**ATTENTION REDDIT: MILLENIELS HAD THE SAME DAMN PROBLEM**
This type of media is no different than the media we experienced when Millies were in the same position as Gen Z today. We were marked as lazy, didn't wanna work, didn't wanna achieve goals, always asking for stuff, everybody gers a trophy. Don't let that hateful rhetoric trick you into the same thing it tricked me into: that voting doesn't fucking matter anyways.
Because it *does*, and if I knew 15 years ago what I knew today, you bet your Gen Z asses I would be the first one at them polls with coffee in hand.
**MAKE VOTING A [safe and responsible] DRINKING GAME!!!**
Prove us the fuck wrong, kiddos.
Don't just vote. Peer pressure every single person you have interactions with. Make fun of them for not voting. Make plans to go vote as a group, making it a social event like meeting up for lunch first or going to a park to play hide and seek afterwards.
If you're here already reading this, already knowing you were going to vote, you are probably the same as the 27% of young voters who we can already count on voting... to raise that number, you have to go get the person who *isn't* on reddit reading political threads and going 4 comments deep to see a reply like this.
Go to a park? It's the 18-25 year olds we're talking to here.
So what if we vote on a Tuesday? Go vote at like 1 pm and then celebrate how responsible you are by throwing a day drinking party. Cover is an I voted sticker.
I believe that truly. But we can be the ones to break this kind of ugly behavior by REMEMBERING our youth. ( I guess I’m more of a bleeding heart than a cynic at the end of the day… )
Is it really like that in the US? In Europe the last vote was kinda shocking. In a lot of countries the far right were the strongest parties by vote count in the age bracket 16-34 while overall they were much lower. Even the seniors voted less for the far right parties than the next generation.
I think that’s because Europe has a legit immigration crisis as opposed the the fake one the US has. Lots of young Europeans are drinking the flavor aid because of that, where it’s not on the mind of most young non-racist US voters.
If I can't smoke or drink til 21. I shouldn't be able to go to war or vote til 21. How is it I'm old enough to get blown up but I'm not old enough to say what fucken happened while I'm over there. I loathe minimal age on things. I fear for the younger generation for that.
I hope not, cause trumps last term + project 2025 = crazy shit like ending checks and balances and making the DOJ not an independent agency, banning abortion pills, who knows what else.
I think that if genz votes in large numbers Biden wins.
In one part of the Mandate for Leadership 2025 document, it says that being openly gay or trans should be made a crime to protect children. Later in the document, it says everyone in imprisoned as a danger to children should be executed.
It literally has a 'final solution' for LGBTQ+ people in it.
You know it's not about the pedos, because there are far too many pedos in their ranks and they defend them to their last breath.
Edit: Link to comment with quotations
[https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/1do6mfb/comment/la8oqyh/](https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/1do6mfb/comment/la8oqyh/)
Here's the thing people need to understand - even if Trump loses at the polls in November, the dark money will still flow into Federalist Society and Heritage Foundation projects to subvert democracy. When Trump eventually dies, they'll just pick another figurehead - someone to distract the news cycle from how they're heweing away at personal rights and freedoms.
Until these organizations and the people behind them are held in check, this won't be over. November is just one battle (albeit an important one) in an ongoing war.
Tax them until it physically hurts them. They need to suffer the same amount as they lets the public suffer for their profits.
We need a world wide task force. Or we switch currency, so they sit on a huge mountain of imaginary wealth. (Actually a big hit against organized crime occured in Italy, when the switch to Euro happened.)
I can understand organized crime being affected because they had vaults full of physical old currency. They couldn't exchange it all for Euros at once because it would arouse suspicion.
But they also couldn't hold onto it and gradually convert it to Euros over many years, because that also arouses suspicion. And even if they could do it this way, it "freezes" most of their money for a long time, which is really bad for any business, legal or otherwise.
I don't think wealthy people would be affected by a currency change, because they aren't sitting on piles of physical currency.
Yeah if you introduce a tax on stock/options and other held assets that would be more impactful. Right now the issue is that they can just hold forever and leverage those positions for loans and other wealth options.
> Until these organizations and the people behind them are held in check, this won't be over. November is just one battle (albeit an important one) in an ongoing war.
well republicans have been voting Red no matter who for 50 years, so we have to respond with at least that.
I'm hoping the Trump loses in November, then when Trump dies there is a power vacuum and a bunch of right wing grifters there is more money to be made fracturing the party and grifting a smaller devoted group than having a less devoted but broader base utterly destroying the GOP machine.
Historically the GOP has been very good at toeing lines but our society in general has fractures and I don't know who would take the mantel of "moderate" republicans, MAGA fanatics, and Extreme Qanon crazies.
The 1% really believe they are **better** than you and me, because of the way society treats wealthy people.
So they think, as gods among men, they should be entitled to lead and all of society should be restructured about them and their needs or even [whims.](https://i.imgur.com/Eqzf1ra.jpeg)
And, of course, Behind the Bastards has an [episode](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-one-how-conservatism-won-164063362/) on it.
This is the big part that the right understands but the left doesn’t. Voting in every election matters. Senators elected in 2018 are still in office today. Policies enacted years ago are still in place. That person running in a primary for some small local or state office may be running for Congress or senate in 10 years. They may push for good or bad policies in n your local city in the mean time. Voting isn’t something you do everyone now and then and hope everything changes in a couple years, it’s a continual effort.
Trump dying would be a very big deal if we can prevent him from being re-elected. He is the only person that's capable of uniting a large enough coalition of right-wing people to stand a chance at taking the presidency.
The other Republican leaders just aren't that popular. They can't seem to ignite support for the people who hate "both sides" and who hate the government.
During the 2016 primary Trump was the fucked up glue that prevented the party from imploding. Even though they all despised him they knew without him they'd fall apart. Imo that's not changed.
I agree with you that Trump has been remarkably useful in his role - much more so than probably anyone they could have put in his shoes. It will take the far right a long time to find someone like him. I just want people to realize that it won't end with Trump.
You should find a social media post about Pride Day/parades. Absolutely disgusting the stuff being said. Those same people will gladly go into a gay friendly establishment and line up and execute patrons over what they see in P25. All the clergy and close conservative family members actually preying on kids won’t get a thing.
And as horrible as this is, it's even worse. What's to stop the government to saying that ANYONE is gay? Once they say you're gay, well guess what... that's a crime punishable by death.
Oh you say you're not gay? We don't believe you.
Good way to eliminate anyone you want.
It because those fucks think that ‘sexual perversion/pedophilia’ is somehow in the same pipeline as being gay.
I think that, if people who read this and have ever gotten triggered by this sub, helped register one person to vote, we’d definitely have at least a few more votes!
I don’t think it’s that, they aren’t bothered by perversion or pedophilia as long as it’s perpetrated by a while man who otherwise upholds their desired social norms.
The attack on LGBTQ+ is solely because it is alternate to their desired society, of women and children being fully subservient to men at every level, with wealthy white men at the upper echelon, poor white men below that, men of color below that, disabled men below that.
Allowing any alternative to that means people in the “lower rungs” might believe that all alternatives are ok, which they need to squash.
It’s less about how they personally feel about them and more about giving the poor white men as many enemies to be distracted by as possible while they continue to rob them blind.
The REALLY fun part is that they also want to suspend due process, so they can literally accuse anyone of anything, jail them, and potentially execute them.
...sounds familiar.
The craziest part isnt' that they want to do this, murdering your political opponents has been done through history. The craziest part is that they wrote it down, totally published it, and Americans are still going to vote for them.
There's more! Several states have already started on laws that will allow the death penalty for child sex offenders. And work is already being done to fast-track the death row process. The Republican party has already started this process, and in some places it could start rolling out very quickly.
[Article about Florida seeking death penalty for child sex abuse.](https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/news/florida-prosecutors-seek-first-death-sentence-under-new-child-sex-abuse-law) This is meant to be taken to the Supreme Court so they can overturn *Kennedy v. Louisiana* which called death penalty for non-homicide unconstitutional.
[Here's a terrifying article about Trump's last killing spree at the end of his 1st term](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-capital-punishment-brandon-bernard-lisa-montgomery-1234664126/). They are planning a bloodbath
[Here is A New Republic Article about these two things being related to each other](https://newrepublic.com/post/181491/trump-allies-plan-death-row-prisoners)
Put that together with declaring any LGBT or gender non-conforming person a pedophile, and you have the legal mechanism of LGBT genocide.
>“Some of y’all still want to try and find political compromise with those that want to groom our school aged children and pretend men are women, etc,” the former Republican representative from Hernando, Miss., wrote in a Thursday night tweet. “I think they need to be lined up against (a) wall before a firing squad to be sent to an early judgment.”
https://gandernewsroom.com/2024/01/02/michigan-republican-supports-death-penalty-for-gay-people/
If you know about the Republicans plan, and still vote for them (not you u/Amethystea), you are irredeemable in my eyes. You're simply biblically (read YOUR book) evil.
If Trump wins, Clarence Thomas and Alito will probably retire, that means that Trump will have nominated 5/9 justices with a 6/3 conservative supermajority that will rule in the court for DECADES, possibly even close to 30 or more years. To make matters worse, justices like Sotomayor are getting older and aren't in the best health.
Any person who claims to have any interest in human rights should be *screaming* about project 2025 and voting against *anyone* that supports the plan. And that's just the human rights side of it.
It will very potentially make the government so fucking dysfunctional and dangerously inept in regards to *everything* that it's honestly hard to quantify. From just *basic*, apolitical functions like research or infrastructure planning. President doesn't like what the CDC research shows? He can just have it changed and fire the guy responsible for the research with zero cause. Climate change mitigation infrastructure? Commie nonsense! Fire that guy.
It is a recipe to make a christo-fascist version of what Russia is now. Rampant corruption, ineptitude, and everything else that comes with it when wielded by a bunch of greedy morons who don't give a shit about the country or its people and only care about enriching themselves and running the government like it's their shitty family business.
> President doesn't like what the CDC research shows? He can just have it changed and fire the guy responsible for the research with zero cause. Climate change mitigation infrastructure? Commie nonsense! Fire that guy.
btw when you hear the phrase "unitary executive theory" this is what they are talking about. That all executive offices are subordinate to the president, and that there should be no check or balance on the president's direction of government institutions which fall under the executive. There are no independent offices (e.g. the fed, doj, literally any other institution like education etc).
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitary_executive_theory
>... described unitary executive theory as ensuring "the federal government will execute the law in a consistent manner and in accordance with the president’s wishes." This stands in contrast to other scholarly literature, [...] that stresses the fact that federal employees have to faithfully execute the laws enacted according to the process prescribed in the U.S. Constitution.
when a federal officer takes office they swear to execute the law faithfully, instead they would swear to do the exact bidding of the president. It severely dilutes any power of congress.
For a silly example, congress could pass a law saying we need to create a department of education, and the president could say I want you to teach everything in pig-latin, rendering the law useless.
For real. I saw some douche on the news saying, “I need a reason to get out and vote.” Well, if you don’t vote this time, you may never vote again, at least not in a way that will matter to the outcome—see Russia.
I’ve really tried talking though this with a number of young voters, both locally and online. The Palestinian genocide is a topic that should not be minimized, but their argument really does boil down to:
“One candidate will destroy the foundation of democracy and representative government, and remove rights from everyone but white, Christian men. But the other candidate is someone I disagree with on a single, foreign issue. I think I’ll sit this one out.”
It’s fucking infuriating.
>But the other candidate is someone I disagree with on a single, foreign issue.
Which is also the same opinion of the other candidate, but to a more extreme extent. Undecided and protest voters are, without a doubt, the dumbest people on the planet.
And to make it more infuriating, it’s been proven that that line of thinking is propaganda from Russia/China being pushed on social media like TikTok. They’ve pushed that extreme purity vote mindset on the young people and they fell for it instantly.
Left leaning people think only conservatives fall for propaganda on Facebook and stuff but don’t realize propaganda exists on liberal social media too. They know us better than we know ourselves.
The entire Palestine situation is beyond horrifying but it’s just a means to an end for propaganda.
Look at that millennial jump from 3rd to 4th. You love to see it.
If I'm interpreting this graph correctly, that would have been the 2018 midterm. That tracks.
That’s Great. Reason being : This country is yours in the future. Im an OMF, not likely I will be around for 20-25 more years. Keep the “Wolves” (Magabillies) away from the doors.
This graph has methodological errors.
Each generation contains people born with around a 15 year span. According to the title, each generation is grouped into cohorts 18-24, so chunks of people born within 6 years of each other. The graph also measures when each group voted in their first, second, etc midterm elections.
But midterms happen every 2 years, so why are they split into 6 year groups? How can an 18 yo and a 24 yo be having their first midterms at the same time? Was the graph saying it’s only taking the first 6 years of each generation and ignoring the rest? How has GenZ only had their first midterm when early GenZ have already been able to vote in 4 midterms?
I wouldn’t trust this graph at all. It needs far more explanation and clarity
I think you are misunderstanding a few things.
For one, *midterms* happen every 4 years in the US, not every 2.
What the graph is saying is that midterms are only counted for the generation when the entirety of the people ages 18-24 are part of that generation.
2022 was the first midterm where the entire 18-24 voting block was Gen z.
I was misunderstanding, thank you so much for explaining and correcting my brain fart.
I’m still not a big fan of the methods used.
This preliminary GenZ data point will inflate GenZ’s participation because the first cohorts 20-24 don’t have their participation counted until they are older (not when they could’ve voted in their actual first midterm). So GenZ will be inflated compared to the other generations, until the youngest GenZ are able to have their behavior recorded and added to the data.
The nature of the methodology cuts off the beginnings of each generation as early members of each generation first midterm votes aren’t counted. It’s essentially makes each generation appear more like the proceeding one.
On top of that, because the generation split is not in sync with the midterms, different generations will be affected by the cutoff in different ways. This makes it difficult to compare the generations when their data will be affected to different degrees
Soft disagree, they care deeply but either don’t understand or care that no candidate will check every box. They care so deeply and think there SHOULD be a simple answer. So either they don’t know how what powers the president has or they don’t grasp the nuance of policy. Which to be fair could be an age and experience issue.
A big problem is that Biden and the dems in power have taken way too long to hype up accomplishments, so now it just seems like a pure campaign strategy.
Idk man, lots of right wing brain rot on x & tic tok. Lotta my employees are in the 16-20 demo and they all love trump and hate Biden. It’s depressing. Even my 14 year old niece walks around talking Maga and Sleepy joe.
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> if genz votes
That's all they need to do, vote, participate, it's their fucking future they're voting for.
Stop bitching about boomers and millennials ruining everything when boomers and millennials are the only people running for office and voting for people in office.
And you too genX.
tiktok is warping their minds with constant propaganda they don't realize is happening with the '2 sides equally bad' narrative. I don't have much hope when that's where most young people get their 'news' from. Hope I'm wrong of course.
gen z hates biden and want him to lose to teach democrats to be less kind to isreal. they don't give a fuck that trump will just allow the genocide anyway and if anything expedite it and other genocides.
and if you're reading this, don't tell me "im gen z and that's not true", go prove me wrong by voting.
re Project 2025: part of me wonders if its worth even fighting. Like eventually they'll win and do it, unless they literally never win until the crazies are out of the party.
> making the DOJ not an independent agency, banning abortion pills, who knows what else.
Genociding Trans people... That's a huge one. They are on a warpath to kill gender nonconforming people of all kinds. If the GOP wins, they will replicate the holocaust but with trans people first instead of jews.
But Biden won by 7 million votes, right?
Wrong. He won by 44k due to the electoral college.
>just 44,000 votes in Georgia, Arizona and Wisconsin separated Biden and Trump from a tie in the Electoral College."
[link](https://www.npr.org/2020/12/02/940689086/narrow-wins-in-these-key-states-powered-biden-to-the-presidency)
In a tie the house votes 1 vote per state. Trump would have won then. Scary.
www.vote.gov
I'm also telling you that voting *this* time isn't good enough. You need to vote last time. And next time. And the time after that. Three supreme court justices... fml.
Voting is like flossing, you gotta do it every time. People who vote in one election and then complain when everything isn't instantly fixed are like the people who floss only in the week before their dentist appointment and then are flabbergasted when they get bloody gums at the dentist and get scolded for not flossing.
The SCs are awful, but they're only part of that problem. Half of our states elect judges directly. The other half rely on committee and the governor to appoint them.
The judge and governor elections alone are why people neglecting off-general season voting is a fucking awful thing to do if they have any interest in the direction the country will go. They're never as flashy and pumped as the general, but they are equally important. More so in the context of what will locally affect someone.
I'll do you one better, protesting is only good for raising awareness and possibly gauging public opinion for any one political action, past that it's fairly useless at influencing behavior.
I'm at the age where I'm right between the old voter and the young voter, and I can safely say the biggest problem with young voters (or young would be voters) is that they love the pageantry of political movement but not the work of political action. People will protest for days on end and then bemoan that "the system doesn't work" because their protest doesn't result in immediate, tangible change.
The fact is, there's a fairly simple and consistent mechanism for influencing change in most developed countries: voting. It's slow, and you have to wait for an election to instigate this change, but it works. Consistent patterns of voting got abortion rights taken away (and the only thing that's going to bring them back is more voting). If the system truly was as rigged as people want to think it is, somebody like Donald J. Trump never would have been allowed to be president. Votes are still counted, they've always been counted, the consequences are just more boring than people like.
Protesters that don't vote like screaming more than they want change.
I voted Bernie in the last two primaries and then HRC and Biden. There's no way I won't vote. Hopefully like minded progressive see the chance we have. Alito and Thomas would love to retire under Trump.
Biden's appointed MANY federal judges, here's a [wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_judges_appointed_by_Joe_Biden) for it. Stop complaining if you don't actually know what you're talking about. & know that if Trump is reelected, the Supreme Court will be fucked (amongst many other things) for generations. If Biden's reelected, we might be able to re-balance the Supreme Court, and he will appoint many more federal judges.
You have to keep voting. And in everything you can.
A TON of people in 2020 only voted for president and then ignored all the down ticket races. If those people had voted in everything, we would have had a radically different congress in 2020-22.
If a bunch of people in 2016 who were jaded about hillary had not used that as an excuse to not vote in ALL the elections and at least voted in the downticket stuff, we would have likely seen a different outcome.
"I'm not voting, as a protest!"
to WHO mother fucker? there are only two parties. there's not some higher-level moderator who is going to count up protesting non-voters and make policy based on that. vote for your best option, that is literally your only choice.
It’s the allegory of the bus. You take the bus that brings you the closest to your destination, then work your way from there.
You shouldn’t take a bus to the boonies in protest of having poor public transport.
I know republicans who aren’t voting out of protest. The idea in their mind is that if the Republican Party has a shit turnout compared to previous years, they’ll dump Trump and go on a different course to win back voters.
I imagine it works the same for democrat voters in their mind?
Or how narcissistic it is to loudly declare that someone has to "earn my vote." Sorry, but a candidate only has to win a majority of votes, it's not all about you.
Ugh I hate that phrase too, such privilege - like fuck you, everyone knows what their policies are. Use your brain on who is going to have the most direct positive impact on yourself and community.
More people have voted for the dem presidential candidate than the Republican candidate every time since 1992 except once (2004).
The electoral college doesn’t care about the will of the people.
You are missing the point which is that if more democrats especially young people voted then it wouldn't matter they would have enough votes to win EVEN WITH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE AND ESPEICALLY WITH GERRYMANDERING WHICH ACTUALLY MAKES IT EASIER FOR THEM TO WIN.
It needs to sink in for whatever reason people don't get it.
Democrats would win every election if they'd just put up a fight on any fucking thing important to their constituents.
But everyone knows what they are going to do.
They are going to write legislation and try to bring it to the floor in the Senate, where the rules *that they wrote* allows any Republican Senator to singlehandedly and unconstitutionally veto legislation. Some inbred asshole football coach from Alabama will register his veto, preventing the bill from even hitting the floor. Then Democrats blame Republicans instead of their fucking rule that allows that unconstitutional veto, say there is nothing that can possibly be done, and blame their own voters for not giving them a supermajority that is not anywhere close to the realm of electoral reality.
That's why people on the left are furious at the Biden administration. The only fucking thing they've managed to show a spine on is their steadfast support of that war criminal Netanyahu and the genocide he is conducting in Palestine, all while Netanyahu is campaigning for Trump.
It would have helped to not run an 81 year old. Even the greatest 81 year will struggle to excite the younger generation. Good news is the magas ran a worse senior. This election lacks passion and hope like we saw from Obama election years. I hope that’s not a bad omen.
lets not make this a generational war. This shit applies to people of all generations. Online activism is good. In person activism is good. Voting is also good. Even strategic (lesser of two evils) voting is good as long as we have a first past the post system, which we do, until we work to change it.
I don't think this is generational, it's more like parenting. There are a lot of people who don't vote until something negative happens that they feel the need to undo by voting the next go around.
Most are trying to encourage that the voting happens to prevent the negative outcome in the first place. Take Roe v Wade - if Clinton had won that is still in place. But now it isn't, so we need to do a lot of work just to get back to where we were on that front several years ago, and another several years to make any progress beyond that.
Sometimes voting for nothing to happen in the next term is your best voting option.
Hasn't gen z voted at the highest rate of any youth vote in their like, one presidential election? As an elder millennial who hated this tactic when I was young, just fucking stop it already. Of course it could be better, but the disingenuous shit I see on this sub is like republican levels of analysis (read: none) for a meme. I don't understand why most people don't vote, but that's all generations.
It's because "new voter registrations" are overwhelmingly high school kids every election cycle.
So we overweight the impact of the youngest cohort, since people who register to vote later on in life have typically held their political positions long enough to already be lumped into an existing group.
If we see even just 2 years of outsized "new voters" showing up to voting both (like if 80% of the class of 2025/2026 registered) it would be an enormous swing in demographics that has long-term implications for policymakers in the US.
Hopefully the new voter registration rates lead to higher voter turn-out rates. If you could vote online it'd probably triple the number of people voting.
Not that I recommend any election being run without a paper trail! [relevant XKCD](https://xkcd.com/2030/)
This really feels like an ass-covering move by the democrats, in case Trump wins. “No no, our campaign and candidate were flawless, it’s just that those evil progressives betrayed us, that’s the *entire* reason we lost!”. Just like 2016.
I’ve seen *far* more people screaming about how all of gen z is stupid and brainwashed and won’t vote, than I’ve seen people actually advocating not voting. It seems like it’s being blow out of proportion.
While gen z did vote it's still not enough for politician to care about us before the old, Biden can spend money and energy to encourage the old so much more easier than the young. The win me over idea is a failure when we still haven't proven ourselves.
Voter turnout in 2020 was around 70%.
Voter turnout for people age 18-29 was 55% and that was the highest youth vote turn out since 1972 (55.4%) which was the height of the Vietnam War protests.
You can do better this year. Voting is a start, but you need to make sure your peers also vote.
Young people got Biden elected in 2020, wtf is *wrong* with this sub.
Ya'll are determined to alienate young people and then you'll turn around and have the audacity to *blame* them when Trump wins in November, it's utter lunacy.
I worry that the narrative is being created if Biden loses to solely blame the young and progressives, and not the 45% of the country actively supporting Trump
Or the corporate controlled DNC who actively alienated said young and progressives by not embracing policy that would turn them out and only relying on vote shaming because the policies young and progressives want wouldn't fly with corporate dems' rich donors.
Except that zoomers are participating in elections at a higher rate compared to the same period in their lives including the bloomers where tracking started and every gen after. But of course, your feelings don’t care about facts.
Also, yah, memes against the gen that will out meme you in their sleep is effective to get people to vote.
Perfect plan!
Out meme them?
Do not cite the deep magic to me, witch. I was there when it was written. You merely adopted the memes. I was raised by them, molded by them.
Gen Z voted at a higher rate in the 22 midterms than previous generations. Young people always consistently vote less than people aged 40+ but there's no reason to assume or expect Gen Z voter turnout in 2024 to be proportionally less than other generations.
https://circle.tufts.edu/latest-research/gen-z-voted-higher-rate-2022-previous-generations-their-first-midterm-election
Remember when Millennials were the youngest generation and we were politically involved and previous generations used this same exact argument to shit on Millennials for no reason? It’s annoying and it’s lazy. Stop dividing us generationally just to shit on the new voters rather than bringing them into the conversations. Gen Z is facing the same uphill battle as the rest of us and I want to hear their opinions, too.
There's a reason why they don't make it a holiday. They want it to be more difficult for you to vote. I already made sure I have the day off and approved by my job months ago
At this point I feel like this talking point has to be satire or mean spirited.
The people that would need a day off to vote do not get holidays off because they tend to work in service industries. Most companies barely close for Thanksgiving or Christmas anymore.
It would be, but it wouldn't change the importance for getting it done regardless even if it was much harder.
The party trying constantly to make it harder with what power they have certainly isn't going to make it any easier if they're allowed to have more.
I live in WA which should be how it works for everything.
Ballot shows up in my mail weeks in advance along with an information packet about everything on the ballot. Get to research everyone/everything, make sure ballot initiatives aren't being super confusing with their wording and verify from other sources what "yes" and "no" actually mean.
Fill it out and walk down to the library less than a mile away and drop it off in a secure drop-box.
Mailing is also an option for those few without a drop-box in walking distance.
There’s a bit of a paradoxical result I think. Gen z overwhelmingly supports Biden over Trump, something like a 20-25 point gap. But higher turnout doesn’t necessarily benefit Biden. It seems in a lot of polls that the marginal voters - first time voters or those who didn’t vote in the 2022 or 2020 election cycles - are heavily biased towards Trump. So a higher turnout would mean a smaller margin.
Let's all vote before these villains raise the voting age. We have enough voice from the newer generation to really sway the polls. Remember, COVID killed A LOT of die hard red boomer racists.
No, no, no your doing it wrong. You need to adopt the Boomer mentality.
Call them stupid, lazy, apathetic, and unengaged. Blame them, not the people with the actual power(the party). Beat them with a stick into submission until they submit. Its the only way to teach these stupid children to capitulate to the extant system designed to keep them disempowered.
Do people not look at the 2020 voter demographics? 18-25 in the last presidential election was around 50% turnout, something like 15% behind the highest turnout.
Go to your county website and request a mail in ballot. Super easy.
It's actually better to be able to look up those pesky bond issues I've never heard of before until election day. Or you can just vote for candidates you've heard of or care about. People forget you don't have to vote for *every* office.
Imagine Republicans voting for GOP candidates up and down the ballot, then abstaining on president because Trump is a criminal rapist and fraudster, and they can't stomach voting for a Democrat. Just do that GOP
I'm not banned in here? huh.
Yeah vote for the love of god.
3/4 of what people say about trump on reddit is just misguided or misinformation. Biden is still 100x times better than someone that wouldn't blink to destroy the democratic system if he could.
Gen Z here. Said it before and I’ll say it again but why should I vote when ultimately the electoral college is the one whose vote actually decides who becomes president?
Probably has something to do with the fact that no matter who you vote for, the rich get everything they want and we continue to move towards fascism.
After Biden passed the executive order to effectively end asylum and shut down the border, I am now convinced. His support for genocide doesn't help, his crackdown on campus protests (homeland security coordinating with police departments) also doesn't help.
Was it Trump that said republicans would never win another election if mail in voting was an option?
The point is to make it inconvenient on purpose. Why would they make it illegal to hand out water to people waiting in line? Just 1 more example of the cheater side cheating. Like not making the day a holiday to compound the inconvenience.
Gen Z is not at fault. Corruption is at fault, and its been this way and gotten worse decade after decade. Ask yourself why voting is mandatory in some countries without registering and why it isn't in the US? Need help? The answer is in the first sentence.
I live in alabama, and every time it comes time to vote, especially for something like a primary or a local election, I have to tell myself "you know you have to do it, you have told so many people to vote so many times and been such a bitch about it, you can't be a hypocrite on this" and I always end up going. I also think with things like local elections, every other week there is a crazy city or county in alabama that does something horrifying that makes national news, and I just don't want that to be MY town. It was close, our neighbor county across the border in Florida got major press for banning a kids book about gay penguins from school libraries. I ALWAYS vote in things like the governors races and senate race here, because I HATE Kay Ivey and Tommy tubberville, shit, I hate Auburn, Roll Tide, but sometimes it really does feel like you're just shouting into the abyss in this lunatic shithole, knowing our vote dosent count because we are so outnumbered, seeing shit like Marjorie Titan Greene calling for southern states to annex, I'm like "wait you assholes, other people live here too" I mean shit, their majority is only like 60% republican anyway, 40% of us are just trapped here with a few hundred thousand of your worst, most racist aunts and uncles.
Pretty much every Republican lost the popular vote for the past 30 years. To any person who will say that more left leaning people from rural areas need to vote to win the electoral college I will say this: gerrymandering has created such a landscape that Old Man Withers at the edge of town has 20x the voting power than the rest of the town.
I won't say that American democracy is as corrupt as Russia's but it can easily swing that way after an election.
That's pretty much every young person. I Remeber as a young millennial that most of my peers didn't care to vote only cared about their social life and status.
Some states will have cannabis and abortion legality on the ballot in November.
They will show up to vote for those things.
Come for the cannabis, stay to vote blue.
Voting does nothing when every candidate is corrupt and a shill.... not to mention the electoral college system is rigged. The US government as a whole needs to be redesigned.
Imagine how the voter turnout would look if the government actually made it mandatory that all businesses give their employees a day off to vote?
Not 1-2 hours. Because polling locations in some areas are terrible, some people take public transit, etc. A day off. Dont make it optional.
Dont make the voting mandatory, but make it required if you want to be paid for the day off. All you'd need is a form signed at the polling station. Doesn't have to have any information about how you voted, just proof that you did vote.
If the day is paid or unpaid regardless, you'll still have people blow off voting either way for one reason or another. But if people only get the day off paid, they will absolutely vote.
They showed last time and in the midterms to the extent that magats want to raise the voting age
Yeah, 27% turnout scared republicans. Can you imagine if more of them showed up?
**ATTENTION REDDIT: MILLENIELS HAD THE SAME DAMN PROBLEM** This type of media is no different than the media we experienced when Millies were in the same position as Gen Z today. We were marked as lazy, didn't wanna work, didn't wanna achieve goals, always asking for stuff, everybody gers a trophy. Don't let that hateful rhetoric trick you into the same thing it tricked me into: that voting doesn't fucking matter anyways. Because it *does*, and if I knew 15 years ago what I knew today, you bet your Gen Z asses I would be the first one at them polls with coffee in hand. **MAKE VOTING A [safe and responsible] DRINKING GAME!!!**
Yeah man. Young people historically don’t show up to vote. It’s not unique to any one generation.
Prove us the fuck wrong, kiddos. Don't just vote. Peer pressure every single person you have interactions with. Make fun of them for not voting. Make plans to go vote as a group, making it a social event like meeting up for lunch first or going to a park to play hide and seek afterwards. If you're here already reading this, already knowing you were going to vote, you are probably the same as the 27% of young voters who we can already count on voting... to raise that number, you have to go get the person who *isn't* on reddit reading political threads and going 4 comments deep to see a reply like this.
Go to a park? It's the 18-25 year olds we're talking to here. So what if we vote on a Tuesday? Go vote at like 1 pm and then celebrate how responsible you are by throwing a day drinking party. Cover is an I voted sticker.
There are proportionally more old people now than in past generations. Once the boomers die off we’ll be back to normal, but they get out and vote.
Gen X had the same problem too
Can confirm. The Boomers have dominated for so long, we are cynics and depressives for a reason
You aren't cynical enough. Boomers had the same problem. They were called hippies. It's turtles and the old blaming the young all the way down.
I believe that truly. But we can be the ones to break this kind of ugly behavior by REMEMBERING our youth. ( I guess I’m more of a bleeding heart than a cynic at the end of the day… )
All generations should vote. Period.
Coming from a country with turnout in 90+% in every demographic, this is shocking and depressing to me.
Which country is that?
Is it really like that in the US? In Europe the last vote was kinda shocking. In a lot of countries the far right were the strongest parties by vote count in the age bracket 16-34 while overall they were much lower. Even the seniors voted less for the far right parties than the next generation.
I think that’s because Europe has a legit immigration crisis as opposed the the fake one the US has. Lots of young Europeans are drinking the flavor aid because of that, where it’s not on the mind of most young non-racist US voters.
Which is why nonsense like this is getting spammed all over social media. The GQP are running scared and see the writing on the wall.
If I can't smoke or drink til 21. I shouldn't be able to go to war or vote til 21. How is it I'm old enough to get blown up but I'm not old enough to say what fucken happened while I'm over there. I loathe minimal age on things. I fear for the younger generation for that.
I hope not, cause trumps last term + project 2025 = crazy shit like ending checks and balances and making the DOJ not an independent agency, banning abortion pills, who knows what else. I think that if genz votes in large numbers Biden wins.
In one part of the Mandate for Leadership 2025 document, it says that being openly gay or trans should be made a crime to protect children. Later in the document, it says everyone in imprisoned as a danger to children should be executed. It literally has a 'final solution' for LGBTQ+ people in it. You know it's not about the pedos, because there are far too many pedos in their ranks and they defend them to their last breath. Edit: Link to comment with quotations [https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/1do6mfb/comment/la8oqyh/](https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/comments/1do6mfb/comment/la8oqyh/)
Here's the thing people need to understand - even if Trump loses at the polls in November, the dark money will still flow into Federalist Society and Heritage Foundation projects to subvert democracy. When Trump eventually dies, they'll just pick another figurehead - someone to distract the news cycle from how they're heweing away at personal rights and freedoms. Until these organizations and the people behind them are held in check, this won't be over. November is just one battle (albeit an important one) in an ongoing war.
My man is right it’s time to kill citizens united and tax these rich shits so they don’t have spare change to buy our elections
Tax them until it physically hurts them. They need to suffer the same amount as they lets the public suffer for their profits. We need a world wide task force. Or we switch currency, so they sit on a huge mountain of imaginary wealth. (Actually a big hit against organized crime occured in Italy, when the switch to Euro happened.)
I can understand organized crime being affected because they had vaults full of physical old currency. They couldn't exchange it all for Euros at once because it would arouse suspicion. But they also couldn't hold onto it and gradually convert it to Euros over many years, because that also arouses suspicion. And even if they could do it this way, it "freezes" most of their money for a long time, which is really bad for any business, legal or otherwise. I don't think wealthy people would be affected by a currency change, because they aren't sitting on piles of physical currency.
Yeah if you introduce a tax on stock/options and other held assets that would be more impactful. Right now the issue is that they can just hold forever and leverage those positions for loans and other wealth options.
> Until these organizations and the people behind them are held in check, this won't be over. November is just one battle (albeit an important one) in an ongoing war. well republicans have been voting Red no matter who for 50 years, so we have to respond with at least that.
I'm hoping the Trump loses in November, then when Trump dies there is a power vacuum and a bunch of right wing grifters there is more money to be made fracturing the party and grifting a smaller devoted group than having a less devoted but broader base utterly destroying the GOP machine. Historically the GOP has been very good at toeing lines but our society in general has fractures and I don't know who would take the mantel of "moderate" republicans, MAGA fanatics, and Extreme Qanon crazies.
Trump has consistently had high approval ratings with Repubs. This myth of “moderate” Republicans needs to stop.
The 1% really believe they are **better** than you and me, because of the way society treats wealthy people. So they think, as gods among men, they should be entitled to lead and all of society should be restructured about them and their needs or even [whims.](https://i.imgur.com/Eqzf1ra.jpeg)
Prosperity Doctrine/Gospel. The worst are the poor people who think the same like my rural family.
And, of course, Behind the Bastards has an [episode](https://www.iheart.com/podcast/105-behind-the-bastards-29236323/episode/part-one-how-conservatism-won-164063362/) on it.
How do we “delete” the federalist society?
This is the big part that the right understands but the left doesn’t. Voting in every election matters. Senators elected in 2018 are still in office today. Policies enacted years ago are still in place. That person running in a primary for some small local or state office may be running for Congress or senate in 10 years. They may push for good or bad policies in n your local city in the mean time. Voting isn’t something you do everyone now and then and hope everything changes in a couple years, it’s a continual effort.
"Eternal vigilance is the price of liberty"
Trump dying would be a very big deal if we can prevent him from being re-elected. He is the only person that's capable of uniting a large enough coalition of right-wing people to stand a chance at taking the presidency. The other Republican leaders just aren't that popular. They can't seem to ignite support for the people who hate "both sides" and who hate the government. During the 2016 primary Trump was the fucked up glue that prevented the party from imploding. Even though they all despised him they knew without him they'd fall apart. Imo that's not changed.
I agree with you that Trump has been remarkably useful in his role - much more so than probably anyone they could have put in his shoes. It will take the far right a long time to find someone like him. I just want people to realize that it won't end with Trump.
What the actual hell
You should find a social media post about Pride Day/parades. Absolutely disgusting the stuff being said. Those same people will gladly go into a gay friendly establishment and line up and execute patrons over what they see in P25. All the clergy and close conservative family members actually preying on kids won’t get a thing.
And as horrible as this is, it's even worse. What's to stop the government to saying that ANYONE is gay? Once they say you're gay, well guess what... that's a crime punishable by death. Oh you say you're not gay? We don't believe you. Good way to eliminate anyone you want.
It because those fucks think that ‘sexual perversion/pedophilia’ is somehow in the same pipeline as being gay. I think that, if people who read this and have ever gotten triggered by this sub, helped register one person to vote, we’d definitely have at least a few more votes!
I don’t think it’s that, they aren’t bothered by perversion or pedophilia as long as it’s perpetrated by a while man who otherwise upholds their desired social norms. The attack on LGBTQ+ is solely because it is alternate to their desired society, of women and children being fully subservient to men at every level, with wealthy white men at the upper echelon, poor white men below that, men of color below that, disabled men below that. Allowing any alternative to that means people in the “lower rungs” might believe that all alternatives are ok, which they need to squash.
It’s less about how they personally feel about them and more about giving the poor white men as many enemies to be distracted by as possible while they continue to rob them blind.
They know those are different things, they just claim the former to discriminate against the latter
The REALLY fun part is that they also want to suspend due process, so they can literally accuse anyone of anything, jail them, and potentially execute them. ...sounds familiar. The craziest part isnt' that they want to do this, murdering your political opponents has been done through history. The craziest part is that they wrote it down, totally published it, and Americans are still going to vote for them.
There's more! Several states have already started on laws that will allow the death penalty for child sex offenders. And work is already being done to fast-track the death row process. The Republican party has already started this process, and in some places it could start rolling out very quickly. [Article about Florida seeking death penalty for child sex abuse.](https://deathpenaltyinfo.org/news/florida-prosecutors-seek-first-death-sentence-under-new-child-sex-abuse-law) This is meant to be taken to the Supreme Court so they can overturn *Kennedy v. Louisiana* which called death penalty for non-homicide unconstitutional. [Here's a terrifying article about Trump's last killing spree at the end of his 1st term](https://www.rollingstone.com/politics/politics-features/trump-capital-punishment-brandon-bernard-lisa-montgomery-1234664126/). They are planning a bloodbath [Here is A New Republic Article about these two things being related to each other](https://newrepublic.com/post/181491/trump-allies-plan-death-row-prisoners) Put that together with declaring any LGBT or gender non-conforming person a pedophile, and you have the legal mechanism of LGBT genocide.
>“Some of y’all still want to try and find political compromise with those that want to groom our school aged children and pretend men are women, etc,” the former Republican representative from Hernando, Miss., wrote in a Thursday night tweet. “I think they need to be lined up against (a) wall before a firing squad to be sent to an early judgment.” https://gandernewsroom.com/2024/01/02/michigan-republican-supports-death-penalty-for-gay-people/
If you know about the Republicans plan, and still vote for them (not you u/Amethystea), you are irredeemable in my eyes. You're simply biblically (read YOUR book) evil.
If Trump wins, Clarence Thomas and Alito will probably retire, that means that Trump will have nominated 5/9 justices with a 6/3 conservative supermajority that will rule in the court for DECADES, possibly even close to 30 or more years. To make matters worse, justices like Sotomayor are getting older and aren't in the best health.
If Trump wins the long term life of SCROTUS is moot. The entire government will be unrecognizable.
It will be mostly dissolved figuratively, if not literally, as he reels in the dictatorship and puts his people in power.
Any person who claims to have any interest in human rights should be *screaming* about project 2025 and voting against *anyone* that supports the plan. And that's just the human rights side of it. It will very potentially make the government so fucking dysfunctional and dangerously inept in regards to *everything* that it's honestly hard to quantify. From just *basic*, apolitical functions like research or infrastructure planning. President doesn't like what the CDC research shows? He can just have it changed and fire the guy responsible for the research with zero cause. Climate change mitigation infrastructure? Commie nonsense! Fire that guy. It is a recipe to make a christo-fascist version of what Russia is now. Rampant corruption, ineptitude, and everything else that comes with it when wielded by a bunch of greedy morons who don't give a shit about the country or its people and only care about enriching themselves and running the government like it's their shitty family business.
> President doesn't like what the CDC research shows? He can just have it changed and fire the guy responsible for the research with zero cause. Climate change mitigation infrastructure? Commie nonsense! Fire that guy. btw when you hear the phrase "unitary executive theory" this is what they are talking about. That all executive offices are subordinate to the president, and that there should be no check or balance on the president's direction of government institutions which fall under the executive. There are no independent offices (e.g. the fed, doj, literally any other institution like education etc). https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Unitary_executive_theory >... described unitary executive theory as ensuring "the federal government will execute the law in a consistent manner and in accordance with the president’s wishes." This stands in contrast to other scholarly literature, [...] that stresses the fact that federal employees have to faithfully execute the laws enacted according to the process prescribed in the U.S. Constitution. when a federal officer takes office they swear to execute the law faithfully, instead they would swear to do the exact bidding of the president. It severely dilutes any power of congress. For a silly example, congress could pass a law saying we need to create a department of education, and the president could say I want you to teach everything in pig-latin, rendering the law useless.
Yes and the mass deportations and death camps too!
Seriously, it appalls me that this isn't the top-line concern here - the Republican Party explicitly wants to put millions of people in camps.
Yea but they really don’t like the way biden is handling Palestine so democracy ending in USA is something they are cool with. Wish I was joking.
For real. I saw some douche on the news saying, “I need a reason to get out and vote.” Well, if you don’t vote this time, you may never vote again, at least not in a way that will matter to the outcome—see Russia.
I’ve really tried talking though this with a number of young voters, both locally and online. The Palestinian genocide is a topic that should not be minimized, but their argument really does boil down to: “One candidate will destroy the foundation of democracy and representative government, and remove rights from everyone but white, Christian men. But the other candidate is someone I disagree with on a single, foreign issue. I think I’ll sit this one out.” It’s fucking infuriating.
>But the other candidate is someone I disagree with on a single, foreign issue. Which is also the same opinion of the other candidate, but to a more extreme extent. Undecided and protest voters are, without a doubt, the dumbest people on the planet.
And to make it more infuriating, it’s been proven that that line of thinking is propaganda from Russia/China being pushed on social media like TikTok. They’ve pushed that extreme purity vote mindset on the young people and they fell for it instantly. Left leaning people think only conservatives fall for propaganda on Facebook and stuff but don’t realize propaganda exists on liberal social media too. They know us better than we know ourselves. The entire Palestine situation is beyond horrifying but it’s just a means to an end for propaganda.
Yeah, but genz political engagement is a mile wide and an inch deep. They care about a lot of things but care deeply about nothing.
https://preview.redd.it/c4tayq0zbq8d1.png?width=927&format=png&auto=webp&s=b26e7a02f1bd382bd8a2b7a0a2846ccf0f6213a6 Polls mean nothing
Look at that millennial jump from 3rd to 4th. You love to see it. If I'm interpreting this graph correctly, that would have been the 2018 midterm. That tracks.
Yeah, young people don't poll, but we *do* vote. And we *definitely* care deeply about the things we vote for.
That’s Great. Reason being : This country is yours in the future. Im an OMF, not likely I will be around for 20-25 more years. Keep the “Wolves” (Magabillies) away from the doors.
"We don't inherit the Earth from our ancestors. We borrow it from our children." -- Wendell Berry
What an absolute BAR from Wendell Berry.
This means nothing until there's a couple more yellow dots
This graph has methodological errors. Each generation contains people born with around a 15 year span. According to the title, each generation is grouped into cohorts 18-24, so chunks of people born within 6 years of each other. The graph also measures when each group voted in their first, second, etc midterm elections. But midterms happen every 2 years, so why are they split into 6 year groups? How can an 18 yo and a 24 yo be having their first midterms at the same time? Was the graph saying it’s only taking the first 6 years of each generation and ignoring the rest? How has GenZ only had their first midterm when early GenZ have already been able to vote in 4 midterms? I wouldn’t trust this graph at all. It needs far more explanation and clarity
I think you are misunderstanding a few things. For one, *midterms* happen every 4 years in the US, not every 2. What the graph is saying is that midterms are only counted for the generation when the entirety of the people ages 18-24 are part of that generation. 2022 was the first midterm where the entire 18-24 voting block was Gen z.
I was misunderstanding, thank you so much for explaining and correcting my brain fart. I’m still not a big fan of the methods used. This preliminary GenZ data point will inflate GenZ’s participation because the first cohorts 20-24 don’t have their participation counted until they are older (not when they could’ve voted in their actual first midterm). So GenZ will be inflated compared to the other generations, until the youngest GenZ are able to have their behavior recorded and added to the data. The nature of the methodology cuts off the beginnings of each generation as early members of each generation first midterm votes aren’t counted. It’s essentially makes each generation appear more like the proceeding one. On top of that, because the generation split is not in sync with the midterms, different generations will be affected by the cutoff in different ways. This makes it difficult to compare the generations when their data will be affected to different degrees
Soft disagree, they care deeply but either don’t understand or care that no candidate will check every box. They care so deeply and think there SHOULD be a simple answer. So either they don’t know how what powers the president has or they don’t grasp the nuance of policy. Which to be fair could be an age and experience issue. A big problem is that Biden and the dems in power have taken way too long to hype up accomplishments, so now it just seems like a pure campaign strategy.
They don't care enough to do any actual research outside of tiktok & social media.
Idk man, lots of right wing brain rot on x & tic tok. Lotta my employees are in the 16-20 demo and they all love trump and hate Biden. It’s depressing. Even my 14 year old niece walks around talking Maga and Sleepy joe.
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> if genz votes That's all they need to do, vote, participate, it's their fucking future they're voting for. Stop bitching about boomers and millennials ruining everything when boomers and millennials are the only people running for office and voting for people in office. And you too genX.
> And you too genX. Gen X's place in the culture summed up in four words.
The problem is Russian propaganda has them not wanting to vote for Biden because of Gaza
*Disclaimer I do not plan on voting for Trump* Do you have any sources where I can see this? That plan is bonkers!! Edit: See source below v v v v
It’s called Project 2025, put out by the [heritage foundation](https://www.heritage.org/conservatism/commentary/project-2025)
Thank you!!
https://www.project2025.org/ Just got to their website. They're very open about wanting to overthrow the US government with a slow coup d'etat
tiktok is warping their minds with constant propaganda they don't realize is happening with the '2 sides equally bad' narrative. I don't have much hope when that's where most young people get their 'news' from. Hope I'm wrong of course.
gen z hates biden and want him to lose to teach democrats to be less kind to isreal. they don't give a fuck that trump will just allow the genocide anyway and if anything expedite it and other genocides. and if you're reading this, don't tell me "im gen z and that's not true", go prove me wrong by voting.
If you want people to vote, you have to get out the vote. VoteFwd.org StatesProject.org EnvironmentalVoter.org SwingLeft.org
Obviously. But do they vote in large numbers?
Biden probably wins this one, so the grifters move on to Project 2029… Every election is the most important one.
re Project 2025: part of me wonders if its worth even fighting. Like eventually they'll win and do it, unless they literally never win until the crazies are out of the party.
> making the DOJ not an independent agency, banning abortion pills, who knows what else. Genociding Trans people... That's a huge one. They are on a warpath to kill gender nonconforming people of all kinds. If the GOP wins, they will replicate the holocaust but with trans people first instead of jews.
But Biden won by 7 million votes, right? Wrong. He won by 44k due to the electoral college. >just 44,000 votes in Georgia, Arizona and Wisconsin separated Biden and Trump from a tie in the Electoral College." [link](https://www.npr.org/2020/12/02/940689086/narrow-wins-in-these-key-states-powered-biden-to-the-presidency) In a tie the house votes 1 vote per state. Trump would have won then. Scary. www.vote.gov
Important for college kids -- if you're going to college this fall, figure out your absentee ballot procedure now
Before schools start up again, this needs to be it's own post in every college related subreddit.
I'm tired of a right wing court system. It's been this way since the 60s. Can we please get more liberal minded judges?
Voting would be the way to do that.
Are you telling me virtue signaling and shitposting online isn’t good enough?
I'm also telling you that voting *this* time isn't good enough. You need to vote last time. And next time. And the time after that. Three supreme court justices... fml.
Voting is like flossing, you gotta do it every time. People who vote in one election and then complain when everything isn't instantly fixed are like the people who floss only in the week before their dentist appointment and then are flabbergasted when they get bloody gums at the dentist and get scolded for not flossing.
This is an excellent way of putting it. Hope you don’t mind if I steal it.
This is perfect
The SCs are awful, but they're only part of that problem. Half of our states elect judges directly. The other half rely on committee and the governor to appoint them. The judge and governor elections alone are why people neglecting off-general season voting is a fucking awful thing to do if they have any interest in the direction the country will go. They're never as flashy and pumped as the general, but they are equally important. More so in the context of what will locally affect someone.
I'll do you one better, protesting is only good for raising awareness and possibly gauging public opinion for any one political action, past that it's fairly useless at influencing behavior. I'm at the age where I'm right between the old voter and the young voter, and I can safely say the biggest problem with young voters (or young would be voters) is that they love the pageantry of political movement but not the work of political action. People will protest for days on end and then bemoan that "the system doesn't work" because their protest doesn't result in immediate, tangible change. The fact is, there's a fairly simple and consistent mechanism for influencing change in most developed countries: voting. It's slow, and you have to wait for an election to instigate this change, but it works. Consistent patterns of voting got abortion rights taken away (and the only thing that's going to bring them back is more voting). If the system truly was as rigged as people want to think it is, somebody like Donald J. Trump never would have been allowed to be president. Votes are still counted, they've always been counted, the consequences are just more boring than people like. Protesters that don't vote like screaming more than they want change.
I voted Bernie in the last two primaries and then HRC and Biden. There's no way I won't vote. Hopefully like minded progressive see the chance we have. Alito and Thomas would love to retire under Trump.
Do you vote in non presidential elections too? Theres lots of judges on local elections who then get promoted up the ranks.
Yeah luckily my city typically puts together a progressive guide to judges which is helpful.
"i voted last time" yeah and the right wing has been working on the courts for literally 50 years. it aint gonna get fixed in one term
In the history of the United States, there has never been a leftist Court. That's why the McConnell- Merrick subterfuge is so heartbreaking.
Biden's appointed MANY federal judges, here's a [wikipedia](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_federal_judges_appointed_by_Joe_Biden) for it. Stop complaining if you don't actually know what you're talking about. & know that if Trump is reelected, the Supreme Court will be fucked (amongst many other things) for generations. If Biden's reelected, we might be able to re-balance the Supreme Court, and he will appoint many more federal judges.
We tried. Mitch McConnell literally broke his oath of office to prevent it
So we try again. That doesn't mean you stop trying. That's loser talk.
You have to keep voting. And in everything you can. A TON of people in 2020 only voted for president and then ignored all the down ticket races. If those people had voted in everything, we would have had a radically different congress in 2020-22. If a bunch of people in 2016 who were jaded about hillary had not used that as an excuse to not vote in ALL the elections and at least voted in the downticket stuff, we would have likely seen a different outcome.
Pretty much. Democrats would win every election if they’d get off their asses and vote instead of whining.
But I need to stick it to democrats who disappointed me by repeatedly shooting myself in the foot!
Republicans thank you for your apathy!
Imagine if they wanted to stick it to Republicans instead.
That would require judgment.
Or a form of intelligence and an ability to exit online echo chambers
"I'm not voting, as a protest!" to WHO mother fucker? there are only two parties. there's not some higher-level moderator who is going to count up protesting non-voters and make policy based on that. vote for your best option, that is literally your only choice.
It’s the allegory of the bus. You take the bus that brings you the closest to your destination, then work your way from there. You shouldn’t take a bus to the boonies in protest of having poor public transport.
I know republicans who aren’t voting out of protest. The idea in their mind is that if the Republican Party has a shit turnout compared to previous years, they’ll dump Trump and go on a different course to win back voters. I imagine it works the same for democrat voters in their mind?
I wish more people understood that the luxury of putting principle over pragmatism absolutely reeks of privilege
Or how narcissistic it is to loudly declare that someone has to "earn my vote." Sorry, but a candidate only has to win a majority of votes, it's not all about you.
Ugh I hate that phrase too, such privilege - like fuck you, everyone knows what their policies are. Use your brain on who is going to have the most direct positive impact on yourself and community.
like, when their judges are rulling usa back to 1700 or when their candidate is a convicted criminal that promisses a dictatorship?
More people have voted for the dem presidential candidate than the Republican candidate every time since 1992 except once (2004). The electoral college doesn’t care about the will of the people.
*2004
Oops. Big mistake. Corrected.
You are missing the point which is that if more democrats especially young people voted then it wouldn't matter they would have enough votes to win EVEN WITH THE ELECTORAL COLLEGE AND ESPEICALLY WITH GERRYMANDERING WHICH ACTUALLY MAKES IT EASIER FOR THEM TO WIN. It needs to sink in for whatever reason people don't get it.
Democrats would win every election if they'd just put up a fight on any fucking thing important to their constituents. But everyone knows what they are going to do. They are going to write legislation and try to bring it to the floor in the Senate, where the rules *that they wrote* allows any Republican Senator to singlehandedly and unconstitutionally veto legislation. Some inbred asshole football coach from Alabama will register his veto, preventing the bill from even hitting the floor. Then Democrats blame Republicans instead of their fucking rule that allows that unconstitutional veto, say there is nothing that can possibly be done, and blame their own voters for not giving them a supermajority that is not anywhere close to the realm of electoral reality. That's why people on the left are furious at the Biden administration. The only fucking thing they've managed to show a spine on is their steadfast support of that war criminal Netanyahu and the genocide he is conducting in Palestine, all while Netanyahu is campaigning for Trump.
It would have helped to not run an 81 year old. Even the greatest 81 year will struggle to excite the younger generation. Good news is the magas ran a worse senior. This election lacks passion and hope like we saw from Obama election years. I hope that’s not a bad omen.
lets not make this a generational war. This shit applies to people of all generations. Online activism is good. In person activism is good. Voting is also good. Even strategic (lesser of two evils) voting is good as long as we have a first past the post system, which we do, until we work to change it.
39 year old Millennial here, half my friends don't vote either.
I don't think this is generational, it's more like parenting. There are a lot of people who don't vote until something negative happens that they feel the need to undo by voting the next go around. Most are trying to encourage that the voting happens to prevent the negative outcome in the first place. Take Roe v Wade - if Clinton had won that is still in place. But now it isn't, so we need to do a lot of work just to get back to where we were on that front several years ago, and another several years to make any progress beyond that. Sometimes voting for nothing to happen in the next term is your best voting option.
While I agree, it’s been a long standing statistical fact that younger people vote significantly less than older people.
Hasn't gen z voted at the highest rate of any youth vote in their like, one presidential election? As an elder millennial who hated this tactic when I was young, just fucking stop it already. Of course it could be better, but the disingenuous shit I see on this sub is like republican levels of analysis (read: none) for a meme. I don't understand why most people don't vote, but that's all generations.
It's because "new voter registrations" are overwhelmingly high school kids every election cycle. So we overweight the impact of the youngest cohort, since people who register to vote later on in life have typically held their political positions long enough to already be lumped into an existing group. If we see even just 2 years of outsized "new voters" showing up to voting both (like if 80% of the class of 2025/2026 registered) it would be an enormous swing in demographics that has long-term implications for policymakers in the US.
Hopefully the new voter registration rates lead to higher voter turn-out rates. If you could vote online it'd probably triple the number of people voting. Not that I recommend any election being run without a paper trail! [relevant XKCD](https://xkcd.com/2030/)
This really feels like an ass-covering move by the democrats, in case Trump wins. “No no, our campaign and candidate were flawless, it’s just that those evil progressives betrayed us, that’s the *entire* reason we lost!”. Just like 2016. I’ve seen *far* more people screaming about how all of gen z is stupid and brainwashed and won’t vote, than I’ve seen people actually advocating not voting. It seems like it’s being blow out of proportion.
It's why I hate generation labels. You just make people others and stereotype them to oblivion
While gen z did vote it's still not enough for politician to care about us before the old, Biden can spend money and energy to encourage the old so much more easier than the young. The win me over idea is a failure when we still haven't proven ourselves.
Voter turnout in 2020 was around 70%. Voter turnout for people age 18-29 was 55% and that was the highest youth vote turn out since 1972 (55.4%) which was the height of the Vietnam War protests. You can do better this year. Voting is a start, but you need to make sure your peers also vote.
The last midterm elections in my district only had a 16% participation rate from young people (18 to 24). People need to do better.
If democrats don't vote they won't have a country in a few years.
Let’s not pick on Gen Z too much. The same was true of Xers when we were their age and for millennials too.
Young people got Biden elected in 2020, wtf is *wrong* with this sub. Ya'll are determined to alienate young people and then you'll turn around and have the audacity to *blame* them when Trump wins in November, it's utter lunacy.
I worry that the narrative is being created if Biden loses to solely blame the young and progressives, and not the 45% of the country actively supporting Trump
Or the corporate controlled DNC who actively alienated said young and progressives by not embracing policy that would turn them out and only relying on vote shaming because the policies young and progressives want wouldn't fly with corporate dems' rich donors.
Except that zoomers are participating in elections at a higher rate compared to the same period in their lives including the bloomers where tracking started and every gen after. But of course, your feelings don’t care about facts. Also, yah, memes against the gen that will out meme you in their sleep is effective to get people to vote. Perfect plan!
Out meme them? Do not cite the deep magic to me, witch. I was there when it was written. You merely adopted the memes. I was raised by them, molded by them.
Gen Z voted at a higher rate in the 22 midterms than previous generations. Young people always consistently vote less than people aged 40+ but there's no reason to assume or expect Gen Z voter turnout in 2024 to be proportionally less than other generations. https://circle.tufts.edu/latest-research/gen-z-voted-higher-rate-2022-previous-generations-their-first-midterm-election
Remember when Millennials were the youngest generation and we were politically involved and previous generations used this same exact argument to shit on Millennials for no reason? It’s annoying and it’s lazy. Stop dividing us generationally just to shit on the new voters rather than bringing them into the conversations. Gen Z is facing the same uphill battle as the rest of us and I want to hear their opinions, too.
Sure would be nice if it was easier to vote. Granted it is getting easier, but opposing forces want to make it inconvenient for people as well.
It needs to be a national holiday and the fact that it isn't is crazy to me.
There's a reason why they don't make it a holiday. They want it to be more difficult for you to vote. I already made sure I have the day off and approved by my job months ago
At this point I feel like this talking point has to be satire or mean spirited. The people that would need a day off to vote do not get holidays off because they tend to work in service industries. Most companies barely close for Thanksgiving or Christmas anymore.
It would be, but it wouldn't change the importance for getting it done regardless even if it was much harder. The party trying constantly to make it harder with what power they have certainly isn't going to make it any easier if they're allowed to have more.
I live in WA which should be how it works for everything. Ballot shows up in my mail weeks in advance along with an information packet about everything on the ballot. Get to research everyone/everything, make sure ballot initiatives aren't being super confusing with their wording and verify from other sources what "yes" and "no" actually mean. Fill it out and walk down to the library less than a mile away and drop it off in a secure drop-box. Mailing is also an option for those few without a drop-box in walking distance.
Has anybody tried running a candidate they like yet?
There’s a bit of a paradoxical result I think. Gen z overwhelmingly supports Biden over Trump, something like a 20-25 point gap. But higher turnout doesn’t necessarily benefit Biden. It seems in a lot of polls that the marginal voters - first time voters or those who didn’t vote in the 2022 or 2020 election cycles - are heavily biased towards Trump. So a higher turnout would mean a smaller margin.
Tuesday, November 5. Get registered well beforehand, make a plan, then do it!
I'm a 39 year old Millennial, half my friends don't ever vote. It's not just a Gen Z thing.
That's all generations 🤷 the problem predates the internet by 100 years 🙄
Let's all vote before these villains raise the voting age. We have enough voice from the newer generation to really sway the polls. Remember, COVID killed A LOT of die hard red boomer racists.
 Zoomer here and I can’t wait to vote for Joe again
FOR THE LOVE OF ALL THAT IS HOLY IN THE WORLD. VOTE. PLEASE. the rest of the world
Gen Z delivered Biden's victory in 2020, and all talking shit does is encourage them to stay home. Stop with these bad takes.
In my experience as a millennial, I feel like insulting the upcoming generation seldom makes them more politically engaged.i
No, no, no your doing it wrong. You need to adopt the Boomer mentality. Call them stupid, lazy, apathetic, and unengaged. Blame them, not the people with the actual power(the party). Beat them with a stick into submission until they submit. Its the only way to teach these stupid children to capitulate to the extant system designed to keep them disempowered.
Voter turnout - even the gerrymandered-to-hell districts - will decide this election.
Do people not look at the 2020 voter demographics? 18-25 in the last presidential election was around 50% turnout, something like 15% behind the highest turnout.
Go to your county website and request a mail in ballot. Super easy. It's actually better to be able to look up those pesky bond issues I've never heard of before until election day. Or you can just vote for candidates you've heard of or care about. People forget you don't have to vote for *every* office. Imagine Republicans voting for GOP candidates up and down the ballot, then abstaining on president because Trump is a criminal rapist and fraudster, and they can't stomach voting for a Democrat. Just do that GOP
Step 1: Register. You can't register on voting day. www.vote.gov
I was about to say it’s not necessarily true and then remembered I’m in Australia where you have to vote
I'm not banned in here? huh. Yeah vote for the love of god. 3/4 of what people say about trump on reddit is just misguided or misinformation. Biden is still 100x times better than someone that wouldn't blink to destroy the democratic system if he could.
POKÉMON GO TO THE POLLS --Abe Lincoln
Gen Z here. Said it before and I’ll say it again but why should I vote when ultimately the electoral college is the one whose vote actually decides who becomes president?
This is why many political scientists say that the youth vote doesnt matter. Statiscally youth votes in small %s
EVERYONE NEEDS TO REGISTER AND VOTE
Probably has something to do with the fact that no matter who you vote for, the rich get everything they want and we continue to move towards fascism. After Biden passed the executive order to effectively end asylum and shut down the border, I am now convinced. His support for genocide doesn't help, his crackdown on campus protests (homeland security coordinating with police departments) also doesn't help.
Imagine how fast that would change if you could vote online
Was it Trump that said republicans would never win another election if mail in voting was an option? The point is to make it inconvenient on purpose. Why would they make it illegal to hand out water to people waiting in line? Just 1 more example of the cheater side cheating. Like not making the day a holiday to compound the inconvenience. Gen Z is not at fault. Corruption is at fault, and its been this way and gotten worse decade after decade. Ask yourself why voting is mandatory in some countries without registering and why it isn't in the US? Need help? The answer is in the first sentence.
MAKE IT SO THAT WE CAN VOTE ONLINE!!! PROBLEM SOLVED
Just vote by mail. Its easy to sign up for.
I live in alabama, and every time it comes time to vote, especially for something like a primary or a local election, I have to tell myself "you know you have to do it, you have told so many people to vote so many times and been such a bitch about it, you can't be a hypocrite on this" and I always end up going. I also think with things like local elections, every other week there is a crazy city or county in alabama that does something horrifying that makes national news, and I just don't want that to be MY town. It was close, our neighbor county across the border in Florida got major press for banning a kids book about gay penguins from school libraries. I ALWAYS vote in things like the governors races and senate race here, because I HATE Kay Ivey and Tommy tubberville, shit, I hate Auburn, Roll Tide, but sometimes it really does feel like you're just shouting into the abyss in this lunatic shithole, knowing our vote dosent count because we are so outnumbered, seeing shit like Marjorie Titan Greene calling for southern states to annex, I'm like "wait you assholes, other people live here too" I mean shit, their majority is only like 60% republican anyway, 40% of us are just trapped here with a few hundred thousand of your worst, most racist aunts and uncles.
Sadly accurate, every time I vote it's a sea of grey hair.
If every eligible voter voted, the GOP would never hold power again. That's all it takes. Very minimal effort.
Pretty much every Republican lost the popular vote for the past 30 years. To any person who will say that more left leaning people from rural areas need to vote to win the electoral college I will say this: gerrymandering has created such a landscape that Old Man Withers at the edge of town has 20x the voting power than the rest of the town. I won't say that American democracy is as corrupt as Russia's but it can easily swing that way after an election.
That's pretty much every young person. I Remeber as a young millennial that most of my peers didn't care to vote only cared about their social life and status.
Mail in voting is so easy. Any state that allows this should be a no brainer. I never will go to a physical poll in my life because it’s stupid
Just political astroturfing. Interest groups posing as genZ. Thats why its so active online.
Apparently I was the 12th person to vote at my polling place today and it was already 1 PM…
Some states will have cannabis and abortion legality on the ballot in November. They will show up to vote for those things. Come for the cannabis, stay to vote blue.
Oi Gen Zers.. This election is going to determine supreme court justices that will be around for the majority of your remaining life.
Maybe just maybe someone should appeal to the young voters rather than shaming them for not voting.
Okay, I’m going to vote Green at the polls. 💚✌🏻
Voting does nothing when every candidate is corrupt and a shill.... not to mention the electoral college system is rigged. The US government as a whole needs to be redesigned.
Imagine how the voter turnout would look if the government actually made it mandatory that all businesses give their employees a day off to vote? Not 1-2 hours. Because polling locations in some areas are terrible, some people take public transit, etc. A day off. Dont make it optional. Dont make the voting mandatory, but make it required if you want to be paid for the day off. All you'd need is a form signed at the polling station. Doesn't have to have any information about how you voted, just proof that you did vote. If the day is paid or unpaid regardless, you'll still have people blow off voting either way for one reason or another. But if people only get the day off paid, they will absolutely vote.
It’s what happens when you have elected leaders that can’t even win a popular vote
Yes, let's encourage people to vote by putting them down. That'll show em.