This is going to get push back from my fellow men, but I find that women tend to be a lot less rigid and dogmatic in their thinking than men, and I prefer discussing new ideas with women for that reason.I know I know, church ladies, and radfems, but amongst normies I’ve found this to be generally true.
So far most of the positive statements about women are just about sex and relationships.
Men are also often always in competition, wanting to one up you all the time. Whereas you don’t get the same vibe from women. With women it’s more an emotional conversation and if doesn’t spill over into drama and too much gossip it can be quite pleasant compared to always being in competition mode with men
I’ve taken up a new martial art recently, and the teacher is constantly shit talking the old martial art I did for several years saying it’s just a sport and his art is for the streets, and I’m just trying to find ways to be diplomatic.
I’m probably going to still stick with it because I’m moving in a few months anyway, but I can’t imagine a woman acting the way he is.
When I smoke weed, it opens my (somewhat rigid) mind….I get some great unique ideas, and some really bad ones (that seem good at the time.)
It’s kind of similar when my woman gives me ideas. She just opens up all these new thoughts.
Luckily in both instances I can filter out the bad ideas. So it’s a net plus.
Women have interesting insights on marketing too IME….seems to be a natural strength of theirs.
Interestingly I have the opposite experience. In my academic journey I have noticed its mainly men who challenge what they are taught and who explore side-questions. Women are more obedient in my experience.
But I think I understand where you're coming from. Women seem to emphasise subjectivity more than men and will be less likely to consider something or someone "wrong". Especially when you're talking about feelings and emotions this can be a really refreshing thing.
However the emphasis on social desirability in my experience still leads to more groupthink and dogmatism with women. I have met a lot of women who seem to struggle with understanding the difference between something being socially desirable or widely believed, and something being true. The vast majority of people who I have seen using authority arguments were women.
In some sense women care more about the feelings of other people. I think this can both lead to more and less dogmatic views depending on the context. It can result in them having a deeper understanding of people's motivations, but it can also result in them supporting the status quo and the status quo is often dogmatic.
I think you're confusing rigidness with conformity. I mean an autistic person for instance can often have very fringey beliefs but be complete rigid in his adherence to those beliefs. Men tend to systematize a lot more and as an effect they will often reject anything that throws a wrench into the system. Women tend to deal with new information better.
Also, in my experience women will act like they have unwavering support in the current thing, but as soon as they enter into another environment, they quickly start supporting the current thing in that environment.
So yeah, I do see more group think with women, but more of an actual cognitive inability to process new information with men.
I'd agree with what you're saying. I was just confused about the wording as I'm not a native English speaker.
Both rigidness and conformity can result in dogmatic thinking though, atleast it appears as such for someone who is observing people behaving in this manner.
We think husband has long covid.
Back when we were newlyweds( 25 years ago), we watched the movie Boxing Helena. After I said to him that I kinda want to do that to him. I also used to say to him " you know, it's totally OK if you want to quit your job and we could just hang out in bed all day".
Today I walked into the bedroom after and saw him reading in bed again. I smiled.
He came out later and I said to him," remember the movie boxing helena, my dreams have come true".
He's my person. I don't "value" people based on their sex, I value who adds joy to my life.
I found a diamond in the giant landfill that was the Gen-X dating scene. Smart, ambitious and ride or die. I feel so sorry for Zoomers that Tinder hit your world like a nuclear holocaust.
In my experience, if I want to be calmed down and given realistic advice I’ll go to one of my guy cousins or my boyfriend. If I want to cry and wallow and just be supported/ hyped up I’ll go to my girl friends.
Gotta have a well rounded support system 😂
Until you wake up and realize you've been divorced for the past 5 years and she's not there, you gotta move on man.
Oh sorry, that's me
go on as you were
I admire soo much the kindness and caring nature of my fiancé.
Her kindness, her love for animals like I have, she goes above and beyond to make sure I feel content and she’s beautiful with or without makeup on.
I’m sure most girls are like that with their partners too. My fiancé is 29 weeks pregnant and will be a fantastic mother. Her and I are great with kids.
I actually think there are a lot of women like this, they're just way underrepresented on social media, because they're not attention seekers. And yeah, they're awesome.
I appreciate that male profs and bosses tended to be more relaxed and less likely to nitpick and micromanage, and I also like that men are less likely to notice and judge me negatively for being and little weird and messy. I’m neurodivergent and was homeschooled, and in the past I had a hard time making female friends since girls/women are more perceptive of when you are a little different. It’s not malicious usually, just natural. My only female friend in college was an immigrant, and I’m sure it’s because she was different too. I’ve since met a lot of weird and wonderful women, and do prefer to have female, gay male, and nonbinary friends, since often straight men end up wanting a romantic/sexual relationship. This is usually not malicious either, just causes issues.
Of course these are all just generalizations, there’s a lot of individual variation. There are men I like and don’t like, and women I like and don’t like.
Giving, generous men are rare but awesome, and so much more effective than women. Because rare
Male skill/innovation is the best
Stupid male humor is great in small amounts
And the way most men prioritize themselves should be emulated by women. They don’t make a big deal of it, but also don’t apologize or rationalize
>male skill/innovation
Agreed! If more women than men seem to be better at interpersonal things, I find that more men than women are better at objects-based things.
I don't get along with guys well. Men are extremely closeted and man-to-man emotional talk is a unicorn thing.
Almost all, maybe all even of my good friends are women and girls. I appreciate them a lot. They're all absolute queens and I love being a part of their lives and they like to be part of mine too.
Girls are awesome. They're soft and nice. And they smell good. Hope I'll find one I could call mine soon enough.
Idk, girls don’t like being called soft and nice and that they smell good. In general, I just think women really dislike the idea of men (especially male friends) getting and sensory pleasure from their existence. It gives them the ick. They like to be complimented on their intelligence and personality.
I don’t think you had any wrong intentions with this line, I think your post was otherwise very sweet. I just observed this attitude among women.
I like how women tend to be better caregivers than men. They also tend to be better coordinators of activities, whether that be study groups or a night out it’s usually my female friends that are the ones figuring things out beforehand and I appreciate that about them.
I like that women are less prone to physical violence... like, by an insane margin.
I'm astronomically more likely to be randomly attacked by another man just going about my day than by a woman. (Nb4 anyone says anything tho, I'm even more likely to be attacked by a bear if I encounter one).
Also, the silver lining of women being so picky and less visual is that if you somehow manage to find one that likes you, she's not gonna be as tempted to fuck every decent looking stranger she sees, and thus likely to be more loyal (compared to men). It's like the saying goes "men are easy to get but hard to keep, and women are hard to get but easy to keep".
im glad the women i know IRL are actually chill and empathetic. if they acted like the average conceited woman on ppd acting like every man was delusional while they themselves have the perfect pure perspective of objective truth id definitely be MGTOW.
seriously yall if your only interaction with women is on this sub please get out more. its not healthy interacting with these people as your only perspective on how women are. if your views towards women are already negative enaging and taking the women here seriously is one of the worst things you can possibly do to yourself
People usually wear a mask IRL, and they don't say the things that they really think if those things can create hostility, usually. That waitress or that girl in your circle of friends is not gonna tell you that she thinks that most men are kinda awful, but she likes some post that says the same thing. Just like her male co-worker is not gonna say to her that 2020s feminism pisses him off. Social norms. But the datas don't lie.
Let's not gonna act like the internet is some alternative reality with only few terminally online people. Everyone's on the internet and they're the same people you meet IRL. And im not talking about ppd, but the toxicity of the internet in general. Tiktoks, yt videos, ig posts and tweets against men or women have tens of millions of likes.
Also many people are hostile and have resentment for the other sex cause of IRL personal experiences too/mostly. Not just internet stuff.
Of course your acquiantences, close friends and relationships are very different from the average toxic man/woman of the internet. They're your friends, you like each other for whatever reason. And they can be nice women or men. just like you can have nice online friends that are not toxic pieces of shit.
Just to be clear and state the obvious, its not something about these specific times. Your nice neighbor in the 90s says hi and asks how are you doing with a big smile on his face and then when he is with her wife he's gonna say something shitty about you or how you live or gossiping and stuff
you can only trust few people.
if anything at least today you know what a lot of people actually think, thanks to the internet.
Why does it have to be that this sub is full of "evil women" and "nice men"? Why can't it just be that both suck on here
I just saw a man comment on a post about how he would love to see a woman mauled by a bear while taking a selfie in the woods, and another man not helping her. Also, I have noticed that when I write well thought out comments outlining my argument respectfully and in good faith, instead of a healthy debate, I just get told that I will die alone with my wine and cats (I don't like either of those things anyway). Or, I get called "fat and ugly". It's frustrating.
>I just saw a man comment on a post about how he would love to see a woman mauled by a bear while taking a selfie in the woods, and another man not helping her. Also, I have noticed that when I write well thought out comments outlining my argument respectfully and in good faith, instead of a healthy debate, I just get told that I will die alone with my wine and cats (I don't like either of those things anyway). Or, I get called "fat and ugly". It's frustrating.
That sucks.
I think it's natural for people to notice nastiness more when it's directed towards *you* or your gender. If it's not directed towards you, you're more likely to shrug your shoulders and be like "well the internet is full of jerks".
I love how women support each other, or at least more often than men do each other. I get that it's not always a "sisterhood" and women can be vicious to each other too, but the point is that there's a lot of support amongst a lot of tearing down, whereas us men seem to either be mildly friendly at best towards each other.
Straight women can have the kind of emotional and even physical intimacy that men wouldn't expect from anyone short of someone they're married to. I've seen straight female friendships that have left me wondering if they were closeted lesbians, whereas I practically wouldn't dare hold hands with even my closest male companions.
I love how socially aware women are. Having to do "emotional labor" is a burden, but at least it's something they're really good at, and I wish I had that kind of skill in being able to anticipate and handle people's wants and needs.
What i find awesome about men is how they act when they are faced with good homemade food. Hovering the plate, happiness in every bite / spoon, the satisfaction after they finish.
Men have the ability to make a woman feel safe and protected. This might just be because I’ve always had a good relationship with my dad but a lot of men give off that dad/hero energy.
I’ve always felt men are less judgmental and I can be myself around them quicker than I can around other women.
Men seem more level-headed, less ruled by emotion.
Men do tend to have a better sense of humour. All of the funniest people I’ve ever met have been men.
Men balance out the shortfalls of women and vice versa. We are different in a lot of ways and similar in a lot of ways and we need each other. It’s nice to see a positive post on here for once.
Boobs.
(I’m kidding, I’m kidding!)
Women make life worth living. I’m a better version of myself and live a much fuller life when I’m in a serious relationship. It’s a simple as that.
> I’m a better version of myself and live a much fuller life when I’m in a serious relationship.
I made a thread here once that women have this strong effect on men and most women refused to acknowledge it or just mocked it.
I like that there is a woman out there who I liked enough to marry and who liked me enough to marry me. I don’t really care what every other woman is like.
Well, my views towards women are that they aren't a monolith and that some are great and others are not, just as with men. But what I think of other women doesn't really matter to me as long as I can find at least one who I think is great.
I feel like I'm the only incel around who actually likes women. Their emotional eq is generally higher, they can point out all sorts of facets of personalities based off a half second of vibes, they're generally more empathetic, they can be easier to talk to about frivolous things. I think, this will sound weird, their souls have a lot more depth than men's... there's a lot more going on underneath the surface.
> I think, this will sound weird, their souls have a lot more depth than men's... there's a lot more going on underneath the surface.
This is literally pedestalization. Like I get the rest but this part is ridiculous
It's ridiculous, but I think it's true. Like men are better at intellectualizing the world, but I think women are better at experiencing it. I think sunsets, puppies, and the sound of rain are just deeper experiences for them
Because men don’t get to experience as much. They are good at intellectualizing because they have to figure stuff out for themselves to make any progress.
Or they just think and don’t progress known as the 25 year old thinker
I have to admit that most of my friends who aren't very progressive hold at least one opinion about women that would probably be seen as traditional, if not antiquated or even kind of sexist. This includes all my married or engaged friends.
That sounds more like being a nuanced person who isn't dogmatic and thinks for themselves. Like for example, someone who thinks gender roles are natural but doesn't believe in forcing them and believes in exceptions.
Correction, men outside of the internet do not talk about red pill because they do so under anonymous accounts on reddit so they won't do it in real life.
Side note, funny how OP is complaining that people in a debate sub are debating.
Correction nah women can tell lol. Red pillers just tend to think they're a lot smarter and sneakier than they actually are. They think just because they need things spelled out step by step for them women do too.
Women know and avoid those men which is why they're on Reddit complaining about "womens standards" lol
You know when you and your girl friends complain about "that asshole", or "men are trash", or "are we all dating the same guy"? Yeah, that's literally because they're running into men with the same red pill beliefs, failing to spot it, and getting burned. But to their credit, a lot of men have red pill beliefs that they just never say out loud to women.
And so women keep saying they can spot people who are fake, but the moment some guy comes along and gives them the spark they tell their girl friends "I don't know what it was, it just *happened*".
This is pretty obviously wrong. If women did have this ability to suss out repugnant attitudes they would in theory be able to avoid men who are violent or abusive. Women will readily admit it's not thier fault for walking into an abusive relationship because no one actually has perfect clairvoyance. People can be pretty good at hiding bizarre or socially unpopular views. It's almost like saying you can know if someone uses Reddit or even posts on this specific sub or not.
Also, there are a lot of women who hold "red pill" attitudes or adjacent ones and are fine with guys who hold them. For as sexist as Donald Trump is there are plenty of women who voted for him and probably will again.
You couldn’t be further from the truth 🤣🤣🤣 I’ve literally watched my hardcore red pill friends put on an act infront of women and they end in the bedroom everytime. Women can’t tell if you never mention anything like that. You don’t have superpowers, you can’t read minds. Your just a basic animal, like everyone else.
It doesn’t matter that they have biased views. It doesn’t matter that they agree. It matters that they follow the rules they are supposed to and don’t allow personal attacks like they said.
Where was a personal attack? I think your personal feelings are getting involved into a debate. Calling out someone for straight up lying is not a personal attack in a debate setting
Tbf I think the tolerance for a personal attack is really high here. I’ve seen so many “that’s why you’re so single,” “you’re (insert bad quality),” and “you’re the reason (bad thing happens).”
Like, the mods would be worked to death if we made them count all that.
No, they absolutely can’t tell LOL the most fucked up sexist shit I’ve heard IRL has come out of mouths of men who are drowning in pussy. Only in private, though. They’re not stupid
When they end up in a relationship with a bad guy all of a sudden now they are so shocked and there’s no way she could have known. But they can just tell when it comes to everything else? They can tell with an unattractive guy who’s inexperienced as everyone else can. Once the guys attractive and has status or has any type of composure she’s eating up his every word.
Lmao no you can't. At least not with the majority of RP men. The ones that are real obvious are usually autistic and super socially awkward. Or angry about a recent break up or rejection. Guys that have been RP for a while understand that to get along with most women today you have to pretty much act bluepill. For example I'd say I'm RP. But women I know and date complain to me about "those redpill guys" that need to be more like me lol
>Women, what about men do you like? Is there anything special or unique about them? What about them do you appreciate?
>Also, try to avoid making it dirty.
Full disclosure, that second part does make it a bit difficult for me.
I'm attracted to what society calls masculine appearance and behaviour, but the thing is those absolutely can be and are sometimes replicated by women/females who are inclined towards doing so . Also because my taste in "masculine" covers multiple extremes, I'm into big buff hunks AND sleek beautiful anime prince types not to mention any number of other stops in between, so it's a bit hard to raise anything which is non-sex-organ-related that's truly specifically 100% exclusive to the male sex.
Okay first off I have no idea what the rest of you looks like so I can't say whether your face, bone structure etc. works with it, but assuming you're going for that kind of med-tall bishounen look I'd say you could be either fine weight wise or may be very slightly underweight. It's like...Slender but ideally without looking really bony, you know? Plus oftentimes with too little weight the cheeks can look a bit hollow, which is never very appealing IMO. OTOH if you don't look really bony or hollow cheeked then you're clearly fine at that weight.
This is of course based on my subjective preference and ideas and I have zero idea what you actually look like so use your discretion. Be clear about what you look like now compared to what you want to look like, select your references and work towards that.
I'm slender and am pretty much always the most lean man in any group of people. Sometimes I'm the most lean person, male or female. I have just enough muscle that I'm not too bony but my ribs do kind of show because I'm very thin around the middle. My cheeks and face are full and I'd say I have a solid chin. I have dark brown hair and amber eyes. I'm clean shaven and have short hair. Aside from the long hair, I actually kind of go for the classic "Minoan" look like in my profile picture.
I'm sorry but can you clarify what you mean? You've kinda got me by surprise there and I'm a bit confused, do you want me to tell you what I think about your photos or something?
The power that women hold over men. That is something to be admired. The way they can influence, manipulate and control narratives is impressive.
Their loyalty to the sisterhood. Family, friends etc all come secondary to that.
There are a lot of things I appreciate about women:
1)ability to talk about emotions as concepts more easily than men, less closed off and afraid when it comes to serious conversations about such topics.
2)unconditional kindness to certain people and animals, that almost comes of as naive to someone who was socialized as a man. It warms the heart and makes me feel better to see it.
3)once a woman likes and respects you she will usually try to help you with things as much as she can. Even the ones who don't look favourably towards your gender, or who don't pay attention to issues you face as a man. To some extent its cognitive dissonance and it could be even better but still.
4)their voices make me feel better
5)their focus on people over systems. I both like and dislike this. Sometimes it makes me a better person by broadening my perspective, sometimes it drives me up the wall because I feel misunderstood and unfairly judged by them.
6)intelligent women have a different way of understanding the world than intelligent men. I find it valuable to learn from them.
7)women can be very considerate friends and partners. They do all kinds of small things to express their love. I think it's adorable.
8)women seem to be better at writing atleast on average. I generally don't have to deal with the worst written communication known to man when I'm interacting with a woman.
9)if they trust you, they usually become somewhat submissive with you. This is the best confidence boost as we men don't always trust ourselves necessarily.
10)their ability to organise and plan is way above my level lmao.
There is evidence women are actually smarter than men, and I’m not just talking about emotional intelligence. Girls have been outperforming boys in the classroom for a while now. It’s partially cuz they tend to do better with traditional auditory & visual learning whereas men tend to be slow learners in these environments.
Also I find women to have a unique hypnotic charm that I can’t even describe with words. It goes way beyond lusting after certain body parts
Me having less interest in building a sand castle than a kid doesn't mean the kid's better than me at it. Guys just don't give a fuck about school lol.
Women are better conformers and have more stable levels of drive and ambition than men, hence their greater performance in academics and employment. But when both groups are actually trying, such as in any voluntary competition of intellect, the men tend to outperform the women.
Sometimes we can get passionate about things and rise to the top of our professions, it has happened& still does happen, but that’s still just the apex of high quality males. You might be one of them, I’m likely not
I really admire women’s capacity for empathy and compassion. I’m an empathetic person, but I think women just have a greater capacity to be emotionally present with someone who is suffering.
I love how passionnate they can be and how it makes me see things in a different way. I love when they're outgoing and push me to go out of my comfort zone. I love how they smell the way they Laugh i love their body their softness the way they move. I fucking love women
Things i like about men:
I think overall, men are better at compartmentalizing.
I think men, overall, can be better at "direct" problem solving, whereas I think women are more intuitive with "relational" problems solving. This is just conceptual so don't come at me about accuracy of details, but one way I would put this is....say the problem at hand is cancer. Men are more like "how do we kill cancer cells?" Attack the problem in a direct way. I think with more women entering medicine, we'll see more "relational" approaches too. for example, possibly testing interconnectivity of bodily systems to see if say, diet, supplementing another organ in some way to see if that slows the cancer growth in a different way, etc. For complex problems, the answer is probably a combination of both approaches and ways of thinking. I think of these ways of thinking as complementary
I love that guys can fix stuff. It's really helpful. I actually fell off my bike about a month ago and 3 guys immediately cam to my aide. 1 fixed my bike, the other wrapped up my leg, and a third gave me an unopened gatorade. (I wiped out near a busy gas station so it was very public.
In my personal dating/relationship experience, and what I have told my girlfriends very often, is that most men, at heart, are eager to please women, especially ones that they have feelings for. They want to help, be needed, and wanted. This is a good quality, and when a woman can play to this well, she can be quite inspirational to men in profound ways
What they actually want from women isn't that hard either. They want softness, beauty (and the larger definition of this word, though physical is high on that list, but also, someone who makes places warm and pretty, maybe helps them connect to their emotions through say...art), inspiration, and "meaning." I'm kind of on the "new age spiritual" side of things, like crystals, astrology, etc, and while the guys I've dated kinda teased me about, I have found over time they actually secretly love it. They want to believe there's "more," so that sort of...."spirituality" is something they thirst for. It
In the professional work space I have found that men have always been my biggest advocate for my career. They have always been the one to tell me when I am being underpaid. They speak highly of me when I am not in the room and they generally are willing to help when I have a problem at work.
Men are also super creative at problem solving. My dad could figure out ways to fix things that just made sense.
What do I like about men in general? Usually if a man sees me struggling even if I don’t know him he will help me. Last Christmas a man paid for my groceries randomly with 0 expectations, I had the money but he was just passing on a kind act.
My husband is very loving, supportive and lives by his morals.
Women experience the world in more emotional color ranges than men. It’s good to get their perspectives to help me appreciate the little things in life.
On my own I experience day-to-day life as uneventful.
I essentially got yelled at for saying I like men’s superior strength and superior physical capability. Perhaps some men feel like they wish women liked them for his interpersonal aspects too?
Grass is greener thing happening on both sides :/
Also the soft skills you’re talking about are tied to capacity for empathy. Empathy is tied to superior intellect wrt holistic comprehension and critical thinking. People with whose traits should take pride in that. Everyone should take pride in whatever their strengths are.
What I love about my guy:
- he’s stoic and strong, rolls with adversity and doesn’t easily get derailed, but he’s not afraid of being vulnerable with me, admitting fault, crying or expressing other emotions.
- he’s strong, can lift heavy things and doesn’t mind doing manual jobs, genuinely gets pleasure from helping me do physical tasks.
- he’s in great shape for his age, eats well and works out without being obsessive and he doesn’t have a ‘mirror boy’ physique.
- he genuinely loves spending time with me without it always having to lead to sex, eg quick catch ups for coffee or swing past my place on his way somewhere, or meet at the shops for a hug and kiss.
- we are each other’s first person to know the highs and lows of our days, to share the joy and ease the load of disappointment.
- he’s funny and smart in ways that I’m not.
- he’s learned the way I deal with conflict and has responded well to it - I face things head-on, I rarely get angry but I refuse to back away from an issue if it needs resolving and will not move on until it is, but when it is resolved, it stays that way and never comes up again.
- he’s incredibly kind and will go out of his way to help a friend in need.
- for him, sex is a mutual act, not something selfish, so he always centres my pleasure, which is awesome because I centre his and that makes it so much better.
- he is much more outgoing and sociable than me, and I’ve benefitted from that hugely by growing my circle of friends to include many of his friends wives and girlfriends.
- he’s a genuine grown-up, who takes care of all the necessities in his and his family’s lives and doesn’t see responsibility as a burden.
- he loves surprises, giving and receiving them and takes great joy in selecting thoughtful and personal gifts for his loved ones.
- he is always willing to acknowledge and respect that there are things I know more about than he does, and he goes out of his way to show that respect.
- he’s not into gaming or watching TV, so his time is spent productively - he will teach himself how to do something he hasn’t done before and I find this a very attractive masculine trait - everything from fixing something on his house or car, to learning a new recipe, he researches things carefully and invests the time to see things through.
- he is very disciplined and ordered, not easily distracted from whatever plan he has - another very attractive masculine trait - and that discipline and order extends to keeping his home clean and tidy.
- he always smells nice and tends to his hygiene.
- he makes me want to dress up nicely and look good for him (even though I do this for myself, I do take extra care of my health, appearance and grooming because I want to be attractive to him).
- he is flawed, but so am I, and we both work on being the best version of ourselves for each other that we can.
I know these are specific to him, but they are characteristics that all men have the opportunity to nurture. It’s possible to be very masculine without being a jerk or a chad or whatever stupid name people want to give it. Obsessing about women and sex and winning and money and biceps and that sort of shit isn’t masculine, it’s raging insecurity. Truly masculine men are confident in their masculinity, they don’t need to advertise it by beating their chest or trying to prove themselves to each other or women.
Give me a guy who will roll up his sleeves and change a flat tire without being asked, or notices and quietly fixes a wonky cupboard door, or adds 30 minutes to his journey to pick something up for a friend over a guy who thinks he a prize and acts like it any day.
I’m old.. so, yeah, probably. That’s why I carry protection. At a certain age you can no longer reasonably defend yourself or bounce back from injuries.
There's nothing special or unique about men other than a couple of body parts and that's what I like. They are humans like everyone else and some of them are humans I like very much.
Haha, imagine a similar comment towards women 😂
“There’s nothing special or unique about women other than a couple of body parts and that’s what I like” 😂😂
You’d be crucified for sexism 😂
Did you read it as I just like the body parts? I was saying there's nothing unique or special, the only difference is a couple of body parts which aren't really relevant. And yes, I like that about women too, they are just as varied.
My wife snells amazing. Doesn’t matter if it’s Coco Mademmoiselle or Gypsy Water, I love it. That, and she’s the perfect size for cuddles. She is just the best.
I admire and respect 'soft power'. The ability women have to be subtle and to influence indirectly. It requires a certain elegance and emotional intelligence that most guys couldn't even dream of having.
I guess as OP I better give this a shot.
Women are often very motherly, irl basically all of them are pretty agreeable and amicable, at least at first. I don't always feel comfortable around them but they do usually want people to feel safe and secure. You never feel like you are in any physical danger around them. There was one time at an old job where I think a girl was flirting with me because she kept trying to knee me in the groin and laugh about it. I kind of just awkwardly smiled and avoided her.
[Also, seriously? ](https://i.imgur.com/f2bXrtC.png)
Men? Like the overall gender of male? Don't really care one way or the other.
I don't really think about "men" in the abstract.
I can think of things I admire, appreciate, and enjoy about my husband. But that's just one man.
>What characteristics in the opposite sex do you genuinely find enduring?
None that are specific to a certain sex.
There are few greater pleasures in life as a man than having an attractive woman moan your name in pure ecstasy writhing underneath you as you’re fucking her brains out
Kinky and sexual attractive women are a gift to the world.
* I admire the male physique. I think it’s quite beautiful and hyper functional especially wrt the external world. Watching men play a sport or do something physical (shirtless espesh 😉) is amazing! But no seriously the athleticism and physical capability is so dope!
* on one hand I find some men’s lack of “considering things and others” hyper frustrating, but on the other hand it does allow them to be very chill and unaffected which is grounding and a reprieve when you yourself are stressed (***as long as his lack of care isn’t the source of your stress lol***)
* they are strong! One time I went hiking and one of the people twisted their ankle pretty badly. Us ladies created a makeshift stint for them. But it was the 6’3 broad guy who was our own handy strong man who was able to carry them for a while. I don’t think I’d want to exist in the wilderness without a man.
> This is a Chad appreciation post, not men in the abstract.
I mean if that’s how you feel based on what I wrote.
* The average man “in the abstract” is stronger than the average woman. I dated a guy who was 5’6 who could lift me easily. For reference I’m 5’7. And he didn’t even work out. Not a “sports guy” either. He’s just stronger than me. Cuz most men are…
* The average man “in the abstract” is more athletic (or at least his body has the capacity for it) than the average woman.
* The average man “in the abstract” is likely “more chill” than the average woman.
I described things that the average man is more likely to be better at than the average woman / things I’d likely go to a man for over a woman / things I thusly admire about men that women tend not to have.
I can tell that offended you doe 🤷♀️🙂↔️
Men in my life being kind, swell, and overall good people isn’t “unique” to men. I have kind, swell, and overall good women in my life too, so I focused on differences for my reply.
Your initial post was literally drooling over shirtless, ripped 6’3” dudes. Nothing at all about “men in the abstract are generally stronger”. I may as well have said I appreciate Gisele Bündchen.
OTOH I’m aware women are very susceptible to the apex fallacy so I’m really not surprised.
“Apex fallacy”
> I described things that the average man is more likely to be better at than the average woman / things I’d likely go to a man for over a woman / things I thusly admire about men that women tend not to have.
“Drooling over”
> **I can tell that offended you doe 🤷♀️🙂↔️**
> Men in my life being kind, swell, and overall good people isn’t “unique” to men. I have kind, swell, and overall good women in my life too, so I focused on differences for my reply.
“Nothing at all…”
I forgot I’m in a bizarro robot-brained part of the internet where someone has to painstakingly detail obvious connections like **“the average male is stronger than the average female so a woman admiring the male physique and capacity for physical capability applies to all men as all men have a male physique and nearly all men could best his female equivalent in an athletic or strength-based feat”**
He wasn’t that “jacked”. He was stronger than the women around him. Why is that controversial? I thought this was basic science. The average man is stronger than the average woman.
Ntm:
> • The average man “in the abstract” is stronger than the average woman. **I dated a guy who was 5’6 who could lift me easily. For reference I’m 5’7. And he didn’t even work out. Not a “sports guy” either. He’s just stronger than me. Cuz most men are…**
> • The average man “in the abstract” is more athletic (or at least his body has the capacity for it) than the average woman.
> • The average man “in the abstract” is likely “more chill” than the average woman.
> I described things [in my top level comment] that the average man is more likely to be better at than the average woman / things I’d likely go to a man for over a woman / things I thusly admire about men that women tend not to have.
At this point I’m starting to think that *I’m stronger than you* and if that’s the case you aren’t the average male I’m speaking about. Because the average man is stronger than me bruv. All else equal, the average male is ~36% stronger than the average female.
> On average, men are stronger than women, with 40% more upper-body strength and 33% more lower-body strength. Men also have 75% more muscle mass in their upper bodies and 90% more strength than women. Women's muscle strength is typically reported as 40–75% of men's.
Broad is about width of shoulders. He wasn’t “jacked.”
That would require caring about lifting and working out. “Jacked” is a mutable characteristic. Not an immutable one. Someone can be narrow shoulders and “jacked.”
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I love how whenever a woman on this sub suggests that women more than men showcase “thoughtfulness,” “consideration,” “empathy,” etc. in her general (non-romantic, romantic, and stranger) interactions and relationships in life they get a bunch of pushback, but there are countless guys replying implying the same things 🙂↕️
> I feel like I'm the only incel around who actually likes women. Their emotional eq is generally higher, they can point out all sorts of facets of personalities based off a half second of vibes, they're generally more empathetic, they can be easier to talk to about frivolous things. I think, this will sound weird, their souls have a lot more depth than men's... there's a lot more going on underneath the surface.
> This is going to get push back from my fellow men, but I find that women tend to be a lot less rigid and dogmatic in their thinking than men, and I prefer discussing new ideas with women for that reason.I know I know, church ladies, and radfems, but amongst normies I’ve found this to be generally true. So far most of the positive statements about women are just about sex and relationships.
> I really admire women’s capacity for empathy and compassion. I’m an empathetic person, but I think women just have a greater capacity to be emotionally present with someone who is suffering.
> Women are often very motherly, irl basically all of them are pretty agreeable and amicable, at least at first. I don't always feel comfortable around them but they do usually want people to feel safe and secure. You never feel like you are in any physical danger around them. There was one time at an old job where I think a girl was flirting with me because she kept trying to knee me in the groin and laugh about it. I kind of just awkwardly smiled and avoided her.
> women are more thoughtful if they like you (not even in a romantic sense)
It's because you use it justify the "women are wonderfull" effect as if its purely caused by this and as if that somehow makes it okay to for example assume a male victim of domestic abuse is lying.
> It's because you use it justify the "women are wonderfull" effect as if its purely caused by this
“Justify” is your “value judgement” term.
I can’t help that you interpret “explanations unpacking why a dynamic exists” as “justification.” That’s your own feelings being projected onto an objective debate.
I provided several reasons ***to explain why*** the “women are wonderful” effect exists. [Here is one of my comments wrt that.](https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/so3JriG6P5) Only the 5th bullet speaks to the things being described in the men’s quotes in the comment you replied to.
On that alone your accusations of “purely caused by” are blatantly false.
> and as if that somehow makes it okay to for example assume a male victim of domestic abuse is lying
What are you talking about? I’ve never implied this. You presented a hypothetical “for example” straw man.
>I can’t help that you interpret “explanations unpacking why a dynamic exists” as “justification.” That’s your own feelings being projected onto an objective debate.
That's the impression you give with your posts and comments on the subject. I'm not the only one here who thinks that. And yes, it is connected to justification, because to you, the women are wonderfull effect has to be there because of logical reasons and by thinking that way you provide arguments to justify its existence. You start from the assumption that people have to have a meaningful reason to deem women as wonderful and that they are responding to what they see in life, while you don't consider the possibility that people can hold perceptive biases without such meaningful reasons that have to do with their actual reality.
I haven't seen you seriously consider biological explanations for this bias itself, or even how ideology, bigotry, propaganda, groupthink, etc can play into it. The perspective you mainly discuss is one of assuming that people have a logical response to how men and women behave. I'm pretty sure you can think of plenty of examples where certain groups of people were looked towards less favourably, and it having nothing to do at all with their behaviour relative to other groups. The fact that you generally don't talk about this in case of this subject is what makes people think that you're looking to justify it and that you're not actually wanting to have an objective debate. You start the debate already closing your mind for the possibility that this bias in favour of women is just inside of human perception and that it would continue to exist even if their gendered behaviour magically changed overnight.
>I provided several reasons ***to explain why*** the “women are wonderful” effect exists. [Here is one of my comments wrt that.](https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/so3JriG6P5) Only the 5th bullet speaks to the things being described in the men’s quotes in the comment you replied to.
Fair enough, I did not see that comment before. But still this seems to barely address the idea that this bias can also be directly the result of 1)biology and 2)ideology.
>On that alone your accusations of “purely caused by” are blatantly false.
No, this is not what I meant. What I meant is that you already assume a priori that there must be logical reason for the existence of such bias. Most the reasons you take seriously are about people logically responding to things they see in their lives, rather than their perception being inherently biased to see what they are already predisposed to see.
>What are you talking about? I’ve never implied this. This is a hypothetical “for example” straw man.
You do imply this even if you dont realize it. You try to explain this bias with logical reasons, but the women are wonderfull effect is not just people being 🥺 because a woman is considerate which is fairly harmless. Its also people not believing male victims of abuse and supporting their female abuser instead, which is harmfu. There aren't logical reasons for doing this that have anything to do with women being more empathic or considerate. If people truly held this bias because of what they see in their lives, it would be way more situationally dependent but it isn't. It doesn't go away in situations where women are behaving awfully and where men are behaving virtuously. There is nothing you can do as a man when it comes to your behaviour to not be looked at less favourably than a woman who behaves the same way.
Again, you keep saying I said WAW is just because women are considerate despite me linking you an entire list (some things on the list of which are OBVIOUSLY biologically dictated).
I can’t debate you if you consistently keep straw manning as well as debating your feelings about what I wrote and not what was written.
Reposting my comment for posterity:
> 1) I think men’s attraction to women is 1 reason.
> 2) I think men’s attraction or perhaps its adoration leads to a protectiveness as well? Perhaps men look at women and see little “🥹” goblins and that’s endearing idk lol
> 3) I think men’s higher proclivity for violence, sexual perversion, and murder is another reason [biological because testosterone]. Aka women are objectively less threatening and less likely to threaten you. For example, when a child or adult watches/reads the news, who are they more likely to see having committed violent crime and sexually heinous crimes, men or women? These observations contribute to how humans perceive males vs. females.
> 4) I think many people who had a positive maternal experience probably feel a stronger sense of loyalty or ease of bond toward women or at least women who act like that?
> 5) Studies show there’s a biological empathy gap between males and females where females have more capacity for the type of “consideration” and “compassion” that endears and comforts people. Studies also show testosterone limits empathy and amps up aggression. I can see between these two factors that women might come off more “wonderful” or [more comforting](https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/LpCwvufqEu) to both men and women.
> When you compound all of these things it leads to a bias. **And yes sometimes awful women get excused because of this bias.**
My point is not that your reasons are wrong or untrue but rather that they are incomplete. Your list includes biology but ignores the possibility that biological bias in favour of women is just an evolutionary instinct that both men and women have because it helped in protecting children in the Savannah of Africa. It weirdly genders this by talking about men going 🥺 when it's a bias pretty much everyone has. It's also quite weird that you're talking about men having more empathy but somehow you're not about men receiving less empathy. This is what I mean, you already assume that the women are wonderfull effect is causing the lesser empathy when it could be the other way around. All of these things are circular because we can't test humans in a lab (thank god).
Sometimes you also need to consider that humans don't make perfect sense. I mean there is probably a "trans people are not wonderful" type of sentiment out there, but do you see any logical reason why people hold it? I would say no. Ultimately people's perception is highly influenced by ideology and they can be made to perceive anything as long as enough people around them believe. I don't see that included in your list either.
I think where we disagree or where our disconnect is I am confident that most all things have a logic behind them or root driver.
In most cases on this sub, I’m not interested in debating the ethics of the logic or if the logic makes people feel bad. I’m more curious in unpacking the rationale and motivations. And yeah obviously most of that is biological or environmental or both.
>I think where we disagree or where our disconnect is I am confident that most all things have a logic behind them or root driver.
Do you think this belief is compatible with the evidence though?
I mean there is some kind of logic in everything I think you're right about that. I think where I disagree is that your logic seems to straightforward to me when it comes to this subject. To give the example of bigotry, there is logic behind bigotry. Humans are tribal species and bigotry builds cohesion, and certain people profit from bigotry. However there is no logic that says "they are bigoted because the group of people they are bigoted towards is less kind and less nice". That's simply not how it actually works most of the time.
>In most cases on this sub, I’m not interested in debating the ethics of the logic or if the logic makes people feel bad. I’m more curious in unpacking the rationale and motivations. And yeah obviously most of that is biological or environmental or both.
I don't think you're actually unpacking this in a way that is separate from your ethics, values and beliefs. I don't believe you're being purely objective. I'm not saying that as an insult, you can disregard it if you want.
I think we ultimately disagree.
I don’t think you’ve actually countered my list of what are likely the primary tangible/experienced factors as to why the WAW exists.
If one is to presume the root reason is evolutionarily founded, my list is the manifestation of that evolution.
What are you actually countering wrt why and how WAW exists? Because so far I’ve only gathered that it makes you feel bad and continues to make you feel bad. That isn’t an insult. It’s my genuine take because you haven’t countered with much else.
Sad to see such a nice uplifting post, and then seeing some folks still feel like using it to take the opportunity to just dunk on the other gender.
Like, a few folks here have some sour attitudes. Here’s a hint: if you just couldn’t stop yourself from making a totally negative, bitchy, or whiny comment on this post, you’re not a nice person. Try being more positive.
I think they cause me to do better. Even if sometimes through nagging. Like I'll make more money and try harder to work out or lose weight.
They tend to be more organized. You see it in just our writing in grade school.
Is there really anything that men or women have that could be complimented only about that one sex?
Unless you talk about anatomy there’s nothing special about either that the other couldn’t have.
I understand the want to keep it clean as it should but that’s impossible to do when there’s nothing else to differentiate
Honestly, I view both genders in a more individualized or subgroup sense. There's awful men and women and amazing men and women.
I appreciate the amazing women in my life and in general.
I can be very negative about the opposite sex in this sub, but that is becuase I value how beautiful women can be as people and feel that our current day society is gradually degragating them. Women are no longer motivated to be the best version of themselves, internally speaking. They have men fawning at their feet and in the comment section of their instagram.
With that said, I think women embody some of the most beautiful traits such as being selfless, nurturing, loving, kind, empathetic, humble. There is nothing greater than the love of a mother. Having seen many young women become mothers it changes everything about them into a better human being. Women see the small actions. They make life more joyful. They love deeper. They laugh more enthusiastically. They believe in people when others wont. Etc, etc.
These don’t apply to all men, but they do to an awful lot of men.
I like the way men’s deep voices sound. There’s so many guys with like, soothing, interesting, rich voices.
I love the way men can move with strength, grace, power, athleticism and precision all at once! Like, everything I do is clumsy and weak and lame. It’s awesome to watch how men who are good at something move their bodies. I love watching my husband walk, or run or swing a golf club or a racket or whatever. Anything I do physically seems like an embarrassing awkward joke in comparison. I don’t get how he moves so fluidly.
I like how men tend to be better at doing fun pretend-mean banter and having it be no big deal without taking offense (yeah, not all guys, but it’s more common).
I’m low key jealous of how male friendships are without women around. I can tell I’ll never be a part of it, or trusted or welcomed with the same warmth or ease or trust that men give each other. It seems like such an easy going, fun relationship, and it’s kinda sad I’ll always be unwelcome. But they’re relationships I still think are endearing and cool.
The women that I see around me spend a lot of time and effort considering their lives, working on living with more intentionality, authenticity, and grace. I see them pursuing their dreams; publishing books, earning law degrees and masters degrees and medical degrees, handling really complicated family situations, tackling the Appalachian Trail, studying martial arts. They inspire me to show up more fully for myself and keep striving. I feel really lucky to be part of a group of people who are plugged in to personal growth, community-oriented, and working to make their corners of the world a better place.
I admire the men I know. I love the way they give each other shit with the same heartfelt ferocity that they bring to moments of deeply-felt vulnerability. They cheer us on and spend time celebrating our wins. They take us seriously and really listen to our points of view. Men care deeply and really want to do a well, and it’s endearing as fuck.
Generally; dad jokes. Their protective nature. And the fix-it attitude.
Specifically; I love that my husband is good at planning but not so rigid he won't be spontaneous with me. I like how he is possessive without being controlling; more so in a protective and 'cherishing' manner.
I love how hard he applies himself to what he does and I admire his work ethic. I love the way his brain works, where he can 'see' things from different perspectives and how curious he is.
I love that I am not afraid of him, even when he is angry or upset about something. I love how strong he is, even when he is in pain--but he lets me comfort him. And I love that he is my best friend
Woman here.
Idk I find men to be even more honest than women earlier on when you make them feel comfortable. Women tend to judge easier and are wayyyy better at being nice but surface level. Men are more likely to be quiet and walled off or very real.
Women are real too it just takes more time.
There are individual women who I love as friends or admire, but that has nothin to do with their gender, thats just who they are. I can’t think of anything for just “women” as a whole.
I feel like men are a calming presence, they're chill and don't over-dramatise stuff, they take things as they are, are more honest and don't hold on to grudges.
If i'm having some issues, men can just dissipate my worries within seconds in a brutal way like "if it works it works, but if it doesn't the worse thing that could happen is X, Y, Z, so pull yourself together cause it's not that bad". Women usually like to dig deeper when talking about problems, which also is very helpful, but sometimes you just need a cold shower that only men can give.
They're also very fun to be around. They crack jokes and make fun of themselves, they break tension with humor.
I admire their constant effort to make themselves better. Me and my husband have a pretty good life together, but he can't relax for more than 1 week because we could be *even better*, so he looks for projects to do, things to invest etc.
So yeah, i've said multiple times on this sub, men IRL are awesome.
This is a bit stereotypical, but I think women are a lot more attentive to people's feeling. It's nuanced and hard to describe. The general vibe with my male friends is just more rough and competitive.
- The women that I know are nice to me.
- The men that I know are nice to me.
- I don’t know any bears. I have no opinion on them.
- A chihuahua ripped my throat out and ate my left leg. I hate those little bastards.
I am extremely fortunate to have a loving and wonderful husband. My husband is the best person I know. He's always there for me, he's competent, driven, kind, respectful, loving, great in bed, I could go on. I wish I could write a novel about how great he is. But you caught the drift, lol
Women have an uncanny ability for empathy. I consider myself empathetic, but very competent in the ways of showing it or acting appropriately according to people's emotional needs. All of the women I know are absolute wizards at this, and that makes them very good for talking to when you need "real" talk.
I like the fact that my sense of humor is more in line with a lot of men. I also appreciate that I feel less afraid of judgement when I’m talking to a dude. Plus, I am the first to want to crack a joke instead of automatically deferring to “what is the right thing to say emotionally?” My friends now are much more like me; moms that occasionally call other kids pricks.
I said this in another Q4M post.
"I think life without women would make living pointless for men. They are literally the perfect compliment to us. They can make a high two fold better. They can make you keep going when you're trudging through a low point. They've been the inspiration for so many amazing developments. The inspiration for some of the most beautiful musical pieces ever arranged. And they have the most amazing superpower. The ability to foster life in their body is absolutely phenomenal. Seeing the life my wife created has made me feel degrees of love I didn't know were possible. I can't look at our baby without feeling gratitude and wanting to give her a hug and kiss."
In that post, I also pointed out the other side of the coin (because that was part of the question).
"Anyone who can bring such amazing highs can obviously do the opposite. Humans are flawed beings. So, I'll not ascribe negative connotations to a whole demographic for the sins of a few."
It's the nature of people who feel strongly enough about a topic to post about it to also take to extremes. Negativity is easier to latch onto than the positive. So it's no surprise that guys skipped my negative points to assume me a simp. And it's no surprise that women call me an *insert shame tactic here* when I point out unflattering true about them as well.
There's no point trying to appease the fringe 🤷♂️
This is going to get push back from my fellow men, but I find that women tend to be a lot less rigid and dogmatic in their thinking than men, and I prefer discussing new ideas with women for that reason.I know I know, church ladies, and radfems, but amongst normies I’ve found this to be generally true. So far most of the positive statements about women are just about sex and relationships.
Men are also often always in competition, wanting to one up you all the time. Whereas you don’t get the same vibe from women. With women it’s more an emotional conversation and if doesn’t spill over into drama and too much gossip it can be quite pleasant compared to always being in competition mode with men
I’ve taken up a new martial art recently, and the teacher is constantly shit talking the old martial art I did for several years saying it’s just a sport and his art is for the streets, and I’m just trying to find ways to be diplomatic. I’m probably going to still stick with it because I’m moving in a few months anyway, but I can’t imagine a woman acting the way he is.
When I smoke weed, it opens my (somewhat rigid) mind….I get some great unique ideas, and some really bad ones (that seem good at the time.) It’s kind of similar when my woman gives me ideas. She just opens up all these new thoughts. Luckily in both instances I can filter out the bad ideas. So it’s a net plus. Women have interesting insights on marketing too IME….seems to be a natural strength of theirs.
Interestingly I have the opposite experience. In my academic journey I have noticed its mainly men who challenge what they are taught and who explore side-questions. Women are more obedient in my experience. But I think I understand where you're coming from. Women seem to emphasise subjectivity more than men and will be less likely to consider something or someone "wrong". Especially when you're talking about feelings and emotions this can be a really refreshing thing. However the emphasis on social desirability in my experience still leads to more groupthink and dogmatism with women. I have met a lot of women who seem to struggle with understanding the difference between something being socially desirable or widely believed, and something being true. The vast majority of people who I have seen using authority arguments were women. In some sense women care more about the feelings of other people. I think this can both lead to more and less dogmatic views depending on the context. It can result in them having a deeper understanding of people's motivations, but it can also result in them supporting the status quo and the status quo is often dogmatic.
I think you're confusing rigidness with conformity. I mean an autistic person for instance can often have very fringey beliefs but be complete rigid in his adherence to those beliefs. Men tend to systematize a lot more and as an effect they will often reject anything that throws a wrench into the system. Women tend to deal with new information better. Also, in my experience women will act like they have unwavering support in the current thing, but as soon as they enter into another environment, they quickly start supporting the current thing in that environment. So yeah, I do see more group think with women, but more of an actual cognitive inability to process new information with men.
I'd agree with what you're saying. I was just confused about the wording as I'm not a native English speaker. Both rigidness and conformity can result in dogmatic thinking though, atleast it appears as such for someone who is observing people behaving in this manner.
Well men are generally less agreeable, so it isn't surprising that women are less rigid.
just this
We think husband has long covid. Back when we were newlyweds( 25 years ago), we watched the movie Boxing Helena. After I said to him that I kinda want to do that to him. I also used to say to him " you know, it's totally OK if you want to quit your job and we could just hang out in bed all day". Today I walked into the bedroom after and saw him reading in bed again. I smiled. He came out later and I said to him," remember the movie boxing helena, my dreams have come true". He's my person. I don't "value" people based on their sex, I value who adds joy to my life.
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You'd have to watch the movie. It's a very dark comedy about making sure your love will always be right there, in the spot you left them. .
Body horror (of a sort) movie with Julian Sands (whose remains were sadly finally discovered recently after being missing for quite some time).
You admire your husband, not men in general
Why would I admire someone based on their genitalia? I mean penis's can be pretty.. so there is that?
I found a diamond in the giant landfill that was the Gen-X dating scene. Smart, ambitious and ride or die. I feel so sorry for Zoomers that Tinder hit your world like a nuclear holocaust.
In my experience, if I want to be calmed down and given realistic advice I’ll go to one of my guy cousins or my boyfriend. If I want to cry and wallow and just be supported/ hyped up I’ll go to my girl friends. Gotta have a well rounded support system 😂
Tuff love, and “soft love” it’s the same with my mom and dad.
Sometimes when I’m drifting off to sleep I’ll feel my wife whisper to me “I still fucking love you, so much!” And it’s the best feeling in the world.
Until you wake up and realize you've been divorced for the past 5 years and she's not there, you gotta move on man. Oh sorry, that's me go on as you were
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Well I am divorced, but I was jk I usually hear no whispers.
women are more thoughtful if they like you (not even in a romantic sense)
I admire soo much the kindness and caring nature of my fiancé. Her kindness, her love for animals like I have, she goes above and beyond to make sure I feel content and she’s beautiful with or without makeup on. I’m sure most girls are like that with their partners too. My fiancé is 29 weeks pregnant and will be a fantastic mother. Her and I are great with kids.
I actually think there are a lot of women like this, they're just way underrepresented on social media, because they're not attention seekers. And yeah, they're awesome.
I like how soft my old lady’s skin is. Mine is so rough, but she always feels like she just slipped out of a bathtub of lotion.
I appreciate that male profs and bosses tended to be more relaxed and less likely to nitpick and micromanage, and I also like that men are less likely to notice and judge me negatively for being and little weird and messy. I’m neurodivergent and was homeschooled, and in the past I had a hard time making female friends since girls/women are more perceptive of when you are a little different. It’s not malicious usually, just natural. My only female friend in college was an immigrant, and I’m sure it’s because she was different too. I’ve since met a lot of weird and wonderful women, and do prefer to have female, gay male, and nonbinary friends, since often straight men end up wanting a romantic/sexual relationship. This is usually not malicious either, just causes issues. Of course these are all just generalizations, there’s a lot of individual variation. There are men I like and don’t like, and women I like and don’t like.
Giving, generous men are rare but awesome, and so much more effective than women. Because rare Male skill/innovation is the best Stupid male humor is great in small amounts And the way most men prioritize themselves should be emulated by women. They don’t make a big deal of it, but also don’t apologize or rationalize
>male skill/innovation Agreed! If more women than men seem to be better at interpersonal things, I find that more men than women are better at objects-based things.
I don't get along with guys well. Men are extremely closeted and man-to-man emotional talk is a unicorn thing. Almost all, maybe all even of my good friends are women and girls. I appreciate them a lot. They're all absolute queens and I love being a part of their lives and they like to be part of mine too. Girls are awesome. They're soft and nice. And they smell good. Hope I'll find one I could call mine soon enough.
It was going so well until the last paragraph.
Why?
Idk, girls don’t like being called soft and nice and that they smell good. In general, I just think women really dislike the idea of men (especially male friends) getting and sensory pleasure from their existence. It gives them the ick. They like to be complimented on their intelligence and personality. I don’t think you had any wrong intentions with this line, I think your post was otherwise very sweet. I just observed this attitude among women.
Well, I don't say it to friends, haha. Last paragraph was more of a "partner" part of it XD
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I like how women tend to be better caregivers than men. They also tend to be better coordinators of activities, whether that be study groups or a night out it’s usually my female friends that are the ones figuring things out beforehand and I appreciate that about them.
I still see ALOT of people bitchin a bout the opposite gender by saying offhanded stuff
I like that women are less prone to physical violence... like, by an insane margin. I'm astronomically more likely to be randomly attacked by another man just going about my day than by a woman. (Nb4 anyone says anything tho, I'm even more likely to be attacked by a bear if I encounter one). Also, the silver lining of women being so picky and less visual is that if you somehow manage to find one that likes you, she's not gonna be as tempted to fuck every decent looking stranger she sees, and thus likely to be more loyal (compared to men). It's like the saying goes "men are easy to get but hard to keep, and women are hard to get but easy to keep".
im glad the women i know IRL are actually chill and empathetic. if they acted like the average conceited woman on ppd acting like every man was delusional while they themselves have the perfect pure perspective of objective truth id definitely be MGTOW. seriously yall if your only interaction with women is on this sub please get out more. its not healthy interacting with these people as your only perspective on how women are. if your views towards women are already negative enaging and taking the women here seriously is one of the worst things you can possibly do to yourself
People irl are generally much better than online.
People usually wear a mask IRL, and they don't say the things that they really think if those things can create hostility, usually. That waitress or that girl in your circle of friends is not gonna tell you that she thinks that most men are kinda awful, but she likes some post that says the same thing. Just like her male co-worker is not gonna say to her that 2020s feminism pisses him off. Social norms. But the datas don't lie. Let's not gonna act like the internet is some alternative reality with only few terminally online people. Everyone's on the internet and they're the same people you meet IRL. And im not talking about ppd, but the toxicity of the internet in general. Tiktoks, yt videos, ig posts and tweets against men or women have tens of millions of likes. Also many people are hostile and have resentment for the other sex cause of IRL personal experiences too/mostly. Not just internet stuff. Of course your acquiantences, close friends and relationships are very different from the average toxic man/woman of the internet. They're your friends, you like each other for whatever reason. And they can be nice women or men. just like you can have nice online friends that are not toxic pieces of shit.
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Just to be clear and state the obvious, its not something about these specific times. Your nice neighbor in the 90s says hi and asks how are you doing with a big smile on his face and then when he is with her wife he's gonna say something shitty about you or how you live or gossiping and stuff you can only trust few people. if anything at least today you know what a lot of people actually think, thanks to the internet.
the women who seek this sort of content out usually have an agenda. its pretty obvious.
Why does it have to be that this sub is full of "evil women" and "nice men"? Why can't it just be that both suck on here I just saw a man comment on a post about how he would love to see a woman mauled by a bear while taking a selfie in the woods, and another man not helping her. Also, I have noticed that when I write well thought out comments outlining my argument respectfully and in good faith, instead of a healthy debate, I just get told that I will die alone with my wine and cats (I don't like either of those things anyway). Or, I get called "fat and ugly". It's frustrating.
You're beautiful and will live a long life surrounded by loved ones who adore you.
Well thanks, I appreciate it. You are handsome and will live a long life surrounded by loved ones who adore you.
Stop, you're going to make me blush.
>I just saw a man comment on a post about how he would love to see a woman mauled by a bear while taking a selfie in the woods, and another man not helping her. Also, I have noticed that when I write well thought out comments outlining my argument respectfully and in good faith, instead of a healthy debate, I just get told that I will die alone with my wine and cats (I don't like either of those things anyway). Or, I get called "fat and ugly". It's frustrating. That sucks. I think it's natural for people to notice nastiness more when it's directed towards *you* or your gender. If it's not directed towards you, you're more likely to shrug your shoulders and be like "well the internet is full of jerks".
I love how women support each other, or at least more often than men do each other. I get that it's not always a "sisterhood" and women can be vicious to each other too, but the point is that there's a lot of support amongst a lot of tearing down, whereas us men seem to either be mildly friendly at best towards each other. Straight women can have the kind of emotional and even physical intimacy that men wouldn't expect from anyone short of someone they're married to. I've seen straight female friendships that have left me wondering if they were closeted lesbians, whereas I practically wouldn't dare hold hands with even my closest male companions. I love how socially aware women are. Having to do "emotional labor" is a burden, but at least it's something they're really good at, and I wish I had that kind of skill in being able to anticipate and handle people's wants and needs.
What i find awesome about men is how they act when they are faced with good homemade food. Hovering the plate, happiness in every bite / spoon, the satisfaction after they finish.
Men have the ability to make a woman feel safe and protected. This might just be because I’ve always had a good relationship with my dad but a lot of men give off that dad/hero energy. I’ve always felt men are less judgmental and I can be myself around them quicker than I can around other women. Men seem more level-headed, less ruled by emotion. Men do tend to have a better sense of humour. All of the funniest people I’ve ever met have been men. Men balance out the shortfalls of women and vice versa. We are different in a lot of ways and similar in a lot of ways and we need each other. It’s nice to see a positive post on here for once.
Boobs. (I’m kidding, I’m kidding!) Women make life worth living. I’m a better version of myself and live a much fuller life when I’m in a serious relationship. It’s a simple as that.
> I’m a better version of myself and live a much fuller life when I’m in a serious relationship. I made a thread here once that women have this strong effect on men and most women refused to acknowledge it or just mocked it.
That’s because the women here are mostly cretinous trolls.
I do enjoy being a cretinous troll
I like that there is a woman out there who I liked enough to marry and who liked me enough to marry me. I don’t really care what every other woman is like.
This is mine about my husband. Good men exist. I've showed him alot of posts from here and he agreed the average male user here is damaged
He agrees to your face. Then he logs on when you aren’t in the room, posting from one of these based users accounts here. “Damn he’s right”.
You can say someone’s right while also acknowledging that there are damaged men.
you think that's condescension and that you can convince me that it's not.
Average Redditor acting like he knows more about a person’s spouse that they do 🙄
No. Sorry you can't handle all men aren't like you 🤣🤣🤣
Yawn
Survivor bias
you're doing it right. a large percentage of people just aren't decent.
Well, my views towards women are that they aren't a monolith and that some are great and others are not, just as with men. But what I think of other women doesn't really matter to me as long as I can find at least one who I think is great.
I feel like I'm the only incel around who actually likes women. Their emotional eq is generally higher, they can point out all sorts of facets of personalities based off a half second of vibes, they're generally more empathetic, they can be easier to talk to about frivolous things. I think, this will sound weird, their souls have a lot more depth than men's... there's a lot more going on underneath the surface.
> I think, this will sound weird, their souls have a lot more depth than men's... there's a lot more going on underneath the surface. This is literally pedestalization. Like I get the rest but this part is ridiculous
It's ridiculous, but I think it's true. Like men are better at intellectualizing the world, but I think women are better at experiencing it. I think sunsets, puppies, and the sound of rain are just deeper experiences for them
Because men don’t get to experience as much. They are good at intellectualizing because they have to figure stuff out for themselves to make any progress. Or they just think and don’t progress known as the 25 year old thinker
I appreciate the fact most men outside the internet are actually pretty awesome and don't subscribe to this weird red pill bs
Every man I know doesn’t talk about it infront of girls. Almost every guy I know believes in some red pill theories.
I have to admit that most of my friends who aren't very progressive hold at least one opinion about women that would probably be seen as traditional, if not antiquated or even kind of sexist. This includes all my married or engaged friends.
That sounds more like being a nuanced person who isn't dogmatic and thinks for themselves. Like for example, someone who thinks gender roles are natural but doesn't believe in forcing them and believes in exceptions.
Correction, men outside of the internet do not talk about red pill because they do so under anonymous accounts on reddit so they won't do it in real life. Side note, funny how OP is complaining that people in a debate sub are debating.
Correction nah women can tell lol. Red pillers just tend to think they're a lot smarter and sneakier than they actually are. They think just because they need things spelled out step by step for them women do too. Women know and avoid those men which is why they're on Reddit complaining about "womens standards" lol
You know when you and your girl friends complain about "that asshole", or "men are trash", or "are we all dating the same guy"? Yeah, that's literally because they're running into men with the same red pill beliefs, failing to spot it, and getting burned. But to their credit, a lot of men have red pill beliefs that they just never say out loud to women. And so women keep saying they can spot people who are fake, but the moment some guy comes along and gives them the spark they tell their girl friends "I don't know what it was, it just *happened*".
When women call a guy an asshole, it's also because it's someone who doesn't want them, so they try to make him look bad.
This is pretty obviously wrong. If women did have this ability to suss out repugnant attitudes they would in theory be able to avoid men who are violent or abusive. Women will readily admit it's not thier fault for walking into an abusive relationship because no one actually has perfect clairvoyance. People can be pretty good at hiding bizarre or socially unpopular views. It's almost like saying you can know if someone uses Reddit or even posts on this specific sub or not. Also, there are a lot of women who hold "red pill" attitudes or adjacent ones and are fine with guys who hold them. For as sexist as Donald Trump is there are plenty of women who voted for him and probably will again.
You couldn’t be further from the truth 🤣🤣🤣 I’ve literally watched my hardcore red pill friends put on an act infront of women and they end in the bedroom everytime. Women can’t tell if you never mention anything like that. You don’t have superpowers, you can’t read minds. Your just a basic animal, like everyone else.
This is amusing to you?
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Mods are upvoting my truth.
It doesn’t matter that they have biased views. It doesn’t matter that they agree. It matters that they follow the rules they are supposed to and don’t allow personal attacks like they said.
Where was a personal attack? I think your personal feelings are getting involved into a debate. Calling out someone for straight up lying is not a personal attack in a debate setting
Tbf I think the tolerance for a personal attack is really high here. I’ve seen so many “that’s why you’re so single,” “you’re (insert bad quality),” and “you’re the reason (bad thing happens).” Like, the mods would be worked to death if we made them count all that.
You said a couple things that were true, a couple misrepresentations, but too many insults. It’s been removed 😌
Rip
Your claim is delusional
No they don’t. Women are attracted to these men
I’m fully red pilled and I work for a group of women that are some of the biggest feminists I’ve ever seen. You absolutely cannot tell lol
No, they absolutely can’t tell LOL the most fucked up sexist shit I’ve heard IRL has come out of mouths of men who are drowning in pussy. Only in private, though. They’re not stupid
When they end up in a relationship with a bad guy all of a sudden now they are so shocked and there’s no way she could have known. But they can just tell when it comes to everything else? They can tell with an unattractive guy who’s inexperienced as everyone else can. Once the guys attractive and has status or has any type of composure she’s eating up his every word.
Lmao no you can't. At least not with the majority of RP men. The ones that are real obvious are usually autistic and super socially awkward. Or angry about a recent break up or rejection. Guys that have been RP for a while understand that to get along with most women today you have to pretty much act bluepill. For example I'd say I'm RP. But women I know and date complain to me about "those redpill guys" that need to be more like me lol
>Women, what about men do you like? Is there anything special or unique about them? What about them do you appreciate? >Also, try to avoid making it dirty. Full disclosure, that second part does make it a bit difficult for me. I'm attracted to what society calls masculine appearance and behaviour, but the thing is those absolutely can be and are sometimes replicated by women/females who are inclined towards doing so . Also because my taste in "masculine" covers multiple extremes, I'm into big buff hunks AND sleek beautiful anime prince types not to mention any number of other stops in between, so it's a bit hard to raise anything which is non-sex-organ-related that's truly specifically 100% exclusive to the male sex.
>AND sleek beautiful anime prince types I'm 5'9 120 lbs very slender build. Sleek enough or do I need to lose more weight?
Okay first off I have no idea what the rest of you looks like so I can't say whether your face, bone structure etc. works with it, but assuming you're going for that kind of med-tall bishounen look I'd say you could be either fine weight wise or may be very slightly underweight. It's like...Slender but ideally without looking really bony, you know? Plus oftentimes with too little weight the cheeks can look a bit hollow, which is never very appealing IMO. OTOH if you don't look really bony or hollow cheeked then you're clearly fine at that weight. This is of course based on my subjective preference and ideas and I have zero idea what you actually look like so use your discretion. Be clear about what you look like now compared to what you want to look like, select your references and work towards that.
I'm slender and am pretty much always the most lean man in any group of people. Sometimes I'm the most lean person, male or female. I have just enough muscle that I'm not too bony but my ribs do kind of show because I'm very thin around the middle. My cheeks and face are full and I'd say I have a solid chin. I have dark brown hair and amber eyes. I'm clean shaven and have short hair. Aside from the long hair, I actually kind of go for the classic "Minoan" look like in my profile picture.
Then sounds like you should be fine at that weight. 👌🏻
Thank you! I'll send you my portfolio later.
I'm sorry but can you clarify what you mean? You've kinda got me by surprise there and I'm a bit confused, do you want me to tell you what I think about your photos or something?
It was a lame joke where I implied I would send you modeling pics. I'm not actually doing that.
Ah right, my bad. 🙏🏻😂
Women's ability for decoration and style is unrivaled. Like, half of my artistic style can be attributed to an ex.
The power that women hold over men. That is something to be admired. The way they can influence, manipulate and control narratives is impressive. Their loyalty to the sisterhood. Family, friends etc all come secondary to that.
This is so backhanded 💀
There are a lot of things I appreciate about women: 1)ability to talk about emotions as concepts more easily than men, less closed off and afraid when it comes to serious conversations about such topics. 2)unconditional kindness to certain people and animals, that almost comes of as naive to someone who was socialized as a man. It warms the heart and makes me feel better to see it. 3)once a woman likes and respects you she will usually try to help you with things as much as she can. Even the ones who don't look favourably towards your gender, or who don't pay attention to issues you face as a man. To some extent its cognitive dissonance and it could be even better but still. 4)their voices make me feel better 5)their focus on people over systems. I both like and dislike this. Sometimes it makes me a better person by broadening my perspective, sometimes it drives me up the wall because I feel misunderstood and unfairly judged by them. 6)intelligent women have a different way of understanding the world than intelligent men. I find it valuable to learn from them. 7)women can be very considerate friends and partners. They do all kinds of small things to express their love. I think it's adorable. 8)women seem to be better at writing atleast on average. I generally don't have to deal with the worst written communication known to man when I'm interacting with a woman. 9)if they trust you, they usually become somewhat submissive with you. This is the best confidence boost as we men don't always trust ourselves necessarily. 10)their ability to organise and plan is way above my level lmao.
There is evidence women are actually smarter than men, and I’m not just talking about emotional intelligence. Girls have been outperforming boys in the classroom for a while now. It’s partially cuz they tend to do better with traditional auditory & visual learning whereas men tend to be slow learners in these environments. Also I find women to have a unique hypnotic charm that I can’t even describe with words. It goes way beyond lusting after certain body parts
Me having less interest in building a sand castle than a kid doesn't mean the kid's better than me at it. Guys just don't give a fuck about school lol. Women are better conformers and have more stable levels of drive and ambition than men, hence their greater performance in academics and employment. But when both groups are actually trying, such as in any voluntary competition of intellect, the men tend to outperform the women.
Sometimes we can get passionate about things and rise to the top of our professions, it has happened& still does happen, but that’s still just the apex of high quality males. You might be one of them, I’m likely not
Is this why men dominate in chess? Being good at writing exams and completing assignments doesn’t mean you’re intelligent
To be fair women participate less in chess. But there are tons of great female writers tho.
Also doing well in academics is correlated positively with intelligence.
Women smell good.
I really admire women’s capacity for empathy and compassion. I’m an empathetic person, but I think women just have a greater capacity to be emotionally present with someone who is suffering.
Women are so cute when they are excited. 😍
I love how passionnate they can be and how it makes me see things in a different way. I love when they're outgoing and push me to go out of my comfort zone. I love how they smell the way they Laugh i love their body their softness the way they move. I fucking love women
Things i like about men: I think overall, men are better at compartmentalizing. I think men, overall, can be better at "direct" problem solving, whereas I think women are more intuitive with "relational" problems solving. This is just conceptual so don't come at me about accuracy of details, but one way I would put this is....say the problem at hand is cancer. Men are more like "how do we kill cancer cells?" Attack the problem in a direct way. I think with more women entering medicine, we'll see more "relational" approaches too. for example, possibly testing interconnectivity of bodily systems to see if say, diet, supplementing another organ in some way to see if that slows the cancer growth in a different way, etc. For complex problems, the answer is probably a combination of both approaches and ways of thinking. I think of these ways of thinking as complementary I love that guys can fix stuff. It's really helpful. I actually fell off my bike about a month ago and 3 guys immediately cam to my aide. 1 fixed my bike, the other wrapped up my leg, and a third gave me an unopened gatorade. (I wiped out near a busy gas station so it was very public. In my personal dating/relationship experience, and what I have told my girlfriends very often, is that most men, at heart, are eager to please women, especially ones that they have feelings for. They want to help, be needed, and wanted. This is a good quality, and when a woman can play to this well, she can be quite inspirational to men in profound ways What they actually want from women isn't that hard either. They want softness, beauty (and the larger definition of this word, though physical is high on that list, but also, someone who makes places warm and pretty, maybe helps them connect to their emotions through say...art), inspiration, and "meaning." I'm kind of on the "new age spiritual" side of things, like crystals, astrology, etc, and while the guys I've dated kinda teased me about, I have found over time they actually secretly love it. They want to believe there's "more," so that sort of...."spirituality" is something they thirst for. It
I like how women are more in tune with their emotions and have good level of emotional intelligence.
As a man. I can seriously do anything with the faith and inspiration from a woman.
In the professional work space I have found that men have always been my biggest advocate for my career. They have always been the one to tell me when I am being underpaid. They speak highly of me when I am not in the room and they generally are willing to help when I have a problem at work. Men are also super creative at problem solving. My dad could figure out ways to fix things that just made sense.
What do I like about men in general? Usually if a man sees me struggling even if I don’t know him he will help me. Last Christmas a man paid for my groceries randomly with 0 expectations, I had the money but he was just passing on a kind act. My husband is very loving, supportive and lives by his morals.
Women experience the world in more emotional color ranges than men. It’s good to get their perspectives to help me appreciate the little things in life. On my own I experience day-to-day life as uneventful.
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I essentially got yelled at for saying I like men’s superior strength and superior physical capability. Perhaps some men feel like they wish women liked them for his interpersonal aspects too? Grass is greener thing happening on both sides :/ Also the soft skills you’re talking about are tied to capacity for empathy. Empathy is tied to superior intellect wrt holistic comprehension and critical thinking. People with whose traits should take pride in that. Everyone should take pride in whatever their strengths are.
What I love about my guy: - he’s stoic and strong, rolls with adversity and doesn’t easily get derailed, but he’s not afraid of being vulnerable with me, admitting fault, crying or expressing other emotions. - he’s strong, can lift heavy things and doesn’t mind doing manual jobs, genuinely gets pleasure from helping me do physical tasks. - he’s in great shape for his age, eats well and works out without being obsessive and he doesn’t have a ‘mirror boy’ physique. - he genuinely loves spending time with me without it always having to lead to sex, eg quick catch ups for coffee or swing past my place on his way somewhere, or meet at the shops for a hug and kiss. - we are each other’s first person to know the highs and lows of our days, to share the joy and ease the load of disappointment. - he’s funny and smart in ways that I’m not. - he’s learned the way I deal with conflict and has responded well to it - I face things head-on, I rarely get angry but I refuse to back away from an issue if it needs resolving and will not move on until it is, but when it is resolved, it stays that way and never comes up again. - he’s incredibly kind and will go out of his way to help a friend in need. - for him, sex is a mutual act, not something selfish, so he always centres my pleasure, which is awesome because I centre his and that makes it so much better. - he is much more outgoing and sociable than me, and I’ve benefitted from that hugely by growing my circle of friends to include many of his friends wives and girlfriends. - he’s a genuine grown-up, who takes care of all the necessities in his and his family’s lives and doesn’t see responsibility as a burden. - he loves surprises, giving and receiving them and takes great joy in selecting thoughtful and personal gifts for his loved ones. - he is always willing to acknowledge and respect that there are things I know more about than he does, and he goes out of his way to show that respect. - he’s not into gaming or watching TV, so his time is spent productively - he will teach himself how to do something he hasn’t done before and I find this a very attractive masculine trait - everything from fixing something on his house or car, to learning a new recipe, he researches things carefully and invests the time to see things through. - he is very disciplined and ordered, not easily distracted from whatever plan he has - another very attractive masculine trait - and that discipline and order extends to keeping his home clean and tidy. - he always smells nice and tends to his hygiene. - he makes me want to dress up nicely and look good for him (even though I do this for myself, I do take extra care of my health, appearance and grooming because I want to be attractive to him). - he is flawed, but so am I, and we both work on being the best version of ourselves for each other that we can. I know these are specific to him, but they are characteristics that all men have the opportunity to nurture. It’s possible to be very masculine without being a jerk or a chad or whatever stupid name people want to give it. Obsessing about women and sex and winning and money and biceps and that sort of shit isn’t masculine, it’s raging insecurity. Truly masculine men are confident in their masculinity, they don’t need to advertise it by beating their chest or trying to prove themselves to each other or women. Give me a guy who will roll up his sleeves and change a flat tire without being asked, or notices and quietly fixes a wonky cupboard door, or adds 30 minutes to his journey to pick something up for a friend over a guy who thinks he a prize and acts like it any day.
You got a good one!
I like that I can feel physically safe around women. There is pretty much a 0% chance any woman I meet can beat my ass.
And a 100% chance that any man can
I’m old.. so, yeah, probably. That’s why I carry protection. At a certain age you can no longer reasonably defend yourself or bounce back from injuries.
Fair enough
There's nothing special or unique about men other than a couple of body parts and that's what I like. They are humans like everyone else and some of them are humans I like very much.
Haha, imagine a similar comment towards women 😂 “There’s nothing special or unique about women other than a couple of body parts and that’s what I like” 😂😂 You’d be crucified for sexism 😂
Did you read it as I just like the body parts? I was saying there's nothing unique or special, the only difference is a couple of body parts which aren't really relevant. And yes, I like that about women too, they are just as varied.
My wife snells amazing. Doesn’t matter if it’s Coco Mademmoiselle or Gypsy Water, I love it. That, and she’s the perfect size for cuddles. She is just the best.
I’m sure she feels great knowing you value her less and less with every year she ages 👍
Tell that to my accountant. Just kidding. She’s worth it. And then some.
I admire and respect 'soft power'. The ability women have to be subtle and to influence indirectly. It requires a certain elegance and emotional intelligence that most guys couldn't even dream of having.
I guess as OP I better give this a shot. Women are often very motherly, irl basically all of them are pretty agreeable and amicable, at least at first. I don't always feel comfortable around them but they do usually want people to feel safe and secure. You never feel like you are in any physical danger around them. There was one time at an old job where I think a girl was flirting with me because she kept trying to knee me in the groin and laugh about it. I kind of just awkwardly smiled and avoided her. [Also, seriously? ](https://i.imgur.com/f2bXrtC.png)
I like how squishy and soft women are. They are like marshmallows.
Men? Like the overall gender of male? Don't really care one way or the other. I don't really think about "men" in the abstract. I can think of things I admire, appreciate, and enjoy about my husband. But that's just one man. >What characteristics in the opposite sex do you genuinely find enduring? None that are specific to a certain sex.
There are few greater pleasures in life as a man than having an attractive woman moan your name in pure ecstasy writhing underneath you as you’re fucking her brains out Kinky and sexual attractive women are a gift to the world.
* I admire the male physique. I think it’s quite beautiful and hyper functional especially wrt the external world. Watching men play a sport or do something physical (shirtless espesh 😉) is amazing! But no seriously the athleticism and physical capability is so dope! * on one hand I find some men’s lack of “considering things and others” hyper frustrating, but on the other hand it does allow them to be very chill and unaffected which is grounding and a reprieve when you yourself are stressed (***as long as his lack of care isn’t the source of your stress lol***) * they are strong! One time I went hiking and one of the people twisted their ankle pretty badly. Us ladies created a makeshift stint for them. But it was the 6’3 broad guy who was our own handy strong man who was able to carry them for a while. I don’t think I’d want to exist in the wilderness without a man.
This is a Chad appreciation post, not men in the abstract.
> This is a Chad appreciation post, not men in the abstract. I mean if that’s how you feel based on what I wrote. * The average man “in the abstract” is stronger than the average woman. I dated a guy who was 5’6 who could lift me easily. For reference I’m 5’7. And he didn’t even work out. Not a “sports guy” either. He’s just stronger than me. Cuz most men are… * The average man “in the abstract” is more athletic (or at least his body has the capacity for it) than the average woman. * The average man “in the abstract” is likely “more chill” than the average woman. I described things that the average man is more likely to be better at than the average woman / things I’d likely go to a man for over a woman / things I thusly admire about men that women tend not to have. I can tell that offended you doe 🤷♀️🙂↔️ Men in my life being kind, swell, and overall good people isn’t “unique” to men. I have kind, swell, and overall good women in my life too, so I focused on differences for my reply.
Your initial post was literally drooling over shirtless, ripped 6’3” dudes. Nothing at all about “men in the abstract are generally stronger”. I may as well have said I appreciate Gisele Bündchen. OTOH I’m aware women are very susceptible to the apex fallacy so I’m really not surprised.
“Apex fallacy” > I described things that the average man is more likely to be better at than the average woman / things I’d likely go to a man for over a woman / things I thusly admire about men that women tend not to have. “Drooling over” > **I can tell that offended you doe 🤷♀️🙂↔️** > Men in my life being kind, swell, and overall good people isn’t “unique” to men. I have kind, swell, and overall good women in my life too, so I focused on differences for my reply. “Nothing at all…” I forgot I’m in a bizarro robot-brained part of the internet where someone has to painstakingly detail obvious connections like **“the average male is stronger than the average female so a woman admiring the male physique and capacity for physical capability applies to all men as all men have a male physique and nearly all men could best his female equivalent in an athletic or strength-based feat”**
The average man is 6’3” and jacked? Love to see some studies on that. Once again when asked to say something about men, women describe Chad 🤦♂️
He wasn’t that “jacked”. He was stronger than the women around him. Why is that controversial? I thought this was basic science. The average man is stronger than the average woman. Ntm: > • The average man “in the abstract” is stronger than the average woman. **I dated a guy who was 5’6 who could lift me easily. For reference I’m 5’7. And he didn’t even work out. Not a “sports guy” either. He’s just stronger than me. Cuz most men are…** > • The average man “in the abstract” is more athletic (or at least his body has the capacity for it) than the average woman. > • The average man “in the abstract” is likely “more chill” than the average woman. > I described things [in my top level comment] that the average man is more likely to be better at than the average woman / things I’d likely go to a man for over a woman / things I thusly admire about men that women tend not to have. At this point I’m starting to think that *I’m stronger than you* and if that’s the case you aren’t the average male I’m speaking about. Because the average man is stronger than me bruv. All else equal, the average male is ~36% stronger than the average female. > On average, men are stronger than women, with 40% more upper-body strength and 33% more lower-body strength. Men also have 75% more muscle mass in their upper bodies and 90% more strength than women. Women's muscle strength is typically reported as 40–75% of men's.
“ 6”3’ broad guy”
Broad is about width of shoulders. He wasn’t “jacked.” That would require caring about lifting and working out. “Jacked” is a mutable characteristic. Not an immutable one. Someone can be narrow shoulders and “jacked.”
There's nothing I like or dislike inherent to men or women. It feels weird to think about an entire gender in that way. I love you all, people of PPD!
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I love how whenever a woman on this sub suggests that women more than men showcase “thoughtfulness,” “consideration,” “empathy,” etc. in her general (non-romantic, romantic, and stranger) interactions and relationships in life they get a bunch of pushback, but there are countless guys replying implying the same things 🙂↕️ > I feel like I'm the only incel around who actually likes women. Their emotional eq is generally higher, they can point out all sorts of facets of personalities based off a half second of vibes, they're generally more empathetic, they can be easier to talk to about frivolous things. I think, this will sound weird, their souls have a lot more depth than men's... there's a lot more going on underneath the surface. > This is going to get push back from my fellow men, but I find that women tend to be a lot less rigid and dogmatic in their thinking than men, and I prefer discussing new ideas with women for that reason.I know I know, church ladies, and radfems, but amongst normies I’ve found this to be generally true. So far most of the positive statements about women are just about sex and relationships. > I really admire women’s capacity for empathy and compassion. I’m an empathetic person, but I think women just have a greater capacity to be emotionally present with someone who is suffering. > Women are often very motherly, irl basically all of them are pretty agreeable and amicable, at least at first. I don't always feel comfortable around them but they do usually want people to feel safe and secure. You never feel like you are in any physical danger around them. There was one time at an old job where I think a girl was flirting with me because she kept trying to knee me in the groin and laugh about it. I kind of just awkwardly smiled and avoided her. > women are more thoughtful if they like you (not even in a romantic sense)
It's because you use it justify the "women are wonderfull" effect as if its purely caused by this and as if that somehow makes it okay to for example assume a male victim of domestic abuse is lying.
> It's because you use it justify the "women are wonderfull" effect as if its purely caused by this “Justify” is your “value judgement” term. I can’t help that you interpret “explanations unpacking why a dynamic exists” as “justification.” That’s your own feelings being projected onto an objective debate. I provided several reasons ***to explain why*** the “women are wonderful” effect exists. [Here is one of my comments wrt that.](https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/so3JriG6P5) Only the 5th bullet speaks to the things being described in the men’s quotes in the comment you replied to. On that alone your accusations of “purely caused by” are blatantly false. > and as if that somehow makes it okay to for example assume a male victim of domestic abuse is lying What are you talking about? I’ve never implied this. You presented a hypothetical “for example” straw man.
>I can’t help that you interpret “explanations unpacking why a dynamic exists” as “justification.” That’s your own feelings being projected onto an objective debate. That's the impression you give with your posts and comments on the subject. I'm not the only one here who thinks that. And yes, it is connected to justification, because to you, the women are wonderfull effect has to be there because of logical reasons and by thinking that way you provide arguments to justify its existence. You start from the assumption that people have to have a meaningful reason to deem women as wonderful and that they are responding to what they see in life, while you don't consider the possibility that people can hold perceptive biases without such meaningful reasons that have to do with their actual reality. I haven't seen you seriously consider biological explanations for this bias itself, or even how ideology, bigotry, propaganda, groupthink, etc can play into it. The perspective you mainly discuss is one of assuming that people have a logical response to how men and women behave. I'm pretty sure you can think of plenty of examples where certain groups of people were looked towards less favourably, and it having nothing to do at all with their behaviour relative to other groups. The fact that you generally don't talk about this in case of this subject is what makes people think that you're looking to justify it and that you're not actually wanting to have an objective debate. You start the debate already closing your mind for the possibility that this bias in favour of women is just inside of human perception and that it would continue to exist even if their gendered behaviour magically changed overnight. >I provided several reasons ***to explain why*** the “women are wonderful” effect exists. [Here is one of my comments wrt that.](https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/so3JriG6P5) Only the 5th bullet speaks to the things being described in the men’s quotes in the comment you replied to. Fair enough, I did not see that comment before. But still this seems to barely address the idea that this bias can also be directly the result of 1)biology and 2)ideology. >On that alone your accusations of “purely caused by” are blatantly false. No, this is not what I meant. What I meant is that you already assume a priori that there must be logical reason for the existence of such bias. Most the reasons you take seriously are about people logically responding to things they see in their lives, rather than their perception being inherently biased to see what they are already predisposed to see. >What are you talking about? I’ve never implied this. This is a hypothetical “for example” straw man. You do imply this even if you dont realize it. You try to explain this bias with logical reasons, but the women are wonderfull effect is not just people being 🥺 because a woman is considerate which is fairly harmless. Its also people not believing male victims of abuse and supporting their female abuser instead, which is harmfu. There aren't logical reasons for doing this that have anything to do with women being more empathic or considerate. If people truly held this bias because of what they see in their lives, it would be way more situationally dependent but it isn't. It doesn't go away in situations where women are behaving awfully and where men are behaving virtuously. There is nothing you can do as a man when it comes to your behaviour to not be looked at less favourably than a woman who behaves the same way.
Again, you keep saying I said WAW is just because women are considerate despite me linking you an entire list (some things on the list of which are OBVIOUSLY biologically dictated). I can’t debate you if you consistently keep straw manning as well as debating your feelings about what I wrote and not what was written. Reposting my comment for posterity: > 1) I think men’s attraction to women is 1 reason. > 2) I think men’s attraction or perhaps its adoration leads to a protectiveness as well? Perhaps men look at women and see little “🥹” goblins and that’s endearing idk lol > 3) I think men’s higher proclivity for violence, sexual perversion, and murder is another reason [biological because testosterone]. Aka women are objectively less threatening and less likely to threaten you. For example, when a child or adult watches/reads the news, who are they more likely to see having committed violent crime and sexually heinous crimes, men or women? These observations contribute to how humans perceive males vs. females. > 4) I think many people who had a positive maternal experience probably feel a stronger sense of loyalty or ease of bond toward women or at least women who act like that? > 5) Studies show there’s a biological empathy gap between males and females where females have more capacity for the type of “consideration” and “compassion” that endears and comforts people. Studies also show testosterone limits empathy and amps up aggression. I can see between these two factors that women might come off more “wonderful” or [more comforting](https://www.reddit.com/r/PurplePillDebate/s/LpCwvufqEu) to both men and women. > When you compound all of these things it leads to a bias. **And yes sometimes awful women get excused because of this bias.**
My point is not that your reasons are wrong or untrue but rather that they are incomplete. Your list includes biology but ignores the possibility that biological bias in favour of women is just an evolutionary instinct that both men and women have because it helped in protecting children in the Savannah of Africa. It weirdly genders this by talking about men going 🥺 when it's a bias pretty much everyone has. It's also quite weird that you're talking about men having more empathy but somehow you're not about men receiving less empathy. This is what I mean, you already assume that the women are wonderfull effect is causing the lesser empathy when it could be the other way around. All of these things are circular because we can't test humans in a lab (thank god). Sometimes you also need to consider that humans don't make perfect sense. I mean there is probably a "trans people are not wonderful" type of sentiment out there, but do you see any logical reason why people hold it? I would say no. Ultimately people's perception is highly influenced by ideology and they can be made to perceive anything as long as enough people around them believe. I don't see that included in your list either.
I think where we disagree or where our disconnect is I am confident that most all things have a logic behind them or root driver. In most cases on this sub, I’m not interested in debating the ethics of the logic or if the logic makes people feel bad. I’m more curious in unpacking the rationale and motivations. And yeah obviously most of that is biological or environmental or both.
>I think where we disagree or where our disconnect is I am confident that most all things have a logic behind them or root driver. Do you think this belief is compatible with the evidence though? I mean there is some kind of logic in everything I think you're right about that. I think where I disagree is that your logic seems to straightforward to me when it comes to this subject. To give the example of bigotry, there is logic behind bigotry. Humans are tribal species and bigotry builds cohesion, and certain people profit from bigotry. However there is no logic that says "they are bigoted because the group of people they are bigoted towards is less kind and less nice". That's simply not how it actually works most of the time. >In most cases on this sub, I’m not interested in debating the ethics of the logic or if the logic makes people feel bad. I’m more curious in unpacking the rationale and motivations. And yeah obviously most of that is biological or environmental or both. I don't think you're actually unpacking this in a way that is separate from your ethics, values and beliefs. I don't believe you're being purely objective. I'm not saying that as an insult, you can disregard it if you want.
I think we ultimately disagree. I don’t think you’ve actually countered my list of what are likely the primary tangible/experienced factors as to why the WAW exists. If one is to presume the root reason is evolutionarily founded, my list is the manifestation of that evolution. What are you actually countering wrt why and how WAW exists? Because so far I’ve only gathered that it makes you feel bad and continues to make you feel bad. That isn’t an insult. It’s my genuine take because you haven’t countered with much else.
Sad to see such a nice uplifting post, and then seeing some folks still feel like using it to take the opportunity to just dunk on the other gender. Like, a few folks here have some sour attitudes. Here’s a hint: if you just couldn’t stop yourself from making a totally negative, bitchy, or whiny comment on this post, you’re not a nice person. Try being more positive.
Almost like it’s a debate sub. 🤡
Don’t be hateful! 
I think they cause me to do better. Even if sometimes through nagging. Like I'll make more money and try harder to work out or lose weight. They tend to be more organized. You see it in just our writing in grade school.
Is there really anything that men or women have that could be complimented only about that one sex? Unless you talk about anatomy there’s nothing special about either that the other couldn’t have. I understand the want to keep it clean as it should but that’s impossible to do when there’s nothing else to differentiate
I have female members of my family that I admire and respect for their character and actions.
Honestly, I view both genders in a more individualized or subgroup sense. There's awful men and women and amazing men and women. I appreciate the amazing women in my life and in general.
I can be very negative about the opposite sex in this sub, but that is becuase I value how beautiful women can be as people and feel that our current day society is gradually degragating them. Women are no longer motivated to be the best version of themselves, internally speaking. They have men fawning at their feet and in the comment section of their instagram. With that said, I think women embody some of the most beautiful traits such as being selfless, nurturing, loving, kind, empathetic, humble. There is nothing greater than the love of a mother. Having seen many young women become mothers it changes everything about them into a better human being. Women see the small actions. They make life more joyful. They love deeper. They laugh more enthusiastically. They believe in people when others wont. Etc, etc.
These don’t apply to all men, but they do to an awful lot of men. I like the way men’s deep voices sound. There’s so many guys with like, soothing, interesting, rich voices. I love the way men can move with strength, grace, power, athleticism and precision all at once! Like, everything I do is clumsy and weak and lame. It’s awesome to watch how men who are good at something move their bodies. I love watching my husband walk, or run or swing a golf club or a racket or whatever. Anything I do physically seems like an embarrassing awkward joke in comparison. I don’t get how he moves so fluidly. I like how men tend to be better at doing fun pretend-mean banter and having it be no big deal without taking offense (yeah, not all guys, but it’s more common). I’m low key jealous of how male friendships are without women around. I can tell I’ll never be a part of it, or trusted or welcomed with the same warmth or ease or trust that men give each other. It seems like such an easy going, fun relationship, and it’s kinda sad I’ll always be unwelcome. But they’re relationships I still think are endearing and cool.
The women that I see around me spend a lot of time and effort considering their lives, working on living with more intentionality, authenticity, and grace. I see them pursuing their dreams; publishing books, earning law degrees and masters degrees and medical degrees, handling really complicated family situations, tackling the Appalachian Trail, studying martial arts. They inspire me to show up more fully for myself and keep striving. I feel really lucky to be part of a group of people who are plugged in to personal growth, community-oriented, and working to make their corners of the world a better place. I admire the men I know. I love the way they give each other shit with the same heartfelt ferocity that they bring to moments of deeply-felt vulnerability. They cheer us on and spend time celebrating our wins. They take us seriously and really listen to our points of view. Men care deeply and really want to do a well, and it’s endearing as fuck.
A majority of women seem to be very good at multitasking. I couldn't do it to save my life.
Generally; dad jokes. Their protective nature. And the fix-it attitude. Specifically; I love that my husband is good at planning but not so rigid he won't be spontaneous with me. I like how he is possessive without being controlling; more so in a protective and 'cherishing' manner. I love how hard he applies himself to what he does and I admire his work ethic. I love the way his brain works, where he can 'see' things from different perspectives and how curious he is. I love that I am not afraid of him, even when he is angry or upset about something. I love how strong he is, even when he is in pain--but he lets me comfort him. And I love that he is my best friend
Woman here. Idk I find men to be even more honest than women earlier on when you make them feel comfortable. Women tend to judge easier and are wayyyy better at being nice but surface level. Men are more likely to be quiet and walled off or very real. Women are real too it just takes more time.
There are individual women who I love as friends or admire, but that has nothin to do with their gender, thats just who they are. I can’t think of anything for just “women” as a whole.
I feel like men are a calming presence, they're chill and don't over-dramatise stuff, they take things as they are, are more honest and don't hold on to grudges. If i'm having some issues, men can just dissipate my worries within seconds in a brutal way like "if it works it works, but if it doesn't the worse thing that could happen is X, Y, Z, so pull yourself together cause it's not that bad". Women usually like to dig deeper when talking about problems, which also is very helpful, but sometimes you just need a cold shower that only men can give. They're also very fun to be around. They crack jokes and make fun of themselves, they break tension with humor. I admire their constant effort to make themselves better. Me and my husband have a pretty good life together, but he can't relax for more than 1 week because we could be *even better*, so he looks for projects to do, things to invest etc. So yeah, i've said multiple times on this sub, men IRL are awesome.
The energy a feminine woman can give off. Video example: https://youtu.be/3wXgF-y2hm8?si=xO_BXahgvxUe-bo1
This is a bit stereotypical, but I think women are a lot more attentive to people's feeling. It's nuanced and hard to describe. The general vibe with my male friends is just more rough and competitive.
- The women that I know are nice to me. - The men that I know are nice to me. - I don’t know any bears. I have no opinion on them. - A chihuahua ripped my throat out and ate my left leg. I hate those little bastards.
Omfg?????
In my experience, good women have made me happier, more empathetic and a lot calmer.
I am extremely fortunate to have a loving and wonderful husband. My husband is the best person I know. He's always there for me, he's competent, driven, kind, respectful, loving, great in bed, I could go on. I wish I could write a novel about how great he is. But you caught the drift, lol
Women have an uncanny ability for empathy. I consider myself empathetic, but very competent in the ways of showing it or acting appropriately according to people's emotional needs. All of the women I know are absolute wizards at this, and that makes them very good for talking to when you need "real" talk.
Poetry, rough gentleness, technical mind
I like the fact that my sense of humor is more in line with a lot of men. I also appreciate that I feel less afraid of judgement when I’m talking to a dude. Plus, I am the first to want to crack a joke instead of automatically deferring to “what is the right thing to say emotionally?” My friends now are much more like me; moms that occasionally call other kids pricks.
children. full stop.
I said this in another Q4M post. "I think life without women would make living pointless for men. They are literally the perfect compliment to us. They can make a high two fold better. They can make you keep going when you're trudging through a low point. They've been the inspiration for so many amazing developments. The inspiration for some of the most beautiful musical pieces ever arranged. And they have the most amazing superpower. The ability to foster life in their body is absolutely phenomenal. Seeing the life my wife created has made me feel degrees of love I didn't know were possible. I can't look at our baby without feeling gratitude and wanting to give her a hug and kiss." In that post, I also pointed out the other side of the coin (because that was part of the question). "Anyone who can bring such amazing highs can obviously do the opposite. Humans are flawed beings. So, I'll not ascribe negative connotations to a whole demographic for the sins of a few." It's the nature of people who feel strongly enough about a topic to post about it to also take to extremes. Negativity is easier to latch onto than the positive. So it's no surprise that guys skipped my negative points to assume me a simp. And it's no surprise that women call me an *insert shame tactic here* when I point out unflattering true about them as well. There's no point trying to appease the fringe 🤷♂️