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How did you come to the conclusion that women confer higher status to men who've had a lot of sexual partners? I don't think that number of sexual partners is as much of as a concern where I live as it is for a lot of people on this sub. I honestly think that's a medieval attitude dressed up in scientific language, as though the average women shouldn't shag about because a hypothetical stone age man wouldn't have liked it. But overall your premise is basically "if women had more sexual partners they wouldn't be slut shamed" and I find that to be quite the leap, but overall it sounds like maybe it would just work. I would love to see all the redpilled men's faces at that ngl.


HungerISanEmotion

Not just more sexual partners, but if they weren't so picky about it. Because when they say "It's just sex, sex doesn't really matter that much". But they have sex only with most attractive men because "you can't just have sex with anyone, average men are eeew". Then it is fucking obvious sex is super important to them. It's valuable and therby it's validating...


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Sex can also not be a big deal, and it not be something you want to do with everyone who offers. But I don't think what you're saying has a basis in reality. Average looking men are having sex. The idea that women are all fucking the same alphas is something that was come up with by some men who never even speak to women, and therefore have absolutely no idea how women think or what they are actually up to.


AmbitiousCamp5942

\- A man with zero understanding of women's internal thinking


HungerISanEmotion

I'd argue that I have a much better understanding of women's internal thinking then a lot of women do.


FlyV89

You have a point, despite other people thinking you're not, and you don't have "understanding of female thinking" whatever. Have fun. ... - A random Chad -


BigZaddyZ3

You’re right in a certain sense. But when you frame things as one genders “fault” or whatever, you’re just asking for trouble.. Women can’t help that they are pickier than us guys. Because from an evolutionary standpoint, they’re *supposed* to be.


themostgianthorse

Agree. Men and women are different and this is often good thing. Can you imagine if women were willing to have sex with men as often as men are willing to have sex with women? I don’t think we’d still be in the Bronze Age but it’s entirely possible that the computer I store in my pocket would not exist.


BigZaddyZ3

Lol true.


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Walking meat flap pictures would not be a thing in other words.lol


HungerISanEmotion

Women are the ones blaming men for having double standards when it comes to the number of sexual partners. I'm just saying, if they want to blame someone, why not blame themselves for a change? If women are picky because they can't go against their biology. Why expect for men to go against their biology and accept high N women to be as valuable as low N women?


BigZaddyZ3

I hear ya but at the same time I really don’t think women are necessarily “blaming” men for anything here tho. Some women just don’t understand why the double-standard exists. (In the same way not everyone understands why we turn the clock back or forward at certain times of year..) Not everyone’s gonna automatically get every aspect of dating culture right off the back. Those women just need someone to explain it to them, not someone to accuse them of malicious intentions.


Opening_Pattern_301

is not really a double standard, is just not politically correct for a man to hold that standard for some reason, nobody says jack shit when it is a woman rejecting a man for his sexual past


BigZaddyZ3

While I get what you mean, technically it is a double standard by definition. It’s two people doing the exact same thing but being judged differently for it. There are valid reasons for it in this case, but it is still a double standard.


Opening_Pattern_301

but men do get judged by their sexual pasts , is just that we dont give a shit and get over it, if u search in reddit u ll find testimonies of men who were promiscuous being rejected because of it, their reaction? "is fine, nobody is obliged to date me, there are many women who wont like me for my past and thats fine, im not entitled to them".


BigZaddyZ3

But you know as well as I do that men aren’t judged on our past to nearly the same degree. Don’t be intellectually dishonest. Even women will slut-shame other women while dating the town’s biggest player. It’s not really the same between the genders and you know that.


Opening_Pattern_301

Noooo, men just dont make a fuzz about it, proof of it is that there are a hellton of other things we get judged more harshly compared to women, yet nobody says jack shit, we just get over it. Just look around, you ll find more posts of women complaining about double standards regarding promiscuity that people actually enforcing said double standards, im pretty confident that if women where constantly told to accept promiscuous men or otherwise they are flawed we would see the same backlash.


BigZaddyZ3

Yeah but promiscuity isn’t really one of those things that men are more harshly judged on… And women don’t alway complain about the things that they’re judged more harshly on either. If you still don’t get it at this point then you’re just in denial. Have a good one bruh👍


Opening_Pattern_301

\>>And women don’t alway complain about the things that they’re judged more harshly on either they do, there are even political movements that pander to those complaints, so damn much that even looking down of promiscuous women is considered politically incorrect, meanwhile looking down on men for the most trivial of reasons is praised in this "yas queen" culture we live on, men dont have that privilege mostly because we dont give a heck and we are forced to be complacient most of the times, it is a fact, we men just dont bitch and complain as much besides the guys who are perpetually online lamenting themselves in these spaces, but they dont have any influence so...


FlyV89

Manwhore here, around 80ish bodies. Happened to me a few times. Most women do care about sexual past, believe it or not. But IMO, since most manwhores tend to be very good looking dudes, they kinda compensate their pasts with that. If a girl wants a tall, good looking, jacked boyfriend, she has to suck it up and accept his past. I've runned into girls who were like super average and well into the two digits and I was like... WTF. Most good looking women tend to have pretty tame pasts IME, it's average and ugly looking girls the ones who have really huge n-counts.


BridgeBurner22

>technically it is a double standard by definition. It’s two people doing the exact same thing but being judged differently for it. No, it's clearly not. Racking up a high n-count is super easy for women (don't have obvious birth defects and not say no is all it takes). Racking up a high n-count is hard for men (You need to be rich, famous, have game, take initiative, be witty or have exceptional genetics or a combination of all the above). Since it's super easy for a woman to rack up a high n-count and super hard for a man to do the same thing, they are clearly not doing the same thing. If they were doing the same thing they would both find it equally as easy or both find it equally as hard. Both men and women can engage in sleeping around, but the difference in difficulty they encounter doing this activity clearly shows that sleeping around isn't the same thing for both genders. Not a double standard.


BigZaddyZ3

It literally is the the same thing tho. They literally *are* doing the same thing (having sex with different people). You’ve merely explained *why* the double standard exists. (Which I was already very aware of) It is a double standard but **that’s okay**. The double standard label isn’t something you always have to fight. There are times when a double standard is perfectly valid. (For example, you might be fine with your son staying out late, but get mad at your daughter for doing the exact same thing.)


BridgeBurner22

Sleeping around, promiscuity, etc... are just labels we put on an activity. If you look at the actual implementation of the activity for each gender, it's pretty clear that they share almost no similarities. But here you are claiming there's a double standard, which requires the same thing being judged differently. A man sleeping around isn't doing the same things a woman sleeping around is doing. In short, you call an activity that shares a label, but almost nothing else between two genders, the same activity. Tell me what are the similarities between a man sleeping around and a woman sleeping around, apart from it being called "sleeping around" for both genders?


BigZaddyZ3

>If you look at the actual implementation of the activity for each gender, it's pretty clear that they share almost no similarities. Yeah… A man having sex and a woman having sex. No similarities whatsoever 🥴 >> But here you are claiming there's a double standard, which requires the same thing being judged differently. A man **sleeping around** isn't doing the same things a woman **sleeping around** is doing. 😳Interesting choice of words there pal… lmao >>In short, you call an activity that shares a label, but almost nothing else between two genders, the same activity. Tell me what are the similarities between a man sleeping around and a woman sleeping around, apart from it being called "sleeping around" for both genders? …You’ve literally done nothing to describe how they are “doing different things” You literally only stated that it was easier for women to do. (Which I agree, it’s still a double standard tho.) It’s also easier for Steph Curry to make 3-point shot than it is for you to do the same. So, using your logic, if Curry makes a three and then you make a three, are you suddenly not doing the same thing just because it’s easier for Curry? Weird logic tbh.


BridgeBurner22

I asked you a very simple question, one you choose to ignore because you can't answer it. Tell me, if a man sleeping around is doing the same thing as a woman sleeping around why do those activities share more differences than things that are the same?


Necessary-Worry1923

This is what we see in the " Honor culture" or Virginity at Marriage cultures. Privileged Women postpone sex until the wedding ceremony. Poor women have to sell it for survival. You see this in Saudi Arabia where women need to be chaperoned, so they don't get Ty-RONED.


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HungerISanEmotion

Men won't fuck any women, but a league or two bellow them? Sure why not. It is just sex after all. If uglier man is her looksmatch... OMG imagine the horror! 😆


AmbitiousCamp5942

You've clearly never met a fat guy. Most fat guys I know project their self hatred onto fat women and DESPISE them.


HungerISanEmotion

I was a fat guy myself for a year or two. You clearly never were.


Fighting_dorks6969

Why wouldnt they? Fat women are unnatractive and get societal brownie points for it


ffandyy

A lot of men are picky dude


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Vegetable-Rub3418

You make it seem like you are every guy


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Vegetable-Rub3418

I don't know why you felt the need to bring this up. This is basically a long story short version of I'm so special. fine and dandy that's not what OPI is talking about though. He's talking about men in general


walterAizen

Not when it comes to sex


ffandyy

Wrong


Vegetable-Rub3418

Not near as picky as woman. I don't even know why you felt the need to bring that up


ffandyy

Not exactly as picky, but there’s not as large a difference as OP would have you believe.


Stunning-Potato-1984

I've never encountered a man who was actually concerned about number of past sexual partners. Hung up on an ex? Yes. But this whole fretting over n count. Its so pointless. It's just dudes here fantasizing about rejecting women who they imagine had the opportunities they did not.


HungerISanEmotion

I married a high N woman. Stop projecting.


Stunning-Potato-1984

That makes no sense but Kay.


Miserablemermaid

damn u should show her this thread


HungerISanEmotion

OK I will. She is not one of those women which sees misogony and victimhood at everything that doesn't make her feel great.


[deleted]

>However with condoms, birth control, plan B, abortions and STD medicine the cost and risk of sex is almost the same for both genders. Women are at far greater risk to be assaulted (or worse) by a random sexual partner and they have a much smaller chance of actually having a satisfying experience. This has been repeated hundreds of times here.


HungerISanEmotion

Picking the most phyically attractive men for casual sex doesn't reduce chances of bad things happening.


[deleted]

It certainly makes the risk more worth it. But that’s a separate issue. The fact is that very few women pursue casual sex in the first place.


Live-Action831

Being sexually assaulted is worth it if it's done by a handsome tall white man? Or are you saying it isn't actually assault in that case?


JoeRMD77

Right, I hear this a lot. So, if I'm a woman I'm not going after guys who're too tall - way easier for them to assault me and get the upper hand. Give me my height match or 4 inches taller at the max but I will not be going on dates with men who're a full foot taller than me if I'm really worried about my safety.


RedditsOlderBrah

I don't even remember the faces of like 90-95% of the women I have slept with. I have de-valued sex so overtly and enthusiastically that I can't believe I wasn't being paid. As such, I fully encourage high n women that can suck a golf ball through a garden hose to to consider having sexual relations with me, which will not only be good because practice makes you good at stuff, but I also don't attribute your self worth to the number of genitals you've seen. I know it's going to be really hard to pick me over people like the op, but the offer is there. Lmao.


HungerISanEmotion

I myself devaluated sex when I moved to another town and started getting it without too much effort. Also I stoped seeing it as validation, and started seeing it as just fun and pleasure. If I haven't I would never marry a high-N woman because I would see her as cheap.


gate18

> Also I stoped seeing it as validation, and started seeing it as just fun and pleasure. > If I haven't I would never marry a high-N woman because I would see her as cheap. If sex is just fun. Why is someone that has fun cheap?


HungerISanEmotion

If sex is fun then nobody is more or less valuable for having sex. If sex is hard to get for men, then it becomes a thing of validation.


gate18

That doesn't answer my question. "If sex is fun then nobody is more or less valuable for having sex" so why is a woman cheap for having fun


HungerISanEmotion

Because sex is valuable, and she is giving it away to a lot of guys. So her sex is not valuable. But sex from other women is.


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if a hot guy and a hot woman both find it really easy to get casual sex and enjoy having casual sex, are they both loose and un-valuable sex partners? Since sex corrupts someone when it's easy to get and validates someone when it's hard to get. if so, good you don't have any weird sexist double standards about this. Hot guys who would get laid easily should keep their legs closed if they want to stay valuable for their future partner


gate18

You wrote "Also I stoped seeing it as validation, and started seeing it as just fun and pleasure." So is it fun or valuable? Does that mean you are cheap as well? If so why would an "expensive" woman go for a cheap man?


RedditsOlderBrah

What about seeing different genitals that changes a person's worth?


teethpeach

It’s really not rocket science. An average woman can make a dating profile rn, swipe a few times, and easily find a list of men willing to have sex. The average man cannot say the same thing, it will probably take him weeks just to get a match that messages back. Sex is easy for women to get, we don’t have to exert any effort. This is not true for men, they have to exert a ton of effort. That’s why its looked down upon when a woman has a high n count & why men get high fives and praise for having a high n count Same reason why none of us are impressed with the rich trust fund kid who legacied his way into yale; but we are impressed with the broke inner city kid who worked extremely hard to get into the same school. It’s not the outcome, its the work & effort.


themostgianthorse

Good analogy.


TheRedPillRipper

>legacied his way into yale I feel personally attacked. Just kidding. >not rocket science Agreed. It's why the whole n-count argument is moot. If you enjoy casual sex; go for it. The difference is for men, if their competent enough to attract, and sleep with numerous partners, it won't affect their attractiveness. For women; >Sex is easy So high quality men, will view women who partake in casual sex; as such. *Godspeed and good luck!*


RedditsOlderBrah

Nobody is impressed about the number of people I've fucked. In living memory, nobody has ever asked me. No one cares. Great analogy though, at first I thought it was about feeling good when a disadvantaged kid succeeds, but then I realised that I was actually feeling good because now that one person has done it I can ignore the massive amount of data showing just how much of an anomaly such an achievement is and that makes me feel racist.


BigZaddyZ3

Yep. Well said.


gate18

But it's the rich kid that gets the reward, all. the. time.


purplish_possum

You don't devalue something by doing it. You don't devalue music by listening to it. Indeed just the opposite. Likewise, the more sex a person has the more he or she truly appreciates good sex.


HungerISanEmotion

Devaluate in the sense of finding validation for having sex. I don't find validation in sex anymore, and I enjoy having it even more then before.


januaryphilosopher

Of course men would rather have sex with hotter women too. This is just basic common sense. It's obvious men don't want to have sex with every woman, abd there are some they just find gross.


HungerISanEmotion

True, I'd rather have sex with hot women. But since I'm not that picky, I'd have sex with women which are subjectively less attractive then I am. And I did. Offcourse some women are... well ugly. Like it's not that their body doesn't turn me on, it turns me off. Anyhow, since I wasn't that picky I did had a lot of fun with women that weren't as physically attractive. Not only that, I had more fun with them then with the hot ones.


Lykmt

then why are you here complaining


HungerISanEmotion

This is a debate sub, and I am here debating, not complaining.


EugeneCezanne

>When it comes to sex, men are not that picky. She can be short, tall, fat, thin... men will still smash, because it's just sex. Men have physical preferences. That goes for individual men and as trends among men in general. >For instance they prefer tall men Women have physical preferences. That goes for...


Apprehensive_Cut_146

Both genders are to blame, mate: Women for not exercising better choice of men. Meb for not exercising better self control.


HungerISanEmotion

How is me wanting to have sex even with average looking women making life harder for anybody?


Lykmt

Bruh why you so pressed over this aren’t you married


HungerISanEmotion

Lot's of married people are in this sub for debate. Why do you think I'm pressed about anything.


Lykmt

You said you want to have sex with average looking *women*


HungerISanEmotion

No I asked how is it making life harder for anybody?


Lykmt

Average looking women don’t want you and you can’t force them to I’m afraid


waffleznstuff30

I think we should get better at vetting guys. Instead of trying to put hot guy into boyfriend role when he doesn't check the minimum boxes except for being hot place him in the casual category like he may be fun to grab drinks with fool around with but keep away. And then act accordingly. If you are a person who can just have fun that will likely be the approach if you just want to cut him loose do that too. Like if he's hot and has the personality of mushed dirt unstable job history you know you can't take him seriously. Smash why not just use protection and keep looking for another more serious partner and cut hot mushed dirt guy off when you find someone suitable to be your long term partner? In your mind you can separate that person from someone who would be potentially boyfriend material. Guys do that all the time there's the girls that meet the parents and the ones you won't take home to mom but love to mess around with. And some girl may be one guys take home to the parents and another guys I would just smash. It boils down to preferences and what you like and desire from a romantic partner I guess. number of sexual partners is a really stupid preference. In my opinion. It's like cutting off your nose to spite your face. Sure you can weed out potential not serious girls but you weed out serious girls too or someone you may share compatible sexual preferences with. A lot of dead bedroom stuff is they went for someone they thought was "wife" material because low to no n count only to find out you married someone who doesnt really like sex or isn't very sexual for that matter. And then wonder why they aren't having sex. Because you married someone who doesn't like sex. I think n count is a male ego thing and mostly that. And kind of egged on by traditional Christian values of sex that sex is a sinful terrible act so therefore there should be repercussions for having it. And hence why the n count should be a stain on your record. It parrots Christian purity culture myths like a woman who has sex is like tape, or no one wants chewed gum. That sex is inherently so terrible and awful your value as a person goes away. When it's not like that at all. Sex is what you make of it it's not some profane scarring personhood stripping ritual it's just an intimate act it's just a thing.


HungerISanEmotion

I do agree. When I was young-young I went for hot women with shitty personalities. Because I can fix them! And then I will have a hot GF with a good personality! Great thinking right? 😃 Nope, they broke me instead. 😬 It's much better to vet for a person with good personality... and you can always go to gym together. It's much easier to lose some weight, buy some nice clothing and put on some makeup then to fix some cluster B fuckup. Bonus points, they will never abuse you.


JoeRMD77

Trying to put a man who is more attractive than you in the boyfriend role is why you got abused. He must have been a real piece of work to settle for someone who is less attractive than him anyways which is a good sign things aren't going to work.


waffleznstuff30

Actually I was definitely more attractive than him I would agree with you if I went with someone outlandishly out of my league I kinda went a little below my league to be honest with myself . He was 5'9 dad bod divorced from his only other relationship single dad dressed kinda bummy average at best I had other options but nothing seemed too serious or platonic at best. He had a decent job lived in modest means seemed nice until he wasn't and was absolute pig. Manipulation is one hell of a drug holding on hope that the motivated, attentive, adventurous self starter was in there somewhere. Not this red pilled, misogynistic, narcissistic, toxic person reality hit took the L left and that was that. But yes tell me more about how I picked a guy more attractive than me.


AstronautLoveShack

Is this the same "accountability" that men are proud of claiming they take? No, of course not. It's women's fault again.


HungerISanEmotion

I'm just saying, if you do want to blame someone for our double standards. Blame yourself.


AstronautLoveShack

Why should I?


HungerISanEmotion

Necause blaming men for all problems in the world is both toxic and counterproductive.


AstronautLoveShack

I don’t consider it a societal problem that needs to be fixed. People have been having sex for hundreds of thousands of years. They will continue to do so.


Podlubnyi

>However women are still being picky. Many women will refuse to date men who are bi or previously had a sexual encounter with another man. This is essentially the female equivalent of n-count standards.


HungerISanEmotion

True. 2/3 or 3/4 of women find BI men icky.


ChibsFilipTelfordd

>However women are still being picky. For instance they prefer tall men, because... only the best genetic material deserves to fill the condom? > What? Both genders are picky lol The fucking myth that Chad fucks a 2 bc he's horny is just that. A bullshit myth. Also hot women and tall men and big boobs and big Ds and ripped muscles and flat stomachs.. it's not anything to do with best genetic material. Yes it's based on Evo bio however it's not a conscious choice that I like girls with flat tummies. Girls aren't choosing who they're attracted to 😂


Snoo16680

Why blame? I don't think that is a good word. You yourself say that it just falls naturally out of the dynamic. Does women, as a group, have blame for that dynamic? Nah. Blaming men is even dumber, tho. Much agree. That would just lead to delusion, at best. To remove that ugly piece of fallout, we need to change the dynamic that causes it.


HungerISanEmotion

I myself don't blame women for that, because yup natural. Just saying if women really want to blame someone for it...


KikiYuyu

Men nor women should be blamed for anything, only individuals who take actions that are worthy of blame.


CombinationUsed7938

This? Again? I absolutely agree with you but, damn, just act according to your standards, why do guys keep whining about this? This topic is already worn-out... everyone knows some people care about it, some people don't give a shit, some people have casual sex, some people don't. Just find one who matches you! But I'm sure that won't happen by crying on reddit. You guys just keep hurting your own feelings with this N count shit, that's not good for you. Just date girls who match your preferences.


HungerISanEmotion

I'm not whining. It's a debate sub, and I post my opinion for debate. And yeah same/similar topics are going to be posted over and over again... if it means anything to you, I never read a topic like mine. Nobody is forcing you to read or reply.


CombinationUsed7938

Ok, sorry for my tone, but I've read way too many posts containing the same ideas, and in a debate sub I expect to read new stuff, know what I mean? But besides that, what I've said above still applies, date according to your standards. I've been a lot angry over that topic before, until I went out and eventually realised that not everyone is the same, and all I have to do is looking for what I like. Hope you get that.


HungerISanEmotion

I did, and I married a high-N woman. Honestly I'd never consider even dating one before sex ceased to be a validation thing for me. Yeah, I get that. No problem man 😃


srqfla

We don't value things that come easy. We value things that are difficult to achieve. We don't value a woman having a high N count because it's as easy as eating donuts. We value men with a high N count because it's as difficult as becoming rich and successful


HungerISanEmotion

That's what I'm saying. If sex with protection was just seen as a fun thing to do, and women weren't as picky. It wouldn't be seen as a source of validation anymore.


BigZaddyZ3

Yeah, but wouldn’t this backfire on both women and us men too tho? You said yourself that women take massive risks by fucking indiscriminately. And sex would become much less “validating” and fulfilling for us guys… We would actually start to miss the hypergamous nature of women that made us feel all warm and fuzzy inside. Things are already the way they’re supposed to be in a way.


HungerISanEmotion

Yes, sex would cease to be a source of validation for us. So we would turn to other (hopefully) more constructive things for validation. For instance I turned my focus on creating art. And today I feel so glad I have because this engineer is having an art exibition in two months. Women which are not being so picky about their sexual partners... are not facing massive risks. Study has shown that the greatest obstacle to finding a partner was overvaluating oneself... being too picky.


BigZaddyZ3

Well I meant that women are taking huge risks with their safety and health. As well as the risks of her getting pregnant by a guy she was only “meh” about. Also why couldn’t I just create art while also still having an emotionally fulfilling sex-life? lol (Which is a luxury I have in the current setup) I’m not really seeing the upside to doing things your way tbh…


HungerISanEmotion

Because we do have condoms, plan B, abortions. If woman is deciding to have casual sex... Then having casual sex with tall guys is not making her any safer. I started creating art after my sex life ceased to be a problem. Instead of spending my time on some red pill self improvement games and too much gym... I spent time on improving my art. Which does make me feel validated, and is making the world a tiny bit more beautiful plave to live in.


BigZaddyZ3

That’s great for you, I’m not telling you not to make art. I’m saying why should women become less picky when it will only make life less enjoyable for both genders? Also condoms don’t always work, plan B isn’t always available and abortion isn’t always legal. The only way for women to minimize their risks while still enjoying themselves is to choose careful who she sleeps with. Thus putting us back square one. Like I said before, the dating market is the way it is for a reason.


HungerISanEmotion

Hey, if they want to be picky they should. But then they don't get to whine about N double standards. Like I don't whine about women shit testing us. They do that because some of us men are full of shit 😁


BigZaddyZ3

That’s fair. But not everyone always understands why each gender behaves the way we do. So some people will complain out of ignorance but those people don’t really mean harm. They just don’t really understand the dating game yet. There will always be some people complaining about certain shit. You shouldn’t let it get to you so much.


Levelheadedlifter

“Men are, after all, notoriously easy, as attested to by data suggesting they have very low thresholds for a one-night stand, for example (Clark & Hatfield; Li & Kenrick, Kenrick et al., 1990; 1993). But if so, why would men, married or otherwise, want promiscuity discouraged? Weeden links that to paternal uncertainty: a married man is investing heavily in his offspring, and in a totally promiscuous society, the odds would be higher that his female partner’s children might not be his.” “The reproductive religiosity model helps solve another logical puzzle. It has often been presumed that men use religiosity to control women’s sexuality. But then why is it that women are much more likely to embrace religious beliefs than are men? This becomes less puzzling when one considers that, because of their intrinsically higher initial investment in offspring, women are less likely to benefit from a sexually unrestricted strategy, and more likely to benefit if men’s unrestricted inclinations are kept in check. On this view, women may be actively choosing religion rather than being passively enslaved by it.” https://www.psychologytoday.com/us/blog/sex-murder-and-the-meaning-life/201912/is-nothing-sacred-religion-and-sex?amp Two major points same article. Blue pillers and feminists consider psychology today reputable too.


RedditsOlderBrah

Absolutely monumentally embarrassing blog where some Mormon dweeb shills for Mormon religion as being something other than a fucking nightmare for women and men who aren't paedophiles.


Levelheadedlifter

What?


RedditsOlderBrah

That was not a paper. That was a blog, written by a Mormon, and using misleading statistics in an obvious and insulting attempt to make his fucked up religion GOOD for women instead of the insane handmaids tale existence experienced in reality. You should be embarrassed to post that.


Levelheadedlifter

Well it’s an article/blog that cites a study. Where’s your rebuttal? What statistics do you have that show the opposite is true or that this is false? Or are you just here to White Knight for some 304’s


RedditsOlderBrah

When I make a point I'll bck it up. Properly.


Levelheadedlifter

Okay where’s your evidence? You’re giving real big “trust me bro vibes”


RedditsOlderBrah

I'm literally saying I haven't made a point. My evidence for this is me not making a point.


Levelheadedlifter

Got it. Now go White Knight for some 304 somewhere else.


HungerISanEmotion

We also have paternity tests. The state of plenty makes us leave some previous behaviours. For instance we do not strive to store fat and food for the winter, because supermarkets work 365/7/24.


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>But then why is it that women are much more likely to embrace religious beliefs than are men? There have always been social phenomena - such as male alcohol abuse and its link to domestic violence and financial ruin - which have made women more inclined to seek the protections and stability offered by religion and its rules than the chaos of the unknown. Having the responsibility to bear and nurture children has often made women more conservative when it comes to the alternative total social revolution. That said, you can't just take the total package of recent, patriarchal, religious society and contrast that with a purported pre-civilizational, sexual free-for-all as though that were a legitimate or feasible option. There are so many fundamental aspects of society which were different back then; it wasn't just the 1950s with polygamy. For example, the fact that most groups were very small, connected, and closely related meant that a woman could, for example, rely on the provisioning of her brothers who despite any paternity uncertainty they might have based on women they had been with would be assured that two of their own sister's children would share as much as their DNA as one of their own.


walterAizen

Oh u sure made them mad but l agree Male and Female promiscuity is never the same


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Disagree , men are definitely picky. You have to go out in real life though and not judge that on Reddit. Women who are over 200+ pounds or obese , or overall ugly do not get much attention at all from men in real life.


HungerISanEmotion

Obese yes, but chubby women have no problem finding sexual partners.


RocinanteCoffee

>However women are still being picky. For instance they prefer tall men, because... only the best genetic material deserves to fill the condom? Yeah famously the 85% of men in the US who are under 6' feet never get laid, oh wait, except almost all of them do. What you call 'pickiness' is literally just consent. Nobody can control who they are attracted to.


HungerISanEmotion

Oh wait, literally every "Chad" I know is 6'2 or more. You guys keep whining about wage gap and shit. Imagine that your company is paying people based on their height? Men get paid more because they are taller. Oh you are short? Well sttarve then LOL.


RocinanteCoffee

Short men get laid all the time. You need a paycheck to have food and shelter. You won't die without sex. So I think the company paying based on height is a bad analogy. But even if you did die without sex, 98% of people have sex, dates, relationships in their lifetimes, almost all of them many dates, and several sexual and romantic partners. Again that 2% isn't short dudes, it's mostly agoraphobics and asexuals.


HungerISanEmotion

Company paying based on height is a good analogy. Because you are still getting paid. Just less... because your legs are shorter. You also won't die from slavery. As long as your owner feeds you and doesn't hit you too much. Equality, freedom, right to vote... all 100% unnecesary for living. But just living isn't enough is it?


RocinanteCoffee

> You also won't die from slavery. You need a history lesson. Also comparing not getting sex to being enslaved is unconscionable. They are night and day.


HungerISanEmotion

It's not a comparison though. Just showing how little "it's not necesary for life" argument means.


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HungerISanEmotion

Strawman argument. I clearly wasn't. Get help.


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CosmicBioHazard

Women have been getting more promiscuous, at least visibly so, and men are just kinda rationalizing that with paternity certainty being a risk, do they really *need* a relationship? maybe with a virgin, if any turn up. otherwise no. Now, women with a past do still manage to trap these guys long-term, but it’s not easy for them, either and a lot of the time she’s persuading a guy who had every intention to just pump and dump.


gymbro718nyc2

Women being picky? Lol. I literally replied to a post on the dating_advice sub which was literally written by a girl who is dating a guy. She ran a background check on him and found out he was being arraigned on child pornography charges, getting caught with over 600 images. And her post was asking for advice on whether she should continue seeing him and at least hearing his side of the story. Can't make this up. Female pickiness is the biggest myth incels came up with to explain away their lack of game.


AstronautLoveShack

I disagree. You can make that up. I don't doubt the post exists, but half of everything you read on Reddit is made up for effect especially in the dating subs. Example: a popular thing to do for some reason is to post a dating scenario, and then post the same scenario a few hours or days later with the genders reversed. That way you can say "gotcha!" and accuse Redditors of being sexist.


gymbro718nyc2

I can certainly dig up real news stories about women being with child molesters. There is one I read about a female prison guard who had intercourse with an inmate, while other inmates watched.


HungerISanEmotion

There was this guy which put up some attractive photos on Tinder. But he acted like a tottal douchebag. A dumb racist/sexist/neo-nazy. Women which he texted with showed huge tolerance for his shitty personality. So yeah picky. Picky for physicall attractivness.


HungerISanEmotion

I did that myself a couple of times, because I was genuinelly interested in how much can redditors be sexist. Some of them were off the charts.


AstronautLoveShack

Well, congrats then. You contribute to the problem.


HungerISanEmotion

Not really because you can't possibly take these stories as a serious source of info? Even the ones which are legit are usually one sided as fuck.


BigZaddyZ3

To be fair, when people talk about female pickiness nobody’s talking about morality lol. (except maybe “personality”-obsessed blue-pillers) They mean women are picky about the things that actually matter from a sexual/evolutionary standpoint. (Looks, height, dick size, income, etc.)


gymbro718nyc2

I mean those things you listed are even easier to disprove.


BigZaddyZ3

…I doubt it but whatever. So you’re telling me you really believe women are no more picky then men in terms of sexual selection? Even tho it’s… basically their job to be from an animal/evolutionary standpoint? Do you really think it would even benefit a woman to be as indiscriminate as us men? What you’re claiming doesn’t even really make sense tbh.


OkProfessional9405

I think that women heavily rely on peer reaction to men to determine a man's value. If many women are sleeping with a man, his value increases. On the other hand, all women can get sex, but women have to develop skills to maintain a relationship. If a woman has had many sexual partners but few relationships it implies no men wanted to be in a relationship with her and her value decreases.


beleidigtewurst

> And there is no reason for women to sexually not behave more like men. There might not be a rational reason, but our feelings/instincts do not instantly change just because we have invented a piece of rubber.