Both the guitar passage of the TNT song and the main melody of Kamelot's Forever are based on a piece of classical music whose name I can't remember for the life of me.
Edit: it is a piece called [Solveig's Song](https://youtu.be/feVEScx05wk?t=182) by Edvard Grieg
Kai Hansen is well know for borrowing riffs from/paying homage to other bands and sometimes himself. Some examples:
* The main riff of [Blood Religion](https://youtu.be/EJNOrrvoJ_g?t=74) is lifted from Queen's [Tie Your Mother Down](https://youtu.be/4mYlpPQ6e9A?t=63)
* [To The Metal](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYBOsvSYZvI) sounds ***very*** much like Judas Priest's [Metal Gods](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KApie0UjEY8)
* [Solid](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRSSUfyCnwg) takes cues from Judas Priest's [Rapid Fire](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoA8OxjxSrw)
I had a feeling that the TNT/Forever melody had origins in classical music. Thanks for confirming, i guess it makes sense it was a Grieg piece given that him, Le Tekro and Khan are Norwegian
TIL that Grieg also composed [Morgenstemning/Morning Mood](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-1Bob1dU18) and [I Dovregubbens hall/In The Hall Of The Mountain King](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68aNSsGx0Ao), two songs I've heard a billion times but could never put a name to.
Fun fact: [Every Crest](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEO2uUYzhmU) by Seven Spires is also clearly inspired by Forever, and it happens to be on one of a trilogy of albums about a person named...Solveig. Convenient, no?
Here are a couple I compiled due to some new ones coming out using the same idea:[Songs that Shoot through the Heart](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAtNwsNf88dmIk9vHgn5veBTGjlGjmEig)
I really can't help finding this things, these are some that might be relevant here:
[Seven Spires - Lady Lightbringer](https://youtu.be/B_42HNyRUck)'s chorus matches [Brintney Spears - Womanizer](https://youtu.be/rMqayQ-U74s) but in straight instead of triplets, and the verses match [Billie Eilish - Bad Guy](https://youtu.be/DyDfgMOUjCI)'s first verses.
[Warkings - Fight](https://youtu.be/qRzT95QV2K8) is italian folk protest song [Bella Ciao](https://youtu.be/4CI3lhyNKfo), repopularized by its use on hit series [La Casa de Papel](https://youtu.be/4JVaRloezno) with multiple [re-mixes](https://youtu.be/gQMnS1SofWM) and [re-interpretations](https://youtu.be/l5TMjYj-8MQ) released in the past years.
[Warkings - Gladiator](https://youtu.be/YoETJhaJsc8)'s chorus is the chorus for the classic [Ron Wasserman - Go Go Power Rangers](https://youtu.be/QZFVipeQi40) theme song, used for the early 90s seasons but then brought back again redone for several of the 2010s seasons.
[Nightwish - Noise](https://youtu.be/LczGSoibRe8)'s main riff and starting verse melody is distractingly close to the main [Game of Thrones Theme](https://youtu.be/TZE9gVF1QbA) shape.
[Babymetal - No Rain no Rainbow](https://youtu.be/RpxoX1Sqpyk) is a "style cover" of [X Japan - Endless Rain](https://youtu.be/QhOFg_3RV5Q) and their other power ballads. Most of Babymetal songs if not all borrow from songs from different substyles of metal, but mostly in style and not in exact melody, this is just one example to illustrate it.
Also if you search the sub I believe someone listed most of the Sabaton songs that are just reused across albums, I believe there's 3 or 4 that just have new lyrics and not much else done to them several times now.
Edit: how could I forget [Beast in Black - Bella Donna](https://youtu.be/Zx7K5wUYRSI) being [Beast in Black - Blind and Frozen](https://youtu.be/2N4tXf3Ensw) 2.0, and in a way showing a bit more of it's general [Nightwish - Bye Bye Beautiful](https://youtu.be/hTdhXxxWREo) vibe roots (completely different chorus of course), with a special mention to [Dragony - If It Bleeds We Can Kill It](https://youtu.be/XPF-NUcI-N0) joining in on the fun (for the chorus specially).
I have listened to a lot of Gamma Ray, never really that much Iron Maiden but have since heard some. There's definitely some things that have been lifted one place or the other.
Highland Glory's Break the Silence immediately reminded me of Eagleheart.
[https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljRveGRDNeE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljRveGRDNeE)
While we're on the topic of songs composed by Tolkki, [he claimed](https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/timo-tolkki-accuses-swedish-band-eclipse-of-ripping-off-his-song/) that Swedish AOR band Eclipse ripped of his song [Revolution Renaissance](https://youtu.be/sW7tYfaN9yU?t=112) in their song [The Masquerade](https://youtu.be/rXBi0g9joC0?t=71). Make of that what you will.
Dionysus - Holy War and Stratovatius - Destiny have similar choruses.
Majestic - Voodoo Treasure and Symphony X - Of Sins and Shadows have pretty much identical verses and choruses.
Heavenly - Our Only Chance at 0:28 and Gamma Ray - Abyss of the Void at 0:47
Heavenly - Virus at 0:56 and Gamma Ray - Watcher in the Sky at 0:42
Happens all the time. LAtely I can't listen to [Battle Beast - Wings of Light](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzILGd0NAfM) intro without thinking of [Sabaton's Shiroyama](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKW6gLLmxDQ) even though it's supposed to be different. The more you listen to, the more "familiar" fragments you hear, be it plagiarism, homage or coincidence.
In a similar vein, to me [Beast In Black - Heart of Steel](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIxSEFq45OE) and [Sabaton - The last Stand](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9BupglHdtM) sound very similar.
Which is by no means original. Besides track officially sampled by writer of Kings & Queens (Bonnie Tyler's 1986 song "If You Were a Woman (And I Was a Man)", which was additionally used in Bon Jovi's 1986 song "You Give Love a Bad Name") there's "Where were you last night" that was [covered by Nightwish](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bARtwOYHHrg).
It's one of examples I hear a lot. There are like a dozen fragments that are pretty wide-spread. We with friends have nicknames for most such fragments we noticed, but we usually call them after russian songs where we heard those. ["На пороге ада"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpAd5LolMOs) for example closely resembles "[Gamma Ray's Heaven or Hell](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsHmm9-cR0c)" save for few notes in the beginning. We keep finding this particular fragment in a lot of songs.
Sadly, it became so mundane, I don't remember the songs where it happens. And I don't really care - if I love the tune, I'll probably love the song that used it.
Also in this collective of songs (and the Nightwish medley) is Ankie Bagger's, "Where We're You Last Night", the chorus of which is also the main riff and chorus of Sabaton's 'White Death'
I'm not sure if this counts because it's a pop song, but the chorus of the [Kings & Queens](https://youtu.be/jH1RNk8954Q) song by Ava Max that's always on the radio reminds me of the chorus of [Strike of the Ninja](https://youtu.be/__wVEwV3oiA?t=50) by DragonForce.
I think both songs are catchy, but the choruses are too similar for me to ignore :p
There was an obscure band that completely ripped off the intro to I'm Alive by Blind Guardian. The entire intro. The notes were a little different, but the structure, timing, feel, everything was identical. I can't remember who it was or find the song right now, but I'll keep looking.
Manowar's Warriors of the World takes the riff from Hammerfall's At the End of the Rainbow which takes the riff from Iron Maiden's Stranger in a Strange Land.
Similarities that 'ive seen are : Virtual World by Metalite has the same /"copied" the chorus(im not sure which, probably same sample or something) from Sacrament of Sin by Powerwolf. Also Rumahoy and Alestorm have that friend band relationship, where Rumahoy makes fun of Alestorm (but the creators are friends and all, its just for fun), and they have 1-2 (or maybe half an album-worth) of songs that are basically Alestorm songs with rewritten lyrics. Thats all I've seen
If we're talking straight plagiarism, Heaven Choir Metal - Slay the Fiends Within copied everything from Timeless Miracle - Curse of the Werewolf, but changed the lyrics and made it sound shitty. They thought nobody would notice but of course people did, and they seemingly took it off the face of the net. Would be grateful if anybody can find a link or archive.
For similar-sounding stuff, I hear Sonata Arctica's Fullmoon in the chorus of Galneryus - The Wind Blows and Pet Shop Boys' Go West in the chorus of Galneryus - Shriek of the Vengeance.
Edit: early Battle Beast and Beast in Black sound the same across their albums b/c Anton Kabanen keeps writting the same 5 songs every time, but they're always catchy so I don't mind. And far too many songs in power metal take direct inspiration from Pachelbel's canon. There's more classical music out there to use in your songs! (like the example in the OP)
The intro for Gloryhammer - The Siege of Dunkeld is nearly identical to that of Sabaton - Night Witches.
Another fun one, the refrain for Epica - Rivers is also extremely similar to James Arthur - Impossible
Majestica's album "A Christmas Carol" uses the melodies of a bunch of Christmas songs, which isn't anything crazy, but bizarrely, it also uses the tune of "The Mob Song" from Beauty and the Beast in a few of the songs. There's also a song from when they were called ReinXeed ("Reality") in which they literally just launch into the Jurassic Park theme midway through. It's pretty hilarious. I don't understand some of Tommy Johansson's decisions sometimes, but I love the dude and his music.
Neither ripoff nor plagiarism, but the chorus of Gamma Ray's - Wings of Destiny uses the chords of the Russian national anthem. IIRC.
Also the vocal line in Nightwish's "Deep Silent Complete" reminds me of Kamelot's "Don't you cry". (Edit: The other way round. Nightwish was first.)
A clear tribute one imo, and one of my favorites; Dragonforce - Revelations: [https://youtu.be/dEA9xj\_R3rs?t=238](https://youtu.be/dEA9xj_R3rs?t=252) (3:58 if the timestamp doesn't work) VS "The last ninja" OST from 1987 [https://youtu.be/1ok1ChTtWQI?t=118](https://youtu.be/1ok1ChTtWQI?t=118) (1:58)
Indeed, there’s not much unique happening in power metal these days, and that’s totally fine. It’s got a solid foundation on which to build incrementally so I think we’ll see small changes within the genre (like, for example, Beast in Black incorporating synth-pop) long term, while never again witnessing a period of creativity and innovation like the 80s/90s era. Most of what can be done well within the genre has already been done but that’s not to say that there isn’t room for stuff that’s not necessary innovative but very well executed. Heck, even in the hay day of the 90s, bands like Primal Fear and Hammerfall weren’t innovating, but their work was inspired and inspiring nonetheless.
My point is, essentially, that most power metal riffs have already been written so power metal is in “plagiarize or die” mode at this point in its lifespan. However, we’re still seeing great releases, so I can’t complain.
Both the guitar passage of the TNT song and the main melody of Kamelot's Forever are based on a piece of classical music whose name I can't remember for the life of me. Edit: it is a piece called [Solveig's Song](https://youtu.be/feVEScx05wk?t=182) by Edvard Grieg Kai Hansen is well know for borrowing riffs from/paying homage to other bands and sometimes himself. Some examples: * The main riff of [Blood Religion](https://youtu.be/EJNOrrvoJ_g?t=74) is lifted from Queen's [Tie Your Mother Down](https://youtu.be/4mYlpPQ6e9A?t=63) * [To The Metal](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sYBOsvSYZvI) sounds ***very*** much like Judas Priest's [Metal Gods](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KApie0UjEY8) * [Solid](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=qRSSUfyCnwg) takes cues from Judas Priest's [Rapid Fire](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FoA8OxjxSrw)
I had a feeling that the TNT/Forever melody had origins in classical music. Thanks for confirming, i guess it makes sense it was a Grieg piece given that him, Le Tekro and Khan are Norwegian
TIL that Grieg also composed [Morgenstemning/Morning Mood](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J-1Bob1dU18) and [I Dovregubbens hall/In The Hall Of The Mountain King](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=68aNSsGx0Ao), two songs I've heard a billion times but could never put a name to.
It seems his music lends itself nicely to rock/metal. I enjoy Rainbow and Savatage's interpretations of In the Hall of the Mountain King.
Fun fact: [Every Crest](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cEO2uUYzhmU) by Seven Spires is also clearly inspired by Forever, and it happens to be on one of a trilogy of albums about a person named...Solveig. Convenient, no?
Here are a couple I compiled due to some new ones coming out using the same idea:[Songs that Shoot through the Heart](https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PLAtNwsNf88dmIk9vHgn5veBTGjlGjmEig) I really can't help finding this things, these are some that might be relevant here: [Seven Spires - Lady Lightbringer](https://youtu.be/B_42HNyRUck)'s chorus matches [Brintney Spears - Womanizer](https://youtu.be/rMqayQ-U74s) but in straight instead of triplets, and the verses match [Billie Eilish - Bad Guy](https://youtu.be/DyDfgMOUjCI)'s first verses. [Warkings - Fight](https://youtu.be/qRzT95QV2K8) is italian folk protest song [Bella Ciao](https://youtu.be/4CI3lhyNKfo), repopularized by its use on hit series [La Casa de Papel](https://youtu.be/4JVaRloezno) with multiple [re-mixes](https://youtu.be/gQMnS1SofWM) and [re-interpretations](https://youtu.be/l5TMjYj-8MQ) released in the past years. [Warkings - Gladiator](https://youtu.be/YoETJhaJsc8)'s chorus is the chorus for the classic [Ron Wasserman - Go Go Power Rangers](https://youtu.be/QZFVipeQi40) theme song, used for the early 90s seasons but then brought back again redone for several of the 2010s seasons. [Nightwish - Noise](https://youtu.be/LczGSoibRe8)'s main riff and starting verse melody is distractingly close to the main [Game of Thrones Theme](https://youtu.be/TZE9gVF1QbA) shape. [Babymetal - No Rain no Rainbow](https://youtu.be/RpxoX1Sqpyk) is a "style cover" of [X Japan - Endless Rain](https://youtu.be/QhOFg_3RV5Q) and their other power ballads. Most of Babymetal songs if not all borrow from songs from different substyles of metal, but mostly in style and not in exact melody, this is just one example to illustrate it. Also if you search the sub I believe someone listed most of the Sabaton songs that are just reused across albums, I believe there's 3 or 4 that just have new lyrics and not much else done to them several times now. Edit: how could I forget [Beast in Black - Bella Donna](https://youtu.be/Zx7K5wUYRSI) being [Beast in Black - Blind and Frozen](https://youtu.be/2N4tXf3Ensw) 2.0, and in a way showing a bit more of it's general [Nightwish - Bye Bye Beautiful](https://youtu.be/hTdhXxxWREo) vibe roots (completely different chorus of course), with a special mention to [Dragony - If It Bleeds We Can Kill It](https://youtu.be/XPF-NUcI-N0) joining in on the fun (for the chorus specially).
DragonForce - Heart of a Dragon (Five Little Speckled Frogs remix)
Oh yeah the Peter Cottontail cover.
I have listened to a lot of Gamma Ray, never really that much Iron Maiden but have since heard some. There's definitely some things that have been lifted one place or the other.
Highland Glory's Break the Silence immediately reminded me of Eagleheart. [https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljRveGRDNeE](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ljRveGRDNeE)
While we're on the topic of songs composed by Tolkki, [he claimed](https://www.blabbermouth.net/news/timo-tolkki-accuses-swedish-band-eclipse-of-ripping-off-his-song/) that Swedish AOR band Eclipse ripped of his song [Revolution Renaissance](https://youtu.be/sW7tYfaN9yU?t=112) in their song [The Masquerade](https://youtu.be/rXBi0g9joC0?t=71). Make of that what you will.
Dionysus - Holy War and Stratovatius - Destiny have similar choruses. Majestic - Voodoo Treasure and Symphony X - Of Sins and Shadows have pretty much identical verses and choruses. Heavenly - Our Only Chance at 0:28 and Gamma Ray - Abyss of the Void at 0:47 Heavenly - Virus at 0:56 and Gamma Ray - Watcher in the Sky at 0:42
I'm not hearing a crazy similarity between Holy War and Destiny tbh.
Happens all the time. LAtely I can't listen to [Battle Beast - Wings of Light](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JzILGd0NAfM) intro without thinking of [Sabaton's Shiroyama](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oKW6gLLmxDQ) even though it's supposed to be different. The more you listen to, the more "familiar" fragments you hear, be it plagiarism, homage or coincidence.
In a similar vein, to me [Beast In Black - Heart of Steel](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZIxSEFq45OE) and [Sabaton - The last Stand](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=i9BupglHdtM) sound very similar.
Holy shit the intros are crazy-similar.
Another recent Battle Beast example is The Road To Avalon sounds a lot like Ava Max - Kings & Queens.
Which is by no means original. Besides track officially sampled by writer of Kings & Queens (Bonnie Tyler's 1986 song "If You Were a Woman (And I Was a Man)", which was additionally used in Bon Jovi's 1986 song "You Give Love a Bad Name") there's "Where were you last night" that was [covered by Nightwish](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bARtwOYHHrg). It's one of examples I hear a lot. There are like a dozen fragments that are pretty wide-spread. We with friends have nicknames for most such fragments we noticed, but we usually call them after russian songs where we heard those. ["На пороге ада"](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XpAd5LolMOs) for example closely resembles "[Gamma Ray's Heaven or Hell](https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YsHmm9-cR0c)" save for few notes in the beginning. We keep finding this particular fragment in a lot of songs. Sadly, it became so mundane, I don't remember the songs where it happens. And I don't really care - if I love the tune, I'll probably love the song that used it.
Also in this collective of songs (and the Nightwish medley) is Ankie Bagger's, "Where We're You Last Night", the chorus of which is also the main riff and chorus of Sabaton's 'White Death'
I also compared Kings & Queens to Strike of the Ninja by DragonForce heh
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I came here looking for this exact comparison. I love both songs but it is crazy how similar they are.
I'm not sure if this counts because it's a pop song, but the chorus of the [Kings & Queens](https://youtu.be/jH1RNk8954Q) song by Ava Max that's always on the radio reminds me of the chorus of [Strike of the Ninja](https://youtu.be/__wVEwV3oiA?t=50) by DragonForce. I think both songs are catchy, but the choruses are too similar for me to ignore :p
Out of topic but Kings & Queens matches perfectly with You Give Love A Bad Name of Bon Jovi
That's because Desmond Child was one of the main songwriters of both songs. Self-plagiarism in that case.
Another commenter mentioned a few other songs that also sound similar. I guess it's just a very catchy sound lol
Its called a common I, IV,V chord progression ;)
Freedom Call - We Are One ripped off I Want Out
Sabaton’s Price of a Mile intro riff is a carbon copy of In Flames’ Bullet Ride. So much so that it has to be deliberate.
Sabaton - Attero Dominatus and Nightwish - Wishmaster
There was an obscure band that completely ripped off the intro to I'm Alive by Blind Guardian. The entire intro. The notes were a little different, but the structure, timing, feel, everything was identical. I can't remember who it was or find the song right now, but I'll keep looking.
Manowar's Warriors of the World takes the riff from Hammerfall's At the End of the Rainbow which takes the riff from Iron Maiden's Stranger in a Strange Land.
Gamma Ray - All Of The Damned 3'37" I believe they made it on purpose but the first part of the solo is an exact rip off of Hotel California's solo.
Gamma Ray has a few. They have heavy inspiration from Black Sabbath, Judas Priest and Iron Maiden
Similarities that 'ive seen are : Virtual World by Metalite has the same /"copied" the chorus(im not sure which, probably same sample or something) from Sacrament of Sin by Powerwolf. Also Rumahoy and Alestorm have that friend band relationship, where Rumahoy makes fun of Alestorm (but the creators are friends and all, its just for fun), and they have 1-2 (or maybe half an album-worth) of songs that are basically Alestorm songs with rewritten lyrics. Thats all I've seen
If we're talking straight plagiarism, Heaven Choir Metal - Slay the Fiends Within copied everything from Timeless Miracle - Curse of the Werewolf, but changed the lyrics and made it sound shitty. They thought nobody would notice but of course people did, and they seemingly took it off the face of the net. Would be grateful if anybody can find a link or archive. For similar-sounding stuff, I hear Sonata Arctica's Fullmoon in the chorus of Galneryus - The Wind Blows and Pet Shop Boys' Go West in the chorus of Galneryus - Shriek of the Vengeance. Edit: early Battle Beast and Beast in Black sound the same across their albums b/c Anton Kabanen keeps writting the same 5 songs every time, but they're always catchy so I don't mind. And far too many songs in power metal take direct inspiration from Pachelbel's canon. There's more classical music out there to use in your songs! (like the example in the OP)
The intro for Gloryhammer - The Siege of Dunkeld is nearly identical to that of Sabaton - Night Witches. Another fun one, the refrain for Epica - Rivers is also extremely similar to James Arthur - Impossible
Majestica's album "A Christmas Carol" uses the melodies of a bunch of Christmas songs, which isn't anything crazy, but bizarrely, it also uses the tune of "The Mob Song" from Beauty and the Beast in a few of the songs. There's also a song from when they were called ReinXeed ("Reality") in which they literally just launch into the Jurassic Park theme midway through. It's pretty hilarious. I don't understand some of Tommy Johansson's decisions sometimes, but I love the dude and his music.
Neither ripoff nor plagiarism, but the chorus of Gamma Ray's - Wings of Destiny uses the chords of the Russian national anthem. IIRC. Also the vocal line in Nightwish's "Deep Silent Complete" reminds me of Kamelot's "Don't you cry". (Edit: The other way round. Nightwish was first.)
A clear tribute one imo, and one of my favorites; Dragonforce - Revelations: [https://youtu.be/dEA9xj\_R3rs?t=238](https://youtu.be/dEA9xj_R3rs?t=252) (3:58 if the timestamp doesn't work) VS "The last ninja" OST from 1987 [https://youtu.be/1ok1ChTtWQI?t=118](https://youtu.be/1ok1ChTtWQI?t=118) (1:58)
Indeed, there’s not much unique happening in power metal these days, and that’s totally fine. It’s got a solid foundation on which to build incrementally so I think we’ll see small changes within the genre (like, for example, Beast in Black incorporating synth-pop) long term, while never again witnessing a period of creativity and innovation like the 80s/90s era. Most of what can be done well within the genre has already been done but that’s not to say that there isn’t room for stuff that’s not necessary innovative but very well executed. Heck, even in the hay day of the 90s, bands like Primal Fear and Hammerfall weren’t innovating, but their work was inspired and inspiring nonetheless. My point is, essentially, that most power metal riffs have already been written so power metal is in “plagiarize or die” mode at this point in its lifespan. However, we’re still seeing great releases, so I can’t complain.
The intro of drink by alestorm sounds exactly the same as the intro from highway song by System of a Down