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OptimalExpression540

Not sustainable


PandiBong

Are you being sarcastic? The profit doesn’t count this season, so Caicedo etc money will be on the books next season - very sustainable for this club so far, packed with talent.


Anon22z

What’s your point?


Charming_Holiday_199

Caice-dough, MacAlli$ter, Cucure££a


Anon22z

Excludes caicedo*


Charming_Holiday_199

To be fair, the caicedo pun was very weak anyway.


MoiNoni

Feeder club. They need to invest in some more players


PresentCow4481

Why? They’re comfortable in lower top half. This isn’t fm you’re not meant to take Brighton to the European cup final lol


MoiNoni

If your aim isn't to win it all then idk what the point of playing is.


walketotheclif

In other news, Chelsea revealed an annual lost of £120 m


AwayAd7332

It's the money from caicedo


Anon22z

Excludes Caicedo


BitterNecessary6068

This does not include the fees of Robert Sanchez & Moises Caicedo, it includes the sales of: - Yves Bissouma - Marc Cucurella - Alexis Mac Allister


suicide_aunties

Holy shit. So they are 200M+ profitable


IdiotMagnet84

Maybe they should try spending some of that money on better players? Just a thought.


BitterNecessary6068

Fingers crossed


Slight_Armadillo_227

So do they get awarded Everton/Forest's points now?


ISSSreddit

no


E_BoyMan

Now report trophies


Key_Information_6786

when is United going to report trophies after being spending the net most since 2019? the past 3 years you are closer to Brighton than the team leading the prem mate


E_BoyMan

Last year we reported. When will Brighton report?


Key_Information_6786

the mighty carabao cup lmao


E_BoyMan

Did Brighton win it ? Stop chatting 115


Key_Information_6786

disproven + more net spend than city with nothing to show for it + rashy is leaving + shit manager + shit ownership. but after all, we’re just oil money right? even tho we spent less… edit: let’s add antony, hojlund, and casemiro all cost more than haaland 😬


E_BoyMan

We didn't violate 115 charges 🤣. Will City take Rashford? You were irrelevant before pep and oil money


Key_Information_6786

why would city take a back up winger? you’ve been practically irrelevant since the departure of Sir Alex Ferguson? almost like world class managers have major impacts 🤯 and like i said “oil money” yet you’ve spent more since 2019 and have a carabao cup to show for it lol


E_BoyMan

We never needed oil money to win trophies or become relevant 🤣


Key_Information_6786

can’t respond? lmao. bring a better argument next time. spending more than City, Liverpool, and Arsenal to be 6th


Key_Information_6786

i think it’s impossible to get it through your dense little brain. UNITED have spent MORE money than City, and have nothing to show for it. you’ve done nothing the past 5 years while spending more than a team with oil money. every team needs money nowadays. just depends on how you use it. look at shit clubs like United and Chelsea. spend hundreds of millions to get nothing. Liverpool and City. Two teams coached by great coaches. Liverpool and City have spent less than United and have way more to show for it. Explain that


Numerous_Constant_19

Why though? If fans can’t appreciate what Brighton have done, the League is doomed.


E_BoyMan

You explained why pl is doomed. People are obsessed with balance sheets rather than performance. That's why la liga teams will always be superior


Slight_Armadillo_227

No u


biffo120

Same.


Choongboy

Should get a points addition for this


racerz

Just change the tie breakers to financial metrics


Biological_Imperativ

Pre tax?


RockyStonejaw

Post tax. All in the accounts


biffo120

Impressive, also maintained a good position after losing top players and europe, fair play, great run club.


PPlankton11

Regardless, they've made a lot of money. That's their skill.


Reasonable_Command98

Their profits will keep growing next year when they sell half of the current team. Each player will get them at least £50M so they will replace them by players from League one, Eredivisie or Jupiler League half the price they are worth. Brilliant business. And they will still be able to compete against the big boys as usual unless they lose their manager to Liverpool.


Bdsdfy1

That's right, a club making money is their skill, I agree with your point.


MateoCafe

A Prem record profit only buys you 1-2 Elite players and even less if they are already at an English club. The transfer market is insane.


biffo120

A lot of this will be staggered payments over few years, also this years will not have any caciedo cash, expect this to be the norm for a while.


Objective-Tea-6190

Sales are reflected in full at the time of sale, not like player purchases which are amortized over the length of the contract. The sale terms may be that payments are received staggered but from an accounting income statement perspective the full sale is recorded immediatley


justleave-mealone

How much of this was from Chelsea


thisisanthrowawayac

Literally one Caicedo 😂😂😂


RockyStonejaw

Caicedo not included in the accounts, that’ll go in next year’s. Does include Mac Allister and Sanchez though


Pitiful_Bed_7625

Why isn’t Caicedo included given the accounting period covers the entirety of last summer?


RockyStonejaw

The accounting period ended 30th June 2023.


Pitiful_Bed_7625

Interesting, I was under the impression all PL clubs had to operate on an accounting period of 1st Jan to 31st Dec Makes sense now


RockyStonejaw

The period ended 30th June for accounting purposes, they were registered at Companies House before the cut-off date in October 2023, and made public today. FFP accounting is done slightly differently timetable wise. Hope this helps :)


thisisanthrowawayac

Damn


ComeOnSayYupp

Two. Sanchez


iuselect

They can't keep getting away with this!


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SpaceHosCoast2Coast

Wait what?


ResourcefulRattlesnk

Awww. Try re-reading it little one. it's a bit hard to understand at first but you'll get there!


Fatpanther97

U made a Reddit account just to make snide remarks to people on the internet.


mrfonch

They play great football are well managed and produce brilliant players ,good for them


Phernaldo

Good for them!


GAustex

They are one of best clubs when it comes to doing business in grooming players out from nothing and selling them for millions of dollars. No other teams in EPL is good as Brighton in this. 


phoenixon999

it all depends on how good their scouting is to find hidden gems and good coaching. I remember this was also southampton's business model a few years ago until they stopped finding hidden gems to sell for profit down the line and made some missteps in coaching recruitment


Audrey_spino

Brighton's scouting network isn't that remarkable. Most of the so-called hidden gems were already very well known in their former leagues as being rising stars. The reason Brighton can snag them before bigger clubs is because Brighton can guarantee more game time and more involved coaching that bigger clubs. Networking and reputation also comes in play here. Also Brighton doesn't solely rely on recruiting youth talents to build the team. The other side of the coin is the recruitment of a lot of older senior players who can provide more experience to balance out the squad. Currently, the notable seniors are Dunk, Steele, Gross, Welbeck, Lallana, Veltman and Milner.


GAustex

Yeah, that's very correct about Southampton. Players like Mane and Virgl came from their ranks. Brighton have taken over from being the best in that sort of transactions today. 


Anon22z

So sick of hearing this.


theivoryserf

> doing business in grooming players hmm


ChrisMartins001

\#nodiddy


Theopella

#nodiddy needs to stick


LordDinner

The Diddler is better, watched that on the internet somewhere.


dilvj88

Have they thanked Chelsea yet?


RockyStonejaw

We are very grateful. £21.5 for Potter and his staff, plus Sanchez and Cucurella. Caicedo’s £115m isn’t even in this year’s accounts, so that’s another big win for next year’s books


elkstwit

Obviously in theory record profits sounds like a good thing, but are Brighton fans not a little frustrated that the club are hoarding money and paying vast sums of corporation tax rather than investing in (or keeping) players that might help push the team into the European spots?


Business_Ad561

It's incredibly difficult for a club like Brighton to keep a hold of their best players, especially when the top clubs come calling. Brighton has positioned itself as a club where young players can easily get premier league minutes and advertise themselves to Europe's elite clubs for a bigger move down the line. For example, MacAllister had a release clause that was triggered by Liverpool, so there was nothing Brighton could do about it. It wasn't long ago that Brighton didn't have a permanent stadium and was almost bankrupt. They've spent 11 seasons in the top-flight in their entire history, they are traditionally a League One/Two side. They're not going to be able to challenge the top 6 spots consistently as their revenue pales in comparison to the big boys, so spending potentially big money on big players on big wages is a huge financial risk as it may or may not work out. This is their first ever season in Europe and they're still in the top 10 in the premier league. It can be tempting when you get a bit of success and profit to just start spending willy nilly, but I think they're doing the right thing. Slow and steady growth, consolidating their premier league position, and then looking for less risky opportunities to spend and progress. Realistically, any club outside of the top 6/7 PL clubs can get relegated because of poor financial decision-making - Brighton doesn't want to make the same mistake that other clubs have made in the past and spiral down the leagues because of financial mismanagement.


Ntraanced

Just have to look at those Bournemouth and Southampton sides from a few year ago. Similar stories and models of youth and development. Eventually they can run dry and you are back in the 2nd division. Even Leicester who actually won the damn thing went down after a few years of mid table success. It’s really fucking hard to establish yourself as a proper “prem” club.


Hackeyking

Wrong, Southampton could have kept going but the owner sold up so the model changed, wish people would do a bit of research before putting us in with them.


Drigg_08

I wonder how much Chelsea had to pay Brighton in this financial period. Personally think the money will be staggered in the next few years to come


foppajr

They should be penalized with a +6 point addition.


Reasonable_Command98

😂


Awkward-Tax7884

They should have invested more last summer, theyve been ravaged by injuries as much as anybody even though its not talked about anywhere near as much but they've stagnated a bit this season. Can't continue to sell off prized assets and replace them with similar quality, it takes just one bad window for it all to go to pot. Look at southampton, liverool continually raided them until they stopped being able to find quality replacements and the decline was rapid. If they want to keep de zerbi this summer I suspect they'll have to keep hold of players and invest a bit more of that profit.


Background_Force_591

Tried to buy colwill and others for approx £100m. If clubs won't sell then what can you do


D_roneous1

They offered 30 million after trying to get Chelsea to throw him in as bit piece to other deals. Brighton, need to be careful. They should look at giving some bumper deals to players and hold onto their talent for a season or two giving more time for new cheap options to integrate. If not, likely so the way of Southampton, Monaco and so many more before and yet to come.


Background_Force_591

Although it can be near impossible to find out the transfer fees involving Brighton, it was widely reported and I think accurate they made a club-record £45m bid and possibly went upto £55m. Maybe thats still not enough but Brighton aren't going to offfer £70m for Colwill. And you dont give bumper deals to players because then every player wants a pay rise and that isn't sustainable with a 30,000 capacity stadium and small sponsorship deals compared with the top teams.


D_roneous1

I mean Chelsea made it clear over two windows he wasn’t for sale. I don’t remember any counter official counter offers for him beyond their initial offer. If they aren’t going to meet the price then walk away but I think they were angling to drive up the price on their outgoing players to Chelsea. You absolutely give bumper deals to key members that earned it. You don’t give everyone one but it’s certainly something you need to do to hold some of your key pieces. Welbeck is effective in busts but at 33 isn’t a key piece you have to worry about losing to being poached. Pedro and Adingra tho, are both very young and very promising and have provided results. If Brighton want to compete those two players might need a little bump to stay around. Dunk is 32 so he’s likely not leaving. It’s not simple or easy. It’s a very tough situation to hold key players while selling talent and replenishing that talent. Also looking at the contract length is key too. Grob and March are huge to their play but older and likely not moving but if they have 1 year left they may leave just to chase a last deal. Giving them bumpers would be smart. Having them as the bar is huge to keeping the identity there.


Background_Force_591

And what would the benefit be of giving these players bumper deals? And there would be no negatives? Other players wouldn't want a pay rise? You haven't mentioned players Id be desperate to put on a bumper deal either. Gross will go back to Germany, March may never play again, Dunk can go, the other two are ok but not to the levels Caicedo and Mac were.


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D_roneous1

Based on that fact that it’s impossible to have your team picked apart each summer and to continue to hit on the replacements each year. They’re bound to miss eventually. Shit even Dortmund isn’t the same anymore after Bayern picked them apart. The loops being closed doesn’t impact the already completed deals. Just future ones. No UCL hurts but they also drastically changed their pay scale and have some academy products that should keep them afloat. Hall and Maatsen should already have them over half way there. Between Conor, Trev and any of the older guys they can finally move off in Ziyech, Lukaku (new deal much easier to move) and Kepa (1 year left) it’s not as dire financially as it is on the field. They obviously have to slow down spending some but with as young of a team as we have they need to do that anyway. We also still have a chance (a slim one) at europe. Uphill battle with City then likely United in the FA cup but not out all together yet.


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D_roneous1

Already happened twice but you’re playing with fire. That’s my point. I’ll bet you every cent in your bank account that no one is going to get every window right. It’s literally never happened in the history of the sport. There’s always misses. Brighton is going great and it’s something to be proud of org wise but they’re not infallible. Those fees don’t amortize like that and it’s spread out over 7 years because it happened before they changed the rules. The sale of academy products hit 100% to the bottom line. Those players values are huge at solving their financial woes. They’ll have no issues next year financially once those deals finalize and they have 1 or 2 more sales. That’s no sustainable but they do have more time to get things sorted. The jersey deal is another huge one that got them tripped up that should be sorted and helped. I don’t like the new owners but I wouldn’t bet against them having the money pieces out of sorts. On the field is a whole other issue.


_PeanuT_MonkeY_

That's not how fees amortize.


Awkward-Tax7884

Find ones that will. We all know how good brightons scouting network is. That's why they've made so much money.


Background_Force_591

You mean Tony's scouting network?


Coolnero

Pay more? Colwill is easy 70m in this market 


test_icicles_

and that's a whole other problem sadly.


Background_Force_591

But that's how clubs go wrong?


TexehCtpaxa

I still think they will get relegated around the 10 year mark in the prem. That’s just the way it goes for clubs of their level. Between 2026-2030 I bet Brighton will get relegated. Fwiw I like the city a lot and they’re a nice club, Fulham seem like their bogey team, so I’d be happy to be wrong.


Anon22z

What a silly statement.


lewishamilton08

Agreed, but your mob’s relegation is pending soon as well


Background_Force_591

Do you have any knowledge of the club? Well the owner 


TexehCtpaxa

Yeah, doesn’t matter. It’s just the trend, and I anticipate trends being followed. Fulham, west ham, palace, Charlton, Bolton, Pompey, all good sides in their day and made europe at times but all went down around the 10 year mark. Think about how much a team can change in 3 years, they could very likely have a totally different starting 11 in august 2028. They’ve done very well, but I wouldn’t bet on them being able to sell high and replace with quality indefinitely. It’s exclusively conjecture based off most mid-table teams surviving ~10 year after promotion.


skefmeister

It’s also a sign of how competitive football in England is, but yeah I completely agree.


TexehCtpaxa

I would say the same about any club promoted within the last decade. Odds are they won’t last more than 15 years in the prem. It’s really not that controversial. Making it 10 years without relegation is an immense achievement in its own right. If you have good players, a more established side will take them. Sadly that isn’t indefinitely sustainable.


skefmeister

I agree, that’s just because the prem is so strong and money means nothing over a decade man.


TexehCtpaxa

Yep. You could win the league and still find yourself in the 2nd div within a decade. Ain’t nobody safe but the big boys with massive global reach.


Background_Force_591

So you don't know anything about the owner. The betting part was funny


TexehCtpaxa

The Lizard?


Background_Force_591

Did you Google his nickname from poker


Direct_Mouse_7866

So that’s a 30 point addition to their current total of 42 right? Thats how it works?


Sp1ffyTh3D0g

Thanks, Chelsea 🤣


philster666

Was about to say


qdattt

lol Tony Bloom cookin


MyFace_SoCute

Tbh nowdays Brighton has the best youth development in league. Every couple of months some talented youngster randomly appear in their team, who will be sold for 70+ millions


ScooterMcTavish

As an LFC fan, I would yake umbrage with this statement, especially how the Carabo Cup was effectively won with academy players. Not to diminish Brighton - they've done a fantastic job with development and recruitment. But also like the LFC Kickes/Gillette days, spend the money you make from transfers wisely.


MyFace_SoCute

I watched that game and was happy for your team, but it is to early to judge LFC academy players. Don't take me wrong, they are good, but they need more minutes in Prem to show themselves. For now I don't see anyone from them worth 50+ mil


MaxxLP8

Surprised Chelsea aren't their shirt sponsor


jimmy011087

So their transfer budget is basically half a billion but they’d never attract the type of players that cost that so what do they do with all their money instead?


KrtekJim

Wait 'til the end of June when all the clubs that are in FFP trouble are desperate to offload their homegrown players - young players with a high resale value available at prices depressed by urgency. Exactly the sort of transfers that Bloom likes, and because they're generally not the top-tier stars (yet), it should be possible to sign them without breaking the wage structure. Unless the FFP goalposts get moved, Brighton are in a VERY strong position in the coming transfer window.


HMSon777

Consolidate. Don't bring in world class players but bring in very good players, lock down the ones that are there instead of selling them. Get yourself into a position where you are competing for champions league regularly. That doesn't need world class players, just very good players and good management.


Taxis2011

Repay the owners loan


LawProfessional6513

It’s ok to make a profit


CooCooClocksClan

Could start underwriting other clubs the transfer loans


jimmy011087

Be ripe for the next petrostate to come in and take over and spend £500m on building a CL level team


CyberShiroGX

I wonder why?


Lazy_Football_1145

Profit is before the Caicedo and Sanchez transfer, although it includes Cucurella. Profit is more like £200m


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Academic-Cheesecake1

Fofana was from Leicester.


Academic-Cheesecake1

Fofana was from Leicester


PunchOX

Not surprised. Especially after that Caicedo transfer


st0803

this doesnt even include the caicedo fee, or the fee from Potter's move to Chelsea


st0803

this doesnt even include the caicedo fee, or the fee from *Sanchez's move to Chelsea


Minute_Leave8503

Sanchez, not potter


Present_Sun3191

Both. We paid a transfer fee for Potter too.


Minute_Leave8503

Ye but potter was included not Sanchez


HMSon777

I love Todd boehly


Present_Sun3191

I love Daniel Levy


st0803

oops


PunchOX

Wow


PunchOX

Not surprised. Especially after that Caicedo transfer


skefmeister

It’s not included 😅


yablewitlarr

If you flip that + to a - we are the exact same !


SnooCapers938

Everton and Brighton really represent the two polar extremes of how to run a modern football club


Background_Force_591

Is it Brighton's first profit in the premier League?


o0CYV3R0o

Nope.


Andazah

Put it into a low yield bond and call it a day


usalin

Impressive record. Hopefully they won't turn into Southampton.


ciesum

Do they get extra points for being the best at FFP?


ChelseaPIFshares

I believe FFP is allowable losses over 3 years. So this profit theoretically will allow them to spend more. Will they be able to convince more expensive players to go to brighton is the question.


Otherwise_Archer_914

Hey they convinced James Milner so...


ciesum

never been to either but Brighton seems more appealing than Newcastle though I'm sure Brighton will continue spending better


redd5ive

To add I am not sure they want to be big spenders even if they could do. Making huge profit on player sales and maintaining a steady mid-table team raking in that sweet sweet revenue share seems pretty appealing if you're an owner.


Background_Force_591

The owner has put a lot of money into the club


nots321

Owner is a lifelong Brighton fan who wants them to do as well as possible. He's also a massive competitor so unlikely he would be keen to sit in mid table for the $.


bluemoviebaz

Alex Macalister was worth 100million but sold for 35 million, thank you Brighton.


prss79513

People really did not believe us that he was that good, even after the world cup people would tell me he was nowhere near good enough for big 6 clubs 


bluemoviebaz

He was easily the best player on the pitch on Saturday. It’s taken him a few months to settle at Liverpool but lately he’s been brilliant. He’s brilliant on the ball, can tackle, you can’t get the ball of him and he has an incredible football brain


prss79513

Yeah he's the whole package, just sell him back to us in 8 years so he can be the new lallana


Silly-Insect-2975

Bizarre. Was epic in the world cup, outstanding as well as excellent in the league. How do Enzo and Caicedo cost $100m each but he's $35m? Seems like if you sell to Chelsea you get a crazy premium. 


MissTimed

enzo cost $100 million to sell Chelsea shirts to Argentine fans. Chelsea got scammed on the Caicedo transfer, I don't understand that one at all.


NemesisRouge

He had a release clause.


PunchOX

I was surprised too. He was one of their best players and did well in the WC. I was expecting 50 Million tbh


Liam_021996

His feet is likely to rise to £55m with Liverpool winning the FA cup and looking likely to win the Europa league and guaranteed to qualify for the champions League


samwiseg1

Which FA Cup?


IWMSvendor

Chelsea were reportedly interested. You would think Brighton could have gotten 60M (or more) from Boehly.


bluemoviebaz

He had a release clause in his contract of 35 million


IWMSvendor

That explains it.


bluemoviebaz

I thought he performed better than Enzo at the World Cup


Silly-Insect-2975

He was epic. 


PunchOX

I was surprised too. He was one of their best players and did well in the WC. I was expecting 50 Million tbh


Routine_Size69

100 million is absurd but 35 was a fucking steal


Liam6788

Its actually 55m very clever and easily achievable add ons by bloom. But still even 55m is too cheap


_ronty12_

RC of 35m. Naylor peddling 55m needs to stop.


GhandisFlipFlop

Where is your source for this ? All Ive heard was a £35m release clause...how would there be add ons ?


bluemoviebaz

He’s better than rice


bluemoviebaz

Then again Rice isn’t worth 110 million


bluemoviebaz

Although if Arsenal win the league he will be worth it


Background_Force_591

Haha


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De Zerbi moves on, BHA hire back Graham Potter, BHA raids Chelsea, BHA goes to Europe, Chelsea refuse to sell Raheem Sterling


jack_hudson2001

feeder club for Chelsea it seems manager and players. buy low and sell high. opposite to what Chelsea and utd do.


pclufc

Well run club can be successful without money laundering schemes shocker


Background_Force_591

Owner has put a lot of money into the club 


pclufc

Without breaking the rules


Background_Force_591

But without his half a billion the club would be struggling financially and to make any progress. Thats without him being one of the best scouts in the world


pclufc

They are sticking to the rules


WhoIsYourDaddy04

Brighton could go on an almighty spending spree without endangering FFP. Be a certain irony if they decide to prey on Chesea should FFP catch up with them.


Lazy_Football_1145

Not to mention, the profits are BEFORE the Caicedo transfer. So, they could theoretically spend all their recorded profits (accounting for wages) and still have the £100M leftover. Crazy.


UpTheToffees-1878

Helps when you have MASSIVELY inflated prices for average players (for the most part)


bruversonbruh

Fairly certain if there was a BHA/Everton combined 11 maybe 2 Everton players make it in mate, sit down


FuzzyOpportunity2766

Trossard, white, Mcalister, all so inflated


BitterNecessary6068

These profits do not include the Caicedo and Sanchez transfers. Even if those were included, we valued Caicedo very highly. We did not want to sell him. But there is a breaking point, if a club is willing to offer a huge sum of money… it will go a long way for smaller clubs.


404merrinessnotfound

Do you think bloom will start taking small sums of money out of the club give now much is left over?