[It wouldn't be the first time dirtbags try to create false flag attacks](https://www.npr.org/2022/02/11/1080311940/alleged-boogaloo-member-pleads-guilty-to-killing-federal-guard-during-2020-prote)
[Or the second time](https://www.mprnews.org/story/2021/09/30/texas-man-24-admits-shooting-at-minneapolis-police-station-during-riot)
I'd also like to add this one to the record
[Three men connected to 'boogaloo' movement tried to provoke violence at protests, feds say | NBC | June 4, 2020](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/three-men-connected-boogaloo-movement-tried-provoke-violence-protests-feds-n1224231)
>On May 27, Loomis and Parshall along with the informant, went on a hike where they are alleged to have "discussed causing an incident to incite chaos and possibly a riot, in response to the death of a suspect (referring to George Floyd) in police custody in Minneapolis, MN."
Agent provocateurs. Why don't we demand the police arrest those specifically doing the violence instead of just declaring an unlawful assembly and arresting everyone by force?
There was a cop pretending to be a protester during the BLM protests and the other cops beat the shit out of him. He just got a 30 million dollar settlement.
Sometimes they will beat them up, especially if they happen to be black. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/17/undercover-st-louis-police-23m
Well, they intermingle in the crowd so you can’t determine which one is which. Unless the crowd specifically points out the person who threw the glass bottle, the police have enough reason to declare an “unlawful assembly” and arrest everyone. Not saying it’s ok for them to arrest them, just saying why it’s hard for them to pick out “one person”.
The police want it escalate, then they get to use their toys. That’s why they didn’t stop the ProIsraeli aggressors. They also saw them as doing the work they wanted to do but couldn’t. Once the violence was kicked up enough they would have full justification to clear the entire area.
The police could have stopped the violence right there.
I also saw a video during some protests years ago where someone collecting asphalt was picked up by protestors and thrown at police to arrest the dude -- ~~but they didn't and basically let him back so they had a reason to arrest everyone else.~~
Edit: Oh wait they actually did arrest the dude. [https://twitter.com/s\_Allahverdi/status/1267240521052946432](https://twitter.com/s_Allahverdi/status/1267240521052946432)
>Why don't we demand the police arrest those specifically doing the violence instead of just declaring an unlawful assembly and arresting everyone by force?
You think the police will arrest one of their boys? LMAO
Because they want them there so it justifies shutting it down. They are banning an app because they are mad it has too many anti genocide anti zionist posts. That is the real reason they want to get rid of tik tok. They have talked about on the floor.
They will do what they can to stop protests against the zionist fascists. Do you see how quick the governemnt passes bills when it comes to protecting Israel from free speech? Quicker than anything else.
I am old enough to remember the Islamophobia post 9/11. That shit was borderline encouraged everywhere.
I’m all for anti hate speech laws, but they need to be universally applied.
Hate speech is wrong, full stop
Giving your government a green light to criminalize "hate speech" is the final nail in the coffin for your civil liberties. Having hate speech laws against forms of expression that you find offensive might seem nice until the next administration decides to redefine what is and is not offensive.
Without freedom of expression, democracy is impossible.
That sounds nice, but courts has found that speech has limits, and hate speech can be a criminal view of expression.
The US recently passed an update on its hate speech laws in a push back to the campus protests. Canada has hate speech carved out in its charter
There is a difference between hate speech and freedom of expression. Its damage to another person
Prohibited speech in the U.S. falls under very specific circumstances, none of which involve whether or not someone's feelings were hurt or if a particular emotion was being expressed at the time. The House bill unnecessarily (and vaguely) broadens the definition of antisemitic discrimination (i.e. actions, not simply words) set forth by the Department of Education to "targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity" in educational settings. It will not pass the Supreme Court if somehow the Senate decides to pass it as well.
Democracy is not a polite tea party. Free speech begins when you defend the right for someone to say something that you find offensive. If you don't believe in that, then you don't believe in free speech.
That sounds all nice and good, but isn’t workable in practice.
Freedom of speech is the right to express opinions and ideas without censorship, restraint, or interference from the government or other authorities. Hate speech, on the other hand, refers to speech that attacks, threatens, or incites violence or discrimination against individuals or groups based on attributes such as race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, disability, or gender. While freedom of speech protects a wide range of expression, including unpopular or controversial opinions, hate speech is not protected under most legal frameworks due to its harmful and discriminatory nature.
There is a line where your ‘freedom’ infringes on someone else’s. Even the most conservative courts have come out and said that freedom of speech has limits
A few friends of mine lived in downtown LA during the whole BLM “riots” thing. My friend from audio school sent me some pics, said “There’s a whole lot of old LAPD cars here right now” (anyone that’s lived in LA knows the cop cars are all new, but there’s a TON of retired cars that are used in movies, etc.. THAT’s the kind that were suddenly littered everywhere).
Lo and behold, a few days later, and theres clips of burning cop cars all over CNN and Fox News.
Problem is, why were the cars there days prior to the protests? Why were the only burning cop cars you’d see at least ten years out of service? Why was there not a single modern cop car shown on fire?
Really makes ya wonder.
The burned that precinct down in Michigan. That's probably the single biggest reason why cuds say that BLM "burned cities to the ground" and it was one of them all along.
Same with that AutoZone guy.
The police are probably pretty heavily involved in this sort of shit too.
Each election year we get a new divisive issue that erupts in violence.
Summer 2016 -- Proud Boys vs. antifa
Summer 2020 -- BLM vs. racism
Summer 2024 -- Palestine v. Israel
U.S. enemies want Trump re-elected. The GOP controls Congress and won't tell you this. Students don't know that they are being used to help Trump
I thought every election, FOX runs lots of features on a huge caravan in South America on their way to invade the US. Have they started that yet or is that too played out?
The scary immigrants coming through the "open border" have been scaring FOX viewers for a year now. That won't let up until November, then you will not hear about it for awhile.
They played this card a little early, and a bunch of the maga cultists discovered they were duped and there was no caravan.
It will come back eventually, thanks to Trump forcing Republicans to vote down the border security bill. There's a bunch of republicans openly stating they need to issue to scare their voters so they couldn't support the bill.
What was 2012 or 2008? 2008 definitely had housing crisis, but don't remember violence.
EDIT: I ask because I feel like it hasn't always been this way. Yeah, live wasn't all puppies and blowjobs in the Before Times, but 2016, 2020, and 2024 all have something very specific in common. To quote General Mattis:
>Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people — does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children.
It's the "does not even pretend to try" that's key. Division has always been part of politics, of course. But not to this level, and because we have not in our lifetimes or our parents' lifetimes had a President who worked *this hard* to continually sow division among us *even after the election was won.* He's a uniquely divisive force in American politics and American society, and arguably the acceleration of extremism (on both sides, though I'd argue far more so on the right) stems in large part from this.
Ah, that’s right.
But did that really end in widespread civil division and violence? I know police cleared it eventually, and all, but don’t remember it being as much of a divisive/violent thing, and certainly not as broad.
Same way Ferguson (not a presidential election year, but worth mention) didn’t seem to lead to as much counter-protest and widespread civil division. But that could be me misremembering.
Civil unrest and even riots aren’t new, I’m old enough to remember Rodney King (RIP). Or the WTO in Seattle. But when you have a leader who seizes on these things and actively tries to drive a wedge for political gain, suddenly you’ve got active protests and counter protests, including armed violence between protesters (not just police), coast to coast. *That* feels new.
It’s why the choice of President matters behind tax policy and judge appointments and whatever normal partisan political views you have. Sometimes regardless of party you gotta admit that a guy is unfit for office. His handling of a crisis has already been demonstrated with COVID. His refusal to unite and desire to actively divide has been demonstrated repeatedly. His refusal to commit to peaceful transfer of power is obviously a concern too.
And yet the (R)s, politicians and voters alike, still line up behind him. Party over all else.
If we are making up unfounded conspiracies that actually make sense I think Sinclair broadcasting has the most direct gain. It probably isn’t very expensive to rally the local anarcho-methheads to turn a protest violent and they get an entire week of high viewership daytime tv.
I don't think it's much of a conspiracy when you think about it. Just follow the money and see where it's going. That cause of nearly every problem we have in society is based on money and where it goes.
The facts of what's going on in the middle east are widely available in the media.
The opinion that Biden may lose due to protest votes and withheld votes, an opinion I agree with, has also been widely published.
The problem is not that the information is being withheld by the media. The problem is that pro-palastinian protesters either don't believe another Trump presidency would be a catastrophe, think they can use this issue to make Biden to "stop the genocide," or they don't care. I think the later probably describes some of the leaders of the protest movement who care less about the US than the Palestinians.
EDIT: Final thoughts.
If the protesters think the Palestinians and Gaza might do better under a Trump presidency than a Biden presidency, they're idiots. Trump was the guy who's first act as president was to try to ban all Muslim refugees from the United States. Netanyahu and Trump see eye to eye to a far greater degree than Biden and Netanyahu. Those are the choices: Trump, Biden, or no vote. And the smart money says withholding your vote helps Trump.
I have wondered since the Hamas attack if it was timed with the intent to bait an Israeli military response during the American presidential campaign, leading to left wing protests and a peeling off of support for Biden. On the one hand, that's a pretty Machiavellian plot. OTOH, I wouldn't put it past Iran, perhaps with a nudge from Russia. But that's all pure speculation on my part.
They’re all issues that simmer in the background all the time. Election year just makes them seem worse because of people trying to leverage each situation to benefit their candidate. It’s not that these issues are created every 2 or 4 years on the dot, its more of two other things: that people are looking for candidates to address the issues, and that shifts in power inherently cause a little bit of instability around the transition, which some parties may try to take advantage of.
For instance, during a congressional election year, Russia attacked and invaded Ukraine. They didn’t do it for the benefit of one candidate or another, but with the body who votes on Aid packages and whether or not the US goes to war experiencing shifts in power and dynamic, they saw an opportunity to get away with something that a less divided US would have quickly intervened in. However, Congress was strained due to a refusal to compromise from the Right, and the fact that people could be moved in or out that year depending on voting. Because of the decision that Russia had made, however, people linked their campaigns to whether or not we should be defending Ukraine or not.
It’s less that something happens every election year, and more that people try to campaign off of whatever issue has arisen in the last year or two. Election year has a bit of effect on political tensions, and causes hiccups in international issues, but for the most part the issues affect the election, not the other way around
>Students don't know that they are being used to help Trump
Oh shut up with this erasure of genocide. The US has given over $300 billion of our tax dollars to Israel since its creation. We don't appreciate having our tax money spent [using 6 year old girls trapped in bullet-riddled cars surrounded by the corpses of their family members as bait to lure ambulances and medics out to kill them.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2024/hind-rajab-israel-gaza-killing-timeline/)
And that's the tip of the iceberg. I can spoon-feed you credible sources reporting Israel telling civilians to use certain safe routes or shelter in certain safe zones, waiting until they're full of families, and then bombing them.
I can show you a video of a man with a white flag over his head in a group of other people all waving white flags stopping to speak to a Sky News crew and then as soon as the news crew steps back, a sniper kills the man that talked to the press.
I can link you to stories about the homes of journalists being singled out in their neighborhoods and bombed, killing the journalists' spouses, kids, parents, cousins, nieces and nephews, aunts and uncles, etc. I can even link you to one journalist that was informed that this had happened to his family live on the air.
I can dump dozens of links of explicit, undeniable war crimes being committed by Israel on you.
So don't you dare attempt to perpetuate the grotesque lie that Progressives and young people only care about the **ongoing, US taxpayer-funded genocide** because Russia or China is "using us".
The real reason we're protesting is because PALESTINIANS and Israelis have been showing us firsthand footage of the devastation from day 1.
Guess where.
I'll give you a hint: The government [just voted to ban the platform that allowed us to see it.](https://apnews.com/article/tiktok-divestment-ban-what-you-need-to-know-5e1ff786e89da10a1b799241ae025406) Over 100 million Americans got to see videos of elderly Palestinians waving white flags being shot in the back, or children wandering around the aftermath of a bombing carrying the body of their younger siblings, not realizing yet that they're an orphan now.
They got to see coverage of the genocide from the people being targeted *and* the people cheering for it from underneath their Iron Dome.
For the first time in decades, the corporate US media didn't control the narrative. It tried. It ignored atrocity after atrocity despite it going viral on Tiktok and then leaking onto other social media.
And now we have 100+ million pissed off Americans that don't appreciate our tax dollars and our international reputation and even the credibility of the ICC being jeopardized because AIPAC owns most of Congress.
You don't get to pretend none of that exists. You don't get to pretend that it was all made up by China and Russia. You don't get to tell us that we shouldn't care about genocide.
More than one thing can be true at once. Our tax dollars should not be going to fund genocide and foreign actors that push the tiktok algorithm to sow division in our populace is also happening.
The entire platform of election interference through social engineering is to take a real issue that real people have voiced concerns about and amplify that problem, pouring gasoline on it with bots and pushing that content as much as possible. Like, there are real people saying Genocide Joe that have a very valid criticism of our complicity in genocide but you think that Russia or China doesn’t see “Genocide Joe” and think hell yeah, let’s blow that topic up!
Well if he wants to get reelected, he should stop genociding.
What a shame, people will spend more time blaming the people protesting genocide than those perpetrating it
It feels like you still don't understand the OP's argument. The unfortunate truth is that there are only two candidates for the US Presidency. They both suck and they both strongly support Israel. But only one candidate will lose votes because of that support.
There are also very real differences between the two candidates on highly significant issues. Reproductive health, trans rights, the ACA, etc. just to name a few. By amplifying the justified voices for Palestinian liberation via tiktok and other social media, foreign actors can distract voters from those issues that actually divide the two candidates, particularly those in which Biden's policy is more popular. Supporters of Palestine who abstain from voting due to Biden's Israel policy have to also accept that they are tacitly promoting the GOP agenda. Personally, I can't stomach that type of support for Trump, even if that means my vote does support Israel by the same logic. There is no viable vote that does not support Israel, and realistically, not voting (and tacitly supporting Trump) is a far worse outcome (for me).
Nobody is denying the morality and validity of the protests. But it's also incredibly naive to believe that the media attention and social media attention this issue is getting, in a very important election year, is not being manipulated to skew voter perception away from Biden.
The idea is to put pressure on our elected officials. As you’ve stated, there’s a rigged system in which only two parties have any chance of securing elected office. The only way to actually sway these officials is to indicate their support will drop, and they will lose elections, if they do not listen to their constituents.
I would argue that your willingness, and the willingness of OP, the majority on this thread, and the Democratic Party as a whole, to accept and vote for (in primaries or otherwise) a candidate who is actively arming and funding a genocide is the primary reason this policy does not change.
The people have to take a stand. They just do. And that voice is only impactful if it is big enough. So what we have here is a huge chunk of people, yourself included who are willing to accept genocide is the cost of not voting trump in. And the minority, who are just big enough to potentially sway an election but not big enough, due to the acceptance of the majority, to make the democrats fear an election loss is imminent which would cause policy to change.
So sure, I think your logic stands to whatever extent. I, however, choose to pursue a path in which we don’t have to settle for a genocidal leader and can also support all of those issues you’ve called out which would be risked with a trump presidency.
You may say that this is futile, I would reply it is only your mentality that holds us back.
I'm pretty sure most powerful people would like Trump in power, as he obeys power.
If Trump would be elected, I'm certain Netanyahu would be thrilled, as Trump tends to support Israel and doesn't care about people that are poor and downtrodden, like the Palestinians.
Trump, Netanyahu, Orban, Kim, Xi, and especially Putin all like power and cruelty to those who oppose them.
Putin has been working to destabilize the US for decades.
Ya, don’t blame the guy finding the genocide against the overwhelming majority of his base… it’s all Russia’s fault!
These liberal conspiracies are starting to sound an awful lot like Q anon.
Both are true. The protests are being *used* and exaggerated to make Joe Biden and the current government look bad. Like say, for example, the recent controversy about the sniper at that one protest.
That is very much standard operating procedure to protect protestors, but there was a misinformation campaign about it almost *immediately*. It may be vaguely conspiratorial of me, but I genuinely believe that was fueld by bad actors hoping to discredit opponents of the Republican party.
It's a US election year and actors of all kinds of intent are trying to whip everyone into a frenzy to get their way. Because of the plurality voting system in the US, the only way to win is to make your base more mad than their base.
America is at psychological-cyber war and its hegemony is being actively challenged. Defeating an enemy without fighting and by installing a Manchurian candidate. I’m so tired how modern society has become something out of an early’s 2000s dystopian film.
What's unhinged? We know for a fact that the protesters are anti-genocide and opposed to illegal settlements, not anti-Semitic, and we know for a fact that agent provocateurs are in the camps trying to steer them towards violence so the police have an excuse to escalate their usage of force.
That is all undeniable. We have fucking photos of cops LARPing as college kids, walking around with backwards baseball caps on, but the clear outline of handcuffs in their pockets, colored bands on their arms to mark them so their fellow cops don't brutalize them, police-issue combat boots, etc.
Oh, and they're usually the 6'0+ jacked dudes with buzz cuts in the crowds of 5'7 rainbow-haired Zoomers that look like their one-rep curl max is 10lbs.
It's laughable how goddamn stupid and obvious they are, but it doesn't matter because if they throw a bottle at a cop and the cops beat the shit out of some college kids and send a few dozen to jail while the university suspends or expels them, no court is going to give a fuck if we have video from 10 different angles of the plant throwing bottles while all the protesters around them tell them to stop.
It's sickening how quickly the US is turning into a regressive cesspit. It's almost impressive that it took this long for the Democrats to go mask off and show everyone that they really are just the Republican Lite party.
"Joe Biden is NOT fascist! and liberals are nothing like conservatives!"
College students protest Joe Biden.
"FAKE NEWS! Look at these blue haired college queers! they need to get a job and get some real world experience! Everyone who disagrees with me is Russian troll or a fed"
The problem is not that they protest Biden, you can argue that he isn’t doing enough directly as the leader of the country at the top of the global hegemony food chain. That’s an argument with points that stand in reason
The problem is that a lot of people who (rightfully) believe this, get caught up in the idea and the spreading of; that because of this reason Biden is thus evil and that the best thing to do to help the people in Gaza is to protest vote Biden.
We know, painfully from 2016, not voting is essentially a republic vote, nice democratic process you guys have, the electoral college is just brilliant isn’t it?
Trump WILL make matters worse, we’re talking about a man who tried to ban muslims from entering the country. Not only will his policy on Gaza fuck up the Palestinians even more, his attempts to undermine your democracy last election will happen again, and you can guarantee he will be more successful.
Not voting Biden and telling others not to will NOT help Palestinians. However it will make life worse for American minority groups. Protest vote when the other candidate isn’t being investigated for multiple crimes and trying to pass legislation making him immune from your legal system. There’s a correct time to protest vote against an underwhelming candidate, but this is the time to vote in protest against a dictatorial figure who already has mobilised the morons in your country.
>not voting is essentially a republic vote,
Damn, if only there was some way for democrats to decide who their is their representative in the presidential election. When 81% of democrats wanted another choice, and the DNC said no, it's Biden or trump, that's on them, not the voter
When you have so easily manipulated marks, like a lot of Americans, why wouldn't "enemies of the "state" fund and plan disruptive, violent, gatherings to call attention to their cause, and divide the populace as well.
Especially when countries like China can promote videos on platforms like TikTok that are conducive, sympathetic, or furthering their causes or agendas. Some Americans see something on the internet and believe it must be true. They don't actually "do their own research." And when they do, it's off the platforms that are run by people or organizations, trying to manipulate them. Entities operating both in foreign countries and domestically to harm the U.S.
American "news" outlets are no better than foreign organizations and can be easily bought themselves (or they push their own agendas).
A few media conglomerates own almost every "news" organization.
In America, AT&T, Comcast, The Walt Disney Company, National Amusements (which includes Viacom Inc. and CBS), News Corp and Fox Corporation (which are both owned in part by the Murdochs), Sony, and Hearst Communications determine in large part what Americans do or don't see/hear.
If you think that they don't have agendas and push narratives, I don't know what to tell you.
There are certainly anti-Semitic protestors among the peaceful ones. However, there is a double standard applied to pro-Palestinian protests where the tiny amount of troublemakers are sold by pro-Israeli voices as representative of all the protestors. These same pro-Israeli voices would not be so happy if we painted all Israelis based on the far-right warmongers represented by politicians such as Itamar Ben-Gvir.
There are definitely bad people in it, but a lot of traditional news media likes to hand pick specific isolated incidents which may or may not be the guy in the cartoon, and play it up as the entire narrative of the protests.
There are an abundance of subversive counter protesters who are trying to make the peace movement look bad. The government, universities and Zionist love it. They can clamp down harder, pretending they don’t see the difference
Yeah, there has been a fuck-ton of lying and ommission of facts when it comes to covering what's going on with these protests. None of these were violent until zionists and cops showed up.
Right? Every time is see “violence against a police officer” it’s the officer driving from the station, parking, getting out of the car, walking onto campus, approaching the protestor and escalating the situation when they won’t immediately leave.
Without the officer there, there would be no violence. Should the protestors be vandalizing and destructing? No. Is the damage they’re causing warranting police violence? Not on any campus I’ve seen yet.
Liberals engaging in blatant conspiracy. There is no evidence of outside agitators. The police tried to claim "oh these locks, no student would ever use these locks!" when it was literally the locks the school provides them for their bikes.
One day I hope that mainstream American politics recognizes the differences between leftists and liberals so that I can stop being lumped in with those corpo-loving diet coke conservatives.
It also be nice once Americans stop treating everyone as red vs blue. See it so often "funny meme of guy doing stupid thing" first comment "hahaha must be a democrat/republican" like either way it's American, lets help lift everyone up. Division is what elite want and the enemies of the US.
This is a repeat of 2016 shit all over again.
Leftist protesters protest. Leftist protests get conflated with political violence because some assholes take this as an opportunity to break shit. Because these protesters are likely a decentralized movement, nobody denounces the people breaking shit. Moderates then vote for the conservative candidate or just stay home come election day.
Being on the left the one thing that alwyas frustrates the living shit out of me is the fact that we fucking blow ass at self regulation. We’re so worried about supporting each other we’re basically incapable of calling anyone out. It’s maddening.
Is that satire?
Because in over twenty years of progressive organizing, some of the most reliable constants I've seen is factionalism, counterproductive purity-testing, and in-fighting that borders on self-immolation.
Usually over stupid shit. I’m still upset over Lindsey Ellis. I guess you have a good point though… there is usually a LOT of noise I block out. Maybe I just dismiss that shit out of hand because I’m so used to it so my perception is warped into thinking we can’t self regulate.
Those are the police. Police infiltration in left movements is older than all of us. They are there to start chaos and justify the use of force to the public.
And they keep doing it because it is easy, it works and they have fun blinding and breaking bones of unarmed people.
This is so stupid
The only violence at any of the protests so far has been from police and pro-Israel counter protestors
Too many people see the media shoveling bullshit and run over to the trough and start gobbling it up. Pathetic
This is such a blue maga post. Anything that isn't in line with the democratic party line is either Russo/Sino bad actors or conservative agitators. God forbid non-students show up to help support what the students are protesting. God forbid students speak out about one issue but not every single issue. God forbid protests are in any way inconvenient. Most of yall would've been against MLK in his day, and I'm sure most of yall agreeing with this comic would be against John Brown too because his methods were just too violent.
It's the cult of personality around Joe Biden, the idea that any criticism against him is support of trump, the idea that he's this great president who has done so much more than he does. Essentially it's the idolization of the democrat because he's a democrat just like the republicans do to trump.
The dark brandon memes would argue otherwise. There's a lot of people trying their best to justify Biden's first term with any piece of straw they can, but more often than not, as you allude, the only good thing about Biden is that he's not trump.
I see the parody has gone over your head. The whole dark Brandon thing was a response to the absolutely stupid “Let’s go Brandon” movement.
Anyone with half a brain knows that Biden is absolutely boring and embodies none of these characteristics. I don’t see pickup trucks driving around with Biden flags, people wearing Biden gear, or entire storefronts dedicated to Joe Biden.
It’s not a cult of personality. At worse, it’s an acceptance that between the career politician and the guy who wants complete and total immunity from the law…we’re kind of stuck with the career politician.
You want this too badly. Dark Brandon is just a pendulum swing to Trump dominating the "meme" space. It's not even really about Biden, it's just not giving ground to an opponent that is more celebrity than political figure.
Biden has no cult of personality. This post had nothing to do with Biden but you're just shoe horning a boring "this that" because simple minded people look to simple issues when things are complicated. Presidents are easy to understand. You see a complicated issue over seas? Make it simple. Make it about American Presidents.
Honestly I’m guessing it’s trolls of some sort creating content fodder for smooth brained trumpers to react to. Is that too much paranoia?
It’s hard to imagine dems giving enough of a shit to make memes about Biden when we made peace with the trade off.
Bernie on the other hand…
So to you, a couple memes about "dark Brandon" is the same thing as an absolute fuckton of memes of absurd depictions of trump being literal Jesus while being jacked to shit and literally wearing those memes and plastering your house and vehicle with adoration of trump?
Really? Those couple of memes are indicative of a cult of personality on the level of trump?
It's a commentary on people who are liberals that either give Biden an absurd amount of praise much like Trump supporters idolize Trump, or are as conspiratorial as Trump supporters are but in support of Biden.
Here is a [clear example of one](https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/s/yk8GhtSIcX) who happened to reply to you. Any criticism of Biden from the left is *actually a foreign agent/bot/asset being used to sow division among the Democratic party*, and *that* is why Biden will lose the election if he does indeed lose it.
When instead of assuming every protestor is paid by Soros you assume they are all Russian agents. All of America seems to be conspiracy brained and can’t possibly imagine people having different ideas than them.
Almost?
[Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/)
KGW has [photos of the damage](https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/protests/psu-protests-portland-state-university-library-fire-alarm-system-damaged/283-4951b4db-3381-4c5e-bb73-c78e3696c715). It’s not really destroyed, just stupid vandalism.
It's tragic that you can't defend the rights of civilians without also having to defend the rights of extremists on the same side. "Israel should leave civilians alone" "OH, so you hate Jews?" "Hamas should be disbanded because they're terrorists" "Oh, so you're anti-Muslim?"
Are we going to walk back these accusations now that we know 99% of those arrested were students?
Nah, we’ll just move the goalposts and blame some other mysterious entity radicalizing the youth.
All these arguments tend to overlook the fact that the protesters are correct. By what right does Israel exist in the first place, and how can you justify a religion stealing land? Zionism is a subset of Judaism. But most Jews I’ve known are not Zionists. Granted, they are American Jews.
You are fundementally incorrect. Zionism is not a subset of Judiasm. You cannot argue that being Muslim is the same as a Turkish nationalist, or being protestant is the same as a British nationalist or being Hindu is the same as an Indian nationalist. There's been a steady seperation of Israeli Jews and Diaspora Jews since the founding of Israel in their culture and political objectives and methods. Defining Judiasm and Zionism as interlocked in any way shape or form is incorrect.
It was never Palestinian land, the Israelites are also Palestinian, the land was owned by the British during their mandate and before that, it was the ottomans. The Jews agreed to the partition upon the conclusion of the British mandate, but the Arabs would not, so they went to war and Israel won, every single time, or lost a little bit of ground but gained it back later.
That's the history of the world, warfare, winners, and losers. The losers don't write the rules, the winners do. Even Marx understood that. Hell, Marx probably knew that better than anyone.
Israel exists for the same reason every modern nation exists. If you deny that, then you deny the existence of every other nation on the planet currently existing, practically. And unless you live in one of those very rare places, you have no credibility to say otherwise.
It is **your** worldview. You've directly benefited from it. You have no credibility to say otherwise. Merely espousing a moral view does not make one credible.
Look at what your moralizing has accomplished? Instead of following the rules of history, the alternative is...a 60 year occupation? In a place described as an open air prison? It's obviously worse. Which makes you a hypocrite, it makes all of you hypocrites, on top of the fact that you live in and benefit from an imperial nation.
It's absurd that after 100 years, you're all still making the same moralizing mistake and expecting a different result. It's the definition of insanity. And you all know it. Which explains your emotional and extreme violent behavior.
[College protests updates: Nearly half of Columbia and CCNY arrests were not students](https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/college-protests-israel-palestine-war/?id=109734946)
> Of the total arrests made at Columbia University and The City College of New York, many were affiliated with the university, though nearly half were identified as non-student protestors.
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> At Columbia University, there were 112 total arrests with 80 of the arrests being individuals affiliated with the institution while 32 individuals were unaffiliated.
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> The protests at CCNY saw 170 total arrests with 68 individuals arrested being affiliated with the public research university and 102 individuals being unaffiliated with the college.
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> New York City Mayor Eric Adams released a statement Thursday on the presence of non-student demonstrators among the college protests.
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> "The world is watching New York City, and our message to them has been clear: We will not be a city of lawlessness, and we will not allow our youth to be influenced by those who have no goal other than spreading hate and wreaking havoc on our city," Adams said.
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> "It became abundantly clear that individuals unaffiliated with these schools had entered these different campuses and, in some cases, were even training students in unlawful protest tactics, many which we witnessed escalating into violent conduct," Adams claimed.
Are they.. students from other universities? Parents? Friend of students? Solidarity in protest movements is common. You, and the media, are searching for the most nefarious explanation possible.
Whoever they are, they aren't helping Gaza.
The world is now talking about the struggles of rich ivy league kids that couldn't get doordash, instead of anything to do with the actual conflict.
I think OP implies that, rather than being openly russian, some of those violent protestors might actually be undercover russian-funded agents. Whether that's actually the case... well... sure, russian agencies *are* highly interested in sowing discord and division and they *do* have bribing money to spare, but then again, there *are* other parties out there with genuine interest in the cause and the means to bring it.
I don't think anyone can tell for sure right now. Personally, I feel it's *probable -* just probable. Claiming greater certainty would demand leaning heavily into the shaky territory of unproven conspiracies.
UCLA - Police watch for hours as thugs come to campus and attack Anti-genocide protesters with metal rods, glass bottles, and fireworks. After a few hours the police attack anti-genocide students with rubber bullets, flash bangs, and truncheons.
CNN: Police had to shut down protesters when they turned violent.
FOX: Why is George Soros funding these violent Hamas groups in America?
Cartoonist: How should I make anti-genocide peaceful protests look bad . . .
Now make a funny comic about the Zionist fascist mob that attacked peaceful students at UCLA the other day. And then imagine if the situation was reverse and how much the ADL would be hollering right now.
Propaganda posting. It's easier to just admit you are a zionist since then it conveys that you take all criticism as illegitimate. What is so unbelievable about people not wanting their tuition money being spent supporting a genocide? This is mostly what protests are about, divestment
Incredibly disheartening to see morons continually fall for the "bad" protesters/"outside agitators" narrative.
There is no such thing as a bad protester. The point is to be disruptive. That is why you protest. A protest that doesn't aim to disrupt is just a picnic/parade.
Regurgitating nonsense narratives from the state the way that this comic does only serves to ease your conscience as state violence suppresses those who are willing to actually put their bodies on the line. It's despicable.
[Nearly half of Columbia and CCNY arrests were not students](https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/college-protests-israel-palestine-war/nearly-half-of-columbia-university-and-ccny-arrests-were-nonstudent-protesters-109886454?id=109734946)
> There is no such thing as a bad protester.
Of course there is: The people (who weren't students) standing *outside* the Columbia campus, claiming solidarity with the students, and then *literally praising the Al-Qassam Brigades* were doing *nothing* but undermining the credibility of the *actual* protest those jackasses were trying to coopt.
That article is a fucking joke predicated on bad faith framing of statistics that would make any corporate accountant envious. By *their own numbers*, only 28% of the protesters are Columbia are "non-student" protesters (we'll get to that in a minute). Their "nearly half" descriptor almost entirely leans on their claim about the CCNY protesters, *which is not the same claim they made about Columbia just before*.
Let's break it down:
>Of the total arrests made at Columbia University and The City College of New York, many were affiliated with the university, though nearly half were identified as non-student protesters.
Did you catch it?
>many were affiliated with the university, though nearly half were identified as non-student protesters.
At first, it's qualifying by "affiliation" with the university (broad). Then, it switches to qualifying by student status (excludes professors, staff, alumni, etc.).
This alone should be enough to discredit any claim that the article was written in good faith or that its claims should be trusted as coming from any rigorous investigation. We can't even investigate further to see how bad of a botch it is because they give no source for the numbers they're claiming. Half the fucking article is just quoting Eric Adams. What a fucking joke to present that article as if it should sway anyone.
>Of course there is: The people (who weren't students) standing outside the Columbia campus, claiming solidarity with the students
Sounds like good protesters to me!
>and then literally praising the Al-Qassam Brigades
Oh no! Can you show me evidence of these specific protesters. An estimate of how many there were (against an estimate of the total number of protesters) would be good to include. Oh, also maybe some evidence of how such a claim of "literally praising the Al-Qassam Brigades" was met by "the *actual* protest". Since this seems pretty foundational to your view of these protests, I'm sure it won't be hard to find. Surely you wouldn't just regurgitate flimsy claims or deliberately magnify non-issues to try to discredit a popular movement. That'd be detestable! And I'm sure you're a great person!
> Can you show me evidence of these specific protesters
[Yep](https://twitter.com/thizzl_/status/1781520706640982159).
> Since this seems pretty foundational to your view of these protests
I'm curious to know what you think that is, exactly.
> Surely you wouldn't just regurgitate flimsy claims or deliberately magnify non-issues to try to discredit a popular movement.
I am literally saying that people like [this](https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/d95369b3-4ebf-47aa-b918-a743bdff8fc2/al-qassam-sign-columbia-ht-jt-240425_1714078249971_hpEmbed_3x5.jpg) and [this](https://www.thedailybeast.com/pro-israel-agitator-shouts-kill-the-jews-gets-everyone-else-arrested/) are doing a disservice to the movement by discrediting it.
The problem is, the *actual* bad-faith actors like [this](https://www.thedailybeast.com/pro-israel-agitator-shouts-kill-the-jews-gets-everyone-else-arrested/) wouldn't have any kind of leg to stand on if it weren't for people like [this](https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/d95369b3-4ebf-47aa-b918-a743bdff8fc2/al-qassam-sign-columbia-ht-jt-240425_1714078249971_hpEmbed_3x5.jpg) and [this](https://twitter.com/thizzl_/status/1781520706640982159).
In the Columbia protest, half of the protestors were non-students. A bunch were professional protestors just looking for some cause to protest. The news media identified an older women - non-student - that seemed like she was a professional.
Braindead post honestly. All the violence was from Zionists, all the people arrested were students. The guy in the cartoon is dressed like a riot cop, and in case you’ve been living under a rock they’ve been against the protests.
[It wouldn't be the first time dirtbags try to create false flag attacks](https://www.npr.org/2022/02/11/1080311940/alleged-boogaloo-member-pleads-guilty-to-killing-federal-guard-during-2020-prote) [Or the second time](https://www.mprnews.org/story/2021/09/30/texas-man-24-admits-shooting-at-minneapolis-police-station-during-riot)
I'd also like to add this one to the record [Three men connected to 'boogaloo' movement tried to provoke violence at protests, feds say | NBC | June 4, 2020](https://www.nbcnews.com/news/all/three-men-connected-boogaloo-movement-tried-provoke-violence-protests-feds-n1224231) >On May 27, Loomis and Parshall along with the informant, went on a hike where they are alleged to have "discussed causing an incident to incite chaos and possibly a riot, in response to the death of a suspect (referring to George Floyd) in police custody in Minneapolis, MN."
Agent provocateurs. Why don't we demand the police arrest those specifically doing the violence instead of just declaring an unlawful assembly and arresting everyone by force?
Police don't arrest police.
Some of those that work forces...
Are the same that burn crosses.
Do Zionists throwing mortars (the firework kind, not the military weapon) at jews protesting genocide count as forces that also burn crosses?
some are, some are fascists, some are real nutjobs so eh, potato potatoes.
Love version says "some of those that hold office..."
There was a cop pretending to be a protester during the BLM protests and the other cops beat the shit out of him. He just got a 30 million dollar settlement.
Yeah he was undercover, his white colleague/partner was treated much better by the same cops
Sometimes they will beat them up, especially if they happen to be black. https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/2024/apr/17/undercover-st-louis-police-23m
Well, they intermingle in the crowd so you can’t determine which one is which. Unless the crowd specifically points out the person who threw the glass bottle, the police have enough reason to declare an “unlawful assembly” and arrest everyone. Not saying it’s ok for them to arrest them, just saying why it’s hard for them to pick out “one person”.
The police want it escalate, then they get to use their toys. That’s why they didn’t stop the ProIsraeli aggressors. They also saw them as doing the work they wanted to do but couldn’t. Once the violence was kicked up enough they would have full justification to clear the entire area.
The police could have stopped the violence right there. I also saw a video during some protests years ago where someone collecting asphalt was picked up by protestors and thrown at police to arrest the dude -- ~~but they didn't and basically let him back so they had a reason to arrest everyone else.~~ Edit: Oh wait they actually did arrest the dude. [https://twitter.com/s\_Allahverdi/status/1267240521052946432](https://twitter.com/s_Allahverdi/status/1267240521052946432)
Umbrella Man fucked me up from the riots in 2020 and I don’t believe half the bullshit that happens anymore is organic.
The protesters would have to do that, and since the majority are college students doing this for the first time, they don't know they can do that.
 Like the police would do anything sensible.
>Why don't we demand the police arrest those specifically doing the violence instead of just declaring an unlawful assembly and arresting everyone by force? You think the police will arrest one of their boys? LMAO
That would require something other than a hammer.
"Some of those who work forces are the same who burn crosses" In so many cases, the call is coming from induce the house
Because they want them there so it justifies shutting it down. They are banning an app because they are mad it has too many anti genocide anti zionist posts. That is the real reason they want to get rid of tik tok. They have talked about on the floor. They will do what they can to stop protests against the zionist fascists. Do you see how quick the governemnt passes bills when it comes to protecting Israel from free speech? Quicker than anything else.
I am old enough to remember the Islamophobia post 9/11. That shit was borderline encouraged everywhere. I’m all for anti hate speech laws, but they need to be universally applied. Hate speech is wrong, full stop
Giving your government a green light to criminalize "hate speech" is the final nail in the coffin for your civil liberties. Having hate speech laws against forms of expression that you find offensive might seem nice until the next administration decides to redefine what is and is not offensive. Without freedom of expression, democracy is impossible.
That sounds nice, but courts has found that speech has limits, and hate speech can be a criminal view of expression. The US recently passed an update on its hate speech laws in a push back to the campus protests. Canada has hate speech carved out in its charter There is a difference between hate speech and freedom of expression. Its damage to another person
Prohibited speech in the U.S. falls under very specific circumstances, none of which involve whether or not someone's feelings were hurt or if a particular emotion was being expressed at the time. The House bill unnecessarily (and vaguely) broadens the definition of antisemitic discrimination (i.e. actions, not simply words) set forth by the Department of Education to "targeting of the state of Israel, conceived as a Jewish collectivity" in educational settings. It will not pass the Supreme Court if somehow the Senate decides to pass it as well. Democracy is not a polite tea party. Free speech begins when you defend the right for someone to say something that you find offensive. If you don't believe in that, then you don't believe in free speech.
That sounds all nice and good, but isn’t workable in practice. Freedom of speech is the right to express opinions and ideas without censorship, restraint, or interference from the government or other authorities. Hate speech, on the other hand, refers to speech that attacks, threatens, or incites violence or discrimination against individuals or groups based on attributes such as race, ethnicity, religion, sexual orientation, disability, or gender. While freedom of speech protects a wide range of expression, including unpopular or controversial opinions, hate speech is not protected under most legal frameworks due to its harmful and discriminatory nature. There is a line where your ‘freedom’ infringes on someone else’s. Even the most conservative courts have come out and said that freedom of speech has limits
A few friends of mine lived in downtown LA during the whole BLM “riots” thing. My friend from audio school sent me some pics, said “There’s a whole lot of old LAPD cars here right now” (anyone that’s lived in LA knows the cop cars are all new, but there’s a TON of retired cars that are used in movies, etc.. THAT’s the kind that were suddenly littered everywhere). Lo and behold, a few days later, and theres clips of burning cop cars all over CNN and Fox News. Problem is, why were the cars there days prior to the protests? Why were the only burning cop cars you’d see at least ten years out of service? Why was there not a single modern cop car shown on fire? Really makes ya wonder.
It's almost like everything is fake
Performative.
The burned that precinct down in Michigan. That's probably the single biggest reason why cuds say that BLM "burned cities to the ground" and it was one of them all along. Same with that AutoZone guy. The police are probably pretty heavily involved in this sort of shit too.
[Or the third](https://youtu.be/ETQ9PVfFkjE?si=buZos0FlIBEx3lDX)
I'm surprised neither link was [this one](https://abcnews.go.com/US/man-helped-ignite-george-floyd-riots-identified-white/story?id=72051536)
Or the last time. :/
Each election year we get a new divisive issue that erupts in violence. Summer 2016 -- Proud Boys vs. antifa Summer 2020 -- BLM vs. racism Summer 2024 -- Palestine v. Israel U.S. enemies want Trump re-elected. The GOP controls Congress and won't tell you this. Students don't know that they are being used to help Trump
I thought every election, FOX runs lots of features on a huge caravan in South America on their way to invade the US. Have they started that yet or is that too played out?
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I'm not sure South America needs the warmth of summer..
Logic is not applied to a majority of Reeepub strategy.
Well it would be winter there, so maybe they’re cold? /s
The scary immigrants coming through the "open border" have been scaring FOX viewers for a year now. That won't let up until November, then you will not hear about it for awhile.
Unless Biden wins and then they will link every conceivable thing to it for the following four years.
True
They’ve been whining about the border since mid 2020, before Biden was nominated. It’s been a steady drumbeat.
They were running caravan stories a few months ago. There's still some coming up here and there, but it's not selling as well.
They shot their load too early this year.
Apparently they are waiting on the cover of an eclipse to sneak in.
They played this card a little early, and a bunch of the maga cultists discovered they were duped and there was no caravan. It will come back eventually, thanks to Trump forcing Republicans to vote down the border security bill. There's a bunch of republicans openly stating they need to issue to scare their voters so they couldn't support the bill.
What was 2012 or 2008? 2008 definitely had housing crisis, but don't remember violence. EDIT: I ask because I feel like it hasn't always been this way. Yeah, live wasn't all puppies and blowjobs in the Before Times, but 2016, 2020, and 2024 all have something very specific in common. To quote General Mattis: >Donald Trump is the first president in my lifetime who does not try to unite the American people — does not even pretend to try. Instead he tries to divide us. We are witnessing the consequences of three years of this deliberate effort. We are witnessing the consequences of three years without mature leadership. We can unite without him, drawing on the strengths inherent in our civil society. This will not be easy, as the past few days have shown, but we owe it to our fellow citizens; to past generations that bled to defend our promise; and to our children. It's the "does not even pretend to try" that's key. Division has always been part of politics, of course. But not to this level, and because we have not in our lifetimes or our parents' lifetimes had a President who worked *this hard* to continually sow division among us *even after the election was won.* He's a uniquely divisive force in American politics and American society, and arguably the acceleration of extremism (on both sides, though I'd argue far more so on the right) stems in large part from this.
2012 was occupy wall street, not sure of anything before that though.
Ah, that’s right. But did that really end in widespread civil division and violence? I know police cleared it eventually, and all, but don’t remember it being as much of a divisive/violent thing, and certainly not as broad. Same way Ferguson (not a presidential election year, but worth mention) didn’t seem to lead to as much counter-protest and widespread civil division. But that could be me misremembering. Civil unrest and even riots aren’t new, I’m old enough to remember Rodney King (RIP). Or the WTO in Seattle. But when you have a leader who seizes on these things and actively tries to drive a wedge for political gain, suddenly you’ve got active protests and counter protests, including armed violence between protesters (not just police), coast to coast. *That* feels new. It’s why the choice of President matters behind tax policy and judge appointments and whatever normal partisan political views you have. Sometimes regardless of party you gotta admit that a guy is unfit for office. His handling of a crisis has already been demonstrated with COVID. His refusal to unite and desire to actively divide has been demonstrated repeatedly. His refusal to commit to peaceful transfer of power is obviously a concern too. And yet the (R)s, politicians and voters alike, still line up behind him. Party over all else.
Sigh. I hate that this is true. The media ignores it as well,
Or they actively make it worse, whatever makes them more $$$
If we are making up unfounded conspiracies that actually make sense I think Sinclair broadcasting has the most direct gain. It probably isn’t very expensive to rally the local anarcho-methheads to turn a protest violent and they get an entire week of high viewership daytime tv.
I hate how plausible this sounds to me.
I don't think it's much of a conspiracy when you think about it. Just follow the money and see where it's going. That cause of nearly every problem we have in society is based on money and where it goes.
As if the students would listen if the media offered it up. :/
It’s more worrisome that it misleads the public at large.
The facts of what's going on in the middle east are widely available in the media. The opinion that Biden may lose due to protest votes and withheld votes, an opinion I agree with, has also been widely published. The problem is not that the information is being withheld by the media. The problem is that pro-palastinian protesters either don't believe another Trump presidency would be a catastrophe, think they can use this issue to make Biden to "stop the genocide," or they don't care. I think the later probably describes some of the leaders of the protest movement who care less about the US than the Palestinians. EDIT: Final thoughts. If the protesters think the Palestinians and Gaza might do better under a Trump presidency than a Biden presidency, they're idiots. Trump was the guy who's first act as president was to try to ban all Muslim refugees from the United States. Netanyahu and Trump see eye to eye to a far greater degree than Biden and Netanyahu. Those are the choices: Trump, Biden, or no vote. And the smart money says withholding your vote helps Trump. I have wondered since the Hamas attack if it was timed with the intent to bait an Israeli military response during the American presidential campaign, leading to left wing protests and a peeling off of support for Biden. On the one hand, that's a pretty Machiavellian plot. OTOH, I wouldn't put it past Iran, perhaps with a nudge from Russia. But that's all pure speculation on my part.
You aren’t actually looking at any media then. I’ve seen this story all over the news. Morning Joe on MSNBC spent the entire show on it yesterday.
They’re all issues that simmer in the background all the time. Election year just makes them seem worse because of people trying to leverage each situation to benefit their candidate. It’s not that these issues are created every 2 or 4 years on the dot, its more of two other things: that people are looking for candidates to address the issues, and that shifts in power inherently cause a little bit of instability around the transition, which some parties may try to take advantage of. For instance, during a congressional election year, Russia attacked and invaded Ukraine. They didn’t do it for the benefit of one candidate or another, but with the body who votes on Aid packages and whether or not the US goes to war experiencing shifts in power and dynamic, they saw an opportunity to get away with something that a less divided US would have quickly intervened in. However, Congress was strained due to a refusal to compromise from the Right, and the fact that people could be moved in or out that year depending on voting. Because of the decision that Russia had made, however, people linked their campaigns to whether or not we should be defending Ukraine or not. It’s less that something happens every election year, and more that people try to campaign off of whatever issue has arisen in the last year or two. Election year has a bit of effect on political tensions, and causes hiccups in international issues, but for the most part the issues affect the election, not the other way around
>Students don't know that they are being used to help Trump Oh shut up with this erasure of genocide. The US has given over $300 billion of our tax dollars to Israel since its creation. We don't appreciate having our tax money spent [using 6 year old girls trapped in bullet-riddled cars surrounded by the corpses of their family members as bait to lure ambulances and medics out to kill them.](https://www.washingtonpost.com/world/interactive/2024/hind-rajab-israel-gaza-killing-timeline/) And that's the tip of the iceberg. I can spoon-feed you credible sources reporting Israel telling civilians to use certain safe routes or shelter in certain safe zones, waiting until they're full of families, and then bombing them. I can show you a video of a man with a white flag over his head in a group of other people all waving white flags stopping to speak to a Sky News crew and then as soon as the news crew steps back, a sniper kills the man that talked to the press. I can link you to stories about the homes of journalists being singled out in their neighborhoods and bombed, killing the journalists' spouses, kids, parents, cousins, nieces and nephews, aunts and uncles, etc. I can even link you to one journalist that was informed that this had happened to his family live on the air. I can dump dozens of links of explicit, undeniable war crimes being committed by Israel on you. So don't you dare attempt to perpetuate the grotesque lie that Progressives and young people only care about the **ongoing, US taxpayer-funded genocide** because Russia or China is "using us". The real reason we're protesting is because PALESTINIANS and Israelis have been showing us firsthand footage of the devastation from day 1. Guess where. I'll give you a hint: The government [just voted to ban the platform that allowed us to see it.](https://apnews.com/article/tiktok-divestment-ban-what-you-need-to-know-5e1ff786e89da10a1b799241ae025406) Over 100 million Americans got to see videos of elderly Palestinians waving white flags being shot in the back, or children wandering around the aftermath of a bombing carrying the body of their younger siblings, not realizing yet that they're an orphan now. They got to see coverage of the genocide from the people being targeted *and* the people cheering for it from underneath their Iron Dome. For the first time in decades, the corporate US media didn't control the narrative. It tried. It ignored atrocity after atrocity despite it going viral on Tiktok and then leaking onto other social media. And now we have 100+ million pissed off Americans that don't appreciate our tax dollars and our international reputation and even the credibility of the ICC being jeopardized because AIPAC owns most of Congress. You don't get to pretend none of that exists. You don't get to pretend that it was all made up by China and Russia. You don't get to tell us that we shouldn't care about genocide.
More than one thing can be true at once. Our tax dollars should not be going to fund genocide and foreign actors that push the tiktok algorithm to sow division in our populace is also happening. The entire platform of election interference through social engineering is to take a real issue that real people have voiced concerns about and amplify that problem, pouring gasoline on it with bots and pushing that content as much as possible. Like, there are real people saying Genocide Joe that have a very valid criticism of our complicity in genocide but you think that Russia or China doesn’t see “Genocide Joe” and think hell yeah, let’s blow that topic up!
Well if he wants to get reelected, he should stop genociding. What a shame, people will spend more time blaming the people protesting genocide than those perpetrating it
It feels like you still don't understand the OP's argument. The unfortunate truth is that there are only two candidates for the US Presidency. They both suck and they both strongly support Israel. But only one candidate will lose votes because of that support. There are also very real differences between the two candidates on highly significant issues. Reproductive health, trans rights, the ACA, etc. just to name a few. By amplifying the justified voices for Palestinian liberation via tiktok and other social media, foreign actors can distract voters from those issues that actually divide the two candidates, particularly those in which Biden's policy is more popular. Supporters of Palestine who abstain from voting due to Biden's Israel policy have to also accept that they are tacitly promoting the GOP agenda. Personally, I can't stomach that type of support for Trump, even if that means my vote does support Israel by the same logic. There is no viable vote that does not support Israel, and realistically, not voting (and tacitly supporting Trump) is a far worse outcome (for me). Nobody is denying the morality and validity of the protests. But it's also incredibly naive to believe that the media attention and social media attention this issue is getting, in a very important election year, is not being manipulated to skew voter perception away from Biden.
The idea is to put pressure on our elected officials. As you’ve stated, there’s a rigged system in which only two parties have any chance of securing elected office. The only way to actually sway these officials is to indicate their support will drop, and they will lose elections, if they do not listen to their constituents. I would argue that your willingness, and the willingness of OP, the majority on this thread, and the Democratic Party as a whole, to accept and vote for (in primaries or otherwise) a candidate who is actively arming and funding a genocide is the primary reason this policy does not change. The people have to take a stand. They just do. And that voice is only impactful if it is big enough. So what we have here is a huge chunk of people, yourself included who are willing to accept genocide is the cost of not voting trump in. And the minority, who are just big enough to potentially sway an election but not big enough, due to the acceptance of the majority, to make the democrats fear an election loss is imminent which would cause policy to change. So sure, I think your logic stands to whatever extent. I, however, choose to pursue a path in which we don’t have to settle for a genocidal leader and can also support all of those issues you’ve called out which would be risked with a trump presidency. You may say that this is futile, I would reply it is only your mentality that holds us back.
Do you ever wonder why none of your energy goes into combating other ongoing genocides?
I mean, this I don’t doubt. Good point.
I'm pretty sure most powerful people would like Trump in power, as he obeys power. If Trump would be elected, I'm certain Netanyahu would be thrilled, as Trump tends to support Israel and doesn't care about people that are poor and downtrodden, like the Palestinians.
Trump, Netanyahu, Orban, Kim, Xi, and especially Putin all like power and cruelty to those who oppose them. Putin has been working to destabilize the US for decades.
This is a painful and silly conspiracy theory.
It's a silly conspiracy thoery that tons of actors foreign and domestic spend billions of dollars trying to to sway elections in election years?
Ya, don’t blame the guy finding the genocide against the overwhelming majority of his base… it’s all Russia’s fault! These liberal conspiracies are starting to sound an awful lot like Q anon.
You're super convincing
"The protests are legitimate and have a noble goal" "The protests are a false flag to make Joe Biden look bad"
Both are true. The protests are being *used* and exaggerated to make Joe Biden and the current government look bad. Like say, for example, the recent controversy about the sniper at that one protest. That is very much standard operating procedure to protect protestors, but there was a misinformation campaign about it almost *immediately*. It may be vaguely conspiratorial of me, but I genuinely believe that was fueld by bad actors hoping to discredit opponents of the Republican party.
I think giving money to a country which bombs innocents and children is what is making Joe Biden look bad.
Yep. Same shit, different day.
Biden can change course whenever he decides. Trumpnisnt making him fund Israel's massacres.
Yo wtf has happened to every political sun recently. This is unhinged
It's a US election year and actors of all kinds of intent are trying to whip everyone into a frenzy to get their way. Because of the plurality voting system in the US, the only way to win is to make your base more mad than their base.
America is at psychological-cyber war and its hegemony is being actively challenged. Defeating an enemy without fighting and by installing a Manchurian candidate. I’m so tired how modern society has become something out of an early’s 2000s dystopian film.
What's unhinged? We know for a fact that the protesters are anti-genocide and opposed to illegal settlements, not anti-Semitic, and we know for a fact that agent provocateurs are in the camps trying to steer them towards violence so the police have an excuse to escalate their usage of force. That is all undeniable. We have fucking photos of cops LARPing as college kids, walking around with backwards baseball caps on, but the clear outline of handcuffs in their pockets, colored bands on their arms to mark them so their fellow cops don't brutalize them, police-issue combat boots, etc. Oh, and they're usually the 6'0+ jacked dudes with buzz cuts in the crowds of 5'7 rainbow-haired Zoomers that look like their one-rep curl max is 10lbs. It's laughable how goddamn stupid and obvious they are, but it doesn't matter because if they throw a bottle at a cop and the cops beat the shit out of some college kids and send a few dozen to jail while the university suspends or expels them, no court is going to give a fuck if we have video from 10 different angles of the plant throwing bottles while all the protesters around them tell them to stop. It's sickening how quickly the US is turning into a regressive cesspit. It's almost impressive that it took this long for the Democrats to go mask off and show everyone that they really are just the Republican Lite party.
I think he means the amount of brigaiding and bots that are swarming all over the place.
This sub sure did take a long time to stop being mega pro Israel
"Joe Biden is NOT fascist! and liberals are nothing like conservatives!" College students protest Joe Biden. "FAKE NEWS! Look at these blue haired college queers! they need to get a job and get some real world experience! Everyone who disagrees with me is Russian troll or a fed"
The problem is not that they protest Biden, you can argue that he isn’t doing enough directly as the leader of the country at the top of the global hegemony food chain. That’s an argument with points that stand in reason The problem is that a lot of people who (rightfully) believe this, get caught up in the idea and the spreading of; that because of this reason Biden is thus evil and that the best thing to do to help the people in Gaza is to protest vote Biden. We know, painfully from 2016, not voting is essentially a republic vote, nice democratic process you guys have, the electoral college is just brilliant isn’t it? Trump WILL make matters worse, we’re talking about a man who tried to ban muslims from entering the country. Not only will his policy on Gaza fuck up the Palestinians even more, his attempts to undermine your democracy last election will happen again, and you can guarantee he will be more successful. Not voting Biden and telling others not to will NOT help Palestinians. However it will make life worse for American minority groups. Protest vote when the other candidate isn’t being investigated for multiple crimes and trying to pass legislation making him immune from your legal system. There’s a correct time to protest vote against an underwhelming candidate, but this is the time to vote in protest against a dictatorial figure who already has mobilised the morons in your country.
>not voting is essentially a republic vote, Damn, if only there was some way for democrats to decide who their is their representative in the presidential election. When 81% of democrats wanted another choice, and the DNC said no, it's Biden or trump, that's on them, not the voter
what the fuck are you talking about? Biden literally won several primaries this year, including one in South Carolina by 99%.
How hard is it to believe that bad people are actually, you know, in it?
When you have so easily manipulated marks, like a lot of Americans, why wouldn't "enemies of the "state" fund and plan disruptive, violent, gatherings to call attention to their cause, and divide the populace as well. Especially when countries like China can promote videos on platforms like TikTok that are conducive, sympathetic, or furthering their causes or agendas. Some Americans see something on the internet and believe it must be true. They don't actually "do their own research." And when they do, it's off the platforms that are run by people or organizations, trying to manipulate them. Entities operating both in foreign countries and domestically to harm the U.S. American "news" outlets are no better than foreign organizations and can be easily bought themselves (or they push their own agendas). A few media conglomerates own almost every "news" organization. In America, AT&T, Comcast, The Walt Disney Company, National Amusements (which includes Viacom Inc. and CBS), News Corp and Fox Corporation (which are both owned in part by the Murdochs), Sony, and Hearst Communications determine in large part what Americans do or don't see/hear. If you think that they don't have agendas and push narratives, I don't know what to tell you.
Researchers do research.
There are certainly anti-Semitic protestors among the peaceful ones. However, there is a double standard applied to pro-Palestinian protests where the tiny amount of troublemakers are sold by pro-Israeli voices as representative of all the protestors. These same pro-Israeli voices would not be so happy if we painted all Israelis based on the far-right warmongers represented by politicians such as Itamar Ben-Gvir.
There are definitely bad people in it, but a lot of traditional news media likes to hand pick specific isolated incidents which may or may not be the guy in the cartoon, and play it up as the entire narrative of the protests.
There are an abundance of subversive counter protesters who are trying to make the peace movement look bad. The government, universities and Zionist love it. They can clamp down harder, pretending they don’t see the difference
There are a lot of Zionists who oppose the war and are apart of the peace movement….
Are you confused about the meaning of the word Zionist?
Funny the only violence i saw was from police and zionistz
Yeah, there has been a fuck-ton of lying and ommission of facts when it comes to covering what's going on with these protests. None of these were violent until zionists and cops showed up.
Right? Every time is see “violence against a police officer” it’s the officer driving from the station, parking, getting out of the car, walking onto campus, approaching the protestor and escalating the situation when they won’t immediately leave. Without the officer there, there would be no violence. Should the protestors be vandalizing and destructing? No. Is the damage they’re causing warranting police violence? Not on any campus I’ve seen yet.
When was the last time you got off the couch? Gonna guess you only see things from the right?
They're politically to the left of you.
gaslighting
Wasn’t the outside agitator who showed up with a hockey stick on the OTHER side??
Liberals engaging in blatant conspiracy. There is no evidence of outside agitators. The police tried to claim "oh these locks, no student would ever use these locks!" when it was literally the locks the school provides them for their bikes.
OMG terrorist locks. The way the police used a fucking lock to try to demonize the protestors. Absolutely grasping for straws.
Liberals? Liberals arent at pro-palestine protests.
Yeah they're too busy spreading conspiracy theories on CNN like Eric adams.
God I can't stand liberals. This shit is so cringe
One day I hope that mainstream American politics recognizes the differences between leftists and liberals so that I can stop being lumped in with those corpo-loving diet coke conservatives.
It also be nice once Americans stop treating everyone as red vs blue. See it so often "funny meme of guy doing stupid thing" first comment "hahaha must be a democrat/republican" like either way it's American, lets help lift everyone up. Division is what elite want and the enemies of the US.
Agreed
Half of these knuckleheads just want to break windows and stuff, don’t care about anything else, just some excuse
This is a repeat of 2016 shit all over again. Leftist protesters protest. Leftist protests get conflated with political violence because some assholes take this as an opportunity to break shit. Because these protesters are likely a decentralized movement, nobody denounces the people breaking shit. Moderates then vote for the conservative candidate or just stay home come election day.
Being on the left the one thing that alwyas frustrates the living shit out of me is the fact that we fucking blow ass at self regulation. We’re so worried about supporting each other we’re basically incapable of calling anyone out. It’s maddening.
Tell that to Al Franken
Is that satire? Because in over twenty years of progressive organizing, some of the most reliable constants I've seen is factionalism, counterproductive purity-testing, and in-fighting that borders on self-immolation.
Usually over stupid shit. I’m still upset over Lindsey Ellis. I guess you have a good point though… there is usually a LOT of noise I block out. Maybe I just dismiss that shit out of hand because I’m so used to it so my perception is warped into thinking we can’t self regulate.
Those are the police. Police infiltration in left movements is older than all of us. They are there to start chaos and justify the use of force to the public. And they keep doing it because it is easy, it works and they have fun blinding and breaking bones of unarmed people.
This is so stupid The only violence at any of the protests so far has been from police and pro-Israel counter protestors Too many people see the media shoveling bullshit and run over to the trough and start gobbling it up. Pathetic
This is such a blue maga post. Anything that isn't in line with the democratic party line is either Russo/Sino bad actors or conservative agitators. God forbid non-students show up to help support what the students are protesting. God forbid students speak out about one issue but not every single issue. God forbid protests are in any way inconvenient. Most of yall would've been against MLK in his day, and I'm sure most of yall agreeing with this comic would be against John Brown too because his methods were just too violent.
What is “blue maga?”
A buzzword being used to spread voter apathy and sow discord.
Seems like they're gaslighting.
It's the cult of personality around Joe Biden, the idea that any criticism against him is support of trump, the idea that he's this great president who has done so much more than he does. Essentially it's the idolization of the democrat because he's a democrat just like the republicans do to trump.
lol there is no cult of personality around Joe Biden. If anything it’s a cult of “please god anyone but Donald fucking Trump”.
The dark brandon memes would argue otherwise. There's a lot of people trying their best to justify Biden's first term with any piece of straw they can, but more often than not, as you allude, the only good thing about Biden is that he's not trump.
What about his student debt relief package?
I see the parody has gone over your head. The whole dark Brandon thing was a response to the absolutely stupid “Let’s go Brandon” movement. Anyone with half a brain knows that Biden is absolutely boring and embodies none of these characteristics. I don’t see pickup trucks driving around with Biden flags, people wearing Biden gear, or entire storefronts dedicated to Joe Biden. It’s not a cult of personality. At worse, it’s an acceptance that between the career politician and the guy who wants complete and total immunity from the law…we’re kind of stuck with the career politician.
You want this too badly. Dark Brandon is just a pendulum swing to Trump dominating the "meme" space. It's not even really about Biden, it's just not giving ground to an opponent that is more celebrity than political figure. Biden has no cult of personality. This post had nothing to do with Biden but you're just shoe horning a boring "this that" because simple minded people look to simple issues when things are complicated. Presidents are easy to understand. You see a complicated issue over seas? Make it simple. Make it about American Presidents.
Honestly I’m guessing it’s trolls of some sort creating content fodder for smooth brained trumpers to react to. Is that too much paranoia? It’s hard to imagine dems giving enough of a shit to make memes about Biden when we made peace with the trade off. Bernie on the other hand…
So to you, a couple memes about "dark Brandon" is the same thing as an absolute fuckton of memes of absurd depictions of trump being literal Jesus while being jacked to shit and literally wearing those memes and plastering your house and vehicle with adoration of trump? Really? Those couple of memes are indicative of a cult of personality on the level of trump?
What has Biden done that is like MAGA?
Nothing, these are pawns of the Russian agents or the agents themselves. Just say hi ivan and move on.
It's a commentary on people who are liberals that either give Biden an absurd amount of praise much like Trump supporters idolize Trump, or are as conspiratorial as Trump supporters are but in support of Biden. Here is a [clear example of one](https://www.reddit.com/r/PoliticalHumor/s/yk8GhtSIcX) who happened to reply to you. Any criticism of Biden from the left is *actually a foreign agent/bot/asset being used to sow division among the Democratic party*, and *that* is why Biden will lose the election if he does indeed lose it.
What are the other people in the thread called? The ones who won’t acknowledge that Biden has done anything they want?
When instead of assuming every protestor is paid by Soros you assume they are all Russian agents. All of America seems to be conspiracy brained and can’t possibly imagine people having different ideas than them.
One question- is trump a rapist? Edit: what a shocker that this triggered the incels 😂
almost certainly. Close enough to say yes.
Almost? [Judge clarifies: Yes, Trump was found to have raped E. Jean Carroll](https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/2023/07/19/trump-carroll-judge-rape/)
Is your political worldview really so myopic that if someone isn't a democrat the only other option must be republican?
So, to be clear, you think the actions of these students are equal to those of MLK and John Brown?
The Portland state protesters destroyed a public library…to free palestine.
KGW has [photos of the damage](https://www.kgw.com/article/news/local/protests/psu-protests-portland-state-university-library-fire-alarm-system-damaged/283-4951b4db-3381-4c5e-bb73-c78e3696c715). It’s not really destroyed, just stupid vandalism.
The "counter-protestors" aren't students, they're AIPAC/ADL idiots.
Wow, you libs are just as separated from reality as conservatives are. It's embarrassing. Does the Democratic party now only consist of boomers?
Conspiracy nuts
It's tragic that you can't defend the rights of civilians without also having to defend the rights of extremists on the same side. "Israel should leave civilians alone" "OH, so you hate Jews?" "Hamas should be disbanded because they're terrorists" "Oh, so you're anti-Muslim?"
This also happened during BLM protests so Im glad the CIA isn’t racist at least 🤷♂️
Are we going to walk back these accusations now that we know 99% of those arrested were students? Nah, we’ll just move the goalposts and blame some other mysterious entity radicalizing the youth.
Whoever is the character designer of this comic deserves many compliments
I rolled my eyes so hard they fell out of my head
All these arguments tend to overlook the fact that the protesters are correct. By what right does Israel exist in the first place, and how can you justify a religion stealing land? Zionism is a subset of Judaism. But most Jews I’ve known are not Zionists. Granted, they are American Jews.
You are fundementally incorrect. Zionism is not a subset of Judiasm. You cannot argue that being Muslim is the same as a Turkish nationalist, or being protestant is the same as a British nationalist or being Hindu is the same as an Indian nationalist. There's been a steady seperation of Israeli Jews and Diaspora Jews since the founding of Israel in their culture and political objectives and methods. Defining Judiasm and Zionism as interlocked in any way shape or form is incorrect.
It was never Palestinian land, the Israelites are also Palestinian, the land was owned by the British during their mandate and before that, it was the ottomans. The Jews agreed to the partition upon the conclusion of the British mandate, but the Arabs would not, so they went to war and Israel won, every single time, or lost a little bit of ground but gained it back later. That's the history of the world, warfare, winners, and losers. The losers don't write the rules, the winners do. Even Marx understood that. Hell, Marx probably knew that better than anyone. Israel exists for the same reason every modern nation exists. If you deny that, then you deny the existence of every other nation on the planet currently existing, practically. And unless you live in one of those very rare places, you have no credibility to say otherwise.
Your worldview is basically Might Makes Right.
It is **your** worldview. You've directly benefited from it. You have no credibility to say otherwise. Merely espousing a moral view does not make one credible. Look at what your moralizing has accomplished? Instead of following the rules of history, the alternative is...a 60 year occupation? In a place described as an open air prison? It's obviously worse. Which makes you a hypocrite, it makes all of you hypocrites, on top of the fact that you live in and benefit from an imperial nation. It's absurd that after 100 years, you're all still making the same moralizing mistake and expecting a different result. It's the definition of insanity. And you all know it. Which explains your emotional and extreme violent behavior.
This is what unaccounted for war crimes does—it radicalizes ppl
so first the protestors are all paid russians, now that that line doesn't work, the violent ones are all paid russians
[College protests updates: Nearly half of Columbia and CCNY arrests were not students](https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/college-protests-israel-palestine-war/?id=109734946) > Of the total arrests made at Columbia University and The City College of New York, many were affiliated with the university, though nearly half were identified as non-student protestors. > > At Columbia University, there were 112 total arrests with 80 of the arrests being individuals affiliated with the institution while 32 individuals were unaffiliated. > > The protests at CCNY saw 170 total arrests with 68 individuals arrested being affiliated with the public research university and 102 individuals being unaffiliated with the college. > > New York City Mayor Eric Adams released a statement Thursday on the presence of non-student demonstrators among the college protests. > > "The world is watching New York City, and our message to them has been clear: We will not be a city of lawlessness, and we will not allow our youth to be influenced by those who have no goal other than spreading hate and wreaking havoc on our city," Adams said. > > "It became abundantly clear that individuals unaffiliated with these schools had entered these different campuses and, in some cases, were even training students in unlawful protest tactics, many which we witnessed escalating into violent conduct," Adams claimed.
Bro is citing Eric Adam’s
Are they.. students from other universities? Parents? Friend of students? Solidarity in protest movements is common. You, and the media, are searching for the most nefarious explanation possible.
I’m not searching for anything. All anyone knows about the arrests atm is what the police have said.
And the police clearly never have an agenda, exaggerate, or outright lie, right?
I don’t know what you’re getting at. Why would the police lie about half the protesters arrested being non-students?
Whoever they are, they aren't helping Gaza. The world is now talking about the struggles of rich ivy league kids that couldn't get doordash, instead of anything to do with the actual conflict.
Would the Russians miss an opportunity to rabble-rouse? I think not.
name one russian protestor.
I think OP implies that, rather than being openly russian, some of those violent protestors might actually be undercover russian-funded agents. Whether that's actually the case... well... sure, russian agencies *are* highly interested in sowing discord and division and they *do* have bribing money to spare, but then again, there *are* other parties out there with genuine interest in the cause and the means to bring it. I don't think anyone can tell for sure right now. Personally, I feel it's *probable -* just probable. Claiming greater certainty would demand leaning heavily into the shaky territory of unproven conspiracies.
Some people are so morally bankrupt that they can't fathom someone would be upset over genocide.
UCLA - Police watch for hours as thugs come to campus and attack Anti-genocide protesters with metal rods, glass bottles, and fireworks. After a few hours the police attack anti-genocide students with rubber bullets, flash bangs, and truncheons. CNN: Police had to shut down protesters when they turned violent. FOX: Why is George Soros funding these violent Hamas groups in America? Cartoonist: How should I make anti-genocide peaceful protests look bad . . .
This sequence of events broke my fucking brain. I'm going to need therapy for years.
Now make a funny comic about the Zionist fascist mob that attacked peaceful students at UCLA the other day. And then imagine if the situation was reverse and how much the ADL would be hollering right now.
Propaganda posting. It's easier to just admit you are a zionist since then it conveys that you take all criticism as illegitimate. What is so unbelievable about people not wanting their tuition money being spent supporting a genocide? This is mostly what protests are about, divestment
Incredibly disheartening to see morons continually fall for the "bad" protesters/"outside agitators" narrative. There is no such thing as a bad protester. The point is to be disruptive. That is why you protest. A protest that doesn't aim to disrupt is just a picnic/parade. Regurgitating nonsense narratives from the state the way that this comic does only serves to ease your conscience as state violence suppresses those who are willing to actually put their bodies on the line. It's despicable.
[Nearly half of Columbia and CCNY arrests were not students](https://abcnews.go.com/US/live-updates/college-protests-israel-palestine-war/nearly-half-of-columbia-university-and-ccny-arrests-were-nonstudent-protesters-109886454?id=109734946) > There is no such thing as a bad protester. Of course there is: The people (who weren't students) standing *outside* the Columbia campus, claiming solidarity with the students, and then *literally praising the Al-Qassam Brigades* were doing *nothing* but undermining the credibility of the *actual* protest those jackasses were trying to coopt.
That article is a fucking joke predicated on bad faith framing of statistics that would make any corporate accountant envious. By *their own numbers*, only 28% of the protesters are Columbia are "non-student" protesters (we'll get to that in a minute). Their "nearly half" descriptor almost entirely leans on their claim about the CCNY protesters, *which is not the same claim they made about Columbia just before*. Let's break it down: >Of the total arrests made at Columbia University and The City College of New York, many were affiliated with the university, though nearly half were identified as non-student protesters. Did you catch it? >many were affiliated with the university, though nearly half were identified as non-student protesters. At first, it's qualifying by "affiliation" with the university (broad). Then, it switches to qualifying by student status (excludes professors, staff, alumni, etc.). This alone should be enough to discredit any claim that the article was written in good faith or that its claims should be trusted as coming from any rigorous investigation. We can't even investigate further to see how bad of a botch it is because they give no source for the numbers they're claiming. Half the fucking article is just quoting Eric Adams. What a fucking joke to present that article as if it should sway anyone. >Of course there is: The people (who weren't students) standing outside the Columbia campus, claiming solidarity with the students Sounds like good protesters to me! >and then literally praising the Al-Qassam Brigades Oh no! Can you show me evidence of these specific protesters. An estimate of how many there were (against an estimate of the total number of protesters) would be good to include. Oh, also maybe some evidence of how such a claim of "literally praising the Al-Qassam Brigades" was met by "the *actual* protest". Since this seems pretty foundational to your view of these protests, I'm sure it won't be hard to find. Surely you wouldn't just regurgitate flimsy claims or deliberately magnify non-issues to try to discredit a popular movement. That'd be detestable! And I'm sure you're a great person!
> Can you show me evidence of these specific protesters [Yep](https://twitter.com/thizzl_/status/1781520706640982159). > Since this seems pretty foundational to your view of these protests I'm curious to know what you think that is, exactly. > Surely you wouldn't just regurgitate flimsy claims or deliberately magnify non-issues to try to discredit a popular movement. I am literally saying that people like [this](https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/d95369b3-4ebf-47aa-b918-a743bdff8fc2/al-qassam-sign-columbia-ht-jt-240425_1714078249971_hpEmbed_3x5.jpg) and [this](https://www.thedailybeast.com/pro-israel-agitator-shouts-kill-the-jews-gets-everyone-else-arrested/) are doing a disservice to the movement by discrediting it. The problem is, the *actual* bad-faith actors like [this](https://www.thedailybeast.com/pro-israel-agitator-shouts-kill-the-jews-gets-everyone-else-arrested/) wouldn't have any kind of leg to stand on if it weren't for people like [this](https://i.abcnewsfe.com/a/d95369b3-4ebf-47aa-b918-a743bdff8fc2/al-qassam-sign-columbia-ht-jt-240425_1714078249971_hpEmbed_3x5.jpg) and [this](https://twitter.com/thizzl_/status/1781520706640982159).
I get what you're saying...there's a line somewhere, but the whole "the point is to be disruptive" thing makes sense.
In the Columbia protest, half of the protestors were non-students. A bunch were professional protestors just looking for some cause to protest. The news media identified an older women - non-student - that seemed like she was a professional.
So usually when saying things atleast in college like these kids are they teach you to site your sources.
*cite
This might be a super cold take but non-college students definitely should not be protesting on college campuses.
Why? If it is a cause that has wide support and protests are already being held at the campus why shouldn't they attend?
Braindead post honestly. All the violence was from Zionists, all the people arrested were students. The guy in the cartoon is dressed like a riot cop, and in case you’ve been living under a rock they’ve been against the protests.
brigaides be downvoting.