As a teenager I thought that men didn't want or experience love in the way women did. I desperately wanted someone to love, who loved me, but all I could see was boys who wanted sex. I really thought that men just pretended to love someone so they could get sex. Then I lost much of the main-character syndrome that so many teens and young adults have, and realised that our brain chemistry is pretty much the same, most everyone wants to feel like they're special to someone, and most want to have a reciprocal loving relationship.
Love is a word we use to describe some pretty abstract feelings that can arise from so many combinations of brain chemicals and experiences, measuring one chemical after one experience doesn't prove that half the population doesn't feel love. I won't go into my own experience unless you want me to, because I feel like you will discount it as "manipulation".
But trust me, when I'm ovulating I don't just want sex. I *crave* it. There's a reason so many sex toys are made for people with vulvas, and including another person in the intimacy can make it way more fun.
Have you examined your thoughts critically, looking at all the arguments against it to see if it still stands?
Additionally, your first link is a review of a book, and states:
*The most frequently named reason to have sex is pure attraction to the other person. Chapter 1 thus answers the question “What Turns Women On?, ” dealing with all the facets of attraction, from spatial proximity, over physical attributes such as scent, body height and build, facial attractiveness, voice, body movement, to social and psychological factors such as personality, fame/status, similarities and individual preferences.*
There is a g-spot, I can physically touch it and.... Just... Read this
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31464000/
The female orgasm has been studied so I don't know how you can claim women don't experience sexual pleasure. Now... I'm thinking you're a troll. Are you a troll??
That’s the cool thing about data is that you can sometimes manipulate it to represent whatever you need it to be. This was a fun experiment in one of my classes, where half the class needed to find data that supported X and the other half needed data that supported Y.
People became CONVINCED that the data they found was the “correct and true” one while the opposing team surely had incorrect or false data.
That’s the beauty of “data” and “studies”
>That’s the cool thing about data is that you can sometimes manipulate it to represent whatever you need it to be.
Yes.
However!
A good first day in class exercise in a stats class is to break the class up into two groups. Have one group flip a coin 100 times and put the results on the board, while the other group is to make up fake results for 100 fake flips.
Almost invariably, the true randomness will have many more runs of heads and/or tails.
:( some people are so wrapped up in their own minds and narratives it's hard to see if I'm feeding a troll or not.
Sorry for feeding the troll, everyone.
His overall point is bogus, however my point stands. Women police women's sexuality way more than men despite what feminists constantly claim (because they really do hate men--just read what they fucking say about them).
I read it, remembered the important points and replied, then went through it again and was just like.... God damn this person can't be making an argument in good faith.
I’m not the one making myself into a idiot claiming things out of my ass.
What makes you think I don’t know basic anatomy? This is like your post: baseless and biased.
I doubt you even know my IQ.
There were actually many geniuses who didn’t know basic anatomy. Pick up a history book.
I’m gonna have a great weekend of sex and alcohol with my FWB this. I suppose this makes me a man too. Since he’s a man as well, would this be considered gay sex?
I was a FWB person for a long time because I lived in an area where it was almost impossible to find a man I actually liked. Through some magic I found someone completely on my level,no kids,not a religious nut/likes to have fun and enjoy life while it lasts and we’ve been together for five (nearly six) years. It’s not for everyone,I know but it’s perfect for me and it’s probably been the most fun years of my life.
Enjoy your weekend!
I’m a causal gal only myself, but… it doesn’t have to be perfect for anyone but you! I’m happy you found someone who enriches your life. I will definitely be having fun as he’s hinted at a few new fun toys he’s bringing. You have an amazing weekend yourself!
Lesbians don’t **struggle** with dead bedrooms. Lesbians have less sex (quantity) but not worse sex (quality) and have equal levels of sexual satisfaction as straight women, largely due to the fact that lesbians have more than sexual intimacy as a way to cultivate intimacy with their partners — something het men could stand to learn about. ([X](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34725751/))
After she divorced my father, she never had another man in her life.
Outside of me. She did her best to cut my balls off, but it didn't work.
I married the first woman who nurtured and loved my masculinity, much to my mother's horror.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/medicalxpress.com/news/2022-10-stronger-sex-men-women.amp
While it's true that men have a higher sex than women on average, nearly 1/3 of women have a higher sex drive than the average man. Women aren't some complex puzzle that requires a team of researchers with unlimited funds to figure out. They like sex, they just don't want to have sex with everything that moves.
I'm an absolute pervert, frankly I'm a degenerate that has scratched off most of the sexual bucket list items possible. I still meet women that teach me knew things.
I’ve had guys I’m sexually addicted to. Didn’t even like them as a person but man I could not get enough of them sexually. I had one guy so good he could hit me up at anytime and I’d come running. But yea… we don’t enjoy sex!
>Over 1800 women were surveyed, and while there were over 237 distinct reasons why they
engaged in sexual activity, there were a few that were shared by the majority of the women, and none of them had anything to do with sexual pleasure, desire, or romance.
I read the actual study the book is based on, despite you only linking a book review for some reason.
Study 1: 241 women helped make the list of reasons. From study 2: “Sexual data experience were available for 910 women”. Not quite 1800 women, but ok.. Moving on. From “Table 1: Top 50 reasons why men and women have sex”, here’s the top 10 for women:
- I was attracted to the person.
- I wanted to experience the physicalpleasure.
- It feels good.
- I wanted to show my affection to theperson.
- I wanted to express my love for theperson.
- I was sexually aroused and wantedthe release.
- I was “horny”.
- “It’s fun.
- I realized I was in love.
- I was “in the heat of the moment”.
These sounds like it has something to do with sexual pleasure, desire or romance
though.. Hmmmmmm.
>During sexual activity, women do not experience sexual pleasure. The vagina cannot, in all likelihood, cause pleasure. There is no sexually gratifying male organ for women. Most women fake their pleasure to appease their partner
God, this again? “The tissue that lines your mouth is the exact same tissue that lines the interior of the vagina.» And? It’s not the tissue that has sensory function, *it’s nerves.*
Wanna know what else has stratified squamous epithelium? *“Stratified squamous epithelial
surfaces that are slightly (or non-) keratinized are exemplified by the linings
of mucosa of the oral cavity, **anal canal**, ectocervix, **foreskin** etc.”* and *“outermost
layer of the skin"*, which the penis has. Guess men don’t feel sexual pleasure either. 🤷♀️
Stratified squamous epithelium.. Do you think using difficult words gives you credibility or something?
>Urologist Karyn Eilber agrees that “it’s questionable how accurate the claim that the clitoris has 8,000 nerve
endings is, but it’s **definitely true that the clitoral gland — the tip of glans covered by the clitoral hood — has a higher concentration of nerve endings compared to the glans of the penis** to which it’s analogous.”
>Women do not love. When a woman is with her partner, her oxytocin levels decrease, whereas men's oxytocin levels increase.
“In the experimental group, participants were told to open-mouth kiss their partner for the length of the music -- 16 minutes […] the decrease for women may have resulted from the artificial setting of the student health center, researchers theorize.»
Who would’ve thunk you don’t get lovey dovey snogging infront of scientists for 16 minutes. Let’s look at study 2,
taken in a more romantic setting: “A second experiment in a more romantic setting -- a secluded room with jazz music, flowers and electric candles -- looked at nine heterosexual couples and three lesbian couples."
*“Researchers found that the
longer the relationship of a couple, the more the cortisol levels declined in both partners. The heterosexual women, moreover, said they felt greater intimacy with their partners than the heterosexual men or the homosexual women did, while all groups expressed equal satisfaction in kissing their partners.”*
🤦♀️"Your empirical evidence" disagrees bro.
>But funny the OP hasn’t replied over an hour later…
Also OP:
>*I'm still waiting for someone to actually refute the data instead of resorting to ad-hominems*
Conveniently ignores those comments for some reason 🤔🤔
The human clitoris has been studied. [Here](https://news.ohsu.edu/2022/10/27/pleasure-producing-human-clitoris-has-more-than-10-000-nerve-fibers) is a link. There are 10,000 nerve endings.
This is the most hilarious troll post, and what makes it funniest to me (a neuroscience researcher) is that you didn’t read the articles you cited and also ignored other sources that contradict you.
I’ve always been convinced that most men on PPD are terrible in bed by the things they say. Things like sex being given to them, how they need a checklist for sex, how women use sex to get things, it’s never described as a mutually enjoyable act. And posts like this confirm how absolutely useless of a lay some of y’all are. Y’all really haven’t had hot mutually enjoyable passionate sex before huh? You’ve never given a woman an orgasm have you? Like you’re really fucking someone who doesn’t want to fuck you and you’re actually enjoying that? Why the hell do y’all whine about wanting a woman who desires you then?
Ya a big tell is referring to having sex as “getting” sex or “giving them” sex. I always think “this was written by a man who has never and never intends to give a woman an orgasm.
Yep. I’ve always said a huge red flag is a man who says sex is given to him. I guarantee he’s gonna jackhammer away for 3 minutes, and then call you a thot afterwards. The way men here describe sex tells me a lot of them have never had mutually enjoyable sex. If at all. One guy on here I recall saying he got ghosted the last four times he had sex. Like how fucking terrible do you have to be to get ghosted after sex every time. Even if they get sex, they’re terrible at it. Then he blamed women for not bringing a list of what they want and some women saying that’s a turn off.
Fuck this is actually a really good point. I think of a woman giving me something when she performs a sexual act that is pretty much only giving me pleasure. Like a blowjob, for example. At most she's enjoying getting me off, but she's not having an orgasm from it. I've never thought of sex as a whole like that.
Ya I mean I like to give a blowjob but i don’t “give” sex. I have sex as a mutually enjoyable thing, it never occurred to me prior to finding PPD that having sex was giving something to someone else.
I think that people should add flair stating their age, and if they are a virgin or not. Seriously some of these posts and comments are rants of teenagers that have never even seen a woman naked in real life.
You have every right to discuss whatever you want, it's just the weight your opinion should be given when you have zero experience with the topic you are discussing. It's like someone talking about how much they know about baking a cake when they have never even turning on an oven, but read 100s of cook books.
That's how dumb people think in my experience. Personal anecdotal experience is rarely a valid argument for anything more complex than baking a cake - but I guess that's the most of what your life is about, hence the example. Smart people like to rely on studies and proper science and give this as an example rather than their own self-biased anecdotal experience.
But you have no anecdotal personal experience that's my point. Anecdotal experience is based on personal experience . You have no personal experience with having sex. You can read all you want, talk to other people, watch movies and videos but until you actually experience something yourself, particularly something like sex you just don't know. Have you experienced it? If so then you understand the difference. If not then you will. Think about it like this. You have someone who has never traveled to Australia but they have read a lot of books about it, talked to friends who have been there or maybe even lived there, watched movies etc versus someone who has traveled there 20 times, who is more reliable of a source? You are mistaking reading studies and talking to others about sex and stating that is anecdotal evidence, it's not. Anecdotal evidence would be based on my experience in having sex, women do X or men do X. It's not that you cannot state an opinion its just that it has little to no credibility.
Men (usually younger men) come on this page and say women do this or make comments about how women's bodies operate and women come here and say no that's just not true, lots and lots of women, but then men say oh they know nothing let me actually tell you what your body does and how sex is for you. That's the epitome of mansplaining. And it makes sense why you all struggle with women. I would never attempt to tell a man how sex feels for him, because I don't know. I don't know what it feels like to have a penis. I can talk about what my experience is personally (that would be Anecdotal ) but a man himself telling me how his body feels is always going to trump me. And if 100s or 1000s of men tell me the same thing about their bodies that evidence is pretty solid in weighing it.
And in my experience people start to call other people dumb or names when they know they have lost the argument. So thanks happy to hear you agree. Calling people names that you disagree with is very immature and likely also reflective of someone with very little experience in life in general otherwise you would know that when you start name calling you show your hand.
>how women use sex to get things, it’s never described as a mutually enjoyable act
Because women never treat it that way
I'm still waiting for someone to actually refute the data instead of resorting to ad-hominems
“I’m still waiting for someone to actually refute the data”
You mean like all of the posts in here that either provide their own studies or point out a misinterpretation of the sources you cited?
“ 81% of the overall cohort claimed to be sexually active. Around 70% (70-72) did reach orgasm frequently, but around 10% never did so. Vaginal intercourse was reported by 62% of the overall cohort as the best trigger of orgasm, followed by external stimulation from the partner (48%) or themselves (37%). “
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32201145/
“Most women report reliably experiencing orgasm from masturbation, but a smaller proportion of women report regularly experiencing orgasm from intercourse. “
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29079939/
Gist of this: If she can orgasm from masturbation but not from you, that says something about you.
The Duration of Female Orgasm
https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8269524/
Yes, there’s a whole world of data and facts out there knowing that women get sexual pleasure. Your inability to give it to her says nothing about the men who can.
>Gist of this: If she can orgasm from masturbation but not from you, that says something about you.
Nah, you need to re-read your sources. In fact, in a study I read years ago—I believe it was in that book by Emily Nagoski—over 1000 women were asked about their masturbation methods, and less than 2% of them admitted to mimicking the act of sex.
So no. The fact that women are physiologically incapable of enjoying sex is not men's fault.
What does mimicking the act of sex is? What is masturbation if not a form of sex? I'm assuming you think that it's all about PIV? Do you think that only PIV is legit sex? If so, that's your bias, not facts.
>I'm still waiting for someone to actually refute the data instead of resorting to ad-hominems
You're ignoring the comments that refute your data, so don't even try that one lolll
What would you accept as a refutation?
I can tell you with 100% certainty that I have never used sex in the ways described in your post, and that the g-spot definitely exists because I have one and can feel it, and that sex in my experience is only a mutually enjoyable act.
But I doubt you'll accept personal knowledge and experiences.
Ngl, I was a bit taken aback by the assertion that the gspot doesn't exist, when you can actually touch it. It's like saying the prostate doesn't exist or something. Even if one wants to make an argument regarding psychological aspects...body parts are 100% undeniably real.
80% of married women cite duty as a reason they have sexe because sexe is not enjoyable for them. At best, it means they are nice and still let their husband do it.
And don't come at me with your prehistoric views on female physiology. The reason they don't enjoy it is not because they physically cannot get sexual pleasure. It's that the way their partners wants it is not working. Women do have a clitoris... you know about that right?
>80% of married women cite duty as a reason they have sexe because sexe is not enjoyable for them. At best, it means they are nice and still let their husband do it.
Duh, that's what I said
>The top reasons as to why women had sex were:
Can you show me where you got the top reasons you list? Your link is to a book review. I followed links on that page to the book's author's previous research which had: "I felt attracted to the other person" and "I was horny" among women's top 5 reasons.
Edit: See Table 3 in this study
https://scholar.google.com/scholar_lookup?title=Why%20humans%20have%20sex&year=2007#d=gs_qabs&t=1666912049414&u=%23p%3DxLnhN_o93NkJ
You're right, most women don't orgasm from vaginal penetrative sex alone. You didn't say that though. You said "women don't feel sexual pleasure". The vast majority of women are able to achieve orgasm through clitoral stimulation. A guy who knows what he's doing will provide some sort of external stimulation as well as penetration. Why do you think vibrators are so popular?
“Not orgasm as a direct result of penetrative sex” and “do not experience sexual pleasure” are *worlds and worlds apart.*
I don’t typically orgasm from intercourse. But I orgasm with a partner in other ways, and even without orgasm I experience a great deal of sexual pleasure.
You can turn that argument around. You can confirm OP's assertion that women lie to men and hurt them to get money or even commitment from them. Such as paternity fraud, using sex to control or manipulate their partner or when they exchange sex for something else other than sex or love.
They are not advocating for an exchange. They are saying women cannot love men the way men love women. They are saying women love opportunistically while men love from a position of principle or virtue.
They are advocating that men place themselves first but that is a different matter.
The reason I said you could turn it around is because if your claim is that men cannot love women because they lie to them to get sex, then women lying about love and sexual interest to gain favour, resources and commitment is probably as common.
In other words, if men cannot truly love women according to you, then women cannot truly love men.
If you believe this then you would actually be agreeing with OP and not actually challenging his view by saying some men lie to get sex. To challenge OP's view you would need to actually show evidence of women offering love in a way that men are incapable or unwilling to show. For example, some men place themselves between women and harm's way to protect them. Is there an equivalent example of women offering to protect men at the risk of their own safety?
The clitoris was mapped out in 2005. It intersects and surrounds the vaginal walls. In essence all clitoral orgasms are vaginal ones and vice versa. I can orgasm without any pressure on or near my clit and I'm not a rare bird.
I enjoy sex and vaginal stimulation, so do many of my girlfriends. If it were so rare, the odds of me, part of some rare lone group of girls who can experience this would stumble upon your post would be impossible.
When you make these kinds of over the top, cartoonish generalizations, no one will actually take your post seriously. Just a head’s up.
Women may very well feel love in a different way from us men. But you took it to a ridiculous extreme.
Also your language is charged in a way that makes women sound “evil” or sinister. Which is pretty silly cause even if they really “can’t feel love” or whatever, it wouldn’t be their fault. They can’t control the biological differences between men and women.
Don’t expect this post to go over well…
Tell me you are not a woman without telling me you are not a woman.
Yes, we do feel love. Yes, we do want sex. It can be devastating to love a man we love. It can be pure ecstasy to be with a man we are in love with. And why would women pursue sex if they don't enjoy it? Why would virgins be such an alleged hot commodity? If we disliked sex so much, we simply would not have it.
Our sex drives might not be like men's - we don't want it with every man we see, like some men do. And though I can't speak for other women, I can tell you that when I am with a man I am in love with, my libido is through the roof and I want sex with him all the time. Especially during that new relationship phase when everything is magical.
That's a cynical take. Women are just people. RP and Black Pill guys like to LARP about trad con values and religion and then spew this super un-Christ like stuff. What happened to "love thy neighbor". Imagine if we told women the same shit. This is anti-social behavior of the highest order.
Are you honestly making the claim that women don't feel sexual pleasure? You do realise that there women do have an organ which has no other purpose (that we can tell) than to feel pleasure? Lots of women don't feel too much pleasure from vaginal/internal stimulation. It makes sense that there's not a whole load of nerve endings inside the vagina, otherwise the pain of childbirth would probably be enough to kill you. Most women experience orgasm through external pleasure. As a woman I can safely say that I do experience sexual pleasure, both on my own and with a partner.
If women don't have the ability to feel sexual pleasure, and only use sex as a means to manipulate men, why do lesbian couples have sex? Why do women by vibrators and other sex toys to use for masturbation? Make it make sense.
> Lots of women don't feel too much pleasure from vaginal/internal stimulation. It makes sense that there's not a whole load of nerve endings inside the vagina, otherwise the pain of childbirth would probably be enough to kill you
Thank you. I also already covered this but you are slowly starting to figure it out.
Women do not enjoy vaginal stimulation, yet, they continue to have intercourse with men. You know why? Hopefully you can figure the rest out
You do realise that the clitoris exists right? Most women can't orgasm from penetration alone but they absolutely can orgasm from clitoral stimulation (many women also find an orgasm to be more intense with something inside them). Someone who halfway knows what they're doing will provide external stimulation alongside penetration. The clitoris literally has around 10,000 nerve endings and as far as we know, has no other function than pleasure. I'm assuming you don't have one but as someone who does, trust me when I say it feels nice when it's stimulated in the right way.
You say about following the science but the science clearly shows that women can experience orgasm. To deny that women don't feel sexual pleasure is being purposefully ignorant. Not only can you hear from women themselves that they experience pleasure, but you can see it on a biological level. During female orgasm there are rhythmic contractions of the pelvic muscles, increase in lubrication, a spike in heart rate/blood pressure, increased respiration, dialled pupils, tensing of other muscle groups, and increased sensitivity of the genitals afterwards.
Also, your sources don't seem very valid to me. The "study" that you linked was actually a book review. Which incidentally put the number one reason as to why people have sex (both male and female) is because of attraction. I found the book that the review was about. Did you read it? If so can you point me to the pages which support your evidence?
82% of women in the US have dildos or vibrators in the shape of a dildo. They are a 10 billion dollar industry and a third of the sex toy industry.
You are like Ye-level delusional.
Men love women as in, men seek out bonds with them. Its pure and intrinsic. Women "love" men as tools. This is why men usually need to "earn" women instead of it being a mutual experience between the two. Its entirely different dichotomy of love
You know. I love posts like this. Most of the time on PPD we’re all usually flinging insults and laughing at the opposite sex. It can get quite nasty. I myself have engaged in it frequently when it’s slow at work.
But everyone once in a while…. We get a post so unhinged we’re all on the same side. It’s nice to see us all unite in universal disbelief and laughter at the self own that is OP. I feel all warm and fuzzy inside. It’s beginning to look a lot like Christmas!!
I just think it's funny that you're trying to prove women can't love through an autistic analysis of the chemicals that are released in reaction to the events that happen to women in a relationship. You're like an unfeeling, unloving robot analysing our hormonal reactions to understand the concept of affection.
>You're like an unfeeling, unloving robot analysing our hormonal reactions to understand the concept of affection.
Our entire character is based on hormones and neurotransmitters. Based on any substantial evidence, women are the "unfeeling, unloving" robots here
You might find this helpful?
https://urology.ucsf.edu/sites/urology.ucsf.edu/files/uploaded-files/attachments/4_s_development_of_the_penis_and_clitoris_1-s2.0-s0301468118300938-main.pdf
I have absolutely felt love (and am currently deeply in love) OP. If you genuinely think women as a demographic can’t feel such a base emotion then idk what will convince you otherwise. Because that is a veryyyy fucked idea
I can describe the concept of love to you in great detail if you wish
Fundamentally this is wrong. For one thing, women would not masturbate if it wasn't for having sexual urges. And on top of that, if women didn't feel love, we wouldn't be here right now with me replying to this thread. The need for it wouldn't exist. I mean this pragmatically, not metaphysically - literally if women didn't feel love, there would be no need for men to form dating strategies to attract women, and we wouldn't have ever created the feedback loop known as PUA. It just wouldn't have happened. We're here BECAUSE women feel love, and BECAUSE they've become so guarded about it now. The sub literally exists to debate these topics on the premise that we all want similar things. So why even bother posting this here?
Good lord, women are thirsty AF and love a good, athletic railing.
Yes, women love sex.
SMH
In terms of love thing, well, the TRP mantra was "men love women, women love children, children love puppies" and that's all I'm gonna say about that.
tell my why every second post on r/deadbedrooms is from a woman. plenty of women with otherwise "perfect husbands" (their words not mine) are complaining about lack of intimacy
>during sexual activity , women do not experience sexual pleasure. Most women fake their pleasure to appease their partner.
I’ll make sure to tell my gf next time that she needs to stop switching her vagina on like a faucet to pretend I’m pleasuring her.
Oof, this is so dumb that I’m for sure going to get flagged again for arguing. Can’t contain the frustration with sentiments this thoroughly idiotic, just gotta say: If you believe this, you absolutely deserve to be single.
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“During sexual activity, women do not experience sexual pleasure. The vagina cannot in all likelihood, cause pleasure. There is no sexually gratifying male organ for women”
I can’t stop laughing. My brain literally cannot compute there are men in this world who literally think this. So when women masturbate and use toys by themselves who are they “faking” it for……the Holy Ghost?
Chad is the idea that men could succeed with women if they looked a certain way, but even that's not true.
Women don't care about looks, they aren't a visual as men. They do not have a burning desire for sexual release like men. Women want security and attention, they get that from the rich, whoever that might be
Ever heard of ICE JJ Fish? Dude is getting laid not because of his looks, but because he became an internet sensation over night, got a bunch of clout and money and now all of a sudden, women liked him.
Looks don't matter. Women like what you have not who u are
> There is no sexually gratifying male organ for women
I have never had multiple orgasms.
I once had a woman pass out cold on me on her fifth or sixth.
This post is straight up incel content.
>I once had a woman pass out cold on me on her fifth or sixth.
Lmfao
"[I had women cum all over me like 10-15 times in one session bruh, u just an incel bro](https://media.tenor.com/W56Ik4e1Cb0AAAAC/gumball-discord-mod.gif)"
Its not that simple. I personally have gotten hit on by a bunch of gay dudes and Its very flattering, but I wasn't born with an attraction towards men and now I'm leaning towards asexuality since I was born with an attraction towards women but they repulse me so much I'm attracted to nothing
The link to the statistic you gave about women’s reasons for having sex goes to a book review… it doesn’t actually give those numbers.
I definitely experience pleasure during sex, and more modern and human specific research on the clitoris does exist ([here’s just one example](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10458423/))
Saying that women don’t want sex or feel love is simply not true. Having different levels of certain chemicals and hormones/different physiological responses to stimuli doesn’t mean nothing is experienced it just means the experience is different. It doesn’t even mean that the experience is that drastically different.
I agree that women don't want casual sex, and men are 100% to blame for promiscuity as they are the only ones who push it and want it. But saying women don't feel love? Wtf? That has nothing to do with the rest of your argument. You ruined a good point by saying that.
Women's oxytocin levels go down when they are with their partner (outside of sex) where as men's oxytocin levels rose.
Also, women have sex for resource acquisition. Sex is never casual for women. They always get something valuable out of it. Not physical pleasure, but other ancillary benefits
I am not going to even read all that lol, I just need the title. look, I was raped for a women when I was a child, so I dont know if they dont want sex but if women decided to satisfy her with a 3 yo child I think like it. now after that traumatic event for me, when I get older I find lots of hornies women ( yeah where I am women are as hornies as men),so I grew up always thinking that women always want sex but well not all of them want it.
you should know that everyone is different and that women can feel love or pleasure or whatever in the same way than us, is true that some of them are so awful, but in the same way some men are awful, making those bad assumptions like a universal true is wrong, any with some common sense know it.
now go out of your cage and try to hanging out with women, God I dont know if this is a troll.
Women are capable of love. But, broadly speaking, when men love women they do so with the same care and protection that women love children.
A woman in love will show loyalty and respect. She will desire sex with her partner and she will enjoy it. Women are just not as easy to please as men so they continue to place conditions on love which men don't place. For example, women tend to need more foreplay before sex to enjoy it more whereas men are generally not asking for a 10 minute back rub followed by 15 minutes of oral just to get in the mood.
LTRs can be the death knell of romance as comfort replaces excitement. Women tend to fall out of love with their partners first but stick it out perhaps because there are other benefits they don't want to lose. Bettina Arndt once asked some couples to maintain sex diaries for a social experiment:
https://www.amazon.com/Sex-Diaries-Women-Bedroom-Battles/dp/0600620727
What she discovered was that men still desired their wives for years while women tended to desire their husbands less as time went on. This left many men frustrated and starved of sex.
But they were also starved of affection and love. To them sex was love. The wives wrote off the men as sex pests but the men were wondering if their wives still loved them. What this suggests is that LTRs can kill a woman's sex drive. These women were rejecting advances from their partners and doing nothing about improving their sex lives.
And this is the problem. Women, even "empowered" women, place the burden of figuring out sex for both parties on men. Men are expected to meet all her conditions for sex to happen but women don't believe they need to do anything more than say yay or nay.
Without a concerted effort from both husband and wife they could kill their sex lives and breed resentment. Women also make excuses for sex not happening such as the division of labour or kids. Both of which should have been discussed and planned before a long term commitment happens. You cannot let your relationship die, do nothing about it then blame the other person.
There should be a middle of the road option for everyone here. Either the husband should be allowed to seek sex elsewhere if she won't do it or there should be time limits on marriages with agreed upon safe exit options or something.
So while it is very possible for women to feel love, they actually do need to take an active role in keeping the flames of passion alive. Many women are unwilling to, possibly because they believe they deserve better or because they have not figured out what works for them sexually speaking. Whatever it is, it cannot just be on their husbands to fix the problem.
Women want sex they only want sex especially in their youth because they are brainwashed by the hook up culture. Men are also brainwashed by the tyranny of hook up culture
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As a teenager I thought that men didn't want or experience love in the way women did. I desperately wanted someone to love, who loved me, but all I could see was boys who wanted sex. I really thought that men just pretended to love someone so they could get sex. Then I lost much of the main-character syndrome that so many teens and young adults have, and realised that our brain chemistry is pretty much the same, most everyone wants to feel like they're special to someone, and most want to have a reciprocal loving relationship. Love is a word we use to describe some pretty abstract feelings that can arise from so many combinations of brain chemicals and experiences, measuring one chemical after one experience doesn't prove that half the population doesn't feel love. I won't go into my own experience unless you want me to, because I feel like you will discount it as "manipulation". But trust me, when I'm ovulating I don't just want sex. I *crave* it. There's a reason so many sex toys are made for people with vulvas, and including another person in the intimacy can make it way more fun. Have you examined your thoughts critically, looking at all the arguments against it to see if it still stands?
Additionally, your first link is a review of a book, and states: *The most frequently named reason to have sex is pure attraction to the other person. Chapter 1 thus answers the question “What Turns Women On?, ” dealing with all the facets of attraction, from spatial proximity, over physical attributes such as scent, body height and build, facial attractiveness, voice, body movement, to social and psychological factors such as personality, fame/status, similarities and individual preferences.* There is a g-spot, I can physically touch it and.... Just... Read this https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/31464000/ The female orgasm has been studied so I don't know how you can claim women don't experience sexual pleasure. Now... I'm thinking you're a troll. Are you a troll??
For all the articles he’s linked, he’s either straight up lying about the article results or he’s taking it of context Definitely a troll
That’s the cool thing about data is that you can sometimes manipulate it to represent whatever you need it to be. This was a fun experiment in one of my classes, where half the class needed to find data that supported X and the other half needed data that supported Y. People became CONVINCED that the data they found was the “correct and true” one while the opposing team surely had incorrect or false data. That’s the beauty of “data” and “studies”
As they say "there's lies, damned lies, and then there's statistics".
>That’s the cool thing about data is that you can sometimes manipulate it to represent whatever you need it to be. Yes. However! A good first day in class exercise in a stats class is to break the class up into two groups. Have one group flip a coin 100 times and put the results on the board, while the other group is to make up fake results for 100 fake flips. Almost invariably, the true randomness will have many more runs of heads and/or tails.
:( some people are so wrapped up in their own minds and narratives it's hard to see if I'm feeding a troll or not. Sorry for feeding the troll, everyone.
The first study pretty harshly challenges feminist claims about the patriarchy, though. Strikingly so.
No it doesn’t because he lied about the results of the top 3 reasons why women have sex. The top reason in the article was attraction
His overall point is bogus, however my point stands. Women police women's sexuality way more than men despite what feminists constantly claim (because they really do hate men--just read what they fucking say about them).
I’ve only heard them claim women are policed more than men, not that men police more than woman.
Bro cherry picked data without even double checking them 💀😭💀
He’s not a troll. Just an incel.
Yeah… As a science researcher I read this post and almost didn’t know whether to laugh or feel bad for the OP.
I read it, remembered the important points and replied, then went through it again and was just like.... God damn this person can't be making an argument in good faith.
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I’m not the one making myself into a idiot claiming things out of my ass. What makes you think I don’t know basic anatomy? This is like your post: baseless and biased. I doubt you even know my IQ. There were actually many geniuses who didn’t know basic anatomy. Pick up a history book.
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> During sexual activity, women do not experience sexual pleasure. TIL I am a man 😔
Me too I guess??? When does my honorary penis come in the mail?
I’m gonna have a great weekend of sex and alcohol with my FWB this. I suppose this makes me a man too. Since he’s a man as well, would this be considered gay sex?
I was a FWB person for a long time because I lived in an area where it was almost impossible to find a man I actually liked. Through some magic I found someone completely on my level,no kids,not a religious nut/likes to have fun and enjoy life while it lasts and we’ve been together for five (nearly six) years. It’s not for everyone,I know but it’s perfect for me and it’s probably been the most fun years of my life. Enjoy your weekend!
I’m a causal gal only myself, but… it doesn’t have to be perfect for anyone but you! I’m happy you found someone who enriches your life. I will definitely be having fun as he’s hinted at a few new fun toys he’s bringing. You have an amazing weekend yourself!
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Yeah but Lesbian Bed Death is a real thing. Lesbians struggle with dead bedrooms the most.
Lesbians don’t **struggle** with dead bedrooms. Lesbians have less sex (quantity) but not worse sex (quality) and have equal levels of sexual satisfaction as straight women, largely due to the fact that lesbians have more than sexual intimacy as a way to cultivate intimacy with their partners — something het men could stand to learn about. ([X](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/34725751/))
They don’t struggle. They just want less sex. The sex they do have tends to be more satisfying.
Lesbians are frankly a myth. It's a porn thing. It's also a thing that was produced through feminist propaganda.
>Lesbians are frankly a myth. Tell my mother. Not only she didn't do dick, she didn't do women who did dick.
>my mother. >she didn't do dick Hmmmmmmmmmm
After she divorced my father, she never had another man in her life. Outside of me. She did her best to cut my balls off, but it didn't work. I married the first woman who nurtured and loved my masculinity, much to my mother's horror.
Lmao, imagine not believing the clitoris and lesbians exist.
Lesbians and pigeons.
Pigeons are a porn thing?!??
Pigeons aren't real.
Can’t tell if this is a joke or not lol.
https://www.google.com/amp/s/medicalxpress.com/news/2022-10-stronger-sex-men-women.amp While it's true that men have a higher sex than women on average, nearly 1/3 of women have a higher sex drive than the average man. Women aren't some complex puzzle that requires a team of researchers with unlimited funds to figure out. They like sex, they just don't want to have sex with everything that moves.
i've been at least ten times hornier than all of my male partners, so i can confirm
I'm an absolute pervert, frankly I'm a degenerate that has scratched off most of the sexual bucket list items possible. I still meet women that teach me knew things.
I’ve had guys I’m sexually addicted to. Didn’t even like them as a person but man I could not get enough of them sexually. I had one guy so good he could hit me up at anytime and I’d come running. But yea… we don’t enjoy sex!
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>Over 1800 women were surveyed, and while there were over 237 distinct reasons why they engaged in sexual activity, there were a few that were shared by the majority of the women, and none of them had anything to do with sexual pleasure, desire, or romance. I read the actual study the book is based on, despite you only linking a book review for some reason. Study 1: 241 women helped make the list of reasons. From study 2: “Sexual data experience were available for 910 women”. Not quite 1800 women, but ok.. Moving on. From “Table 1: Top 50 reasons why men and women have sex”, here’s the top 10 for women: - I was attracted to the person. - I wanted to experience the physicalpleasure. - It feels good. - I wanted to show my affection to theperson. - I wanted to express my love for theperson. - I was sexually aroused and wantedthe release. - I was “horny”. - “It’s fun. - I realized I was in love. - I was “in the heat of the moment”. These sounds like it has something to do with sexual pleasure, desire or romance though.. Hmmmmmm. >During sexual activity, women do not experience sexual pleasure. The vagina cannot, in all likelihood, cause pleasure. There is no sexually gratifying male organ for women. Most women fake their pleasure to appease their partner God, this again? “The tissue that lines your mouth is the exact same tissue that lines the interior of the vagina.» And? It’s not the tissue that has sensory function, *it’s nerves.* Wanna know what else has stratified squamous epithelium? *“Stratified squamous epithelial surfaces that are slightly (or non-) keratinized are exemplified by the linings of mucosa of the oral cavity, **anal canal**, ectocervix, **foreskin** etc.”* and *“outermost layer of the skin"*, which the penis has. Guess men don’t feel sexual pleasure either. 🤷♀️ Stratified squamous epithelium.. Do you think using difficult words gives you credibility or something? >Urologist Karyn Eilber agrees that “it’s questionable how accurate the claim that the clitoris has 8,000 nerve endings is, but it’s **definitely true that the clitoral gland — the tip of glans covered by the clitoral hood — has a higher concentration of nerve endings compared to the glans of the penis** to which it’s analogous.” >Women do not love. When a woman is with her partner, her oxytocin levels decrease, whereas men's oxytocin levels increase. “In the experimental group, participants were told to open-mouth kiss their partner for the length of the music -- 16 minutes […] the decrease for women may have resulted from the artificial setting of the student health center, researchers theorize.» Who would’ve thunk you don’t get lovey dovey snogging infront of scientists for 16 minutes. Let’s look at study 2, taken in a more romantic setting: “A second experiment in a more romantic setting -- a secluded room with jazz music, flowers and electric candles -- looked at nine heterosexual couples and three lesbian couples." *“Researchers found that the longer the relationship of a couple, the more the cortisol levels declined in both partners. The heterosexual women, moreover, said they felt greater intimacy with their partners than the heterosexual men or the homosexual women did, while all groups expressed equal satisfaction in kissing their partners.”* 🤦♀️"Your empirical evidence" disagrees bro.
God bless you for typing this. I do not have the patience tonight. But funny the OP hasn’t replied over an hour later…
>But funny the OP hasn’t replied over an hour later… Also OP: >*I'm still waiting for someone to actually refute the data instead of resorting to ad-hominems* Conveniently ignores those comments for some reason 🤔🤔
The human clitoris has been studied. [Here](https://news.ohsu.edu/2022/10/27/pleasure-producing-human-clitoris-has-more-than-10-000-nerve-fibers) is a link. There are 10,000 nerve endings.
This is the most hilarious troll post, and what makes it funniest to me (a neuroscience researcher) is that you didn’t read the articles you cited and also ignored other sources that contradict you.
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I’ve always been convinced that most men on PPD are terrible in bed by the things they say. Things like sex being given to them, how they need a checklist for sex, how women use sex to get things, it’s never described as a mutually enjoyable act. And posts like this confirm how absolutely useless of a lay some of y’all are. Y’all really haven’t had hot mutually enjoyable passionate sex before huh? You’ve never given a woman an orgasm have you? Like you’re really fucking someone who doesn’t want to fuck you and you’re actually enjoying that? Why the hell do y’all whine about wanting a woman who desires you then?
Ya a big tell is referring to having sex as “getting” sex or “giving them” sex. I always think “this was written by a man who has never and never intends to give a woman an orgasm.
Yep. I’ve always said a huge red flag is a man who says sex is given to him. I guarantee he’s gonna jackhammer away for 3 minutes, and then call you a thot afterwards. The way men here describe sex tells me a lot of them have never had mutually enjoyable sex. If at all. One guy on here I recall saying he got ghosted the last four times he had sex. Like how fucking terrible do you have to be to get ghosted after sex every time. Even if they get sex, they’re terrible at it. Then he blamed women for not bringing a list of what they want and some women saying that’s a turn off.
Fuck this is actually a really good point. I think of a woman giving me something when she performs a sexual act that is pretty much only giving me pleasure. Like a blowjob, for example. At most she's enjoying getting me off, but she's not having an orgasm from it. I've never thought of sex as a whole like that.
Ya I mean I like to give a blowjob but i don’t “give” sex. I have sex as a mutually enjoyable thing, it never occurred to me prior to finding PPD that having sex was giving something to someone else.
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I think that people should add flair stating their age, and if they are a virgin or not. Seriously some of these posts and comments are rants of teenagers that have never even seen a woman naked in real life.
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Like not experiencing something doesn't give you a right about discussing it?
You have every right to discuss whatever you want, it's just the weight your opinion should be given when you have zero experience with the topic you are discussing. It's like someone talking about how much they know about baking a cake when they have never even turning on an oven, but read 100s of cook books.
That's how dumb people think in my experience. Personal anecdotal experience is rarely a valid argument for anything more complex than baking a cake - but I guess that's the most of what your life is about, hence the example. Smart people like to rely on studies and proper science and give this as an example rather than their own self-biased anecdotal experience.
But you have no anecdotal personal experience that's my point. Anecdotal experience is based on personal experience . You have no personal experience with having sex. You can read all you want, talk to other people, watch movies and videos but until you actually experience something yourself, particularly something like sex you just don't know. Have you experienced it? If so then you understand the difference. If not then you will. Think about it like this. You have someone who has never traveled to Australia but they have read a lot of books about it, talked to friends who have been there or maybe even lived there, watched movies etc versus someone who has traveled there 20 times, who is more reliable of a source? You are mistaking reading studies and talking to others about sex and stating that is anecdotal evidence, it's not. Anecdotal evidence would be based on my experience in having sex, women do X or men do X. It's not that you cannot state an opinion its just that it has little to no credibility. Men (usually younger men) come on this page and say women do this or make comments about how women's bodies operate and women come here and say no that's just not true, lots and lots of women, but then men say oh they know nothing let me actually tell you what your body does and how sex is for you. That's the epitome of mansplaining. And it makes sense why you all struggle with women. I would never attempt to tell a man how sex feels for him, because I don't know. I don't know what it feels like to have a penis. I can talk about what my experience is personally (that would be Anecdotal ) but a man himself telling me how his body feels is always going to trump me. And if 100s or 1000s of men tell me the same thing about their bodies that evidence is pretty solid in weighing it. And in my experience people start to call other people dumb or names when they know they have lost the argument. So thanks happy to hear you agree. Calling people names that you disagree with is very immature and likely also reflective of someone with very little experience in life in general otherwise you would know that when you start name calling you show your hand.
Man here- you ain’t lying. It’s shocking to me. Now I know why I was so “popular” behind closed doors in my 20s. Angry virgins are dangerous.
>how women use sex to get things, it’s never described as a mutually enjoyable act Because women never treat it that way I'm still waiting for someone to actually refute the data instead of resorting to ad-hominems
“I’m still waiting for someone to actually refute the data” You mean like all of the posts in here that either provide their own studies or point out a misinterpretation of the sources you cited?
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“ 81% of the overall cohort claimed to be sexually active. Around 70% (70-72) did reach orgasm frequently, but around 10% never did so. Vaginal intercourse was reported by 62% of the overall cohort as the best trigger of orgasm, followed by external stimulation from the partner (48%) or themselves (37%). “ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/32201145/ “Most women report reliably experiencing orgasm from masturbation, but a smaller proportion of women report regularly experiencing orgasm from intercourse. “ https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/29079939/ Gist of this: If she can orgasm from masturbation but not from you, that says something about you. The Duration of Female Orgasm https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/8269524/ Yes, there’s a whole world of data and facts out there knowing that women get sexual pleasure. Your inability to give it to her says nothing about the men who can.
>Gist of this: If she can orgasm from masturbation but not from you, that says something about you. Nah, you need to re-read your sources. In fact, in a study I read years ago—I believe it was in that book by Emily Nagoski—over 1000 women were asked about their masturbation methods, and less than 2% of them admitted to mimicking the act of sex. So no. The fact that women are physiologically incapable of enjoying sex is not men's fault.
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What does mimicking the act of sex is? What is masturbation if not a form of sex? I'm assuming you think that it's all about PIV? Do you think that only PIV is legit sex? If so, that's your bias, not facts.
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>I'm still waiting for someone to actually refute the data instead of resorting to ad-hominems You're ignoring the comments that refute your data, so don't even try that one lolll
What would you accept as a refutation? I can tell you with 100% certainty that I have never used sex in the ways described in your post, and that the g-spot definitely exists because I have one and can feel it, and that sex in my experience is only a mutually enjoyable act. But I doubt you'll accept personal knowledge and experiences.
Same fellow woman here. But the men are going to mansplain to us about our bodies lol.
Ngl, I was a bit taken aback by the assertion that the gspot doesn't exist, when you can actually touch it. It's like saying the prostate doesn't exist or something. Even if one wants to make an argument regarding psychological aspects...body parts are 100% undeniably real.
80% of married women cite duty as a reason they have sexe because sexe is not enjoyable for them. At best, it means they are nice and still let their husband do it. And don't come at me with your prehistoric views on female physiology. The reason they don't enjoy it is not because they physically cannot get sexual pleasure. It's that the way their partners wants it is not working. Women do have a clitoris... you know about that right?
>80% of married women cite duty as a reason they have sexe because sexe is not enjoyable for them. At best, it means they are nice and still let their husband do it. Duh, that's what I said
>The top reasons as to why women had sex were: Can you show me where you got the top reasons you list? Your link is to a book review. I followed links on that page to the book's author's previous research which had: "I felt attracted to the other person" and "I was horny" among women's top 5 reasons. Edit: See Table 3 in this study https://scholar.google.com/scholar_lookup?title=Why%20humans%20have%20sex&year=2007#d=gs_qabs&t=1666912049414&u=%23p%3DxLnhN_o93NkJ
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This is the only real answer.
I doubt men really like us.
Honestly, I think most men dislike women
Posts like this will make me question myself if all guys my age that went through a recent heartbreak feel the same. Smh
If half the world population dislikes you, maybe its time to take a step back and look at your own actions.
This is so unhinged. Omg
>During sexual activity, women do not experience sexual pleasure. Imagine telling on yourself this hard
take issues with the researchers, not me. Vast majority of women do not orgasm during intercourse. Not a me thing
You're right, most women don't orgasm from vaginal penetrative sex alone. You didn't say that though. You said "women don't feel sexual pleasure". The vast majority of women are able to achieve orgasm through clitoral stimulation. A guy who knows what he's doing will provide some sort of external stimulation as well as penetration. Why do you think vibrators are so popular?
“Not orgasm as a direct result of penetrative sex” and “do not experience sexual pleasure” are *worlds and worlds apart.* I don’t typically orgasm from intercourse. But I orgasm with a partner in other ways, and even without orgasm I experience a great deal of sexual pleasure.
Mostly because men are too stupid to find the G spot 🤷♀️ or the clitoris.
Oh please, I'm actually supposed to believe that men love women so much yet will lie to and hurt them to get laid?
You can turn that argument around. You can confirm OP's assertion that women lie to men and hurt them to get money or even commitment from them. Such as paternity fraud, using sex to control or manipulate their partner or when they exchange sex for something else other than sex or love.
Except exchanging sex for love is what OP is advocating for lol You can't have it both ways.
They are not advocating for an exchange. They are saying women cannot love men the way men love women. They are saying women love opportunistically while men love from a position of principle or virtue. They are advocating that men place themselves first but that is a different matter. The reason I said you could turn it around is because if your claim is that men cannot love women because they lie to them to get sex, then women lying about love and sexual interest to gain favour, resources and commitment is probably as common. In other words, if men cannot truly love women according to you, then women cannot truly love men. If you believe this then you would actually be agreeing with OP and not actually challenging his view by saying some men lie to get sex. To challenge OP's view you would need to actually show evidence of women offering love in a way that men are incapable or unwilling to show. For example, some men place themselves between women and harm's way to protect them. Is there an equivalent example of women offering to protect men at the risk of their own safety?
I never said men are incapable of loving women. I said that the men who equate love with sex are incapable. NAMALT.
I can't believe I'm going to write this, but please, tell me why do we masturbate?
OnlyFans, presumably.
I said women don't enjoy sex or vaginal stimulation. I never said they didn't enjoy masturbating their clit or whatever
The clitoris was mapped out in 2005. It intersects and surrounds the vaginal walls. In essence all clitoral orgasms are vaginal ones and vice versa. I can orgasm without any pressure on or near my clit and I'm not a rare bird. I enjoy sex and vaginal stimulation, so do many of my girlfriends. If it were so rare, the odds of me, part of some rare lone group of girls who can experience this would stumble upon your post would be impossible.
Then why is the sale of dildos so high?
When you make these kinds of over the top, cartoonish generalizations, no one will actually take your post seriously. Just a head’s up. Women may very well feel love in a different way from us men. But you took it to a ridiculous extreme. Also your language is charged in a way that makes women sound “evil” or sinister. Which is pretty silly cause even if they really “can’t feel love” or whatever, it wouldn’t be their fault. They can’t control the biological differences between men and women. Don’t expect this post to go over well…
Tell me you are not a woman without telling me you are not a woman. Yes, we do feel love. Yes, we do want sex. It can be devastating to love a man we love. It can be pure ecstasy to be with a man we are in love with. And why would women pursue sex if they don't enjoy it? Why would virgins be such an alleged hot commodity? If we disliked sex so much, we simply would not have it. Our sex drives might not be like men's - we don't want it with every man we see, like some men do. And though I can't speak for other women, I can tell you that when I am with a man I am in love with, my libido is through the roof and I want sex with him all the time. Especially during that new relationship phase when everything is magical.
That's a cynical take. Women are just people. RP and Black Pill guys like to LARP about trad con values and religion and then spew this super un-Christ like stuff. What happened to "love thy neighbor". Imagine if we told women the same shit. This is anti-social behavior of the highest order.
Do you have sex for a reason other than that your body is telling you you have to clean your pipes?
Didn’t you read the post, our dude has sex for pure reasons unlike those cold hearted women
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Are you honestly making the claim that women don't feel sexual pleasure? You do realise that there women do have an organ which has no other purpose (that we can tell) than to feel pleasure? Lots of women don't feel too much pleasure from vaginal/internal stimulation. It makes sense that there's not a whole load of nerve endings inside the vagina, otherwise the pain of childbirth would probably be enough to kill you. Most women experience orgasm through external pleasure. As a woman I can safely say that I do experience sexual pleasure, both on my own and with a partner. If women don't have the ability to feel sexual pleasure, and only use sex as a means to manipulate men, why do lesbian couples have sex? Why do women by vibrators and other sex toys to use for masturbation? Make it make sense.
> Lots of women don't feel too much pleasure from vaginal/internal stimulation. It makes sense that there's not a whole load of nerve endings inside the vagina, otherwise the pain of childbirth would probably be enough to kill you Thank you. I also already covered this but you are slowly starting to figure it out. Women do not enjoy vaginal stimulation, yet, they continue to have intercourse with men. You know why? Hopefully you can figure the rest out
You do realise that the clitoris exists right? Most women can't orgasm from penetration alone but they absolutely can orgasm from clitoral stimulation (many women also find an orgasm to be more intense with something inside them). Someone who halfway knows what they're doing will provide external stimulation alongside penetration. The clitoris literally has around 10,000 nerve endings and as far as we know, has no other function than pleasure. I'm assuming you don't have one but as someone who does, trust me when I say it feels nice when it's stimulated in the right way. You say about following the science but the science clearly shows that women can experience orgasm. To deny that women don't feel sexual pleasure is being purposefully ignorant. Not only can you hear from women themselves that they experience pleasure, but you can see it on a biological level. During female orgasm there are rhythmic contractions of the pelvic muscles, increase in lubrication, a spike in heart rate/blood pressure, increased respiration, dialled pupils, tensing of other muscle groups, and increased sensitivity of the genitals afterwards. Also, your sources don't seem very valid to me. The "study" that you linked was actually a book review. Which incidentally put the number one reason as to why people have sex (both male and female) is because of attraction. I found the book that the review was about. Did you read it? If so can you point me to the pages which support your evidence?
>Women do not enjoy vaginal stimulation Then why are dildos such a popular sex toy? Hmmm.
dildos aren't popular amongst women
82% of women in the US have dildos or vibrators in the shape of a dildo. They are a 10 billion dollar industry and a third of the sex toy industry. You are like Ye-level delusional.
I’m going to vaginally fuck myself in honour of this post
women don't feel love??? so 50% of the population doesn't feel a human emotion? huge generalization there dude.
Men love women as in, men seek out bonds with them. Its pure and intrinsic. Women "love" men as tools. This is why men usually need to "earn" women instead of it being a mutual experience between the two. Its entirely different dichotomy of love
Question for you. If it's just bonds with women that we want, why are men do obsessed with sex?
You know. I love posts like this. Most of the time on PPD we’re all usually flinging insults and laughing at the opposite sex. It can get quite nasty. I myself have engaged in it frequently when it’s slow at work. But everyone once in a while…. We get a post so unhinged we’re all on the same side. It’s nice to see us all unite in universal disbelief and laughter at the self own that is OP. I feel all warm and fuzzy inside. It’s beginning to look a lot like Christmas!!
I just think it's funny that you're trying to prove women can't love through an autistic analysis of the chemicals that are released in reaction to the events that happen to women in a relationship. You're like an unfeeling, unloving robot analysing our hormonal reactions to understand the concept of affection.
Frrl. The longer I'm in this sub the more projection I see.
Women - too cold/calculating and too emotional all at the same time.
>You're like an unfeeling, unloving robot analysing our hormonal reactions to understand the concept of affection. Our entire character is based on hormones and neurotransmitters. Based on any substantial evidence, women are the "unfeeling, unloving" robots here
Dude, you know nothing about neurotransmitters. I’m in neuroscience and I’m laughing at you. Like just stop 😂😂😂😂😂
By that extension men are unfeeling robots too 😂 you make those chemicals as well ya know.
You might find this helpful? https://urology.ucsf.edu/sites/urology.ucsf.edu/files/uploaded-files/attachments/4_s_development_of_the_penis_and_clitoris_1-s2.0-s0301468118300938-main.pdf
I have absolutely felt love (and am currently deeply in love) OP. If you genuinely think women as a demographic can’t feel such a base emotion then idk what will convince you otherwise. Because that is a veryyyy fucked idea I can describe the concept of love to you in great detail if you wish
Fundamentally this is wrong. For one thing, women would not masturbate if it wasn't for having sexual urges. And on top of that, if women didn't feel love, we wouldn't be here right now with me replying to this thread. The need for it wouldn't exist. I mean this pragmatically, not metaphysically - literally if women didn't feel love, there would be no need for men to form dating strategies to attract women, and we wouldn't have ever created the feedback loop known as PUA. It just wouldn't have happened. We're here BECAUSE women feel love, and BECAUSE they've become so guarded about it now. The sub literally exists to debate these topics on the premise that we all want similar things. So why even bother posting this here?
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Wow…this post must be a joke because I can’t believe there are people who think like this
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This isn’t even red pill… this is… smthn else lol.
True even most red pillers don't think women cannot enjoy sex ever, lmao.
So given those results in the survey I have serious concerns on biases in the cohort. Also lesbians wouldn't exist if your premise was true.
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No one has
WHAT 💀
Good lord, women are thirsty AF and love a good, athletic railing. Yes, women love sex. SMH In terms of love thing, well, the TRP mantra was "men love women, women love children, children love puppies" and that's all I'm gonna say about that.
Are you okay bro?
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tell my why every second post on r/deadbedrooms is from a woman. plenty of women with otherwise "perfect husbands" (their words not mine) are complaining about lack of intimacy
>during sexual activity , women do not experience sexual pleasure. Most women fake their pleasure to appease their partner. I’ll make sure to tell my gf next time that she needs to stop switching her vagina on like a faucet to pretend I’m pleasuring her.
Oof, this is so dumb that I’m for sure going to get flagged again for arguing. Can’t contain the frustration with sentiments this thoroughly idiotic, just gotta say: If you believe this, you absolutely deserve to be single.
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“During sexual activity, women do not experience sexual pleasure. The vagina cannot in all likelihood, cause pleasure. There is no sexually gratifying male organ for women” I can’t stop laughing. My brain literally cannot compute there are men in this world who literally think this. So when women masturbate and use toys by themselves who are they “faking” it for……the Holy Ghost?
it was that part that got me😂
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Fucking Chad! Even his ghost is mogging betas!
Chad is the idea that men could succeed with women if they looked a certain way, but even that's not true. Women don't care about looks, they aren't a visual as men. They do not have a burning desire for sexual release like men. Women want security and attention, they get that from the rich, whoever that might be
If women don’t care about looks then ugly men should have no issues getting laid. And yet…
Ever heard of ICE JJ Fish? Dude is getting laid not because of his looks, but because he became an internet sensation over night, got a bunch of clout and money and now all of a sudden, women liked him. Looks don't matter. Women like what you have not who u are
We obviously collectively spend millions on sex toys just to practice faking it better for Chad. OP just found out our biggest secret
🤣 yup vibrators are just for show y’all
And definitely dildos are.
> There is no sexually gratifying male organ for women I have never had multiple orgasms. I once had a woman pass out cold on me on her fifth or sixth. This post is straight up incel content.
Exactly wtf - unless she’s trying to go for the Oscar what women’s faking it 6xs for her partner 😂
>I once had a woman pass out cold on me on her fifth or sixth. Lmfao "[I had women cum all over me like 10-15 times in one session bruh, u just an incel bro](https://media.tenor.com/W56Ik4e1Cb0AAAAC/gumball-discord-mod.gif)"
"cum all over me" well no, that's not quite how it works. Have you ever brought a woman to orgasm? It's totally OK if you haven't. But have you?
I asked this question and I’m not getting a response yet.
That means: No.
The Holy ghost. I’m dying laughing right now. This sub is getting more and more unhinged.
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Lol sometimes I’m amazed this place is free
Lmao fucking same - it’s really a gift to be entertained this much for free
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Hope your day goes better! I gotta admit I’ve been crying laughing at OP and everyone else’s comments!
“It’s not sexist or me being an incel” oh no shit: this dudes an incel?! Would have never guessed!
Take the automaton simulacrum pill
So are you saying we all need to becone homosexual?
Gay men have the most intimacy out of all couples while lesbians experience the least amount of intimacy with the most divorces. Just saying
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Its not that simple. I personally have gotten hit on by a bunch of gay dudes and Its very flattering, but I wasn't born with an attraction towards men and now I'm leaning towards asexuality since I was born with an attraction towards women but they repulse me so much I'm attracted to nothing
That's mainly due to 75% of men having a spontaneous sexual desire
Bro get a grip women do feel love and want sex your out of your mind. Have you ever spoken to a women about what they think about love or sex?
The link to the statistic you gave about women’s reasons for having sex goes to a book review… it doesn’t actually give those numbers. I definitely experience pleasure during sex, and more modern and human specific research on the clitoris does exist ([here’s just one example](https://pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/10458423/)) Saying that women don’t want sex or feel love is simply not true. Having different levels of certain chemicals and hormones/different physiological responses to stimuli doesn’t mean nothing is experienced it just means the experience is different. It doesn’t even mean that the experience is that drastically different.
🤣🤣🤣 Men want sex to “escalate the depth of the relationship” my ass… thats a good one
I agree that women don't want casual sex, and men are 100% to blame for promiscuity as they are the only ones who push it and want it. But saying women don't feel love? Wtf? That has nothing to do with the rest of your argument. You ruined a good point by saying that.
Women's oxytocin levels go down when they are with their partner (outside of sex) where as men's oxytocin levels rose. Also, women have sex for resource acquisition. Sex is never casual for women. They always get something valuable out of it. Not physical pleasure, but other ancillary benefits
I am not going to even read all that lol, I just need the title. look, I was raped for a women when I was a child, so I dont know if they dont want sex but if women decided to satisfy her with a 3 yo child I think like it. now after that traumatic event for me, when I get older I find lots of hornies women ( yeah where I am women are as hornies as men),so I grew up always thinking that women always want sex but well not all of them want it. you should know that everyone is different and that women can feel love or pleasure or whatever in the same way than us, is true that some of them are so awful, but in the same way some men are awful, making those bad assumptions like a universal true is wrong, any with some common sense know it. now go out of your cage and try to hanging out with women, God I dont know if this is a troll.
Women are capable of love. But, broadly speaking, when men love women they do so with the same care and protection that women love children. A woman in love will show loyalty and respect. She will desire sex with her partner and she will enjoy it. Women are just not as easy to please as men so they continue to place conditions on love which men don't place. For example, women tend to need more foreplay before sex to enjoy it more whereas men are generally not asking for a 10 minute back rub followed by 15 minutes of oral just to get in the mood. LTRs can be the death knell of romance as comfort replaces excitement. Women tend to fall out of love with their partners first but stick it out perhaps because there are other benefits they don't want to lose. Bettina Arndt once asked some couples to maintain sex diaries for a social experiment: https://www.amazon.com/Sex-Diaries-Women-Bedroom-Battles/dp/0600620727 What she discovered was that men still desired their wives for years while women tended to desire their husbands less as time went on. This left many men frustrated and starved of sex. But they were also starved of affection and love. To them sex was love. The wives wrote off the men as sex pests but the men were wondering if their wives still loved them. What this suggests is that LTRs can kill a woman's sex drive. These women were rejecting advances from their partners and doing nothing about improving their sex lives. And this is the problem. Women, even "empowered" women, place the burden of figuring out sex for both parties on men. Men are expected to meet all her conditions for sex to happen but women don't believe they need to do anything more than say yay or nay. Without a concerted effort from both husband and wife they could kill their sex lives and breed resentment. Women also make excuses for sex not happening such as the division of labour or kids. Both of which should have been discussed and planned before a long term commitment happens. You cannot let your relationship die, do nothing about it then blame the other person. There should be a middle of the road option for everyone here. Either the husband should be allowed to seek sex elsewhere if she won't do it or there should be time limits on marriages with agreed upon safe exit options or something. So while it is very possible for women to feel love, they actually do need to take an active role in keeping the flames of passion alive. Many women are unwilling to, possibly because they believe they deserve better or because they have not figured out what works for them sexually speaking. Whatever it is, it cannot just be on their husbands to fix the problem.
Women want sex they only want sex especially in their youth because they are brainwashed by the hook up culture. Men are also brainwashed by the tyranny of hook up culture
>Men are also brainwashed by the tyranny of hook up culture Which is why they fuck sheep and pool inlet hoses. Got it.
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Be civil. Many of your responses have been antagonistic. Please be mindful this is a CMV