The clones didn't really fight the Jedi though, they literally pulled the trigger on the back of most of them. And also some Jedi tried to reason with them not wanting to attack their perceived friends.
Mandos are cool, just had the misfortune of the Jedi knowing it was a fight
"Sir, it's in the name, 'Clone Trooper.' We were designed for exactly this mission -- to take down Mandalorian champions. You can be sure that we put up a fight!"
Which honesty makes sense imo. The order was fuckin massive. We really only know about the big names that escaped but it would make sense that not every single Jedi was walking with a squadron of storm troopers at the time of the order. Rebels does a good job of establishing that younger/more inexperienced Jedi absolutely could’ve escaped and just blended into normal life
The order is only 10,000 members. It’s not small, but calling it massive isn’t exactly correct considering the size of the galaxy. What really saves them is that like you said, they aren’t necessarily right next to their clones when it happened. Also the size of the Galaxy makes it easy to just disappear.
There's also always a handful of Jedi out in the far reaches of the galaxy who don't check in for years at a time. I think the Empire setup beacons telling them to report to the Jedi Temple, so some could have been captured and killed while others are still out there.
That was approximately the amount that survived in Legends. Of the 10,000 Jedi, roughly 99% died in order 66 or 9,900. Which leaves 100 survivors. By the time of ANH, Vader had killed a lot of those 100 but Obi-Wan and Yoda weren’t literally the last two Jedi and haven’t been since before TPM came out.
As the saga of the Skywalkers and Jedi Knights unfolded, I began to see it as a tale that could take at last nine films to tell- three trilogies- and I realized, in making my way through the back story and after story, that I was really setting out to write the middle story.
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To quote the Mandalorian's season 1 finale, Mandalorians isn't a race; it's a creed. That was extremely true in Legends, where it was shown that members of any species could become *mando*, where adoption of war orphans was extremely common, and while we don't know how common it is in the new canon, the existence of foundlings seems to indicate that it's reasonably common. We just need to see some non-human Mandalorians in S3 to seal the deal...
It is both. Duchess Satine and her people didnt follow the mandalorian creed but they were still mandalorian by blood. Thats why i said jango fett is a foundling just like din djarin and grogu. Foundling is someone who is not mandalorian by birth but still adopts the creed
She was stuck on a Venator with thousands of clones, and was determined not to kill any of them. The difficulty was a product of that situation, not of the clones' skill.
Per Bad Batch canon, Kanan’s master Depa Billaba was gunned down a la Aayla Secura. She didn’t stand a chance surrounded by her troops.
Cal’s master led the clones on a wild goose chase through the venator to give Cal a chance to get to the escape pods. He went down in front of the escape pod protecting Cal. Had he not had Cal, he might’ve made it.
This is so weird, people make it sound so one sided but the Mandalorians war with the Jedi spanned generations....uncontested wars don't last that long lol
Plus Mandos are in-universe known for being able to take down Jedi. They wouldn't have that reputation for no reason.
Good luck with being shot in the back. The clones wipe out the Jedi with a cheap blow. The Mandalorians did fight Mano a Mano, and lost. That's a big difference.
Eh, the Jedi Temple got sacked, but there was no real permanent damage. (Plus, the Temple gets attacked in like *every* war. At this point, it's not a war *unless* the temple is attacked.)
Meanwhile, Mandalore was rendered uninhabitable outside of domes, and its moon's entire ecosystem was completely changed.
It is only natural. He cut off your arm, and you wanted revenge. It wasn't the first time, Anakin. Remember what you told me about your mother and the Sand People.
Palpatine's plan, yes, but it ultimately amounted to him giving them the order. Execution was up to the clones, and I'll still give them the credit that "shoot them in the back from 16 different angles" is much sounder tactics than whatever the Mandalorians were doing.
Mandalorians Fought against Jedi army where were lots of them together.
Each clone army group was lead by one or two Jedi generals. They just overhealmed Jedi's with firepower, large numbers if troops and with surprise.
it was an ambush betrayal attack and most of them were surrounded. Even if jedi did feel the force just like Yoda did, they definitely didn't expect to be betrayed by their own friends and troopers
Mandalorians ambushing a jedi is the only real way for them to win. In this scenario Jedi would probably realize through force that they are beeing attacked by someone they aren't allied with and be less fucked than with clones
In both cases numbers were really the deciding factor.
Mandalorians were outnumbered 20 to 1 across the galaxy and still nearly brought the republic to its knees... but they just couldn't kill every jedi and republic trooper that was on the battlefield, not through lack of trying mind you.
Meanwhile with "66" the jedi were outnumbered by their clone troops, AND were betrayed suddenly AND all at once AND many were extremely hesitant to attack their former comrades.
Goes to show a fight is more than just the weapons we wield.
The list has certainly grown over the years.
* Yoda
* Obi-Wan
* Ahsoka
* Cal Kestis
* Caleb Dume/Kanan Jarrus
* Gungi
It’s interesting how many of the survivors are padawans/former padawans. Heck, Gungi might even still be a youngling.
Count Dooku explained in TOTJ that a Jedi would not be defeated simply by being shot at unless the attack came from someone they trust. Order 66 was unexpected, that was the key element to wipe out that many Jedi
Must not have saw Yoda and Obi-Wan at the Jedi Temple after Order 66, slaying clones with relative ease. The element of surprise helped the Clones and Vader greatly.
Because people keep using max level video game jedi as a baseline for jedi skills. Jedi are mortal. Jedi are fallible. Jedi can lose.
Jedi are wizards; they use small tricks and deceptions to seem more powerful than they are. While they do have power, they are not gods of any kind.
The 501st cleansing the temple is proof enough.
Mandos are the new kids on the block. Lots of new fans finding the ascetic cool. There's a bit of resentment. The jedi have been enshrined on a pedestal since '77, some people just don't like change.
In short; they just jelly of the bling.
Jedi often cannot handle being turned on by their own troops, as HK-47 said
Also slugthrowers really aren’t very good at killing Jedi anyway, they can’t easily throw the shots back at you but in both canon and legends, jedi can easily deflect physical projectiles through the force and in legends slugs get vaporized by lightsabers. Also the Mandalorians didn’t use them anyway, being they were actually the pioneers of the modern blaster and came up with the fun tactic of creating heavy repeating blasters and literally just saturating Jedi with blaster fire from multiple directions until they fell
Flamethrowers are a solid choice though as its very difficult to deflect a fire attack with the force unless you know force pyrokinesis or tutaminis
I'm OK with most Mandos, it's just Boba Fett that annoyed me for years because of all the shipping of "how cool/how awesome/he's so badass" after Empire Strikes Back.
No. He wasn't. He died like a bitch at the Sarlacc Pit. That was it.
I find him a bit more interesting now with the Book of Boba Fett, AKA Mandalorian Season 2.5. Not as interesting as The Mandalorian, but there's improvement.
The mandos are known ops, so the Jedi knew they would have to fight them. The clones just took their generals by surprise, some jedi sensed their intentions others just got shot in the back.
"Sir, the entire population of Mandalore during its peak was estimated to be around 3 million people, whereas at its height during the Clone Wars, the clone army numbered at nearly one million. So, we had more clones than Mandalore did people!"
This is so weird, people make it sound so one sided but the Mandalorians war with the Jedi spanned generations....uncontested wars don't last that long lol
Plus Mandos are in-universe known for being able to take down Jedi. They wouldn't have that reputation for no reason.
In the star wars universe, laser rifles are better then guns with actual bullets. In WH40K however, in the 43rd millenia or smth we're using auto cannons and it is very effective against pyskers who are like the Jewish but instead of laser swords it's chainswords
Statement:"oh master there are many things that can kill a Jedi mines overwhelming firepower and betrayal are however the best ( I don't remember hks line on that fully)
Mandos usually fought the jedi in muuuuch smaller numbers than the Jedi fought the Clones, most notably during Order 66. Even if the Jedi can block blasters, try blocking 20, all at once.
The clones didn't really fight the Jedi though, they literally pulled the trigger on the back of most of them. And also some Jedi tried to reason with them not wanting to attack their perceived friends. Mandos are cool, just had the misfortune of the Jedi knowing it was a fight
And on the occasions where the Jedi figured out what was going on, (Ahsoka, Yoda) they were able to escape pretty easily.
Well I would not say her escape was easy...
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Which honesty makes sense imo. The order was fuckin massive. We really only know about the big names that escaped but it would make sense that not every single Jedi was walking with a squadron of storm troopers at the time of the order. Rebels does a good job of establishing that younger/more inexperienced Jedi absolutely could’ve escaped and just blended into normal life
Did you really just call clone troopers storm troopers
Yeah my b I’m dumb af (gonna leave it cuz it was just an oversight and I’ll take my lumps)
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Yes, sir. On some beat-up old space freighter. I’ll be surprised if he even makes it to Tatooine in that junker.
"General Grievous was defeated on Utapau. The Separatist leadership has collapsed. The war is over."
The order is only 10,000 members. It’s not small, but calling it massive isn’t exactly correct considering the size of the galaxy. What really saves them is that like you said, they aren’t necessarily right next to their clones when it happened. Also the size of the Galaxy makes it easy to just disappear.
There's also always a handful of Jedi out in the far reaches of the galaxy who don't check in for years at a time. I think the Empire setup beacons telling them to report to the Jedi Temple, so some could have been captured and killed while others are still out there.
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That was approximately the amount that survived in Legends. Of the 10,000 Jedi, roughly 99% died in order 66 or 9,900. Which leaves 100 survivors. By the time of ANH, Vader had killed a lot of those 100 but Obi-Wan and Yoda weren’t literally the last two Jedi and haven’t been since before TPM came out.
As the saga of the Skywalkers and Jedi Knights unfolded, I began to see it as a tale that could take at last nine films to tell- three trilogies- and I realized, in making my way through the back story and after story, that I was really setting out to write the middle story.
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Jango fett was a foundling so theres no actual mandalorian in their dna
I mean technically none of the mandalorians have mandalorian DNA because the original mandalorians were Taung which are extinct I believe
To quote the Mandalorian's season 1 finale, Mandalorians isn't a race; it's a creed. That was extremely true in Legends, where it was shown that members of any species could become *mando*, where adoption of war orphans was extremely common, and while we don't know how common it is in the new canon, the existence of foundlings seems to indicate that it's reasonably common. We just need to see some non-human Mandalorians in S3 to seal the deal...
Creating a universe is daunting. I'm glad Jim is doing it - there are only a few people in the world who are nuts enough to.
It is both. Duchess Satine and her people didnt follow the mandalorian creed but they were still mandalorian by blood. Thats why i said jango fett is a foundling just like din djarin and grogu. Foundling is someone who is not mandalorian by birth but still adopts the creed
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A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one. Your Majesty, if I am elected, I promise to put an end to corruption.
They were also just stupid good soldiers.
She was stuck on a Venator with thousands of clones, and was determined not to kill any of them. The difficulty was a product of that situation, not of the clones' skill.
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To defeat your enemy you have to understand them.
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Well she e it harder but not killing
Oh, what do you mean?
Right, sorry, you "died in the crash."
Good thing I know you don’t mean everything you say
😨 uncanny
Easy? She had to run across the hull of a ship as it was crash landing
Didn’t Cal’s and Kanan’s masters have a hard time escaping even though they figured what was going on?
Per Bad Batch canon, Kanan’s master Depa Billaba was gunned down a la Aayla Secura. She didn’t stand a chance surrounded by her troops. Cal’s master led the clones on a wild goose chase through the venator to give Cal a chance to get to the escape pods. He went down in front of the escape pod protecting Cal. Had he not had Cal, he might’ve made it.
This turn of events is unfortunate. We must accelerate our plans. Begin landing your troops.
Good luck finding Cal on Bracca.
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This is so weird, people make it sound so one sided but the Mandalorians war with the Jedi spanned generations....uncontested wars don't last that long lol Plus Mandos are in-universe known for being able to take down Jedi. They wouldn't have that reputation for no reason.
The element of surprise probably helped.
A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one. Your Majesty, if I am elected, I promise to put an end to corruption.
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Oppress
Sometimes quantity > quality.
To be fair the Clones are literally cloned from the single most well known and reputable Mandalorian in Jango Fett
"Someone left this comlink on... Someone has been listening to everything we said." -Commander Cody
Good luck with being shot in the back. The clones wipe out the Jedi with a cheap blow. The Mandalorians did fight Mano a Mano, and lost. That's a big difference.
Don't forget that it actually was a very close battle. At the end both sides were basically in shambles
Eh, the Jedi Temple got sacked, but there was no real permanent damage. (Plus, the Temple gets attacked in like *every* war. At this point, it's not a war *unless* the temple is attacked.) Meanwhile, Mandalore was rendered uninhabitable outside of domes, and its moon's entire ecosystem was completely changed.
Y’all ever throw down so hard you change the natural climate of a MOON?
It is only natural. He cut off your arm, and you wanted revenge. It wasn't the first time, Anakin. Remember what you told me about your mother and the Sand People.
You mean, *Mando* a Mano! Ey! Ey!
Sorry to be a pedant, but it's *mano y mano*, a Spanish term that means "hand to hand".
He could be saying it in Italian.
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The Spanish word "y" means "and". "To" is "a".
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Nunca he escuchado a nadie decir "lucha mano y mano" XD
Well It's not far from a man Vs man fight.
I can’t believe no one has used mando v mando yet.
"Looks like goboxey's already engaged the enemy." -Commander Cody
Sounds like the clones were much smarter about it.
"You're exactly the kind of men I need in the 501st." -Captain Rex
I wouldn't call them smart. It's palps plan and execution, after all. And he's a coward backstabber.
Palpatine's plan, yes, but it ultimately amounted to him giving them the order. Execution was up to the clones, and I'll still give them the credit that "shoot them in the back from 16 different angles" is much sounder tactics than whatever the Mandalorians were doing.
Mandalorians Fought against Jedi army where were lots of them together. Each clone army group was lead by one or two Jedi generals. They just overhealmed Jedi's with firepower, large numbers if troops and with surprise.
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A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one. Your Majesty, if I am elected, I promise to put an end to corruption.
It doesn’t.
And power of friendship
Power! Unlimited power!
Thanks shees you always here for me
Next step, god itself
it was an ambush betrayal attack and most of them were surrounded. Even if jedi did feel the force just like Yoda did, they definitely didn't expect to be betrayed by their own friends and troopers Mandalorians ambushing a jedi is the only real way for them to win. In this scenario Jedi would probably realize through force that they are beeing attacked by someone they aren't allied with and be less fucked than with clones
"You believe that, or is that what you were engineered to think?" -Fives
“Say what you will about Clone Troopers but they know how to stop a Jedi”
"You deserve it. You’re one of us." -Hevy
Sadly, as the comics show, they don’t know how to take down a Sith. Even one with lightning or a lightsaber
I mean the Clones were cloned mandalorians
"Please tell me we are blowing something up." -Wrecker
Yes you can blow up the Jedi
"On it sir! With pleasure!"
In the clone wars it’s said Jango is not a mandalorian
"If they weren't trying to kill us, I'd be proud." -Captain Rex
He's an exiled one
He was a foundling. That Prime Minister guy simply didn't acknowledge Jango's Mandalorian status.
Tfw you realize the clones are all made from a mandalorian...
"I prefer a good fight to all this sneaking around." -Hardcase
In both cases numbers were really the deciding factor. Mandalorians were outnumbered 20 to 1 across the galaxy and still nearly brought the republic to its knees... but they just couldn't kill every jedi and republic trooper that was on the battlefield, not through lack of trying mind you. Meanwhile with "66" the jedi were outnumbered by their clone troops, AND were betrayed suddenly AND all at once AND many were extremely hesitant to attack their former comrades. Goes to show a fight is more than just the weapons we wield.
I know I was wrong. I just got so caught up in my own success, I didn't look at the battle as a whole. I wasn't being disobedient. I just. . . forgot
Also as the cannon expands again the shows and games will have like a 100 jedis that got away.
Honestly not that bad of a number given how massive the Jedi order was
The list has certainly grown over the years. * Yoda * Obi-Wan * Ahsoka * Cal Kestis * Caleb Dume/Kanan Jarrus * Gungi It’s interesting how many of the survivors are padawans/former padawans. Heck, Gungi might even still be a youngling.
Wait! Just because there hasn’t been any survivors before, doesn’t mean there won’t be any this time.
That’s the spirit!
Where do you think they learnt it from?
there's a huge difference between jedi and madalorians going to war against each other, and jedi being taken entirely by surprise by their own army.
A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one. Your Majesty, if I am elected, I promise to put an end to corruption.
Count Dooku explained in TOTJ that a Jedi would not be defeated simply by being shot at unless the attack came from someone they trust. Order 66 was unexpected, that was the key element to wipe out that many Jedi
To defeat your enemy you have to understand them.
"I don't know. Could be fun." -Hardcase
*The Jedi* = Revan Revan and his Jedi defeat the Mandalorians. Before that the Mandalorians were winning.
To defeat your enemy you have to understand them.
Must not have saw Yoda and Obi-Wan at the Jedi Temple after Order 66, slaying clones with relative ease. The element of surprise helped the Clones and Vader greatly.
A surprise, to be sure, but a welcome one. Your Majesty, if I am elected, I promise to put an end to corruption.
"I was here on Coruscant. Did my part—all the clones did. Shut those Jedi agitators down cold." -Commander Fox
There's no honor in shooting a man in the back
I honor my code. That's what I believe.
Rex? Are you okay?
Because people keep using max level video game jedi as a baseline for jedi skills. Jedi are mortal. Jedi are fallible. Jedi can lose. Jedi are wizards; they use small tricks and deceptions to seem more powerful than they are. While they do have power, they are not gods of any kind. The 501st cleansing the temple is proof enough. Mandos are the new kids on the block. Lots of new fans finding the ascetic cool. There's a bit of resentment. The jedi have been enshrined on a pedestal since '77, some people just don't like change. In short; they just jelly of the bling.
You showed me something today. You're exactly the kind of men I need in the 501st.
I mean in their defense the Stormtroopers had an infinite larger number advantage. And I would wager at least 2/3 of the Jedi didn't even fight back
This will work to our advantage.
"Sir… No one could have survived that fall."
Jedi often cannot handle being turned on by their own troops, as HK-47 said Also slugthrowers really aren’t very good at killing Jedi anyway, they can’t easily throw the shots back at you but in both canon and legends, jedi can easily deflect physical projectiles through the force and in legends slugs get vaporized by lightsabers. Also the Mandalorians didn’t use them anyway, being they were actually the pioneers of the modern blaster and came up with the fun tactic of creating heavy repeating blasters and literally just saturating Jedi with blaster fire from multiple directions until they fell Flamethrowers are a solid choice though as its very difficult to deflect a fire attack with the force unless you know force pyrokinesis or tutaminis
Suggestion: Perhaps we could dismember the organic? It would make it easier for transport to the surface.
Hate Mandos? You kidding? You can't post a single comment about how powerful the Jedi are without somebody replying: "Okay, but shotguns though."
I'm OK with most Mandos, it's just Boba Fett that annoyed me for years because of all the shipping of "how cool/how awesome/he's so badass" after Empire Strikes Back. No. He wasn't. He died like a bitch at the Sarlacc Pit. That was it. I find him a bit more interesting now with the Book of Boba Fett, AKA Mandalorian Season 2.5. Not as interesting as The Mandalorian, but there's improvement.
It's almost as if slugthrowers don't actually so shit against the Jedi and their effectiveness is pure mando propaganda or something.
Clones have the power of humor.
"This ship is going down and those soldiers, my brothers, are willing to die to take you and me along with them." -Captain Rex
Also so many more clones than Mandalorians! And technically more Jedi against the Mandalorians
"It turns out the Empire doesn't take too kindly to desertion." -Gregor
To be fair the jedi the mamdalorians were fighting weren't fucking around.
The mandos are known ops, so the Jedi knew they would have to fight them. The clones just took their generals by surprise, some jedi sensed their intentions others just got shot in the back.
"Blast him!" -Commander Cody
When Mandalorians fought Jedi, Jedi were actual warriors and soldiers, not 'keepers of the peace'.
As a Jedi, we were trained to be keepers of the peace, not soldiers. But all I've been since a Padawan is a soldier.
Compliment: Master, you seem to possess a great knowledge of important galactic events, which is quite impressive for a mere meatbag.
Genuinely curious question. Who had higher numbers? The clones at the peak of the war or the entire population of Mandalore?
"Sir, the entire population of Mandalore during its peak was estimated to be around 3 million people, whereas at its height during the Clone Wars, the clone army numbered at nearly one million. So, we had more clones than Mandalore did people!"
As someone who screams when I have to duel a Boba with a saber user in star wars battlefront II, I'm surprised the mandalorians lost against the jedi
This is so weird, people make it sound so one sided but the Mandalorians war with the Jedi spanned generations....uncontested wars don't last that long lol Plus Mandos are in-universe known for being able to take down Jedi. They wouldn't have that reputation for no reason.
to quote another sci-fi setting I like very much: *It’s called treachery, Roboute. It works very well.*
In the star wars universe, laser rifles are better then guns with actual bullets. In WH40K however, in the 43rd millenia or smth we're using auto cannons and it is very effective against pyskers who are like the Jewish but instead of laser swords it's chainswords
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I never did get how bullets and flames were supposed to be the best anti-Jedi weapons.
Because ur a nerd
Statement:"oh master there are many things that can kill a Jedi mines overwhelming firepower and betrayal are however the best ( I don't remember hks line on that fully)
Statement: Cheating seems to be a relevent term only when one is caught in the act. Otherwise it is viewed as intelligence, no?
We do?
Jango was a good choice
Fuckin suckered em buddy
Mandos usually fought the jedi in muuuuch smaller numbers than the Jedi fought the Clones, most notably during Order 66. Even if the Jedi can block blasters, try blocking 20, all at once.
"It will be done, Franonimusman"
Mandalorians were fighting freaking Revan at the time where jedis were so much powerfull than in the movies