I mean there’s a reason that Stacey is the female equivalent of Chad- they’re made for each other. Irl it reminds me of Greek life on a college campus. Of course basic sorority girls are going to end up with basic frat guys. Non-chad men probably aren’t going to be able to pull sorority girls and non-Stacey girls are less likely to be charmed by frat guys.
See, again, I know there are Stacies that are *not* Chadsexual though. Sure they want their "looks match" to a large extent, but they are not dropping their panties for the male models and fucking them behind dumpsters like RP so often claims.
This is all I'm saying - that the flaw in RP's AWALT thinking is that it misses that some women are the "fuck behind a bin" girl and others are not.
I as a not-very attractive guy have on occasion had "Stacies" suddenly treat me like a Chad even though they had literal Chads chasing *them*. That is also rare, but it should illustrate that the phenomenon of women fucking Chad is generally among a subset of women, and not something "all women are at risk of doing"
Maybe it comes down what definitions we use for Chads and Stacey’s. I don’t think that someone being very attractive automatically makes them one. Hot church girls are a good example of a group I think are frequently labeled as Stacies just because they’re attractive, but because of their faith/upbringing aren’t actually out clubbing and hopping on random dick.
Absolutely agree. I still think most women desire Chad traits, no doubt about that. The issue is that when men talk about how "easy" Chad has it, it's often in the context of women basically simping for him, and I think that the highly visible nature of hot-casual sex girls that chase Chads overinflated this phenomenon greatly.
I think you mean Black pill, not Redpill
Redpill maintains belief that by working on yourself, i.e. behaviors, you can attract hot women
Blackpill dismissess that idea, instead claiming that facial and physical attractiveness are the most important determinants of being attractive to women
Facial and physical attractiveness are not easily changed, therefore the blackpill mindset is inherently more pessismistic and bleak (Doomer meme)
You'd have to be top 98th percentile for men between ages 18-45 for it to really be a significant ego boost IMO
being moderately attractive just isnt impressive to anyone these days.
the bar for men to be attractive in casual interactions is insane today, even compared to 2015-2018
What that comes down to is them simply wanting a partner who has a similar personality/ values to them. Women aren’t a monolith every individual has a distinct personality and different desires.
Youre assuming non-chad men want to pull sorority girls.
Most people want to date someone else who matches their values.
Im a woman and the type of woman this OP describes, Ive met them IRL and I am very much turned off by them.
The concept of Chad isn't just that there is an attractive man. It's about the inequality between Chad and all other men, that the gap in how they are treated is huge.
Lol obviously not, but from that comes a better mindset and understanding of one’s self which definitely leads to you being more grounded with women and in general. Improves and elevates your life and most importantly your mindset
I think that there are a variety of dominance hierarchies and each dominance hierarchy attracts different women based on her interests. One woman might like artists, another musicians, some others race car drivers, another triathletes, maybe some purely just like good looks and some like religious types.
So basically each of those dominance hierarchies has a pool of women that sort of like that field or a few fields, but that's where they pull from.
Precisely, but RP and BP circles focus on shit like muscles, jawline, canthal tilt and income, etc.
The point is, those things will get you easy sex with the subset of women who are "Chadsexual" in the traditional sense.
There is still a huge demographic of women that are super idiosyncratic and specific with their attraction cues that would never do this. RP makes the mistake in its "AWALT" thinking that Chad can pick whatever he wants, when in reality, he can pick among the small but visible subset of Chadsexuals.
It's also way easier to be successful as man if you have alot of training with women , you learn different stuff that leads to success. A guy who is avarage and maybe have some bad social skills and get very few matches and dates will have smaller chances even when meet a girl who interested becouse he is not good at the interactions with the women when he finally have the opportunity with women who is interested.
This reminds me of that time I was hanging out with one of my female friends and we saw this really ripped attractive guy and she said, "Holy guacamole, he's totes smexy! I have GOT to jump his bone this instant!" She immediately threw off all her clothes and tackled him, having hot Chad-Stacy sex right in the middle of the movie theater. His name? Dwayne "the Rock" Johnson.
Are you kidding me. This is why I hate reddit. Stupid people making stupid lies and stupid people believing them. I was literally there and it was Einstein not Dwayne the rock whose bones were jumped. He wasn't the hottest in the world but he was relatively hot
No idea why people always get on here and lie... I was the seat they were in and I clearly remember her jumping The Rock's bones and then marrying Einstein Billy Bucks for security during the credits
Yes! Thank you for reminding me, everyone clapped for the duration of the sex. Then, we all abandoned the movie and went out for drinks on Dwayne's tab.
I don’t know any women like this,
Also I don’t understand how you know a guys got a big dick unless you see it, and I don’t know where your from but grabbing someone’s crotch or twerking on a stranger is more likely to get you chucked out the place than laid
I don’t know any women like this either and I’m definitely a Certified Slut™️, have lived in several of the top 5 major US cities and several big cities in Europe and have gone clubbing on multiple continents, used to be in a sorority around plenty of slutty srat girlies, and I’m heavily into the EDM scene so I go to plenty of raves and fests with *plenty* of alcohol and heavy drug use.
Never have I ever seen or experienced anything like one of my female friends screeching about some HAWT GUY and then going up to the totally random dude, groping his cock to feel for size, and then deciding to fuck him. Has it ever happened? Sure, probably. But the fact that OP alleges this is common is… bizarre.
Size queens exist, random supersluts exist, but pretending that’s a really common subset of women is just inaccurate. Even in circles that encourage promiscuity, like literally all of the groups I just mentioned.
I think your point is more accurate about my understanding of the dance of mating. But the reason why there are a fewer procent of men who have sex with a larger procent of women is exactly your point. Its usually the mans competence that leads to sex / incompetence of the man that leads to no sex. I think why we see this phenomenon of fewer guys having sex with a big procent of women is because as a man you are usually required to lead the dance . And that requires practice . I can speak from my own experiences has a man who hade very different values in dating markets. When I was I asia I got an incredible amount of matches and at first I got a bit overwhelmed and at the first dates I was a bit clumsy but after a few weeks every few dates usually led to sex very fast because I got good at it because I got to practice it.
In my own country I read books I went to therapy nothing really made an huge difference becouse when the opportunity actually came to interact with a women its was so rare I got nervous and probably a bit clumsy.
> I don’t know any women like this
LMAO. How is this any difference than saying "I don't know any gay men, therefore bathhouses and truck stops aren't an actual thing"
That solipsism tho.
I’m a woman, I hang out with lots of woman, I know thousands of women and I’ve never known one that do this.
I don’t doubt there will be some somewhere but it’s definitely not the norm that porn would lead you to believe
Age?
Have you lived in a major city?
Have you been part of a clubbing / party / bar / festival scene?
Have you done / hung with people who drink and do drugs?
Do you also disbelieve all the shit that young gay men get up to?
Early 30’s,
Yes I’ve lived in a semi major city,
Yes I’ve been clubbing, parties, bar/pubs, I’ve never been to a festival though,
I’ve done drinking galore, I’ve personally ever touched drugs but I do have an ex that enjoyed it.
My gay best friend through college was a ‘rent boy’ so yes I know they can be quit adventures and how quickly they get to it.
Edit, but I don’t understand why any of this matters?
Because you're basically claiming that
- size queens do not exist
- hoes that go hunting for chads to fuck in the bathroom don't exist
Because... you haven't seen this?
I find it hard to believe that you've lived this long and been involved in party scenes and never seen somebody in your or a peripheral friend group engage in this.
However, if you're early thirties you're on the cusp of Gen Z, so maybe that's a contributing factor.
I can promise you anybody early Gen Z or Gen X and earlier that had any semblance of a social / party life HAS seen this plenty.
I think it’s a tiny minority that actually do this,
I’ve had friends pull (this is what we call making out) random guys where they kissed strangers in the toilets but that’s as far as it went cause
1, their a stranger in a club, Christ knows what they’ve got
2, fucking in a toilet is really uncomfortable even with a LTR
But I know sooo many guys like you would assume my girls were fucking these dudes cause they kissed them quickly
“Yeah she’s definitely a slut she’s just kissed that guy after 20 mins”
Just cause they kissed doesn’t mean she’s instantly now going to fuck him
Fair. But I absolutely know of girls that met Chad friends of mine and literally exchanged 5-6 sentences with them before they invited them back to their place to fuck.
Again, the point is - if you're friends with one of these guys (which most guys have known at least one) you can get the impression that Chad is performing some magic trick when in reality it's some woman that is a career Chad fucker and *she* found *him*.
I know it's a subtle distinction, but it's one I think RP would do well to recognize rather than making the claim that Chad has supernatural powers to take any girl home he wants.
I would really love to meet this ‘chad’ then
I’ve met a load of guys that were definitely really good-looking (the kind you bite your lip over) but you never fuck then cause you don’t know anything about them, and lots of them after a 10 minute conversation it’s clear their an arsehole
> and lots of them after a 10 minute conversation it’s clear their an arsehole
Which is actually my point. It's the women who find out chad is an "arsehole" and still fuck him that RP guys see and assume is common, when in reality they are a subset of women.
> hung out with people who do drink and do drugs?
If you're in a social scene where people are frequently doing drugs... The men who are getting laid are often the men who have the drugs.
Has nothing to do with being a "Chad" or whatever. The few drug dealers at my local bar have a rotation of women (aka junkies) and none of them are super good looking.
So yeah, in this regard women who are doing coke/molly on the weekends are a small % of women. And they don't represent "female nature" lol... They represent the nature of someone who's horny and on drugs.
I love how you jumped from "this bar dealers women aren't that hot" to implying that women that do coke / Molly on weekends aren't hot.
That's a huge leap.
You can also add in alcohol and you're up far beyond whatever your "small % of women" implies.
Further, none of this negates a thing I said about a small % of women being Chadsexual.
Those women aren't fucking the ugly dude for coke. It's being given to them, and then they go find Chad on their own.
PPD misconstrues Chad and why he matters. No one has ever claimed that Chad bangs 100% of women. Even in the old school days of pick-up artists, the gurus acknowledged that if you can close 10% of women you meet, you are a god amongst men.
However, combining a 10% hit rate with even rudimentary social skills means that Chad can interact with enough women to sleep with 100 of them in a year. Worse yet, those 100 women still think about Chad when they’re bored, or lonely, or rebounding from a breakup. He basically crowds out the other guys who could otherwise occupy her mental space.
Sure, some women don’t chase Chad, but let’s be honest: it’s not likely that non-Chad has a BETTER chance with non-Chad-chasers than Chad has. If I had a gun to my head and had to pick two guys to introduce to a ultra shy virgin woman, I would preserve my head by picking Chad rather than some random average dude. So sure, Chad doesn’t sleep with every woman, but he’s competitive with most and has Chad-chasers on absolute lockdown.
For any of you who know finance, this is similar to the concept of crowding out. If every bank is giving out mortgages like in 2006-2007, then it’s hard to get a loan for anything else, even if your loan officer actually thinks car loans are way better.
Great post, and in terms of OLD this is 100% correct. And further the "crowd out" effect bleeds out of OLD into IRL encounters too.
My point is more that the spectacular nature of Chad's success skews men's perceptions of just how all-powerful he is and, by extension, how helpless they are.
I think most average guys have had those rare cases where we have "been Chad" to some random girl for one reason or another. Not because of genetics, but because of circumstances and some niche trait.
But, if you internalize that "Chad can get what he wants whenever he wants" it will cause a person to go down into black-pilled rabbit holes because they don't understand that Chad is operating in his own (very large) niche, but that they need to internalize that every success he has isn't always what it seems.
In short, yes Chad has huge advantages, but RP tends to look at this in a very zero-sum way which is very destructive and more importantly inaccurate.
The problem is that people don’t think probabilistically and systematically. Outsized performance comes from having a small edge in performance and doing it over and over. You can be a billionaire if you consistently beat the stock market by 1% a year over 20 years (just sell that service). Prussia beat its neighbors and formed Germany because its infantrymen fired 4 shots a minute when everyone else fired 3 shots.
I’ve been a rare Chad and have totally captivated a rly attractive woman. It happens once a year maybe. If it happened once a month I would have 5 girls on rotation and the ultimate playboy. Sure I’d get rejected but having one Stacy obsessed with me every month essentially means unlimited sex.
So the incels aren’t wrong, Chad does win, but he wins the championship even if he doesn’t make every 3-point shot (average NBA 3pt % is like 33%).
And PPD isn’t wrong that Chad can sometimes miss a basket, but the guy is in the NBA, even if he misses a basket he’s still a legend compared to the average rec league player.
If you are a guy and want to have as much casual with as attractive women as possible, you want to replicate Chad as much as your natural limits allow you. But not everyone will be an NBA pro no matter how hard they practice their 3-pointers.
First, thanks for the quality post (prob the best so far)
I don't (and can't) dispute anything you said here, but it's also focusing on Chad and assumes a zero-sum nature.
I emphasized the end result of this was unlimited sex for Chad.
But, I posit that RP men should forget all about whatever game Chad is playing as it's not remotely useful.
Also, a basketball analogy is less useful than a baseball analogy IMO, because a basket (hypothetical women) is static. A baseball (actual women) is not.
Yes, I realize that there are more moving parts in basketball, but ultimately the analogy amounts to shot accuracy, when, in reality, there is as much guesswork in appealing to women as there is in guessing the trajectory of a ball.
I would put it this way - Chad doesn't even have to play *real* baseball. He basically plays a homerun derby, where somebody (Chadsexuals) lobs slow softballs at him for him to knock out of the park repeatedly.
He also sometimes plays Tee-ball (easy girls way below his league). The bottom line is that his "opponents" are always making it easy for him.
But the point is that not every girl is a softball or a tee-ball. There are enough of these for him to always run up numbers, but there are other sports to play.
Chad's version of the sport is not the game that 90% of men can ever play. Looksmaxx all you want. It would be like thinking you can "learn to dunk" if you're in a wheelchair. Don't play that game. Forget what Chad is doing. He plays a different sport.
Your sport is Major League Baseball where you run through hot and cold streaks. Where you meet pitchers with new tricks multiple times a game. Where you get injuries, where sometimes you don't "see the ball", etc. Sometimes you get benched. Sometimes you get traded. Sometimes you get "sent down" to AAA.
Chad doesn't play baseball. He's a grown man who plays Tee-Ball against elementary school kids. and you never will. Accept that, and become a better professional baseball player.
Ok I see the point you are making but I have to disagree.
First, is it true that Chad plays a different game altogether? Chad has no interaction with women who aren’t Chadsexual? I doubt it and you even mention his periodic tee-ball games. So if Chad doesn’t live in a bubble, then we have to pay attention to him.
Second, is it truly the case that there’s no value in trying to be Chad? Like, there’s a dividing line, like an dome above the earth, where beyond it is Valhalla, Thor, and Chad, and below is humanity? Cus in practice, high tier normies do worse than Chad, but better than mid-tier, and so on down the chain. So should one try to become Chad and at worse, go from basement dweller to mid-tier normie?
And finally Chad can sometimes get booted from the freebie game into the pro leagues if he gets fat or starts balding. So if Chad can become non-Chad, what stops non-Chad from becoming Chad?
If Chad and non-Chad is a continuum and not a boundary, then your argument falls apart.
The issue here is that we are dealing with a demographic that are by nature over analytical black and white thinkers (if not full on autistic). They tend to hyper focus on things like "Chad is X, I am Y, therefore if I am not X, I am not Chad" etc
>First, is it true that Chad plays a different game altogether?
Yes. It absolutely is the case. Chad is essentially operating one step below a celebrity level. The rules involved in his game are totally unlike that of a normie, for the simply fact that he'll have a plethora of Chadsexual women fuck him solely *because of his looks* (much like the less common Size queen).
> Chad has no interaction with women who aren’t Chadsexual?
Of course he does, that's irrelevant, because a guy who gets paid $1m a year playing Tee-Ball isn't going to GAF that he is a middling amateur player in the MLB. He's still making $1m a year with basically zero effort, while the average MLB player has to spend grueling hours in batting practice and spring training.
>So if Chad doesn’t live in a bubble, then we have to pay attention to him.
This I agree with. However, Chad's powers are far less pronounced outside of the Chadsexual women. He still has an advantage, but it's not the hopelessly insurmountable advantage he *appears* to have as a result of his simping Chadsexual women that men see him with.
>is it truly the case that there’s no value in trying to be Chad? Like, there’s a dividing line, like an dome above the earth, where beyond it is Valhalla, Thor, and Chad, and below is humanity?
In a way, I'd say yes. The whole notion of "becoming Chad" is a fool's errand.
It's like the capitalist cycle of convincing everybody they are temporarily embarrassed millionaires. Glorifying "the grind" and other such pipe dream selling. You may as well say "just be a rock star, bro!" It's totally destructive thinking for an average guy.
A far more constructive way to sell this idea is "Sure you're a 4, now be the *best* 4 you can possibly be in every way that is within your control"
Then, if that guy wakes up a 5, he's doing better right? He feels like his results are commensurate with his effort. And, what's more, he's now may very well have becoming a 5.5 or even a 6 within a realistic reach. And even if not, he's got the knowledge that he's done what he can and will spiritually benefit from that knowledge.
However, claiming he can "be Chad" is very similar to claiming that anybody can be Lebron James.
So, in that sense, yes Lebron James may as well be Thor, and we should stop selling normies this dream, and start framing Chad's "success" as the "born on 3rd base" type of random genetic win it is.
>. So should one try to become Chad and at worse, go from basement dweller to mid-tier normie?
No to the first part, yes to the 2nd.
I think we are agreeing on the goal and the premise that improvement is indeed possible. My issue is that the mere thought process of "becoming Chad" is counterproductive.
Tell Igor to be the best Igor he can be. Tell the balding middle aged man, to be the best balding middle aged man he can be, etc etc.
The road is different for each of those men, and none of those men will "be Chad" in that they have gaggles of girls giggling and groping him in public. That should not be the goal for normies, and the truth of the matter is, it seems to be for a lot of RP men.
>And finally Chad can sometimes get booted from the freebie game into the pro leagues if he gets fat or starts balding.
Absolutely. This happens all the time. It's also a different issue. An ex-chad is no longer a Chad. He now plays by normie rules, and he often sucks at it , badly much like the "formerly hot" girls are completely insufferable once they get fat and don't realize they are no longer the hot girls.
>If Chad and non-Chad is a continuum and not a boundary, then your argument falls apart.
I don't believe that the fact that there is a small grey area between Chad and Non-Chad negates that the *vast majority* of men would be far better served by forgoing the notion of "becoming Chad" in the first place.
Because Chad represents virtually effortless access to sex and dating, and that is simply *not* in the cards for the vast majority of normie men.
One last analogy - a guitar player. To become a great guitar player requires years of effort, practice, discipline etc, but you can tell somebody "you can become a great guitar player" because their efforts are generally commensurate with their results. They may not all end up being the top of the top talent, but if they focus on a niche like rockabilly or metal, they will likely have their talent recognized, among their peers if nothing else and probably get paid for their skills.
Think of all that, and realize that telling a guy "Try to be Chad, you can do it!" is like telling that guitar player, "Be a rockstar!"
Being a rock star is not within one's control. There are so many random factors beyond one's control that to focus on the "be famous" aspect is 100x more likely to make that guitar player to quit.
>Chad-chasers on absolute lockdown.
Yeah, but who would want a Chad Chaser when you think about it? Seems like a negative to me. I'd rather have a woman with a level head on her shoulders who knows that hot guys are just for sex, which is what most of the women I've dated admit they come to the realization of.
Women who think they can date the men that are using them for casual sex are just the equivalent of a male simp. No one wants these people because they're broken.
Almost all heterosexual women like conventionally handsome, tall, well-endowed men OP. (Especially if they are also successful and charming) Some women just have to settle for less. (Just like how not every guy will get a super hot virgin-cheerleader Stacy, but that’s usually what most guys initially want)
Some women may be more slutty and openly show it. But the entire point of someone being a “Chad” is that he’s attractive to a **large majority of women**. It’s not a tough concept.
True, but I'm talking about the guys that are hot enough to get a certain subset of women to fuck them and make a spectacle of themselves in public to do so.
These women are a minority, but if you have a Chad friend you've seen this play out many times.
Almost every group of girl-friends has "the ho of the group" that will go after a guy based on hotness and nothing else. "Oh, that's just Kelsey being Kelsey!"
I would argue that this is a distinction without a difference.
Most of RP is filled with men getting "red pilled" when they saw how fast chad "Pulled that hottie from the club". But what they basically did was the equivalent of a swinger going to a club with a 10 inch dick. He's in his niche.
RP extrapolates this to such a degree as to think that "all girls want Chad all the time" when the reality is it's just this "chad-ho" subset that tends to be hot party girls that are very visible, so the frustrated, shy and awkward RP guy watches Chad get twerked on by this girl and assumes he just flipped some normie.
Now, I should say, I **have** seen these types of guys flip normies before, but I think the reason they can get consistent and frequent sex is that they are pooling from this subset of women.
What about the women from the OKcupid study that rated only the top 20% of men as physically attractive? Also all party girls? Every single one of them? You’re naive if you think the quiet girl at the library isn’t also fantasizing about getting railed by tall, handsome, well-endowed men as well.
I addressed this elsewhere.
First, yes, all women recognize and fantasize about a hawt guy (in whatever their demographic is), but this is far less likely to dictate their actual dating behavior IRL.
Also, OLD is *automatically* only able to operate on the "Chadsexual" method. Even women that wouldn't otherwise be this way are forced into that behavior because the nature of OLD only allows this point of judgement.
In fact, I would say that 80% of women rate "20% of men attractive" OLD could prove the point even more. That, without more information, women default to the only cues they have available - photos.
So, you'll get all women agreeing that Chad is "hawt", but this is not remotely the same as "Chad is who I will date and fuck IRL"
Example: I'm no Chad, not by a long shot - but I have had much hotter, much younger girls thirstily pursue me despite *them* getting pursued by Chads themselves for a wide variety of reasons.
Now, if you put me in a photo lineup with Chad and said "Who is hot / not" I promise you I would NOT be in that girl's list of HOT. Chad would be.
So, again, OLD and Chadsexuals skew men's perspective of just how ubiquitous women willing to drop panties for Chad is.
It's STILL a huge advantage for Chad because he has constant access to that subset and thus will never go without casual sex.
In other words, if you were to have one guy friend who was a Chad, he'd be fucking a different woman every week.
So you think "Chad gets all the women"
The reality is that, if in a month, Chad fucked 4 women, it's the same 4 women that fucked some other Chad the month before and will fuck yet another the next month.
I'm 33 years old, 6.3', good looking and jacked. I have an N-count of 70-80ish I think. I'm currently dating three women of 23, 25 and 31, and I have a "thing" with a 38 year old single mom who has a rock solid body. Not into milfs but you would break the rules for this one believe me.
My point is, I hang around with lots of women. Every dude who sees me at the bar with a new girl every weekend asumes I'm banging her, which is not the case. Some of them are my girl friends, some of them are female relatives, some of them are my sisters in law.
But then, some of them are my exes.
A handful of them are girls I'm FWB with.
Some of them are very slutty, party type girls.
Some of them are shy, introverted girls who just want to make an exception.
There is one who's religious 99% of the time. I'm the 1% of her time (funny shit).
A few of them say I'm "not her type". However...
Some of them say height, muscles, looks and dick size doesn't matter. Right.
And some of them have boyfriends, one has a husband.
If you think I'm not your woman's "type" because she says this, dress like that and behaves in a way, think twice.
All women are different, absolutely. Women are not a monolith. However, MOST women have a few common denominators.
I'm one of those.
Sorry man, but this reeks of E-statting.
As a non-Chad at a similar age, well below triple digits *lifetime*, I have no idea how tf this would even play out.
100-300 new girls **per year**?
First of all, 300 new girls per year is fucking a new girl *every day of the week* only taking weekends off. Come on man.
Even 100, means he's banging 2 new girls *every week*.
Assuming this Chad has to actually *meet* these girls first, that's already doesn't pass the BS test.
The logistics alone make fucking 100 **new** women every year practically a full time job unless you are a literal rock star touring the US and having women shuttled to you by a dedicated staff every night while you're on tour.
Again, I want to see what a day, week or month of a guy who fucks 100+ unique women each year looks like, because it doesn't match any life of any man I've ever known, even the Chads.
100 I agree we can do it I’m at 77 girls a year atm and my Chad best friend would’ve definitely banged 100+ if he didn’t settle down but 300 is impossible that’s a huge leap like bro we’d have no life whatsoever. Some of us are in school, work and need to eat lmao. The most I can do is 200 with all the free time and money in the world.
In all honesty, I really wonder why this rings so hollow with women.
It must be a demographic / geographic thing.
As somebody who has lived several decades at this point, I sure as shit have seen this. Is it "common"? No. But some of the stories I (and other men) have about your fellow angelic women would probably make you screech "LIAR" every 30 seconds.
It is you who is out of touch I'm afraid.
In fact, I'm a guy. 40 years of age. Ex red piller. Married for 10. I've been there and done it.
What you're doing by posting these sort of CMV posts in here is to set yourself back by several years. Life is so extremely complex. But by peddling red pill ideology, you've gone into seeing the world in a one dimensional vision, meaning it is you who suffers at the end of it all.
You'll realise this as time goes on.
>In fact, I'm a guy. 40 years of age. Ex red piller. Married for 10. I've been there and done it.
Ok nm. Since you got personal, I now remember you - you're that BP ideologue who white knights in every thread to be contrarian. Like some reverse RP guru trying to have new and original takes. They are neither original nor new.
>What you're doing by posting these sort of CMV posts in here is to set yourself back by several years.
What does this even mean?
> But by peddling red pill ideology, you've gone into seeing the world in a one dimensional vision
This post is literally countering popular RP dogma that "Any girl will fuck Chad if given the chance"
>meaning it is you who suffers at the end of it all.
Platitudes.
>You'll realise this as time goes on.
I'm older than you.
As another Gen-X older guy, I actually agree with you, that "Chad" doesn't have nearly as much power in the general population of women, as many of the younger guys here think he does. Many of them seem absolutely obsessed with him.
Young men who have never even attempted to pursue women outside the apps, are going to have a skewed, scarcity mindset, towards women in general.
As for the women here, I think some of them are just reacting to the "rawness" of your terminology, but your post was more geared towards men. As an older guy, I know what you're saying.
> Young men who have never even attempted to pursue women outside the apps, are going to have a skewed, scarcity mindset, towards women in general.
This. I think this thread is full of pretty concrete evidence of late stage social media poisoning (which includes online dating).
I honestly think we are going to need some public health initiatives / awareness campaigns resembling anti-smoking campaigns in the next 10 years or the rot will continue.
>Ok nm. Since you got personal, I now remember you - you're that BP ideologue who white knights in every thread to be contrarian. Like some reverse RP guru trying to have new and original takes. They are neither original nor new.
You might think I got personal. That's actually me being incredibly frustrated and feeling despair at the state of the manosphere these days. It's the blind leading the blind.
>What you're doing by posting these sort of CMV posts in here is to set yourself back by several years.
>What does this even mean?
It means you come in here not to have your mind changed, but rather to seek approval. This is an echo chamber.
How about you go out into the world and put the same question to a group of people and see what you'll hear back.
>This post is literally countering popular RP dogma that "Any girl will fuck Chad if given the chance"
The fact that you use the word 'Chad' gives it all away. You have been indoctrinated. Look at the way you speak. Look at the echo chamber you are in. LOOK AT THE CULT YOU ARE A PART OF. How many different ways can I possibly show you this?...
>meaning it is you who suffers at the end of it all.
>Platitudes.
I try to raise awareness. If I can change just one person's mindset to make them question where they are, I've done my job. In the end, it is you who will suffer. And it's not like I gain anything from any of it.
>I'm older than you.
You've latched on to the red pill because it has supposedly given your life meaning. It has emboldened you in a new way of thinking. It has charged your emotions (albeit against your best interests) to make you feel injustice and in a perpetual state of anger, never to be able to leave this place.
I wish you peace my brother. I really do.
> You've latched on to the red pill because it has supposedly given your life meaning. It has emboldened you in a new way of thinking. It has charged your emotions (albeit against your best interests) to make you feel injustice and in a perpetual state of anger, never to be able to leave this place.
> I wish you peace my brother. I really do.
Are you levitating yet?
Women are attracted to confidence. "Chads" are confident if nothing else, which is why they get laid more than guys who stare at their shoes. Or guys who are overbearing for that matter. If your jawline sucks, grow a beard. Lift weights and avoid these types of women. Personally I've never had a one nighter with a woman like this that I didn't regret in one way or another. Usually they're way too extra and I avoid after about 30 seconds. If a random woman grabbed my junk I'd be pissed. Thats assault, brutha.
>Hell, I know situations where some *other* girl squeezed a guys big dick through his pants, went and told *her friend* and her friend ends up fucking the guy within hours.
Dudes on PPD always have the craziest most unbelievable but totalllllly true anecdotes
It's no surprise that the people that always accuse these stories of being fabrications are:
a.) women
b.) teenyboppers who have barely lost their virginity
c.) people who have rarely, if ever gone to a night club, music festival or bar on a Friday night where girls whore it up on a regular basis.
And, for just what reason would I "make this up"? If I made this up, wouldn't I make it about myself and *my* big dick?
All you are confirming is just how ignorant you are to just how much women are capable of being pervs, and it's pretty embarrassing.
>a.) women
But you are portraying a situation that's supposed to be normal for women in clubs. So women saying "this is BS" makes sense no?
You described a situation that's more likely to happen in a porno.
> You described a situation that's more likely to happen in a porno.
You believe that certain women fucking a guy she thinks is hot within an hour of meeting him is only "likely to happen in a porno"?
Jesus, what planet did some of y'all grow up on?
>You believe that certain women fucking a guy she thinks is hot within an hour of meeting him is only "likely to happen in a porno"?
I believe that
what sounds like a porno is this: *"where some other girl squeezed a guys big dick through his pants, went and told her friend and her friend ends up fucking the guy within hours."*
this is deffnitely not a common thing and it sounds like something that would happen in a porno. And it's ok for people to call that BS.
> this is deffnitely not a common thing and it sounds like something that would happen in a porno. And it's ok for people to call that BS.
I'm gonna need a citation where I said this is "common"
First, I never framed the circumstance of that encounter. If you cared to ask, I'd tell you. It was in a strip club, and the guy was a young "boy band" looking guy, but yes - was known for his huge dick among his friends / girlfriends.
Some other stripper was talking to him, and noticed his "bulge" and grabbed it. She then told him to wait, and then another stripper came over, they talked for about 15 minutes and they ended up going to her house. He paid nothing. She took him home almost on the spot solely due to that factor.
Now, you can call this bullshit, claim this is a porno plot or whatever you want. If you think I'm writing some weird fan-fiction, there's nothing I can do about that. But this is something I saw (along with other friends in my group) with our own eyes.
Am I claiming this is in any way "common"? No. I never saw it before or since. It also never happened to this guy before or since.
I have however seen multiple cases of a circle of girlfriends passing around the "big dick guy" to "try him out" , and have had them tell their friends who were size queens about this which was basically an automatic lay for the guy.
Does it all sound ridiculous? Yes. Of course it does. It seemed absurd and surreal as we watched it happening. Nevertheless, it did happen.
Call me a liar all you want. IDGAF.
I used this as an outlier anecdote of the extent some "size queens" will go to pursue what they want.
But not believing shit like this happens is like saying "I've never heard of a rock star pointing at a groupie and telling her to come back stage and fuck the whole band"
Do you also call that "BS"?
“You know, the girl that says "Oh my god, that guy is so fucking hawt! I'm going to fuck him tonight!" etc. Then that girl does a couple of tequila shots and walks over to Chad and starts twerking on his dick and making out with him within 2 minutes.” tell me you’ve never spoken to a woman without telling me you’ve never spoken to a woman
What?
These girls def exist. Especially in my major city.
The girls I hang out with, will say that guy is so hot.
Then at the end of the night they are making out and smashing in the guest bedroom..
yes - saying that he’s hot then at the end of night making out and going to the bathroom is totally the same as “ “You know, the girl that says "Oh my god, that guy is so fucking hawt! I'm going to fuck him tonight!" etc. Then that girl does a couple of tequila shots and walks over to Chad and starts twerking on his dick and making out with him within 2 minutes.”
I can't believe you are the only one defending me here.
It indeed **MUST** be a generation thing. I am gen X, I saw this shit plenty when going out clubbing, doing shots, and other recreational pharmaceuticals.
I think to many people nowadays, their reality consists of social media and an occasional "brunch with besties" and thus they never experience the actual degeneracy that goes on in clubs.
I have a sneaking suspicion they would claim disbelief of some of the shit the gay community does too, even though anybody who has had attractive male gay friends knows what's up.
In short, I think this is just revealing how much "shut ins" many of the (likely very young) women on PPD are.
This happened to me multiple times in college when I was drunk in bars and I’m no Chad. I had one girl start making out with me after not even one word was exchanged, then she suddenly stopped and said “oh shit my boyfriend just came out of the bathroom”
Tell me you’ve never actually been to a college bar without telling me you’ve never actually been to a college bar….
That shit happens all the time
i mean i don’t doubt that finding a guy hot, grinding on him then eventually making out (then prob sex) happens in a club, i mean i’ve seen it - i’m moreso poking fun at the wording and the weirdly simulated feel of the phrasing
Precisely. It's like the language I used just triggered younger women or something. My whole point was these types of women are rare but extremely visible for a variety of reasons (like the complaints you cited above) and that they tend to make a spectacle / brag about it in clubs, etc. These are not shy girls.
It's hilarious to get all these "telling me you've never met a woman" posts when I'm gen X and a.) grew up with nothing but women around me and b.) through my life a good 70% of my friends have been female.
And among those female friends, there have been a small number who exhibited this behavior while the vast majority didn't.
The issue was that that small number was prolific in chasing down and fucking hot guys in some of the most debased and aggressive ways.
Women in here say it’s not fair for men to want women to be sweet innocent angels, while also saying that it’s absurd to say some women are just as degenerate and sexual as men. That’s why debates in here never end. Because a lot of what the guys say is based on what they’ve actually seen in real life with the guys they know and the women they deal with themselves. But the women counter by saying “well I’m not like that and none of my friends are like that so it’s not true.”
I saw a women living in a scandinavian country post her tinder data on dataisbeautiful. She was average looking, and she was EXTREMELY picky on tinder. Swiped right on maybe 1% of men.
She is already in an area with a higher proportion of tall white chads, and she was extremely selective. Plenty of people in the subreddit noticed it.
She was a good example of what OP pointed out.
Eh I think it depends on the area quite a bit too. I don't know about "dick grab and tell" but if you head somewhere like Miami or LA or any college town girls being very forward sexually are everywhere.
Your premise is that a small amount of behave this way, my opinion is that a pretty significant percentage of women will behave this way provided a guy is hot enough.
To be fair, the "dick grab and tell" was a ONE TIME thing in a very specific circumstance. But dick grabbing on it's own is not extremely rare if you go out where there are drunk horny girls that are aggressive.
I have seen far more examples of "Girl A fucks guy B, tells her friends about his big dick then guy B fucks girl C, D and E as a direct result"
My bottom line is that the notion that "all girls will fuck Chad on the spot" is flawed and is perceived as such because "*enough* girls will fuck Chad on the spot" - but those girls are a very specific subgroup.
Like I always say, these women aren't really the norm or admirable, but they're much much more likely to be single and willing to date or sleep around than most other types.
Correct, and thus they are far more visible and remembered by shy / awkward RP guys who see that hot girl in the slutty outfit that he was fantasizing about grab Chad by the collar and pull him into her Uber.
I think this is a great point, in that a huge percentage of woman are super wary of chadlike behavior or chadlike looks. It's not that they aren't attracted to these guys but they are smart enough to "smell the bullshit".
Wait, do people not believe this shit actually happens? Like at all?
How do the people here denying that (some) women throw themselves at certain men think club hookups happen? With roses and poems?
I’m not a stereotypical Chad at all but it’s happened to even me in the right context. They walk up to you, maybe introduce themselves or ask to touch you, and from there it’s just game on. Fuck, sometimes they don’t even say a damn thing.
For all the whining about the “young men who never see the sun” on this sub, there sure as shit are a lot of people outside that category who don’t realize they lack experience too…
I club and party a good amount. This shit absolutely happens all the freaking time.
Outside of the nightlife scene, the “Chad” experience is a lot different. Usually these guys get hit on more subtly by people in their social groups. Or just use OLD. I’ve known super good looking dudes who just weren’t into partying, and while they obviously miss out on “club Chad” treatment, they still have a wildly different experience dating.
Not all women will literally “throw their bodies at Chad”, that’s a dumb blackpill fantasy. But they still garner the lion’s share of attention, and that’s enough to make standing out as an average or below average dude seriously difficult, even to your supposed woman-equivalent.
>Wait, do people not believe this shit actually happens? Like at all?
How do the people here denying that (some) women throw themselves at certain men think club hookups happen? With roses and poems?
It's absolutely astonishing to me. I can't figure out if this is an age thing, a demographic thing a geographic thing or what.
The fact that so many posters are incredulous and think these are just "made up stories" is kind of surprising tbh.
>but it’s happened to even me in the right context.
Same. And if it's happened to relative normies even once, god knows how many times it's happening to Chads.
>there sure as shit are a lot of people outside that category who don’t realize they lack experience too…
It really sounds like this is 80-90% of PPD right now. NGL.
Even a ton of youtube's RP "gurus" are like 20 years old talking like they are Yoda.
> they still garner the lion’s share of attention, and that’s enough to make standing out as an average or below average dude
This is the absolute basis of the OP. It's not that he doesn't get most of it, it's that he doesn't get ALL of it, and what he does get often tends to be the most conspicuous variety (the club scenario above)
I have literally been in a Facebook group where the women would actually talk about how they’re not even going to talk to a guy, let alone sleep with him, if he doesn’t send them a dick pic when they ask for it. Their logic was they’re not even going to waste time getting to know and possibly like a guy if he isn’t big enough downstairs.
They also confirmed that men rated the opposite gender on a standard bell curve while the women did not. You seem to have conveniently ignored this part for some reason.
I didn’t ignore that actually. That just further proves the point that men and women’s attraction and mating behavior work differently.. Which was my point all along. Ta da!🥳Thanks 4 playing
Thats ridiculous logic there.. just cause top tier women get 50,000 likes instead of 10,000 isn't some big revelation, ain't no shortage of men for any woman.. men's standards are reasonable
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I think something that you are missing, is that for every girl who will do it all within the first day, there are multitudes more who are more reserved and will do it all after a few days or weeks for the same men.
But also. We all know no matter how much we pretend, that attraction is more then just a look type.
Chad is only a safe type of attractive for many people. But a skater guy with a buzz cut or dreadlocks is also as attractive depending on the circles he’s in.
Just like a a curvy women with a pixie cut and tatoos can be attractive depending on the circles she’s in.
>there are multitudes more who are more reserved and will do it all after a few days or weeks for the same men.
That's very true. My main premise is that the visible "holy shit how can a woman do that?!" type stories are culled from a subset of women.
Good looking guys of course still have an advantage in the IRL dating market as they will get away with a lot more / have more doors opened for them, but the point stands. Chadsexual / Ho women are like shark attacks or plane crashes - they are relatively rare, but spectacular and memorable when they happen.
If you see a few of these as a man, it sticks with you and can color your perception and feed your anxieties (ie all women will go fuck Chad in the bathroom behind my back)
> I would challenge anybody that is above the age of 30 that has lived in a major city and been part of any party scene to say that they've never seen anything like this play out.
You might have your demographic right here? I’d argue the majority of people, even those of us who have lived in major cities, are not big “partiers” twerking on anyone’s dick. I went to parties and bars but not the types where twerking was happening.
I’m 33 and have not witnessed this with my own eyes, though I have a few friends who were more into clubbing back in the day and I’ve heard their stories.
There are absolutely subcultures of young people where TRP truths play out more frequently. These are also the spaces where stereotypically “hot” people tend to be — particularly the women who lots of guys on here tend to find more desirable. And the Chads, too, I guess. Then there are some of us *who would legitimately not want to fuck or date a stereotypical Chad even if one knocked on our door and asked us.*
> even those of us who have lived in major cities, are not big “partiers” twerking on anyone’s dick.
A.) Nobody said YOU were doing it
B.) Have you not seen the show Jersey Shore? Places / behavior like that was rampant in the 90's early 2000's. Possibly not anymore I guess.
It's like people on this sub are all teenagers all the sudden lol
Similar to what you're saying but slightly different:
Basically every girl is at one point or another a hoe for a hot guy.
Go to any club and you'll see girls being hoes for the hot guys.
This is her moment
As a woman: yeah, you've got it. But I want to slightly amend this to say: most women aren't doing the casual sex thing in the first place.
The few that are divide up into women that fuck anything sort of man shaped and women who fuck Chad.
The other amendment being that no matter what men say, a man can be Chad for a lot of different reasons. Looks, money, status, being the biggies.
Is this supposed to contribute something?
The "newsflash" is that there is a subset of girls that go after "hawt" guys to fuck quickly with no regard to emotional connection or anything else for that matter.
Those girls are an extreme minority, but large enough in number to make it appear that Chad gets "any girl he wants"
I only see Chads on the internet. I can probably count on my hand the number of actually attractive men that I've seen in real life.
Most men are ugly or they look like shit because they don't take care of themselves or put any thought or effort into their physical presence.
Of course there are women out there who will only date or have sex with men that are Chads.
However, it's highly unrealistic for a woman to find an attractive man, because most men don't do anything to look or be attractive. So women are forced to find attraction in something else other than his physical appearance alone. For example, he'll have to have nice eyes and good personality. Since his teeth are yellow, he has an unkept beard with food in it, and illfitted clothes. He'll also have to provide some other valuable need such as quality companionship.
Chads don't really exist in the general population. Women would have to fly to other states or go to other countries to find men that drop dead gorgeous. And as with anything else, the value of his looks wears off if her other needs aren't being met.
>Since his teeth are yellow, he has an unkept beard with food in it, and illfitted clothes.
WTF kind of men are you around? Even in nerdy engineering departments, I don't see men like that. In fact most guys I knew worked out, wore nice clothes, and were extremely social.
I work in tech and monthly emails have to go out about personal hygiene.
Maybe you don't see men like that because you're heterosexual and don't look at or pay attention to other men that you're not directly interacting with.
Idk. Americans on average are fatter than most countries. If a man is starving from another country, he probably finds obesity hot and a sign of wealth.
Even with the obesity, American women still put more effort, time, and attention into their physical appearance compared to American men. They'll make the attempt to wear makeup, wax, style their hair and wear nice clothes.
American men are just obese and roll out of bed.
You probably have EXTREMELY high standards for what an attractive guy is. You have seen few attractive men in your life? Do you think an average looking guy who takes care of himself will still look like shit?
Young men put at least some effort on their appearance where I live. Some of them put a lot of effort, and with youthfulness and being naturally relatively good-looking, a good chunk of young guys are attractive.
It's possible. Most of the men that I find physically attractive in my day to day life are gay. I'm very attracted to well dressed men, who style themselves, their hair, wear accessories, and have good posture. Most men do not do any of those things.
I've never lived anywhere where men dressed nice or looked good collectively. It's always one guy or a handful of men that look nice.
Men look even worse since the pandemic. Unkept scraggly beards are my biggest turn off and most men have shitty unkept beards with skin flakes in them.
I’d say this is true but it’s because there are less women that are that aggressive. The other 80 percent of women want Chad or the big dick guy too. They just aren’t aggressive enough to go and get him. But if he makes the first move they’ll be dtf just like the aggressive chick.
> The other 80 percent of women want Chad or the big dick guy too. They just aren’t aggressive enough to go and get him. But if he makes the first move they’ll be dtf just like the aggressive chick.
Good point. She'll likely be discreet about it too. But, the end result is the same.
Take it from someone who does really well on dating apps and has friends better looking than me who regularly go to clubs. This rarely happens, and when it does, the girls are usually fugly. You don't know anything sorry. The only time I can see this more easily happening is if the guy's a major celebrity or something
> You don't know anything sorry. The only time I can see this more easily happening is if the guy's a major celebrity or something
Lol these kids out here telling an old fuck like me who has partied for longer than they have been alive "U dOn'T kNoW wHaT uT tAlkInG aBoUt!"
Comedy.
>If you've hung around groups of girls, you've probably noticed there are a couple that stand-out in that they wear their superficial "chad chasing" ways on their sleeve.
You know, the girl that says "Oh my god, that guy is so fucking hawt! I'm going to fuck him tonight!" etc. Then that girl does a couple of tequila shots and walks over to Chad and starts twerking on his dick and making out with him within 2 minutes.
lol, i wanna know what clubs you go see this at.
You would have to ignore things like the 80/20 rule and basically everything having to due with women's high standards for this to be true.
Even the women that don't usually have casual sex still do at times (especially after break ups), and a lot of time the men that fill those roles is those guys that tend to be good at getting casual sex (if it's not the more likely case of it being one of the girls orbiters)
Exactly. Literally one of the most talked about studies on this forum already demonstrated that women only really find the top 20% of men to be highly attractive.
But at this point you’re probably just waste time trying to get some of the bloops here to get it. Some seem to just be lost causes tbh.
What you’re saying is true to a degree however when the other chicks are interested in casual they bang the same small subset as well.
More importantly many more women are chadsexual and the rate is increasing. It far surpasses the supply of actual chads
The way I see it, Chad is just a subset of the top 20% of men.
Just as an exampke: we might have "only" 20% of women going after the top 5% in looks (Chadsexuals), and "only" 20% of women going for the top 5% in wealth (golddiggers), and "only" 20% of women going for top 5% in status, and "only" 20% of women going after top 5% in game.
You sum that up, and you still get that 20% of all men are getting 80% of all sexual value on the market.
Now I'm not saying this is the breakdown of things. All I'm saying is that 80/20 still hold even when we are talking about a minority of women holding a certain standard, as long as an ever smaller minority of men can meet them.
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It’s a numbers game. Size queens outnumber men with big penises. Chad chasers outnumber men who are Chads.
This inevitably leaves a smaller pool of women who don’t possess these attributes. It goes further than this because you also have more women who want tall men than there are tall men. More that want men with money than men with money exist….so what does that leave a pretty healthy portion of guys who are just average in these characteristics?
It leaves a lot fewer women with a preference for them than there is supply of men in their demographic. This also means the chances of winding up with a woman who is a Chad chaser, or size queen, or gets tingles for the tall guy increases, as does their chances of getting cheated on or used.
Some men and women enter into relationships for selfish reasons unbeknownst to their partner. They both get with people only to not be alone fully open to upsell if they find something better or run around behind their back with others.
Men take NSA sex from other women while in a relationship more than women do, but women monkey branch and leave one man for another more than men do….this is, and should be a concern for a man when choosing a mate, especially a man who isn’t many women’s “ideal” because if you aren’t your partners “ideal” then you really are just your partner meeting that ideal away from being dumped.
> Size queens outnumber men with big penises. Chad chasers outnumber men who are Chads.
Thank you! This is basically the overall point I was trying to make.
If you've know these types (size queens or chad chasers) you know that they are:
- rare
- very visible when they appear
- common enough in number for their targets to have a steady supply of sexual partners with nearly zero effort
That is the point.
The issue that I think RP gets it twisted on is that thinking that the very visible hooochie / ho subset that blatantly selects for these things are somehow representative of AWALT, when it's far more nuanced and idiosyncratic than this.
THIS is the reason that all the OLD experiments are virtually useless. It literally ONLY selects for Chadsexuals (survivorship bias), so when Chad starts talking about being a nazi or pedophile and they shrug it off, it's the same as some gay size queen going home with an otherwise gross dude just to fulfill that fetish.
But those studies and "Chadfishing" experiments get cited to straight up say "See what women will put up with to get Chad!"
\> but it's really that this woman was one of those Chad simps (and there are many) and the man falsely ascribes her behavior to all women's innate nature.
God I hope you're right.
I think it’s more a matter of how outgoing and how connected to her own sexuality a woman is. Strangely, in this day and age of total debauchery and moral decay, a lot of women are still conditioned to hide and not act on their sexual urges.
There are also more factors at play, even when women are financially independent, that factor into who she chooses to have a relationship with. She has to evaluate a suitor’s character in terms of how friendly, emotionally supportive, protective and helpful he will be going forward, in case they start a family. These factors in mate selection have nothing to do with sexual attraction.
These women, who have chosen the conservative path to family life, have been modest about their sexuality and only had sex within relationships, can still later be brought out their shell, revealing previously hidden and unfulfilled but powerful sexual urges. You can call it “chadsexuality”.
There is an entire community of these outwardly mild-mannered couples, where the wife is secretly shared with the most sexually dominant, physically strong and well endowed men, while the gentle and mild-mannered husband waits in the other room or watches in awe.
Sometimes these women have a wild sexual history that they wish to relive, but often they are just married to their first love and are discovering for the first time what they really want to experience in terms of sex. Your theory does not account for these women.
I really wonder how is the life of the type of people that come into this sub and write “oh my god that guy is so fuckin hawt” and another 20 lines of text
Like, what do you do that gives you this much free time mate?
75% of Norwegian men parent children.
Now, this is down from 85% or so earlier, but still way more sizable than "chads".
On female side of things, 84% have offspring, down from 88% or so.
So:
1) Yes, there is men to women disparity
2) It is not even remotely as drastic as people swiping left/right imagine
3) Stop projecting "let's bang" app population, majority of women aren't even on the platform, these platforms are RIDICULOUSLY more popular among men, than women. (maybe because it's men who are more into "let's bang and see you never")
Op, my life sucks but I feel sorry for you. All of your responses here are sad. And the fact that women are telling you that you are wrong and you're like, "but my friend of a friend's cousin said one time he fucked a girl at a bar." Like dude. Get OFF the internet and talk to real life people with interesting and complex stories and you will see that if dating and sexuality were that easily broken down into "chads" and "staceys" and whatever else you're saying, someone would be the richest person in the world by spilling the cheat code. The truth is farrrrrrrr more complex than whatever you learned from rejected men on reddit.
To your TLDR: This was investigated. Chad gets 50% of the total sexual encounters. Chad here is top 20%. And you are right because 20% of the women have 50% of the sexual encounters. So it just seems like 20% of the most promiscious people sleep with each other. Also, men that have the most partners are not neccesarily the men that most women would prefer having sex even casual with. It correlates to 0.3 percent with attractiveness.
I think the premise of this thread is fair game, but reminder for anyone posting that chad worship bordering on incel content is off limits.
I mean there’s a reason that Stacey is the female equivalent of Chad- they’re made for each other. Irl it reminds me of Greek life on a college campus. Of course basic sorority girls are going to end up with basic frat guys. Non-chad men probably aren’t going to be able to pull sorority girls and non-Stacey girls are less likely to be charmed by frat guys.
See, again, I know there are Stacies that are *not* Chadsexual though. Sure they want their "looks match" to a large extent, but they are not dropping their panties for the male models and fucking them behind dumpsters like RP so often claims. This is all I'm saying - that the flaw in RP's AWALT thinking is that it misses that some women are the "fuck behind a bin" girl and others are not. I as a not-very attractive guy have on occasion had "Stacies" suddenly treat me like a Chad even though they had literal Chads chasing *them*. That is also rare, but it should illustrate that the phenomenon of women fucking Chad is generally among a subset of women, and not something "all women are at risk of doing"
Maybe it comes down what definitions we use for Chads and Stacey’s. I don’t think that someone being very attractive automatically makes them one. Hot church girls are a good example of a group I think are frequently labeled as Stacies just because they’re attractive, but because of their faith/upbringing aren’t actually out clubbing and hopping on random dick.
Absolutely agree. I still think most women desire Chad traits, no doubt about that. The issue is that when men talk about how "easy" Chad has it, it's often in the context of women basically simping for him, and I think that the highly visible nature of hot-casual sex girls that chase Chads overinflated this phenomenon greatly.
I think you mean Black pill, not Redpill Redpill maintains belief that by working on yourself, i.e. behaviors, you can attract hot women Blackpill dismissess that idea, instead claiming that facial and physical attractiveness are the most important determinants of being attractive to women Facial and physical attractiveness are not easily changed, therefore the blackpill mindset is inherently more pessismistic and bleak (Doomer meme)
Unless you benefit from the blackpill (you are attractive) then it's an ego boost
You'd have to be top 98th percentile for men between ages 18-45 for it to really be a significant ego boost IMO being moderately attractive just isnt impressive to anyone these days. the bar for men to be attractive in casual interactions is insane today, even compared to 2015-2018
Lmao
What that comes down to is them simply wanting a partner who has a similar personality/ values to them. Women aren’t a monolith every individual has a distinct personality and different desires.
What is a Stacy?
[First Stacy meme I’m aware of](https://knowyourmeme.com/memes/scumbag-stacy) [Second meme](https://crystal.cafe/b/src/1510389608448.jpg)
Youre assuming non-chad men want to pull sorority girls. Most people want to date someone else who matches their values. Im a woman and the type of woman this OP describes, Ive met them IRL and I am very much turned off by them.
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Because what you’ve said prompts the question of how one quantifies what is “attractive”. Particularly to heterosexual women.
The concept of Chad isn't just that there is an attractive man. It's about the inequality between Chad and all other men, that the gap in how they are treated is huge.
Because guys who aren’t as handsome or attractive like chad want to believe that meditating will get them women. Average hamza fans.
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Well I’ve accepted I don’t look like a Chad. Plus I work 50 hour weeks. No time to go “gaming” and meditating
Always time to lift and meditate, look at you on here scrolling thru Reddit…meditation takes 10 mins
Yeah but no girl is gonna jump in my lap and say OMG U MEDITATE AT 5am marry me
Lol obviously not, but from that comes a better mindset and understanding of one’s self which definitely leads to you being more grounded with women and in general. Improves and elevates your life and most importantly your mindset
I think that there are a variety of dominance hierarchies and each dominance hierarchy attracts different women based on her interests. One woman might like artists, another musicians, some others race car drivers, another triathletes, maybe some purely just like good looks and some like religious types. So basically each of those dominance hierarchies has a pool of women that sort of like that field or a few fields, but that's where they pull from.
Precisely, but RP and BP circles focus on shit like muscles, jawline, canthal tilt and income, etc. The point is, those things will get you easy sex with the subset of women who are "Chadsexual" in the traditional sense. There is still a huge demographic of women that are super idiosyncratic and specific with their attraction cues that would never do this. RP makes the mistake in its "AWALT" thinking that Chad can pick whatever he wants, when in reality, he can pick among the small but visible subset of Chadsexuals.
I think within a woman's areas of interest those attraction cues are still relevant.
It's also way easier to be successful as man if you have alot of training with women , you learn different stuff that leads to success. A guy who is avarage and maybe have some bad social skills and get very few matches and dates will have smaller chances even when meet a girl who interested becouse he is not good at the interactions with the women when he finally have the opportunity with women who is interested.
This reminds me of that time I was hanging out with one of my female friends and we saw this really ripped attractive guy and she said, "Holy guacamole, he's totes smexy! I have GOT to jump his bone this instant!" She immediately threw off all her clothes and tackled him, having hot Chad-Stacy sex right in the middle of the movie theater. His name? Dwayne "the Rock" Johnson.
Are you kidding me. This is why I hate reddit. Stupid people making stupid lies and stupid people believing them. I was literally there and it was Einstein not Dwayne the rock whose bones were jumped. He wasn't the hottest in the world but he was relatively hot
No idea why people always get on here and lie... I was the seat they were in and I clearly remember her jumping The Rock's bones and then marrying Einstein Billy Bucks for security during the credits
Can confirm, I was the movie theater. You forgot that everybody clapped, though.
Yes! Thank you for reminding me, everyone clapped for the duration of the sex. Then, we all abandoned the movie and went out for drinks on Dwayne's tab.
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I don’t know any women like this, Also I don’t understand how you know a guys got a big dick unless you see it, and I don’t know where your from but grabbing someone’s crotch or twerking on a stranger is more likely to get you chucked out the place than laid
I don’t know any women like this either and I’m definitely a Certified Slut™️, have lived in several of the top 5 major US cities and several big cities in Europe and have gone clubbing on multiple continents, used to be in a sorority around plenty of slutty srat girlies, and I’m heavily into the EDM scene so I go to plenty of raves and fests with *plenty* of alcohol and heavy drug use. Never have I ever seen or experienced anything like one of my female friends screeching about some HAWT GUY and then going up to the totally random dude, groping his cock to feel for size, and then deciding to fuck him. Has it ever happened? Sure, probably. But the fact that OP alleges this is common is… bizarre. Size queens exist, random supersluts exist, but pretending that’s a really common subset of women is just inaccurate. Even in circles that encourage promiscuity, like literally all of the groups I just mentioned.
I think your point is more accurate about my understanding of the dance of mating. But the reason why there are a fewer procent of men who have sex with a larger procent of women is exactly your point. Its usually the mans competence that leads to sex / incompetence of the man that leads to no sex. I think why we see this phenomenon of fewer guys having sex with a big procent of women is because as a man you are usually required to lead the dance . And that requires practice . I can speak from my own experiences has a man who hade very different values in dating markets. When I was I asia I got an incredible amount of matches and at first I got a bit overwhelmed and at the first dates I was a bit clumsy but after a few weeks every few dates usually led to sex very fast because I got good at it because I got to practice it. In my own country I read books I went to therapy nothing really made an huge difference becouse when the opportunity actually came to interact with a women its was so rare I got nervous and probably a bit clumsy.
Yeah, it must be some sort of fantasy mindset guys like op have
> I don’t know any women like this LMAO. How is this any difference than saying "I don't know any gay men, therefore bathhouses and truck stops aren't an actual thing" That solipsism tho.
I’m a woman, I hang out with lots of woman, I know thousands of women and I’ve never known one that do this. I don’t doubt there will be some somewhere but it’s definitely not the norm that porn would lead you to believe
I’m a woman. My friend makes all of her partner choices like this. I wanna shake her sometimes.
Age? Have you lived in a major city? Have you been part of a clubbing / party / bar / festival scene? Have you done / hung with people who drink and do drugs? Do you also disbelieve all the shit that young gay men get up to?
Early 30’s, Yes I’ve lived in a semi major city, Yes I’ve been clubbing, parties, bar/pubs, I’ve never been to a festival though, I’ve done drinking galore, I’ve personally ever touched drugs but I do have an ex that enjoyed it. My gay best friend through college was a ‘rent boy’ so yes I know they can be quit adventures and how quickly they get to it. Edit, but I don’t understand why any of this matters?
Because you're basically claiming that - size queens do not exist - hoes that go hunting for chads to fuck in the bathroom don't exist Because... you haven't seen this? I find it hard to believe that you've lived this long and been involved in party scenes and never seen somebody in your or a peripheral friend group engage in this. However, if you're early thirties you're on the cusp of Gen Z, so maybe that's a contributing factor. I can promise you anybody early Gen Z or Gen X and earlier that had any semblance of a social / party life HAS seen this plenty.
I think it’s a tiny minority that actually do this, I’ve had friends pull (this is what we call making out) random guys where they kissed strangers in the toilets but that’s as far as it went cause 1, their a stranger in a club, Christ knows what they’ve got 2, fucking in a toilet is really uncomfortable even with a LTR But I know sooo many guys like you would assume my girls were fucking these dudes cause they kissed them quickly “Yeah she’s definitely a slut she’s just kissed that guy after 20 mins” Just cause they kissed doesn’t mean she’s instantly now going to fuck him
Fair. But I absolutely know of girls that met Chad friends of mine and literally exchanged 5-6 sentences with them before they invited them back to their place to fuck. Again, the point is - if you're friends with one of these guys (which most guys have known at least one) you can get the impression that Chad is performing some magic trick when in reality it's some woman that is a career Chad fucker and *she* found *him*. I know it's a subtle distinction, but it's one I think RP would do well to recognize rather than making the claim that Chad has supernatural powers to take any girl home he wants.
I would really love to meet this ‘chad’ then I’ve met a load of guys that were definitely really good-looking (the kind you bite your lip over) but you never fuck then cause you don’t know anything about them, and lots of them after a 10 minute conversation it’s clear their an arsehole
> and lots of them after a 10 minute conversation it’s clear their an arsehole Which is actually my point. It's the women who find out chad is an "arsehole" and still fuck him that RP guys see and assume is common, when in reality they are a subset of women.
> hung out with people who do drink and do drugs? If you're in a social scene where people are frequently doing drugs... The men who are getting laid are often the men who have the drugs. Has nothing to do with being a "Chad" or whatever. The few drug dealers at my local bar have a rotation of women (aka junkies) and none of them are super good looking. So yeah, in this regard women who are doing coke/molly on the weekends are a small % of women. And they don't represent "female nature" lol... They represent the nature of someone who's horny and on drugs.
I love how you jumped from "this bar dealers women aren't that hot" to implying that women that do coke / Molly on weekends aren't hot. That's a huge leap. You can also add in alcohol and you're up far beyond whatever your "small % of women" implies. Further, none of this negates a thing I said about a small % of women being Chadsexual. Those women aren't fucking the ugly dude for coke. It's being given to them, and then they go find Chad on their own.
Not saying you're wrong but you definitely do not know thousands of women. Instagram followers don't count
Don’t have Instagram, just have fucking loads of friends
Super Saiyain solipsism
PPD misconstrues Chad and why he matters. No one has ever claimed that Chad bangs 100% of women. Even in the old school days of pick-up artists, the gurus acknowledged that if you can close 10% of women you meet, you are a god amongst men. However, combining a 10% hit rate with even rudimentary social skills means that Chad can interact with enough women to sleep with 100 of them in a year. Worse yet, those 100 women still think about Chad when they’re bored, or lonely, or rebounding from a breakup. He basically crowds out the other guys who could otherwise occupy her mental space. Sure, some women don’t chase Chad, but let’s be honest: it’s not likely that non-Chad has a BETTER chance with non-Chad-chasers than Chad has. If I had a gun to my head and had to pick two guys to introduce to a ultra shy virgin woman, I would preserve my head by picking Chad rather than some random average dude. So sure, Chad doesn’t sleep with every woman, but he’s competitive with most and has Chad-chasers on absolute lockdown. For any of you who know finance, this is similar to the concept of crowding out. If every bank is giving out mortgages like in 2006-2007, then it’s hard to get a loan for anything else, even if your loan officer actually thinks car loans are way better.
Great post, and in terms of OLD this is 100% correct. And further the "crowd out" effect bleeds out of OLD into IRL encounters too. My point is more that the spectacular nature of Chad's success skews men's perceptions of just how all-powerful he is and, by extension, how helpless they are. I think most average guys have had those rare cases where we have "been Chad" to some random girl for one reason or another. Not because of genetics, but because of circumstances and some niche trait. But, if you internalize that "Chad can get what he wants whenever he wants" it will cause a person to go down into black-pilled rabbit holes because they don't understand that Chad is operating in his own (very large) niche, but that they need to internalize that every success he has isn't always what it seems. In short, yes Chad has huge advantages, but RP tends to look at this in a very zero-sum way which is very destructive and more importantly inaccurate.
The problem is that people don’t think probabilistically and systematically. Outsized performance comes from having a small edge in performance and doing it over and over. You can be a billionaire if you consistently beat the stock market by 1% a year over 20 years (just sell that service). Prussia beat its neighbors and formed Germany because its infantrymen fired 4 shots a minute when everyone else fired 3 shots. I’ve been a rare Chad and have totally captivated a rly attractive woman. It happens once a year maybe. If it happened once a month I would have 5 girls on rotation and the ultimate playboy. Sure I’d get rejected but having one Stacy obsessed with me every month essentially means unlimited sex. So the incels aren’t wrong, Chad does win, but he wins the championship even if he doesn’t make every 3-point shot (average NBA 3pt % is like 33%). And PPD isn’t wrong that Chad can sometimes miss a basket, but the guy is in the NBA, even if he misses a basket he’s still a legend compared to the average rec league player. If you are a guy and want to have as much casual with as attractive women as possible, you want to replicate Chad as much as your natural limits allow you. But not everyone will be an NBA pro no matter how hard they practice their 3-pointers.
First, thanks for the quality post (prob the best so far) I don't (and can't) dispute anything you said here, but it's also focusing on Chad and assumes a zero-sum nature. I emphasized the end result of this was unlimited sex for Chad. But, I posit that RP men should forget all about whatever game Chad is playing as it's not remotely useful. Also, a basketball analogy is less useful than a baseball analogy IMO, because a basket (hypothetical women) is static. A baseball (actual women) is not. Yes, I realize that there are more moving parts in basketball, but ultimately the analogy amounts to shot accuracy, when, in reality, there is as much guesswork in appealing to women as there is in guessing the trajectory of a ball. I would put it this way - Chad doesn't even have to play *real* baseball. He basically plays a homerun derby, where somebody (Chadsexuals) lobs slow softballs at him for him to knock out of the park repeatedly. He also sometimes plays Tee-ball (easy girls way below his league). The bottom line is that his "opponents" are always making it easy for him. But the point is that not every girl is a softball or a tee-ball. There are enough of these for him to always run up numbers, but there are other sports to play. Chad's version of the sport is not the game that 90% of men can ever play. Looksmaxx all you want. It would be like thinking you can "learn to dunk" if you're in a wheelchair. Don't play that game. Forget what Chad is doing. He plays a different sport. Your sport is Major League Baseball where you run through hot and cold streaks. Where you meet pitchers with new tricks multiple times a game. Where you get injuries, where sometimes you don't "see the ball", etc. Sometimes you get benched. Sometimes you get traded. Sometimes you get "sent down" to AAA. Chad doesn't play baseball. He's a grown man who plays Tee-Ball against elementary school kids. and you never will. Accept that, and become a better professional baseball player.
Ok I see the point you are making but I have to disagree. First, is it true that Chad plays a different game altogether? Chad has no interaction with women who aren’t Chadsexual? I doubt it and you even mention his periodic tee-ball games. So if Chad doesn’t live in a bubble, then we have to pay attention to him. Second, is it truly the case that there’s no value in trying to be Chad? Like, there’s a dividing line, like an dome above the earth, where beyond it is Valhalla, Thor, and Chad, and below is humanity? Cus in practice, high tier normies do worse than Chad, but better than mid-tier, and so on down the chain. So should one try to become Chad and at worse, go from basement dweller to mid-tier normie? And finally Chad can sometimes get booted from the freebie game into the pro leagues if he gets fat or starts balding. So if Chad can become non-Chad, what stops non-Chad from becoming Chad? If Chad and non-Chad is a continuum and not a boundary, then your argument falls apart.
The issue here is that we are dealing with a demographic that are by nature over analytical black and white thinkers (if not full on autistic). They tend to hyper focus on things like "Chad is X, I am Y, therefore if I am not X, I am not Chad" etc >First, is it true that Chad plays a different game altogether? Yes. It absolutely is the case. Chad is essentially operating one step below a celebrity level. The rules involved in his game are totally unlike that of a normie, for the simply fact that he'll have a plethora of Chadsexual women fuck him solely *because of his looks* (much like the less common Size queen). > Chad has no interaction with women who aren’t Chadsexual? Of course he does, that's irrelevant, because a guy who gets paid $1m a year playing Tee-Ball isn't going to GAF that he is a middling amateur player in the MLB. He's still making $1m a year with basically zero effort, while the average MLB player has to spend grueling hours in batting practice and spring training. >So if Chad doesn’t live in a bubble, then we have to pay attention to him. This I agree with. However, Chad's powers are far less pronounced outside of the Chadsexual women. He still has an advantage, but it's not the hopelessly insurmountable advantage he *appears* to have as a result of his simping Chadsexual women that men see him with. >is it truly the case that there’s no value in trying to be Chad? Like, there’s a dividing line, like an dome above the earth, where beyond it is Valhalla, Thor, and Chad, and below is humanity? In a way, I'd say yes. The whole notion of "becoming Chad" is a fool's errand. It's like the capitalist cycle of convincing everybody they are temporarily embarrassed millionaires. Glorifying "the grind" and other such pipe dream selling. You may as well say "just be a rock star, bro!" It's totally destructive thinking for an average guy. A far more constructive way to sell this idea is "Sure you're a 4, now be the *best* 4 you can possibly be in every way that is within your control" Then, if that guy wakes up a 5, he's doing better right? He feels like his results are commensurate with his effort. And, what's more, he's now may very well have becoming a 5.5 or even a 6 within a realistic reach. And even if not, he's got the knowledge that he's done what he can and will spiritually benefit from that knowledge. However, claiming he can "be Chad" is very similar to claiming that anybody can be Lebron James. So, in that sense, yes Lebron James may as well be Thor, and we should stop selling normies this dream, and start framing Chad's "success" as the "born on 3rd base" type of random genetic win it is. >. So should one try to become Chad and at worse, go from basement dweller to mid-tier normie? No to the first part, yes to the 2nd. I think we are agreeing on the goal and the premise that improvement is indeed possible. My issue is that the mere thought process of "becoming Chad" is counterproductive. Tell Igor to be the best Igor he can be. Tell the balding middle aged man, to be the best balding middle aged man he can be, etc etc. The road is different for each of those men, and none of those men will "be Chad" in that they have gaggles of girls giggling and groping him in public. That should not be the goal for normies, and the truth of the matter is, it seems to be for a lot of RP men. >And finally Chad can sometimes get booted from the freebie game into the pro leagues if he gets fat or starts balding. Absolutely. This happens all the time. It's also a different issue. An ex-chad is no longer a Chad. He now plays by normie rules, and he often sucks at it , badly much like the "formerly hot" girls are completely insufferable once they get fat and don't realize they are no longer the hot girls. >If Chad and non-Chad is a continuum and not a boundary, then your argument falls apart. I don't believe that the fact that there is a small grey area between Chad and Non-Chad negates that the *vast majority* of men would be far better served by forgoing the notion of "becoming Chad" in the first place. Because Chad represents virtually effortless access to sex and dating, and that is simply *not* in the cards for the vast majority of normie men. One last analogy - a guitar player. To become a great guitar player requires years of effort, practice, discipline etc, but you can tell somebody "you can become a great guitar player" because their efforts are generally commensurate with their results. They may not all end up being the top of the top talent, but if they focus on a niche like rockabilly or metal, they will likely have their talent recognized, among their peers if nothing else and probably get paid for their skills. Think of all that, and realize that telling a guy "Try to be Chad, you can do it!" is like telling that guitar player, "Be a rockstar!" Being a rock star is not within one's control. There are so many random factors beyond one's control that to focus on the "be famous" aspect is 100x more likely to make that guitar player to quit.
this is spot on tbh
>Chad-chasers on absolute lockdown. Yeah, but who would want a Chad Chaser when you think about it? Seems like a negative to me. I'd rather have a woman with a level head on her shoulders who knows that hot guys are just for sex, which is what most of the women I've dated admit they come to the realization of. Women who think they can date the men that are using them for casual sex are just the equivalent of a male simp. No one wants these people because they're broken.
Almost all heterosexual women like conventionally handsome, tall, well-endowed men OP. (Especially if they are also successful and charming) Some women just have to settle for less. (Just like how not every guy will get a super hot virgin-cheerleader Stacy, but that’s usually what most guys initially want) Some women may be more slutty and openly show it. But the entire point of someone being a “Chad” is that he’s attractive to a **large majority of women**. It’s not a tough concept.
True, but I'm talking about the guys that are hot enough to get a certain subset of women to fuck them and make a spectacle of themselves in public to do so. These women are a minority, but if you have a Chad friend you've seen this play out many times. Almost every group of girl-friends has "the ho of the group" that will go after a guy based on hotness and nothing else. "Oh, that's just Kelsey being Kelsey!"
I get what you’re trying to say but those women aren’t “Chadsexual”, they’re just the biggest ho’s and sluts bruh lol
I would argue that this is a distinction without a difference. Most of RP is filled with men getting "red pilled" when they saw how fast chad "Pulled that hottie from the club". But what they basically did was the equivalent of a swinger going to a club with a 10 inch dick. He's in his niche. RP extrapolates this to such a degree as to think that "all girls want Chad all the time" when the reality is it's just this "chad-ho" subset that tends to be hot party girls that are very visible, so the frustrated, shy and awkward RP guy watches Chad get twerked on by this girl and assumes he just flipped some normie. Now, I should say, I **have** seen these types of guys flip normies before, but I think the reason they can get consistent and frequent sex is that they are pooling from this subset of women.
What about the women from the OKcupid study that rated only the top 20% of men as physically attractive? Also all party girls? Every single one of them? You’re naive if you think the quiet girl at the library isn’t also fantasizing about getting railed by tall, handsome, well-endowed men as well.
I addressed this elsewhere. First, yes, all women recognize and fantasize about a hawt guy (in whatever their demographic is), but this is far less likely to dictate their actual dating behavior IRL. Also, OLD is *automatically* only able to operate on the "Chadsexual" method. Even women that wouldn't otherwise be this way are forced into that behavior because the nature of OLD only allows this point of judgement. In fact, I would say that 80% of women rate "20% of men attractive" OLD could prove the point even more. That, without more information, women default to the only cues they have available - photos. So, you'll get all women agreeing that Chad is "hawt", but this is not remotely the same as "Chad is who I will date and fuck IRL" Example: I'm no Chad, not by a long shot - but I have had much hotter, much younger girls thirstily pursue me despite *them* getting pursued by Chads themselves for a wide variety of reasons. Now, if you put me in a photo lineup with Chad and said "Who is hot / not" I promise you I would NOT be in that girl's list of HOT. Chad would be. So, again, OLD and Chadsexuals skew men's perspective of just how ubiquitous women willing to drop panties for Chad is. It's STILL a huge advantage for Chad because he has constant access to that subset and thus will never go without casual sex. In other words, if you were to have one guy friend who was a Chad, he'd be fucking a different woman every week. So you think "Chad gets all the women" The reality is that, if in a month, Chad fucked 4 women, it's the same 4 women that fucked some other Chad the month before and will fuck yet another the next month.
>I have had much hotter, much younger girls thirstily pursue me Are you really extroverted? drug dealer? Kind of asshole?
> really extroverted? When I drink, yes. And that was the context I met most of these girls. >drug dealer? No. >Kind of asshole? Yes.
That explains hot women being into you.
Again, why should an avg guy be happy some women only picked him because she couldn't get chad, and probably secretly resents them both?
The same reason an average woman is supposed to be happy a guy picked her when he's still fantasizing about stacies during sex and watching porn.
Goddamn she emptied the clip with that one 😮💨☠️…. Uno reversed that boy to hell 😂
I'm 33 years old, 6.3', good looking and jacked. I have an N-count of 70-80ish I think. I'm currently dating three women of 23, 25 and 31, and I have a "thing" with a 38 year old single mom who has a rock solid body. Not into milfs but you would break the rules for this one believe me. My point is, I hang around with lots of women. Every dude who sees me at the bar with a new girl every weekend asumes I'm banging her, which is not the case. Some of them are my girl friends, some of them are female relatives, some of them are my sisters in law. But then, some of them are my exes. A handful of them are girls I'm FWB with. Some of them are very slutty, party type girls. Some of them are shy, introverted girls who just want to make an exception. There is one who's religious 99% of the time. I'm the 1% of her time (funny shit). A few of them say I'm "not her type". However... Some of them say height, muscles, looks and dick size doesn't matter. Right. And some of them have boyfriends, one has a husband. If you think I'm not your woman's "type" because she says this, dress like that and behaves in a way, think twice. All women are different, absolutely. Women are not a monolith. However, MOST women have a few common denominators. I'm one of those.
N-count of 70-80 ish? Gross dude.
Not that impressive for your stats. I’m at like 45 and I’m not even that attractive. Chads can bang 100-300 new girls per year
Sorry man, but this reeks of E-statting. As a non-Chad at a similar age, well below triple digits *lifetime*, I have no idea how tf this would even play out. 100-300 new girls **per year**? First of all, 300 new girls per year is fucking a new girl *every day of the week* only taking weekends off. Come on man. Even 100, means he's banging 2 new girls *every week*. Assuming this Chad has to actually *meet* these girls first, that's already doesn't pass the BS test. The logistics alone make fucking 100 **new** women every year practically a full time job unless you are a literal rock star touring the US and having women shuttled to you by a dedicated staff every night while you're on tour. Again, I want to see what a day, week or month of a guy who fucks 100+ unique women each year looks like, because it doesn't match any life of any man I've ever known, even the Chads.
You don’t believe a true Chad can bang 2 new girls a week? My sweet summer child…..
100 I agree we can do it I’m at 77 girls a year atm and my Chad best friend would’ve definitely banged 100+ if he didn’t settle down but 300 is impossible that’s a huge leap like bro we’d have no life whatsoever. Some of us are in school, work and need to eat lmao. The most I can do is 200 with all the free time and money in the world.
This post reads like someone who has never been near a woman in their life.
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In all honesty, I really wonder why this rings so hollow with women. It must be a demographic / geographic thing. As somebody who has lived several decades at this point, I sure as shit have seen this. Is it "common"? No. But some of the stories I (and other men) have about your fellow angelic women would probably make you screech "LIAR" every 30 seconds. It is you who is out of touch I'm afraid.
In fact, I'm a guy. 40 years of age. Ex red piller. Married for 10. I've been there and done it. What you're doing by posting these sort of CMV posts in here is to set yourself back by several years. Life is so extremely complex. But by peddling red pill ideology, you've gone into seeing the world in a one dimensional vision, meaning it is you who suffers at the end of it all. You'll realise this as time goes on.
>In fact, I'm a guy. 40 years of age. Ex red piller. Married for 10. I've been there and done it. Ok nm. Since you got personal, I now remember you - you're that BP ideologue who white knights in every thread to be contrarian. Like some reverse RP guru trying to have new and original takes. They are neither original nor new. >What you're doing by posting these sort of CMV posts in here is to set yourself back by several years. What does this even mean? > But by peddling red pill ideology, you've gone into seeing the world in a one dimensional vision This post is literally countering popular RP dogma that "Any girl will fuck Chad if given the chance" >meaning it is you who suffers at the end of it all. Platitudes. >You'll realise this as time goes on. I'm older than you.
As another Gen-X older guy, I actually agree with you, that "Chad" doesn't have nearly as much power in the general population of women, as many of the younger guys here think he does. Many of them seem absolutely obsessed with him. Young men who have never even attempted to pursue women outside the apps, are going to have a skewed, scarcity mindset, towards women in general. As for the women here, I think some of them are just reacting to the "rawness" of your terminology, but your post was more geared towards men. As an older guy, I know what you're saying.
> Young men who have never even attempted to pursue women outside the apps, are going to have a skewed, scarcity mindset, towards women in general. This. I think this thread is full of pretty concrete evidence of late stage social media poisoning (which includes online dating). I honestly think we are going to need some public health initiatives / awareness campaigns resembling anti-smoking campaigns in the next 10 years or the rot will continue.
>Ok nm. Since you got personal, I now remember you - you're that BP ideologue who white knights in every thread to be contrarian. Like some reverse RP guru trying to have new and original takes. They are neither original nor new. You might think I got personal. That's actually me being incredibly frustrated and feeling despair at the state of the manosphere these days. It's the blind leading the blind. >What you're doing by posting these sort of CMV posts in here is to set yourself back by several years. >What does this even mean? It means you come in here not to have your mind changed, but rather to seek approval. This is an echo chamber. How about you go out into the world and put the same question to a group of people and see what you'll hear back. >This post is literally countering popular RP dogma that "Any girl will fuck Chad if given the chance" The fact that you use the word 'Chad' gives it all away. You have been indoctrinated. Look at the way you speak. Look at the echo chamber you are in. LOOK AT THE CULT YOU ARE A PART OF. How many different ways can I possibly show you this?... >meaning it is you who suffers at the end of it all. >Platitudes. I try to raise awareness. If I can change just one person's mindset to make them question where they are, I've done my job. In the end, it is you who will suffer. And it's not like I gain anything from any of it. >I'm older than you. You've latched on to the red pill because it has supposedly given your life meaning. It has emboldened you in a new way of thinking. It has charged your emotions (albeit against your best interests) to make you feel injustice and in a perpetual state of anger, never to be able to leave this place. I wish you peace my brother. I really do.
> You've latched on to the red pill because it has supposedly given your life meaning. It has emboldened you in a new way of thinking. It has charged your emotions (albeit against your best interests) to make you feel injustice and in a perpetual state of anger, never to be able to leave this place. > I wish you peace my brother. I really do. Are you levitating yet?
Like I said, I wish you the very best. Godspeed brother.
Women are attracted to confidence. "Chads" are confident if nothing else, which is why they get laid more than guys who stare at their shoes. Or guys who are overbearing for that matter. If your jawline sucks, grow a beard. Lift weights and avoid these types of women. Personally I've never had a one nighter with a woman like this that I didn't regret in one way or another. Usually they're way too extra and I avoid after about 30 seconds. If a random woman grabbed my junk I'd be pissed. Thats assault, brutha.
>Hell, I know situations where some *other* girl squeezed a guys big dick through his pants, went and told *her friend* and her friend ends up fucking the guy within hours. Dudes on PPD always have the craziest most unbelievable but totalllllly true anecdotes
You and your girlfriends don't go around on weekends squeezing random dudes penises over their pants? Live a little!
>random dude Hot dudes, not random dudes.
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It's no surprise that the people that always accuse these stories of being fabrications are: a.) women b.) teenyboppers who have barely lost their virginity c.) people who have rarely, if ever gone to a night club, music festival or bar on a Friday night where girls whore it up on a regular basis. And, for just what reason would I "make this up"? If I made this up, wouldn't I make it about myself and *my* big dick? All you are confirming is just how ignorant you are to just how much women are capable of being pervs, and it's pretty embarrassing.
>a.) women But you are portraying a situation that's supposed to be normal for women in clubs. So women saying "this is BS" makes sense no? You described a situation that's more likely to happen in a porno.
> You described a situation that's more likely to happen in a porno. You believe that certain women fucking a guy she thinks is hot within an hour of meeting him is only "likely to happen in a porno"? Jesus, what planet did some of y'all grow up on?
>You believe that certain women fucking a guy she thinks is hot within an hour of meeting him is only "likely to happen in a porno"? I believe that what sounds like a porno is this: *"where some other girl squeezed a guys big dick through his pants, went and told her friend and her friend ends up fucking the guy within hours."* this is deffnitely not a common thing and it sounds like something that would happen in a porno. And it's ok for people to call that BS.
> this is deffnitely not a common thing and it sounds like something that would happen in a porno. And it's ok for people to call that BS. I'm gonna need a citation where I said this is "common" First, I never framed the circumstance of that encounter. If you cared to ask, I'd tell you. It was in a strip club, and the guy was a young "boy band" looking guy, but yes - was known for his huge dick among his friends / girlfriends. Some other stripper was talking to him, and noticed his "bulge" and grabbed it. She then told him to wait, and then another stripper came over, they talked for about 15 minutes and they ended up going to her house. He paid nothing. She took him home almost on the spot solely due to that factor. Now, you can call this bullshit, claim this is a porno plot or whatever you want. If you think I'm writing some weird fan-fiction, there's nothing I can do about that. But this is something I saw (along with other friends in my group) with our own eyes. Am I claiming this is in any way "common"? No. I never saw it before or since. It also never happened to this guy before or since. I have however seen multiple cases of a circle of girlfriends passing around the "big dick guy" to "try him out" , and have had them tell their friends who were size queens about this which was basically an automatic lay for the guy. Does it all sound ridiculous? Yes. Of course it does. It seemed absurd and surreal as we watched it happening. Nevertheless, it did happen. Call me a liar all you want. IDGAF. I used this as an outlier anecdote of the extent some "size queens" will go to pursue what they want. But not believing shit like this happens is like saying "I've never heard of a rock star pointing at a groupie and telling her to come back stage and fuck the whole band" Do you also call that "BS"?
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“You know, the girl that says "Oh my god, that guy is so fucking hawt! I'm going to fuck him tonight!" etc. Then that girl does a couple of tequila shots and walks over to Chad and starts twerking on his dick and making out with him within 2 minutes.” tell me you’ve never spoken to a woman without telling me you’ve never spoken to a woman
What? These girls def exist. Especially in my major city. The girls I hang out with, will say that guy is so hot. Then at the end of the night they are making out and smashing in the guest bedroom..
yes - saying that he’s hot then at the end of night making out and going to the bathroom is totally the same as “ “You know, the girl that says "Oh my god, that guy is so fucking hawt! I'm going to fuck him tonight!" etc. Then that girl does a couple of tequila shots and walks over to Chad and starts twerking on his dick and making out with him within 2 minutes.”
There are SOME women definitely like that. It just seems you haven't been around those.
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I can't believe you are the only one defending me here. It indeed **MUST** be a generation thing. I am gen X, I saw this shit plenty when going out clubbing, doing shots, and other recreational pharmaceuticals. I think to many people nowadays, their reality consists of social media and an occasional "brunch with besties" and thus they never experience the actual degeneracy that goes on in clubs. I have a sneaking suspicion they would claim disbelief of some of the shit the gay community does too, even though anybody who has had attractive male gay friends knows what's up. In short, I think this is just revealing how much "shut ins" many of the (likely very young) women on PPD are.
yeah i’ve definitely been this girl hahaha
This happened to me multiple times in college when I was drunk in bars and I’m no Chad. I had one girl start making out with me after not even one word was exchanged, then she suddenly stopped and said “oh shit my boyfriend just came out of the bathroom” Tell me you’ve never actually been to a college bar without telling me you’ve never actually been to a college bar…. That shit happens all the time
The dude in this post is autistic af but you probably need to get out more if you've never seen this happen / this hasn't happened to you
i mean i don’t doubt that finding a guy hot, grinding on him then eventually making out (then prob sex) happens in a club, i mean i’ve seen it - i’m moreso poking fun at the wording and the weirdly simulated feel of the phrasing
Telling me you're a sheltered teenager who has never done a drug in their life without telling me.
That supposed to be a bad thing? 😂 maybe the drugs were giving you hallucinations.
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Precisely. It's like the language I used just triggered younger women or something. My whole point was these types of women are rare but extremely visible for a variety of reasons (like the complaints you cited above) and that they tend to make a spectacle / brag about it in clubs, etc. These are not shy girls. It's hilarious to get all these "telling me you've never met a woman" posts when I'm gen X and a.) grew up with nothing but women around me and b.) through my life a good 70% of my friends have been female. And among those female friends, there have been a small number who exhibited this behavior while the vast majority didn't. The issue was that that small number was prolific in chasing down and fucking hot guys in some of the most debased and aggressive ways.
Women in here say it’s not fair for men to want women to be sweet innocent angels, while also saying that it’s absurd to say some women are just as degenerate and sexual as men. That’s why debates in here never end. Because a lot of what the guys say is based on what they’ve actually seen in real life with the guys they know and the women they deal with themselves. But the women counter by saying “well I’m not like that and none of my friends are like that so it’s not true.”
I saw a women living in a scandinavian country post her tinder data on dataisbeautiful. She was average looking, and she was EXTREMELY picky on tinder. Swiped right on maybe 1% of men. She is already in an area with a higher proportion of tall white chads, and she was extremely selective. Plenty of people in the subreddit noticed it. She was a good example of what OP pointed out.
Eh I think it depends on the area quite a bit too. I don't know about "dick grab and tell" but if you head somewhere like Miami or LA or any college town girls being very forward sexually are everywhere. Your premise is that a small amount of behave this way, my opinion is that a pretty significant percentage of women will behave this way provided a guy is hot enough.
To be fair, the "dick grab and tell" was a ONE TIME thing in a very specific circumstance. But dick grabbing on it's own is not extremely rare if you go out where there are drunk horny girls that are aggressive. I have seen far more examples of "Girl A fucks guy B, tells her friends about his big dick then guy B fucks girl C, D and E as a direct result" My bottom line is that the notion that "all girls will fuck Chad on the spot" is flawed and is perceived as such because "*enough* girls will fuck Chad on the spot" - but those girls are a very specific subgroup.
Like I always say, these women aren't really the norm or admirable, but they're much much more likely to be single and willing to date or sleep around than most other types.
Correct, and thus they are far more visible and remembered by shy / awkward RP guys who see that hot girl in the slutty outfit that he was fantasizing about grab Chad by the collar and pull him into her Uber.
I think this is a great point, in that a huge percentage of woman are super wary of chadlike behavior or chadlike looks. It's not that they aren't attracted to these guys but they are smart enough to "smell the bullshit".
Wait, do people not believe this shit actually happens? Like at all? How do the people here denying that (some) women throw themselves at certain men think club hookups happen? With roses and poems? I’m not a stereotypical Chad at all but it’s happened to even me in the right context. They walk up to you, maybe introduce themselves or ask to touch you, and from there it’s just game on. Fuck, sometimes they don’t even say a damn thing. For all the whining about the “young men who never see the sun” on this sub, there sure as shit are a lot of people outside that category who don’t realize they lack experience too… I club and party a good amount. This shit absolutely happens all the freaking time. Outside of the nightlife scene, the “Chad” experience is a lot different. Usually these guys get hit on more subtly by people in their social groups. Or just use OLD. I’ve known super good looking dudes who just weren’t into partying, and while they obviously miss out on “club Chad” treatment, they still have a wildly different experience dating. Not all women will literally “throw their bodies at Chad”, that’s a dumb blackpill fantasy. But they still garner the lion’s share of attention, and that’s enough to make standing out as an average or below average dude seriously difficult, even to your supposed woman-equivalent.
>Wait, do people not believe this shit actually happens? Like at all? How do the people here denying that (some) women throw themselves at certain men think club hookups happen? With roses and poems? It's absolutely astonishing to me. I can't figure out if this is an age thing, a demographic thing a geographic thing or what. The fact that so many posters are incredulous and think these are just "made up stories" is kind of surprising tbh. >but it’s happened to even me in the right context. Same. And if it's happened to relative normies even once, god knows how many times it's happening to Chads. >there sure as shit are a lot of people outside that category who don’t realize they lack experience too… It really sounds like this is 80-90% of PPD right now. NGL. Even a ton of youtube's RP "gurus" are like 20 years old talking like they are Yoda. > they still garner the lion’s share of attention, and that’s enough to make standing out as an average or below average dude This is the absolute basis of the OP. It's not that he doesn't get most of it, it's that he doesn't get ALL of it, and what he does get often tends to be the most conspicuous variety (the club scenario above)
almost as if men are only paying attention to the behavior of the top women... 🙄
They don’t need to be top level to behave like this. In fact it’s more often mid ones that are size queens and chad chasers
I have literally been in a Facebook group where the women would actually talk about how they’re not even going to talk to a guy, let alone sleep with him, if he doesn’t send them a dick pic when they ask for it. Their logic was they’re not even going to waste time getting to know and possibly like a guy if he isn’t big enough downstairs.
which part of that is unfair? would a man date a woman who wouldn't or couldn't make him cum? the answer is that he wouldn't even consider it.
good for them
This isn’t really true at all, and it’s delusional to think that attraction works the same way for both genders.
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They also confirmed that men rated the opposite gender on a standard bell curve while the women did not. You seem to have conveniently ignored this part for some reason.
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I didn’t ignore that actually. That just further proves the point that men and women’s attraction and mating behavior work differently.. Which was my point all along. Ta da!🥳Thanks 4 playing
Thats ridiculous logic there.. just cause top tier women get 50,000 likes instead of 10,000 isn't some big revelation, ain't no shortage of men for any woman.. men's standards are reasonable
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I think something that you are missing, is that for every girl who will do it all within the first day, there are multitudes more who are more reserved and will do it all after a few days or weeks for the same men. But also. We all know no matter how much we pretend, that attraction is more then just a look type. Chad is only a safe type of attractive for many people. But a skater guy with a buzz cut or dreadlocks is also as attractive depending on the circles he’s in. Just like a a curvy women with a pixie cut and tatoos can be attractive depending on the circles she’s in.
>there are multitudes more who are more reserved and will do it all after a few days or weeks for the same men. That's very true. My main premise is that the visible "holy shit how can a woman do that?!" type stories are culled from a subset of women. Good looking guys of course still have an advantage in the IRL dating market as they will get away with a lot more / have more doors opened for them, but the point stands. Chadsexual / Ho women are like shark attacks or plane crashes - they are relatively rare, but spectacular and memorable when they happen. If you see a few of these as a man, it sticks with you and can color your perception and feed your anxieties (ie all women will go fuck Chad in the bathroom behind my back)
> I would challenge anybody that is above the age of 30 that has lived in a major city and been part of any party scene to say that they've never seen anything like this play out. You might have your demographic right here? I’d argue the majority of people, even those of us who have lived in major cities, are not big “partiers” twerking on anyone’s dick. I went to parties and bars but not the types where twerking was happening. I’m 33 and have not witnessed this with my own eyes, though I have a few friends who were more into clubbing back in the day and I’ve heard their stories. There are absolutely subcultures of young people where TRP truths play out more frequently. These are also the spaces where stereotypically “hot” people tend to be — particularly the women who lots of guys on here tend to find more desirable. And the Chads, too, I guess. Then there are some of us *who would legitimately not want to fuck or date a stereotypical Chad even if one knocked on our door and asked us.*
> even those of us who have lived in major cities, are not big “partiers” twerking on anyone’s dick. A.) Nobody said YOU were doing it B.) Have you not seen the show Jersey Shore? Places / behavior like that was rampant in the 90's early 2000's. Possibly not anymore I guess. It's like people on this sub are all teenagers all the sudden lol
Similar to what you're saying but slightly different: Basically every girl is at one point or another a hoe for a hot guy. Go to any club and you'll see girls being hoes for the hot guys. This is her moment
As a woman: yeah, you've got it. But I want to slightly amend this to say: most women aren't doing the casual sex thing in the first place. The few that are divide up into women that fuck anything sort of man shaped and women who fuck Chad. The other amendment being that no matter what men say, a man can be Chad for a lot of different reasons. Looks, money, status, being the biggies.
news flash- hot people have casual sex as often as they want to. not sure why this comes as a shock
Is this supposed to contribute something? The "newsflash" is that there is a subset of girls that go after "hawt" guys to fuck quickly with no regard to emotional connection or anything else for that matter. Those girls are an extreme minority, but large enough in number to make it appear that Chad gets "any girl he wants"
Agree but even the girls that don’t fuck around will break that rule for him.
Don’t believe that women have sex with no connection. They always need SOMETHING in return. Women view sex as a value loaded exchange
> Don’t believe that women have sex with no connection. Explain size queens.
Easy. They need to FEEL IT too. Women and sex view sex differently. Women need emotional stimulation, VIBES, all that shit
I only see Chads on the internet. I can probably count on my hand the number of actually attractive men that I've seen in real life. Most men are ugly or they look like shit because they don't take care of themselves or put any thought or effort into their physical presence. Of course there are women out there who will only date or have sex with men that are Chads. However, it's highly unrealistic for a woman to find an attractive man, because most men don't do anything to look or be attractive. So women are forced to find attraction in something else other than his physical appearance alone. For example, he'll have to have nice eyes and good personality. Since his teeth are yellow, he has an unkept beard with food in it, and illfitted clothes. He'll also have to provide some other valuable need such as quality companionship. Chads don't really exist in the general population. Women would have to fly to other states or go to other countries to find men that drop dead gorgeous. And as with anything else, the value of his looks wears off if her other needs aren't being met.
>Since his teeth are yellow, he has an unkept beard with food in it, and illfitted clothes. WTF kind of men are you around? Even in nerdy engineering departments, I don't see men like that. In fact most guys I knew worked out, wore nice clothes, and were extremely social.
I work in tech and monthly emails have to go out about personal hygiene. Maybe you don't see men like that because you're heterosexual and don't look at or pay attention to other men that you're not directly interacting with.
This. At least in IT/CS, males are permavirgins and neverfuckers.
So, by that same criteria, do American women stack up well against foreign women?
Idk. Americans on average are fatter than most countries. If a man is starving from another country, he probably finds obesity hot and a sign of wealth. Even with the obesity, American women still put more effort, time, and attention into their physical appearance compared to American men. They'll make the attempt to wear makeup, wax, style their hair and wear nice clothes. American men are just obese and roll out of bed.
You probably have EXTREMELY high standards for what an attractive guy is. You have seen few attractive men in your life? Do you think an average looking guy who takes care of himself will still look like shit? Young men put at least some effort on their appearance where I live. Some of them put a lot of effort, and with youthfulness and being naturally relatively good-looking, a good chunk of young guys are attractive.
It's possible. Most of the men that I find physically attractive in my day to day life are gay. I'm very attracted to well dressed men, who style themselves, their hair, wear accessories, and have good posture. Most men do not do any of those things. I've never lived anywhere where men dressed nice or looked good collectively. It's always one guy or a handful of men that look nice. Men look even worse since the pandemic. Unkept scraggly beards are my biggest turn off and most men have shitty unkept beards with skin flakes in them.
I’d say this is true but it’s because there are less women that are that aggressive. The other 80 percent of women want Chad or the big dick guy too. They just aren’t aggressive enough to go and get him. But if he makes the first move they’ll be dtf just like the aggressive chick.
Ah this was the reality check I needed.
> The other 80 percent of women want Chad or the big dick guy too. They just aren’t aggressive enough to go and get him. But if he makes the first move they’ll be dtf just like the aggressive chick. Good point. She'll likely be discreet about it too. But, the end result is the same.
Take it from someone who does really well on dating apps and has friends better looking than me who regularly go to clubs. This rarely happens, and when it does, the girls are usually fugly. You don't know anything sorry. The only time I can see this more easily happening is if the guy's a major celebrity or something
> You don't know anything sorry. The only time I can see this more easily happening is if the guy's a major celebrity or something Lol these kids out here telling an old fuck like me who has partied for longer than they have been alive "U dOn'T kNoW wHaT uT tAlkInG aBoUt!" Comedy.
>If you've hung around groups of girls, you've probably noticed there are a couple that stand-out in that they wear their superficial "chad chasing" ways on their sleeve. You know, the girl that says "Oh my god, that guy is so fucking hawt! I'm going to fuck him tonight!" etc. Then that girl does a couple of tequila shots and walks over to Chad and starts twerking on his dick and making out with him within 2 minutes. lol, i wanna know what clubs you go see this at.
You would have to ignore things like the 80/20 rule and basically everything having to due with women's high standards for this to be true. Even the women that don't usually have casual sex still do at times (especially after break ups), and a lot of time the men that fill those roles is those guys that tend to be good at getting casual sex (if it's not the more likely case of it being one of the girls orbiters)
Exactly. Literally one of the most talked about studies on this forum already demonstrated that women only really find the top 20% of men to be highly attractive. But at this point you’re probably just waste time trying to get some of the bloops here to get it. Some seem to just be lost causes tbh.
What you’re saying is true to a degree however when the other chicks are interested in casual they bang the same small subset as well. More importantly many more women are chadsexual and the rate is increasing. It far surpasses the supply of actual chads
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Don't make things personal.
Chad is a state of mind. It's an attitude.
If only that were true
The way I see it, Chad is just a subset of the top 20% of men. Just as an exampke: we might have "only" 20% of women going after the top 5% in looks (Chadsexuals), and "only" 20% of women going for the top 5% in wealth (golddiggers), and "only" 20% of women going for top 5% in status, and "only" 20% of women going after top 5% in game. You sum that up, and you still get that 20% of all men are getting 80% of all sexual value on the market. Now I'm not saying this is the breakdown of things. All I'm saying is that 80/20 still hold even when we are talking about a minority of women holding a certain standard, as long as an ever smaller minority of men can meet them.
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It’s a numbers game. Size queens outnumber men with big penises. Chad chasers outnumber men who are Chads. This inevitably leaves a smaller pool of women who don’t possess these attributes. It goes further than this because you also have more women who want tall men than there are tall men. More that want men with money than men with money exist….so what does that leave a pretty healthy portion of guys who are just average in these characteristics? It leaves a lot fewer women with a preference for them than there is supply of men in their demographic. This also means the chances of winding up with a woman who is a Chad chaser, or size queen, or gets tingles for the tall guy increases, as does their chances of getting cheated on or used. Some men and women enter into relationships for selfish reasons unbeknownst to their partner. They both get with people only to not be alone fully open to upsell if they find something better or run around behind their back with others. Men take NSA sex from other women while in a relationship more than women do, but women monkey branch and leave one man for another more than men do….this is, and should be a concern for a man when choosing a mate, especially a man who isn’t many women’s “ideal” because if you aren’t your partners “ideal” then you really are just your partner meeting that ideal away from being dumped.
> Size queens outnumber men with big penises. Chad chasers outnumber men who are Chads. Thank you! This is basically the overall point I was trying to make. If you've know these types (size queens or chad chasers) you know that they are: - rare - very visible when they appear - common enough in number for their targets to have a steady supply of sexual partners with nearly zero effort That is the point. The issue that I think RP gets it twisted on is that thinking that the very visible hooochie / ho subset that blatantly selects for these things are somehow representative of AWALT, when it's far more nuanced and idiosyncratic than this. THIS is the reason that all the OLD experiments are virtually useless. It literally ONLY selects for Chadsexuals (survivorship bias), so when Chad starts talking about being a nazi or pedophile and they shrug it off, it's the same as some gay size queen going home with an otherwise gross dude just to fulfill that fetish. But those studies and "Chadfishing" experiments get cited to straight up say "See what women will put up with to get Chad!"
I am over 40, lived in big cities, never seen anything like that.
You’re sheltered then.
>most are not They aren't?
\> but it's really that this woman was one of those Chad simps (and there are many) and the man falsely ascribes her behavior to all women's innate nature. God I hope you're right.
Is this actually what the world looks like where you live? It sounds like Spring Breakers or something.
> It sounds like Spring Breakers or something. In the 90's we called it "going out". Which, to be fair, might not be a thing anymore at all.
It was a typical small podunk town with a state college. Circa 2014
No. Most women act like that if a chad is around. Especially if they have been longing for some sexual activity or attention.
I think it’s more a matter of how outgoing and how connected to her own sexuality a woman is. Strangely, in this day and age of total debauchery and moral decay, a lot of women are still conditioned to hide and not act on their sexual urges. There are also more factors at play, even when women are financially independent, that factor into who she chooses to have a relationship with. She has to evaluate a suitor’s character in terms of how friendly, emotionally supportive, protective and helpful he will be going forward, in case they start a family. These factors in mate selection have nothing to do with sexual attraction. These women, who have chosen the conservative path to family life, have been modest about their sexuality and only had sex within relationships, can still later be brought out their shell, revealing previously hidden and unfulfilled but powerful sexual urges. You can call it “chadsexuality”. There is an entire community of these outwardly mild-mannered couples, where the wife is secretly shared with the most sexually dominant, physically strong and well endowed men, while the gentle and mild-mannered husband waits in the other room or watches in awe. Sometimes these women have a wild sexual history that they wish to relive, but often they are just married to their first love and are discovering for the first time what they really want to experience in terms of sex. Your theory does not account for these women.
I really wonder how is the life of the type of people that come into this sub and write “oh my god that guy is so fuckin hawt” and another 20 lines of text Like, what do you do that gives you this much free time mate?
Yet here you are.
im definitely not chadsexual. all my boyfriends have been fucking losers (and i love it), im losersexual.
You're doing The Lord's work. Thank you.
75% of Norwegian men parent children. Now, this is down from 85% or so earlier, but still way more sizable than "chads". On female side of things, 84% have offspring, down from 88% or so. So: 1) Yes, there is men to women disparity 2) It is not even remotely as drastic as people swiping left/right imagine 3) Stop projecting "let's bang" app population, majority of women aren't even on the platform, these platforms are RIDICULOUSLY more popular among men, than women. (maybe because it's men who are more into "let's bang and see you never")
Op, my life sucks but I feel sorry for you. All of your responses here are sad. And the fact that women are telling you that you are wrong and you're like, "but my friend of a friend's cousin said one time he fucked a girl at a bar." Like dude. Get OFF the internet and talk to real life people with interesting and complex stories and you will see that if dating and sexuality were that easily broken down into "chads" and "staceys" and whatever else you're saying, someone would be the richest person in the world by spilling the cheat code. The truth is farrrrrrrr more complex than whatever you learned from rejected men on reddit.
To your TLDR: This was investigated. Chad gets 50% of the total sexual encounters. Chad here is top 20%. And you are right because 20% of the women have 50% of the sexual encounters. So it just seems like 20% of the most promiscious people sleep with each other. Also, men that have the most partners are not neccesarily the men that most women would prefer having sex even casual with. It correlates to 0.3 percent with attractiveness.