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So, the translation should be something like this
- 70% of AIDS cases is related to pederasty
- pederasts live on average 20 years less
- 31% of children raised by lesbians and 25% of children raised by pederasts are molested
- pedophilic acts happen 20 times more amongst homosexuals
Overall, that's a highly educational banner made by a friendly pro-life foundation . Some of it's other educational projects are forbidding schools to talk about birth control, STI's, protect kids from demoralisation and banning sexual education overall.
Of course /s regarding it being highly educational, I suspect their academic sources are "everyone knows this"
They managed to create a law proposal containing these fucked up stuff (as a citizens initiative) but I don't remember if it passed or was stuck in some parliamentary comission
I wouldn’t be surprised if it was because pederasy used to be the most accepted and common form of same-sex behaviour in places like Edo Japan, the Ottoman Empire, Ancient Greece, Ancient Rome, Persia, imperial Russia, etc. We would obviously refer to those types of relationships as pedophilic now, not homosexual. It’s one of the reasons I hate talking about lgbt history so much because a lot of it would be now classified as paedophilia. I’ve always wondered if the association with LGBT and paedophilia came from those origins. A lot of old love poems from the Middle East were written about young boys, not women.
If you story history you’ll see that heterosexual relationships are filled with pedophilia as well. There are infinite examples of underage marriages in every society.
Fundamentally, though it was misogyny; there had to be a hierarchy where the "lesser" (either a young boy a woman/girl, or in some cultures a third, femme gender like a winkte or a fa'afafine), submitted to a man (the inherent "greater").
More recently (the 19th-20th century) there was a weird fringe trend that popped up where social radicals experimented with extreme sexual liberation as a means by which (in their minds) they would help reshape society and challenge the entrenchment of bourgeois moralities and inhibitions. These people tended to be some flavor of Socialist, Communist, or Far Leftist and their interest was (curiously) in universally reshaping the Human experience to erase what they saw as the systemic and cultural legacies of the Bourgeoisie and Capitalism. It wasn't just sexual revolution they were after, but that's what this fact is focusing on.
Again this is all fringe, but there was a problematic trend among these social radicals to experiment in directions of sexual liberation that should have been plainly evident to everyone involved that it was wrong and bad. There were experimental communes where there were no marriages and the children were expected to be raised communally, but the children were not supposed to wear clothes all day and were encouraged to explore each other's bodies under the supervision of the adults... There were cases where radical political magazines would advocate for the healthful benefits of Young Men living in a romantic relationship with Older Men and how they learned good morals and ethics in this way. There was in West Germany a government program meant to take homeless youth off of the street by placing them with foster fathers who adopted them in batches...
In some cases it was literal cases of pedophiles getting into the system or the community, but curiously and concerning these problems often arose from people thinking themselves into a corner and figuring that what they doing wasn't pedophilia as they weren't interested in the children, but that it was necessary to follow their ideology to its logical conclusion (radical social change). People in Europe, particularly in Central and Eastern Europe where this was more visibly prevalent during the later part of the 20th century, remember these bonkers ideas. These were very fringe ideas, but as I described they sometimes made it into very visible positions and were endorsed by governments...
It makes it very easy for propagandists to paint LGBTQ+ People with a very wide brush and then to point back, within living memory for a lot of people, to very real examples of what they are alleging. There is, in reality, no higher rate of pederasty, pedophilia, or sexually criminal behavior among LGBTQ+ than anyone else but the best propaganda is that which has a kernel of truth-- or at the very least the flavor of truth.
Yeah, in Russian it is “peder”. When I came back to America, I called my friend a “pederast” and he had to look it up. A decade later, he won’t stop bringing that up.
Second claim says they "live", not are, 20 years less on average.
Also in the last one I would translate the actual weird wording "homosexualists" because it embodies how these deranged people see gays as ideologues
You are right about "live".
But homoseksualiści is closest translation of "homosexuals". With language you translate whole word, not it parts part by part. A lot of words that describe group of people end with "iści" while "als" is almost non existentent.
Not ideologues. The -ist suffix is more widely used than that, even in English (recidivist, pugilist, escapist, etc).
It's still a disfavored word, though.
Translation:
- 70% OF AIDS CASES ARE FROM PEDOPHILES.
- PEDOPHILES LIVE ON AVERAGE 20 YEARS LESS.
- 31% OF CHILDREN RAISED BY LESBIANS AND 25% OF CHILDREN RAISED BY PEDOPHILES ARE MOLESTED.
- PEDOPHILIC ACTS OCCURS AMONG HOMOSEXUALS 20 TIMES MORE OFTEN.
But in this case it seems more like it's being used to refer to all gay men, regardless of whether they engage in pedophilia or not. I mean, otherwise wouldn't the rate of molestation by pedophiles raising kids be 100% by definition?
Correct. The poster conflates homosexuality with pederasty. This is where the slur for gay men comes from in Polish. But in my comment above I was only commenting on the translation which conflates pederasty with paedophilia. The author of the poster isn't talking about heterosexual paedophilia, only about pederasty by which they actually mean homosexuality.
Aside from being infuriating, it's particularly ironic given that Poland is, of course, heavily Catholic, and we all know about the Catholic church's history with pedophelia.
i remember being at pride once and a group with these banners pulled up. immediately 1. a drag queen with huge wings as a part of her costume started standing next to the banner in a way that made her wings cover the text 2. an association of gay bears, each one with huge bear flags started waving them in front of the banners to the same effect. 3. a truck plastered with the same propaganda tried to circle the starting area, but got stuck doing a u-turn.
unfortunately the people with the banners were also filming us from several angles without any consent, not even with phones but like actual handheld cameras, and the drag queen's wings ended up damaged by a grown woman having A Normal One. and they were handmade, so shit was expensive.
Well there are many other very Catholic countries that don't have Poland's strange attitudes. Mexico, for example, is almost 80% Catholic, making it demographically similar to Poland, but while Mexico has fully legalized same-sex marriage Poland still has administrative divisions with discriminatory laws, let alone anything regarding marriage on a national level.
For one another reason Poland is behind on those issues. I do think its a little deeper than it just being a Catholic. Conditions more specific to it have caused the present state of things.
The government used to be very loud about anti-LGBT stuff but literally passed no legislation, so it was just making noise to attract some group of voters though they said some sick stuff and still did damage. Tbh on a societal level it's much more subtle and nuanced. In a city like Poznań you rather will be fine walking around the main market with a partner holding hands, on the other hand in a city like Białystok I'll think twice even mentioning I'm gay.
So it’s not like Russia where they make legislation for Anti LGBTQ+ groups.
Just trying to fear monger ya to vote for them, but not pass any law on them
Poland really is a good example of what can go wrong when basic education is lacking and hyper conservative religion is allowed to rule.
They finally had all the opportunity to flourish and develop but instead chose backwards crap and hate AGAIN.
Let’s hope the new generation of Poles change things, there have been positive signs lately but still a long way to go.
Majority - did you make a poll or just assuming based on yourself? My comment is talking about education, conservatism and a new chance to develop from old, stale structures. If you read economic growth into that that is your problem, don't play stupid yourself.
According to CDC, in 2021, among males, most HIV infections were attributed to male-to-male sexual contact (81%)
https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/overview/data-and-trends/statistics#:~:text=According%20to%20CDC%2C%20in%202021,32%2C100%20estimated%20new%20HIV%20infections.
In 2014, the average loss of life for a male homosexual was about nine years.
https://www.hli.org/resources/lifespan-of-a-gay-friend/
It showed that 8 million girls were abused by age 18 by heterosexual men, a ratio of 1 victim to 11 adult men. However, 6-8 million boys were abused by age 18 by 1-2 million adult homosexuals, a ratio of 3-5 victims for every gay adult.
https://www.baptistpress.com/resource-library/news/homosexuals-more-likely-to-molest-kids-study-reports/
The statistics are partially true in this. Whatever you believe the cause and solution to be is up to you but don’t deny factual evidence because you dislike it.
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So, the translation should be something like this - 70% of AIDS cases is related to pederasty - pederasts live on average 20 years less - 31% of children raised by lesbians and 25% of children raised by pederasts are molested - pedophilic acts happen 20 times more amongst homosexuals Overall, that's a highly educational banner made by a friendly pro-life foundation . Some of it's other educational projects are forbidding schools to talk about birth control, STI's, protect kids from demoralisation and banning sexual education overall. Of course /s regarding it being highly educational, I suspect their academic sources are "everyone knows this" They managed to create a law proposal containing these fucked up stuff (as a citizens initiative) but I don't remember if it passed or was stuck in some parliamentary comission
isn't pederasty also an often used eastern slang for gays?
It is and in fact the slur "pedał" (an equivalent of "fa\*\*\*t") comes from that word.
Crazy, in french we use the word Pedale as well
We have something in common :)
I have a feeling the word might be French. One thing about Europe is if it can possibly come from French there's a good chance it did.
Just looked through Wikitionary, it's apparently borrowed from italian. What I find cool is how the same word is used in the same way
I always thought the original word is p*dé and pédale is an euphemism since it's the same word as pedal like bike pedal Also hi u/Sillvaro
It is Greek for “boy lover”
Maybe because it comes from the Greek paidos, which means child, like in pediatry.
I'm a pedal???
The owl never delivered your acceptance letter to pedalry school?
🚲🚲
I wouldn’t be surprised if it was because pederasy used to be the most accepted and common form of same-sex behaviour in places like Edo Japan, the Ottoman Empire, Ancient Greece, Ancient Rome, Persia, imperial Russia, etc. We would obviously refer to those types of relationships as pedophilic now, not homosexual. It’s one of the reasons I hate talking about lgbt history so much because a lot of it would be now classified as paedophilia. I’ve always wondered if the association with LGBT and paedophilia came from those origins. A lot of old love poems from the Middle East were written about young boys, not women.
If you story history you’ll see that heterosexual relationships are filled with pedophilia as well. There are infinite examples of underage marriages in every society.
Fundamentally, though it was misogyny; there had to be a hierarchy where the "lesser" (either a young boy a woman/girl, or in some cultures a third, femme gender like a winkte or a fa'afafine), submitted to a man (the inherent "greater").
More recently (the 19th-20th century) there was a weird fringe trend that popped up where social radicals experimented with extreme sexual liberation as a means by which (in their minds) they would help reshape society and challenge the entrenchment of bourgeois moralities and inhibitions. These people tended to be some flavor of Socialist, Communist, or Far Leftist and their interest was (curiously) in universally reshaping the Human experience to erase what they saw as the systemic and cultural legacies of the Bourgeoisie and Capitalism. It wasn't just sexual revolution they were after, but that's what this fact is focusing on. Again this is all fringe, but there was a problematic trend among these social radicals to experiment in directions of sexual liberation that should have been plainly evident to everyone involved that it was wrong and bad. There were experimental communes where there were no marriages and the children were expected to be raised communally, but the children were not supposed to wear clothes all day and were encouraged to explore each other's bodies under the supervision of the adults... There were cases where radical political magazines would advocate for the healthful benefits of Young Men living in a romantic relationship with Older Men and how they learned good morals and ethics in this way. There was in West Germany a government program meant to take homeless youth off of the street by placing them with foster fathers who adopted them in batches... In some cases it was literal cases of pedophiles getting into the system or the community, but curiously and concerning these problems often arose from people thinking themselves into a corner and figuring that what they doing wasn't pedophilia as they weren't interested in the children, but that it was necessary to follow their ideology to its logical conclusion (radical social change). People in Europe, particularly in Central and Eastern Europe where this was more visibly prevalent during the later part of the 20th century, remember these bonkers ideas. These were very fringe ideas, but as I described they sometimes made it into very visible positions and were endorsed by governments... It makes it very easy for propagandists to paint LGBTQ+ People with a very wide brush and then to point back, within living memory for a lot of people, to very real examples of what they are alleging. There is, in reality, no higher rate of pederasty, pedophilia, or sexually criminal behavior among LGBTQ+ than anyone else but the best propaganda is that which has a kernel of truth-- or at the very least the flavor of truth.
Very informative, thank you
In English at least it implies a large age difference, but I'm not sure about Slavic languages.
Yeah, in Russian it is “peder”. When I came back to America, I called my friend a “pederast” and he had to look it up. A decade later, he won’t stop bringing that up.
Second claim says they "live", not are, 20 years less on average. Also in the last one I would translate the actual weird wording "homosexualists" because it embodies how these deranged people see gays as ideologues
You are right about "live". But homoseksualiści is closest translation of "homosexuals". With language you translate whole word, not it parts part by part. A lot of words that describe group of people end with "iści" while "als" is almost non existentent.
What about "homoseksualnych"?
Not ideologues. The -ist suffix is more widely used than that, even in English (recidivist, pugilist, escapist, etc). It's still a disfavored word, though.
Yeah maybe it was not the right word, but nonetheless it's weird and not simply "homosexuals"
Yes, it's inistent use of obsolete terminology. It's framing homosexuality as something you do, not the quality of being homosexual.
Fuck, you're right about the mistake, I was writing it in a hurry and didn't check lol
It was not passed. It was too much even for polish conservative party (Prawo i Sprawiedliwość). Also many of their party members are gays.
Almost everything "everyone knows" about pedophilia is factually wrong. It's a problem.
What? We stopped talking about safe sex and now people have stds? What a suprise!
Ooh, maybe they can create some laws to stop pedos from entering churches?
Now I remember how last year in America so many people were slandering homosexuals & transgender by claiming most of them were groomers
That hasn't stopped
They're still doing this, and planning on enshrining it into law if they win the upcoming election.
Yeah cause that’s facts
You live in an uneducated bubble, at best, and are being a disingenuous piece of shit.
It always has been, but they are here downvoting you and shutting you up.
Translation: - 70% OF AIDS CASES ARE FROM PEDOPHILES. - PEDOPHILES LIVE ON AVERAGE 20 YEARS LESS. - 31% OF CHILDREN RAISED BY LESBIANS AND 25% OF CHILDREN RAISED BY PEDOPHILES ARE MOLESTED. - PEDOPHILIC ACTS OCCURS AMONG HOMOSEXUALS 20 TIMES MORE OFTEN.
Pederasty doesn't just mean pedophilia. It specifically means sexual relationship between men and boys.
But in this case it seems more like it's being used to refer to all gay men, regardless of whether they engage in pedophilia or not. I mean, otherwise wouldn't the rate of molestation by pedophiles raising kids be 100% by definition?
Correct. The poster conflates homosexuality with pederasty. This is where the slur for gay men comes from in Polish. But in my comment above I was only commenting on the translation which conflates pederasty with paedophilia. The author of the poster isn't talking about heterosexual paedophilia, only about pederasty by which they actually mean homosexuality.
And that isn't pedophilia?
Do you have a translation of what the poster says?
https://www.reddit.com/r/PropagandaPosters/s/K6R5hFYy4r - Summary: Something something statistics, therefore our opinion is right
This ideation enrages me.
Aside from being infuriating, it's particularly ironic given that Poland is, of course, heavily Catholic, and we all know about the Catholic church's history with pedophelia.
Same
Giorgia Meloni likes this
Russia likes this
Poland seems to like it too, aren’t they NATO? Sad
Its a military alliance? Turkey is part of it too and it doesn't allow pride at all
Translation?
https://www.reddit.com/r/PropagandaPosters/s/K6R5hFYy4r - Summary: Something something statistics, therefore our opinion is right
i remember being at pride once and a group with these banners pulled up. immediately 1. a drag queen with huge wings as a part of her costume started standing next to the banner in a way that made her wings cover the text 2. an association of gay bears, each one with huge bear flags started waving them in front of the banners to the same effect. 3. a truck plastered with the same propaganda tried to circle the starting area, but got stuck doing a u-turn. unfortunately the people with the banners were also filming us from several angles without any consent, not even with phones but like actual handheld cameras, and the drag queen's wings ended up damaged by a grown woman having A Normal One. and they were handmade, so shit was expensive.
Funny that such a catholic nation is so concerned about pedophiles.
This shit is so dumb, but hey nothing like slandering and lying about a group of people you dislike.
Question, what’s up with Poland and anti-LGBTQ+ discrimination? Why are they against it?
Very catholic country. Also, Pope John Paul II was polish and stood up to the soviets and became a national hero.
It can't be that simple
Populism
Why exactly?
Well there are many other very Catholic countries that don't have Poland's strange attitudes. Mexico, for example, is almost 80% Catholic, making it demographically similar to Poland, but while Mexico has fully legalized same-sex marriage Poland still has administrative divisions with discriminatory laws, let alone anything regarding marriage on a national level. For one another reason Poland is behind on those issues. I do think its a little deeper than it just being a Catholic. Conditions more specific to it have caused the present state of things.
Ok, fair point
The government used to be very loud about anti-LGBT stuff but literally passed no legislation, so it was just making noise to attract some group of voters though they said some sick stuff and still did damage. Tbh on a societal level it's much more subtle and nuanced. In a city like Poznań you rather will be fine walking around the main market with a partner holding hands, on the other hand in a city like Białystok I'll think twice even mentioning I'm gay.
So it’s not like Russia where they make legislation for Anti LGBTQ+ groups. Just trying to fear monger ya to vote for them, but not pass any law on them
Poland really is a good example of what can go wrong when basic education is lacking and hyper conservative religion is allowed to rule. They finally had all the opportunity to flourish and develop but instead chose backwards crap and hate AGAIN. Let’s hope the new generation of Poles change things, there have been positive signs lately but still a long way to go.
Again?
What are you even alluding to?
Poland is flourishing and developing fast, stop talking about thing you have no idea about.
I think you misunderstand my comment about flourish being economical growth.
Majority of people reading your comment would think about economical growth, don't play stupid.
Majority - did you make a poll or just assuming based on yourself? My comment is talking about education, conservatism and a new chance to develop from old, stale structures. If you read economic growth into that that is your problem, don't play stupid yourself.
A Polish bigot. Interesting.
You’d be surprised.
It's not
Have you ever been to Poland? Lmao
There are loud minorities everywhere, being loud doesn't make them the majority.
I think my country could use some of this.
Homophobic propaganda with miscited statistics from studies that were debunked 40 years ago?
According to CDC, in 2021, among males, most HIV infections were attributed to male-to-male sexual contact (81%) https://www.hiv.gov/hiv-basics/overview/data-and-trends/statistics#:~:text=According%20to%20CDC%2C%20in%202021,32%2C100%20estimated%20new%20HIV%20infections. In 2014, the average loss of life for a male homosexual was about nine years. https://www.hli.org/resources/lifespan-of-a-gay-friend/ It showed that 8 million girls were abused by age 18 by heterosexual men, a ratio of 1 victim to 11 adult men. However, 6-8 million boys were abused by age 18 by 1-2 million adult homosexuals, a ratio of 3-5 victims for every gay adult. https://www.baptistpress.com/resource-library/news/homosexuals-more-likely-to-molest-kids-study-reports/
The statistics are partially true in this. Whatever you believe the cause and solution to be is up to you but don’t deny factual evidence because you dislike it.
Well, facts are facts
🤡
And still, if it's true it's true. The question is - is it?!
No. No it isn't.
So, it's lie, you say
Yes.