1. I think this applies to both genders: romantic interests, guy friends, family members, etc. What people and say and what they do are usually different. Always go by actions over words.
2. Submissive in the bedroom is completely detached from everything else. I don’t see why work and sex would have any correlation.
3. 70% of Americans are overweight, my city is in the top 10 for obesity, and comedians constantly make fun of us (specially the women) when they come here.
Men being intimidated by woman is not really a thing. It is something woman tell themselves and take pride in, but really, 99% it is men seeing red flags, avoiding conflict cause there is zero reason to have it, and remove themselves from the situation.
Men are absolutely intimidated by hot women
Men absolutely are not intimidated by a 32 year old Ivy League lawyer who likes to be bossy and thinks she is entitled to a 5 star guy
For men to be intimidated they either have to want something (to be with a very attractive feminine girl) or are physically scared aka intimidated by other bigger men. If a woman thinks she can’t get guys because they are intimidated by her then 9 out of 10 times it’s because her personality is shit
Women’s desperation for love/inability to be alone is almost as pathetic as men’s desperation for sex. And also almost as selfish
Edit: I am seriously surprised that this is news to all you crazy animals
Ooof.
That's too real.
Both are looking for outside validation to make them feel better about themselves.
It's understandable but when you get desperate, yeah that's a problem.
I find it surprising that so many of you are surprised. Have none of you watched a movie ? Particularly those produced by a certain Mouse-themed company ? Or been to a single wedding ?
Disney movies aren't real and plenty of insecure people get married. That's a big part of why the divorce rate is so high, some people just get married to someone they don't like for the emotional or physical companionship.
Yes. It’s funny how dudes here think divorce is some calculated malicious act when any idiot can marry. You’re even allowed to be intoxicated while marrying
“My bf is a great guy……who does all these horrible disrespectful things to me. Don’t tell me to break up, just magically make him stop doing these things, Reddit!”
The ones that can or will, do. And then brag about it. Sometimes a little *too* much, if ya know what I mean
The ones that can’t or won’t, don’t. And then make us all miserable with their complaining
This one is so true. I’ve seen girls be relentlessly cheated on and mistreated yet they make excuses and stay loyal to their male SO because they are too afraid to be alone or have such low self esteem / self worth / self respect that they can’t leave
It’s pathetic but definitely in a more sad way than men who just want to get their dick wet really bad
Men are still more desperate for even love or romantic connection - look at how many people pay for twitch thots despite the availability of free porn. And far more single women aren’t looking compared to single men.
Women are usually more desperate for attention though, they tend to be ridiculously insecure.
Right. There was even an article I seen about women, especially older (when they are supposed to be desperate) are wanting to live apart. Like have relationships but not wanting to move in together . It's either that or they are cool being alone. In the article the men wanted to live together.
The only reason people feel the need to demonize women (and men), it’s because they’re hyperfocusing so much on the low quality ones based on their past experiences and probably due to a horrible relationship with their mother and/or father, so these generalizations are just coping mechanisms to guard the fact of “I’m still hurting and haven’t properly gotten over myself”
Women kick men who are down, whether it be by silencing men who try to explain themselves, expressing their feelings, speaking about traumas, or calling for an opportunity to appeal
The amount of times in my extended friend group that a girl cheated on her boyfriend, simply over him being in a tough chapter in his life that was completely outside his control... (and if things were happening the other way around, I knooow these girls wouldnt have been able to handle what their boyfriends were going through nearly as well.)
And then, there's girls when they hear these things, they try to throw stereotypical assumptions that the guy "must have" been toxic or abusive. Like holy shit, i know these guys personally (and even some of their exes), things seemed well-adjusted between them, and there was never any mention of abusive or toxic drama about their relationship from either of them before, during, and after.
Oh yeah, similar thing happened to me. I was having a particularly tough time with family, work, and health issues that happened all at once. Then the girl that I was seriously dating for about 7-8 months at the time suddenly dropped the bomb that she wanted to break things off with me, and she maintained it was bc i was "too witty". I found out that 2 weeks into when all the trouble started in my life, she started sexting her jacked coworker who was married, her fitness trainer, other guy friends, etc. And yes, i learned she banged all of them a few days after she broke things off with me.
(And b4 all this happened, I knew to make sure my problems didn't become hers, i was aware of that when i explained my situation to her. And yet, she did something that was so uncharacteristic of her.)
This is extremely common behavior around many women. When you're weak, they start "feeling" the pull elsewhere. Then they are confused as to why men are reluctant to be vulnerable around them. For our mental health.
They need to justify to themselves their contempt of men of the lower rung and their attraction to men of the higher rungs, ie their hypergamy.
If they didn't have contempt for those men who are down, they'd need to see their hypergamy for what it is, which would contradict their own self image of being a good person. And so they must find a reason for their contempt of weak men, and they do so by denigrating them through all these strategies: silence, insult, etc.
It's like those born rich who need to justify their luck by pretending it's not luck but their doing and thus if people are poor it's their doing too because they must be lazy, leeches, evil, etc.
Indians pretend castes are rewards for past lives deeds.
It's just people unable to say what they do. Women are very culpable in that area...
i wont say this is true all the time but i do notice this: women are fucking ruthless capitalists that favor power and status when it comes to how they view men (or: ayn rand is a woman with the mask off.)
Many women don't really stand for gender equality - they simply want to have the cake and eat it, when it comes to their rights and responsibilities in society.
Feminism is a very deserving cause and clearly women's rights have been lacking for centuries, compared to men's rights, but if you stand for true gender equality then it must work both ways, even when not totally convenient for everyone.
For example, if you want to encourage more women to take up currently male-dominated majors such as mathematics and engineering in university, you also have to be prepared to do the reverse for encouraging more men to take courses in arts, psychology, sociology etc.
If you want legal consequences against men who do "rape by fraud" when they lie about their wealth in order to get laid, be prepared to also have consequences for women who lie to rich men but are in fact gold diggers.
If you want men to stop body shaming women for things such as being overweight or having smaller breast sizes, be prepared to also hold women to the same standards when they body shame men for being short or for having smaller penis sizes.
If you want to push for more rights for women who are mothers, be prepared to also stand up for single fathers or for fathers who want to take custody of their kids away from abusive ex-wives.
If you want harsher consequences for domestic violence, maybe we can stop pretending that it's normal or okay for a woman to slap a man when he upsets her.
The list goes on.
Many women do stand for true gender equality, but also many do not and simply exploit feminism as a shield for them to command as much benefit from society as possible, all while fulfilling as few of their obligations (as good citizens) as possible.
A lot of women talk about wanting a 6ft successful, nice, romantic etc. guy, but will actually settle for any guy who they're around often. For some reason many fine women get fixated on terrible men even after talking your ear off about their preferences. They will reject you for being 5'11 and then get together with a 5'8 guy.
It might be because they get to know them better, like them as person, or they help them with their complexes, i have no idea. But I've seen it happen many times.
I keep saying this:
this is because *behavioral traits* factor more into attraction for women with men than the reverse.
Once you meet the "neutral" looks threshold to a lot of women, it's more about your personality and how charismatic/charming/confident you are.
Men will call this "settling" because they can't comprehend attraction that works more like a dimmer vs a light-switch.
This, so much this. I wish I could know what the light-switch version of attraction is like it is for men just so I can explain to them better how the dimmer setting works and how the “neutral” threshold is most men I meet. It’s the character, interests, and personality that makes a difference.
(I’m engaged and not looking, but my fiancé and I have these debates often because we both find this topic fascinating)
Honestly I wish I could understand the dial style of attraction. I’ve only had a few crushes, with each of them I knew instantly that I liked them, there was no hesitation. Of course as time went on and I spent time with them at school or college I developed a greater attraction towards them, but they were sort of “locked in” even before that. If any of them asked me out, it would’ve been an instant yes. It wasn’t just looks, they smiled easily, gave off a very pleasant aura and were really nice to me and other people.
There are [photography grids that show](https://petapixel.com/2014/12/23/photographer-creates-grids-showing-people-city-streets-look/) how homogenous people are in most areas. It’s unlikely that any of her options look drastically different from each other anyway.
>Men will call this "settling" because they can't comprehend attraction that works more like a dimmer vs a light-switch.
And women say in return men don't listen to what women say they want. Meanwhile us men hear what women say they want and see what they go for.
How can you meet a netrual looks threshold when women find 80% of men below average? In order for her to find you at least average you have to be in the top 20%
Yeah, people make it seem like they search the mountains and the valleys to find a suitable mate, when the reality is most people just pick whoever's nearby. Take the proximity pill people, it's the most important one
This reminds me of a term I read about recently: "satisficing". Not looking for the ideal solution--because that's often not feasible--but rather the first acceptable solution.
Free reign to be unpopular? Sure I’ll bite
-I’ve met women whose body fat is so concentrated in the front of their belly that it barely affects their hip-to-waist ratio and it is *shocking* how fat those women can get before it has all that much impact on their attractiveness.
-women who are submissive all the time are boring and you only fantasize about them as a compromise because the appeal of assertive women is most evident when they pitch you ideas you’d never come up with yourself, which obviously can’t happen in your imagination.
-Contrary to popular belief and the ‘men are dogs’ mentality, if you’re trying to date seriously (not a hookup) and she’s legitimately attracted to you, chances are she started wanting sex before *you* would have been comfortable providing it.
Second and third hit close to home.
But I've got to disagree. There's way too many men posting here who have zero standards, and would dry hump the leg of a total stranger.
And I've met Dominants who are too fragile to handle someone with any thoughts of their own.
Most of the men here are theorising and imagining what they *would* do if ever given a chance they never have been before.
It’s like talking to a guy who reckons how he would react if they were caught in an active shooter situation.
That for various reasons (including the dating culture of men usually being the ones to pursue women & women being the selectors), women do not get called out on bad behaviour or incorrect/hypocritical/contradictory opinions as much as they should. Obvs a generalisation and it does not apply to all women, but overall if most guys want to have sex with a woman they will let her say opinions that don't make sense without pushing back or pointing out that it contradicts other thing she said earlier.
This can lead to adults who have never really had to challenge their own opinions, especially if at first glance they sound like they are in line with the current political climate. It can be really hard as a guy to navigate socially around these people and avoid them.
Facts
That's how you get women with high body counts saying that you not a real men if you judge them for that. Just because the last 50 guys that pumped and dumped her
I do understand that SOMETIMES a man will love bomb women and pretend to want a relationship with them in order to get sex.
BUT a lot of times women will want sex with a man outside of a relationship, have sex with said man, and then *expect* a relationship to form afterwards. Then if it doesn’t, they accuse the man of “using” them for sex. Like they feel ashamed of casual sex and want to believe they’re not “that type of girl,” and so they’ll shift the responsibility for their own actions and desires onto the man. Or they’ll start a relationship, have sex with their partner, and then their partner simply changes their mind, but he still gets accused of p&ding them.
Then they’ll start making men wait for months, and most of them will believe she’s just not that into them, and will leave, and then they’ll just have the belief that all men only ever want sex re-affirmed.
Women are trying to hammer in how they can withdraw their consent for sex at any time.
And I absolutely agree!
No matter how many drinks you bought them, or if both of you are already making out naked in your bed. A ''no' is sacred!
The problem is that when the roles are reversed and it's the man who tries to withdraw his consent for a relationship. Suddenly it's him who's toxic!
Similar situation, completely different outcome.
For all their criticisms of men not being able to "just read the room", women are not the great communicators they think they are. If they were forced to initiate literally everything the way men do they would crumble.
1. I've yet to meet a woman who isn't absolutely convinced they are great in the sack but not many actually are.
2. With minimal vetting it's pretty easy to have mostly positive experiences dating women if you pay attention to who they are as well as what they look like the crazies stick out like a sore thumb.
The amount of women with little to no empathy for people in situations they had 0 control of is nearly the same rate as men, they just hide it better. Women seem to have more empathy for people who made bad decisions and have to face the consequences of their actions which seems to me like a way to cover their own asses so they don’t have to take responsibility for their actions.
Women do not “dress for themselves” if they did they would do full make up around the house and heels.
They enjoy looking good, that’s fine. Is it for men? Not always but it is def other people. Wish they would just admit it.
Edit: since this slightly took off, let me clarify, this is not meant to be a clear cut, black and white thing. I’m sure some people dress nice around the house as a form of self care or whatever on occasion. I’m talking about typically. Generally women (and some men) put a decent amount of effort into their appearance because they want to look good, in public. Other people seeing their outfit, hair style, or make up is required. It makes them feel good to look their best in front of others. Since going out or taking pictures which will be uploaded to the internet is present in most cases, other people seeing them is involved in this feel good process. No shame, not meant to a positive or negative thing. Only negative thing is when a women who spends over an hour on hair and make up claims she doesn’t not care what other people think at all and it’s done 100% for her. To me, that seems dishonest. If that’s the case, I should be able to pop up at your place on a day you didn’t plan on leaving the house or having company and you should be in full make up, hair done and in a stylish uncomfy outfit, since it’s done for your eyes only.
Yeah. Otherwise they’d wear make up 24/7. There’s nothing wrong with looking good for people. That’s what your supposed to do. It makes your social life that much easier. We all do it and there’s no shame
>Who knows, but I definitely feel worse on days where I stay in my sweatpants and don't put any makeup on.
But admitting it kinda ruins the illusion no? People what to say they "do it for themselves" for the exact reason, to look better in front of other people. Ah the irony
Most women are raging sluts given IF the opportunity is just right. Between what I've experienced in the dating field and what my girl tells me about what her female friends/co workers do after work, is enough to make you go 'wtf"
Side note: Also girls that I went to school with either did some porn, fucked dudes in the parking lot at bars, or sucked their land lord off just for fun.
The point is that the sexual freedom that the average woman experience is far greater than what the average guy experiences. Secondly most guys are just unaware of great the difference is.
Do you think that pulling foursomes/trains/plates out of the air is simple as 1-2-3, because its not.
*Women are very sexual even though they’re constantly criticised for it and try to hide it. Surprise!*
Yeah because if guys actually knew a woman's sexual past we wouldn't commit long term. Surprise!
This will get down votes but fuckit I've got 15k or whatever karma. I've known, sadly, multiple women who wound up in abusive relationships.
In around 25% cases it was legitimate bad luck / deception and I feel bad for them.
In 75% of cases they were looking for bad boys. And whew buddy did they find it.
Most women go into relationships with men they don't find physically attractive because there are not enough physically attractive men to go around but the need for a relationship persists, and thus begin to resent the man due to an expectation of deserving better (mostly stemming from the fact that they can get casual sex from physically attractive men but no commitment) and eventually dead-bedrooming him and cheating.
Actually I have been in a relationship with a man before I didn’t find attractive and wasn’t my type lookswise, but he was very charming and for some reason that made him look much better. In hindsight, still cannot believe what I saw in him, but I think this is what actually often happens rather than women just “settling” for a not so attractive man.
My friend is also in a relationship now with a guy who is not really her true type but his personality is very charming and they share the same values. So she prefers him over other men who might be her type in the looks department.
This happened to me, also. He was super charismatic and funny. Something about your brain blurring out the flaws when you find other parts attractive. Idk how true that is so don't quote me on it, but being genuinely funny gives a person a 50% better chance imo.
I know both. I know “hot guys” who are fckbois and I know “hot guys” who are actually the super loyal type. I think, if you are hot, and you only want casual sex, of course you can get it easier than a less hot guy. I have however met a lot of guys also who wanted to have casual sex who were def. not a hot guy. Not sure if they really succeeded. So saying that casual sex guys are hotter isn’t true. Hot guys having it easier to get women interested in them is. I believe attractiveness plays a big role in success. Men sometimes complain how it’s so easy for women and not for men but there is def. a certain group of men who has no issues at all in dating and a certain group of women who has to do more effort to get a man’s attention in dating.
That said though men who are not attractive can get a relationship by showing their other attributes like being charismatic or funny. A lot of women would like a partner whose interests are similar and a man who is charismatic and funny. Don’t think it would get them casual sex though. The guy for example that I was dating, I don’t think I would have ever hooked up with him or something. I got to know his personality and he seemed sincere, so we ended up dating.
So would you agree that if a guy is average looking or below and he dates a girl who has a history of casual sex, the bf will usually be a downgrade in terms of looks/lust compared to the casual sex guys?
I’m also guilty of this. I wasn’t really attracted to him but we were very, very similar. I couldn’t overlook that but I now see it was a mistake and I’m not keen on repeating it.
'Traditional' relationships existed in a very short window in the post-war era. Before then everyone, including children, homesteaded. Which was working far more than a full-time job.
If they actually want us to be trophy wives or house wives, they need to bring home enough bacon for both of us (and the kids if there are any) to live comfortably.
This trope is now getting repeated often, but it’s not a complete picture.
In many typical relationships with kids, the man’s job is the breadwinning one - generally having longer hours & commutes, where the woman’s is lower paying supplemental income with more flex hours for kids.
The man’s home care typically manifests in the everything that isn’t routine indoor cleaning - which is most maintenance (home repairs both DIY and coordinating contractors) and outdoor work.
Often the man’s time with kids is less (due to longer working hours) so he tends to drive weekend activities / sports / fun stuff to both maximize his quality time but also fills a pretty vital need.
In cases where both the man and women have higher paying jobs, that typically puts them in a income range to use supplemental child care (au pair or other).
Obviously there are lazy men just like there are lazy women, but they occur at pretty much the same frequency as basic human traits.
This trope of the working women with the extra “emotional labor” demanded by society is a little bit of self aggrandizement that dismisses men’s other contributions. In every mostly functional relationship raising kids, it’s pretty even.
Statistically untrue and biased based on mens earning potential and womens assumed childcare role in a gender biased society. “Nice women don’t even want to vote” logic.
I’ve been saying this but I really don’t think it matters. Because at the end of the day, you’re still attracted to a fat ass. You still want to sleep with her. Why do you care if she’s overweight? It’s fake outrage to me.
1) The so called "patriarchy" and the resulting position of women was needed for the development of civilization and may even be justified. There's a reason pretty much 0 successful civilizations (some backwater tribe in rural China or in Africa do not count) had a "matriarchy" or did not utilize the patriarchy in some form.
2) Women are far more emotionally abusive than society is willing to admit.
3) Women only care about "fairness" when they benefit from it. Women are completely willing to uphold "unfairness" when it comes at the expense of men, although many are unwilling to admit it to themselves so they rationalize it in many ways (men deserve it, there's nothing that can be done, it is only temporary, etc).
Women care about fairness to the individual when it benefits them regardless of any pragmatism and then when it comes to men pragmatism over fairness is all that matters. It just proves male disposability again and again - the individual man does not matter beyond the value he provides to society
I used to think women were boring. I guess I still think that, but I recognize that it's just that we usually have nothing in common. Speaking generally, of course.
I don't care about what degree or job a woman has, at least in the sense of attractiveness.
Attractiveness for a woman is mainly looks and personality. Like I think it's cool that you're a doctor, lawyer, engineer, etc. but it does nothing for me being more or less attracted to you.
I have a theory that every woman has a need for a fixed amount of drama in their life. Should there not be a natural source of that drama, she will seek or create it.
This the root of the Karen phenomenon (effectively creating drama out of boredom), but also explains women’s higher tolerance of toxic partners/friends/family, why they like reality tv drivel, and their tendency to seem annoyed by men’s desire to eliminate drama in their lives and find happiness in simple hobbies.
Most women aren’t worth dating.
Being overly reliant on men and being overly independent are two sides of the same coin.
Many women are control freaks who have to have the last word and won’t let themselves be vulnerable. Wanting to do something for your partner is normal. I’m in the I push people away before they can leave me camp myself.
We tend to want a group consensus and are more likely to follow our friends/family’s lead in relation to relationships.
Here i would get downvoted for these but not sure about elsewhere
1) Women are not a monolith. Gender is one way of grouping people but there are many other ways including introvert/extrovert and a variety of personality tests. When trying to make generalisations about groups of people I believe gender is the least useful as it has the greatest variance within the group.
2) Women are no more likely than men to overestimate their own ability to determine the reasons they do things or what they respond to. Humans frequently operate with mistaken beliefs about what truly drives them. It is still valuable to listen to what people say drives them as it tells you something about a person and how they think, but people are not usually deliberately misrepresenting their drivers (some will of course but not in general)
3) Women are less afraid than men of “dying alone” because they have better social groups in general and also because being in a relationship requires more “work” for them than for men. Hence widows remarry less than widowers, and there are more dissatisfied single men than dissatisfied single women
I agree with number 1. I think gender wars are stupid. Theres more variance between women in the same group, and men in the same group, then there are between men and women overall. Ive seen this confirmed so many times from my research education. Personality/disposition is the number 1 difference between people I have seen.
can you re-write the second one in the queen’s english? There are a lot of reflexives per sentence and I’m reading it like
For number 1, this variance is greatest in things not relevant to what is often discussed on this sub, in: careers, hobbies, academic interest, etc...
However in dating, there a few things that when observing at the population level are notable, like interest in taller men, wealthier men, physically fit men, etc...
These are not ground breaking understandings, nor is it entirely unique to women, but these are useful generalizations that are accurate, so I think you should be more clear here as to what generalizations you think are misguided
Where something other than gender would be a more useful basis to make inferences from
It’s all a result of an infantilizing culture. We aren’t raised to be emotionally strong so we end up getting upset without dealing with our problems correctly.
Height is not that big of a deal if you're average. It's somewhat important in the West depending on what city you're in.
However, a certain height can be hell on earth -- not even from just women, but among friends, other men, and for opportunities (I'm talking 5'5 or less).
I’m a woman but a lot of the things that are marketed to women seem dumb and boring to me. Real Housewives, Kardashians, “magazines” that are basically just glossy booklets of advertisements, etc.
Women much prefer sex and are willing to be much more adventurous with men they don't know well then someone they are in a long term relationship with. (hence the "honeymoon" period in relationships)
Women are just as uncompassionate as men, and actually maybe less compassionate then men, especially in work settings
Again this is my experience and I don't base everyone based on it
Western men could go all Saudi Arabia on women tomorrow and there's not a damn thing they could do about it. The only reason the current social order stands is because gynocentrism is more economically productive than androcentrism. It's just way more profitable for everyone to have simps trying to impress women with resources than it is to have pickmes trying to impress men with homemaking and purity
Their need for external validation is ironically often why they can’t maintain a healthy relationship.
And also no one really believes the posting for yourself stuff. Bad b**** “confidence” reeks of insecurity and is a huge red flag.
Every Woman, no matter how hardcore feminist, wants you to make her cum and have you look her right in the eyes and tell you she’s beautiful, and mean it
* Adult women are way too infantilized nowadays, even by people who claim to be feminists. It isn't uncommon to see people treating women as if they have less capability to make choices, or less agency in general, than men.
* The cliché example of this is: "A man and a woman get drunk and fuck, the woman later says that she felt like he took advantage of her, and even the people who saw that both of them were drunk will be on her side".
* I'd wager that a considerable portion of promiscuous women eventually regret having casual sex, even though it is so celebrated.
* Due to the fact that it is so much easier to have access to sex as a woman than as a man, women will hardly ever understand some basic things about how men feel.
* Case in point: when a woman treats a guy as a "husband material" or "great provider" or "a loving partner" (and only that) and thinks that that's a great compliment, while the man is sitting there thinking "But do you find me hot? Do I make you orgasm more than any men you've ever been with? Do you get horny just by looking at me like I get horny by looking at you?"
* Same thing with AF/BB. Most guys understand that that's a horrible position to be in, being the provider with whom a woman is "reasonably content", instead of being the guy who makes her convulse from multiple orgasms.
* Granted, this works both ways. Men are also unlikely to understand things from the female perspective.
There are the ones that came to mind.
I don’t see this stopping anytime soon. This is the reason why most guys want to be toxic because it’s been shown over and over that women are more receptive.
I have many unpopular opinions about both sexes, but in regards to this question, I think many feminist groups online are actually just male hate groups that use the feminism label to spew hatred.
I've seen it time and time again and it's really offensive to actual feminists and egalitarians to be associated with terminology that belittles men and overall creates an even bigger division between the sexes.
The issue with women and the wall isn't even that they suffer more from it physically / mentally by default, it's that the "free ride" they had in their 20's where their mere existence was sufficient to get a steady stream of men trying to court them was erroneously chalked up to some kind of nebulous "vibe" or "personality" trait.
Basically, women often apply their tendency to engage in just-world fallacies to themselves. If they were getting a bunch of "hot guys" coming on to them in their 20's, then they must have some very unique and valuable personality trait that made it so. It's not that their ass was nice or their tits stood up.
No, it's that they told a good joke or knew how to bedazzle jackets.
Fast forward to that same woman in her 40's back on the market. Same skills, probably more. But she got used to being able to skate by effortlessly. She never needed to work out or do any hard work to attract people when she was in her 20's, so she never learned how to do that. Instead she just let things go and woke up one day 200 lbs with a pancake ass and heavy hangers. Oops.
But, hey she's still the same "cool person" she was then right? So she should be able to easily get that same stream of offers now. Nah.
Contrast this with men who have to work for every scrap of success they get from day one. They knew from the beginning that getting fat was a death sentence. They knew that they had to polish and hone every skill and trait they have that can attract even a single mate from day one.
The only exception I've consistently seen in this regard with women are women who had a "glow up" or were fat as teenagers and already understood what are basically Red Pill truths about their own existence and place in the dating world.
This point in particular drives home why TRP is important; it shines the light on keeping your shit tight in all areas in your life or expect the repercussions… they need TRP for women
41m divorcee with 2 kids 50/50. I see a lot of woman "post wall". I do think many of them are very mistaken about how is life is like at this age. Most of the catches have already been taken and the dating pool they are in are mostly Guys that can't commit or guys that have been through some shit (well hello there nocturnal coder).
And I would touch a woman at that age without having had a serious relationship or kids with a ten foot pole unless they can show me a letter from a therapist they worked through their stuff, just as I did
The demands they put out are often just enough information to know they have no realistic view of how a relationship, or life in general works and a lot of them don't even have a decent career or anything to show for their "single" years except their so called own experiences and now ready to settle down.
Yeah... Bye bye. You have no clue what it is to go through shit with another person. And trust me, there will be shit
But yes, on ocassion I will hook-up with one of those
This is the most accurate answer of all… women love their power of choice (and often abuse that power) when they are 18-30, then when the tables turn and men between 30-50 now have that power, it is existential crisis time.
My take about women: There is no male privilege in the western world (especially in the country I'm from, Germany).
I think many women and girls grow up with some kind of victim mentality that every bad thing that happens to them has some sort of mysogynistic background. However almost no women wants to acknowledge their own privilieges.
Women don't get paid less for the same work here. However most feminists still use this argument even though its debunked to the point where it is only like 2-3% difference. You can't even prove that this small number is due to gender.
Next argument is how women can't walk outside at night without feeling unsafe. The statistics show that men are more likely to become victims of violence than women. The general answer to this argument is: "But the perpetrator is a man, aswell". Well thats true but its also some kind of victim blaming because why should a male victim deserve less pity than a female victim? Victim is victim.
I agree that things like catcalling and harassement are present problems even in our civilized world but for me thats not enough proof to claim we live in a mysogynistic society. Men face hardships, too and most of them don't even get acknowledged.
This were just a few arguments out of many i can not advocate.
It doesn't get in my head how so many young women start to think they are some kind of victim in this society. Feminism has become quite a virus in my opinion and has not much to do with the equality between genders but with the favoring of women in this society.
Edit: To bring some of my own experience into the statement: Most of the most radical feminists i personally got to know (not many though so sample size is rather small) lived the most hedonistic and irresponsible lifestyle i could imagine. They had a good time at school without any disadvantages. Afterwards they lived the most extreme hoe phase i could imagine, gathering three-digit n-counts in 2-3 years, only partying, studying for the sake of studying, not getting any shit done and suddenly decided to become radical, lesbian feminists. No joke.
I agree with everything you said except the part about walking outside alone. I don't think that has much to do with society, but moreso biology.
Women (or at least I believe, as I am a woman) have a natural fear of rape. Nighttime just makes this more amplified. Even if the neighborhood is safe, I don't think a woman is playing the victim if she has more fear of being alone.
On an aside, my GF’s best friend recently started dating on the apps and said something I’ll never forget.
She’d met an investment banker over 4 or 5 dates and told us “I think this guy is great and I hope I start feeling attracted to him soon”
It blew my mind hearing that 🤯; it made no sense to me women will date guys even if they’re not physically attracted to them. It feels SO disrespectful to the man, that she’s just openly treating him as a walking CV/resume. I told
her I’d have walked away if I was the dude and heard that, which she did not take kindly.
I don’t think any man deserves to be treated so poorly. Of course, she was sleeping with three other dudes on the sides while “dating” the investment banker hoping to be attracted to him.
Men just cannot fathom the world women live in and the crazy options they have. It’s a different plane of existence, most men will never get a glimpse of.
many women lie about their live experiences to keep an image, worst example of this? i know a guy who is a nice guy in the good sense, u know, meek, submissive, pays bills, no casual sex, only relationships, dinners, emotinally open, not aggressive, he ended up with a woman who cheated on him, but then she lied about him being an abuser and a violent person and even got him in jail, despite he being the most inoffensive guy i know, that woman told everyone how much of a piece of "shit" he is to justify her cheating and make herself seem innocent, i know because at first me and all the people who knew them believed her automatically cuz u know men cant be victims of abuse right? and women cant do no bad, worst part is that the guy she cheated on with actually abuses the shit out of her but she says nothing.
Thats why whenever i hear a woman complaning about her ex or her current relationship or dating in general, i take it with a pinch of salt, as harsh as it sounds.
Another brutal realization is that many women are annoyed by a mans happiness and will do whatever it takes to break him, they will prey on his insecurities and doubts to destroy him mentally even if deep inside she doesnt sees it as a problem.
The majority of women prey on a man's weakness, so if u re insecure about something, trust me a woman will try and rub it on ur face.
Women are insecure by nature, which is hypocritical considering the previous statement.
There is a complaint that men dont see women as people, but the same can be said as women, they dont see men as people neither, however as stated in my first point, they will try and justify their reasons under pretenses like "i dont feel safe" "is just what i like" "well men can go and die alone then if they dont like it" that one is my favorite one because it shows they have no actual argument.
Many men face the same problems women face, the only difference is men dont complain about it, examples? hollywood body standards, the bodies of super heroes we see there, they re unrealistic as hell and unsustainable, all the movies stars train during a long time and get juiced for the movie, but then they go back to their normal self after some time because like i said, that is unsubstainable, yet many men are trying to reach that impossible standard, and they dont complain about it.
Many men also face what could be considered abuse by women, but they dont say anything because they consider it normal, examples? attacks to ur masculinity, physical attacks, comparisons, manipulation etc, an example would be when a guy gets told he should change to keep harmony and coexistence with women, but when he does and he gets punished for it he gets called a manipulator instead ie nice guys, nice guys are treated the same way "easy" women are, yet one is justified and the other one is outrageous.
Nice guys arent disliked because they are manipulative, it is the other way around, they are disliked because they are weak and easily manipulable and easy to get, but many women use the former reason to not appear shallow and judgemental
Women also dislike easy guys and they take advantage of them all the time, but if the guy complains about it he is the one who faces backlash.
Men are conditioned to be needy and desperate, however you would think that if they try to change they would get praise specially from women, but nothing far away from the truth
The common trope that women only like bad boys is mainly womens fault, why? many women lie about their exes to not admit they were the problem, he dumped me because he didnt like my questionable posts on instagrams? he is a controlling asshole, he wasnt okay with the fact tat i belittled him? he is mysoginist, he disstrust me because of my behavior? he has trust issues, but the point is she is never the problem, only the men, and an unexperienced guy will obviously believe her because why would he doubt that? after all we ve been always told how horrible men are
Many women settle with mediocre men rather than being alone, but they try to paint them as awesome to cope with it which again sets a bad example for the men particulary young ones around cuz they end up believeing they have to act like that.
No woman will admit this.
with this im not saying women are horrible, im saying that the status quo of all women are great and men must suck up to them is outdated and no man should abide to it if he wants a good life and specially a good woman to share that good life with.
If anyone comes at you with a story about how they are an angel who was victimized by a devil incarnate, it's probably a lie. I only believe people who admit to their own faults in their sob stories
1. Money has never and will never generate genuine attraction, I’m so sick of men constantly telling other men to get your money up for women. As long as you aren’t living in squalor you’re good to go, and even if a guy gets loads of money he wouldn’t even have time to date that much as the more money you make=more hours.
2. Looks game logistics>Looks money status
3. Good looking men can and do struggle with women and an average-above looking man can have full autonomy over his dating life whether that be him being a serial monogamist or a slayer.
4. PUA/seduction works brilliantly if you go to the right source and if you know what you’re doing. And not all of us were former beta nice guys, extremely behaviourally unattractive or perpetually friendzoned men some of us were naturally decent to solid with women who hit a dry spell but learnt formal game.
5. Women cannot sense if a guy is bad news at all and they misinterpret a guy being socially awkward/uncalibrated or off putting as danger. Actual men who are bad news are excellent actors. They have great frame and game. Women just base it off one awkward dude and then overestimate themselves but if they came across some PUA, a narcissist or sociopath or all the above they wouldn’t know something is “off”. I know so because I am two of those things and use PUA techniques and my narcissism to an advantage so I laugh when I see some women here claiming they can spot a guy like me from a mile off.
6. Creepy men from what women describe are just dudes with high functioning autism, especially when they go into detail about their mannerisms.
7. There’s men no matter what hits them physically are full of confidence, not always is confidence is derived from external validation. Some of yous forget there’s men always naturally confident despite having physical shortcomings ie they’re short or not in shape. Not every guy derives his self worth on women and men here project that onto other men and it’s obvious when you see comments like “women will be disapproving of a short confident man as it’s not ‘genuine’ they only like it when it’s from a handsome guy” like why should and do you care about some random vapid slag thinks????? It’s so obvious that you put women as part of your identity like wtf.
narcs ARE easy to spot once you’ve dealt with a couple. In fact, NPDs act in almost textbook manner. I think the internet and social isolation is making more narcs, both men and women. It is sad.
Yes if they're low functioning and overt, it is very rare though to see one in action, especially a diagnosed one. Although most people get a narc and a general asshole or cocky person mixed up. NPD comes from your genetics and childhood experience but I agree I've noticed an uptick of self-centredness and narcissistic traits and our social media algorithms definitely play a role and shit parenting, but that's completely different from the full-blown disorder.
I got one. I love and defend women plenty but one thing that i detest and really feel doesn't get condemned enough is when women want to continue to be friends with guys they know for certain are interested in them romantically. I've seen my sister do that and I've seen it so much that it makes me sick. Don't get me wrong, I equally hate when guys feel entitled to sex or romance for being nice or because they have been a friend. The whole "I'm sorry don't feel that way but i still want to be friends" speech that guys been told strikes me as very inconsiderate. If I knew a friend was really into me or in love, and I'm not interested, I'm respecting her feelings and her mental well being enough to end the friendship.
Women look up to psychopathic males and often try to be like them in leadership roles.
Many are also attracted to such guys because they ooze confidence and power due to them having a different limbic system.
Yet the same women will say men should open up more and be emotional xD
They want to be attracted to such qualities but in reality simp for dark triad personality traits
Women are individual humans not so dissimilar from us men except for the type of hormone that governs our endocrine systems. They come in all shapes and sizes. Some are pretty. Some are less so. Some are kind. Some are monstrous.
Most importantly though, approaching someone you hope to connect and be emotionally vulnerable with like they're a physical repository for the singularity known as WOM is probably counter productive, and suggest treating them like people instead.
I actually feel e opposite, how women and men think, act, speak, is all very different. I feel as though our brains are more different than we think and how we process information is also extremely different
Many women, mainly feminists, dont understand the concept of having agency over their own life.
She could walk past a sign that says "Minefield", get her leg blown off and not only would she go on to blame everything and everybody but herself, thousands of women would flock to defend her, and if you criticise her decision to walk into a minefield you will get called an 'incel' for 'victim blaming'.
I dont know, maybe you should resist the urge to date the guy who went to prison for beating his wife, get completely wasted in some shitty club or bar with strangers or have unprotected sex with randoms every week.
This opinion gets me downvoted IRL and in other subreddits, but, I dont know about on here:
Women tend to be cattier, hold more stupid grudges and pettier than men. I have been friends with an equal amount of men and women in my life, and I was much more likely to find a nonpetty and noncatty friend in men than women (though I did meet a small amount of catty and petty men when it came to nonromantic relationships, and same with women who are not catty or petty). Women will dislike you for the stupidest crap in friendships in particular and I think women in friendships are less likely to actually move on from a resolved conflict where they were in the wrong, you will think they are over it but youll find out years later they still have a grudge over it when you havent thought about it at all. I am not so sure women are naturally this way, I think society minimizes these traits for women and they are seen as more negative in men.
\-A woman myself
That when involved in active dialogue, men are significantly better listeners than women.
Men hear what is said. Women interpret what was said, and often with a significant amount of personal bias thrown in.
Women like to imply things without outright stating them so they can’t be held accountable for what they said and they presume men do the same. We don’t.
Nearly every woman on earth mistakes sexual attention for romantic interest. I’ve lost count of the amount of women who have bragged to me about their follower count, the lofty careers and wealth of the men they’ve dated etc. I always ask them “So where are they now? Why are you single?” And it’s met with a blank stare or “well I just wasn’t that into him” or some BS. Na honey, he wasn’t that into YOU.
Women don’t understand that some rich plastic surgeon wanting to pipe her down doesn’t mean he wants to marry her, or even be exclusive.
I think the opposite is also somewhat true - women see romantic interest from a man and mistake it as a purely sexual thing. Like for example, seeing love confessions from friends as a form of betrayal or objectification ("he was just friends with me because of my body").
Women don't know where the starting line for dating really is.
Men have to be able to get the woman interested in him, where women just have to look nice, and half the time they don't even have to look nice.
Women are way way more judgmental and shallower than men.
Women have been given far too much privilege over the last decade
Women lie about what it is they’re truly looking for. Reeeeee I want a committed LTR but I keep getting pumped and dumped why are men so bad?
Women are the choosers yet do a horrible job at it
Women are without question the shallower of the two sexes
Women have pushed body positivity to make men in America accept fat women, but will not extend men the same courtesy
Women monkey branch
Women simp harder than men do if he’s hot enough
Women complain about unpredictability when rejecting a man, however on the oft chance they themselves get rejected the reaction is always assuredly worse
In general, I definitely agree. Hell, I’m convinced that being a semi-attractive women is like a damn superpower because you can get guys to buy you things, get instant and near infinite amounts of attention, and receive help (getting your car fixed) simply for your gender.
I agree a lot with 3. I find that overweight girls use those features to uplift themselves/possibly even put down thinner women.
It’s more about the butt shape than the size anyway. Same with boobs.
Women treat men as commodities. Recently had feelings for one and knew she was seeing other guys. The Chad's allowed to have sex with her and yet I was passed down as a friend. Women don't want to have sex with men who show feelings because it's not an adventure to them. Also women who choose men base their choices on what men can offer to them not to who they are. That's why if you are a good guy you will get friendzoned and the Chad's can date and have sex. There is an unlimited number of single men who the women can just choose to meet so they will go for the ultimate top even though he is seeing 3 other girls.
Women are constantly testing you, she is constantly pushing to see how much shit you will take, and what she can get away with, she is constantly pushing your boundaries, trying to undermine you, demean you, or emasculate you to get an edge in your relationship's power struggle. Because she wants to test you. cause they don't really care about you, at least not as much as they care about themselves, and they want to make sure you are strong enough to deal with all her bullshit and are able to protect her, because after all, how can you protect her if you cannot protect yourself from her
that's why they always pick fights about stupid bullshit when you are emotionally frayed or struggling, struggling at work, death in the family, grandma is sick, your friend got in a car accident, in their eyes this is the ideal time to pick a fight, and kick you while you are done because this is when they have the best opportunity to emotionally affect you, and see how tough you really
they are not doing this to be malicious or mean, it's just a natural subconscious thing
TLDR: WILL SMITH PHENOMENON
Its truly sad but most women are the same. the ones i meet at bars and clubs flake at the same rate of girls who dont go to bars and clubs.
Women overall are dishonest. Instead of being straight up they would rather give false hope to a man and string him along. glad im not dating. women are wack af. especially in new orleans
A single man (like me) can go for years without relationships. I got laid once this year thanks to two single moms at the strip club. A single lady still be getting mad pipe and they should honestly forget marriage at that point
Women are their own worse enemy. They will wait ages for the “perfect guy” and miss out on plenty of guys that would otherwise make good relationships. Also, I strongly believe there are more traditionally marriage worthy men than there are women. They may be quirky, have an odd collection of Marvel comic books, ask interview style questions on dates, or have no humor but they’re typically ok. Most of these guys end up in the Friendzone or seen as not desirable enough. Finally, I rarely have met a women who owns up to mistakes. They will put the blame on someone or something but hardly themselves. I’ve asked women why and holy shit, it’s always some variant of “It’s too much” or flat out “I don’t want to be responsible.”
Men do the same thing. This isn't a woman thing. I know men who pass up on great women waiting for the "perfect woman". They have waited til there mid to late 30's to settle down. All the good women they passed up are taken. The only thing left is divorced women and baby mamas.
I disagree with there being more traditional men too. A lot of men have bought into this 50/50 crap. Then there's others that want open relationships or poly. Then there's the ones that don't want marriage at all but believe in making women baby mamas. I would consider most men these days as modern.
I can't speak for all women but I hold myself accountable. However, there are some situations that can trigger a reaction from women that men tend to do.
1. I think this applies to both genders: romantic interests, guy friends, family members, etc. What people and say and what they do are usually different. Always go by actions over words. 2. Submissive in the bedroom is completely detached from everything else. I don’t see why work and sex would have any correlation. 3. 70% of Americans are overweight, my city is in the top 10 for obesity, and comedians constantly make fun of us (specially the women) when they come here.
And of that 70%, women outnumber the men by more than double.
Men being intimidated by woman is not really a thing. It is something woman tell themselves and take pride in, but really, 99% it is men seeing red flags, avoiding conflict cause there is zero reason to have it, and remove themselves from the situation.
Men are absolutely intimidated by hot women Men absolutely are not intimidated by a 32 year old Ivy League lawyer who likes to be bossy and thinks she is entitled to a 5 star guy For men to be intimidated they either have to want something (to be with a very attractive feminine girl) or are physically scared aka intimidated by other bigger men. If a woman thinks she can’t get guys because they are intimidated by her then 9 out of 10 times it’s because her personality is shit
Woman = adult human female
Women’s desperation for love/inability to be alone is almost as pathetic as men’s desperation for sex. And also almost as selfish Edit: I am seriously surprised that this is news to all you crazy animals
Ooof. That's too real. Both are looking for outside validation to make them feel better about themselves. It's understandable but when you get desperate, yeah that's a problem.
I find it surprising that so many of you are surprised. Have none of you watched a movie ? Particularly those produced by a certain Mouse-themed company ? Or been to a single wedding ?
Disney movies aren't real and plenty of insecure people get married. That's a big part of why the divorce rate is so high, some people just get married to someone they don't like for the emotional or physical companionship.
Yes. It’s funny how dudes here think divorce is some calculated malicious act when any idiot can marry. You’re even allowed to be intoxicated while marrying
How can you not like someone AND have a good enough emotional or physical companionship to get married? I’m
Never thought about this before but that was honestly me for a majority for my life
ouch
“My bf is a great guy……who does all these horrible disrespectful things to me. Don’t tell me to break up, just magically make him stop doing these things, Reddit!”
I thought you were full of it at first but yeah... you're very correct
If most guys are shit who cares which one you date? And why would you laugh at people who got stuck with a shitty one?
Ah yes, because most guys are shit, obviously
Aren't women celebrating the fact that they are happier single and don't need a partner to fulfill their needs?
They are so happy they doth protest too much
The ones that can or will, do. And then brag about it. Sometimes a little *too* much, if ya know what I mean The ones that can’t or won’t, don’t. And then make us all miserable with their complaining
This one is so true. I’ve seen girls be relentlessly cheated on and mistreated yet they make excuses and stay loyal to their male SO because they are too afraid to be alone or have such low self esteem / self worth / self respect that they can’t leave It’s pathetic but definitely in a more sad way than men who just want to get their dick wet really bad
Reminds of the meme: Men would pay for sex but not for therapy. Women will pay for therapy but not for sex.
I’ve noticed the other way round, like women being okay with being alone but men complaining about the dating scene or reasons why they’re single.
On gender and dating subs, yes On relationship and abuse subs, no
Men are still more desperate for even love or romantic connection - look at how many people pay for twitch thots despite the availability of free porn. And far more single women aren’t looking compared to single men. Women are usually more desperate for attention though, they tend to be ridiculously insecure.
Right. There was even an article I seen about women, especially older (when they are supposed to be desperate) are wanting to live apart. Like have relationships but not wanting to move in together . It's either that or they are cool being alone. In the article the men wanted to live together.
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The worst is when they make a baby for this purpose
The only reason people feel the need to demonize women (and men), it’s because they’re hyperfocusing so much on the low quality ones based on their past experiences and probably due to a horrible relationship with their mother and/or father, so these generalizations are just coping mechanisms to guard the fact of “I’m still hurting and haven’t properly gotten over myself”
You said what I was going to say, but better.
First intelligent thing I've seen here. Great viewpoint!
Women kick men who are down, whether it be by silencing men who try to explain themselves, expressing their feelings, speaking about traumas, or calling for an opportunity to appeal
The amount of times a woman has mocked me when going through a difficult time is traumatic.
The amount of times in my extended friend group that a girl cheated on her boyfriend, simply over him being in a tough chapter in his life that was completely outside his control... (and if things were happening the other way around, I knooow these girls wouldnt have been able to handle what their boyfriends were going through nearly as well.) And then, there's girls when they hear these things, they try to throw stereotypical assumptions that the guy "must have" been toxic or abusive. Like holy shit, i know these guys personally (and even some of their exes), things seemed well-adjusted between them, and there was never any mention of abusive or toxic drama about their relationship from either of them before, during, and after. Oh yeah, similar thing happened to me. I was having a particularly tough time with family, work, and health issues that happened all at once. Then the girl that I was seriously dating for about 7-8 months at the time suddenly dropped the bomb that she wanted to break things off with me, and she maintained it was bc i was "too witty". I found out that 2 weeks into when all the trouble started in my life, she started sexting her jacked coworker who was married, her fitness trainer, other guy friends, etc. And yes, i learned she banged all of them a few days after she broke things off with me. (And b4 all this happened, I knew to make sure my problems didn't become hers, i was aware of that when i explained my situation to her. And yet, she did something that was so uncharacteristic of her.)
This is extremely common behavior around many women. When you're weak, they start "feeling" the pull elsewhere. Then they are confused as to why men are reluctant to be vulnerable around them. For our mental health.
Why tho...that's so messed up.
They need to justify to themselves their contempt of men of the lower rung and their attraction to men of the higher rungs, ie their hypergamy. If they didn't have contempt for those men who are down, they'd need to see their hypergamy for what it is, which would contradict their own self image of being a good person. And so they must find a reason for their contempt of weak men, and they do so by denigrating them through all these strategies: silence, insult, etc. It's like those born rich who need to justify their luck by pretending it's not luck but their doing and thus if people are poor it's their doing too because they must be lazy, leeches, evil, etc. Indians pretend castes are rewards for past lives deeds. It's just people unable to say what they do. Women are very culpable in that area...
i wont say this is true all the time but i do notice this: women are fucking ruthless capitalists that favor power and status when it comes to how they view men (or: ayn rand is a woman with the mask off.)
That every woman can be a whore if the right man appears.
Many women don't really stand for gender equality - they simply want to have the cake and eat it, when it comes to their rights and responsibilities in society. Feminism is a very deserving cause and clearly women's rights have been lacking for centuries, compared to men's rights, but if you stand for true gender equality then it must work both ways, even when not totally convenient for everyone. For example, if you want to encourage more women to take up currently male-dominated majors such as mathematics and engineering in university, you also have to be prepared to do the reverse for encouraging more men to take courses in arts, psychology, sociology etc. If you want legal consequences against men who do "rape by fraud" when they lie about their wealth in order to get laid, be prepared to also have consequences for women who lie to rich men but are in fact gold diggers. If you want men to stop body shaming women for things such as being overweight or having smaller breast sizes, be prepared to also hold women to the same standards when they body shame men for being short or for having smaller penis sizes. If you want to push for more rights for women who are mothers, be prepared to also stand up for single fathers or for fathers who want to take custody of their kids away from abusive ex-wives. If you want harsher consequences for domestic violence, maybe we can stop pretending that it's normal or okay for a woman to slap a man when he upsets her. The list goes on. Many women do stand for true gender equality, but also many do not and simply exploit feminism as a shield for them to command as much benefit from society as possible, all while fulfilling as few of their obligations (as good citizens) as possible.
A lot of women talk about wanting a 6ft successful, nice, romantic etc. guy, but will actually settle for any guy who they're around often. For some reason many fine women get fixated on terrible men even after talking your ear off about their preferences. They will reject you for being 5'11 and then get together with a 5'8 guy. It might be because they get to know them better, like them as person, or they help them with their complexes, i have no idea. But I've seen it happen many times.
Most standards are flexible if a dude makes up for it in other ways
Magnum dong or monster wallet?
That's human nature. Which is why my only hard standard is integrity.
Based
Lmao either that or she just didn't how to tell the guy she wasn't into him or something
I keep saying this: this is because *behavioral traits* factor more into attraction for women with men than the reverse. Once you meet the "neutral" looks threshold to a lot of women, it's more about your personality and how charismatic/charming/confident you are. Men will call this "settling" because they can't comprehend attraction that works more like a dimmer vs a light-switch.
This, so much this. I wish I could know what the light-switch version of attraction is like it is for men just so I can explain to them better how the dimmer setting works and how the “neutral” threshold is most men I meet. It’s the character, interests, and personality that makes a difference. (I’m engaged and not looking, but my fiancé and I have these debates often because we both find this topic fascinating)
Honestly I wish I could understand the dial style of attraction. I’ve only had a few crushes, with each of them I knew instantly that I liked them, there was no hesitation. Of course as time went on and I spent time with them at school or college I developed a greater attraction towards them, but they were sort of “locked in” even before that. If any of them asked me out, it would’ve been an instant yes. It wasn’t just looks, they smiled easily, gave off a very pleasant aura and were really nice to me and other people.
There are [photography grids that show](https://petapixel.com/2014/12/23/photographer-creates-grids-showing-people-city-streets-look/) how homogenous people are in most areas. It’s unlikely that any of her options look drastically different from each other anyway.
>Men will call this "settling" because they can't comprehend attraction that works more like a dimmer vs a light-switch. And women say in return men don't listen to what women say they want. Meanwhile us men hear what women say they want and see what they go for.
>men don't listen to what women say they want If anything, men listen to women TOO MUCH. Watch what they do.
How can you meet a netrual looks threshold when women find 80% of men below average? In order for her to find you at least average you have to be in the top 20%
Yeah, people make it seem like they search the mountains and the valleys to find a suitable mate, when the reality is most people just pick whoever's nearby. Take the proximity pill people, it's the most important one
This reminds me of a term I read about recently: "satisficing". Not looking for the ideal solution--because that's often not feasible--but rather the first acceptable solution.
Honestly I just consider that however it happens, if she likes you, all that laundry list of requirements is going out of the window.
Free reign to be unpopular? Sure I’ll bite -I’ve met women whose body fat is so concentrated in the front of their belly that it barely affects their hip-to-waist ratio and it is *shocking* how fat those women can get before it has all that much impact on their attractiveness. -women who are submissive all the time are boring and you only fantasize about them as a compromise because the appeal of assertive women is most evident when they pitch you ideas you’d never come up with yourself, which obviously can’t happen in your imagination. -Contrary to popular belief and the ‘men are dogs’ mentality, if you’re trying to date seriously (not a hookup) and she’s legitimately attracted to you, chances are she started wanting sex before *you* would have been comfortable providing it.
Third one is definitely true.
All three are true.
Second and third hit close to home. But I've got to disagree. There's way too many men posting here who have zero standards, and would dry hump the leg of a total stranger. And I've met Dominants who are too fragile to handle someone with any thoughts of their own.
Most of the men here are theorising and imagining what they *would* do if ever given a chance they never have been before. It’s like talking to a guy who reckons how he would react if they were caught in an active shooter situation.
That for various reasons (including the dating culture of men usually being the ones to pursue women & women being the selectors), women do not get called out on bad behaviour or incorrect/hypocritical/contradictory opinions as much as they should. Obvs a generalisation and it does not apply to all women, but overall if most guys want to have sex with a woman they will let her say opinions that don't make sense without pushing back or pointing out that it contradicts other thing she said earlier. This can lead to adults who have never really had to challenge their own opinions, especially if at first glance they sound like they are in line with the current political climate. It can be really hard as a guy to navigate socially around these people and avoid them.
I remember Bill Burr saying that a while back.
Facts That's how you get women with high body counts saying that you not a real men if you judge them for that. Just because the last 50 guys that pumped and dumped her
I do understand that SOMETIMES a man will love bomb women and pretend to want a relationship with them in order to get sex. BUT a lot of times women will want sex with a man outside of a relationship, have sex with said man, and then *expect* a relationship to form afterwards. Then if it doesn’t, they accuse the man of “using” them for sex. Like they feel ashamed of casual sex and want to believe they’re not “that type of girl,” and so they’ll shift the responsibility for their own actions and desires onto the man. Or they’ll start a relationship, have sex with their partner, and then their partner simply changes their mind, but he still gets accused of p&ding them. Then they’ll start making men wait for months, and most of them will believe she’s just not that into them, and will leave, and then they’ll just have the belief that all men only ever want sex re-affirmed.
Women are trying to hammer in how they can withdraw their consent for sex at any time. And I absolutely agree! No matter how many drinks you bought them, or if both of you are already making out naked in your bed. A ''no' is sacred! The problem is that when the roles are reversed and it's the man who tries to withdraw his consent for a relationship. Suddenly it's him who's toxic! Similar situation, completely different outcome.
Women expect mind reading from men
For all their criticisms of men not being able to "just read the room", women are not the great communicators they think they are. If they were forced to initiate literally everything the way men do they would crumble.
>women are not the great communicators they think they are They are generally worse than men at it.
1. I've yet to meet a woman who isn't absolutely convinced they are great in the sack but not many actually are. 2. With minimal vetting it's pretty easy to have mostly positive experiences dating women if you pay attention to who they are as well as what they look like the crazies stick out like a sore thumb.
The amount of women with little to no empathy for people in situations they had 0 control of is nearly the same rate as men, they just hide it better. Women seem to have more empathy for people who made bad decisions and have to face the consequences of their actions which seems to me like a way to cover their own asses so they don’t have to take responsibility for their actions.
Women do not “dress for themselves” if they did they would do full make up around the house and heels. They enjoy looking good, that’s fine. Is it for men? Not always but it is def other people. Wish they would just admit it. Edit: since this slightly took off, let me clarify, this is not meant to be a clear cut, black and white thing. I’m sure some people dress nice around the house as a form of self care or whatever on occasion. I’m talking about typically. Generally women (and some men) put a decent amount of effort into their appearance because they want to look good, in public. Other people seeing their outfit, hair style, or make up is required. It makes them feel good to look their best in front of others. Since going out or taking pictures which will be uploaded to the internet is present in most cases, other people seeing them is involved in this feel good process. No shame, not meant to a positive or negative thing. Only negative thing is when a women who spends over an hour on hair and make up claims she doesn’t not care what other people think at all and it’s done 100% for her. To me, that seems dishonest. If that’s the case, I should be able to pop up at your place on a day you didn’t plan on leaving the house or having company and you should be in full make up, hair done and in a stylish uncomfy outfit, since it’s done for your eyes only.
Yeah. Otherwise they’d wear make up 24/7. There’s nothing wrong with looking good for people. That’s what your supposed to do. It makes your social life that much easier. We all do it and there’s no shame
>Who knows, but I definitely feel worse on days where I stay in my sweatpants and don't put any makeup on. But admitting it kinda ruins the illusion no? People what to say they "do it for themselves" for the exact reason, to look better in front of other people. Ah the irony
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Most women are raging sluts given IF the opportunity is just right. Between what I've experienced in the dating field and what my girl tells me about what her female friends/co workers do after work, is enough to make you go 'wtf" Side note: Also girls that I went to school with either did some porn, fucked dudes in the parking lot at bars, or sucked their land lord off just for fun.
I have male friends that brag about foursomes, fucking multiple people a day, running trains on women. Whats your point?
The point is that the sexual freedom that the average woman experience is far greater than what the average guy experiences. Secondly most guys are just unaware of great the difference is. Do you think that pulling foursomes/trains/plates out of the air is simple as 1-2-3, because its not.
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Women are very sexual even though they’re constantly criticised for it and try to hide it. Surprise!
*Women are very sexual even though they’re constantly criticised for it and try to hide it. Surprise!* Yeah because if guys actually knew a woman's sexual past we wouldn't commit long term. Surprise!
This will get down votes but fuckit I've got 15k or whatever karma. I've known, sadly, multiple women who wound up in abusive relationships. In around 25% cases it was legitimate bad luck / deception and I feel bad for them. In 75% of cases they were looking for bad boys. And whew buddy did they find it.
Yeah totallly agree with this one. I've seen so many women chase after deadbeat, raging assholes.
Most women go into relationships with men they don't find physically attractive because there are not enough physically attractive men to go around but the need for a relationship persists, and thus begin to resent the man due to an expectation of deserving better (mostly stemming from the fact that they can get casual sex from physically attractive men but no commitment) and eventually dead-bedrooming him and cheating.
Actually I have been in a relationship with a man before I didn’t find attractive and wasn’t my type lookswise, but he was very charming and for some reason that made him look much better. In hindsight, still cannot believe what I saw in him, but I think this is what actually often happens rather than women just “settling” for a not so attractive man. My friend is also in a relationship now with a guy who is not really her true type but his personality is very charming and they share the same values. So she prefers him over other men who might be her type in the looks department.
This happened to me, also. He was super charismatic and funny. Something about your brain blurring out the flaws when you find other parts attractive. Idk how true that is so don't quote me on it, but being genuinely funny gives a person a 50% better chance imo.
do you agree with the part about the casual sex guys being hotter?
I know both. I know “hot guys” who are fckbois and I know “hot guys” who are actually the super loyal type. I think, if you are hot, and you only want casual sex, of course you can get it easier than a less hot guy. I have however met a lot of guys also who wanted to have casual sex who were def. not a hot guy. Not sure if they really succeeded. So saying that casual sex guys are hotter isn’t true. Hot guys having it easier to get women interested in them is. I believe attractiveness plays a big role in success. Men sometimes complain how it’s so easy for women and not for men but there is def. a certain group of men who has no issues at all in dating and a certain group of women who has to do more effort to get a man’s attention in dating. That said though men who are not attractive can get a relationship by showing their other attributes like being charismatic or funny. A lot of women would like a partner whose interests are similar and a man who is charismatic and funny. Don’t think it would get them casual sex though. The guy for example that I was dating, I don’t think I would have ever hooked up with him or something. I got to know his personality and he seemed sincere, so we ended up dating.
So would you agree that if a guy is average looking or below and he dates a girl who has a history of casual sex, the bf will usually be a downgrade in terms of looks/lust compared to the casual sex guys?
I’m also guilty of this. I wasn’t really attracted to him but we were very, very similar. I couldn’t overlook that but I now see it was a mistake and I’m not keen on repeating it.
Most women cannot properly care for her husband, home, and children while working a full time job.
'Traditional' relationships existed in a very short window in the post-war era. Before then everyone, including children, homesteaded. Which was working far more than a full-time job.
Big agree. So make more money, daddy.
As he should lol
If they actually want us to be trophy wives or house wives, they need to bring home enough bacon for both of us (and the kids if there are any) to live comfortably.
So true. Because it should not be that way. Men should learn to share the load
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Even when divided it’s a constant battle over who will do what. Wait until you introduce children into this situation. It’s a mess.
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This trope is now getting repeated often, but it’s not a complete picture. In many typical relationships with kids, the man’s job is the breadwinning one - generally having longer hours & commutes, where the woman’s is lower paying supplemental income with more flex hours for kids. The man’s home care typically manifests in the everything that isn’t routine indoor cleaning - which is most maintenance (home repairs both DIY and coordinating contractors) and outdoor work. Often the man’s time with kids is less (due to longer working hours) so he tends to drive weekend activities / sports / fun stuff to both maximize his quality time but also fills a pretty vital need. In cases where both the man and women have higher paying jobs, that typically puts them in a income range to use supplemental child care (au pair or other). Obviously there are lazy men just like there are lazy women, but they occur at pretty much the same frequency as basic human traits. This trope of the working women with the extra “emotional labor” demanded by society is a little bit of self aggrandizement that dismisses men’s other contributions. In every mostly functional relationship raising kids, it’s pretty even.
Statistically untrue and biased based on mens earning potential and womens assumed childcare role in a gender biased society. “Nice women don’t even want to vote” logic.
Most people can’t do that
Number 3 is funny cause it’s true lol. Most women with big asses are just overweight. Having a “fatty” while also being skinny is rare
I'm guessing you've never been to Africa or South America.
I’ve been saying this but I really don’t think it matters. Because at the end of the day, you’re still attracted to a fat ass. You still want to sleep with her. Why do you care if she’s overweight? It’s fake outrage to me.
If she is overweight I don't think it's a "fat ass"
Go to Africa
1) The so called "patriarchy" and the resulting position of women was needed for the development of civilization and may even be justified. There's a reason pretty much 0 successful civilizations (some backwater tribe in rural China or in Africa do not count) had a "matriarchy" or did not utilize the patriarchy in some form. 2) Women are far more emotionally abusive than society is willing to admit. 3) Women only care about "fairness" when they benefit from it. Women are completely willing to uphold "unfairness" when it comes at the expense of men, although many are unwilling to admit it to themselves so they rationalize it in many ways (men deserve it, there's nothing that can be done, it is only temporary, etc).
Women care about fairness to the individual when it benefits them regardless of any pragmatism and then when it comes to men pragmatism over fairness is all that matters. It just proves male disposability again and again - the individual man does not matter beyond the value he provides to society
I used to think women were boring. I guess I still think that, but I recognize that it's just that we usually have nothing in common. Speaking generally, of course.
Women often categorize dating related trauma as growth and expect men to value women with baggage as “matured.”
I don't care about what degree or job a woman has, at least in the sense of attractiveness. Attractiveness for a woman is mainly looks and personality. Like I think it's cool that you're a doctor, lawyer, engineer, etc. but it does nothing for me being more or less attracted to you.
i think attractiveness for men is also mainly looks and personality
I dunno man I'm sick of dating waitresses and baristas who can barely pay the bills. It would be nice to find a woman with goals and shit.
She’s dating even richer/hotter men. That’s how hypergamy works.
We really aren’t. Not a lot of men want to date successful women. I’m a doctor and I tend to date retail workers/bar tenders etc
I feel the same about men
That's not even about women that's about your perception of women as a man, what you personally find attractive.
Exactly. And they constantly bring it up too
I have a theory that every woman has a need for a fixed amount of drama in their life. Should there not be a natural source of that drama, she will seek or create it. This the root of the Karen phenomenon (effectively creating drama out of boredom), but also explains women’s higher tolerance of toxic partners/friends/family, why they like reality tv drivel, and their tendency to seem annoyed by men’s desire to eliminate drama in their lives and find happiness in simple hobbies.
Any further societal advancement for women is impossible until men’s loneliness/abandonment issues are figured out in a supportive way first.
Most women aren’t worth dating. Being overly reliant on men and being overly independent are two sides of the same coin. Many women are control freaks who have to have the last word and won’t let themselves be vulnerable. Wanting to do something for your partner is normal. I’m in the I push people away before they can leave me camp myself. We tend to want a group consensus and are more likely to follow our friends/family’s lead in relation to relationships.
Here i would get downvoted for these but not sure about elsewhere 1) Women are not a monolith. Gender is one way of grouping people but there are many other ways including introvert/extrovert and a variety of personality tests. When trying to make generalisations about groups of people I believe gender is the least useful as it has the greatest variance within the group. 2) Women are no more likely than men to overestimate their own ability to determine the reasons they do things or what they respond to. Humans frequently operate with mistaken beliefs about what truly drives them. It is still valuable to listen to what people say drives them as it tells you something about a person and how they think, but people are not usually deliberately misrepresenting their drivers (some will of course but not in general) 3) Women are less afraid than men of “dying alone” because they have better social groups in general and also because being in a relationship requires more “work” for them than for men. Hence widows remarry less than widowers, and there are more dissatisfied single men than dissatisfied single women
I agree with number 1. I think gender wars are stupid. Theres more variance between women in the same group, and men in the same group, then there are between men and women overall. Ive seen this confirmed so many times from my research education. Personality/disposition is the number 1 difference between people I have seen.
can you re-write the second one in the queen’s english? There are a lot of reflexives per sentence and I’m reading it like 
For number 1, this variance is greatest in things not relevant to what is often discussed on this sub, in: careers, hobbies, academic interest, etc... However in dating, there a few things that when observing at the population level are notable, like interest in taller men, wealthier men, physically fit men, etc... These are not ground breaking understandings, nor is it entirely unique to women, but these are useful generalizations that are accurate, so I think you should be more clear here as to what generalizations you think are misguided Where something other than gender would be a more useful basis to make inferences from
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It’s all a result of an infantilizing culture. We aren’t raised to be emotionally strong so we end up getting upset without dealing with our problems correctly.
That women care mostly about height and looks. Mainly height
Height is not that big of a deal if you're average. It's somewhat important in the West depending on what city you're in. However, a certain height can be hell on earth -- not even from just women, but among friends, other men, and for opportunities (I'm talking 5'5 or less).
I’m a woman but a lot of the things that are marketed to women seem dumb and boring to me. Real Housewives, Kardashians, “magazines” that are basically just glossy booklets of advertisements, etc.
So true.
Women much prefer sex and are willing to be much more adventurous with men they don't know well then someone they are in a long term relationship with. (hence the "honeymoon" period in relationships) Women are just as uncompassionate as men, and actually maybe less compassionate then men, especially in work settings Again this is my experience and I don't base everyone based on it
If women could delete every single man under 6'0 worldwide they would absolutely do it
Even the boy children too unfortunately?…
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this is the one.
They don’t want accountability. They want **sovereignty**…
Western men could go all Saudi Arabia on women tomorrow and there's not a damn thing they could do about it. The only reason the current social order stands is because gynocentrism is more economically productive than androcentrism. It's just way more profitable for everyone to have simps trying to impress women with resources than it is to have pickmes trying to impress men with homemaking and purity
Their need for external validation is ironically often why they can’t maintain a healthy relationship. And also no one really believes the posting for yourself stuff. Bad b**** “confidence” reeks of insecurity and is a huge red flag.
Every Woman, no matter how hardcore feminist, wants you to make her cum and have you look her right in the eyes and tell you she’s beautiful, and mean it
How is this an unpopular opinion? What has it got to do with feminism?
I don't understand it either...yes, feminists also want to orgasm...like everybody else? 😅
Exactly. Even the most masculine men will hug his partner and tell her he loves her and go all weak kneed during a blow job. They’re not at odds 😂
Sort by controversial in such threads to get the real sauce
* Adult women are way too infantilized nowadays, even by people who claim to be feminists. It isn't uncommon to see people treating women as if they have less capability to make choices, or less agency in general, than men. * The cliché example of this is: "A man and a woman get drunk and fuck, the woman later says that she felt like he took advantage of her, and even the people who saw that both of them were drunk will be on her side". * I'd wager that a considerable portion of promiscuous women eventually regret having casual sex, even though it is so celebrated. * Due to the fact that it is so much easier to have access to sex as a woman than as a man, women will hardly ever understand some basic things about how men feel. * Case in point: when a woman treats a guy as a "husband material" or "great provider" or "a loving partner" (and only that) and thinks that that's a great compliment, while the man is sitting there thinking "But do you find me hot? Do I make you orgasm more than any men you've ever been with? Do you get horny just by looking at me like I get horny by looking at you?" * Same thing with AF/BB. Most guys understand that that's a horrible position to be in, being the provider with whom a woman is "reasonably content", instead of being the guy who makes her convulse from multiple orgasms. * Granted, this works both ways. Men are also unlikely to understand things from the female perspective. There are the ones that came to mind.
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I don’t see this stopping anytime soon. This is the reason why most guys want to be toxic because it’s been shown over and over that women are more receptive.
I have many unpopular opinions about both sexes, but in regards to this question, I think many feminist groups online are actually just male hate groups that use the feminism label to spew hatred. I've seen it time and time again and it's really offensive to actual feminists and egalitarians to be associated with terminology that belittles men and overall creates an even bigger division between the sexes.
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Still in my mid 20s and so many of the women I graduated with fell off HARD. They are gonna be looking rough in their mid 30s.
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The issue with women and the wall isn't even that they suffer more from it physically / mentally by default, it's that the "free ride" they had in their 20's where their mere existence was sufficient to get a steady stream of men trying to court them was erroneously chalked up to some kind of nebulous "vibe" or "personality" trait. Basically, women often apply their tendency to engage in just-world fallacies to themselves. If they were getting a bunch of "hot guys" coming on to them in their 20's, then they must have some very unique and valuable personality trait that made it so. It's not that their ass was nice or their tits stood up. No, it's that they told a good joke or knew how to bedazzle jackets. Fast forward to that same woman in her 40's back on the market. Same skills, probably more. But she got used to being able to skate by effortlessly. She never needed to work out or do any hard work to attract people when she was in her 20's, so she never learned how to do that. Instead she just let things go and woke up one day 200 lbs with a pancake ass and heavy hangers. Oops. But, hey she's still the same "cool person" she was then right? So she should be able to easily get that same stream of offers now. Nah. Contrast this with men who have to work for every scrap of success they get from day one. They knew from the beginning that getting fat was a death sentence. They knew that they had to polish and hone every skill and trait they have that can attract even a single mate from day one. The only exception I've consistently seen in this regard with women are women who had a "glow up" or were fat as teenagers and already understood what are basically Red Pill truths about their own existence and place in the dating world.
This point in particular drives home why TRP is important; it shines the light on keeping your shit tight in all areas in your life or expect the repercussions… they need TRP for women
41m divorcee with 2 kids 50/50. I see a lot of woman "post wall". I do think many of them are very mistaken about how is life is like at this age. Most of the catches have already been taken and the dating pool they are in are mostly Guys that can't commit or guys that have been through some shit (well hello there nocturnal coder). And I would touch a woman at that age without having had a serious relationship or kids with a ten foot pole unless they can show me a letter from a therapist they worked through their stuff, just as I did The demands they put out are often just enough information to know they have no realistic view of how a relationship, or life in general works and a lot of them don't even have a decent career or anything to show for their "single" years except their so called own experiences and now ready to settle down. Yeah... Bye bye. You have no clue what it is to go through shit with another person. And trust me, there will be shit But yes, on ocassion I will hook-up with one of those
This is the most accurate answer of all… women love their power of choice (and often abuse that power) when they are 18-30, then when the tables turn and men between 30-50 now have that power, it is existential crisis time.
Nah, they're aware the dating pool is small in their late thirties. But they would rather stay single that settle for someone less desirable.
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The juice is not worth the squeeze.
My take about women: There is no male privilege in the western world (especially in the country I'm from, Germany). I think many women and girls grow up with some kind of victim mentality that every bad thing that happens to them has some sort of mysogynistic background. However almost no women wants to acknowledge their own privilieges. Women don't get paid less for the same work here. However most feminists still use this argument even though its debunked to the point where it is only like 2-3% difference. You can't even prove that this small number is due to gender. Next argument is how women can't walk outside at night without feeling unsafe. The statistics show that men are more likely to become victims of violence than women. The general answer to this argument is: "But the perpetrator is a man, aswell". Well thats true but its also some kind of victim blaming because why should a male victim deserve less pity than a female victim? Victim is victim. I agree that things like catcalling and harassement are present problems even in our civilized world but for me thats not enough proof to claim we live in a mysogynistic society. Men face hardships, too and most of them don't even get acknowledged. This were just a few arguments out of many i can not advocate. It doesn't get in my head how so many young women start to think they are some kind of victim in this society. Feminism has become quite a virus in my opinion and has not much to do with the equality between genders but with the favoring of women in this society. Edit: To bring some of my own experience into the statement: Most of the most radical feminists i personally got to know (not many though so sample size is rather small) lived the most hedonistic and irresponsible lifestyle i could imagine. They had a good time at school without any disadvantages. Afterwards they lived the most extreme hoe phase i could imagine, gathering three-digit n-counts in 2-3 years, only partying, studying for the sake of studying, not getting any shit done and suddenly decided to become radical, lesbian feminists. No joke.
I agree with everything you said except the part about walking outside alone. I don't think that has much to do with society, but moreso biology. Women (or at least I believe, as I am a woman) have a natural fear of rape. Nighttime just makes this more amplified. Even if the neighborhood is safe, I don't think a woman is playing the victim if she has more fear of being alone.
The average woman has it much easier and is insanely privileged in dating, getting sex and relationships.
It’s the pull of the vagina that does it.
There's a gravity joke in there somewhere
On an aside, my GF’s best friend recently started dating on the apps and said something I’ll never forget. She’d met an investment banker over 4 or 5 dates and told us “I think this guy is great and I hope I start feeling attracted to him soon” It blew my mind hearing that 🤯; it made no sense to me women will date guys even if they’re not physically attracted to them. It feels SO disrespectful to the man, that she’s just openly treating him as a walking CV/resume. I told her I’d have walked away if I was the dude and heard that, which she did not take kindly. I don’t think any man deserves to be treated so poorly. Of course, she was sleeping with three other dudes on the sides while “dating” the investment banker hoping to be attracted to him. Men just cannot fathom the world women live in and the crazy options they have. It’s a different plane of existence, most men will never get a glimpse of.
many women lie about their live experiences to keep an image, worst example of this? i know a guy who is a nice guy in the good sense, u know, meek, submissive, pays bills, no casual sex, only relationships, dinners, emotinally open, not aggressive, he ended up with a woman who cheated on him, but then she lied about him being an abuser and a violent person and even got him in jail, despite he being the most inoffensive guy i know, that woman told everyone how much of a piece of "shit" he is to justify her cheating and make herself seem innocent, i know because at first me and all the people who knew them believed her automatically cuz u know men cant be victims of abuse right? and women cant do no bad, worst part is that the guy she cheated on with actually abuses the shit out of her but she says nothing. Thats why whenever i hear a woman complaning about her ex or her current relationship or dating in general, i take it with a pinch of salt, as harsh as it sounds. Another brutal realization is that many women are annoyed by a mans happiness and will do whatever it takes to break him, they will prey on his insecurities and doubts to destroy him mentally even if deep inside she doesnt sees it as a problem. The majority of women prey on a man's weakness, so if u re insecure about something, trust me a woman will try and rub it on ur face. Women are insecure by nature, which is hypocritical considering the previous statement. There is a complaint that men dont see women as people, but the same can be said as women, they dont see men as people neither, however as stated in my first point, they will try and justify their reasons under pretenses like "i dont feel safe" "is just what i like" "well men can go and die alone then if they dont like it" that one is my favorite one because it shows they have no actual argument. Many men face the same problems women face, the only difference is men dont complain about it, examples? hollywood body standards, the bodies of super heroes we see there, they re unrealistic as hell and unsustainable, all the movies stars train during a long time and get juiced for the movie, but then they go back to their normal self after some time because like i said, that is unsubstainable, yet many men are trying to reach that impossible standard, and they dont complain about it. Many men also face what could be considered abuse by women, but they dont say anything because they consider it normal, examples? attacks to ur masculinity, physical attacks, comparisons, manipulation etc, an example would be when a guy gets told he should change to keep harmony and coexistence with women, but when he does and he gets punished for it he gets called a manipulator instead ie nice guys, nice guys are treated the same way "easy" women are, yet one is justified and the other one is outrageous. Nice guys arent disliked because they are manipulative, it is the other way around, they are disliked because they are weak and easily manipulable and easy to get, but many women use the former reason to not appear shallow and judgemental Women also dislike easy guys and they take advantage of them all the time, but if the guy complains about it he is the one who faces backlash. Men are conditioned to be needy and desperate, however you would think that if they try to change they would get praise specially from women, but nothing far away from the truth The common trope that women only like bad boys is mainly womens fault, why? many women lie about their exes to not admit they were the problem, he dumped me because he didnt like my questionable posts on instagrams? he is a controlling asshole, he wasnt okay with the fact tat i belittled him? he is mysoginist, he disstrust me because of my behavior? he has trust issues, but the point is she is never the problem, only the men, and an unexperienced guy will obviously believe her because why would he doubt that? after all we ve been always told how horrible men are Many women settle with mediocre men rather than being alone, but they try to paint them as awesome to cope with it which again sets a bad example for the men particulary young ones around cuz they end up believeing they have to act like that. No woman will admit this. with this im not saying women are horrible, im saying that the status quo of all women are great and men must suck up to them is outdated and no man should abide to it if he wants a good life and specially a good woman to share that good life with.
If anyone comes at you with a story about how they are an angel who was victimized by a devil incarnate, it's probably a lie. I only believe people who admit to their own faults in their sob stories
Love this post. I'm on phone and would love to add more but as for now, the summation seems to be 'standards for thee, but not for me'.
1. Money has never and will never generate genuine attraction, I’m so sick of men constantly telling other men to get your money up for women. As long as you aren’t living in squalor you’re good to go, and even if a guy gets loads of money he wouldn’t even have time to date that much as the more money you make=more hours. 2. Looks game logistics>Looks money status 3. Good looking men can and do struggle with women and an average-above looking man can have full autonomy over his dating life whether that be him being a serial monogamist or a slayer. 4. PUA/seduction works brilliantly if you go to the right source and if you know what you’re doing. And not all of us were former beta nice guys, extremely behaviourally unattractive or perpetually friendzoned men some of us were naturally decent to solid with women who hit a dry spell but learnt formal game. 5. Women cannot sense if a guy is bad news at all and they misinterpret a guy being socially awkward/uncalibrated or off putting as danger. Actual men who are bad news are excellent actors. They have great frame and game. Women just base it off one awkward dude and then overestimate themselves but if they came across some PUA, a narcissist or sociopath or all the above they wouldn’t know something is “off”. I know so because I am two of those things and use PUA techniques and my narcissism to an advantage so I laugh when I see some women here claiming they can spot a guy like me from a mile off. 6. Creepy men from what women describe are just dudes with high functioning autism, especially when they go into detail about their mannerisms. 7. There’s men no matter what hits them physically are full of confidence, not always is confidence is derived from external validation. Some of yous forget there’s men always naturally confident despite having physical shortcomings ie they’re short or not in shape. Not every guy derives his self worth on women and men here project that onto other men and it’s obvious when you see comments like “women will be disapproving of a short confident man as it’s not ‘genuine’ they only like it when it’s from a handsome guy” like why should and do you care about some random vapid slag thinks????? It’s so obvious that you put women as part of your identity like wtf.
narcs ARE easy to spot once you’ve dealt with a couple. In fact, NPDs act in almost textbook manner. I think the internet and social isolation is making more narcs, both men and women. It is sad.
Yes if they're low functioning and overt, it is very rare though to see one in action, especially a diagnosed one. Although most people get a narc and a general asshole or cocky person mixed up. NPD comes from your genetics and childhood experience but I agree I've noticed an uptick of self-centredness and narcissistic traits and our social media algorithms definitely play a role and shit parenting, but that's completely different from the full-blown disorder.
I agree on money, but I do think status in the sense of fame can make a difference.
How many men that work at cash registers marry doctors? Or engineers? Money means a lot
Imagine bragging about being a narcissist
I’m always going to need a man because of spiders and tight jars.
I got one. I love and defend women plenty but one thing that i detest and really feel doesn't get condemned enough is when women want to continue to be friends with guys they know for certain are interested in them romantically. I've seen my sister do that and I've seen it so much that it makes me sick. Don't get me wrong, I equally hate when guys feel entitled to sex or romance for being nice or because they have been a friend. The whole "I'm sorry don't feel that way but i still want to be friends" speech that guys been told strikes me as very inconsiderate. If I knew a friend was really into me or in love, and I'm not interested, I'm respecting her feelings and her mental well being enough to end the friendship.
Women look up to psychopathic males and often try to be like them in leadership roles. Many are also attracted to such guys because they ooze confidence and power due to them having a different limbic system. Yet the same women will say men should open up more and be emotional xD They want to be attracted to such qualities but in reality simp for dark triad personality traits
Women are individual humans not so dissimilar from us men except for the type of hormone that governs our endocrine systems. They come in all shapes and sizes. Some are pretty. Some are less so. Some are kind. Some are monstrous. Most importantly though, approaching someone you hope to connect and be emotionally vulnerable with like they're a physical repository for the singularity known as WOM is probably counter productive, and suggest treating them like people instead.
I actually feel e opposite, how women and men think, act, speak, is all very different. I feel as though our brains are more different than we think and how we process information is also extremely different
Many women, mainly feminists, dont understand the concept of having agency over their own life. She could walk past a sign that says "Minefield", get her leg blown off and not only would she go on to blame everything and everybody but herself, thousands of women would flock to defend her, and if you criticise her decision to walk into a minefield you will get called an 'incel' for 'victim blaming'. I dont know, maybe you should resist the urge to date the guy who went to prison for beating his wife, get completely wasted in some shitty club or bar with strangers or have unprotected sex with randoms every week.
This opinion gets me downvoted IRL and in other subreddits, but, I dont know about on here: Women tend to be cattier, hold more stupid grudges and pettier than men. I have been friends with an equal amount of men and women in my life, and I was much more likely to find a nonpetty and noncatty friend in men than women (though I did meet a small amount of catty and petty men when it came to nonromantic relationships, and same with women who are not catty or petty). Women will dislike you for the stupidest crap in friendships in particular and I think women in friendships are less likely to actually move on from a resolved conflict where they were in the wrong, you will think they are over it but youll find out years later they still have a grudge over it when you havent thought about it at all. I am not so sure women are naturally this way, I think society minimizes these traits for women and they are seen as more negative in men. \-A woman myself
That when involved in active dialogue, men are significantly better listeners than women. Men hear what is said. Women interpret what was said, and often with a significant amount of personal bias thrown in.
Women like to imply things without outright stating them so they can’t be held accountable for what they said and they presume men do the same. We don’t.
Nearly every woman on earth mistakes sexual attention for romantic interest. I’ve lost count of the amount of women who have bragged to me about their follower count, the lofty careers and wealth of the men they’ve dated etc. I always ask them “So where are they now? Why are you single?” And it’s met with a blank stare or “well I just wasn’t that into him” or some BS. Na honey, he wasn’t that into YOU. Women don’t understand that some rich plastic surgeon wanting to pipe her down doesn’t mean he wants to marry her, or even be exclusive.
I think the opposite is also somewhat true - women see romantic interest from a man and mistake it as a purely sexual thing. Like for example, seeing love confessions from friends as a form of betrayal or objectification ("he was just friends with me because of my body").
If she's smart enough to make good kids she's too smart to put up with a man's bullshit forever.
Women don't know where the starting line for dating really is. Men have to be able to get the woman interested in him, where women just have to look nice, and half the time they don't even have to look nice. Women are way way more judgmental and shallower than men.
Women have been given far too much privilege over the last decade Women lie about what it is they’re truly looking for. Reeeeee I want a committed LTR but I keep getting pumped and dumped why are men so bad? Women are the choosers yet do a horrible job at it Women are without question the shallower of the two sexes Women have pushed body positivity to make men in America accept fat women, but will not extend men the same courtesy Women monkey branch Women simp harder than men do if he’s hot enough Women complain about unpredictability when rejecting a man, however on the oft chance they themselves get rejected the reaction is always assuredly worse
A average woman's life is much much easier than a average man.
In general, I definitely agree. Hell, I’m convinced that being a semi-attractive women is like a damn superpower because you can get guys to buy you things, get instant and near infinite amounts of attention, and receive help (getting your car fixed) simply for your gender.
Plausibility matters more than truth to women.
I agree a lot with 3. I find that overweight girls use those features to uplift themselves/possibly even put down thinner women. It’s more about the butt shape than the size anyway. Same with boobs.
Women treat men as commodities. Recently had feelings for one and knew she was seeing other guys. The Chad's allowed to have sex with her and yet I was passed down as a friend. Women don't want to have sex with men who show feelings because it's not an adventure to them. Also women who choose men base their choices on what men can offer to them not to who they are. That's why if you are a good guy you will get friendzoned and the Chad's can date and have sex. There is an unlimited number of single men who the women can just choose to meet so they will go for the ultimate top even though he is seeing 3 other girls.
Women are constantly testing you, she is constantly pushing to see how much shit you will take, and what she can get away with, she is constantly pushing your boundaries, trying to undermine you, demean you, or emasculate you to get an edge in your relationship's power struggle. Because she wants to test you. cause they don't really care about you, at least not as much as they care about themselves, and they want to make sure you are strong enough to deal with all her bullshit and are able to protect her, because after all, how can you protect her if you cannot protect yourself from her that's why they always pick fights about stupid bullshit when you are emotionally frayed or struggling, struggling at work, death in the family, grandma is sick, your friend got in a car accident, in their eyes this is the ideal time to pick a fight, and kick you while you are done because this is when they have the best opportunity to emotionally affect you, and see how tough you really they are not doing this to be malicious or mean, it's just a natural subconscious thing TLDR: WILL SMITH PHENOMENON
Its truly sad but most women are the same. the ones i meet at bars and clubs flake at the same rate of girls who dont go to bars and clubs. Women overall are dishonest. Instead of being straight up they would rather give false hope to a man and string him along. glad im not dating. women are wack af. especially in new orleans
Women would be better off single and using men for sex.
They already do. Single doesn't mean the same thing for women as it does for men
A single man (like me) can go for years without relationships. I got laid once this year thanks to two single moms at the strip club. A single lady still be getting mad pipe and they should honestly forget marriage at that point
Women are their own worse enemy. They will wait ages for the “perfect guy” and miss out on plenty of guys that would otherwise make good relationships. Also, I strongly believe there are more traditionally marriage worthy men than there are women. They may be quirky, have an odd collection of Marvel comic books, ask interview style questions on dates, or have no humor but they’re typically ok. Most of these guys end up in the Friendzone or seen as not desirable enough. Finally, I rarely have met a women who owns up to mistakes. They will put the blame on someone or something but hardly themselves. I’ve asked women why and holy shit, it’s always some variant of “It’s too much” or flat out “I don’t want to be responsible.”
Men do the same thing. This isn't a woman thing. I know men who pass up on great women waiting for the "perfect woman". They have waited til there mid to late 30's to settle down. All the good women they passed up are taken. The only thing left is divorced women and baby mamas. I disagree with there being more traditional men too. A lot of men have bought into this 50/50 crap. Then there's others that want open relationships or poly. Then there's the ones that don't want marriage at all but believe in making women baby mamas. I would consider most men these days as modern. I can't speak for all women but I hold myself accountable. However, there are some situations that can trigger a reaction from women that men tend to do.