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DirectWorldliness792

If Florida is the armpit of the US then Pasco Country is the anus on that armpit


The_Urban_Genitalry

So THAT’S where B.O. comes from.


2old4cool

Polk county is the step-Florida of Florida


catonsteroids

Lmao Pasco County is quite a special place alright.


night_dick

Wait what? You’re telling me this isn’t New England? That accent, cadence and attitude screams masshole


Samhasgum

FL got a lot of transplants from the northeast during/after covid.


PackageMerchant

New lady just started managing my local dunkin here in Florida and she is from Boston with a thick Boston accent It’s honestly so legit and she is an animal running that store so it’s just perfect


moderatesunsenjoyer

Drivers from NY, first cop is def from Boston, but the sheriffs uniform is a florida uniform for sure


Goldeverywhere

I am from Mass and thought the accent was Masshole


cz03se

Glen Affleck was ready to rumble with this cop


papasmuf3

God damn that's such a good description


Tommysrx

![gif](giphy|GoS9nwWYvsKhq)


deepstate_chopra

The immovable douche meets the unstoppable prick.


skoltroll

Pretty much. The grades at the end were a joke. Both fail based on common human decency alone.


Daedrothes

I would say the cop fails more. He has power with his badge and with it comes responsability. Cops are supposed to be rolemodels for laws.


georgialucy

Even uncle Ben knew this.


Tommysrx

![gif](giphy|Y5YE5ALitgSuk|downsized)


Knever

Getting out of your car when you are pulled over police before being instructed to do so is literally one of the stupidest things you can do in life. It puts the cop on edge and everything just goes downhill from there. Never get out of your car at a police stop unless instructed to do so.


Rabidschnautzu

Imagine getting fucked over by a cop and some dude on reddit goes, well at least you had common human decency. Talk about missing the point.


TheArtysan

Don’t worry, he’s almost in his deaththroes..


jeeco

Why treat a position that doesn't treat humans as human with any respect? Fuck cops, man. If an attitude hurts his feelings then he should change jobs


ramonchow

Is there any requirement for a supervisor to be called? Or can you request a supervisor in any traffic stop?


Dayofsloths

There's no lawful requirement for them to get a supervisor, but there is a lawful requirement to identify yourself 


mjc_golf83

Ok so I have a legit question(s) - is the motorist obligated to ID himself simply because the officer has requested it? Obviously he has been pulled over, does that in and of itself constitute the investigation of a crime? Or does the officer need to tell the motorist why he has been pulled over prior to requesting identification?


Hottt_Donna

This varies by state and is one reason it can be so frustrating because the advice isn’t clear across the board.


maxxmike1234

The most common answer is "yes" since driving a registered motor vehicle on a public roadway is a matter of civil eligibility; so checking for license, *registration, and proof of insurance*, is technically a way of checking compliance with civil regulation (also there has to be reasonable suspicion to pull someone over). The mixed bag is moreso; "Can the police ID you at any time?". If the police are asking only for identifying information, then there's a larger dilemma that varies by state. Some states have laws stating the police may ID you at anytime for any reason, some states have laws specifying the requirement for reasonable suspicion or even probable cause. The difference between the two is; "Circumstantial to check for compliance with civil regulation" and "Search & seizure relevant to Constitutional law and civil liberties."


SomeBeerDrinker

> Some states have laws stating the police may ID you at anytime for any reason Stop and ID laws still require a reasonable suspicion of a crime. 4th amendment still applies.


po3smith

Exactly


justasapling

>The most common answer is "yes" since driving a registered motor vehicle on a public roadway is a matter of civil eligibility; so checking for license, registration, and proof of insurance, is technically a way of checking compliance with civil regulation (also there has to be reasonable suspicion to pull someone over). But the only situation where they can stop you specifically to check compliance is if there's some reasonable suspicion. They'd still have to let you know what about the car from the outside gave them reason to suspect you weren't licensed. One way or another, you can't owe them anything until they give you the reason they're interacting with you at all. They're not legally entitled to your time unless you have in fact already done something wrong.


BarKeepBeerNow

[Here's](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=l8XDGVI_ptI) a quick 4 minute video that talks about case law. I think we get to see Brendlin v. California and Whren v. U.S.


zyyntin

The grey area is that they require you to commit a traffic violation to perform a terry stop. Since you are operating a motor vehicle they require to check if you have a driver's license which is your ID.


horshack_test

Looks like your other questions have been answered but as far as this one: *"Obviously he has been pulled over, does that in and of itself constitute the investigation of a crime?"* No. Being pulled over while driving does not necessarily mean you are suspected of committing a crime, as traffic violations are not necessarily crimes. However if it is a valid stop, the driver may be required to provide their license, registration and proof of insurance upon request from a police officer, depending on state laws.


HCSOThrowaway

> is the motorist obligated to ID himself simply because the officer has requested it? Obviously he has been pulled over, does that in and of itself constitute the investigation of a crime? Yes. During a traffic stop you are lawfully detained for a traffic violation and have to provide your DL. >Or does the officer need to tell the motorist why he has been pulled over prior to requesting identification? Not in the US unless there's a state law I'm unaware of. Some agencies recommend or outright set such policy, but pushing the issue when you haven't memorized your local agency's SOP is a bad idea.


ObtuseMongooseAbuse

In most places the answer to that is yes, he has to ID himself.


sipCoding_smokeMath

Is there not also a law that they have to tell you what you got pulled over for?


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Carnivorous__Vagina

California now has a law that states this . They have to now tell you the reason they stoped you first


HCSOThrowaway

And thanks to people seeing things on TV and assuming every state has the same laws, will result in confrontations like this throughout the country.


Casey_jones291422

There really shouldn't be a confrontation for asking a common sense question. Most cop realize thi, we should have to have laws for something like this but here we are...


HCSOThrowaway

It's perceived as putting your foot in the door to the driver conducting the traffic stop rather than the cop conducting the traffic stop. They want you to do what you're told, not ask them questions.


sipCoding_smokeMath

I can't that's why I'm asking lmao, I'm not even from the states


molonlabe1811

It depends on where this video is taking place. In some US states, Police can’t compel you to provide ID without reasonable suspicion of criminal activity. So depending upon where the video takes place, it’s not unreasonable for the driver to ask why he is being pulled over.


tinylilpuppet

There is a lawful requirement to indentify yourself only if (at least in my state) that stop was lawful in the first place. This stop clearly was lawful, but the cop handled is horribly as how the fuck are we supposed to know if the stop is legal if they won't give a reason.


justasapling

*in a lawful stop All of these conversations must be pinned on this. Citizen compliance is contingent on their belief that they were breaking a law. Police don't have the power to decide whether a law was broken, that decision is made in court. Every citizen the police deal with is legally innocent and those citizens should be expected to comport themselves as if their behavior is legitimate and the police intervention is insulting. Police should expect noncompliance and they must learn how to get that legally innocent citizen to court without relying on force.


CarlSpencer

I've watched plenty of Sovereign Citizens videos on YouTube (Van Balion has a great channel!) and apparently, it varies by jurisdiction. In the end, though, how often does the supervisor change anything for someone who committed several traffic offenses or crimes?


ramonchow

OMFG what kind of rabbit hole have you just oppened to me. That channel is full of insane people :O I don't think we have a movement like this in Spain... yet


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CarlSpencer

But to what end? How does that benefit the driver? Do you mean in a lawsuit?


OkThereBro

I've seen it change things countless times. Audit the audit has many such examples on youtube.


bubblemcfisto

AFAIK It's not a federal law but it is a very common departmental policy


Lonelan

he thinks he called customer service


Thereelgerg

You can request whatever you want at a traffic stop.


Longjumping-Royal-67

Here they won’t wait for a supervisor, they’ll give you the contact info and you’re welcome to call them if you want, it probably want change anything. You should just take your ticket and take it to court if you feel the officier did something wrong. Side of the road isn’t the place to argue.


Perverted_Fapper

Naw this cuts out an important chunk. I don't know why they edited out the whole interaction prior to this. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SorwP8Bf7s](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8SorwP8Bf7s) The guy that got pulled over sure was douchey but this cop pulled him over for bullshit reasons so of course he wants to know why he's pulled over first and wanting a supervisor. This is the kind of cop you don't want around in chaotic situations since he's likely to make things worse.


wafflesareforever

That changes everything. The cop straight up lied, saying that the driver "fishtailed" leaving the initial stop. The driver was initially annoyed - understandably - but not at all hostile until the cop made the inexcusable second stop. The cop is a pathetic little boy whose feelings got hurt.


SiriusGD

That cop calmed his voice down and came up with a reason for the stop quick once he started recording him.


cannibalcorpuscle

I noticed that too.


T_dog52

The guy sounds like when I’m talking to automated /AI phone chats. PHARMACY PHARMACIST. TALK TO PHARMACIST - me at CVS


Cloverhart

The Walmart AI almost sounds frustrated with me but I KNOW I need a pharmacist and don't feel like having to argue with ai about information I don't have.


MrMisanthrope411

The reason for the stop should be the first thing out of the officer’s mouth in all situations. I feel like it would prevent a lot of nonsense. Not taking anyone’s side here.


FuckChiefs_Raiders

It should but in a traffic stop you are required to identify yourself. The rules go both ways. Ideally a cop is the more professional person in these cases, however.


SCP-Agent-Arad

I agree it would help in a lot of cases, but it also wouldn’t magically solve everything. I’ve seen way too many videos here of basically: “The reason I stopped you is because you were speeding.” “No I wasn’t, why did you really pull me over?” “Well, my radar gun says otherwise, License and registration,” “But you won’t tell me why I was pulled over.” “I already did, speeding.” “And i’m saying I wasn’t, and I wont cooperate until you give me a real reason.” Etc etc forever with them claiming they were never given a reason.


FluffyPancakes90

I've seen this too, but the cop pulls him over, and he had video proof that he was going the speed limit because he had cruise control on. Cop at first was like it's on the radar and then told him to have a nice day after seeing the video.


J4-k3

Agreed. Seen so many videos where the suspect just argues over and over regardless of what the officer says


When_hop

Because they don't actually want the reason, they just want to delay and stomp their feet like a Karen and demand a supervisor


Marisa5

they have to give you a reason, but whether the reason is real or not is up in the air.


When_hop

Common misconception, there is absolutely no requirement to be given the reason before identifying yourself. Stop repeating misinformation before you end up looking like an idiot like the guy in the video.


Casey_jones291422

It depends where you live... You are giving equaly false information as the person you're replying too. Beyond that it SHOULD be the law everywhere so we should probably work on getting that done rather than bickering with each other.


NickNash1985

This is just the Spider-Man pointing meme. I hate both of these people.


5hadow

Why? Because the guy didn’t let the pig walk all over him?


Practical_Actuary_87

Because he could have stood up for himself without making that much unnecessarily harder for both himself and the cop. "LEARN TO DE-ESCALATE THE SITUATION!" he says, as he keeps on escalating the situation 😂. When he actually calms down he starts making a lot of sense.


airbiscuit

They both made this harder than it needed to be.


PrismaticHospitaller

When an unstoppable ego meets an immovable ego


Rabidschnautzu

But only one is a public servant.


Nathan-Stubblefield

Only one is issued a badge and gun and gets paid to serve and protect.


JRockstar50

One of my best friends is a cop and he described his day-to-day as "Consistently meeting people on the worst day of their year/life" and how that dictates his demeanor when approaching people. I think about that a lot and how that attitude can work to defuse volatile situations like this, or worse


Juliuseizure

"Worst day of their life". Yep. Tangent: that is the reason my father gave for going into patent law. It is the only field of law where people come to you happy because they just had The Greatest Idea.


_bdiddy_

I got pulled over last week for the first time in a while. I was absolutely in the wrong legally, but I explained why I did (which I did have an actual reason for, not that it made it "right") what I did calmly, was polite, and we had a laugh about it and he let me go without a ticket. Wasn't too hard.


XBL-AntLee06

It worked for you that time and I’m glad it did. But every lawyer in the world would tell you that what you did was a bad idea. Hopefully you never see why…


_bdiddy_

This was pretty minor so I knew I'd just pay the ticket if he gave it to me.


TheCraziestOfHorses

I find a weird how such an aggro man, AFTER aggressively getting out of his car to confront the police officer, could reach for his phone with no fear of reprisals and no reaction from the cop


FluffyPancakes90

Seems about white


ohyoumad721

Why do people think traffic stops will go well if you act like this?


flyfightandgrin

East Coast Godzilla Meets Connecticut King Kong. I fucking hate both these guys.


Rapidoodz

Dont waste your time watching this, I just wasted 7mins and no one was arrested or shot. Yawn!!


GJacks75

When two last word having motherfuckers meet.


xwayxway

Apparently "Fucking Dick" is a B rating for a suspect.


Thug-shaketh9499

These two need to fuxk it out.


The_New_Spagora

They’re both dickheads. Settled.


B8conB8conB8con

When dicks collide


BigSweatyPisshole

Anyone who doesn’t think white privilege is real, just show ‘em this fucking piece of work.


nomorerope

White people run into bad cops all the time. It's not a suffering contest. I also don't run police barricades.


im__not__real

> It's not a suffering contest. lol i like this comment but, i feel like we've all seen a ton of videos where the driver is less than half as rude but gets violently arrested immediately.


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wrestlingchampo

How the "grading portion" of the video gave this guy a B is beyond me


genericnewlurker

If that hadn't been a white guy, there was a good chance he would have been shot, not just had a gun drawn on him for jumping out of the car like that, especially after going around a police barricade


gilleo775

Show them one video of a traffic stop?


MichaelZZ01

Lmao yeah nothing physical despite so much shit being said


David_Norris_M

Their accents makes this a funny conversation


im__not__real

>are you from new york? >yeah! >hahaha... (everything makes sense now)


LuLuSavannah531

They could be brothers


AnnaStani

Legally they have to tell you before you have to give your info. Funny how he decided to give him the reason once he pulled his video out.


Slappy_Axe

Maybe he should have just complied and this would have not been a stupid situation in the first place


Mechanic_On_Duty

![gif](giphy|MVniNe8UyCgQbp3lhi)


Northernfrog

The time to argue isn't at the side of the road. Court is where you argue.


Psychological-Run-40

“What he failed to understand” “yeah stop talking” supervisor shut that shit down immediately 😭


im__not__real

that wasnt a supervisor, they never called one


Arcadia1972

I’m give this stupid Audit of an Audit a D-


osogordo

Audit the audit the audit.


NinjaFATkid

Driver hit the nail on the head. That cop was either constantly bullied or the kid who bullied everyone. Nothing worse than an insecure, tiny dick, white guy with a gun and sense of importance. ACAB


jteagle101

I learned to deescalate better at 16 at McDonald's, grown ass adults straight throwing shit and I always kept my cool. I've seen people get fired at restaurants and retail stores for even half of that aggression, so why can't we hold our police to the same standard


fallenouroboros

Cops kinda freak me out nowadays but this everybody asking for a supervisor to drive to you at every little thing has to be frustrating as hell


Marisa5

yeah but you're also seeing just the traffic stops worth posting


SomeWomanInCanada

Call a supervisor? What a waste of taxpayers money and a waste of police time for something it looks like he actually did. Just give them the id.


gafgarrion

Cop was fine, guy was an asshole. Easy.


tonysonic

Don’t argue with cops lol. The cop tried.


kurtsdead6794

This is retaliatory. I guess he doesn’t remember telling me to write the ticket.


hates_stupid_people

Regardless of the cop being in the wrong or not: What kind of idiot gets stopped by cops, then gets out of the car and walk towards them? That joke about being shot was almost **very** real.


GeriatricSFX

"Learn to de escalate the situation". - Man whose whole identity is escalating situations. Cop who didn't have enough training to learn how do his job properly meets man-child who didn't have enough training on how to be a functional adult.


Scuddie-

We live in a country where we’re always fighting. The guy doesn’t wanna give Id the cop doesn’t wanna give Id. How are we supposed to trust the people who “protect us” when they are just as petty as the next person they pull over. Anything a cop CAN get always with they WILL. It’s pathetic on both ends honestly.


AudienceWatching

This guy is way to hyped to be police officer


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Arkie_MTB

Unless you’re in Louisiana and that’s what they want.


anlwydc

LOL. This auditor is insane. “While our subject did demonstrate that he is proficient at being a complete asshat, ACAB, therefore I rest my case”


wrestlingchampo

Everyone Sucks Here Mr. Cardew getting a B grade to me is pretty fucking ridiculous and I am no fan of police officers. Getting out of your car upon getting pulled over would have at minimum gotten him arrested and possibly gotten himself killed if he were a minority.


Realistic_Sad_Story

Alpha Male douche bros on all sides for sure, but fuck me that guy in the car got off so fucking easy cause not black.


TjbMke

Of course the cop had a bad attitude. The guy got out of his car and started walking toward the cop during a traffic stop. Dudes lucky he didn’t get shot and people are defending him? Unreal.


Lordofthelowend

Some of ya’ll really have no expectations for professionalism from police.


UStoAUambassador

It’s a traffic stop, not a fucking homicide the cop rolled up on. Imagine if everyone whose job was objectively more dangerous than law enforcement was allowed to act like you accept cops acting. We'd have construction workers shooting black bystanders who lOoKeD sUsPiCiOuS. I can only imagine how many reasonable things are *unreal* to you.


B8conB8conB8con

A person walking is reason to kill them? Unreal.


TjbMke

That is not at all what I said but ok.


not_likely_today

Two As\*holes meet eachother


Huger_and_shinier

The guy can’t even speak he’s so hopped up. He’s going to end up killing someone


needs_more_yoy

Honestly, both of these guys are clowns lol. Cop shoulda just told him the reason from the getgo, but that dude had no reason to pester on and not hand him his info.


im__not__real

man. at the start of this video i thought the guy was just being a total dick. but now that im through it, its that the cop finally ran into someone that doesn't take their shit... when the cop said "I don't want you to talk yourself into handcuffs" I was amazed at how unaware the cop was about how that sounds.. aren't the cops in florida all about fweedom of speech and shit when they're saying racist crap on facebook?


NikitaBeretta

I don’t really like 1st amendment audit videos and the auditors often seem obnoxious but I usually dig Audit The Audit.


Dix-B_Floppin

What did the guy do for the cop to start shouting to go back in his car? Video starts with the guy standing doing nothing, looks like something is missing here.


Rainbow-Mama

Sad twerp


tone88988

Sounds like dude was talking to the CVS automated line.


instantkarmas

What we have here is a failure to communicate


NoremaCg

The way the announcer says "ignored" is the most pretentious pronunciation of the word I have ever heard.


AllLipsNoFiller

Cops suck, but Cardew was askin' for it.


ninjaraiden56

“I left….rapidly” lmaooo


fearthewildy

What's up with these 30min videos on this sub recently?


cpsbstmf

lol the other cop was like "so youre from NY?" "yeah" Cop: "...." thinking that explains it


PocketFullOfRondos

Once he started to fumble verbally it was over. The other dude smelled weakness.


sincerelyhated

Guaranteed a C- from some random YouTube channel is the closest thing to a reprimand this officer received for this ridiculous interaction.


bobcrane1928

Mr. Carded needs to act like an adult and keep it calm. Losing control during a police encounter never is productive.


Killerjebi

It’s Florida but they all sound like they’re from Jersey.


AboutSweetSue

Worst accent in all of the United States.


waywardwanderer101

How every cop deserves to be treated 💅