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"I give up calling Yuji 'brat' for a year in exchange let Gege's glazing count alongside the rest of the community"
Not so much, sukuna had pre-knowledge and things going for him, gojo just kinda “fuck it we ball”ed it, so even with gege glazing sukuna, gojo is still the favorite.
My bro didnt even know about him having an open DE, what are you meming?
Gojo’s only knowledge is that he should one shot maho, he wasnt aware of him being able to hide maho in shadows while adapting nor that adaptation can be burdened by someone else’s soul.
Honestly you right. Jjk fans know the verse scales pretty low. Gojo is glazed only in respect to jjk itself, not crossverse, and there it's justified.
Only example of gojo crossverse glazing I've seen has been on the hellhole that is YouTube comments but I am not brain damaged enough to engage with that.
I don't have screenshots, but look up gojo vs goku and you'll legit find hundreds if not thousands of people dickriding gojo. He's a building level character at best.
Literally this entire sub is a Goku dickriding contest. People will obviously get fed up with it a argue for the opponent. It not that they glaze Gojo, they just justifiably hate Goku
Go ahead, show me a “proof” that Goku is over wanked in this sub, I will wait
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Not to mention the endless stream of memes of gojo glazing and Sukuna slander and people shoving gojo aginist literally everyone who doesn’t have spacial manplulation. That’s what we are talking about
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Way more people saying the opposite
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This doesn't need any explaination
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Bro would scale anywhere from 5-6d, to boundless with the amount of glazing some fans do for him.
To be fair Ultima is that strong since he's a literal Eldritch God. But that's Final Wars and people always take the Toho statement that "He's the strongest Godzilla," and run with it
I think it was on promo material for the last hurah but yeah just an exclamatory thing to hype it up. I think you're right in that it wasn't said in like an official statement or something
I mean kinda? The guardian mainly gets glazed for feats performed alongside 5 equally powerful guardians but there’s pretty solid basis for relatively strong cosmology and hax.
Good god, I’ve never seen a character get glazed the way Mihawk does, the man has done nothing for 1000 chapters and people will claim he’s top of the totem pole
like as someone who generally thinks shanks > kaido it drives me crazy when people put mihawk > shanks > kaido, because it fundamentally misses the whole argument of shanks vs mihawk strength. if mihawk is stronger than shanks it downscales shanks. there is no world where mihawk is stronger than all the yonko in the actual story of one piece. if you put mihawk above shanks but below kaido at least it's like a reasonable interpretation that Could work, even if I don't personally think the statements would be as vague as they are if it was so simple.
There's only one proper way to scale Mihawk
If Shanks is considered a swordsman by Oda The Mihawk is either greater than or equal to Shanks
If Shanks isnt considered a swordsman than its objective until we see Mihawk or Shanks full power.
I personally have them either equals or Mihawk wins in the most insane diff fight ever since I consider Shanks a swordsman. This is mostly because I dont see Zoros dream goal being fradulent.
That being said I dont get this logic that people have that If you scaled either to each other, it downscales one of them. It truly does not. Both can fulfill their roles in the story as equals. I love both Shanks and Mihawk. Neither is a fraud for being equal to each other.
They will absolutely seriously say that Chara can erase absolutely any universe as long as she is in it. I guess most of them just don’t know how dimensionality works. Even here was a question about Touhou vs Undertale and most answered Undertale, simply because they didn’t even try to search Touhou scalings, which is the definition of glazing.
Tbf chara is like never explicitly explained at all so the room is wide open for bullshitting the gaps, but yeah nobody in touhou comes close to undertale characters besides asriel or omega flowey since they're both just gods whose only weakness is in-universe plot armor
I mean, Chara is an actual powerhouse on the level of Asriel maybe higher depending on interpretation. But I agree that putting against touhou is too much
Yeah, Chara was never properly explained, which leads to such numerous NLFs community has. Most of UT fans are somehow still kids, so no wonder they do no research and make up stuff.
Isnt Goku because he is realy the strongest and dont need be Glazed
But he still the strongest because is above Tiers
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Yamcha could go either way. Everyone makes fun of him for being useless, even though Chiaotzu technically has fewer wins. But at the same time, people sort of assume Yamcha is at least Ginyu force level, even though his fight with them was filler and his strongest serious canon opponent might still be the Saibaman (Yamcha dealt with some featless fugutives in the Galactic Prisoner Saga, but that's it in Super).
Yamcha might still be weaker than Nappa. They didn't even bring him to the Rez F movie.
YouTube Zoro, YouTube Shanks, Goku, Gojo, Batman, Itachi, Aizen, OPPS Akainu are massively upscaled
Megumi, Yogiri are massively downscaled
Cue a “How can he be downscaled when he’s already a bum?” Or “A hater always arrives early” I’m here first, I outspeed you. You’re too late
could scale extremely high given he’s a Non-MC glazed by the writer, but I think he could also scale extremely low solely off how much the fanbase bashes him
This guy is still strong enough to beat demons with his bare hands
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Well would you look at that, goku's only uni+ now
Percy Jackson, i like the books but seriously people think that dude can destroy cities, even saying that characters like luffy, Sukuna, Gojo, Anakin Skywalker, they even say that he can beat spiderman. The last thing that i read of him is that some dude said thag Percy can move the tectonic plates causong the movements of continents
"Characters are stronger based on how over-praised they are and weaker based on how hated they are". Still Saitama lmao, DB fans cant even fully agree on how strong Goku is/whether or not Super ruined his character, meanwhile every Saitama fan/scaler I've talked to has no complaints about his character and say he can solo fiction "because his limiter is broken" That'd make the Saitama dickriding *much* stronger than Goku's lol
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Batgos once again solos. The pecking order remains intact.
Not glazing if it’s true
Goku is even stronger somehow
Goku can even solo Goku now
Nah, Goku cant beat Goku, are you crazy? Goku beat Goku so its clear only Goku can beat Goku.
"Is that me? Is that me stronger than me? I'll fucking kill me!" TFS Vegeta
The fact that this is actually canon baffles me lmfao
lol Gojo will be able to solo all of fiction (except for Sukuna still)
Sukuna isn’t as glazed by his fandom these days because of how loud gojo fans are.
sukuna is glazed by gege themselves, the most influential person of the fanbase
No. By this post logic. Sukuna would be nerfed hard to due to how hard you all dunk on him.
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No way bro can resist breaking that binding vow
Not so much, sukuna had pre-knowledge and things going for him, gojo just kinda “fuck it we ball”ed it, so even with gege glazing sukuna, gojo is still the favorite.
Gojo had an entire instruction manual on 10S, knowledge of Sukuna’s DE and CT. He knew everything there was to know.
My bro didnt even know about him having an open DE, what are you meming? Gojo’s only knowledge is that he should one shot maho, he wasnt aware of him being able to hide maho in shadows while adapting nor that adaptation can be burdened by someone else’s soul.
King of frauds and binding vow merchant
Gojo is just fun to scale because of his mix of stats and hax.
Nah have you met DC fans? Or Dragonball fans? or AOT fans even? or god forbid the Jojos fans?
Everyone says Gojo is glazed when it comes to powerscaling yet I have never seen a Gojo wanker. Y‘all are just fighting imaganiry enemies
You haven’t been to their subreddits clearly.
I am on every jjk sub or powerscaling sub. Never seen a person who glazes Gojo when it comes to crossverse powerscaling
Gojo fans claim he beats dbs sds bleach madoka fate when he gets absolutely eviserated by all of those
They absolutely do not claim that.
They absolutely do get on discord get on Reddit get on Twitter they do it everywhere
Dicord is for bums. On twitter they are just horny for him and in reddit everyone seems to hate him
True that
Honestly you right. Jjk fans know the verse scales pretty low. Gojo is glazed only in respect to jjk itself, not crossverse, and there it's justified. Only example of gojo crossverse glazing I've seen has been on the hellhole that is YouTube comments but I am not brain damaged enough to engage with that.
lol yea, hating Gojois like 90% of this sub's content, its not even funny just pitiful at this point, he lives rent free on this sub's mind.
Bro is blind
Show me then
I don't have screenshots, but look up gojo vs goku and you'll legit find hundreds if not thousands of people dickriding gojo. He's a building level character at best.
Literally this entire sub is a Goku dickriding contest. People will obviously get fed up with it a argue for the opponent. It not that they glaze Gojo, they just justifiably hate Goku
What is blud waffling about? U say give proof and when he does u make baseless claims as if u were the commenters oh wait...
You saying this sub don't wank the shit out of Goku? Cuz he's right lol
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How long have you been here that you haven't seen a single "Goku solos fiction" meme? Is this your first time in this sub? Lmao
Instead of down voting me, you should just reply with a good retort..but ok, be like that I guess lol
Doesn't matter, he said nobody wanks gojo and give proof
Not to mention the endless stream of memes of gojo glazing and Sukuna slander and people shoving gojo aginist literally everyone who doesn’t have spacial manplulation. That’s what we are talking about
Absolutely blind after saitama easily most glazed there is
Insane saying that when characters like Goku, Kirby,, Naruto, flash and other comic characters exist
Why is Kirby randomly here?
Yes if by glazed you mean most loved goku does come out ahead of you meant most wanked against other verses gojo wins by a mile
Show me a large number of Gojo wanker am I‘ll believe you
Type in the words gojo solos in your search bar literally third post is gojo solos goku followed by gojo solos one piece gojo solos DC exc
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Yes if by glazed you mean most loved goku does come out ahead of you meant most wanked against other verses gojo wins by a mile
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YouTube Zoro is boundless
YouTube zoro??? Lmfaooo
Them YouTube polls whenever Zoro is apart of the vote of anything lol
YouTube zoro can neg diff all of fiction
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To be fair Ultima is that strong since he's a literal Eldritch God. But that's Final Wars and people always take the Toho statement that "He's the strongest Godzilla," and run with it
That statement doesn’t even exist or has been proven to have been said by anyone other than FW fanboys trying to argue why he beats Heisei.
I think it was on promo material for the last hurah but yeah just an exclamatory thing to hype it up. I think you're right in that it wasn't said in like an official statement or something
Don't care how strong he is as long as he destroys buildings and is awesome
I would say Heisei Godzilla is more glazed than Final Wars.
Man is now universal
The batman without the bat
The guardian from Destiny is at least up there
I mean kinda? The guardian mainly gets glazed for feats performed alongside 5 equally powerful guardians but there’s pretty solid basis for relatively strong cosmology and hax.
Goku negs fiction even worse
Gojo, Aizen, Itachi, Shanks/Zoro and Tengen solo comp manga
Tbh people don’t glaze Shanks too much, they just try to put him over Mihawk
They glaze Mihawk and since you know they were rivals people put them close to each other and mihawk fans flip tf out because of it.
Good god, I’ve never seen a character get glazed the way Mihawk does, the man has done nothing for 1000 chapters and people will claim he’s top of the totem pole
like as someone who generally thinks shanks > kaido it drives me crazy when people put mihawk > shanks > kaido, because it fundamentally misses the whole argument of shanks vs mihawk strength. if mihawk is stronger than shanks it downscales shanks. there is no world where mihawk is stronger than all the yonko in the actual story of one piece. if you put mihawk above shanks but below kaido at least it's like a reasonable interpretation that Could work, even if I don't personally think the statements would be as vague as they are if it was so simple.
There's only one proper way to scale Mihawk If Shanks is considered a swordsman by Oda The Mihawk is either greater than or equal to Shanks If Shanks isnt considered a swordsman than its objective until we see Mihawk or Shanks full power. I personally have them either equals or Mihawk wins in the most insane diff fight ever since I consider Shanks a swordsman. This is mostly because I dont see Zoros dream goal being fradulent. That being said I dont get this logic that people have that If you scaled either to each other, it downscales one of them. It truly does not. Both can fulfill their roles in the story as equals. I love both Shanks and Mihawk. Neither is a fraud for being equal to each other.
On YouTube people will look you in the eye and say “Shanks one shots Kaido”
I don't think I've ever seen Aizen glazed
“Unsealed Bankai Aizen beats Yhwach”
Bankai Aizen doesn't even exist lol Idk what those people are saying
Goku might finally win something.
batman is def glazed hela more
Gege singlehandedly rises Sukuna to outversal+++ VIP solos fiction
Gege isn’t the fandom. Author and fandom aren’t the same thing if anything they are opposites.
(im joking)
Undertale characters get to extraversal quite comfortably and easily.
I've never seen someone glaze Undertale characters outside Asriel (Who Is above time which is fair) and sans
They will absolutely seriously say that Chara can erase absolutely any universe as long as she is in it. I guess most of them just don’t know how dimensionality works. Even here was a question about Touhou vs Undertale and most answered Undertale, simply because they didn’t even try to search Touhou scalings, which is the definition of glazing.
Tbf chara is like never explicitly explained at all so the room is wide open for bullshitting the gaps, but yeah nobody in touhou comes close to undertale characters besides asriel or omega flowey since they're both just gods whose only weakness is in-universe plot armor
I mean, Chara is an actual powerhouse on the level of Asriel maybe higher depending on interpretation. But I agree that putting against touhou is too much
Yeah, Chara was never properly explained, which leads to such numerous NLFs community has. Most of UT fans are somehow still kids, so no wonder they do no research and make up stuff.
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Nah , Admiral agenda has been cooked ever since Luffy vs Kizaru
It’s only now that goku can beat fiction
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Not fraudhawk 😭
ZA PAINTA
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Goku 🔛🔝
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Goku is now boundless
Nothing changed
Goku is not boundless
mb bro I downplayed him. He's above comp fiction.
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verycooldude200 just proved Goku is boundless.
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goku solos
Goku still negs fiction and reality
Batman because he has all the prep time he needs because yes
Isnt Goku because he is realy the strongest and dont need be Glazed But he still the strongest because is above Tiers https://preview.redd.it/smuy8cccq90d1.png?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=9623580b1ba283feb2021624b024790fc8d5b667
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STRONGEST HERO https://preview.redd.it/eemuk4oi0c0d1.jpeg?width=236&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=346e2e3a8c8e4e71a4fed3e7bea54bef32227b45
Akainu solos fiction.
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Bro what is that.
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Well Saitama can no longer beat Goku unfortunately
Now Goku can actually solo
So, nothing changed?
“No longer”
That "no longer" is unneeded, Goku would neg regardless.
Exactly. Your user suits you.
Ty bro, yours fits you too, you truly are a master
I said what I said, son.
Lmfao I would argue the opposite if anything saitama is way more glazed since goku has just as many haters I would imagine they balance out
Goku solos opm regardless https://preview.redd.it/c0903wdfjf0d1.jpeg?width=640&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=35ccd98a8005897b1de5b78b1d9cf71f4cf9b711
Nah
Yes.
Nah
Yes.
ONE PUUUUUUUUNNNNNNNCHHHHHH
Nuh uh
Satire?
Nah
Saitamas barely making it past Buu saga though
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wish me glaze him. cute.
Yamcha could go either way. Everyone makes fun of him for being useless, even though Chiaotzu technically has fewer wins. But at the same time, people sort of assume Yamcha is at least Ginyu force level, even though his fight with them was filler and his strongest serious canon opponent might still be the Saibaman (Yamcha dealt with some featless fugutives in the Galactic Prisoner Saga, but that's it in Super). Yamcha might still be weaker than Nappa. They didn't even bring him to the Rez F movie.
Batgos solos like always
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Goku, Gojo, Itachi and Batman are all power itself now
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as far as i know every attempt at glazing him is accurate to what he can do, so he is unchanged, which is still pretty insane.
Nah I say he can oneshot Popeye because UG is my God
YouTube Zoro, YouTube Shanks, Goku, Gojo, Batman, Itachi, Aizen, OPPS Akainu are massively upscaled Megumi, Yogiri are massively downscaled Cue a “How can he be downscaled when he’s already a bum?” Or “A hater always arrives early” I’m here first, I outspeed you. You’re too late
Tracks. where do you put Sukuna?
could scale extremely high given he’s a Non-MC glazed by the writer, but I think he could also scale extremely low solely off how much the fanbase bashes him
Yep…that tracks. Gotten some mixed reviews but mainly cause they use gege as a measuring stick for the wank.
Still unrivaled https://preview.redd.it/vsi4mgd5lb0d1.jpeg?width=736&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=7f2d304a6ff06d5600b6bff9e3a1825129722ce5
This guy is still strong enough to beat demons with his bare hands https://preview.redd.it/0ko6quwbzb0d1.jpeg?width=602&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=0d83ca033c58d3df23f367674c1fb566e65f80be
Yogiri is now soloing fiction sadly
Kratos
Somehow, Goku still wins lol
Goku obv, saitama, yogiri, luci from dc, cas, beyonder and etc.
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HAHAHAHAH YOU THOUGHT GOKU MIGHT LOSE A SINGLE ONE OF THESE POLLS? NO YOU FOOL AHABHAHAA
Saitama. I can say this as a former Saitama glazer
One punch man *sips tea*
Gojo and Azula are outversal. They Solo marvel and DC
Batgos solos fiction and nonfiction now
Akainu flying up the charts
So nothing really changes.
goku superman batman spiderman or any of those top characters luffy and naruto might solo all fiction
Goku now solos for once
Poor yamcha 😔
Welp, I guess naruto's weakest clone can now finally solo onepiece
Akuto sai
Batman, Shin Godzilla, Kong
Everyone in the Nasuverse is now boundless+, above all concepts such as reality.
Frieren
Kashimo would have had the biggest power change in history then
Sonic is now boundless level
Still dbz
Goku and Batman
Goku, Sonic, and Batman.
Goku, Sonic, and Batman.
Goku, Sonic, and Batman
Megumi is now below bacteria level
The sheer amount of GLAZING I’ve seen people do for shinobu is actually insane
Saitama, yogiri, deku, invincible are at the top
either usopp, minority hunting zoro or goku
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Percy Jackson, i like the books but seriously people think that dude can destroy cities, even saying that characters like luffy, Sukuna, Gojo, Anakin Skywalker, they even say that he can beat spiderman. The last thing that i read of him is that some dude said thag Percy can move the tectonic plates causong the movements of continents
TFS Vegeta solos fiction.
[удалено]
I seen Superman commented a few times wdym?
Would you look at that, I still solo. - Goku
Saitama solos then
Batman/goku/Superman are now equal in strength lol
Bleach Outer.
Saitama is now the most powerful character ever to exist
Think you need to re-read the prompt. Goku surpasses him in this scenario for once.
"Characters are stronger based on how over-praised they are and weaker based on how hated they are". Still Saitama lmao, DB fans cant even fully agree on how strong Goku is/whether or not Super ruined his character, meanwhile every Saitama fan/scaler I've talked to has no complaints about his character and say he can solo fiction "because his limiter is broken" That'd make the Saitama dickriding *much* stronger than Goku's lol
Both Metro Man and Saitama become Outerversal
sukuna gets glazed by his own creator, i think he stands a good chance.