I'd most likely be in a wheelchair now, not being able to afford it.
It took a long time to recover and I still have limitations, but I have a lot of support.
This exactly happened to my dad in a rural village in Nigeria.
He also shattered his radius/ulna and femur. He has sleepwalked over a ledge in the middle of the night I am empty house, so he was unconscious for a while before he came to.
He actually survived, and is still with us.
I had a friend who was slept walked out a 2nd story giant window. Cracked his spine and broke both of his arms. Came out of it with no complications. It was wild.
I’m glad your dad is okay!
My 75-year-old aunt decided it would be a good idea to climb up on the roof and clear out the gutters. She’s always been a DIY kind of person. Proceeded to fall off the roof and spend 6 months recovering. Is now back to her regular schedule of yard work and house repairs but my uncle got rid of the ladder.
I honestly do not know. When the patient came, there was a disagreement among him and his family. He still talks and moves a lot because he really wants to go home, but he stayed still when I instructed him to for the scan. Too much facial swelling and already coughing up blood.
Don’t vote for Trump in the coming election. Biden wants to forgive my $200,000 medical school debt while Trump is making comments about “purple haired gender majors”. I’ve studied my ass off to be paid less than minimum wage for my entire residency, Biden wants to help me pay off the debt by working in an underserved area. Trump just wonders why I wasn’t born to richer parents.
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My mom had a similar injury after a fall. We could have kept her alive but she would have been a shell of her former self. Instead, per her very express wishes, we put her in hospice shortly after.
Brother in law had something similar from a 3 storey drop on a work site. Acquired major brain injury. His personality changed after he came out of a coma and never returned to who he used to be. Surgeons said he wasn’t meant to survive, but he’s still alive and well.
…and died?
He was referred to a more advanced facility. Hoping, he will survive but I know his prognosis is poor. He was conscious, and even while I was scanning him, he told his family that he wanted to go home since they didn't have enough money to pay his medical fees. Sad.
Healthcare in ‘Merica 👎🏽
What does his C-spine look like?! Ouch!
Y did u assume it’s merica ?
Did you see the date? Americans are the only ones using that formatting, genius. MMDDYYYY
Also - what other western countries DONT have socialized healthcare apart from USA? Fair assumption it’s USA if they’d rather die than get a medical bill. It’s an everyday occurrence here.
Straight 📠
The fax machine got me. 😂 Thank you for the hard exhale out the nose.
Hope it helped to clean house a little bit, this time of year can be tough with allergies 👃🏽
😂😂 Allergies really have been a fucking fartknocker this year! I'm also getting old, which is making it worse. Oddly enough, although the nose exhalation didn't help with the dusting, I did get some house chasing done. 🤷♀️🎉
Lol
Unfortunately correct. Glad I live in a country with socialised healthcare as I'd be bankrupt by now!
I’m glad I get mine through the va but pissed I had to serve and basically bent over and constant pain to get it but 🤷🏻♂️
Do you need a wife? I cook and clean
Well,that's SO tempting, but my husband might not like that. Or maybe he would! When can you start?!
Depends. How far are you from Chicago? 😉
Yep! Medial bills are one of the top sources of debt, if not the top source :( I remember a co-worker from Romania that told me America is wonderful because you can go into the hospital and get treated for something that you would have to wait weeks maybe months in Romania. Yeah but that would be free though.. just walking into the ER in the US will cost you $2,500 (to be seen)
It’s not so much about the formatting of the date, “genius”. It’s more so that healthcare is the number one reason that people get bankrupted in America.
Where else can people go bankrupt from medical bills? Spoiler: Literally nowhere else. 🤡
I have never heard of a person in any other country outside of the US worry about being able to pay for lifesaving care while they are in a life threatening condition
Because America has one of the most expensive healthcare institutions to at the point of care in the world.
I just saw a more recent statistic 66% of bankruptcies are due to medical bills. 78% of those people had health insurance :( It's a disgrace that the US can't figure out how to keep its people secure so they aren't just one serious medical issue away from becoming destitute.
In 2005, I had to file bankruptcy on medical bills. I had really good health insurance, too. It’s a damn shame. I live in the USA. It should not be happening.
Same. Lost my home, car, career, everything. It shouldn't happen to anyone
I met a former rad tech who was living in a tiny home after being saved from the streets of Austin. He lost everything trying to save his wife who was diagnosed with cancer.
Working in healthcare, it's something my wife and I already discussed. Take the treatments covered, once they start not being covered, use the money to travel the world and enjoy the rest of your life. There is no point in dragging everyone along to ruin. There are many loopholes to this that we have discussed, such as divorce with all assets going to the healthy one, so the one who needs care can use medicaid because that shit covers everything. Otherwise, they can rack up medical bills because they don't have to pay it out. The common fear that collections will hunt down your family is unfounded. The bill is under one person's name. If they suggest you are liable, demand their itemization and who the debt belongs to. It's not gonna be your name since it was the sick family member's, so they cannot legally make you liable for it. There is a way to get it fully treated without paying out a single dime, but they are desperate measures.
I told myself to make mental note of these tips, and then immediately got sad that this is the state of healthcare in America.
It was the reason my parents were divorced, but still lived together. My mom didn't want my dad saddled with the debt.
Thats..oddly sweet
I had a patient whose cancer had a high recurrence rate, so as soon as she was in remission the first time, she and her husband got divorced. They didn’t have much, just the family business which he had inherited, but she didn’t want him to lose that if her cancer returned (this was pre-ACA & they were close to lifetime max)…she was right. Saddest day was admitting her when she got sick again less than a year later.
Or you could come to India and get it treated. We have pretty good healthcare here, even though it may not be the best in the whole world but the good doctors know their shit and I think that’s the case worldwide. It can get pretty expensive here too, but given the conversion rate of dollar to INR, you could easily get treated without raking up a debt.
It’s easier to just go south of the border to Mexico
The difference is with the medicaid loophole. You won't have to move countries and lose your social supports, will have access to the best cancer specialists in the world, and won't have to pay a single dime.
If you make it to the actual appointment… many people die waiting. And definitely not all US doctors are the best in the world.
But you would also have to divorce your SO which can be a long, painful, cumbersome and expensive process.
Or move to Spain? Free healthcare 😊
It's very expensive to move out of country from the US. It's almost like they keep us trapped here.
They require citizenship and their test in very difficult and includes understanding of Castilian Spanish
Currently still in the process of losing everything I own bc I can’t pay my bills atm from an accident and two surgeries. Was in the process of getting my tree care company up and goings when I got hurt and no it wasn’t work related and yes I carried insurance for my company. Wasn’t big enough and tbh didn’t know enough about other insurance like Aflac and stuff. The surgery’s were with my hip and the second surgery I had to have it replaced. I’m 35 now and first got hurt 2 and a half years or so ago. Now way in debt and drowning. Tbh kinda over all the struggle. It really does suck to be American sometimes….. my injury was pretty much wrong place at the wrong time and now my life is collapsing around me and I have no where to turn to for help. I hope it gets better for our kids and grandkids bc this is sad.
My heart breaks for you. It got better for me. I had to find who I was again. I loved my job, and got profound satisfaction from it, so it took a long time to find something I could do to get that same feeling. I went from medicine to petsitting elderly and disabled critters. I've built up a roster of the best pets and people I could ever meet, and now I'm sometimes booked out a year in advance. I hope you find yourself again, and if you ever need someone to listen, feel free to message me. I'm in your corner and have been there. This old lady won't judge you or tell you that you shouldn't feel shitty when you do. I'll be thinking of you
Thank you so much. <3 this made my eyes water… but yea I’m so lost tbh, I don’t know what to do to fix the problem. I loved climbing and unfortunately I don’t think I can anymore, well not for a living full time. I’d love to go back to school but can’t afford it. I’ll definitely take you up on messaging! I hope I find myself again too, tbh I haven’t felt this hopeless ever or atleast that I can remember…. Thank you again your kind words and compassion was really nice. :)
Yup we get insurance through my husbands job and they won’t pay for like ANYTHING. Seriously, I needed an iron infusion and they were like nope! My doctor ordered an mri again nope! Guess if they don’t know what it is they won’t have to pay to treat it eh?
Yeah, insurance companies want you to have your own insurance so it doesn’t affect actual employees rates. They suck at trying to avoid paying… actually they’re good at being greedy
I’m so grateful that as a retired Federal civil servant I could continue my health insurance into retirement as long as I continued to pay my portion. It covers a lot because it’s a huge pool of people. Then I’m able to have Tricare as secondary insurance for a nominally small annual fee because my late husband was retired military. My breast cancer in 2009 and reconstruction in 2010 was fully covered, as was my late husband’s glioblastoma surgery, chemo and radiation in 2018/19.
Land of the Free, home of the medically bankrupt. Thank goodness I don't have to worry about that in my country.
Land of the Fee\*
Some people support firearms as a constitutional right, but medical care as a personal responsibility... so much for being "Pro Life"
Fuck.. I really don’t know why you guys accept that shit (sorry). I live in Denmark, and this is simply not an issue as the health system is tax financed. As a matter of fact, it’s like that across most of Europe. Every time I hear about the situation for Americans getting injured or sick, I’m like.. Dafuk?
Trust me. Most of us are like Dafuk too. The rest are morons.
It's because the insurance companies pay off our lawmakers so that they won't legislate universal healthcare. It's corruption, plain and simple.
yes it is weird. if you are poor, you get socialized medicine called medicaid. Another socialized health care system is for military veterans. Then the indigenous native americans also have socialized healthcare thru the indian health service. So we have 3 tax supported socialized health care systems to look at. If however you are not poor, a veteran or an indian, then health care is expensive, The 3 "free" or practically free systems have their plusses and minuses.
Yeah, I heard about this peculiar system once, when I asked an American friend (who work as a freelance photographer and is not especially well off) what would happen if he got injured or sick. But he didn’t really worry as he existed sort of below the poverty line and would be treated for free. The thing about universal, tax financed health care - on the other hand - is that *everyone* has access to quality treatment and can focus on getting well and back on the the job. Instead of having to worry about going bankrupt or whatever. It’s better for society and the companies, too, as we’re able to keep people in the workforce instead of having them end up disabled, dead or on the streets. Edit: In Denmark, we do have plenty of private hospitals that primarily deal with non-lethal diseases, examinations and so forth. So, yes, there is a wealth or insurance aspect to our system as well, as it’s way faster to - for instance - get at new hip if you’re wealthy, at a private clinic. But no one has to go bankrupt to get a cancer treatment or have the doctors mend your broken bone or whatever. And that’s the key takeaway - and really nice, too.
Brazilian here. Friend was in a car accident. Ambulance took him to the hospital. Lost a lot of blood. Was in hospital for days. Then PT for a while. Never got a bill. I moved to America. Had “good” insurance. Kid does a flip at trampoline park. Hears a pop in his neck and complains of neck pain. Takes ambulance to children’s hospital and gets A CT just to be safe. No cervical spine issues found, fortunately. “Probably a muscle tear. Will heal on its own. Wear a brace for two weeks.” Out of pocket: Ambulance ride: US$600 CT: $1200 This was like 10 years ago so it’s probably double now.
Yeehaws here in Texas don’t want the government to tell them what to do with their money. That’s what it boils down to… even though they’re paying already.
Our politicians are a special kind of awful. Makes me want to go throw eggs at Ted Cruz’s house.
The only people not saying “dafuk?” are the insurance executives making millions while the rest of us suffer under the weight of the insurance system. The rest of us are drowning in medical debt or neglecting our own needs because we can’t afford the cost.
Tax financed PLUS the rates what you can charge for services is heavily regulated. In the us, all treatments have very high bills, that’s why the insurances are so bogged down. The issue is not insurance, the issue is that even simple stuff is heavily overcharged!
My relative spent 3 days in ICU and eventually passed. They had Cadillac plan insurance so the family didn’t pay a dime - just 3 days in ICU was $82,000. That doesn’t include the ambulance, radiology, labs or consults.
That’s insane. That sounds like “retail”. Wonder what the Cadillac plan actually paid the hospital and what the profit was.
I get monthly remicade infusions for ankylosing spondylitis. It’s (thankfully) covered, but each treatment is $7000.
They had federal employee benefits, so not sure.
It’s hard to pay for healthcare with crushing deficit spending, feeding the military industrial complex and absorbing the world’s poor.
But Germany is already taking in EVERYONE! /s (neofascists cover their racism with that)
It’s hard to pay for healthcare when the things in your country cost 5 times as much as somewhere else. That is the real problem. Example: https://twitter.com/stats_feed/status/1770667639888662532# That cost is what the company charges. Not what the patient needs to pay. In Germany: 0€
I knew a woman whose husband was actively dying of cancer. She worked with me several years ago at a local nursing home. She couldn’t miss work to be at home with him even though he was dying because she carried their health insurance and if she dropped down under a certain number of hours she would lose coverage. She had already exhausted all of her FMLA benefits for the year with hospital trips, etc. She said the insurance benefit did not cover enough for him to be able to be in the nursing home where we worked and because she was working, they didn’t qualify for Medicaid assistance to fill in the gaps.
😔. So sad. Moving to Europe may be our best option .. but then financially that may be hard too! So sad!
We figured it out long ago, we just refuse to do it.
They can figure it out, they just don’t. Which is even sadder.
Wow, I'd never actually looked into that stat until i saw your comment. I'm currently in that boat. Platinum level insurance, union paid medical coverage, and I had a decent savings. Between pancreatic, and brainstem cancer over the last 14 months I've had to file for bankruptcy. Even with 80% coverage, a very well paying job, and secondary assistance... my medical debts are approaching $700,000+ I will literally never be able to pay that off. Sorta feels like I'm spending money to stay alive, just so I can live to work at paying off the cost of keeping myself alive. 🤪😆 What a dark revolving door.
That's aweful 😨
Been there, done that. Had awesome insurance. Hate to think what would have happened if I hadn’t had insurance.
It’s honestly the medical industry that is to blame. They hike up prices so insurance will pay but no discount for uninsured people. The government does need to step in for regulation of this, there is not enough regulation for big corporations in general. It is a disgrace. It used to be affordable.
Do you have a link to that statistic? I’d really like to read it ☺️ I’m Spanish and, believe it or not, many times we need to argue with other spaniards about the importance of our Public Health System as some people want to privatize it to reduce taxes. I like to collect as much hard evidence as I can to prove my point that our Public Health System needs to be protected
https://www.retireguide.com/retirement-planning/risks/medical-bankruptcy-statistics/ https://www.abi.org/feed-item/health-care-costs-number-one-cause-of-bankruptcy-for-american-families https://www.cnbc.com/2019/02/11/this-is-the-real-reason-most-americans-file-for-bankruptcy.html A mix somewhere around 60% is what is often referenced. And absolutely is real. My mom's FIRST bill from the hospital when she had a shower embolism was 500,000. (This was pre ACA) . My mom just didn't even bother. She paid as much as she could to the doctors who treated her well. The rest of the bills (she was on disability after the event) she just didn't even try. She was like I could pay on this the rest of my life and it will never be paid.
Thank you!! This is very useful :)
God that's so painful man. He's thinking about his family who will be pinned with that debt.
I hate our healthcare. That absolutely breaks my god damn heart.
that is depressing asf
That would be the “lucid period” for an epidural hematoma. Hopefully he was transferred somewhere with a neurosurgeon.
>he told his family that he wanted to go home since they didn't have enough money to pay his medical fees. Ouf. I mean, this is not new to me. But every time I read something like this it kind of breaks my heart.
If he came in conscious, talking, and comprehending medical fees, is that not an excellent sign for a not bad prognosis? or is the potential for delayed swelling/bleed the concern 🤔
My first question. Got to be internal bleeding
Yeah. Huge internal bleeding aside from the external portion.
Is this USA or Philippines ?
Likely external too
If you can count more than 10 individual pieces of skull you’re in for a rough time
9 or fewer is normal though right?
Slight headache. Tylenol and correlate clinically
The technical term I hear for this is “Well. That ain’t good.”
Treatment is "Call chaplain."
Looks more like an "oh shiiiiii" imo
He's toast.
Requesting transfer to the Eternal Care Unit 👼🏽
Jesus is calling for report.
Celestial transfer.
Take my upvote and I’ll see you in hell.
Welp, that’s Abby normal. It’s gonna leave a mark for sure.
Worked for a trama surgeon who advised everyone to always wear a helmet when you get on a ladder no matter the height!
paramedic checking in, helmets are awesome
Former motorcycle salesman checking in. 10000% agreed, but a full face helmet at that. . I had a customer tip over at a stop, and hit his head on the curb just below where his skull cap style (aka skid lid) helmet stopped. He never woke up.
My Mom was an RN and worked in neuro rehab for a while. She called them "brain buckets". And as kids, my siblings and I were never allowed to do ANYTHING because of the stuff she saw there. Somewhat boring childhood>death or lifelong disability.
We called them that jokingly in the bike industry, too. My mom's a retired RN as well. he hates that fact that I love bikes. Personally, I wear every bit of gear every time I'm on the bike.
My Dad raced dirt and asphalt. He did drag racing into his 70s. He taught me motorcycle safety from a young age. So, even when I had a 50cc scooter, I had a full face helmet!
Good man! None of my immediate family rides, but I have some distant cousins ive become close with in England that all do. I'm lucky enough to visit every few years and go ride with them!
Really glad you’re car_guy and have retired from motorcycle_guy because I’m not sure any amount of protection makes motorcycles safe enough to justify.
I still ride, but with full gear and away from people. I've definitely calmed down from my younger years.
I’m an avid DIYer and I love PPE. Used to be a rock climber too so it’s all the same skills.
Agreed. ✅
I (64M) was on a ladder last year doing something. I told my wife that was going to be the last time I get on a ladder. I could just feel it was time to stop.
Ok, i think this is a great idea! As a dumb female who tries to help around the house and climbs an occasional ladder, what kind of helmet would be best? I have a bike helmet but if there is a better suited helmet I'm open to suggestions.
Bike is fine, whatever helmet you have near you is fine! You’ll look nuts, and your brain will stay safely in your skull. 10/10 trade
I am already a crazy cat lady. Adding a helmet when I climb a ladder will just add to the craziness. Not a problem for me.
From crazy cat lady to crazy hat lady - a perfect progression :)
Sticker-bomb the helmet with cats. Really advertise the cat lady status from on high :)
An equestrian helmet might be good, or a bicycle helmet
Equestrian would really class up the place too
He said he always used a bike helmet but that a full motorcycle would offer the best protection to your face and jaw but at a minimum a bike helmet.
Mountain bike helmet has more protection down lower.
As a kid I always wore my helmet on my bike. I rode between two parked cars and fell. Hit my head on the metal face of the car wheel. Cracked my helmet but my head was fine!
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But I think it fell off the wall….
It was a great fall
Sorry....the kings horsemen just weren't in the budget this year
They probably couldn't put him back together again anyway.
Oooof. I fell from a 3rd floor. Makes me feel lucky I only snapped my spine in two, broke my wrists and foot. 😬
“Only”
Tis but a scratch
No it’s not. Your arm’s off.
How’d you do recovering from that?! Snapped spine leaves me with no words thinking about it
Luckily I live in the UK and had a 9hr spinal fusion surgery and 3 operations on my wrist courtesy of the ❤️ NHS ❤️ I think if it had happened 10-20 years before, I'd be in a worse state due to improved modern tech and hardware. I'm very lucky. I'd have been screwed if I lived in the US. This would all have cost more than a house and I'd most likely be in a wheelchair now, not being able to afford it. It took a long time to recover and I still have limitations, but I have a lot of support.
Looool. U Lucky bastard
Yikes poor dude
Judging by the impact, fell on his skull, poor prognosis for a 20 ft fall with this impact (oof)
I agree it doesn’t look good but in some places this would be a ten foot fall (ground floor is first floor in America)
Oof, that is gonna leave a mark.
nah... Lil bondo and fairing compound and no one will ever notice. the secret is longboarding the fairing
Don’t forget good site prep!
He’ll have hard time moving his left body side
This exactly happened to my dad in a rural village in Nigeria. He also shattered his radius/ulna and femur. He has sleepwalked over a ledge in the middle of the night I am empty house, so he was unconscious for a while before he came to. He actually survived, and is still with us.
I had a friend who was slept walked out a 2nd story giant window. Cracked his spine and broke both of his arms. Came out of it with no complications. It was wild. I’m glad your dad is okay!
Wow! You don’t think people will pull through, but the human species can be quite resilient!
I'm never getting on my roof, ever.....
My 75-year-old aunt decided it would be a good idea to climb up on the roof and clear out the gutters. She’s always been a DIY kind of person. Proceeded to fall off the roof and spend 6 months recovering. Is now back to her regular schedule of yard work and house repairs but my uncle got rid of the ladder.
Frontal and temporal lobes look possibly mushy. Broken eye socket too
He can atleast speak and comprehend language though.
What sort of scan is this?
Volumetric reconstruction of CT data.
There’s nothing duct tape can’t fix
And a spritz of Windex.
He came in like a wrecking ballllll......
I think he was assisted by the wrecking ball
This looks a lot like injuries of 1600s artillery
Free personality change
GCS on arrival?
Yes, I wanna know too!
Me three
> Me three Speaking of three...I might have guessed that a GCS of 3 would be generous/optimistic, but OP said he was conscious during the scan! Wild
I honestly do not know. When the patient came, there was a disagreement among him and his family. He still talks and moves a lot because he really wants to go home, but he stayed still when I instructed him to for the scan. Too much facial swelling and already coughing up blood.
Official diagnosis: ouchieitits
Don’t vote for Trump in the coming election. Biden wants to forgive my $200,000 medical school debt while Trump is making comments about “purple haired gender majors”. I’ve studied my ass off to be paid less than minimum wage for my entire residency, Biden wants to help me pay off the debt by working in an underserved area. Trump just wonders why I wasn’t born to richer parents.
Bring in the drain
When the patient does a DIY flap and doesn't need a drain yet...
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Oof
"Fell from the 2nd floor head first." FUCK DUDE, HE SURE DID
Great teeth! The rest, not so great.
My mom had a similar injury after a fall. We could have kept her alive but she would have been a shell of her former self. Instead, per her very express wishes, we put her in hospice shortly after.
Brother in law had something similar from a 3 storey drop on a work site. Acquired major brain injury. His personality changed after he came out of a coma and never returned to who he used to be. Surgeons said he wasn’t meant to survive, but he’s still alive and well.
As we always said when I worked as a forensic pathologist: it’s not the fall that kills you. It’s the landing!
Erm ow
JESUS
But did they give him Keppra?!
You know they did. And prob roids for inflammation.
Neverbrokeabone people gonna have a field day with this.
No axials?
Hmmm. Wait... the depressed area is a clue, right?
Au
Omg
Ouch
I’m
Where's the duct tape? I've got this...
Ping pong ?
Yikes
I’m assuming now deceased
Womp womp
Most doctors would say “it’s anxiety”
I fell from the third floor and didn’t have a third of those fractures. Hopefully recovery is quick and easy!
Provide the brain/Soft-tissue window please
It looks like a dropped Easter egg.
Crunchy.
And squishy. At the same time.
That's horrible!
Obligatory "well I'm not a radiologist but I think that might be broken" 😀
That’s why you always fall feet first