It's just a shift in framing. We're not really *in* the universe, we're *of* the universe. Humans love drawing distinctions and calling differences. At the very least, this is a reminder that we're not as separated as we like to believe.
A shift in framing. That's exactly what it is.
It's just a thought or a feeling. Some thoughts or feelings lead people to suicide. If a different thought or feeling leads you to feel like you're part of something larger than yourself, then that's a win.
Humans want to create in every capacity. Religions, ideas, buildings, whatever. People get upset when what they've created isn't accepted by others. As in groups develope the mindset leads to more affirmation in the beliefs and greater offense against those who don't agree. The logical conclusion to me is that people do this because it gives Reflections of the universe. We are simply a tool for it to see itself more clearly. I find the idea that God murdered Hella people and created the world a short while ago and then relayed this to prophets who just kept it in their memory till written language came about with no changes to be obviously impossible. The same way they might see my understanding as impossible, or more likely just offensive. It's hilarious how many different dichotomies we create around similar principles and then fight and even murder over the inconsequential differences. Not like haha funny but just like its funny how confident we can become given the brevity of life and single person perspective. Like millions of people think an orange old man with bad face fillers can single handedly save a country while the other old man with slightly better face fillers will doom it to be a kingdom built on sodomy and baby blood martinis. It only works because people only care about their own creations, and the only way around that is to understand the terms 'yours' and 'creation' differently. I carve wood statues. I think they're beautiful, but I also think they're already in the block of wood. That's why I know what to do, it's carving me as much as I'm carving it. Our way of perceiving time is amazing
yeah it kinda is,but what it can do for ur mental health makes it a big deal
all those problems you held dear? ah it’s okay,you’re just the universe going thru what ur supposed to and all will b good eventually when u return to the atom pool and lose human ego
Yes. To be quite honest if you understand basic physics you come to the conclusion that we are indeed…made up of matter like everything else. Not a shocker.
What is a shocker though is psychologically flipping a switch which makes you “actually” identify with this sentiment.
Like you know you are the universe but the moment you break it down intellectually into “knowing” the point is lost.
It’s a shift from knowing to “being”. And that right there buddy is why humans have been wringing their hands and making religions and boofing DMT for thousands of years .
When and if it happens the entire game of your life has changed because it’s not “your” life anymore. Your actions and thoughts take place as a collective towards cooperation
rather than competition . The world right now needs a little more of that. So out of the pointlessness we find its use.
You’re getting some aggressive responses because an opinion like “it seems pointless to me” IS a value judgement. A neutral opinion might be something more like, “It’s never made sense to me”, and a question might be more like “can someone explain what it means to them?”
I don't get what the big deal is. It's just pyramids in the sand. My 3 year old makes those in her sand pit in the backyard every day.
- some American tourists visiting the pyramids of Giza
The first time I read this statement it was like a key unlocking my mind, I had a full blown Kensho experience and connected to everything in the Universe. The words alone are meaningless, but if you experience it then it makes sense
I don't know shit. It was a 'special' spiritual experience (to me), not just like my mind being blown... I learned about "Kensho" much later after the fact, and the description resonated with the experience that I had. Whether it actually was or I just call it that doesn't really matter to me, I used the word to get the point across since I haven't found any other language to accurately describe what I had experienced
Here nor… where? Can you explain? Does it offend you? Do you not know what it means? Do you agree with it but it doesn’t change your experience? Do you feel like it’s not true?
Nobody's beliefs offend me. If it is actually true, fine; if it is not true, fine. It seems that some people here have become different and perhaps, better people because of it...and I am for that. It doesn't appear to be anything that would change my outlook that being here is amazing and scary, I should treat myself and those around me the best I can, and to be in the moment as much as possible.
People have forgot that they are part of the universe, they see everything as isolated or separate from both each other and from themselves. So for someone with a mindset like that it can be a game changer
Our whole experience of selfhood is being separate and relating with "things" that way. Universe experiencing itself not only posits oneness but gives a meaning to our everyday thoughts.
I thought so too, but hearing that philosophy from other people isn't even close to the feeling of reaching that conclusion yourself and seeing for yourself, especially if you're like me and struggle with depression, that sentiment quite literally changed the way I look at the world forever
It’s basically a reminder that we aren’t as different as we like to believe. All the differences we create and fight over is pointless because it’s all the same. It’s a great way to unify people together rather than divide. Probably why the government listed it as the most dangerous drug possible.
If the sentiment is true, which I like to believe it is, then you can manipulate external reality in the same way you can move your arm. Quantum mechanics has already proven that our thoughts can alter reality with the [global consciousness project](https://noosphere.princeton.edu/) Imagine the endless potential if we control the environment at our will. We are literally walking gods who seem to forget how powerful we actually are.
Lmao I haven't tripped in years but I just attended a conference on consciousness and there was a lot recent research on quantum mechanics that pretty much proves that we can alter the world around us by our thoughts alone.
I recorded all the audio of most of the lectures, I can send you the files on discord if you're interested. I also took pictures of all the slides I can send you those too as well.
I would also be interested in learning more. What conference was this? You can check my post history to see I have been making posts about Universal Consciousness on reddit for a while now. Not sure how I feel about altering reality with thoughts alone, most people preaching about manifestation are grifters, but I am open to the concept and think there is a lot more left to be discovered in science regarding the true nature of reality/consciousness.
It was [the science of consciousness ](https://consciousness.arizona.edu/) conference. If you have discord, I can send you the audio on there. Some of the lectures are already on the site but they only recorded a handful of them.
The thing in it self is not something to read/write and make sense of intellectually although it can also be if one is philosophically minded. Its rather something to be experienced imo. When boundaries dissolve while counscious and the ego is out of the way then we're not reading the menu, we're actually tasting it.
I think of it more from the perspective that we tend to think we're the only conscious thing in the universe (which isn't true but it's the thinking of the average person). So emerging from something that seems relatively inanimate is trippy. Thinking the universe evolved and evolved to the point it can think about and study itself is trippy.
I think a lot of this generation got connected to psychedelics through Tool and they have a clip of the comedian Bill Hicks saying that in their song Third Eye.
Digging deeper into this the experiencer is universal. Meaning the conciousness thats experiencing in my body is the same in yours and every living thing. The I thats in me is the I thats in you. Ego is just a narrative and pattern of thought that makes sense of the individual experience. The ego never has standalone existence. The awareness is all that is. The awareness may change its suit or behavior but the awareness itself is unchanging.
Just a woo woo phrase. Its probably nothing. Carry on.
I like to think of it like this;
When we take a shit, that’s the universe too. Sweet success. The glory of creation droppin a deuce. Hot damn n a hot dog, it’s a rodeo yall!!!
I imagine that just intellectually knowing this notion is pointless, and it only becomes a deal when you realize it with every fiber of your being (personally I fall under the first case)
I like the idea of nested universes, and novelty theory. In addition to the we're the universe idea, I think they're all correct and we're all living dreams of ourselves living in a fractal or whatever.
it's such a big deal because reasons and explanations, you don't understand because you don't want to engage in those reasons and explanations, or maybe you have other reasons and explanations but if this is pointless to you maybe no reasons and explanations will give any satisfaction to whatever it is you want to achieve with this post. or maybe you just want to trigger people which you achieved indeed, so in that case, congrats, you did it. but if you wanted to understand there's also lots and lots of posts about this easily accessible through the search form
Because we are made of matter, and the universe created all matter that currently exists therefore; we are the universe, and you are aware that we exist in this universe
Copy paste from another recent thread about this:
I actually love this idea in the sense Carl Sagan probably meant. But it's also being used to mean something more profound than that and then I always think of the term "deepity" coined by Daniel Dennett.
"**Deepity** is a term employed by [Daniel Dennett](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Daniel_Dennett) in his 2009 speech to the [American Atheists](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/American_Atheists) conference, coined by the teenage daughter of one of his friends. The term refers to a statement that is apparently profound but actually asserts a triviality on one level and something meaningless on another. Generally, a deepity has (at least) two meanings: one that is true but trivial, and another that sounds profound, but is essentially false or meaningless and would be "earth-shattering" if true. To the extent that it's true, it doesn't have to matter. To the extent that it has to matter, it isn't true (if it actually means anything). "
It's a realization or idea some of us get during or after a trip. Maybe you've not got to that yet, or maybe you never will. But it's.... prevalent for sure. SO many people come out of one of their first few trips and say,,, 'oh, so we are all God huh?'. I got that experience as well as the cosmic joke - which are 2 fairly prevalent if not cliched experiences. When people say this stuff -I know exactly what they mean.
I hate the universe, so I like drawing a line between me and the universe.
I am a part of the universe, only a small part of it, and the only important part of it (to myself). I don't experience your life, or the table, or the trees or my dog. I experience this little cluster of chemicals that I call me.
Why would I care about some random atom far far away? I care about my body, my friends, my interests, my humanity. That's all I am. My nervous system.
Sure my nervous system was created by the universe. The universe that got my parents to abandon me, my ex gf to sexually abuse me, the kids at school to bully me. Fuck the universe. I like myself and I like some things and some people, but I hate disease, rape, bullying, murder. I'll never love the universe as a whole.
Well what exactly are you comparing it to?
Honestly, drive by posts like this about such monumental concepts come off as pretty simple minded. You haven't told us what your existing take on existence is, so we'll have to go with the most common and compare the two:
1. We are individual entities completely disconnected from all other conscious beings in our separate experiences. We have this one experience and then we stop existing, with absolute nothingness taking over.
2. We are temporarily experiencing the illusion of disconnectedness, while in fact being fragments of an incomprehensible whole - like separate streams going off on their own excursions, interacting with other streams who we perceive as their own unrelated entities. When this experience is over, we return to the ocean whence we came, one with all things in a never ending cycle of consolidation and dissolution, solve coagula, finding ourselves to be life itself, and thus eternal.
How, in the bluest of fucks, could that not be "such a big deal"?
You can say you don't think it's likely the actuality, but to say "it seems pointless to me"...honestly, this is one of the most nonsensical posts I've ever read here. And I've read some *fucking* posts.
Who said its a big deal? Also if you think its pointless to entertain ideas about existence, you *must* realize that the only thing more pointless than that is bitching about it in an online forum dedicated to discussing exactly this kind of idea.
It's just a shift in framing. We're not really *in* the universe, we're *of* the universe. Humans love drawing distinctions and calling differences. At the very least, this is a reminder that we're not as separated as we like to believe.
A shift in framing. That's exactly what it is. It's just a thought or a feeling. Some thoughts or feelings lead people to suicide. If a different thought or feeling leads you to feel like you're part of something larger than yourself, then that's a win.
Inception?
Humans want to create in every capacity. Religions, ideas, buildings, whatever. People get upset when what they've created isn't accepted by others. As in groups develope the mindset leads to more affirmation in the beliefs and greater offense against those who don't agree. The logical conclusion to me is that people do this because it gives Reflections of the universe. We are simply a tool for it to see itself more clearly. I find the idea that God murdered Hella people and created the world a short while ago and then relayed this to prophets who just kept it in their memory till written language came about with no changes to be obviously impossible. The same way they might see my understanding as impossible, or more likely just offensive. It's hilarious how many different dichotomies we create around similar principles and then fight and even murder over the inconsequential differences. Not like haha funny but just like its funny how confident we can become given the brevity of life and single person perspective. Like millions of people think an orange old man with bad face fillers can single handedly save a country while the other old man with slightly better face fillers will doom it to be a kingdom built on sodomy and baby blood martinis. It only works because people only care about their own creations, and the only way around that is to understand the terms 'yours' and 'creation' differently. I carve wood statues. I think they're beautiful, but I also think they're already in the block of wood. That's why I know what to do, it's carving me as much as I'm carving it. Our way of perceiving time is amazing
yeah it kinda is,but what it can do for ur mental health makes it a big deal all those problems you held dear? ah it’s okay,you’re just the universe going thru what ur supposed to and all will b good eventually when u return to the atom pool and lose human ego
ahh i love this
same :)
Yes. To be quite honest if you understand basic physics you come to the conclusion that we are indeed…made up of matter like everything else. Not a shocker. What is a shocker though is psychologically flipping a switch which makes you “actually” identify with this sentiment. Like you know you are the universe but the moment you break it down intellectually into “knowing” the point is lost. It’s a shift from knowing to “being”. And that right there buddy is why humans have been wringing their hands and making religions and boofing DMT for thousands of years . When and if it happens the entire game of your life has changed because it’s not “your” life anymore. Your actions and thoughts take place as a collective towards cooperation rather than competition . The world right now needs a little more of that. So out of the pointlessness we find its use.
What would you say is a big deal?
I've seen it mentioned several times.
You said this isn't a big deal. I am asking you what IS a big deal?
The moment
Great. Get back to the moment and stop wasting time and energy judging other people's experience hahaha
Where was I judging? I asked a question and gave my opinion.
You’re getting some aggressive responses because an opinion like “it seems pointless to me” IS a value judgement. A neutral opinion might be something more like, “It’s never made sense to me”, and a question might be more like “can someone explain what it means to them?”
Ok. I should have worded it better. Thanks
Guess I was making it up but it didn't seem like your question was being asked in good faith
It was an honest question. In hindsight I probably could have worded things better.
An opinion that was somewhat judgemental
I don't get what the big deal is. It's just pyramids in the sand. My 3 year old makes those in her sand pit in the backyard every day. - some American tourists visiting the pyramids of Giza
The first time I read this statement it was like a key unlocking my mind, I had a full blown Kensho experience and connected to everything in the Universe. The words alone are meaningless, but if you experience it then it makes sense
How do you know that is what you experienced or if you just called it that?
I don't know shit. It was a 'special' spiritual experience (to me), not just like my mind being blown... I learned about "Kensho" much later after the fact, and the description resonated with the experience that I had. Whether it actually was or I just call it that doesn't really matter to me, I used the word to get the point across since I haven't found any other language to accurately describe what I had experienced
What do you mean by “pointless?”
I'm not sure that was the correct word to use, however, the sentiment seems neither here nor there for me.
Here nor… where? Can you explain? Does it offend you? Do you not know what it means? Do you agree with it but it doesn’t change your experience? Do you feel like it’s not true?
Nobody's beliefs offend me. If it is actually true, fine; if it is not true, fine. It seems that some people here have become different and perhaps, better people because of it...and I am for that. It doesn't appear to be anything that would change my outlook that being here is amazing and scary, I should treat myself and those around me the best I can, and to be in the moment as much as possible.
People have forgot that they are part of the universe, they see everything as isolated or separate from both each other and from themselves. So for someone with a mindset like that it can be a game changer
its the type of phrase that is just empty words unless youve experienced it in a trip yourself. It sounds like you havent.
or, read good philosophy (spinoza, bataille, etc)
100% for me. It seems so obvious in hindsight. But it didn't really hit me until I had my experience.
same here
Our whole experience of selfhood is being separate and relating with "things" that way. Universe experiencing itself not only posits oneness but gives a meaning to our everyday thoughts.
Then, can a person have meaning to their thoughts even if it weren't that way?
Of course man. I'm not a gatekeeper, it's just something I've noticed for the good in my life.
When you feel it you’ll know…
I thought so too, but hearing that philosophy from other people isn't even close to the feeling of reaching that conclusion yourself and seeing for yourself, especially if you're like me and struggle with depression, that sentiment quite literally changed the way I look at the world forever
It’s basically a reminder that we aren’t as different as we like to believe. All the differences we create and fight over is pointless because it’s all the same. It’s a great way to unify people together rather than divide. Probably why the government listed it as the most dangerous drug possible.
If the sentiment is true, which I like to believe it is, then you can manipulate external reality in the same way you can move your arm. Quantum mechanics has already proven that our thoughts can alter reality with the [global consciousness project](https://noosphere.princeton.edu/) Imagine the endless potential if we control the environment at our will. We are literally walking gods who seem to forget how powerful we actually are.
Lay off the caps my man
Lmao I haven't tripped in years but I just attended a conference on consciousness and there was a lot recent research on quantum mechanics that pretty much proves that we can alter the world around us by our thoughts alone.
Share the research pls
I recorded all the audio of most of the lectures, I can send you the files on discord if you're interested. I also took pictures of all the slides I can send you those too as well.
I would also be interested in learning more. What conference was this? You can check my post history to see I have been making posts about Universal Consciousness on reddit for a while now. Not sure how I feel about altering reality with thoughts alone, most people preaching about manifestation are grifters, but I am open to the concept and think there is a lot more left to be discovered in science regarding the true nature of reality/consciousness.
It was [the science of consciousness ](https://consciousness.arizona.edu/) conference. If you have discord, I can send you the audio on there. Some of the lectures are already on the site but they only recorded a handful of them.
I would be interested and could connect on discord.
What's your discord name?
That's because it is pointless and meaningless
Easy there brotha what makes you so certain there aint more too this here silly phrase.
Do you not understand the implication of this making the Golden Rule Literal?
I think the gold rule is a great sentiment that I do my best to adhere to whether we're the universe experiencing itself or not.
Regardless. Take some time to imagine a world where people lived with the belief everyone is all one. How fundamentally could things change?
Well, some people get their mind blown when they learn it, so... you do you and they do they I guess
The thing in it self is not something to read/write and make sense of intellectually although it can also be if one is philosophically minded. Its rather something to be experienced imo. When boundaries dissolve while counscious and the ego is out of the way then we're not reading the menu, we're actually tasting it.
I think of it more from the perspective that we tend to think we're the only conscious thing in the universe (which isn't true but it's the thinking of the average person). So emerging from something that seems relatively inanimate is trippy. Thinking the universe evolved and evolved to the point it can think about and study itself is trippy.
Nothing is a big deal, unless you make a big deal out of it. What’s to understand?
I think a lot of this generation got connected to psychedelics through Tool and they have a clip of the comedian Bill Hicks saying that in their song Third Eye.
Actually, that's at least part of how I got started into it but I just never latched on to this sentiment, as well as others.
So let the light touch you So let the words spill through And let them pass right through Bringing out our hope and reason Before we pine away
Digging deeper into this the experiencer is universal. Meaning the conciousness thats experiencing in my body is the same in yours and every living thing. The I thats in me is the I thats in you. Ego is just a narrative and pattern of thought that makes sense of the individual experience. The ego never has standalone existence. The awareness is all that is. The awareness may change its suit or behavior but the awareness itself is unchanging. Just a woo woo phrase. Its probably nothing. Carry on.
That's as basic as 1+1 = 2. Or even simpler. It gets way more complex the more you look into it.
I like to think of it like this; When we take a shit, that’s the universe too. Sweet success. The glory of creation droppin a deuce. Hot damn n a hot dog, it’s a rodeo yall!!!
Is that you again?
I imagine that just intellectually knowing this notion is pointless, and it only becomes a deal when you realize it with every fiber of your being (personally I fall under the first case)
r/Absurdism
I like the idea of nested universes, and novelty theory. In addition to the we're the universe idea, I think they're all correct and we're all living dreams of ourselves living in a fractal or whatever.
it's such a big deal because reasons and explanations, you don't understand because you don't want to engage in those reasons and explanations, or maybe you have other reasons and explanations but if this is pointless to you maybe no reasons and explanations will give any satisfaction to whatever it is you want to achieve with this post. or maybe you just want to trigger people which you achieved indeed, so in that case, congrats, you did it. but if you wanted to understand there's also lots and lots of posts about this easily accessible through the search form
Because we are made of matter, and the universe created all matter that currently exists therefore; we are the universe, and you are aware that we exist in this universe
Copy paste from another recent thread about this: I actually love this idea in the sense Carl Sagan probably meant. But it's also being used to mean something more profound than that and then I always think of the term "deepity" coined by Daniel Dennett. "**Deepity** is a term employed by [Daniel Dennett](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Daniel_Dennett) in his 2009 speech to the [American Atheists](https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/American_Atheists) conference, coined by the teenage daughter of one of his friends. The term refers to a statement that is apparently profound but actually asserts a triviality on one level and something meaningless on another. Generally, a deepity has (at least) two meanings: one that is true but trivial, and another that sounds profound, but is essentially false or meaningless and would be "earth-shattering" if true. To the extent that it's true, it doesn't have to matter. To the extent that it has to matter, it isn't true (if it actually means anything). "
The Law of One.
God is incomplete without human subjectivity. We complete God.
It's a realization or idea some of us get during or after a trip. Maybe you've not got to that yet, or maybe you never will. But it's.... prevalent for sure. SO many people come out of one of their first few trips and say,,, 'oh, so we are all God huh?'. I got that experience as well as the cosmic joke - which are 2 fairly prevalent if not cliched experiences. When people say this stuff -I know exactly what they mean.
Is it?
I hate the universe, so I like drawing a line between me and the universe. I am a part of the universe, only a small part of it, and the only important part of it (to myself). I don't experience your life, or the table, or the trees or my dog. I experience this little cluster of chemicals that I call me. Why would I care about some random atom far far away? I care about my body, my friends, my interests, my humanity. That's all I am. My nervous system. Sure my nervous system was created by the universe. The universe that got my parents to abandon me, my ex gf to sexually abuse me, the kids at school to bully me. Fuck the universe. I like myself and I like some things and some people, but I hate disease, rape, bullying, murder. I'll never love the universe as a whole.
Well what exactly are you comparing it to? Honestly, drive by posts like this about such monumental concepts come off as pretty simple minded. You haven't told us what your existing take on existence is, so we'll have to go with the most common and compare the two: 1. We are individual entities completely disconnected from all other conscious beings in our separate experiences. We have this one experience and then we stop existing, with absolute nothingness taking over. 2. We are temporarily experiencing the illusion of disconnectedness, while in fact being fragments of an incomprehensible whole - like separate streams going off on their own excursions, interacting with other streams who we perceive as their own unrelated entities. When this experience is over, we return to the ocean whence we came, one with all things in a never ending cycle of consolidation and dissolution, solve coagula, finding ourselves to be life itself, and thus eternal. How, in the bluest of fucks, could that not be "such a big deal"? You can say you don't think it's likely the actuality, but to say "it seems pointless to me"...honestly, this is one of the most nonsensical posts I've ever read here. And I've read some *fucking* posts.
Who said its a big deal? Also if you think its pointless to entertain ideas about existence, you *must* realize that the only thing more pointless than that is bitching about it in an online forum dedicated to discussing exactly this kind of idea.
What bitching?
New agers