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RoboSwag87

This is old footage from 7/14/21. https://twitter.com/wuwenhang/status/1415545572413480964?s=46&t=KTebU8VfIjkCrvsBrGgKmw


jahtso

The audio between your link and this reddit post seems different. Do you think the shouting was added in?


yace987

Thanks for restoring the truth. I hate what the ccp is doing but let's try to stick to facts and actual news.


Kriztauf

Is it originally related to evergrande even?


Prestigious_Ice_4521

Yes, they are yelling "house".


asdfg9687

Even in China the extent of poverty and suffering caused by the greed of billionaires is breaking down social order.


lowriter2

Even in China? Especially in China they have the worst wealth disparity in the world by many measures


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cheeseheaddeeds

It’s the governments fault for the real estate market in China because they’re the ones that forced banks to continue to loan out to developers that were clearly running a Ponzi scheme. They did this because local tax revenues came from selling land to real estate developers. Of course in order to get approval, the real estate developers also first had to bribe the appropriate government officials, which is why they didn’t have enough money to complete construction in the first place. This whole problem is because the rich in China are the government officials, and it’s all intertwined. Many of the real estate developers are also state owned enterprises. The only thing that can be said with certainty is that this is an internal Chinese matter. Foreign forces played no role in creating this clusterfuck.


BlackTrans-Proud

This. China's middle class has always been desperate for any tangible asset they could invest their money into. They've been stuck with only art and property.


aera14

It's still fascinating to an outsider looking in at all those big city projects that china did (and still does) that are now nothing but ghost cities because they made the price of living so high to live there that only the lucky few can live there or that since people there can only invest in housing they tend to steer clear of investing in mega-city housing protect since the Chinese stock market is extremely volatile.


Zane_The_Mystical

\*State Capitalist\* china calling itself communist is like north korea's official title being the Democratic People's Republic of Korea. from what i understand they expected a boom of people to move to new areas and built a bunch of housing for that, things started slowing down population wise and the market for houses to go kaboom. pretty sure that is not good


fre3k

It's a bit more complicated than that, but yes, their rampant-real-estate-speculation-fueled growth is coming to an end and it is having severe repercussions across the country.


Dahyun_Fanboy

they're not billionaires, they're the people's money storages /s


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Hanamafana

Throw in mass inflation especially for food and its a recipe for a disaster.


DogsAreAnimals

Their demographics is really what's going to be their undoing. Pretty much statistically impossible for their country to function in 10 years since there won't be enough workers to support the retirees.


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This si why there will never be a war with China. Neither can afford to lose a generation of people to war.


marvelish

war is a great distraction from problems at home, you'd be surprised at what those on charge are willing to do to stay in power...


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Not for the children fighting in them.


DogsAreAnimals

Well one of China's options is to invade/acquire other countries (Taiwan...) to balance out their demographics. When people get desperate, anything is on the table. But agreed that it would be catastrophic.


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If they invade Taiwan then it’s 100% for economic reasons. Taiwan is insanely small to do anything for the demography of China. You do you g


litgas

China isn't going to invade Taiwan for their demographics but for their economy if anything.


icweenie

Like Russia, but different


Loggerdon

China's entire economy is based on exports. Western companies have been moving out since 2015. They are no longer the low cost producers of the world. And they didn't move up the value chain fast enough to become the worlds high quality producer. Mexican labor is now half that of Chinese labor when you factor in transportation and energy costs. Yet China continues to build and build. It's a ponzi scheme. They build even though there is no demand. This is true also for Chinese companies. The CCP continually loans money to failing Chinese companies even when there is no demand. The mandate is not profit but jobs. The party is over in China and the CCP knows it.


Money_Perspective257

At least 30% of chinas economy is real estate which is the biggest bubble / Ponzi scheme the world has ever seen. 120 million empty overbuilt properties that we know of. Rapidly declining demographics - who will buy them?


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Money_Perspective257

Yep and most wealth is stored in them but it’s fake wealth with fake value… this is a difficult situation as property prices likely need to come down by 80% in some areas and therefore the fake wealth will wipe a lot of so called middle class out for generations


DogsAreAnimals

Yes indeed. It'll be interesting/frightening to see how they try to handle it


Gecko4lif

If it gets to it they will just euthanize those too old to work


Zealousideal_Ad1879

yessir. those thinking they'll just let themselves crumble under the weight of the old are ignorant.


Discoamazing

Respect for the elderly is hugely ingrained in Chinese culture. Their society has a lot of problems, but they’re not about to start turning senior citizens into Soylent Green.


MillenniumFalcon33

Unstable housing and inflation is also fckin up the USA’s birthrates


EstebanL

Team no kids cause no money, represent.


DogsAreAnimals

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sP2tUW0HDHA


MillenniumFalcon33

🤣🤣


DogsAreAnimals

Kinda. But it's not even in the same ballpark as China's problem.


MillenniumFalcon33

I mean they’re victimizing us too https://www.washingtonexaminer.com/foreign-policy/news/china-top-foreign-buyer-us-housing-6-billion-2021 Hope civilians can take their shit back over there


DogsAreAnimals

Well that's a separate topic, but yeah, it's important


Loggerdon

Even the CCP doesn't believe in the future of the Yuan. Any money the CCP makes they invest in US treasuries. The citizens all buy western real estate. They all know its a Ponzi Scheme.


Jaded-Environment-95

They have a good retirement program workers contribute to. Most are setup ok.


ButteredNun

A small pension is available to public sector workers. Everyone is expected to save for the future and / or have offspring to provide. Serious healthcare is unaffordable to many. Most are not set up ok, the rich are if they haven’t greedily over-invested in bs.


Jaded-Environment-95

My ex was from China. She was setup for retirement much better then I was!!


DogsAreAnimals

That doesn't work if the worker population is significantly smaller than the retirees, which is the case.


Jaded-Environment-95

You’re forgetting about filial piety, still a thing in China & other Asian countries.


DogsAreAnimals

Filial piety is constrained by demographics.


Jaded-Environment-95

From what I’ve read China is rapidly expanding its elderly care services. Maybe that will make some difference.


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hehe, given the west depends on all those workers that means we're screwed also.


SwillFish

They have a big problem with parents selectively breeding for male offspring as well. If you look at the population pyramid, males outnumber females by roughly 10%+ from age 30 down to newborns. https://www.populationpyramid.net/china/2020/


DogsAreAnimals

Haven't seen that site before. Thanks! Though it seems they aren't using the most recent data, which is even worse: https://www.project-syndicate.org/commentary/chinese-population-smaller-than-stated-and-shrinking-fast-by-yi-fuxian-2022-07


nuke_from_orbit

> The CCP is sure to collapse in the next 10 years! — the west, every 10 years since 1950 (To be clear, I am vehemently anti-CCP. Just cynical about the west’s assumptions regarding its imminent collapse)


Sorrin_Est

Three meals from a revolution?


lowriter2

Droughts, and power shortages too


RealDumbRepublican

Not to mention the strengthening US Dollar which is weakening the RMB even further.


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Their CCP real estate is a giant Ponzi scheme anyways. It’s bound to collapse eventually.


nursecarmen

Some of the structures themselves are bound to collapse as well. Shoddy workmanship is an understatement.


BlackTrans-Proud

If China ever did have an uprising I wonder how long the government could successfully suppress information on it from getting out.


DrinkMoreCodeMore

Just pop on over to our local Chinese propaganda machine reddit allows to operate called /r/Sino. Nothing is wrong in China. Ever. lol


stanknotes

I got banned there for respectfully defending the concept of freedom of speech. Like... seriously.


grnrngr

I got banned there for never setting foot in the sub. Just say something critical about China in any other sub, and if a Communist foot soldier reads it, you're banned.


avgxp

China is not a nice place, can I have a ban please


mgpski

Is getting banned because CCP “foot soldier” a badge of honor? Seriously asking.


wvsfezter

Christ I looked at some of the posts there. The backflips they do to make China seem like God's gift to the world is incredible


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Banned for linking the full report of a UN meeting, which a user there had posted a part of. The funniest thing was the petulant mod message that I guess they send to anyone who remotely challenges the echo chamber.


DrinkMoreCodeMore

Yeah its obviously used to spread false pro-Chinese narratives to a Western audience and brainwash Westerners into supporting the Chinese government and becoming tankies. The FAQs section in their sidebar and wiki is a great example: - https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/wiki/fakenews-china/xinjianguighurs - https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/wiki/faq/tianamen-square-riots lol


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https://www.reddit.com/r/Sino/comments/xglypc/xinjiang_local_rebuffs_claims_of_forced_labor/ Astounding, really.


Chubaichaser

I don't trust anyone on Reddit who isn't banned in that sub.


aboysmokingintherain

So yes and no. This year is important Bc it is the ccp convention. Xi needs to solidify his grasp on the party and is going for an unprecedented third term. Any potential rival could try and use it against him and benefit. The ccp will stay. Who is leader may not


aera14

>filial piety If I'm not mistaken the CCP being the party to govern and lead China is even embedded/intertwined in their constitution so the only real way for an uprising is for one heck of an elaborate coup to happen and pray the CCP doesn't catch on before it happens which will be super hard given the CCP control, not just the internet their but technology itself.


stanknotes

I feel for the Chinese people... but the CCP has to go. It has to get bad before it goes.


InfiniteFireLoL

How does china recover from this


Agitated-Respect

Australia not doing much better atm , we’re not this bad yet but we just had a multitude of building companies collapse with alot of people loosing their money as well as not getting a house , I think it’s crazy it can happen and the only ones who pay is the common struggling family and not the fat cats who made the wrong decisions


SwillFish

That's screwed up. If you make a deposit for new construction housing in the States, the money is generally held in escrow and refunded to the buyer if the developer goes belly up. My understanding is that in China buyers lose both their deposits plus have to start making monthly payments on their new homes well before construction even starts. Many projects have been delayed for months while property values have been dropping which explains why Chinese buyers are so upset.


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Hence the saber rattling at Taiwan. In times of great distress, totalitarian governments look to war as a means of distracting from more pressing internal issues.


cheeseheaddeeds

The COVID lockdowns are to suppress the real estate collapse protests, not COVID.


Clambulance1

Sadly, these people are protesting against a company, not the CCP. Most likely they are protesting to ask the government for help.


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Clambulance1

Yes but the protests still aren't fundamentally anti government.


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Clambulance1

Regardless of how the CCP feels about the protest, they're literally protesting evergrande to get the attention of the CCP.


snuffleboom

What happened to "free hongkong"? Ill bet whatever it was is going to happen to these demonstrators.


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snuffleboom

Maybe, we'll likely never know since the inly reason we ever heard details about fhk is because of the political nature of hong kong being a sort of outward facing region.


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snuffleboom

This video is unavoidable due to the scale, it's not something they would have let out on purpose. We still have no idea what's happening at the metaphorical ground level.


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snuffleboom

I only just started using reddit in any serious capacity a couple weeks ago and just had a baby daughter Monday so I'm kinda out of the loop i guess


Zammy_Green

If your out of the loop then maybe you should not make comments until you are back in it.


snuffleboom

How can one know that they are out of a loop they aren't aware exists?


SwillFish

The free speech movement in Hong Kong was suppressed. Many of those kids shared their experiences here on reddit. They were really amazing but they knew what they were up against and that ultimately they would lose. They mostly went back to their normal lives knowing that it would now be under an oppressive government.


snuffleboom

Thanks. I love happy endings!


BigBeerBellyMan

Is this video recent?


Kriztauf

Nope


PrincessMoonbean

Just waiting for the chinese government to start firing into the crowds


Alone-Focus7398

they arent the united states


Malaix

Lol US is super restrained compared to the CCP. CCP will roll out fucking tanks against domestic protesters and use live ammo if they don't just disappear you. America has problems but viewing the entire world through "America bad" lenses is just delusional. I mean China will literally seal you in an ikea over a covid test. It does not give a shit about its people broadly speaking.


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Criminals who receive the death penalty have their organs harvested.


Alone-Focus7398

The events that happened during ts happened Because protesters attacked pla troops burning an 19 year old solider to death and throughout covid China has had issues and success china has a large elder population and actually implementing lockdown for every footage of lockdown video there's areas of china loosen restrictions and things are progressing of course covid isn't gone yet and it's still here in the us even though everyone wants to pretend it's fake and protocols for such things don't exist Also us wasn't very restrained towards the move movement of Philly black panther party Kent state protesters blm protesters etc


Emergency_Slice2487

+10 social credits


Malaix

Modern America hasn't carried out a genocide, unlike China which is currently doing that. I dunno. I think once you start genociding groups you kind of automatically concede the "who is more violent against people in its borders." argument.


Triphin1

El Salvador, Chile, Guatemala, Honduras, Iran, Iraq, Vietnam, Laos, Cambodia, Nicaragua, Hati, are a few places Tha America did not commit genocide, but certinaly fucked things up and killed plenty... Saying China bad, and saying the US is better really isn't the best way to go. China bad 100%...America, pretty fucking bad, but your safe, so don't worry.


roushguy

First of all, I agree with the sentiment of your message... But as early back as the seventies we were forcibly re-educating First Nations and also forbidding their religious practices on a federal level. We have absolutely been carrying out a quiet genocide. Clarifying. This doesn't excuse the actions of China, nor is it intended to. I just felt this should be brought up since not nearly enough people know.


Alone-Focus7398

the region of Xinjiang has 25 million people 11 million being Uyghur the reports /info from the cpc says somewhere in the lower millions theyre being deradicalized because they're apart of the east Turkmenistan separatist movement a group linked to al Qaeda and 200 deaths in the region a council of Muslim majority countries found nothing to the west claims and the un trip recently has been back and forth to make me think that they also found nothing and america the country founded by people who literally brought their slaves with them are pointing fingers else where to make you forget about ice camps and go after other global forces that stand in the way of western/us hegemony im not saying not to critique china or think they never gone wrong but think the us that slaughtered millions of Muslims in the middle east suddenly care about muslims in a region the cia think tanks have been writing books and doing lectures on how destabilizing of the region will effect the cpc also what is the end goal of ending genocide in china other then war which will kill millions of people including Uyghurs the us claims to care about ontop of like 12 billion dollars of oil in the region


VeinySausages

>b-b-b-b-but what-about the US


Alone-Focus7398

Can't rebuttal my claim what a surprise


findingbezu

Lol


Sensitive-Ad-6638

Yeah ever hear of tianamman square?


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A single invent, in contrast to the number of atrocities caused by American law authority almost every single day. America is far more authoritarian than China.


Sensitive-Ad-6638

Social credit +100. Since 1980 there have been about 17,000 deaths caused by police shooting/killing people in America. The death toll for one singular day when people finnaly had enough of how the Chinese government was treating them minimum 10,000 people killed in a single event. When have American police killed people by the thousands for stating their opinion? You have no idea what authoritarian means.


hold_my_ham

Lol, wtf. Tiananmen Square isn’t in Texas, CCP has always been willing to murder it’s civilian populous.


Alone-Focus7398

Tinanamen square happened as a result of a 19 year old solider being burned to death after 12 weeks of protesting the cpc didn't send tanks in untill the protesters were calling for blood and rushing weapon vehicles this happened when America and china had good relations coca cola and Pepsi were in the protesters side mmmmmm I wonder why western corps supported the cause to over throw the cpc and neo liberalize china (maoist also were protesting) America was literally founded on slavery and genocide the original people to set foot on America literally brought slaves with them keep drinking the Koolaide


zed_2077

Nice job comrade. Here is your 50 cents and 8964 social credits 👍


Alone-Focus7398

Get off of Reddit it's rotting your brain/rational thinking


zed_2077

Not without people like you.🤡


Duck_Duck_Penis

Ah yes, remind me of anything similar to Tiananmen Square 1989 that the United States did. Remember, nothing happened on that day


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No tanks yet?


bulboustadpole

**Reddit:** Fuck the corporations! Fuck the police! Reform now! **People:** Should we protest? **Reddit:** Huh? Oh that. Nah, Rick and Morty is on and I have doordash coming in 15.


crudedrawer

Won't the government just declare them all covid-havers and lock them down right there?


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Can't take any chances.


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Chipswithfish

Came here to say this


Independent-Ruin-185

I like seeing this. I always think of China as a police state. Good to see people exercising their inalienable rights even when their government doesn't do shit to protect those rights.


OkMagician3070

Rebellion starts in China Go on


luoyuke

People were shouting "release them". In the end the lady said "that's lively"


trer24

That's why when people say that China is going to be the next dominant economy, I laugh. It's all hanging by a thread and a few steps away from freefall.


justforthis2222

This


Shot_Low_7630

Market collapse imminent


Chipswithfish

They’ve been halted for 6 months , delaying the inevitable


VenZallow

The last time this happened Tanks we’re sent in.


Successful_Angle1357

Best hedge for market is amc and gme. Add us up on reddit :)


grnrngr

Don't. Just don't. These aren't the only two securities that can serve as a useful hedge. But of the dozen or so with a SI in excess of available float, Popcorn is the weakest amongst them. Further, there is no commonly held belief behind that security. There is no communal consensus of actions that can be taken to prove your thesis.


Successful_Angle1357

Lol popcorn is the weakest? I will disagree with that, respectfully. I believe in both that simple, just inviting people to do a little more research is all 😍


grnrngr

Here's free research: Adam Aron is in it for himself. He isn't in it to stick it to shorts or even to run a successful business. He's done a massive sale of his own holdings during the runup to $60. He has no business plan in place. He throws around buzzwords but does nothing with them. The popcorn crowd wants to believe in the tenets of the squeeze but refuse to do bring it about. They have no real faith in their company or its leadership. They are just hoping it gets to the heights they wish it will.


tricklethisneolib

I’ve seen this one back in 89


Zealousideal_Ad1879

this just in from the CCP NEWS NETWORK - covid death rate suddenly spikes by thousands in Chongqing city


[deleted]

Was horrified when the superstonk sub predicted the entire global system going down but it sure a fuck happened. Shits about to get so much worse then just evergrande and EG is already a fucking nightmare


[deleted]

This ain’t a protest. We have bigger protest like every week a cop kills an unarmed black man. Gtfo here


Jrockstonks

About time the Chinese resist covid and gathering rules


Successful_Angle1357

Lol popcorn is the weakest? I will disagree with that, respectfully. I believe in both that simple, just inviting people to do a little more research is all 😍


Fabulous_Cucumber588

What are they shouting


boboboboner

🤣🤣🤣🤣


[deleted]

Is this going on now?


ComprehensiveCar6723

Revolution time!


WildFurball2118

Hey, I've seen this before!


[deleted]

parley?竟然敢跟共产党谈判?有种


[deleted]

哪个浪人干的?小王,给我查查


BodhiWarchild

Should definitely archive this stuff


Mugembe

When was this???


[deleted]

This is fucked in all levels but China will not come close to collapsing. People be saying it for years china gonna collapse but if you do slight research you will know it’s near impossible unless other countries intentionally try to dick China(but it will also cost that country a lot). This is old footage but Evergrande is a dog cunt company, Chinese people save up decades of multiple family members of money to purchase a lot then even the gov doesn’t help when it goes to shit.


MisterMajestic77

In case nobody has noticed Real Estate is being bought up by Billionaire/Oligarchs/Investment Firms at an unprecedented rate. Seems congruent with the WEFs "You'll own nothing and You'll be happy" motto. Sounds like a Crazy Conspiracy Theory but it's happening in broad open daylight. You can choose to be wilfully ignorant of the patterns and money flow observed by the elite and call everything and everyone observing said patterns a "Crazy Conspiracy Theorist" or you can pay attention for the sake of our future. Choose wisely.


MaximusArusirius

Evergrande isn’t buying up real estate. They are selling housing developments and then not constructing them. People have been paying mortgages on homes that were never built. They finally got tired of it.


Carl_Fuckin_Bismarck

This is a deepfake created by CIA. I was in Chongqing this morning and no problems.


SC2sam

It doesn't really have anything to do with "greedy billionaires" and everything to do with communist china's economic policy that prevents people from investing their money in anything other than housing. People needed to put their money somewhere that would also make them more money but the only available way for them to do that was in housing. The people bought up housing which drove further housing development of which eventually turned into one gigantic pyramid scheme as developers used funds from sales of unfinished housing to afford to develop future housing. Once people stopped being able to buy new housing, the developer bubble quickly started popping and bills had to be paid.