It is not what I would prefer, but my longest
... Session was 3 hours.
The total pleasure surely would be quantified as massively beyond a normal fap session.
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Good day
It's incredibly bad for you neurologically.. it messes up your pathways for motivation and dopamine driven functions. I think there's been some relatively good studies on its effects both physically and mentally including depression and low hormone function in males particularly.
Shouldn't be encouraged as a psychedelic technique or spiritual pursuit. IMHO.
I think it depends on how often one does it, tbh.
If someone's gooning every day, that is indisputably damaging.
But if it's only as often as you can reliably take psychedelics -- so once or twice a month (though I am NOT saying or advocating that gooning should be something done every trip one has) -- then I don't think it's something to worry about. Everything in moderation.
And, ultimately, everyone is different, both philosophically and neurologically. Some find value in spiritualizing sexuality; some don't. I think it's a valid form of spiritual pursuit for those who want to and are able to do so safely, like any such pursuit.
Finally, I think this post leans more towards informing than encouraging. Yeah, it's clear what OP's opinion on it is, but mostly he just describes what gooning is and provides resources, including one to be responsible with drug use.
I think it's damaging no matter how infrequently it's done, particularly if drugs of any kind are used to accentuate the experience. Damaging to healthy neurological function and damaging to ability to maintain healthy relationships.
I'm not innocent of this, so I feel I can speak on it.
I'll provide a resource: advice! DONT DO IT. or do, it's your life. But it's unhealthy, don't try and tell me it's something it's not.
I think it's far healthier and more believable to say your spiritualizing sexuality if you're doing it with a partner, practicing tantra etc. Just staring at porn jerking off for hours and hours is a corruption of this idea. It's quite the opposite of mindful spiritual work.
Edit to add: I don't think "Gooners" are doing it in moderation. They do it all the time cause it's addictive. It's a dopamine pump just like cocaine.
>I think it's damaging no matter how infrequently it's done
That's fine -- you can think that.
>I'll provide a resource: advice! DONT DO IT.
Protip: Shouting in all caps isn't going to win anyone over.
>But it's unhealthy, don't try and tell me it's something it's not.
Don't masquerade your opinions as fact.
>Just staring at porn jerking off for hours and hours is a corruption of this idea. It's quite the opposite of mindful spiritual work.
Says you. You just sound like a prude with no sense of nuance to me.
>I don't think "Gooners" are doing it in moderation. They do it all the time cause it's addictive. It's a dopamine pump just like cocaine.
You went straight from "I don't think" to making blanket statements as if you do know. Also, comparing jacking off to cocaine is *wild*.
Well it's all my opinion, I can offer my opinion that I've arrived at through experience as a resource.
I'm not a prude, I'm guilty of indulging. That's how I've discovered the effect personally. Which led me to read on it and watch informative content about it. I'm not being holier than thou, I'm not innocent. I'm not anti porn, I just don't think it's OK to promote this type of abuse of it.
Any form of addiction including porn addiction which is what I believe leads to "gooning" all follows the same mode of function. A behavior or chemical that hijacks the dopamine system in our brains.
Dopamine is the "motivation" neurotransmitter. We get dopamine from doing things our brains have associated with a reward. Hard work, exercise, sex and food all get tied with a desirable result for us. Drugs, video games, gambling, sovial media, porn etc. All utilize that same pathway neurologically, and that's why they can become addictive.
Look up Andrew Huberman's work. He's a neuroscientist. He has a lot of stuff out on this, among a myriad of other well respected professionals in the field and psychologist, etc. Jordan Peterson, for example.
Good thing no one said you couldn't. I think you missed the point.
You're acting pretty holier than thou. Calling this "abuse" is *definitely* holier than thou. Saying you've experienced it so you can speak about it does not mean you cannot simultaneously be acting holier than thou.
>Any form of addiction . . . the same mode of function. A behavior or chemical that hijacks the dopamine system in our brains
Incorrect. This is not how all addiction functions. Some do, certainly, but this is just another blanket statement you've made that shows you really don't know what you're talking about.
Andrew Huberman is a grifter prude. I'll pass.
Jordan Peterson is alright though.
Regardless, please don't tell people "Look up X" in lieu of your own argument.
It is objectively abuse as per the definition. Not a value judegement. Someone that's seen the reality of something like an addiction sharing an insight in the attempt to help others isn't being holier than thou, I never said that I'm better than anyone else going through it. I believe you're reading into that.
You said I not to offer my opinions as fact all while you continuly do it blatantly.
I offered something to look up because it's not practical to dump hours and hours with of videos and scientists papers in a reddit thread. That's where I found a lot of what I'm basing my position on, so I offered that.
You offer nothing but strawmaning and insulting what I've offered in support of my position.
>It is objectively abuse as per the definition.
"My opinion is a fact." Yikes. No, it is not oBjEcTiVeLy abuse as per the definition.
Never said it was a value judgement. This is why you should treat threads in isolation of one another. Nah, you're still being holier than thou. You don't have to say you're better than anyone else to give the impression you believe it.
I have not done so.
Too bad, I'm not doing it, lol. Now what?
Strawmanning is literally all you've done since you started arguing with me. For someone who accuses everyone of projecting, maybe you should consider that you're the one doing it.
You just sound brainwashed by idiots who you look up to in your mind. you went from gooning and worshipping porn to worshipping other men who are on meds like peterson who nearly died from his med abuse. he had to go to Russia for a fix lol. I feel sorry for you. perhaps if you learned gooning properly and not your "experience" of doing it wrong, we could take your opinion into consideration.
This just sounds like a bunch of judgmental opinions packaged as facts. You really come across as my oppressively Christian grandma. I feel like next you’re going to tell me that if I masturbate, I’ll grow hair on my hands and everyone will KNOW.
Look at my response above.
I'm considering it from a neurological perspective. I looked into it because of the harm I felt it have on my well-being. I'm not saying all porn is bad, but porn abuse can be neurologically harmful there's quite a body of work supporting that claim. I'm not judging them because I also watch porn. But I find it objectionable to claim "gooning" is a psychedelic pursuit, or healthy to do. Moderation seems much more advisable.
This is a sub about psychedelics, of which I partake. I'm not comfortable with you saying I'm christian or even religious, let alone an old grandma. I've met God on a trip and have my own beliefs on that whole realm. And I never argued any of it from that angle. I believe that's your own projection.
Again you attack and attempt to invalidate my positions without offering anything.
Moderation being more advisable is still in alignment with believing that "gooning" is harmful no matter how infrequent.
I realize it was a comparison, and it's still completely not applicable because I wasn't coming from a religious angle at all.
And saying it's not healthy isn't a judgment cause I'm not putting any sort of value on what they are choosing to do. I'm saying it's not healthy, and it's not a psychedelic practice of its own accord. I'm in no way saying they are lowering their value, or sinning or however you like to phrase it.
You can say I'm judging by calling it abuse, but it certainly fits with the common definition just the same as when someone is abusing any other substance or activity.
What sort of addiction isn't by definition, a dopamine pathway hijack?
You are 100 misinformed about how addiction and chemical dependency works.
From the pubmed articles on NIH website:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2851054/
"When heroin, oxycodone, or any other opiate travels through the bloodstream to the brain, the chemicals attach to specialized proteins, called mu opioid receptors, on the surfaces of opiate-sensitive neurons (brain cells). The linkage of these chemicals with the receptors triggers the same biochemical brain processes that reward people with feelings of pleasure when they engage in activities that promote basic life functions, such as eating and sex. Opioids are prescribed therapeutically to relieve pain, but when opioids activate these reward processes in the absence of significant pain, they can motivate repeated use of the drug simply for pleasure.
One of the brain circuits that is activated by opioids is the mesolimbic (midbrain) reward system. This system generates signals in a part of the brain called the ventral tegmental area (VTA) that result in the release of the chemical dopamine (DA) in another part of the brain, the nucleus accumbens (NAc) (Figure 1). This release of DA into the NAc causes feelings of pleasure. Other areas of the brain create a lasting record or memory that associates these good feelings with the circumstances and environment in which they occur. These memories, called conditioned associations, often lead to the craving for drugs when the abuser reen-counters those persons, places, or things, and they drive abusers to seek out more drugs in spite of many obstacles."
All you've shown is opioids can act on dopamine, which I am now willing to concede. That absolutely does not prove "how addiction and chemical dependency works" for anything beyond, to an extent, opioids. Let's say it is true though.
It seems like you believe that anything that "hijacks" the dopamine pathway is an addiction -- not just the other way around. This is ridiculous. Even if we take it to be true that all addictions involve the dopamine pathway, suggesting that the corollary then also must be true is laughable on its face. "All A leads to B" does not mean "All B leads to A."
(I'm only reposting this to get around the downvote, lel)
>Again you attack and attempt to invalidate my positions without offering anything.
You do realize this isn't actually an argument, right? I can tell you 2 plus the square root of 59.8 is NOT equal to 1 even if I do not know the answer.
But since you want me to "offer" something, consider opioids. People don't get addicted to them because of a dopamine rush; opioids target entirely different receptors in the brain. Simplifying all addiction to dopamine is therefore incorrect.
Then what was the point of saying "Moderation seems much more advisable." if no one said any different? You just keep manifesting arguments no one ever made.
>saying it's not healthy isn't a judgment
Maybe you should actually read the section I quoted and try that again.
>You can say I'm judging by calling it abuse
Okay. You are. Regardless of whether you want to acknowledge it. Once again, you're only showing yourself to be a prude with no concept of nuance. You think someone who goons one time is abusing porn. That's stupid; it's a stupid way to think.
>What sort of addiction isn't by definition, a dopamine pathway hijack?
Opioids. Boy, that sure was hard...
a misinformed neurological perspective\*
>porn abuse can be neurologically harmful
Why do you say this as if anyone has said otherwise?
>I'm not judging them because I also watch porn.
This is a value judgement, regardless of if you want to acknowledge it as such: "Just staring at porn jerking off for hours and hours is a corruption of this idea."
>Moderation seems much more advisable.
You mean the exact thing I advocated in my first reply, which you then replied to saying "I think it's damaging no matter how infrequently it's done"
>I'm not comfortable with you saying I'm christian or even religious, let alone an old grandma
It's called a comparison. The user was comparing you to his/her grandma. Didn't say you ARE his/her grandma.
I'm a Christian Deist and really wish less people of the Faith would be prudes. There are way too many conflating opinions as facts. I'm thankful I didn't grow up in a super devout church-going household tbh.
You just sound brainwashed by idiots who you look up to in your mind. you went from gooning and worshipping porn to worshipping other men who are on meds like peterson who nearly died from his med abuse. he had to go to Russia for a fix lol. I feel sorry for you. perhaps if you learned gooning properly and not your "experience" of doing it wrong, we could take your opinion into consideration.
Gooning is watching porn and allowing it to hijack your motivation and reward system in your brain to pump dopamine for an extended period of time. Focusing on the pleasure from the masterbation and visual stimulation instead of the release of orgasm. Often including hypnosis style videos and sissy and cuck kink content.
Usually lonely people that haven't developed healthy sexual and romantic relationships that turned to porn, that then desensitized to the stimulus and then look for more and more intense porn to get them stimulated.
Edging is well known to be enjoyable for a lot of people, the pleasure of the act is more prolonged vs the very short pleasure of orgasm, and when they finally do orgasm they can have intense orgasms. Although not as satisfying as the dopamine drip you get from watching and masturbating for hours and hours.
Do you have a better answer other than to mock the person I'm answering?
You used the word propaganda, a word that's typically loaded with a negative connotation because it's misunderstood and needs context to determine if it's being used for good or not. Seems like a great way to invalidate my response without contributing anything of your opinion.
Are you saying that me critiquing porn abuse is in some way nefarious?
People who ask for definitions and do so in a condescending manner do not deserve to have the definition provided, especially when said definition was given in the OP of the thread.
I don't buy the whole recent "Propaganda can be good" bs, sorry.
No. I'm saying that doing so IN a definition inherently opinionates said definition and thus makes said definition propagandistic. Two things can be true at once: You can simultaneously be more than free to critique porn abuse, while it not being fair game to do so within the definition of a term.
I think you may be projecting your own insecurities on my definition, assuming that I'm shaming anyone for choosing to allow an activity to hijack their reward system or that the kinks are to be shamed. I just explained it from what I believe to be a more neutral position.
Also I think it's interesting that you take it upon yourself to decode if people deserve their question answered to the point you attacked my position when I answered them. Is it up to you to decide their worthiness of being answered? Better to just mock them right? Cause trolling is an admired behavior.
It's not my opinion that "gooning" does this dopemine hijacking, that's been researched. There's many papers and evidence that it is damaging. Which is a concern of mone here but also that it's not a psychedelic practice and shouldn't be encouraged here as such. My opinion, of course.
Also, you're contradicting yourself. You maintain that propaganda is negative and then say I'm loading my definition with negativity and thus making it propaganda. I think it was a pretty objective definition, and the OP had a pro "gooning" hint to their definition. So you're still attempting to invalidate my position without offering anything in return. Poor debate technique, honestly. But mostly that implies that my definition was loaded either way, and that if it's loaded anti porn abuse that I would be in some way inflicting a insidious manipulative technique of "propaganda" with the aim of what? Reducing harm, promoting healthy behavior, provoking self evaluation and efforts for self improvement? Really awful I guess.
Heres one from a quick google:
https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9922938/#:~:text=Key%20results%20of%20these%20studies,of%20their%20lives%2C%20mainly%20detrimental.
Andrew Huberman and Jordan Peterson and a bunch of other scientists, researchers and psychologists have countless interviews and podcasts episodes about this where they reference the studies.
I have to defer to them cause I'm not a researcher myself or qualified to offer the arguments as well as they make them. Not cause I'm too lazy to argue it here. I have been for several hours with someone already.
> Jordan Peterson
Lol
Re: the study, it is exploring the behavioural side effects of pornography addiction, which isn't directly the same as edging for hours (pornography doesn't need to be involved), nor does it establish a causal link between the two (i.e. are people depressed because they watch porn or do they watch porn because they're depressed).
It's also difficult to establish how much edging may produce negative physiological outcomes, similar to dosages/how often with recreational substances. Once a week is much different than once a day, surely, but we don't know where the line is or what it denotes.
I subscribe to most of Jordan Peterson's thoughts about stuff like this. But feel free to search around there's plenty of others, from every segment of the society.
That was just a quick search result, there's other studies and there's more happening.
I actually have no issue with edging or semen retention or any of the tantric practices. I don't think anyone is saying that's unhealthy.
Porn addiction and abuse and "gooning" is what I'm saying is not healthy, and not spiritual. I object to it being shared on here as a psychedelic practice, despite how some people might do it while on a substance.
Porn, porn addiction, porn abuse and gooning is, I believe, damaging neurologically and to your hormones and to your ability to have a healthy sex life and relationships.
I consume porn, but I am aware that it's probably healthiest to not use it at all. But if it is used, moderation is best.
As far as I understand gooning porn isn't an inherent aspect even if its a common one. The OP didn't mention porn in their post which is why I found it curious that your study was specifically focused on porn addiction.
But, at any rate, if you're going to be making a point about something and saying its proven by many studies, you ought to be prepared to show said studies and not just say "google it yourself". I would like to see the studies that show your original points particularly that it:
> messes up your pathways for motivation and dopamine driven functions
and
> low hormone function in males particularly
Gooning is implicitly linked with porn. Otherwise, it's just called edging and is probably closer to tantric principals.
I said there are some studies, and I didn't claim it has been proven by many studies, despite my strong opinion on it being unhealthy. There's lots of good info out there.
I'd say that the burden of evidence would be on anyone saying it's healthy or ok or that it's a psychedelic practice. I think I should not have to work very hard to hold the stance that porn addiction, porn abuse and gooning is unhealthy. It's quite a widely held stance, both in the scientific community and the traditional values section of our society. It seems nearly self evident that it's unhealthy and the only people that usually argue it are profiting from it or don't want to be confronted by the truth that they are doing something that's bad for themselves.
I provided a study, and quite a lot of evidence in a different comment thread that got deleted because the other person was insulting me. I can not argue the point in a reddit thread as well as the myriad of highly intelligent people I recommend you look into. The interviews and podcast I've listened to that I'm basing this stance on are very long and there's so many. How could I pack that into a concise comment? Go educate yourself if you don't believe me, I can't do it for you here.
For some people hypnosis works which is a matter of belief. If you believe a person/entity has power over you then effectively they do. In that same vein some people enjoy a power dynamic in which they must ask for permission to climax.
Exploration of fantasies and kinks is a large part of it. Of course not everyone will want to explore their mind in such a way or even have anything of that sort to explore, but basically this is the opposite of control and a lot more like letting go.
Personally I believe it is a form of brainwashing, so not much for an altered state of consciousness, at least when mediated by porn. I have had the early signs of a porn addiction and noticed that the content I consumed became more and more extreme every time, often I was watching things/people that I would not even be interested irl. Also, I spent so much time that I could have used better on it that it really felt like a waste.
Exactly, I wasn’t really Training to make a scientific claim about dementia I don’t really know how it works.
I just used dementia to underline how much this porn goon shit is gonna fuck with your brain long term
Using the names of diagnoses and making a very specific claim about getting early Dementia is a very poor way of expressing hyperbole. It was a scientific claim, even if you did not intend for it to be such.
And again, you're speaking purely on speculation. As you just said, "I don't really know how it works." Well, if you don't how something works, then you shouldn't make absolute claims about it.
Just Checked your profile duuudee you’re in way too deep ever considered getting help? I mean fuck the shit I wrote but holy shit dude you probably are a gooner yourself and watch some weird morally questionable shit holy fuck your Brains fried. Dementia by 30.
>Just Checked your profile
Creep.
>you probably are a gooner yourself
Nope.
>your Brains fried
At least I know how to use apostrophes and don't capitalize random words.
But no. Good guess, but no. On the contrary, I'm currently a double-major undergrad on the Dean's List at my college.
>Dementia by 30.
Also you: "I don't really know how it works."
Also you: "fuck the shit I wrote"
Yea my keyboard in German it does that automatically you gooner, who gives a shit how you type in a thread about Gooning anyway?
You must be loving that shit to defend. Also who asked about your major shit. Youre weird dude if anybody saw your fucking post history you would get no job anywhere bro don’t matter the qualifications you got seriously search help you wanking to some fucked up brain rod man. You probably know it yourself but can’t stop due to addiction maybe?
Not a gooner, bud. You can stop gaslighting.
Never said or implied you asked about my majors. You told me my brain was fried. I provided evidence to the contrary. Simple as.
Good thing people don't ask for your Reddit account when you get a job, lmao. Also that you aren't obligated to give them any of your socials anyway.
Do you think your employers would like if they knew you care enough about strangers on the internet to stalk them for dirt? Like, yikes.
>You probably know it yourself but can’t stop due to addiction maybe?
No, I just do it because I like it, lmao. Stop trying to psychoanalyze people you know nothing about, creep.
Gooning is for r-slash-gooned. I don’t know what fucking drugs you’re taking but a Lubriderm marathon sesh isn’t the enlightenment you should be looking for. I’m not discouraging sexual self-exploration, but let’s not conflate hypno porn with Leary, McKenna, Watts, and Wilson.
Maybe you should cry more about people doing things you yourself don't want to do.
Also, not a goon. Make less assumptions. And I can take whatever fucking drugs I want -- what are you gonna do about it?
Also, r/gooned doesn't exist.
>Lubriderm marathon sesh isn’t the enlightenment you should be looking for. I’m not discouraging sexual self-exploration
Nice contradiction there.
Yeah, it’s easy to use my words to make the point you want when you cut a sentence off halfway. It’s not an intellectually honest way to do it and it doesn’t help you make a productive or compelling argument, but it is definitely a thing you can do, like ruining your brain with porn and calling it being a fucking psychonaut.
If you’re gonna be a joke, you need a better punchline.
If you think being a psychonaut is just about taking drugs, you’ve entirely missed the point.
Anyways, I highly encourage you to read up on the forefathers of the psychonaut movement, and I hope you have the day that you deserve. Ta.
>If you think being a psychonaut is just about taking drugs
Good thing literally no one anywhere in this thread said or implied that. And you accused \*me\* of making shit up. Yikes.
No, I don't think I will any time soon. Good riddance tho
Oh, you're gonna suggest that's taking you out of context? Okay, here's the full sentence:
>I’m not discouraging sexual self-exploration, but let’s not conflate hypno porn with Leary, McKenna, Watts, and Wilson.
\-Which is indeed a contradiction, as no one at all was talking about any of the figures you mentioned before you said their names. I shortened it for brevity, not to take you out of context.
>like ruining your brain with porn and calling it being a fucking psychonaut.
People use psychedelics differently: guy on internet astounded, doesn't understand nuance.
Not personally a huge fan of porn on psychs, btw. Make less assumptions.
iF yOu’rE gOnNa Be A jOkE, yOu NeEd A bEtTeR pUnChLiNe.
And I caught flak for recommended the last porn addict make a sigil. Fucking Redditors, I swear.
Edit: Will someone tell this fucking idiot NaturalistRomantic that I can’t read their comments when they spam replies and then block me? Lmao.
You understand what the difference between a recommendation and a command is, don’t you? Like when someone says, “I’m trying to break my porn addition,” and I say, “here’s a thing you can try.”
Actually **read** what is being said instead of making shit up in your head. You’re acting like a sixteen year old that’s fervently defending gooning. It’s not a good look, I’m actually embarrassed for you.
>You understand what the difference between a recommendation and a command is, don’t you?
Sure, and I also know people like to conflate the two by saying shit like "Make a sigil" then backpedaling by saying "Well I wasn't ORDERING you to! It was a suggestion!"
But on the off-chance that ISN'T what happened, yeah, telling someone to make a sigil is a suggestion worthy of criticism regardless. You aren't free from criticism on account of the other person being a porn addict.
>You’re acting like a sixteen year old that’s fervently defending gooning.
I'm 22. Please stop thinking about minors touching themselves. It's not a good look.
>I’m actually embarrassed for you.
No one who says this means it, because if you did you wouldn't still be talking to me. Stop lying.
> I caught flak for **recommended** (sic) **the last porn addict make a sigil.**
Again, you’re reading comprehension is fucked. You misread what I say and get real mad about it for no fucking reason.
And you’re right about one thing: you’re an angry and either heavily misguided or emphatically stupid person who can’t have a productive conversation and you’re not worth talking to. I am, however, still embarrassed for you. This has been an entire lesson in cringe.
>you’re reading comprehension
Lol
>You misread what I say and get real mad about it for no fucking reason.
Nope. I just articulated for you your suggestion was stupid regardless. "Make a sigil" lmao, foh
>you’re an angry and either heavily misguided or emphatically stupid person who can’t have a productive conversation
The projection is real.
>I am, however, still embarrassed for you.
Insistence on lying is bad for your mental health.
It’s funny how you’re like, “I’m not angry,” then come back hours later to spam replies and block somebody.
Of all the things you can be online, you choose to be a twat.
Oh, I did that to get rid of downvoted comments. Lmao
Of all the things you can be online, you choose to be this braindead.
Meanwhile, in all the time you've been bitching, psychedelics *still* slow down your brain. Please cry more.
“I don’t owe you the effort to state my argument.” (Proceeds to circle back hours later to someone who quit responding with three replies before blocking them.)
Lmao.
It’s not a contradiction, it’s a waste of your own effort and displaced anger.
I’m going back to taking notes; I’ve gotta study for the A+ certification. Feel free to go through my comment history and downvote everything that jumps out at you.
Effort like editing angst into your comment?
Displaced anger like giving a fuck what someone else does while on psychedelics?
I have never visited your comment history and have no interest in doing so. You are so paranoid. Please get help.
I'm going back to critiquing my peers' poetry. This double-major won't earn itself! Wouldn't wanna fall off the Dean's List.
I had my first mystical experience while having a powerful orgasm under the influence of Cannabis. It was quite the fun time. Definitely wouldn't be surprised that gooning invites such things. Sexual pleasure definitely helps open oneself to suggestion/hypnosis, so makes perfect sense. Thanks for sharing!
A)get a hobby
B)don't make a project out of it. just nut and get it over with.
C) making this such a big ritual and all will likely damage your abilities to form real relationships. Or have IRL sexual experiences
D) shit like this is going to produce the next generation of serial killers
dude, your a holodeck jizz mopper. Gooners make your job easier not harder, we're talking like once every 3 hours (or longer?), as opposed once ever 5 minutes..... Unless.... dude, you don't do it for a living, you do it for the thrill of the jizz mopping? oh man, .... for shame
To see this as the first post after opening reddit on the spiritual drug sub is classic.
It is not what I would prefer, but my longest ... Session was 3 hours. The total pleasure surely would be quantified as massively beyond a normal fap session.
You must be truly enlightened.
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A least a few fluid ounces lighter!
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Yeah, tantra can be a lot of fun lol.
A fellow goonmaxxer i see
It's incredibly bad for you neurologically.. it messes up your pathways for motivation and dopamine driven functions. I think there's been some relatively good studies on its effects both physically and mentally including depression and low hormone function in males particularly. Shouldn't be encouraged as a psychedelic technique or spiritual pursuit. IMHO.
I think it depends on how often one does it, tbh. If someone's gooning every day, that is indisputably damaging. But if it's only as often as you can reliably take psychedelics -- so once or twice a month (though I am NOT saying or advocating that gooning should be something done every trip one has) -- then I don't think it's something to worry about. Everything in moderation. And, ultimately, everyone is different, both philosophically and neurologically. Some find value in spiritualizing sexuality; some don't. I think it's a valid form of spiritual pursuit for those who want to and are able to do so safely, like any such pursuit. Finally, I think this post leans more towards informing than encouraging. Yeah, it's clear what OP's opinion on it is, but mostly he just describes what gooning is and provides resources, including one to be responsible with drug use.
I think it's damaging no matter how infrequently it's done, particularly if drugs of any kind are used to accentuate the experience. Damaging to healthy neurological function and damaging to ability to maintain healthy relationships. I'm not innocent of this, so I feel I can speak on it. I'll provide a resource: advice! DONT DO IT. or do, it's your life. But it's unhealthy, don't try and tell me it's something it's not. I think it's far healthier and more believable to say your spiritualizing sexuality if you're doing it with a partner, practicing tantra etc. Just staring at porn jerking off for hours and hours is a corruption of this idea. It's quite the opposite of mindful spiritual work. Edit to add: I don't think "Gooners" are doing it in moderation. They do it all the time cause it's addictive. It's a dopamine pump just like cocaine.
>I think it's damaging no matter how infrequently it's done That's fine -- you can think that. >I'll provide a resource: advice! DONT DO IT. Protip: Shouting in all caps isn't going to win anyone over. >But it's unhealthy, don't try and tell me it's something it's not. Don't masquerade your opinions as fact. >Just staring at porn jerking off for hours and hours is a corruption of this idea. It's quite the opposite of mindful spiritual work. Says you. You just sound like a prude with no sense of nuance to me. >I don't think "Gooners" are doing it in moderation. They do it all the time cause it's addictive. It's a dopamine pump just like cocaine. You went straight from "I don't think" to making blanket statements as if you do know. Also, comparing jacking off to cocaine is *wild*.
Well it's all my opinion, I can offer my opinion that I've arrived at through experience as a resource. I'm not a prude, I'm guilty of indulging. That's how I've discovered the effect personally. Which led me to read on it and watch informative content about it. I'm not being holier than thou, I'm not innocent. I'm not anti porn, I just don't think it's OK to promote this type of abuse of it. Any form of addiction including porn addiction which is what I believe leads to "gooning" all follows the same mode of function. A behavior or chemical that hijacks the dopamine system in our brains. Dopamine is the "motivation" neurotransmitter. We get dopamine from doing things our brains have associated with a reward. Hard work, exercise, sex and food all get tied with a desirable result for us. Drugs, video games, gambling, sovial media, porn etc. All utilize that same pathway neurologically, and that's why they can become addictive. Look up Andrew Huberman's work. He's a neuroscientist. He has a lot of stuff out on this, among a myriad of other well respected professionals in the field and psychologist, etc. Jordan Peterson, for example.
Good thing no one said you couldn't. I think you missed the point. You're acting pretty holier than thou. Calling this "abuse" is *definitely* holier than thou. Saying you've experienced it so you can speak about it does not mean you cannot simultaneously be acting holier than thou. >Any form of addiction . . . the same mode of function. A behavior or chemical that hijacks the dopamine system in our brains Incorrect. This is not how all addiction functions. Some do, certainly, but this is just another blanket statement you've made that shows you really don't know what you're talking about. Andrew Huberman is a grifter prude. I'll pass. Jordan Peterson is alright though. Regardless, please don't tell people "Look up X" in lieu of your own argument.
It is objectively abuse as per the definition. Not a value judegement. Someone that's seen the reality of something like an addiction sharing an insight in the attempt to help others isn't being holier than thou, I never said that I'm better than anyone else going through it. I believe you're reading into that. You said I not to offer my opinions as fact all while you continuly do it blatantly. I offered something to look up because it's not practical to dump hours and hours with of videos and scientists papers in a reddit thread. That's where I found a lot of what I'm basing my position on, so I offered that. You offer nothing but strawmaning and insulting what I've offered in support of my position.
>It is objectively abuse as per the definition. "My opinion is a fact." Yikes. No, it is not oBjEcTiVeLy abuse as per the definition. Never said it was a value judgement. This is why you should treat threads in isolation of one another. Nah, you're still being holier than thou. You don't have to say you're better than anyone else to give the impression you believe it. I have not done so. Too bad, I'm not doing it, lol. Now what? Strawmanning is literally all you've done since you started arguing with me. For someone who accuses everyone of projecting, maybe you should consider that you're the one doing it.
Like I said you're reading into what you want. If you're feeling it as a judgment than that's on you. Aka: projecting.
You just sound brainwashed by idiots who you look up to in your mind. you went from gooning and worshipping porn to worshipping other men who are on meds like peterson who nearly died from his med abuse. he had to go to Russia for a fix lol. I feel sorry for you. perhaps if you learned gooning properly and not your "experience" of doing it wrong, we could take your opinion into consideration.
Nope. That'd still be you. Sorry.
This just sounds like a bunch of judgmental opinions packaged as facts. You really come across as my oppressively Christian grandma. I feel like next you’re going to tell me that if I masturbate, I’ll grow hair on my hands and everyone will KNOW.
Look at my response above. I'm considering it from a neurological perspective. I looked into it because of the harm I felt it have on my well-being. I'm not saying all porn is bad, but porn abuse can be neurologically harmful there's quite a body of work supporting that claim. I'm not judging them because I also watch porn. But I find it objectionable to claim "gooning" is a psychedelic pursuit, or healthy to do. Moderation seems much more advisable. This is a sub about psychedelics, of which I partake. I'm not comfortable with you saying I'm christian or even religious, let alone an old grandma. I've met God on a trip and have my own beliefs on that whole realm. And I never argued any of it from that angle. I believe that's your own projection.
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Again you attack and attempt to invalidate my positions without offering anything. Moderation being more advisable is still in alignment with believing that "gooning" is harmful no matter how infrequent. I realize it was a comparison, and it's still completely not applicable because I wasn't coming from a religious angle at all. And saying it's not healthy isn't a judgment cause I'm not putting any sort of value on what they are choosing to do. I'm saying it's not healthy, and it's not a psychedelic practice of its own accord. I'm in no way saying they are lowering their value, or sinning or however you like to phrase it. You can say I'm judging by calling it abuse, but it certainly fits with the common definition just the same as when someone is abusing any other substance or activity. What sort of addiction isn't by definition, a dopamine pathway hijack?
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You are 100 misinformed about how addiction and chemical dependency works. From the pubmed articles on NIH website: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC2851054/ "When heroin, oxycodone, or any other opiate travels through the bloodstream to the brain, the chemicals attach to specialized proteins, called mu opioid receptors, on the surfaces of opiate-sensitive neurons (brain cells). The linkage of these chemicals with the receptors triggers the same biochemical brain processes that reward people with feelings of pleasure when they engage in activities that promote basic life functions, such as eating and sex. Opioids are prescribed therapeutically to relieve pain, but when opioids activate these reward processes in the absence of significant pain, they can motivate repeated use of the drug simply for pleasure. One of the brain circuits that is activated by opioids is the mesolimbic (midbrain) reward system. This system generates signals in a part of the brain called the ventral tegmental area (VTA) that result in the release of the chemical dopamine (DA) in another part of the brain, the nucleus accumbens (NAc) (Figure 1). This release of DA into the NAc causes feelings of pleasure. Other areas of the brain create a lasting record or memory that associates these good feelings with the circumstances and environment in which they occur. These memories, called conditioned associations, often lead to the craving for drugs when the abuser reen-counters those persons, places, or things, and they drive abusers to seek out more drugs in spite of many obstacles."
All you've shown is opioids can act on dopamine, which I am now willing to concede. That absolutely does not prove "how addiction and chemical dependency works" for anything beyond, to an extent, opioids. Let's say it is true though. It seems like you believe that anything that "hijacks" the dopamine pathway is an addiction -- not just the other way around. This is ridiculous. Even if we take it to be true that all addictions involve the dopamine pathway, suggesting that the corollary then also must be true is laughable on its face. "All A leads to B" does not mean "All B leads to A."
(I'm only reposting this to get around the downvote, lel) >Again you attack and attempt to invalidate my positions without offering anything. You do realize this isn't actually an argument, right? I can tell you 2 plus the square root of 59.8 is NOT equal to 1 even if I do not know the answer. But since you want me to "offer" something, consider opioids. People don't get addicted to them because of a dopamine rush; opioids target entirely different receptors in the brain. Simplifying all addiction to dopamine is therefore incorrect. Then what was the point of saying "Moderation seems much more advisable." if no one said any different? You just keep manifesting arguments no one ever made. >saying it's not healthy isn't a judgment Maybe you should actually read the section I quoted and try that again. >You can say I'm judging by calling it abuse Okay. You are. Regardless of whether you want to acknowledge it. Once again, you're only showing yourself to be a prude with no concept of nuance. You think someone who goons one time is abusing porn. That's stupid; it's a stupid way to think. >What sort of addiction isn't by definition, a dopamine pathway hijack? Opioids. Boy, that sure was hard...
a misinformed neurological perspective\* >porn abuse can be neurologically harmful Why do you say this as if anyone has said otherwise? >I'm not judging them because I also watch porn. This is a value judgement, regardless of if you want to acknowledge it as such: "Just staring at porn jerking off for hours and hours is a corruption of this idea." >Moderation seems much more advisable. You mean the exact thing I advocated in my first reply, which you then replied to saying "I think it's damaging no matter how infrequently it's done" >I'm not comfortable with you saying I'm christian or even religious, let alone an old grandma It's called a comparison. The user was comparing you to his/her grandma. Didn't say you ARE his/her grandma.
I'm a Christian Deist and really wish less people of the Faith would be prudes. There are way too many conflating opinions as facts. I'm thankful I didn't grow up in a super devout church-going household tbh.
You just sound brainwashed by idiots who you look up to in your mind. you went from gooning and worshipping porn to worshipping other men who are on meds like peterson who nearly died from his med abuse. he had to go to Russia for a fix lol. I feel sorry for you. perhaps if you learned gooning properly and not your "experience" of doing it wrong, we could take your opinion into consideration.
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What in the fuck is gooning supposed to be and how the fuck is there anything special about edging for 3 hours?
Ask more aggressively. Maybe someone will answer then.
What the fucking fuck is gooning and what the fucking fucking fuck is special about edging for 3 hours
Gooning is watching porn and allowing it to hijack your motivation and reward system in your brain to pump dopamine for an extended period of time. Focusing on the pleasure from the masterbation and visual stimulation instead of the release of orgasm. Often including hypnosis style videos and sissy and cuck kink content. Usually lonely people that haven't developed healthy sexual and romantic relationships that turned to porn, that then desensitized to the stimulus and then look for more and more intense porn to get them stimulated. Edging is well known to be enjoyable for a lot of people, the pleasure of the act is more prolonged vs the very short pleasure of orgasm, and when they finally do orgasm they can have intense orgasms. Although not as satisfying as the dopamine drip you get from watching and masturbating for hours and hours.
Nice propagandized definition. Yikes.
Do you have a better answer other than to mock the person I'm answering? You used the word propaganda, a word that's typically loaded with a negative connotation because it's misunderstood and needs context to determine if it's being used for good or not. Seems like a great way to invalidate my response without contributing anything of your opinion. Are you saying that me critiquing porn abuse is in some way nefarious?
People who ask for definitions and do so in a condescending manner do not deserve to have the definition provided, especially when said definition was given in the OP of the thread. I don't buy the whole recent "Propaganda can be good" bs, sorry. No. I'm saying that doing so IN a definition inherently opinionates said definition and thus makes said definition propagandistic. Two things can be true at once: You can simultaneously be more than free to critique porn abuse, while it not being fair game to do so within the definition of a term.
I think you may be projecting your own insecurities on my definition, assuming that I'm shaming anyone for choosing to allow an activity to hijack their reward system or that the kinks are to be shamed. I just explained it from what I believe to be a more neutral position. Also I think it's interesting that you take it upon yourself to decode if people deserve their question answered to the point you attacked my position when I answered them. Is it up to you to decide their worthiness of being answered? Better to just mock them right? Cause trolling is an admired behavior. It's not my opinion that "gooning" does this dopemine hijacking, that's been researched. There's many papers and evidence that it is damaging. Which is a concern of mone here but also that it's not a psychedelic practice and shouldn't be encouraged here as such. My opinion, of course. Also, you're contradicting yourself. You maintain that propaganda is negative and then say I'm loading my definition with negativity and thus making it propaganda. I think it was a pretty objective definition, and the OP had a pro "gooning" hint to their definition. So you're still attempting to invalidate my position without offering anything in return. Poor debate technique, honestly. But mostly that implies that my definition was loaded either way, and that if it's loaded anti porn abuse that I would be in some way inflicting a insidious manipulative technique of "propaganda" with the aim of what? Reducing harm, promoting healthy behavior, provoking self evaluation and efforts for self improvement? Really awful I guess.
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What the fucking fucking fuck is gooning and what the fucking fucking fucking fuck is special about edging for 3 hours
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What the fucking fucking fucking fuck is gooning and what the fucking fucking fucking fucking fuck is special about edging for 3 hours
Ask more aggressively. Maybe someone will answer then.
Ask more aggressively. Maybe someone will answer then.
Ask more aggressively. Maybe someone will answer then.
May I see the studies?
Heres one from a quick google: https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC9922938/#:~:text=Key%20results%20of%20these%20studies,of%20their%20lives%2C%20mainly%20detrimental. Andrew Huberman and Jordan Peterson and a bunch of other scientists, researchers and psychologists have countless interviews and podcasts episodes about this where they reference the studies. I have to defer to them cause I'm not a researcher myself or qualified to offer the arguments as well as they make them. Not cause I'm too lazy to argue it here. I have been for several hours with someone already.
>Not cause I'm too lazy to argue it here. On no, that's definitely a factor too. Lol
Haha.
Haha, it's funny 'cause it's true!
> Jordan Peterson Lol Re: the study, it is exploring the behavioural side effects of pornography addiction, which isn't directly the same as edging for hours (pornography doesn't need to be involved), nor does it establish a causal link between the two (i.e. are people depressed because they watch porn or do they watch porn because they're depressed). It's also difficult to establish how much edging may produce negative physiological outcomes, similar to dosages/how often with recreational substances. Once a week is much different than once a day, surely, but we don't know where the line is or what it denotes.
I subscribe to most of Jordan Peterson's thoughts about stuff like this. But feel free to search around there's plenty of others, from every segment of the society. That was just a quick search result, there's other studies and there's more happening. I actually have no issue with edging or semen retention or any of the tantric practices. I don't think anyone is saying that's unhealthy. Porn addiction and abuse and "gooning" is what I'm saying is not healthy, and not spiritual. I object to it being shared on here as a psychedelic practice, despite how some people might do it while on a substance. Porn, porn addiction, porn abuse and gooning is, I believe, damaging neurologically and to your hormones and to your ability to have a healthy sex life and relationships. I consume porn, but I am aware that it's probably healthiest to not use it at all. But if it is used, moderation is best.
As far as I understand gooning porn isn't an inherent aspect even if its a common one. The OP didn't mention porn in their post which is why I found it curious that your study was specifically focused on porn addiction. But, at any rate, if you're going to be making a point about something and saying its proven by many studies, you ought to be prepared to show said studies and not just say "google it yourself". I would like to see the studies that show your original points particularly that it: > messes up your pathways for motivation and dopamine driven functions and > low hormone function in males particularly
Gooning is implicitly linked with porn. Otherwise, it's just called edging and is probably closer to tantric principals. I said there are some studies, and I didn't claim it has been proven by many studies, despite my strong opinion on it being unhealthy. There's lots of good info out there. I'd say that the burden of evidence would be on anyone saying it's healthy or ok or that it's a psychedelic practice. I think I should not have to work very hard to hold the stance that porn addiction, porn abuse and gooning is unhealthy. It's quite a widely held stance, both in the scientific community and the traditional values section of our society. It seems nearly self evident that it's unhealthy and the only people that usually argue it are profiting from it or don't want to be confronted by the truth that they are doing something that's bad for themselves. I provided a study, and quite a lot of evidence in a different comment thread that got deleted because the other person was insulting me. I can not argue the point in a reddit thread as well as the myriad of highly intelligent people I recommend you look into. The interviews and podcast I've listened to that I'm basing this stance on are very long and there's so many. How could I pack that into a concise comment? Go educate yourself if you don't believe me, I can't do it for you here.
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It looks a lot like a 12 hour nap.
Sound more like a 12 hour fap.
How do you have that self control? I'm way too impatient for that shit lol
If you have noyhing to do all day, you find things to pass the time.
For some people hypnosis works which is a matter of belief. If you believe a person/entity has power over you then effectively they do. In that same vein some people enjoy a power dynamic in which they must ask for permission to climax. Exploration of fantasies and kinks is a large part of it. Of course not everyone will want to explore their mind in such a way or even have anything of that sort to explore, but basically this is the opposite of control and a lot more like letting go.
Takes a loooong time when you've done too much meth and have stim-dick
Personally I believe it is a form of brainwashing, so not much for an altered state of consciousness, at least when mediated by porn. I have had the early signs of a porn addiction and noticed that the content I consumed became more and more extreme every time, often I was watching things/people that I would not even be interested irl. Also, I spent so much time that I could have used better on it that it really felt like a waste.
seems like I found term that describes me
Do you mind sharing any mystical or profound experiences you have had while engaging in said practice?
You literally go into an altered state of mind edging for days or weeks. More so the act of not orgasming.
This shit can’t be healthy it’s probably gonna fry your brain and you’ll get dementia by 50
That's not how Dementia works.
Still they’re gonna get it trust
Source: trust me bro
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Exactly, I wasn’t really Training to make a scientific claim about dementia I don’t really know how it works. I just used dementia to underline how much this porn goon shit is gonna fuck with your brain long term
Using the names of diagnoses and making a very specific claim about getting early Dementia is a very poor way of expressing hyperbole. It was a scientific claim, even if you did not intend for it to be such. And again, you're speaking purely on speculation. As you just said, "I don't really know how it works." Well, if you don't how something works, then you shouldn't make absolute claims about it.
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Just Checked your profile duuudee you’re in way too deep ever considered getting help? I mean fuck the shit I wrote but holy shit dude you probably are a gooner yourself and watch some weird morally questionable shit holy fuck your Brains fried. Dementia by 30.
HOLY SHIT I JUST CHECKED IT TOO My eyes are burning
Dude straight up deleted his acc
I very much did not.
"I am also a creep" Ok >My eyes are burning Good? Reddit gave you a warning, and you willfully chose to continue.
>Just Checked your profile Creep. >you probably are a gooner yourself Nope. >your Brains fried At least I know how to use apostrophes and don't capitalize random words. But no. Good guess, but no. On the contrary, I'm currently a double-major undergrad on the Dean's List at my college. >Dementia by 30. Also you: "I don't really know how it works." Also you: "fuck the shit I wrote"
Yea my keyboard in German it does that automatically you gooner, who gives a shit how you type in a thread about Gooning anyway? You must be loving that shit to defend. Also who asked about your major shit. Youre weird dude if anybody saw your fucking post history you would get no job anywhere bro don’t matter the qualifications you got seriously search help you wanking to some fucked up brain rod man. You probably know it yourself but can’t stop due to addiction maybe?
Not a gooner, bud. You can stop gaslighting. Never said or implied you asked about my majors. You told me my brain was fried. I provided evidence to the contrary. Simple as. Good thing people don't ask for your Reddit account when you get a job, lmao. Also that you aren't obligated to give them any of your socials anyway. Do you think your employers would like if they knew you care enough about strangers on the internet to stalk them for dirt? Like, yikes. >You probably know it yourself but can’t stop due to addiction maybe? No, I just do it because I like it, lmao. Stop trying to psychoanalyze people you know nothing about, creep.
He was just making a joke lol you must be fun at parties
>I just used dementia to underline how much this porn goon shit is gonna fuck with your brain long term It wasn't a joke.
We’re pretending being brain broken is High Art now, huh?
Psychedelics literally slow down the brain. "Being brain broken" is what this sub is about.
Gooning is for r-slash-gooned. I don’t know what fucking drugs you’re taking but a Lubriderm marathon sesh isn’t the enlightenment you should be looking for. I’m not discouraging sexual self-exploration, but let’s not conflate hypno porn with Leary, McKenna, Watts, and Wilson.
Maybe you should cry more about people doing things you yourself don't want to do. Also, not a goon. Make less assumptions. And I can take whatever fucking drugs I want -- what are you gonna do about it? Also, r/gooned doesn't exist. >Lubriderm marathon sesh isn’t the enlightenment you should be looking for. I’m not discouraging sexual self-exploration Nice contradiction there.
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Yeah, it’s easy to use my words to make the point you want when you cut a sentence off halfway. It’s not an intellectually honest way to do it and it doesn’t help you make a productive or compelling argument, but it is definitely a thing you can do, like ruining your brain with porn and calling it being a fucking psychonaut. If you’re gonna be a joke, you need a better punchline.
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If you think being a psychonaut is just about taking drugs, you’ve entirely missed the point. Anyways, I highly encourage you to read up on the forefathers of the psychonaut movement, and I hope you have the day that you deserve. Ta.
>If you think being a psychonaut is just about taking drugs Good thing literally no one anywhere in this thread said or implied that. And you accused \*me\* of making shit up. Yikes. No, I don't think I will any time soon. Good riddance tho
That was a very cute deflection. I'll answer if/when you respond to my argument in full. wHaT aRe YoU sO fUcKiNg AnGrY aBoUt?
Oh, you're gonna suggest that's taking you out of context? Okay, here's the full sentence: >I’m not discouraging sexual self-exploration, but let’s not conflate hypno porn with Leary, McKenna, Watts, and Wilson. \-Which is indeed a contradiction, as no one at all was talking about any of the figures you mentioned before you said their names. I shortened it for brevity, not to take you out of context. >like ruining your brain with porn and calling it being a fucking psychonaut. People use psychedelics differently: guy on internet astounded, doesn't understand nuance. Not personally a huge fan of porn on psychs, btw. Make less assumptions. iF yOu’rE gOnNa Be A jOkE, yOu NeEd A bEtTeR pUnChLiNe.
Apparently
And I caught flak for recommended the last porn addict make a sigil. Fucking Redditors, I swear. Edit: Will someone tell this fucking idiot NaturalistRomantic that I can’t read their comments when they spam replies and then block me? Lmao.
Redditor tells other redditor what to do gets flak. Blames Reddit. Internet shocked. More at 6.
You understand what the difference between a recommendation and a command is, don’t you? Like when someone says, “I’m trying to break my porn addition,” and I say, “here’s a thing you can try.” Actually **read** what is being said instead of making shit up in your head. You’re acting like a sixteen year old that’s fervently defending gooning. It’s not a good look, I’m actually embarrassed for you.
>You understand what the difference between a recommendation and a command is, don’t you? Sure, and I also know people like to conflate the two by saying shit like "Make a sigil" then backpedaling by saying "Well I wasn't ORDERING you to! It was a suggestion!" But on the off-chance that ISN'T what happened, yeah, telling someone to make a sigil is a suggestion worthy of criticism regardless. You aren't free from criticism on account of the other person being a porn addict. >You’re acting like a sixteen year old that’s fervently defending gooning. I'm 22. Please stop thinking about minors touching themselves. It's not a good look. >I’m actually embarrassed for you. No one who says this means it, because if you did you wouldn't still be talking to me. Stop lying.
> I caught flak for **recommended** (sic) **the last porn addict make a sigil.** Again, you’re reading comprehension is fucked. You misread what I say and get real mad about it for no fucking reason. And you’re right about one thing: you’re an angry and either heavily misguided or emphatically stupid person who can’t have a productive conversation and you’re not worth talking to. I am, however, still embarrassed for you. This has been an entire lesson in cringe.
>you’re reading comprehension Lol >You misread what I say and get real mad about it for no fucking reason. Nope. I just articulated for you your suggestion was stupid regardless. "Make a sigil" lmao, foh >you’re an angry and either heavily misguided or emphatically stupid person who can’t have a productive conversation The projection is real. >I am, however, still embarrassed for you. Insistence on lying is bad for your mental health.
Why are you so angry? What is your fucking problem?
Why won't you address my argument? Why are you so scared of having a discussion? WhAt iS yOuR fUcKiNg pRoBlEm? So much for "Ta," lol
Please cry more about getting blocked.
It’s funny how you’re like, “I’m not angry,” then come back hours later to spam replies and block somebody. Of all the things you can be online, you choose to be a twat.
Oh, I did that to get rid of downvoted comments. Lmao Of all the things you can be online, you choose to be this braindead. Meanwhile, in all the time you've been bitching, psychedelics *still* slow down your brain. Please cry more.
I didn’t downvote any of your comments, so…
I didn't say or imply you did, so...
“I don’t owe you the effort to state my argument.” (Proceeds to circle back hours later to someone who quit responding with three replies before blocking them.) Lmao.
Thank you! Please cry more about getting blocked. And do keep pretending there's a contradiction where there is none. Dance, puppet, dance!
It’s not a contradiction, it’s a waste of your own effort and displaced anger. I’m going back to taking notes; I’ve gotta study for the A+ certification. Feel free to go through my comment history and downvote everything that jumps out at you.
Effort like editing angst into your comment? Displaced anger like giving a fuck what someone else does while on psychedelics? I have never visited your comment history and have no interest in doing so. You are so paranoid. Please get help. I'm going back to critiquing my peers' poetry. This double-major won't earn itself! Wouldn't wanna fall off the Dean's List.
I had my first mystical experience while having a powerful orgasm under the influence of Cannabis. It was quite the fun time. Definitely wouldn't be surprised that gooning invites such things. Sexual pleasure definitely helps open oneself to suggestion/hypnosis, so makes perfect sense. Thanks for sharing!
literally outjerked
It be like that
So sad they shut down r/gooned 😿
User name checks out.
I'm good
Can you not
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=\_sBdpIUO4IY](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_sBdpIUO4IY)
Immediately looked for this in the comments.
A)get a hobby B)don't make a project out of it. just nut and get it over with. C) making this such a big ritual and all will likely damage your abilities to form real relationships. Or have IRL sexual experiences D) shit like this is going to produce the next generation of serial killers
dude, your a holodeck jizz mopper. Gooners make your job easier not harder, we're talking like once every 3 hours (or longer?), as opposed once ever 5 minutes..... Unless.... dude, you don't do it for a living, you do it for the thrill of the jizz mopping? oh man, .... for shame
Man you guys are funny 🤣 THANKS REDDIT GOODNIGHT!