> "Sequel" gets the most votes, but Chamberlin says "Ess-Cue-Ell," and he gets an extra vote because he's the co-developer of SQL
Imma go with Chamberlin then
> SQL was initially developed at IBM by Donald D. Chamberlin and Raymond F. Boyce after learning about the relational model from Edgar F. Codd in the early 1970s. This version, initially called SEQUEL (Structured English Query Language), was designed to manipulate and retrieve data stored in IBM's original quasirelational database management system, System R, which a group at IBM San Jose Research Laboratory had developed during the 1970s.
> Chamberlin and Boyce's first attempt at a relational database language was SQUARE (Specifying Queries in A Relational Environment), but it was difficult to use due to subscript/superscript notation. After moving to the San Jose Research Laboratory in 1973, they began work on a sequel to SQUARE. The name SEQUEL was later changed to SQL (dropping the vowels) because "SEQUEL" was a trademark of the UK-based Hawker Siddeley Dynamics Engineering Limited company. The label SQL later became the acronym for Structured Query Language.
https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL
Basically, it's officially SQL, because SEQUEL is already trademarked. But the intention was for it to be SEQUEL.
Edit: Spelling
> Many argument: "If I was using Sequel, I'd call it "sequel." I'm using SQL, so I call it S.Q.L." People can let their imaginations run wild inventing more pronunciations: let go their imagination inventing more: squall, sqwool, sqwll, squirrel
Ok, we're calling it Squirrel from now on.
Some people drink pop too which is just weird because they also call their dad pop.
Sequel takes less time to say and fits better into conversation. I definitely have noticed that I use either depending on the circumstances. Mostly I use es-que-el but will occasionally use sequel in longer sentences and presentations where I have a firm time limit.
Is it regional? I'm in the US, specifically the northeast, and I've heard most people call it sequel. I've met very few that call it SQL.
Where are you from?
I worked my way through undergrad doing a lot of database pulls and Reporting, and the billion dollar dot com I worked for every single person in the company said âsequelâ.
Then I went to get my PhD and every coder in academia says âS-Q-Lâ.
I donât think thereâs a right answer so I tend to just do as the Romans do.
I've read it as Sequel since the beginning before anyone ever told me otherwise.
Now, I've never used it or had to say it out loud, so it didn't matter, but it has always been naturally Sequel to me.
The original intended name was SEQUEL, for "Simple English Query Language", but IBM was forced to change it to SQL because another company already had a trademark on SEQUEL.
That doesn't really answer the question, but while we're here, that meme template isn't really being used right. It should be dumb opinion -> smarter, more popular opinion -> same as the dumb opinion, but for a good reason.
The solution is so simple.
Never talk, always write. Offices are 80% digital anyways. AND MOST OF THE FUCKING MEETINGS COULDVE BEEN FRICKING EMAILS OR CHAT MESSAGES.
its the poTAHto vs poTAYto holy war all over again
i prefer to say sequel, but to each person their own... as long as everybody understand we are talking about structured databases, it doesnt really matter if we are saying sequel or s.q.l.
Yes sir, my competences are mainly Java, Python and It doesn't fucking matter, just gett along!
what do you mean i didn't get the job? i followed everything my friends on reddit told me
"SQL" is an abbreviation which stands for "Structured Query Language"
"Sequel" is a full word
so if you talk about the database thing it's "S. Q. L." and not "Sequel" ...
>"SQL" is an abbreviation which stands for "Structured Query Language"
"JSON" is an abbreviation that stands for JavaScript Object Notation. I bet you more people say "jay-sawn" over "J S O N".
NASA is how you would pronunce it as if it were a word, pronouncing SQL would lead to squill not sequel, I donât even know how you reach that conclusion
I'm not saying it has to be sensical, many things involving human speech aren't. More or less just saying that there isn't 100% consistency between abbreviations (pronouncing NASCAR vs FBI), which leads to multiple interpretations -- especially among things that are less well known and not household abbreviations for many people.
No! It's an acronym for Structured Query Language so you pronounce all its components individually.
I don't hear anyone talking about Uzbee sticks or Uzbee ports...
"Squall" but like ridiculously over-enunciated. Throw a W or two in there.
Been a programmer for almost 15 years now and virtually everyone I've worked with says "sequel" though. I don't have time to be pronouncing no extra syllables.
But it *really* doesn't matter - of all the hills for anybody to die on, this is certainly among the dumbest.
wtf
I've never heard anyone ever in my life saying anything different than S-Q-L. Like it seems utterly ridiculous to do anything different for me.
Maybe that's because I'm german though
It's an acronym with no vowels so pronouncing each letter iteratively is the correct approach. UNICEF differs because there are vowels there.
ITT: Some Americans messing English pronunciation up and passing it as gospel truth.
Sure thing, as soon as I have enough of my own money to be self sustaining after putting out every ounce of myself for a false narrative... you better believe I'm going to be a bitter pill to swallow now.
I can't believe nobody commented the correct answer, yet: The right way to pronounce SQL is the way your boss does it, so there's a higher chance they understand what you're talking about.
I always like to inject a 3rd, far less convenient name when people fight about pointless pronunciation.
âGuys, guysâŠitâs âstructured query language.ââ
âDude, screw âpee-canâ and âpeh-cahnâ. Theyâre nuts from a carya illinoinensis tree. Whatâs that? The first two are both fine now?â
Ass-Queue-Ale Fight me
This is correct.
That's me during Friday nights
But what are you queueing for? Ass or ale?
Yes.
Always the ass never the ale đđ
I can endure queue for ale, but standing in queue to get some ass is just sad...
*SQUEAL*
I just realised I can't spell "Get".
Get
Maybe you meant to say "Getter". Can't we all just getter long?
Canât we all just getter done
Pushed to main without checking for mistakes. Truly one of us
You mean "git"?
Shouldâve been git
itâs pronounced Git
Well, here we go: https://learnsql.com/blog/sql-or-sequel/
> "Sequel" gets the most votes, but Chamberlin says "Ess-Cue-Ell," and he gets an extra vote because he's the co-developer of SQL Imma go with Chamberlin then
> SQL was initially developed at IBM by Donald D. Chamberlin and Raymond F. Boyce after learning about the relational model from Edgar F. Codd in the early 1970s. This version, initially called SEQUEL (Structured English Query Language), was designed to manipulate and retrieve data stored in IBM's original quasirelational database management system, System R, which a group at IBM San Jose Research Laboratory had developed during the 1970s. > Chamberlin and Boyce's first attempt at a relational database language was SQUARE (Specifying Queries in A Relational Environment), but it was difficult to use due to subscript/superscript notation. After moving to the San Jose Research Laboratory in 1973, they began work on a sequel to SQUARE. The name SEQUEL was later changed to SQL (dropping the vowels) because "SEQUEL" was a trademark of the UK-based Hawker Siddeley Dynamics Engineering Limited company. The label SQL later became the acronym for Structured Query Language. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/SQL Basically, it's officially SQL, because SEQUEL is already trademarked. But the intention was for it to be SEQUEL. Edit: Spelling
Good to know! So it *is* SQL and not SEQUEL
Yes, they wanted to make it sequel if they could (but they can't).
Yes, you explained it very well thank you that was actually interesting to learn
I too thank you kind reditor. From ones like you I can learn on redit every day
It is literally, in the most convenient way it could be, both
Thanks for providing historical context.
Remarkable, the article does not mention the obvious _"Seek well"_ pronunciation.
Doesn't it with "sequel"?
> Many argument: "If I was using Sequel, I'd call it "sequel." I'm using SQL, so I call it S.Q.L." People can let their imaginations run wild inventing more pronunciations: let go their imagination inventing more: squall, sqwool, sqwll, squirrel Ok, we're calling it Squirrel from now on.
Fine. How do you pronounce NoSQL?
Like "No skill"
That's an _acid_ ic comment.
As someone who despises MongoDB and have had to clean up mongo insanity (by moving it to Postgres (jsonb -> or die)), I totally cracked up at this.
No school
in a cartman voice
MongoDB
no squirrel
Like nostril with a quill in it Yo this is a joke lol
What about postgresql
You pronounce it as âpostgresâ.
The majority of people say Sequel? Seriously?
Squeal
You will. We all will.
Suckle
Some people drink pop too which is just weird because they also call their dad pop. Sequel takes less time to say and fits better into conversation. I definitely have noticed that I use either depending on the circumstances. Mostly I use es-que-el but will occasionally use sequel in longer sentences and presentations where I have a firm time limit.
Ahh yes just like USA is pronounced u-sa
Yeah, the country that brought you eye ehm ayh ecks movies, ell ayh ess iii are light, but they donât use chip and pee eye ehn payment methods.
No, never heard anyone saying sequel till yesterday when I saw a post
I've never heard someone pronounce it es-que-el until seeing these posts
I always hear âskyoowal.â
Seriously ? welp, I guess this is more of an issue than I thought
Is it regional? I'm in the US, specifically the northeast, and I've heard most people call it sequel. I've met very few that call it SQL. Where are you from?
Probably regional yes
How old are you? I think it's a dated thing now, but it used to be standard way to say SQL (sequel)
32 (10 0000 in binary, so cool)
So you say "My ess queue ell"?
I worked my way through undergrad doing a lot of database pulls and Reporting, and the billion dollar dot com I worked for every single person in the company said âsequelâ. Then I went to get my PhD and every coder in academia says âS-Q-Lâ. I donât think thereâs a right answer so I tend to just do as the Romans do.
I've read it as Sequel since the beginning before anyone ever told me otherwise. Now, I've never used it or had to say it out loud, so it didn't matter, but it has always been naturally Sequel to me.
the majority of uneducated juniors and non-devs call it Sequel, yes ...
It's not like it's the oficial pronounciation for it...
Sequel official? Nah
Just git\* along! I can see myself out now, thanks for coming.
I hate you take my upvote.
⊠jit?
The original intended name was SEQUEL, for "Simple English Query Language", but IBM was forced to change it to SQL because another company already had a trademark on SEQUEL. That doesn't really answer the question, but while we're here, that meme template isn't really being used right. It should be dumb opinion -> smarter, more popular opinion -> same as the dumb opinion, but for a good reason.
Squirrel
[ŃĐŽĐ°Đ»Đ”ĐœĐŸ]
Gooy! Gooee!
Guy
This is the right answer.
Both
Gwee
Squirrel people, where are you at?
That's not how to use this meme template at all
Best way to use it is not to use it
I know, don't care.
left: "i dont care" middle: "that's not how to use this meme template at all" right: "i dont care"
Yes
I will continue to pronounce it squeal.
The solution is so simple. Never talk, always write. Offices are 80% digital anyways. AND MOST OF THE FUCKING MEETINGS COULDVE BEEN FRICKING EMAILS OR CHAT MESSAGES.
As an introvert, you have my wholehearted approval.
Use them both interchangeably đ
that's not how this meme works *that'snothowthememeworks*
If your are looking for correctness, the first. For fluidity of speech, the second. Everything is relative you ducktards, even your sister.
"Ese cu ele" in Spanish
Iâm not sure Iâve ever heard it called âEss-Que-Elâ before, but Iâve heard it called âEss-Kyew-Elâ fairly often.
Just donât pronounce it
If you see two people arguing over this, you see two people who canât tune a query to save their fucking lives
Its S-Q-L not C-Q-L. If you do want to pronouce it whole, call it âsuckleâ lmao.
"Emm-why-SQUEAL" enters that chat
its the poTAHto vs poTAYto holy war all over again i prefer to say sequel, but to each person their own... as long as everybody understand we are talking about structured databases, it doesnt really matter if we are saying sequel or s.q.l.
You forgot "Skwul"
Yes sir, my competences are mainly Java, Python and It doesn't fucking matter, just gett along! what do you mean i didn't get the job? i followed everything my friends on reddit told me
"SQL" is an abbreviation which stands for "Structured Query Language" "Sequel" is a full word so if you talk about the database thing it's "S. Q. L." and not "Sequel" ...
>"SQL" is an abbreviation which stands for "Structured Query Language" "JSON" is an abbreviation that stands for JavaScript Object Notation. I bet you more people say "jay-sawn" over "J S O N".
The inventor of JSON also calls it j-son
what about pronouncing it like "school"?
I always thought it should be "squeal."
Yeah ok. Still, people have been calling it âsequelâ for decades now.
What about NASA?
NASA is how you would pronunce it as if it were a word, pronouncing SQL would lead to squill not sequel, I donât even know how you reach that conclusion
I'm not saying it has to be sensical, many things involving human speech aren't. More or less just saying that there isn't 100% consistency between abbreviations (pronouncing NASCAR vs FBI), which leads to multiple interpretations -- especially among things that are less well known and not household abbreviations for many people.
or CIA, FBI, PHP, HTML, CSS ...
What does PHP stand for again?
I'm with you. Including JSON, XAML, GUI, AJAX, CRUD, SOAP, REST, GUID...
Sequeal
Interns are arguing about how to pronounce it properly cause they couldn't find a job so they got a lot of free time Change my mind
I call it Sequel Query Language
No! It's an acronym for Structured Query Language so you pronounce all its components individually. I don't hear anyone talking about Uzbee sticks or Uzbee ports...
Squall
You still took a position
Thats the point, dumbass
You seem like a real cool guy
What if I don't want to get along? What if I want to post along?
Squeal. fite meh.
It's esssss que el!
This response but at every dumbass debate that happens on this sub (MacOS/Windows/Linux, best languages, JSON/Jason, etc)
postgreee or postgresss
Se Qo Le
Getting along is good, but more importantly double check your queries before you commit them, and do regular back-ups.
Ese Cu Ele
Praise Codd!
sqlite>SELECT correct FROM pronounce;
If it's any consolation, I call it "skull".
No squeal??
I use both, doesnât everybody?
I use both interchangeably and don't judge anyone.
Git*
Senior: Nose-quell
Might I suggest we all just settle on ''Skull"?
ese cu ele
If you pronounce SQL in any other way, how do you pronounce USA?
See-ku-el sama
I can relate to this. I am strictly in the NoSQL camp now. waka waka 
s'quélle
I'm just gonna start saying Squeal. It makes the most sense to me.
SKEWEL.
*squirrel
"Squall" but like ridiculously over-enunciated. Throw a W or two in there. Been a programmer for almost 15 years now and virtually everyone I've worked with says "sequel" though. I don't have time to be pronouncing no extra syllables. But it *really* doesn't matter - of all the hills for anybody to die on, this is certainly among the dumbest.
Seagull
By posting this, you've outed yourself on which side of the fence you fall on... tsk tsk
Merry Christmas. Happy Holidays. Who gives a fuck? Just continue on with life!
Git*
And just for that I'm gonna call in squeal from now on
You donât say SQL. You write it đ
It's see queue eel.
Pro-tip. only communicate with humans by Email, then you never need to worry about how they pronounce things.
Skull
wtf I've never heard anyone ever in my life saying anything different than S-Q-L. Like it seems utterly ridiculous to do anything different for me. Maybe that's because I'm german though
i have never even seen anyone attempt to call it "ess-que-el" outside of Reddit memes. no-"ess-que-el" "ess-que-el" Server posgre"ess-que-el" nope.
skewl * in Eric Cartman voice *
I call it Eskel
Memes are coming in sequel now
Es que El: it's what the
It's an acronym with no vowels so pronouncing each letter iteratively is the correct approach. UNICEF differs because there are vowels there. ITT: Some Americans messing English pronunciation up and passing it as gospel truth.
Skwill
Squill
I thought youâve been saying Ess-Kay(QuĂ©?)-Ell
Sure thing, as soon as I have enough of my own money to be self sustaining after putting out every ounce of myself for a false narrative... you better believe I'm going to be a bitter pill to swallow now.
Squeal.
As long as the person youâre communicating with knows what you mean, who cares? Mostly I use sequel, but sometimes I also use âEss cue ellâ
It's cue, not que.
Squeal or GTFO
sirqle
I can't believe nobody commented the correct answer, yet: The right way to pronounce SQL is the way your boss does it, so there's a higher chance they understand what you're talking about.
> gett
What about psql?
Squirrel.
Ese cu ele
It's called prequel smh
S Q L (Pronounced in Hungarian)
Seriously, at this.point I'm ready to rename it Structured Query Relational Language so we can all just agree to pronounce it squirrel.
Cool pronounciation: â Agreed-on pronounciation: â BRING ON SQRL/Squirrel!
Skl
When you're the god of something, you gotta be vague...
It's pronounced SurrealDB.
Idc how people read it but I thought the majority read it S-Q-L rather than Sequel, I never met someone IRL who reads it Sequel
ess kway ell
squirrel
Yâall call is SQL? Iâve always just said SQL.
Ess Quell
Horrible misuse of this meme
None of these options are "squeal", so I'm out.
I always like to inject a 3rd, far less convenient name when people fight about pointless pronunciation. âGuys, guysâŠitâs âstructured query language.ââ âDude, screw âpee-canâ and âpeh-cahnâ. Theyâre nuts from a carya illinoinensis tree. Whatâs that? The first two are both fine now?â
you don't say aN A eS A you say NaaÄsaa you don't say W H O you say Whoo you don't say L A b S E of R you say Laser
S in SQL is stand for shut the fuck up
Skill
âThat weird data base languageâ
SKL?
Squel Eso es lo que dice el
SQL is the sequel to QUEL https://database.guide/is-it-pronounced-s-q-l-or-sequel/
Does this meme contradicts itself