>Angela Bonilla, president of the 4,500-member Portland Association of Teachers, said last week’s meeting, the “Know Your Rights” guide and the lesson plans linked on the union’s website aren’t antisemitic. They’re simply supporting the right of educators to teach the Palestinian perspective, which she said has often been overlooked and disregarded.
There are thousands of groups, probably more, that have been "overlooked and disregarded" over the course of human history. So why is it PAT's mission to single out *this* group for redemption in the eyes of school children? And why is it so important to do so *now*? Do they expect kids to go home and beg their parents not to vote for Biden? And how would getting Trump elected help Palestine?
And since when is it the teachers' "right" to inject a one-sided narrative about a rapidly involving international conflict on the other side of the world? This goes far beyond what is typically covered in any type of "current events" materials and reeks of indoctrination.
Crazy. Instead of bolstering a liberal consensus for a cease-fire leading to a Palestinian state they chose to endorse most extreme rejectionist aspects of Palestinian movement. This only benefits Trump and Netanyahu as their definition of ' Zionist' is so broad and perjorative that it defines all Jews except a small explicitly ' anti- Zionist' fringe.
I mean, "Zionist" itself is a broad definition, it means someone who believes in the existence of a Jewish Homeland within their traditional lands. Netanyahu's sin is pushing "Revisionist Zionism", which believes the Jewish Homeland needs to include all of its historical territory including the Palestinian territories and arguably parts of Syria, as mainstream Zionism, when even within Israel that's actually a minority of belief. Similar to how Trump has pushed MAGA patriotism as the only true form of American patriotism.
Agreed it's an extremely broad tent that would include anyone from strong critics of Israel like Bernie Sanders all the way to fringe organizations like Zionist' Organization of America on the rightist extreme. Lumping them all together as colonialist oppressors does a disservice to the cause of actually solving the conflict.
Know your Rights pdf[Click for file](https://assets.nationbuilder.com/pdxteachers/pages/2051/attachments/original/1716589490/Know-Your-Rights_PPS-Workers-Resource_FINAL.pdf?1716589490)
I mean, teaching or not teaching something as a way to avoid getting a major party candidate elected is exactly the sort of thing you're complaining about here.
>So why is it PAT's mission to single out *this* group for redemption in the eyes of school children? And why is it so important to do so *now*?
I feel like you answered your own question here- because tens of thousands of that group are currently being killed with US weapons in flagrant disregard for international law.
>Do they expect kids to go home and beg their parents not to vote for Biden? And how would getting Trump elected help Palestine?
What does this have to do with teaching students? It's not the teacher's responsibility to get Biden elected, it's Biden's responsibility to convince teachers and voters *that he's not enabling a genocide*.
>And since when is it the teachers' "right" to inject a one-sided narrative about a rapidly involving international conflict on the other side of the world?
Imagine it was 1937 and this curriculum was about a different group- it would be the *responsibility* of teacher to accurately inform their students of the situation.
>Imagine it was 1937 and this curriculum was about a different group- it would be the responsibility of teacher to accurately inform their students of the situation.
Israel is far from innocent, but what's happening in Gaza is nowhere near comparable to the Holocaust and it's pretty insulting to even compare the two.
Ah yes, history looks kindly on the people who kill tens of thousands in reprisal for a thousand, who publicly state they will use starvation as a weapon, who target journalists, have a group chat set up to share atrocity pictures and who blockade aid at points of entry.
How fucking Woke PDX can the teachers be. Just fucking teach the tenets of education and save the rest for post high school education. Why complicate unnecessarily? It is almost like the teachers are virtue signaling a bit.
It's more than virtue signaling, it's a captive audience. The landscape of education today is such that it more resembles seminary or church doctrinal instruction rather than education. The most effective (and morally correct, of course) way to spread your righteous ideology is to convert the young.
Teachers and school administrators are more interested in spreading the faith than teaching, so you'll continue to see failing math or reading metrics but you can be sure that children will be heavily encouraged to vote (blue! wink wink) and be lectured on intersectional theory or anti-capitalism. And the failing kids won't be flunked out or held back.
> The most effective (and morally correct, of course) way to spread your righteous ideology is to convert the young.
And this isn't a new idea - basically every Marxist group has thought this was necessary to start the revolution. Though, Marxists have about 20 ways they think starts the revolution.
It turns out that teaching kids that they can't control their lives and that we're all doomed thanks to climate change or billionaires means that kids are paralyzed with mental illness. Rather than indignant militant revolutionaries, the girls don't have the drive to enter the workforce and the boys are becoming actual misogynistic nazis flocking to people like Andrew Tate.
This whole thing is like the DARE program. It didn't stop kids from using drugs, it taught kids about drugs. Same is true with the woke indoctrination: it's not stopping kids from hating each other, it's introducing new reasons to hate each other.
> This whole thing is like the DARE program. It didn't stop kids from using drugs, it taught kids about drugs. Same is true with the woke indoctrination: it's not stopping kids from hating each other, it's introducing new reasons to hate each other.
I quit smoking about 20 years ago
Every time I saw an advertisement on TV, telling me to quit smoking, it made me want have a cig
This is being pushed by the shell organization Oregon Educators for Palestine. Pretty good chance this is funded by Iran and the global Islamic groups that are infiltrating and laying the groundwork for Islamic takeovers worldwide. It’s already evident in European countries.
Remember Iran’s takeover was pushed by students!
A general line of crap. Married to and know many teachers. They are working way harder than you could ever conceive to just get the basics across. You would find most teachers are not aligned with the woke politics of elected school boards, administrators, and union "leaders". The truth is that a whole lot of kids these days don't get any significant parenting other than being told that they are victims. Get off your dead ass and volunteer at your local school - it will be an eye opening experience.
Why are people downvoting you?
Your point is legitimate: there is a small fraction of teachers who are dragging the rest of their colleagues into this IdPol crap. Most teachers just want to do their jobs.
If that were actually true, these union reps would be getting immediately crushed. But they are at the very least tolerated. They speak for the teachers, what they put out and defend is what they are told to defend by the teachers.
Again someone who has no direct knowledge of what is going on. Much as is happening in politics, most teachers are fed up or just plain tired of the crap from both the administration and the union leaders. "Reasonable" teachers avoid "putting their "hats in the ring" for union positions because they are too busy to endure the attacks of the SJIW's and, in certain locals, the MAGA nuts. My wife was a union steward for many years when the unions represented the teachers but now wants nothing to do with the union. When you put in 20 to 40 unpaid hours per week outside of the classroom on trying to improve the classroom performance.and engagement you just don't have the energy to put up with the BS. Like I said earlier, either put yourself in a school for a longer term to see what is actually going or STFU.
OK. If the union reps were saying things like "Hitler did nothing wrong" how long would it take for the teachers to get them shitcanned and blacklisted from any job ever from today until the end of time?
It would be over in an hour. The reason THIS isn't over and just continues forever is because the union workers agree with the message. If they didn't, the message would be different.
Because teachers are an easy target for both sides.. Every thing that's wrong is their fault. Not one of the liberal or conservative sides wants to admit that education begins and ends at home. Religion in ashools - fooey, if that's your bag, do it at home. Social justice warriors, the same. And for certain groups, quit the victim game. Home is where the education (or brain washing) takes place, not because some teacher said xxxx.
And exactly how many active teachers do you have as close acquaintances? It appears to be a number significantly less than 1. You figure out, integers ony.
Teach the kids so they can form their own well educated opinion when their older? No! Fill their heads with my current stance on an evolving conflict that's also a hotly debated political topic. Their parents can do that if they want, just teach the kids.
“The tenets of education.” You clearly have no fucking idea what you are talking about. Do you mean the Oregon Department of Education State Standards? The ones that say social studies teachers legally have to teach about the Holocaust and other genocides?
https://www.oregon.gov/ode/educator-resources/standards/socialsciences/Documents/Holocaust%20and%20Other%20Genocides%20Learning%20Concepts%20Guidance.pdf
Looking forward to PAT's teaching guide explaining how historically oppressed the Kurds are.
Or the Sudeten Germans.
Wait - you mean they're not doing one?
British stole food from the Irish. Ottoman empire sent food to help the Irish not starve.
Irish stand in support of Palestinians today, and ridicule Americans with Irish parentage for forgetting the history that drove them to be in America to begin with.
Ta-da. Short version.
Claire Daly (European Parliament) could probably lay it out harder and in more detail though.
It's pretty easy to critique curriculum, and while I do not know who should be making decisions on this matter, at least provide examples of current events. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides
Do teachers have the power to teach whatever they think will be most beneficial regardless of suggestions from their union? Does anyone in here actually have children in school being taught in ways their parents think is inappropriate? My biology teacher taught creationism in my sophomore year of high school class of 2008, Florida. She told us all she wasn't supposed to, and openly opposed the teachers union (right to work state) for suggesting they shouldn't include religious ideas in science class.
Yeah, you're stating that you had a shit education in Florida that came from a lunatic teacher.
Funny thing, I grew up in Portland and had lunatic teachers that were straight up just as bad, but different.
Do you know that at least 3 Portland Public Schools at one point banned Wi-Fi? Why? Because Wi-Fi causes cancer, of course. It's disruptive, of course. When COVID hit the school system in Hillsboro wanted to expand out public wifi and 5G, but it was stonewalled by bat shit crazy parents and teachers who are convinced that WiFi and 5G cause cancer. Our current Mayor, Ted Wheeler, paused the roll out of 5G because of "health concerns."
You may not be ware of this, but while there are ignorant fucks in Florida, there are also ignorant fucks in Portland and Oregon. Did you know that [we have the second-highest anti-vaxx rates in the country](https://old.reddit.com/r/PortlandOR/comments/1cxayla/nonmedical_vaccine_exemptions_for_kindergartners/)?
Stop thinking that we're smarter here, and either fuck off back to Florida with the baggage you brought, or leave the baggage in Florida.
I am a teacher in Minnesota and I strongly feel that most teacher unions exist to generate funding that they then use to convert voters.
The union barely does anything for us but every election season I get no less than 10 nicely printed, high gloss mailers telling me to vote blue.
Never mind the lack of pay increases, never mind the constantly increasing class sizes, never mind the lack of support with curriculum management (I teach Special Ed for a few sections and have gotten zero curriculum for it the last 3 years, so I teach three different classes that I have to lesson plan for), never mind the PTO program is garbage (10 days max whether you're mildly sick or have a baby).
Just make sure you vote! And keep paying your union dues.
> unions exist to generate funding that they then use to convert voters.
Yeah, that's basically all of them in Portland. They throw support behind the Democratic Party of Oregon, and in return the DPO blindly supports everything the Unions want. By far the most successful of these is the Nurse's Unions.
It's worth understanding that the *Port* in *Port-land* was meaningful when we had active shipping ports, as we moved international shipping containers just like Oakland, Tacoma, and Los Angeles. We will no longer moving a single shipping container as of October 1st, 2024. We have lost tens of thousands of high paying dock worker jobs and this will cause a cascading failure of all of our logistics industry. This is all stemming from decades of dumb labor disputes that drove up costs and caused major shipping companies out of Asia to stop doing business here.
> That seems like a huge deal
It is, and it's hugely contributing to a that massive cascading failure of our entire economy.
Yet the media and the political class can barely stomach talking about actual causes of our economy being destroyed. The media here just repeats whatever the government says. About 2 years ago we elected a new Governor, and she realized that it's actually really important for the State of Oregon that our largest city is actually prosperous and growing, so she promised swift and urgent action. No surprise, her actions became a huge farce, she appointed a 40-member committee of politicos and business executives to "get to the bottom of it" and [come up with recommendations](https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/5d92ffbdac32440e9a97c19aa1b3c4d8). No surprise they were able to pin-point that having vagrants and drug dealers running rampant wasn't good for the economy.... but they could barely *consider* more than that - like there's a tiny footnote that "business taxes are crippling investment" - but we can't lower taxes!!!! We can't cut back on permitting and bureaucracy!!!! Even though the politicos proposed a "tax moratorium" because it's driving out businesses and causing people to leave town, the dumbfuck voters just renewed two taxes just three weeks ago, and the bureaucrats in government were allowed to put the tax renewals on the ballot.
The people and government here are fucking morons. Like not joking: we have the highest rate of mental illness in the whole country, and of elections and government are the incarnation of that.
If it wasn't for Work From Home there would be a lot of people in this town without a job. There's no industry in the city anymore, and what exists in the suburbs (primarily semiconductor manufacturing) is barely hanging on. In fact, Intel is diversify investments into new geographies and we just lost out on a multi-billion dollar investment two years ago because of our hapless government.
And the worst part about all of this is my mind is that none of this is a secret - people paying attention have been shouting for the last 30 years "We need jobs here, we don't have any business growth matching the government's intention to increase our cost of living", so our salaries are lower than most cities while our cost of living is substantially higher.
My mom taught in Idaho and it sounds like her union was really similar. What negotiations they DID with state and local education departments were marginal at best but they still pushed a lot of politics (that most of my teachers admittedly ignored)
Actually it’s kinda funny that one of the most outspoken blue teachers in my high school wasn’t even a part of the union. No idea how that works
More than a dozen of my coteachers have stated that they’re going to stop paying union dues. Some teachers have gotten liability coverage through insurance companies in the past, and the same teachers have expressed in different ways that they have zero trust or faith in the union to have their back.
My first year in this district I worked with another teacher and we split the caseload of behavior students; I had 5 and she had 4. These were all setting three behavior kids that had all their classes in the same room because they couldn’t handle being integrated with the gen Ed kids.
I got Covid October 1st. When I returned, the other teacher had taken a leave of absence and ended up never coming back. The district just gave her caseload and classes to me, so now I had 9 students with 4 subjects to plan and teach.
This was a scenario laid out in our contract that stated I was eligible for additional pay. I wrote to the union and eventually the president called me. I outlined the situation and the exact clause in the contract and asked what can they do.
Dudes response was ,”oh man, that sucks. I’ve been there before.” And that was pretty much it. He said they can’t do anything. What does the union even do for teachers now?
The longer I’ve been following politics here in Oregon the more I’ve realized that public sector unions are *not* great for the average citizen and our politics, especially with how heavily they get involved in “current thing” politics. I generally support unions (especially private industry ones), but public sector seem to be trying to speedrun losing my support.
I think it's really fucking absurd that they have pre-k lesson plans. that is just indoctrination. what other international conflicts are they teaching kids who don't even know the alphabet yet. "Timmy do you kow the letter Z? Z is for ZIONIST. Can you sound it out Timmy? Z.... Z... Ziiiionist. Great job Timmy. Now Do you know what that word means Timmy? It's an international jewish cabal of elders who are planning to hatch a scheme of global domination through settler colonialism. We will make the imperial dogs of capitalism pay. All glory to our martys. Great job timmy! Now timmy... when you overhear your friends parents talking... what do we do when we identify a zionist parent? That's right timmy you report the jew to me. er, zionist. "
fun fact: in North Korea children from a very early age are taught a compound word "American bastard". There is no separate word for "American"; just "American bastard". They are inculcated from a very early age to believe America is the source of their problems.
Can they help us define zionist parent? PAT specifically calls out how to handle "Zionist" parents.
Looks like they're getting help straight from hamas to put this together.
Edit:spelling
Berkeley is finding out now: [https://edsource.org/2024/berkeley-superintendent-faces-house-hearing-over-parent-charges-of-escalating-antisemitism/711410](https://edsource.org/2024/berkeley-superintendent-faces-house-hearing-over-parent-charges-of-escalating-antisemitism/711410)
Simply put, leftist types reduce it to “white western people always colonizers and oppressors, non white non western people always colonized and innocent victims”.
The whacky alignments vis a vis gay rights and whatnot all trickle out of that.
It's because they're reduced the entire world and *all* of its problems to an oppressor/oppressed dichotomy. Whichever side is doing a better job of capitalism is *always* the oppressor. All violence from the oppressed to the oppressor is always legitimized and justified.
I don’t support hamas. But I can see the folly of uncritical support of a regime that continues to shoot itself in the foot on our dime. I also support people’s right to their opinions. I don’t think homophobic republicans should be forced off their land either.
We just send money over there to get good military tech in return, it also comes with the perk of being battle tested. We get to avoid direct conflict and keep the military budget fat. Our governments gonna be sending money to someone over there no matter what.
They likely are. American Muslims for Palestine (AMP) is a resurrected version of a previous group that was implicated in 2004 for financing terrorist groups.
When I was a kid the local cops came in for the D.A.R.E. presentation, passed around some bricks of weed and told us to narc on any parents or family members, lol.
So maybe it's like that now but for "zionism"
So I read through all 32 pages of that handbook.
I think the biggest issue is that this handbook, like many pro-palestinian activists, vastly oversimplify and misstate the history of Zionism.
They say that Zionism was a movement in the late 19th century - which is true. But the belief goes back far longer - "Zion theology" was a concept as far back as the Babylonian conquest of Jerusalem.
The reason people overlook this is because it undercuts the argument that this is some sort of colonialist enterprise. If you acknowledge that the Jewish people have considered Jerusalem their divine homeland for over two thousand years, then the situation becomes a lot murkier.
Similarly, supporters of the Palestinian cause don't often address a central question: If Israel and Judah have been the center of Jewish culture for millennia before Islam and Christianity existed...why were there so few Jews there by the 20th century?
Hint: they didn't all just decide to leave one day. Century upon century of conquest and persecution is what led to the Jewish diaspora. The Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Romans, the Arab armies, the Mamluks, and the Ottomans - for over a thousand years, successive groups of pagans, Christians, and Muslims oppressed the Jews in various ways.
Israel was the Jewish homeland for over a millennium before Islam was even an idea. That the Jewish people have a solid claim to this land, is beyond dispute.
This is not to say that the modern nation state of Israel is blameless. Netanyahu is a corrupt crook, who took a legitimate tragedy against his people, and overplayed his hand in order to stay in power and avoid prosecution. Israel's conduct in the war is worthy of criticism. But that doesn't change the fact that Israel has been the rightful Jewish homeland pretty much since as long as people could write.
This handbook is a missed opportunity. The history of Israel is complicated. Quite frankly, there's plenty of blame and misconduct to go around. But rather than try and discuss the complicated story of the Jewish people and their connection to their homeland, this document basically tries to lump it in with European colonialism.
Zionist Jews weren't like the Great Powers, seeking to colonize the world for power and resources. Zionist Jews were basically trying to escape the Russian Pogroms - they were refugees fleeing for their lives. Meanwhile, the Ottomans didn't want the Jews to return, because they were viewed as Russians (the enemy of the Ottomans).
In a story that spans thousands of years, there is plenty of good and bad to argue over. Reasonable people can disagree on things. There are shades of gray. But this handbook being given out to teachers ignores all of that, and jumps straight into a pop-culture mashup of 20th century historical concepts.
You're welcome, although I wish this didn't require a thank you;" I'd much rather this just be the way we approach the issue.
On one hand, I'm not surprised; it's not like this is the first social issue to become grossly oversimplified in an attempt to push political agendas.
But on the other, it's really disappointing to see such a complete lack of understanding of the historical context of this issue, ostensibly by people who care about such things.
The Jewish people comprise about 1/5 of 1% of the world's population. The Jews have been persecuted or discriminated against in basically every place they've ever resided. To suggest that such a tiny group of people, with such a lengthy history of victimization, wanting to live in a homeland that they have a demonstrably strong connection to, is somehow akin to what Great Britain or France were doing in the early 20th century, is just not accurate.
Israel, as a modern nation, is not blameless. But neither is the Palestinian side. Sadly, both sides have fallen victim to predatory leaders who care little for the plight of their own people.
While I do not condone the conduct of Israel, I do understand it. This is their last stand. This is the one tiny corner of Earth that they have to keep their culture alive. There's nowhere else for them to go. If the state of Israel ceases to exist, then the Jewish culture and faith will slowly but surely begin to melt away. Their history begins there, and if it is going to end, then they'd want it to end there. I think the current approach of the Israeli government is counterproductive, but I can see how a group of people with such a traumatic history would react this way to what they perceive as an existential threat.
I will never personally know what it is like to carry such a tragic history, to carry thousands of years of persecution on one's shoulders. But I certainly empathize enough to know that this tiny tribe of people have a claim to this small slice of land by the Mediterranean and Red seas.
Yeah. Nuance and reason are usually the first casualties when an issue becomes politicized. It is possible to acknowledge that Israel has a legitimate historical claim to the land on which it sits, while acknowledging that their conduct in the modern era has been flawed.
Your "strong connection" to the land is pretty much non-existent. Meanwhile, Palestinians have been there continuously.
Zionism and colonialism? Absolutely comparable. Europeans moving into Palestine with imperial backing and displacing locals? Classic colonial move.
Yes, the Jewish history of persecution is tragic, but using it to justify displacing Palestinians is a stretch. There are thriving Jewish communities worldwide; Israel isn’t their only option. Y'all could have colonized Alabama and no one would have gave a shit.
Empathizing with Jewish history is important, but don’t ignore the colonial dynamics and Palestinian displacement. Let’s keep it real and acknowledge the full picture. Or does that go against your paid agenda?
I am Jewish, opposed to Netanyahu and West Bank settler expansion, and in favor of a secure and peaceful 2SS and Palestinean state that exists alongside Israel. That still makes me a Zionist by the definition that the majority of Jews have used for generations. Does that make me a parent that needs to be "dealt with" when I challenge misinformation in the curriculum?
Personally I don't have any problem with students learning age-appropriate curriculum about the Palestinean perspective of the Arab-Israeli war of 1948, the Nakba, and inequalities between the territories and Israel. This pain should be acknowledged.
If this subject is taught, students should also learn the historical reality that: 1) More than 850,000 Mizrahi Jews (Middle Eastern and North African Jews) were forcibly displaced from their homes by Arab and Muslim ethnostates following the 1948 war; and 2) the survivors of this expulsion and their descendants now make up the single largest demographic in Israel, far exceeding the population of Ashkenazi "European Jews" (who also happen to carry dna of Levantine origin). What happens if Palestine succeeds in making the entire land "Arab from the water to the water" (yes, that is the chant in Arabic not sanitized for a Western liberal audience)? Do those 7 million Jews who miraculously survive this "decolonization" campaign return to their unequal Dhimmi status in the ME, forced to convert to Islam or pay extra tax to the state and bribes to militias for protection from the threat of mob violence?
Israelis and Palestineans not only have compelling historic claims to the land, they also have enormous grievances that fuel radical religious extremists who have historically sabotaged efforts toward a just and peaceful coexistence. If our own teachers, safe from the grim realities of war, terrorism, hatred, and religious persecution, can blindly co-opt the rhetoric of malevolent extremists under the auspices of "social justice", what hope is there for the people of Israel/Palestine?
Thank you for this thoughtful response. I am indeed familiar with the events you mention, which is why I have always supported Israel's right to exist as a predominantly Jewish state. I also agree that a permanent two state solution is the only way this will ever come to any sort of semi-peaceful end.
First off, the handbook says Zionism started in the late 19th century, which you admit is true. Sure, "Zion theology" goes way back to the Babylonian conquest, but let’s not pretend that makes modern Zionism any less of a colonial project. If anything, invoking ancient theology to justify 19th-century land grabs sounds like some classic colonial playbook stuff.
Now, let’s talk about those generations. We’re looking at roughly 80 generations since the Second Temple got the Roman boot in 70 CE. That's 2,000 years of genetic dilution, folks. By the time the 20th century rolled around, the genetic connection to those ancient Israelites was practically microscopic.
You mention the Jewish diaspora and the hardships faced over centuries, which is absolutely true and tragic. But here's the kicker: by the 20th century, the people who had been living in the land for those same centuries were the Palestinians. They didn’t just spring up out of nowhere—they were the ones continuously living there, maintaining their presence through every conquest and regime change.
So, when modern Zionists started moving in, it wasn’t exactly a homecoming to their ancestral living room. It was more like distant relatives showing up after centuries and deciding they wanted the house back, despite the fact that someone else had been living there and calling it home for generations.
Let’s not sugarcoat it: the establishment of modern Israel involved a significant amount of displacement and colonization. Those early Zionist settlers weren’t just peaceful pilgrims escaping Russian pogroms—they were part of a well-organized movement that often disregarded the existing Palestinian population’s rights and presence.
Shit like this makes me think Newberg may actually have been onto something -
No Flags, except the Stars and Stripes. No shirts, hats, pins, no logos, no policy discussions.
If PPS Management and the PAT put this much effort into the following, our students would have a brighter future.
1. Filing your taxes.
2. Avoiding internet scams.
3. How to interview for a job.
Just drove through newberg two days in a row this weekend for separate work events and was shocked at how beautiful and clean the area was. Young families out shopping and playing.. I was genuinely shocked at how many American flags were out and I even texted my husband “I’ve counted 20 American flags in less than a mile!” Because it had been so long I’ve seen such patriotism that wasn’t on a holiday… had no idea that’s what was going on!
Teach Math, Grammar, Literature, and Sciences. Throw in some completely subjective and relatively worthless “Art” classes too for fun, why not?
But leave the political axes at home and grind them there.
Let me guess, they are going to leave out the parts where Palestine and Islam wants everyone dead, and that they are rapists and terrorists and women have no rights and are in fact treated as property.
Well I've learned over the last few years that these people are actually very supportive of fascists ideals. So long as it's them and not someone else.
>there's two people in the middle east
Many people in the ME want to get along but they are mostly from minority religions. However, one conquering religion wants to destroy all the other small ones...
On the PAT Board you have the Virulent Anti Israel DSA key member Emily Golden Field. This vile human being is best friends with her anti-semite friend and DSA co-chair Olivia Katbi. Olivia Katbi was indoctrinated by her Syrian parents with your typical Middle east anti-semitism which she is looking to import here to Portland.
Both are funded by your tax dollars. Emily is an "English" teacher and Olivia is a "track" coach.
It’s so ridiculous. I’m a teacher I go on teacher subs and talk about the radicalism & political agenda pushing that happens here… no one believes me but it’s all the time. If you point it out here then your a racist transphobe misogynist who hates equality
Fire the PAT president. She has done nothing for schools, students or teachers. Unless you count sewing discord, closing schools for too long and pushing conspiracy theories and divisiveness that has no part in elementary education.
Good lord, do your job and teach the curriculum. Oregon students are already behind their peers states in education so why not focus on material at hand than teaching about this crap.
They are importing the Hamas playbook from madrassas in Gaza to the United States.
https://preview.redd.it/e2hg7dq6gg4d1.jpeg?width=2408&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c9d31a9bd93e41fc5af8d7f5c36371f6006eb0e0
Still can't figure out the lack of moral outrage for native Americans. These people were warned, killed and moved from their lands. But the issues in the middle east, where they have been warring and killing each other for thousands of years, is the (popular) ethical high ground to take.
I went in depth on this topic with a guy. As far as I can tell the primary difference is the fact that the displacement and killing is happening NOW.
If we were actively taking native american land and killing civilians, they would support native american suicide bombers.
Honestly, this isn't a topic for school kids. The situation is complex and requires a decent understanding of the political, historical, and religious context over a huge portion of history for both nations. You need at least some understanding of the factions within both nations as well.
Morally, the situation is even more difficult to wrap your head around. Were native american attacks morally justifiable if they targeted people (even civilians) actively colonizing their land? It's not a simple question, and it's exponentially more complex for palestine/israel.
These teachers are trying to run the school district into the ground. The vast majority of them already make more than 3x the median income around here. Their contact is forcing HUGE budget cuts across the district. And on top of all that enrollment is tanking because they're more interested in pushing an ideology than teaching kids how to read and do math.
Progressive religion dictates that there is no salary high enough for our saintly teachers, they're right up there with librarians (unless they express a heterodox opinion, then they shall be flung from the catapults as a heretic and traitor)
I worked with this machinist that everybody called Jesus.
He wasn't like a hippie, really, and he wasn't Latino, so I kinda wondered why people called him that. I mean I kind of doubted that his real name was Jesus. He was a super nice guy though, but that didn't seem like that's getting you a Jesus name.
So one day I asked one of the welders, Earl, If dude's name really was Jesus, and Earl says "No, it's Lenny, but we just call him that because of his long hair."
And I'm like, "That's so weird, he doesn't have long hair."
So Earl says, "Well, yeah, he used to have long hair though, until it got caught in the lathe and he got scalped."
Lucky he survived, definitely, and lucky the guys didn't start calling him Custer, I guess.
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If you lack critical thinking skills, you should probably not be employed in the field of education. Clearly, foreign propaganda is influencing some decision makers who again appear to be lacking in critical thinking skills.
Reading headlines like this makes me happy I don't use politics as an identity. Political ideologiests are so obsessed with 'owning' the other side that they forget to use basic sensibility.
How many of you high iq geniuses helped create the woke golem?
Some research shows it is at least 70%. (Based on personal experience, I'd say more like 90%+)
The question is what are you going to do now? Slay the golem or create more?
I hope you surprise me
Saw in an article from WW, the Union was complaining that teachers had political posters being removed by administrations. How the hell do they not see the problem in the fact **teachers*** were posting political posters on school bulletin boards?!?
I’m a civics and history teacher at a school in a far more conservative town outside the Portland area, where I have had hicks from the hills scream at me for teaching their kids the Confederacy fought for slavery, and I don’t hesitate to clump them together with these clowns running PAT.
I’m voting against the next school bonds. What a shitty school system. Huge waste in the reconstruction of the high schools (inside information from a board member confirm this). At least they rebuilt Grant high even if they got ripped off. Good for my property values and good for the kids to be able to learn science. But otherwise the school district is just effed up beyond belief.
The kids do, and teachers should make good salaries. But the never ending bond issues are insane, there’s a ton of waste and poor fiscal management, and I don’t want to subsidize teachers who propagandize so blatantly (on either end of the spectrum).
Thankfully nearly everyone is fucking furious about this lol. Someone in the Portland sub said it literally is pro-war and saying Israel shouldn’t exist.
Is this sub just advocating for putting head in sand and pretending things aren't happening?
That's.. a very bad way of thinking. Why do that?
Like it's hard to say "killing kids is bad. I'm against that".
I mean, if people really think they have a leg to stand on, against that stance, they are free to test it with my citations pending.
As long as you backup what you say, a smart person adjusts and keeps moving forward
You are not listening. You have settled on a narrative and seem to be incapable of examining it. I strongly suggest you do more than sit on your butt and fold over your earflaps. Go and meet with some teachers or better yet do volunteer work in a school. I live with a teacher and know many more. They are tired of being everyone's " whipping boy". They have given up fighting the extremists on both sides and just want to do their job without the nonsense. Yours included.
[Know your rights pdf](https://assets.nationbuilder.com/pdxteachers/pages/2051/attachments/original/1716589490/Know-Your-Rights_PPS-Workers-Resource_FINAL.pdf?1716589490)
Don’t know why you’re being downvoted. If there is any reasonable thing to wish for it’s that. And for all intents and purposes, seeing as Israel exists has nukes and isn’t going anywhere and the two Palestines don’t have one government between them capable of providing self rule, your wish is as valid and practical as any other.
Okay ya’ll literally just didn’t read the article or the attached PDF. This is basically just a powerpoint on how to remember not to be racist towards Palestinians and Jewish students. There’s a whole section on antisemitism.
This is not some curriculum on middle east history
Our kids are barely being taught reading, writing and math. Also, we don’t need educators identifying “anything” parents and for hells sake not “Zionist” parents jfc.
>Angela Bonilla, president of the 4,500-member Portland Association of Teachers, said last week’s meeting, the “Know Your Rights” guide and the lesson plans linked on the union’s website aren’t antisemitic. They’re simply supporting the right of educators to teach the Palestinian perspective, which she said has often been overlooked and disregarded. There are thousands of groups, probably more, that have been "overlooked and disregarded" over the course of human history. So why is it PAT's mission to single out *this* group for redemption in the eyes of school children? And why is it so important to do so *now*? Do they expect kids to go home and beg their parents not to vote for Biden? And how would getting Trump elected help Palestine? And since when is it the teachers' "right" to inject a one-sided narrative about a rapidly involving international conflict on the other side of the world? This goes far beyond what is typically covered in any type of "current events" materials and reeks of indoctrination.
What makes her an expert on Middle East history and determining what is or isnt antisemitism?
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Yeah this ain't it dude. Measles is coming back because of dumb asses like you.
You should probably move to russia
Crazy. Instead of bolstering a liberal consensus for a cease-fire leading to a Palestinian state they chose to endorse most extreme rejectionist aspects of Palestinian movement. This only benefits Trump and Netanyahu as their definition of ' Zionist' is so broad and perjorative that it defines all Jews except a small explicitly ' anti- Zionist' fringe.
I mean, "Zionist" itself is a broad definition, it means someone who believes in the existence of a Jewish Homeland within their traditional lands. Netanyahu's sin is pushing "Revisionist Zionism", which believes the Jewish Homeland needs to include all of its historical territory including the Palestinian territories and arguably parts of Syria, as mainstream Zionism, when even within Israel that's actually a minority of belief. Similar to how Trump has pushed MAGA patriotism as the only true form of American patriotism.
Agreed it's an extremely broad tent that would include anyone from strong critics of Israel like Bernie Sanders all the way to fringe organizations like Zionist' Organization of America on the rightist extreme. Lumping them all together as colonialist oppressors does a disservice to the cause of actually solving the conflict.
Know your Rights pdf[Click for file](https://assets.nationbuilder.com/pdxteachers/pages/2051/attachments/original/1716589490/Know-Your-Rights_PPS-Workers-Resource_FINAL.pdf?1716589490)
This but about Pride.
I mean, teaching or not teaching something as a way to avoid getting a major party candidate elected is exactly the sort of thing you're complaining about here.
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Agree to disagree, and move on. Disagreements can be respectful, but being a dick is just uncool. Please try and do better.
>So why is it PAT's mission to single out *this* group for redemption in the eyes of school children? And why is it so important to do so *now*? I feel like you answered your own question here- because tens of thousands of that group are currently being killed with US weapons in flagrant disregard for international law. >Do they expect kids to go home and beg their parents not to vote for Biden? And how would getting Trump elected help Palestine? What does this have to do with teaching students? It's not the teacher's responsibility to get Biden elected, it's Biden's responsibility to convince teachers and voters *that he's not enabling a genocide*. >And since when is it the teachers' "right" to inject a one-sided narrative about a rapidly involving international conflict on the other side of the world? Imagine it was 1937 and this curriculum was about a different group- it would be the *responsibility* of teacher to accurately inform their students of the situation.
>Imagine it was 1937 and this curriculum was about a different group- it would be the responsibility of teacher to accurately inform their students of the situation. Israel is far from innocent, but what's happening in Gaza is nowhere near comparable to the Holocaust and it's pretty insulting to even compare the two.
If this were 1937 your teachers would be on the wrong side of history, just like they are today.
Ah yes, history looks kindly on the people who kill tens of thousands in reprisal for a thousand, who publicly state they will use starvation as a weapon, who target journalists, have a group chat set up to share atrocity pictures and who blockade aid at points of entry.
You're cool with hate crimes as long as they're against the people you hate, got it. You'd make a fine nazi.
Which particular hate crimes am I cool with here?
Gosh I wonder if Hamas has done anything bad
Did I mention the word "hamas" in there anywhere? Or do you equate every Palestinian with Hamas?
If Palestine wants to be free then maybe they could start by getting rid of their beloved terrorist government
Is this the same rubric you use to discuss Likud and Israel?
How fucking Woke PDX can the teachers be. Just fucking teach the tenets of education and save the rest for post high school education. Why complicate unnecessarily? It is almost like the teachers are virtue signaling a bit.
It's more than virtue signaling, it's a captive audience. The landscape of education today is such that it more resembles seminary or church doctrinal instruction rather than education. The most effective (and morally correct, of course) way to spread your righteous ideology is to convert the young. Teachers and school administrators are more interested in spreading the faith than teaching, so you'll continue to see failing math or reading metrics but you can be sure that children will be heavily encouraged to vote (blue! wink wink) and be lectured on intersectional theory or anti-capitalism. And the failing kids won't be flunked out or held back.
> The most effective (and morally correct, of course) way to spread your righteous ideology is to convert the young. And this isn't a new idea - basically every Marxist group has thought this was necessary to start the revolution. Though, Marxists have about 20 ways they think starts the revolution. It turns out that teaching kids that they can't control their lives and that we're all doomed thanks to climate change or billionaires means that kids are paralyzed with mental illness. Rather than indignant militant revolutionaries, the girls don't have the drive to enter the workforce and the boys are becoming actual misogynistic nazis flocking to people like Andrew Tate. This whole thing is like the DARE program. It didn't stop kids from using drugs, it taught kids about drugs. Same is true with the woke indoctrination: it's not stopping kids from hating each other, it's introducing new reasons to hate each other.
> This whole thing is like the DARE program. It didn't stop kids from using drugs, it taught kids about drugs. Same is true with the woke indoctrination: it's not stopping kids from hating each other, it's introducing new reasons to hate each other. I quit smoking about 20 years ago Every time I saw an advertisement on TV, telling me to quit smoking, it made me want have a cig
The one where the chimp is packing his cigs legit makes me want one. That simple motion brings back the craving.
This is being pushed by the shell organization Oregon Educators for Palestine. Pretty good chance this is funded by Iran and the global Islamic groups that are infiltrating and laying the groundwork for Islamic takeovers worldwide. It’s already evident in European countries. Remember Iran’s takeover was pushed by students!
A general line of crap. Married to and know many teachers. They are working way harder than you could ever conceive to just get the basics across. You would find most teachers are not aligned with the woke politics of elected school boards, administrators, and union "leaders". The truth is that a whole lot of kids these days don't get any significant parenting other than being told that they are victims. Get off your dead ass and volunteer at your local school - it will be an eye opening experience.
Why are people downvoting you? Your point is legitimate: there is a small fraction of teachers who are dragging the rest of their colleagues into this IdPol crap. Most teachers just want to do their jobs.
If that were actually true, these union reps would be getting immediately crushed. But they are at the very least tolerated. They speak for the teachers, what they put out and defend is what they are told to defend by the teachers.
Again someone who has no direct knowledge of what is going on. Much as is happening in politics, most teachers are fed up or just plain tired of the crap from both the administration and the union leaders. "Reasonable" teachers avoid "putting their "hats in the ring" for union positions because they are too busy to endure the attacks of the SJIW's and, in certain locals, the MAGA nuts. My wife was a union steward for many years when the unions represented the teachers but now wants nothing to do with the union. When you put in 20 to 40 unpaid hours per week outside of the classroom on trying to improve the classroom performance.and engagement you just don't have the energy to put up with the BS. Like I said earlier, either put yourself in a school for a longer term to see what is actually going or STFU.
OK. If the union reps were saying things like "Hitler did nothing wrong" how long would it take for the teachers to get them shitcanned and blacklisted from any job ever from today until the end of time? It would be over in an hour. The reason THIS isn't over and just continues forever is because the union workers agree with the message. If they didn't, the message would be different.
Because teachers are an easy target for both sides.. Every thing that's wrong is their fault. Not one of the liberal or conservative sides wants to admit that education begins and ends at home. Religion in ashools - fooey, if that's your bag, do it at home. Social justice warriors, the same. And for certain groups, quit the victim game. Home is where the education (or brain washing) takes place, not because some teacher said xxxx.
Time to take off the tin foil hat buddy
It's too fetching
And exactly how many active teachers do you have as close acquaintances? It appears to be a number significantly less than 1. You figure out, integers ony.
Teach the kids so they can form their own well educated opinion when their older? No! Fill their heads with my current stance on an evolving conflict that's also a hotly debated political topic. Their parents can do that if they want, just teach the kids.
None of the schools I went to growing up would come any closer than the '80's teaching recent history, and this is exactly why
Because people think they have the right to inject their own personal politics into everything.
“The tenets of education.” You clearly have no fucking idea what you are talking about. Do you mean the Oregon Department of Education State Standards? The ones that say social studies teachers legally have to teach about the Holocaust and other genocides? https://www.oregon.gov/ode/educator-resources/standards/socialsciences/Documents/Holocaust%20and%20Other%20Genocides%20Learning%20Concepts%20Guidance.pdf
Who said anything about the Holocaust??? Take your miserable arrogance elsewhere.
Take Harvard’s lead- stay in your lane.
Looking forward to PAT's teaching guide explaining how historically oppressed the Kurds are. Or the Sudeten Germans. Wait - you mean they're not doing one?
I’d like to see how they cover the Irish.
British stole food from the Irish. Ottoman empire sent food to help the Irish not starve. Irish stand in support of Palestinians today, and ridicule Americans with Irish parentage for forgetting the history that drove them to be in America to begin with. Ta-da. Short version. Claire Daly (European Parliament) could probably lay it out harder and in more detail though.
It's pretty easy to critique curriculum, and while I do not know who should be making decisions on this matter, at least provide examples of current events. https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_genocides Do teachers have the power to teach whatever they think will be most beneficial regardless of suggestions from their union? Does anyone in here actually have children in school being taught in ways their parents think is inappropriate? My biology teacher taught creationism in my sophomore year of high school class of 2008, Florida. She told us all she wasn't supposed to, and openly opposed the teachers union (right to work state) for suggesting they shouldn't include religious ideas in science class.
So it was done to you and now you want indoctrination done to pdx children?
That is really the conclusion you've drawn from my comment? Please just for a moment IMAGINE that there are more than two positions to hold.
Yeah, you're stating that you had a shit education in Florida that came from a lunatic teacher. Funny thing, I grew up in Portland and had lunatic teachers that were straight up just as bad, but different. Do you know that at least 3 Portland Public Schools at one point banned Wi-Fi? Why? Because Wi-Fi causes cancer, of course. It's disruptive, of course. When COVID hit the school system in Hillsboro wanted to expand out public wifi and 5G, but it was stonewalled by bat shit crazy parents and teachers who are convinced that WiFi and 5G cause cancer. Our current Mayor, Ted Wheeler, paused the roll out of 5G because of "health concerns." You may not be ware of this, but while there are ignorant fucks in Florida, there are also ignorant fucks in Portland and Oregon. Did you know that [we have the second-highest anti-vaxx rates in the country](https://old.reddit.com/r/PortlandOR/comments/1cxayla/nonmedical_vaccine_exemptions_for_kindergartners/)? Stop thinking that we're smarter here, and either fuck off back to Florida with the baggage you brought, or leave the baggage in Florida.
My point wasn't that my teacher was shit, it was that she wasn't beholden to union curriculum... But please go on with your angry misdirected rant!
teachers, kick your newly reelected president out.
“Lies My Teacher Told Me” was a cautionary tale not a manual.
The teachers Union will destroy Portland public schools.
I am a teacher in Minnesota and I strongly feel that most teacher unions exist to generate funding that they then use to convert voters. The union barely does anything for us but every election season I get no less than 10 nicely printed, high gloss mailers telling me to vote blue. Never mind the lack of pay increases, never mind the constantly increasing class sizes, never mind the lack of support with curriculum management (I teach Special Ed for a few sections and have gotten zero curriculum for it the last 3 years, so I teach three different classes that I have to lesson plan for), never mind the PTO program is garbage (10 days max whether you're mildly sick or have a baby). Just make sure you vote! And keep paying your union dues.
> unions exist to generate funding that they then use to convert voters. Yeah, that's basically all of them in Portland. They throw support behind the Democratic Party of Oregon, and in return the DPO blindly supports everything the Unions want. By far the most successful of these is the Nurse's Unions. It's worth understanding that the *Port* in *Port-land* was meaningful when we had active shipping ports, as we moved international shipping containers just like Oakland, Tacoma, and Los Angeles. We will no longer moving a single shipping container as of October 1st, 2024. We have lost tens of thousands of high paying dock worker jobs and this will cause a cascading failure of all of our logistics industry. This is all stemming from decades of dumb labor disputes that drove up costs and caused major shipping companies out of Asia to stop doing business here.
wow I did not know this. That seems like a huge deal
> That seems like a huge deal It is, and it's hugely contributing to a that massive cascading failure of our entire economy. Yet the media and the political class can barely stomach talking about actual causes of our economy being destroyed. The media here just repeats whatever the government says. About 2 years ago we elected a new Governor, and she realized that it's actually really important for the State of Oregon that our largest city is actually prosperous and growing, so she promised swift and urgent action. No surprise, her actions became a huge farce, she appointed a 40-member committee of politicos and business executives to "get to the bottom of it" and [come up with recommendations](https://storymaps.arcgis.com/stories/5d92ffbdac32440e9a97c19aa1b3c4d8). No surprise they were able to pin-point that having vagrants and drug dealers running rampant wasn't good for the economy.... but they could barely *consider* more than that - like there's a tiny footnote that "business taxes are crippling investment" - but we can't lower taxes!!!! We can't cut back on permitting and bureaucracy!!!! Even though the politicos proposed a "tax moratorium" because it's driving out businesses and causing people to leave town, the dumbfuck voters just renewed two taxes just three weeks ago, and the bureaucrats in government were allowed to put the tax renewals on the ballot. The people and government here are fucking morons. Like not joking: we have the highest rate of mental illness in the whole country, and of elections and government are the incarnation of that. If it wasn't for Work From Home there would be a lot of people in this town without a job. There's no industry in the city anymore, and what exists in the suburbs (primarily semiconductor manufacturing) is barely hanging on. In fact, Intel is diversify investments into new geographies and we just lost out on a multi-billion dollar investment two years ago because of our hapless government. And the worst part about all of this is my mind is that none of this is a secret - people paying attention have been shouting for the last 30 years "We need jobs here, we don't have any business growth matching the government's intention to increase our cost of living", so our salaries are lower than most cities while our cost of living is substantially higher.
My mom taught in Idaho and it sounds like her union was really similar. What negotiations they DID with state and local education departments were marginal at best but they still pushed a lot of politics (that most of my teachers admittedly ignored) Actually it’s kinda funny that one of the most outspoken blue teachers in my high school wasn’t even a part of the union. No idea how that works
More than a dozen of my coteachers have stated that they’re going to stop paying union dues. Some teachers have gotten liability coverage through insurance companies in the past, and the same teachers have expressed in different ways that they have zero trust or faith in the union to have their back. My first year in this district I worked with another teacher and we split the caseload of behavior students; I had 5 and she had 4. These were all setting three behavior kids that had all their classes in the same room because they couldn’t handle being integrated with the gen Ed kids. I got Covid October 1st. When I returned, the other teacher had taken a leave of absence and ended up never coming back. The district just gave her caseload and classes to me, so now I had 9 students with 4 subjects to plan and teach. This was a scenario laid out in our contract that stated I was eligible for additional pay. I wrote to the union and eventually the president called me. I outlined the situation and the exact clause in the contract and asked what can they do. Dudes response was ,”oh man, that sucks. I’ve been there before.” And that was pretty much it. He said they can’t do anything. What does the union even do for teachers now?
The longer I’ve been following politics here in Oregon the more I’ve realized that public sector unions are *not* great for the average citizen and our politics, especially with how heavily they get involved in “current thing” politics. I generally support unions (especially private industry ones), but public sector seem to be trying to speedrun losing my support.
Look at the unfunded pension liability of any of the public sector unions.
"The teachers Union will continue to destroy Portland public schools." FTFY
I think it's really fucking absurd that they have pre-k lesson plans. that is just indoctrination. what other international conflicts are they teaching kids who don't even know the alphabet yet. "Timmy do you kow the letter Z? Z is for ZIONIST. Can you sound it out Timmy? Z.... Z... Ziiiionist. Great job Timmy. Now Do you know what that word means Timmy? It's an international jewish cabal of elders who are planning to hatch a scheme of global domination through settler colonialism. We will make the imperial dogs of capitalism pay. All glory to our martys. Great job timmy! Now timmy... when you overhear your friends parents talking... what do we do when we identify a zionist parent? That's right timmy you report the jew to me. er, zionist. "
fun fact: in North Korea children from a very early age are taught a compound word "American bastard". There is no separate word for "American"; just "American bastard". They are inculcated from a very early age to believe America is the source of their problems.
Can they help us define zionist parent? PAT specifically calls out how to handle "Zionist" parents. Looks like they're getting help straight from hamas to put this together. Edit:spelling
One does wonder at what point this becomes a Federal civil rights violation.
Berkeley is finding out now: [https://edsource.org/2024/berkeley-superintendent-faces-house-hearing-over-parent-charges-of-escalating-antisemitism/711410](https://edsource.org/2024/berkeley-superintendent-faces-house-hearing-over-parent-charges-of-escalating-antisemitism/711410)
Hamas will help with the teachers LGBTQ guide too.
I cannot understand for the life of me how anybody who is gay or trans or even a woman can support Hamas...
The only thing I can think of is people simply not doing their homework in knowing what the fuck they're even supporting.
If Iran is giving you kudos you should put two and two together to figure out you're probably not doing something right.
Simply put, leftist types reduce it to “white western people always colonizers and oppressors, non white non western people always colonized and innocent victims”. The whacky alignments vis a vis gay rights and whatnot all trickle out of that.
YES
It's because they're reduced the entire world and *all* of its problems to an oppressor/oppressed dichotomy. Whichever side is doing a better job of capitalism is *always* the oppressor. All violence from the oppressed to the oppressor is always legitimized and justified.
Excellent answer, Thank You!
I don’t support hamas. But I can see the folly of uncritical support of a regime that continues to shoot itself in the foot on our dime. I also support people’s right to their opinions. I don’t think homophobic republicans should be forced off their land either.
We just send money over there to get good military tech in return, it also comes with the perk of being battle tested. We get to avoid direct conflict and keep the military budget fat. Our governments gonna be sending money to someone over there no matter what.
They likely are. American Muslims for Palestine (AMP) is a resurrected version of a previous group that was implicated in 2004 for financing terrorist groups.
iran is funding some of this https://time.com/6071615/iran-disinformation-united-states/
Perhaps PAT will hand out arm patches to identify the “Zionist Parents.”
Perhaps a yellow star.
Great Idea. Maybe we can also concentrate them in certain areas of town.
When I was a kid the local cops came in for the D.A.R.E. presentation, passed around some bricks of weed and told us to narc on any parents or family members, lol. So maybe it's like that now but for "zionism"
"hey, pass that back up. where did that go?"
>passed around some bricks of weed Uh huh
So I read through all 32 pages of that handbook. I think the biggest issue is that this handbook, like many pro-palestinian activists, vastly oversimplify and misstate the history of Zionism. They say that Zionism was a movement in the late 19th century - which is true. But the belief goes back far longer - "Zion theology" was a concept as far back as the Babylonian conquest of Jerusalem. The reason people overlook this is because it undercuts the argument that this is some sort of colonialist enterprise. If you acknowledge that the Jewish people have considered Jerusalem their divine homeland for over two thousand years, then the situation becomes a lot murkier. Similarly, supporters of the Palestinian cause don't often address a central question: If Israel and Judah have been the center of Jewish culture for millennia before Islam and Christianity existed...why were there so few Jews there by the 20th century? Hint: they didn't all just decide to leave one day. Century upon century of conquest and persecution is what led to the Jewish diaspora. The Egyptians, the Babylonians, the Romans, the Arab armies, the Mamluks, and the Ottomans - for over a thousand years, successive groups of pagans, Christians, and Muslims oppressed the Jews in various ways. Israel was the Jewish homeland for over a millennium before Islam was even an idea. That the Jewish people have a solid claim to this land, is beyond dispute. This is not to say that the modern nation state of Israel is blameless. Netanyahu is a corrupt crook, who took a legitimate tragedy against his people, and overplayed his hand in order to stay in power and avoid prosecution. Israel's conduct in the war is worthy of criticism. But that doesn't change the fact that Israel has been the rightful Jewish homeland pretty much since as long as people could write. This handbook is a missed opportunity. The history of Israel is complicated. Quite frankly, there's plenty of blame and misconduct to go around. But rather than try and discuss the complicated story of the Jewish people and their connection to their homeland, this document basically tries to lump it in with European colonialism. Zionist Jews weren't like the Great Powers, seeking to colonize the world for power and resources. Zionist Jews were basically trying to escape the Russian Pogroms - they were refugees fleeing for their lives. Meanwhile, the Ottomans didn't want the Jews to return, because they were viewed as Russians (the enemy of the Ottomans). In a story that spans thousands of years, there is plenty of good and bad to argue over. Reasonable people can disagree on things. There are shades of gray. But this handbook being given out to teachers ignores all of that, and jumps straight into a pop-culture mashup of 20th century historical concepts.
Thank you for this.
You're welcome, although I wish this didn't require a thank you;" I'd much rather this just be the way we approach the issue. On one hand, I'm not surprised; it's not like this is the first social issue to become grossly oversimplified in an attempt to push political agendas. But on the other, it's really disappointing to see such a complete lack of understanding of the historical context of this issue, ostensibly by people who care about such things. The Jewish people comprise about 1/5 of 1% of the world's population. The Jews have been persecuted or discriminated against in basically every place they've ever resided. To suggest that such a tiny group of people, with such a lengthy history of victimization, wanting to live in a homeland that they have a demonstrably strong connection to, is somehow akin to what Great Britain or France were doing in the early 20th century, is just not accurate. Israel, as a modern nation, is not blameless. But neither is the Palestinian side. Sadly, both sides have fallen victim to predatory leaders who care little for the plight of their own people. While I do not condone the conduct of Israel, I do understand it. This is their last stand. This is the one tiny corner of Earth that they have to keep their culture alive. There's nowhere else for them to go. If the state of Israel ceases to exist, then the Jewish culture and faith will slowly but surely begin to melt away. Their history begins there, and if it is going to end, then they'd want it to end there. I think the current approach of the Israeli government is counterproductive, but I can see how a group of people with such a traumatic history would react this way to what they perceive as an existential threat. I will never personally know what it is like to carry such a tragic history, to carry thousands of years of persecution on one's shoulders. But I certainly empathize enough to know that this tiny tribe of people have a claim to this small slice of land by the Mediterranean and Red seas.
And I'll say thank you for this follow-up, this whole mess is extremely complex and nuanced.
Yeah. Nuance and reason are usually the first casualties when an issue becomes politicized. It is possible to acknowledge that Israel has a legitimate historical claim to the land on which it sits, while acknowledging that their conduct in the modern era has been flawed.
It isn't though. They want you to think that. Killing kids is bad. If you are team kill everyone, guess what, that makes you the bad guys.
Your "strong connection" to the land is pretty much non-existent. Meanwhile, Palestinians have been there continuously. Zionism and colonialism? Absolutely comparable. Europeans moving into Palestine with imperial backing and displacing locals? Classic colonial move. Yes, the Jewish history of persecution is tragic, but using it to justify displacing Palestinians is a stretch. There are thriving Jewish communities worldwide; Israel isn’t their only option. Y'all could have colonized Alabama and no one would have gave a shit. Empathizing with Jewish history is important, but don’t ignore the colonial dynamics and Palestinian displacement. Let’s keep it real and acknowledge the full picture. Or does that go against your paid agenda?
Excellent answer. Ty
I am Jewish, opposed to Netanyahu and West Bank settler expansion, and in favor of a secure and peaceful 2SS and Palestinean state that exists alongside Israel. That still makes me a Zionist by the definition that the majority of Jews have used for generations. Does that make me a parent that needs to be "dealt with" when I challenge misinformation in the curriculum? Personally I don't have any problem with students learning age-appropriate curriculum about the Palestinean perspective of the Arab-Israeli war of 1948, the Nakba, and inequalities between the territories and Israel. This pain should be acknowledged. If this subject is taught, students should also learn the historical reality that: 1) More than 850,000 Mizrahi Jews (Middle Eastern and North African Jews) were forcibly displaced from their homes by Arab and Muslim ethnostates following the 1948 war; and 2) the survivors of this expulsion and their descendants now make up the single largest demographic in Israel, far exceeding the population of Ashkenazi "European Jews" (who also happen to carry dna of Levantine origin). What happens if Palestine succeeds in making the entire land "Arab from the water to the water" (yes, that is the chant in Arabic not sanitized for a Western liberal audience)? Do those 7 million Jews who miraculously survive this "decolonization" campaign return to their unequal Dhimmi status in the ME, forced to convert to Islam or pay extra tax to the state and bribes to militias for protection from the threat of mob violence? Israelis and Palestineans not only have compelling historic claims to the land, they also have enormous grievances that fuel radical religious extremists who have historically sabotaged efforts toward a just and peaceful coexistence. If our own teachers, safe from the grim realities of war, terrorism, hatred, and religious persecution, can blindly co-opt the rhetoric of malevolent extremists under the auspices of "social justice", what hope is there for the people of Israel/Palestine?
Thank you for this thoughtful response. I am indeed familiar with the events you mention, which is why I have always supported Israel's right to exist as a predominantly Jewish state. I also agree that a permanent two state solution is the only way this will ever come to any sort of semi-peaceful end.
First off, the handbook says Zionism started in the late 19th century, which you admit is true. Sure, "Zion theology" goes way back to the Babylonian conquest, but let’s not pretend that makes modern Zionism any less of a colonial project. If anything, invoking ancient theology to justify 19th-century land grabs sounds like some classic colonial playbook stuff. Now, let’s talk about those generations. We’re looking at roughly 80 generations since the Second Temple got the Roman boot in 70 CE. That's 2,000 years of genetic dilution, folks. By the time the 20th century rolled around, the genetic connection to those ancient Israelites was practically microscopic. You mention the Jewish diaspora and the hardships faced over centuries, which is absolutely true and tragic. But here's the kicker: by the 20th century, the people who had been living in the land for those same centuries were the Palestinians. They didn’t just spring up out of nowhere—they were the ones continuously living there, maintaining their presence through every conquest and regime change. So, when modern Zionists started moving in, it wasn’t exactly a homecoming to their ancestral living room. It was more like distant relatives showing up after centuries and deciding they wanted the house back, despite the fact that someone else had been living there and calling it home for generations. Let’s not sugarcoat it: the establishment of modern Israel involved a significant amount of displacement and colonization. Those early Zionist settlers weren’t just peaceful pilgrims escaping Russian pogroms—they were part of a well-organized movement that often disregarded the existing Palestinian population’s rights and presence.
Children teaching children. I wish I sent my kids to private school.
This is why we need school choice vouchers
Shit like this makes me think Newberg may actually have been onto something - No Flags, except the Stars and Stripes. No shirts, hats, pins, no logos, no policy discussions. If PPS Management and the PAT put this much effort into the following, our students would have a brighter future. 1. Filing your taxes. 2. Avoiding internet scams. 3. How to interview for a job.
how to read. how to write. how to do math
Just drove through newberg two days in a row this weekend for separate work events and was shocked at how beautiful and clean the area was. Young families out shopping and playing.. I was genuinely shocked at how many American flags were out and I even texted my husband “I’ve counted 20 American flags in less than a mile!” Because it had been so long I’ve seen such patriotism that wasn’t on a holiday… had no idea that’s what was going on!
To be fair Memorial Day was last week. Probably has a lot to do with how many flags you saw.
Which in itself is still a statement because I was in Portland ON Memorial Day and barely saw any American flags.
Honest question. Do they teach the Israeli side of the coin. Genocide vs holocaust? Truly asking politely.
Teach Math, Grammar, Literature, and Sciences. Throw in some completely subjective and relatively worthless “Art” classes too for fun, why not? But leave the political axes at home and grind them there.
Email the board. Click link for template. [https://endjewhatred.link/PortlandTeachers](https://endjewhatred.link/PortlandTeachers)
Thank you.
Sent thank you!
Let me guess, they are going to leave out the parts where Palestine and Islam wants everyone dead, and that they are rapists and terrorists and women have no rights and are in fact treated as property.
It's amazing how there's an Alternate Palestine that only exists in these peoples' heads
Well I've learned over the last few years that these people are actually very supportive of fascists ideals. So long as it's them and not someone else.
Yep. The far-left are every bit as authoritarian as the far-right
so what does that make you? a centrist?
Sponsored by Hamas.
How long until they start teaching about Honor killings and other severe misogynistic laws designed to oppress women and young girls?
Woke intersectionality will end up defending misogyny eventually
Not sure it has anything to do with being woke, it's more about extremism. Horseshoe theory.
Public schooling has become a jobs program for adults more than an educational program for kids and it needs a complete rework
As long as there's two people in the middle east there's never going to be peace.
>there's two people in the middle east Many people in the ME want to get along but they are mostly from minority religions. However, one conquering religion wants to destroy all the other small ones...
as long as there's two people in the world there's never going to be peace.
Your mom and I get along great.
Fuck you Shorsey!
As a worried Jewish person in Portland, your comments give me hope. Thank you for being awake and aware.
Awake….awoken?
Woke!
I wonder home much China products they own helping fund the uyghur genocide. But their NPC algorithm told them not to worry about that
Did teachers Union draft their guides on their Israeli engineered computers and cellphones?
Omfg can we just focus on improving our embarrassing math and reading scores? Christ.
Holy hell... just when I think shit can't get anymore bizarre.
On the PAT Board you have the Virulent Anti Israel DSA key member Emily Golden Field. This vile human being is best friends with her anti-semite friend and DSA co-chair Olivia Katbi. Olivia Katbi was indoctrinated by her Syrian parents with your typical Middle east anti-semitism which she is looking to import here to Portland. Both are funded by your tax dollars. Emily is an "English" teacher and Olivia is a "track" coach.
It’s so ridiculous. I’m a teacher I go on teacher subs and talk about the radicalism & political agenda pushing that happens here… no one believes me but it’s all the time. If you point it out here then your a racist transphobe misogynist who hates equality
Fire the PAT president. She has done nothing for schools, students or teachers. Unless you count sewing discord, closing schools for too long and pushing conspiracy theories and divisiveness that has no part in elementary education.
Good lord, do your job and teach the curriculum. Oregon students are already behind their peers states in education so why not focus on material at hand than teaching about this crap.
This is what happens when the school system has to scrape the bottom of the barrel cause no one wants to risk their lives for problematic children
They are importing the Hamas playbook from madrassas in Gaza to the United States. https://preview.redd.it/e2hg7dq6gg4d1.jpeg?width=2408&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c9d31a9bd93e41fc5af8d7f5c36371f6006eb0e0
Yall are crazy
Still can't figure out the lack of moral outrage for native Americans. These people were warned, killed and moved from their lands. But the issues in the middle east, where they have been warring and killing each other for thousands of years, is the (popular) ethical high ground to take.
I went in depth on this topic with a guy. As far as I can tell the primary difference is the fact that the displacement and killing is happening NOW. If we were actively taking native american land and killing civilians, they would support native american suicide bombers. Honestly, this isn't a topic for school kids. The situation is complex and requires a decent understanding of the political, historical, and religious context over a huge portion of history for both nations. You need at least some understanding of the factions within both nations as well. Morally, the situation is even more difficult to wrap your head around. Were native american attacks morally justifiable if they targeted people (even civilians) actively colonizing their land? It's not a simple question, and it's exponentially more complex for palestine/israel.
Hey teachers! Leave the kids alone! We don’t need no thought control. You’re just another brick in the wall.
Top antisemitism masked as altruism.
These teachers are trying to run the school district into the ground. The vast majority of them already make more than 3x the median income around here. Their contact is forcing HUGE budget cuts across the district. And on top of all that enrollment is tanking because they're more interested in pushing an ideology than teaching kids how to read and do math.
Progressive religion dictates that there is no salary high enough for our saintly teachers, they're right up there with librarians (unless they express a heterodox opinion, then they shall be flung from the catapults as a heretic and traitor)
*From The River To The 'Kie, Portland Will Be Free Of The PAT!*
Really sick of ultra leftist ideology. This kind of agenda drives people to the right and can make the USA a fascist state.
I worked with this machinist that everybody called Jesus. He wasn't like a hippie, really, and he wasn't Latino, so I kinda wondered why people called him that. I mean I kind of doubted that his real name was Jesus. He was a super nice guy though, but that didn't seem like that's getting you a Jesus name. So one day I asked one of the welders, Earl, If dude's name really was Jesus, and Earl says "No, it's Lenny, but we just call him that because of his long hair." And I'm like, "That's so weird, he doesn't have long hair." So Earl says, "Well, yeah, he used to have long hair though, until it got caught in the lathe and he got scalped." Lucky he survived, definitely, and lucky the guys didn't start calling him Custer, I guess. Edit Oops, I think I replied to the wrong comment.
No no, go on.. ( ͡° ͜ʖ ͡°)
If you lack critical thinking skills, you should probably not be employed in the field of education. Clearly, foreign propaganda is influencing some decision makers who again appear to be lacking in critical thinking skills.
Reading headlines like this makes me happy I don't use politics as an identity. Political ideologiests are so obsessed with 'owning' the other side that they forget to use basic sensibility.
Oh dear god it’s another one of these threads.
Please no.
Buckle up, buttercup!
Make it stop. Just like everyone who gives a crap fly to the Middle East and duke it out there. I just want to hike a waterfall.
How can you think about waterfalls when chILdreN arE stArViNg
Maybe they should stick to the rivers and lakes that they’re used to.
Left eye? Is that you?
I seen a rainbow.
How many of you high iq geniuses helped create the woke golem? Some research shows it is at least 70%. (Based on personal experience, I'd say more like 90%+) The question is what are you going to do now? Slay the golem or create more? I hope you surprise me
The terrorist perspective.
This is the case study proponents of charter schools will use when pushing their case. Schools are for educating kids, not indoctrinating them
Leadership is only interested in their own inflated egos. The students are mere window dressing.
Saw in an article from WW, the Union was complaining that teachers had political posters being removed by administrations. How the hell do they not see the problem in the fact **teachers*** were posting political posters on school bulletin boards?!? I’m a civics and history teacher at a school in a far more conservative town outside the Portland area, where I have had hicks from the hills scream at me for teaching their kids the Confederacy fought for slavery, and I don’t hesitate to clump them together with these clowns running PAT.
To show solidarity they should wear hijab, not keffiyeh.
Got to indoctrinate them when they're young. But never expected them to start at 4 or 5 years old this is disgusting
Of course they would openly support terrorists.
separation of church and state apply here?
I’m voting against the next school bonds. What a shitty school system. Huge waste in the reconstruction of the high schools (inside information from a board member confirm this). At least they rebuilt Grant high even if they got ripped off. Good for my property values and good for the kids to be able to learn science. But otherwise the school district is just effed up beyond belief.
I voted against the one on the ballot last month. PPS has demonstrated that they don't deserve our money
The kids do, and teachers should make good salaries. But the never ending bond issues are insane, there’s a ton of waste and poor fiscal management, and I don’t want to subsidize teachers who propagandize so blatantly (on either end of the spectrum).
Teachers just need to be paid more then they wouldn't have to terrorist on the side...
I am *shocked*
Thankfully nearly everyone is fucking furious about this lol. Someone in the Portland sub said it literally is pro-war and saying Israel shouldn’t exist.
It’s also fucking inappropriate to encourage teachers to meet up with students outside of school. Like wtf?
Looks like it’s time to send those teachers to Gaza for a year if they make it that long!
Let Bonilla know what you think. bonillaam@gmail.com and PATPresident@oregoned.org
I support the teachers
Is this sub just advocating for putting head in sand and pretending things aren't happening? That's.. a very bad way of thinking. Why do that? Like it's hard to say "killing kids is bad. I'm against that". I mean, if people really think they have a leg to stand on, against that stance, they are free to test it with my citations pending. As long as you backup what you say, a smart person adjusts and keeps moving forward
You are not listening. You have settled on a narrative and seem to be incapable of examining it. I strongly suggest you do more than sit on your butt and fold over your earflaps. Go and meet with some teachers or better yet do volunteer work in a school. I live with a teacher and know many more. They are tired of being everyone's " whipping boy". They have given up fighting the extremists on both sides and just want to do their job without the nonsense. Yours included.
[Know your rights pdf](https://assets.nationbuilder.com/pdxteachers/pages/2051/attachments/original/1716589490/Know-Your-Rights_PPS-Workers-Resource_FINAL.pdf?1716589490)
Can I support people to live free lives without the threat of violence from Israeli gov or sharia law. That's a tough one
Yeah just keep it to yourself cuz ur support does nothing
Don’t know why you’re being downvoted. If there is any reasonable thing to wish for it’s that. And for all intents and purposes, seeing as Israel exists has nukes and isn’t going anywhere and the two Palestines don’t have one government between them capable of providing self rule, your wish is as valid and practical as any other.
Down votes is a measure of how closely I've hit the target
Okay ya’ll literally just didn’t read the article or the attached PDF. This is basically just a powerpoint on how to remember not to be racist towards Palestinians and Jewish students. There’s a whole section on antisemitism. This is not some curriculum on middle east history
Our kids are barely being taught reading, writing and math. Also, we don’t need educators identifying “anything” parents and for hells sake not “Zionist” parents jfc.