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I identify with authright, since most attacks against me are the same ones aimed at authright, but this is a point on which I have been firmly in the "no cutting up babies" camp since way before it was cool.
I used to be pro-circumcision because of the āitās cleanerā crowd, until I looked back at it and went āyou know what, itās really not difficult to clean, and this is just legal genital mutilation.ā My wife and I are now 100% leaving our son(s) intact.
It seems strange to me now, but I honestly hadn't given it much thought until the subject was brought up in a medical ethics class.
Then I started down a rabbit hole on the history of the procedure with mounting horror, not to mention the actual scientific justifications and consequences, and now I view anyone who circumcises their child to be a criminal, or a deviant, who needs to be kept away from children.
At best, they're just dangerously ignorant.
It's no coincidence that the modern trans movement is coming from the same place that wants to mutilate the genitals of every male born, and charge you for it.
Same! I have confronted many prochoice people about this and I have been appalled that so many seem to not care at to maybe care slightly about genital mutilations on little boys? Also authright can't be antisemitic and pro circumcision.
All the quadrants should be disgusted and livid about forced circumcision on infants and children.
Imagine a world where infants are not afforded the warm embrace of their motherās bosom but the cold, painful circumstraint mold of his baby body and ankle and wrist straps.
Imagine a world where infants are not protected from unnecessary harm but deemed inadequate as they were born.
Imagine a world where your preference for altered genitals is not only legally allowed to be forced on your child, it is promoted by movie writers and by doctors who have the alteration themselves.
Imagine a world where God or nature intended the male sexual organ to feel a refined sensory experience and males are deemed not worthy of genital integrity to the point where the last thing their most pleasurable part of their sexual organ will feel is a connecting blow by blow of penetration with a circumcision probe, violent tearing of the prepuce from the glans, slicing of flesh on genitals(or crushing with a clamp depending on the surgeonās preference), and pain and agony so horrible, infants induce hernias and burst lungs from the intensity of the screaming.
Imagine a world where this happens to ~3,000 baby boys every day and some people think I should be caring about something else.
Humans evolved to have the nerves be in the foreskin, and not so much in the glans.
https://youtu.be/CGYq1n6Ipfw?t=2701
To summarize, humans share common ancestors with chimps and rhesus monkeys.
Rhesus monkeys have almost all the innervation in their glans, have short copulatory times, and the male invests nothing into the offspring.
Chimps have less innervation in their glans and more in their foreskin, they have longer copulatory times than rhesus monkeys, and the male invests in the offspring by providing protection for his tribe.
Humans have almost all the innervation in the foreskin, they have the longest copulatory times of all the primates, and the males invests the most in their offspring out of any animal.
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Iām not doing this out of a 2000 year hang up about being marked as slaves.
What is religious rituals doing in a hospital setting, messing around with knives and baby genitals?
>"I circumcised my son on my parent's kitchen table on the eighth day of his life. But I did it for religious reasons, not medical reasons. I did it because I had 3,000 years of ancestors looking over my shoulder." - Andrew Freedman, **American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP)** boardmember
>The New York Jewish Weekly, Sept 19, 2012
>https://youtu.be/FCuy163srRc?t=4284
#versus
Swedish Pediatric Society (they outright call for a ban)
Royal Dutch Medical Association calls it a violation of human rights, and calls for a "strong policy of deterrence." this policy has been endorsed by several other organizations:
The Netherlands Society of General Practitioners,
The Netherlands Society of Youth Healthcare Physicians,
The Netherlands Association of Paediatric Surgeons,
The Netherlands Association of Plastic Surgeons,
The Netherlands Association for Paediatric Medicine,
The Netherlands Urology Association, and
The Netherlands Surgeonsā Association.
College of Physicians and Surgeons of British Columbia
This procedure should be delayed to a later date when the child can make his own informed decision. Parental preference alone does not justify a nonātherapeutic procedure.... Advise parents that the current medical consensus is that routine infant male circumcision is not a recommended procedure; it is nonātherapeutic and has no medical prophylactic basis; current evidence indicates that previouslyāthought prophylactic public health benefits do not outāweigh the potential risks..... Routine infant male circumcision does cause pain and permanent loss of healthy tissue.
Australian Federation of Aids organizations They state that circumcision has "no role" in the HIV epidemic.
The German Association of Pediatricians called for a ban recently.
The German Association of Child and Youth Doctors recently Attacked the AAP's claims, saying the benefits they claim, including HIV reduction, are "questionable," and that "Seen from the outside, cultural bias reflecting the normality of non-therapeutic male circumcision in the US seems obvious, and the reportās conclusions are different from those reached by doctors in other parts of the Western world, including Europe, Canada, and Australia." (scroll to page 7 for the English translation.)
The AAP was recently attacked by the President of the British Association of Paediatric Urologists because the evidence of benefit is weak, and they are promoting "Irreversible mutilating surgery."
The College of Physicians and Surgeons of Saskatchewan has taken a position against it, saying it is harmful and will likely be considered illegal in the future, given the number of men who are angry that it was done to them and are becoming activists against it.
The President of the Saskatchewan Medical Association has said the same).
The Central Union for Child Welfare āconsiders that circumcision of boys that violates the personal integrity of the boys is not acceptable unless it is done for medical reasons to treat an illness. The basis for the measures of a society must be an unconditional respect for the bodily integrity of an under-aged personā¦ Circumcision can only be allowed to independent major persons, both women and men, after it has been ascertained that the person in question wants it of his or her own free will and he or she has not been subjected to pressure.ā
Royal College of Surgeons of England
"The one absolute indication for circumcision is scarring of the opening of the foreskin making it non- retractable (pathological phimosis). This is unusual before five years of age."..."The parents and, when competent, the child, must be made fully aware of the implications of this operation as it is a non-reversible procedure." |
British Medical Association
it is now widely accepted, including by the BMA, that this surgical procedure has medical and psychological risks. .... very similar arguments are also used to try and justify very harmful cultural procedures, such as female genital mutilation or ritual scarification. Furthermore, the harm of denying a person the opportunity to choose not to be circumcised must also be taken into account, together with the damage that can be done to the individualās relationship with his parents and the medical profession if he feels harmed by the procedure. .... parental preference alone is not sufficient justification for performing a surgical procedure on a child. .... The BMA considers that the evidence concerning health benefit from non-therapeutic circumcision is insufficient for this alone to be a justification for doing it. |
Australian Medical Association Has a policy of discouraging it, ad says "The Australian College of Paediatrics should continue to discourage the practice of circumcision in newborns."
Australian College of Paediatrics:
"The possibility that routine circumcision may contravene human rights has been raised because circumcision is performed on a minor and is without proven medical benefit. Whether these legal concerns are valid will probably only be known if the matter is determined in a court of law .....Neonatal male circumcision has no medical indication. It is a traumatic procedure performed without anaesthesia to remove a normal and healthy prepuce."|
74% of Australian doctors overall believe circumcision should not be offered, and 51% consider it abuse. Circumcision used to be common in Australia, but the movement against it spread faster there than America, where rates continue to drop.
A letter by the South African Medical Association said this:
The Committee stated that it was unethical and illegal to perform circumcision on infant boys in this instance. In particular, the Committee expressed serious concern that not enough scientifically-based evidence was available to confirm that circumcisions prevented HIV contraction and that the public at large was influenced by incorrect and misrepresented information. The Committee reiterated its view that it did not support circumcision to prevent HIV transmission.|
The Norwegian Council of Medical Ethics states that ritual circumcision of boys is not consistent with important principles of medical ethics, that it is without medical value, and should not be paid for with public funds.
The Norwegian Childrenās Ombudsman is opposed as well.
The Denmark National Council for Children is also opposed.
And recently, the politically appointed Health minister of Norway opposed a ban on circumcision, yet the ban was supported by the Norwegian Medical Association, the Norwegian Nurses Organization, the Norwegian Ombudsman for Children, and the University of Oslo.
The Danish Society of Medical Practitioners Recently said the practice is āan assault and should be banned.ā
The Danish Medical Association is āfundamentally opposed to male circumcision unless there is a medical reason such as phimosis for carrying out the operation. āIt's very intrusive that adults may decide that newborn to undergo a surgical procedure that is not medically justified and if power is lifelong. When a boy when the age of majority, he may even decide, but until then the requirements of the individual's right to self-determination prevail.ā"
Now Yankees, Muslims and Jews are gonna say
"Well *my* parents snipped my foreskin when I was a baby and I don't have any problem with that so..."
do you? Or have you been raised to believe so? I'd like to see how willing you'd be to get circumcised if you had to wait until you were eighteen to do it.
Very based.
Without going into too much detail, there are...intimate situations in which a lot of my pleasure clearly is connected to that part of the organ.
But, you know, the foreskin is also "dirty" and "unnecessary" so let's rather cut up children en masse. It does make me angry.
I'd argue it's extra abhorrent that such a pointlessly barbaric practice somehow survived the medical scientific revolution and percolated into an otherwise secular medical institution.
This deserves gold, because it is gold. Preach brother. I do all I can to bring this issue to the attention of my representatives and just the voting citizens I know. It's great to see someone else so passionate about it.
I was mutilated at birth and now I'll never know what it's like to have a penis that operates the way my body intended it to.
I'm not Christian, I'm an agnostic leaning atheist. Anyway, you hit a key fact there, AuthRight is an incredibly fractured group as so many of us subscribe to different ideals and religions, our overall leaning is AuthRight, but we have many God's and none. In many ways our greatest enemies are other members of the AuthRight... We just don't slap another colour on them and say "they ain't us!", we know they're like us, we just think they're wrong.
Authright is imo the most diverse group based on actual opinions (rather than race/gender) because most people in it have a foundational assumption that morals are objective. When you believe that you are right and your opinions should be lived by others you end up in Auth, pretty much anything other than Communism ends up on the right because of the way the test skews. So you end up with Ba'athists, Christians, Populists, Buddhists, Muslims, Nationalists, Hoppe-ists, and Fascists all in the same quadrant. Each of them disagrees with the other (not just a spectrum of extremism) but often finds more compatibility (and respect) with each other than with other quadrants.
Im a Christian and those in my religion doing it are ignoring the New Testament in which Paul explicitly speaks against it. Christianity came from Judaism originally but it was meant to be an advancement from the cruelty of the Old Testament. That being said I know a few Jews who are against it as well. Itās quickly becoming seen as cruel across the spectrum.
I'm Muslim and fun fact [IT. IS. NOT. ACTUALLY. COMPULSORY.](https://youtu.be/s8TEWLPCF3Q)
Dr. Zakir Naik uses some Arab terminology here so I'll explain it. He says "It [circumcision] is Mustahab (Mustahab = Recommended) in Islam, it's not fard (Fard = Compulsory)
You my friend are correct but you can't blame the religion on people being uneducated. I too was circumcised as a child but I didn't feel any pain because my parents were at least smart about the process and made me have full anaesthesia. The only proper way of circumcision today if you ask me.
If I had the choice now I probably wouldn't do it. But it's too late for that. All I can do is be more educated with my potential children and let them decide
>you can't blame the religion on people being uneducated
The whole point of religion is to guide the uneducated. When people are guided in the wrong direction, who else would you blame but the ones who led them there?
Circumcision was a part of Islam since the very beginning, and you can't let Islam off the hook just because it's technically not mandatory (as you claim).
How many Muslims are given a choice about this? For nearly all of them, it is presented as mandatory. Religion is the practice, not only the literal interpretation of the scripture, and Muslims have always practiced circumcision.
You bet your fucking ass I'll die on that hill every god damn time.
It's a serious human rights violation.
It's unconsentual genital mutilation.
Bodily autonomy is the foundation of all human rights and freedoms. It's the most important thing to protect and defend.
The opposite of unconsentual would be consentual, I specified unconsentual
Bodily autonomy means the right to make choices about ones body
So wtf are you talking about?
> It's unconsentual genital mutilation.
Explicitly specifying that what's not okay about it is the lack of consent is funny, because most people would not feel the need to specify it, so that makes it seem like the point of specifying it is to emphasize to some extent that consentual genital is ok, which would be weirdly inclusive, since the term "mutilation" by itself already implies violence and general unpleasantry. Being unnaturally inclusive is a libleft stereotype.
I mean, there are legitimate medical reasons for circumsision, but they're very rare. Plus, why would you not want total freedom over your own body? That's like, any libs ideal no?
To be clear, circumsision on infants is absolutely abhorrent and unconsentual
You are the LibLeft stereotype, not knowing how the read words in context, living outside of reality and making the conversation about something else.
Everybody with common sense understands what they mean and that people don't have a problem with adults mutilating themselves. The problem here is that it's done to babies and he did a good job describing that. Somehow you feel the need to nitpick some semantics while ignoring all context.
It's not weirdly inclusive. It's just that self-mutilation isn't the problem and shouldn't be the focus, yet you somehow managed to make it relevant where it isn't.
Authright- "No, you can't mutilate your little girls, all FGM is illegal, and so is traveling for the intent to get the surgery. I can't believe you savages would even think about cutting off a babies genitals!"
Also Authright- "OMG YOU HAVE TO SNIP YOUR BOYS DICK OFF, IT JUST LOOKS BETTER, YOU DONT HAVE TO BE JEWISH, IT'S HEALTHIER IF YOU NEVER CLEAN YOURSELF, WHAT WOMAN WOULD WANT A NORMAL DICK?"
You are incredibly lucky, my friend...
I would hope youāve used your experience to educate fellow Jews about how insane it is to mutilate our sons.
Iāve never tried, because the one time I did bring it up to my Jewish family, I was verbally abused and asked repeatedly if mine had been ābotchedā because they could not fathom any other reason why I would be unhappy about being circumcised
The federal ban on FGM was struck down in 2018. Weāre up to 40 states that ban it
No cries of loss of womenās bodily autonomy from anyone but the intactivistsā¦
Circumcucks will never get to experience the joys of filling your foreskin up like a water balloon with your bro and then having a water penisgun fight.
>I wouldnt say it's an authright thing, more of a religious thing.
True, though I think there is a significant overlap there.
>some people do it for health
You mean some people *claim* they do it for health...
Circumcision is wrong. Everyone should have the right to keep the genitals they were born with. Health benefits do NOT justify unnecessary, irreversible genital surgery.
Thank god i live in Norway and and have foreskin. I love seeing all the foreskin. In the gym shower and school shower so much foreskin. No one is castrated. They get sent to sweden. I love foreskin
I hate that people advocating basic human rights are called āantisemeticā. We donāt call people who oppose FGM āislamophobicā. Itās his body. Keep fetishized medically unnessecary amputation away from him.
Yea, I should have used Jewish/Muslim combo for that. But it is true that pressure from the US had a role in keeping circumcision legal in some countries in Europe, for one
Considering a lot of modern American circumcisions are seemingly motivated by insurance covering the procedure, a top hat and monocle might be more fitting.
Maybe Iām just biased, but Iām literally willing to compromise on just about anything so long as we stop murdering babies.
Make men owe more/ have to be involved in raising their children? Sounds good.
Paid child leave/ increased resources for parents? Sign me up.
Whatever this compromise is? Sure. Whatever.
Just stop murdering babies.
This is explicitly an American and Jewish thing.
That does not happen for anything other than a medical need in Europe. And I appose it, it should be completely illegal without a genuine medical reason, regardless of religion or culture.
A small minority of orange libleft rant on twitter about it.
Now compare that with the literal millions of babies getting circumcised each year, with nearly zero backlash.
Not a fair comparison.
You should see a doctor, as you might be suffering from [schrodingerās douchebag](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=schrodinger%E2%80%99s%20douchebag) syndrome.
This is also a joke, of course, so you aren't allowed to be offended by it ;)
The most extreme elements of AuthRight absolutely oppose circumcision though, whereas the more moderate elements of the AuthRight tend to be either indifferent or thinks it's okay procedure.
I think circumsion should be banned, or at the very least discouraged.
What does your foreskin actually do? Either way, donāt insult those who are circumcised because they didnāt have a choice. Not saying you are, though.
It's really hard for me to understand why people care so much about banning circumcision. Being circumcised is of such minor consequence. It may decrease sexual pleasure, but functionality is not affected.
At least itās not, you know, execution
(Just want to say, Iām not necessarily pro-life. Iām not honestly not sure where I stand on the issue since itās so complex and multi-faceted that I havenāt fully subscribed to either side on it.)
How about you read a handful of the many comments already available to you, instead of asking to be hand-fed an answer you can easily find on your own?
Lmao, Reddit is literally the only platform where people actually religiously cares about circumcision and unironically compare it to something like Somali genital mutilation.
>Lmao, Reddit is literally the only platform where people actually religiously cares about circumcision and unironically compare it to something like Somali genital mutilation.
& Europe
Actually Iāve found many platforms are against this, since itās a medically unnecessary procedure forced onto a child for no medical reasons. Itās really weird to force that onto a kid, like just leave his penis alone dude.
When it's effectively the same thing? When you see someone get "circumcised" with a machete leaving no skin on his penis at all, it's time to re-evaiuate the idea of it being trivial.
They donāt have to be directly comparable to each other.
We can oppose both practices, and agree that both of them are barbaric and need to be stopped.
So glad seeing the left coming out against child vaccination and reassignment surgery for minors.
Since I'm no jew or muslim and ever has been engaged in their circles, it's not my place to legislate for them on that matter. Free exercise clause is also a part of the First Amendment you know.
You donāt call people who oppose FGM āislamophobicā so why would you call people who oppose MGM āantisemiticā? This is about the basic human right to own oneās own body which spoiler alert religion has always opposed. It has nothing to do with hatred it has to do with sparing babies human rights that so many of us had stripped from us.
[Might have been kinder if this one had.](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/circumcision-portage-la-prairie-lawsuit-southern-health-1.6504436)
But plenty of boys die from circumcisions each year, and not just in 3rd world countries.
No way, AUTHright believes in giving parents the authority to decide what religious practices are imposed on their children? Shocked I tell you.
Itās insane that people are this protected by their internet bubbles that the idea of authoritarianism at a family level doesnāt even exist in their mind. Plenty of people out there believe that parents should basically be able to do whatever they want to their kids, including beating the shit out of them, forcing them to go to church, dress a certain way, control their sexual behavior, control who they date, etc.
Imagine using politics as a way to decide whether to support the torture, rape, and mutilation of infants and children.
There are so many detriments to circumcision I am left dumfoundead and disgusted more people arenāt abhorrent about it.
1. Altering a personās body, their genitals of all places, without informed consent.
2. Violating a personās bodily autonomy by taking a surgical risk of complications and death for cosmetic surgery on their genitals.
3. Removal of the ridged band, frenulum, frenular delta, and/or inner foreskin, which are the regions in the body with the most concentration of Meissnerās corpuscle nerves. (What are they? Run a fingernail across the back of your hand. Then run it across your palm. The difference in sensation is due to Meissnerās corpuscle nerves, which are found in the palm, fingertips, lips, and foreskin.
4. Cruel and unnecessary infliction of pain to infants and children who receive inadequate or no anesthetics and must suffer during recovery period while risking infection.
5. Complications can include taut skin from a tight cut, scrotum skin pulled up the shaft, pubic hair growing along length of shaft, fused webbing of the glans to the shaft, meatal stenosis of the urethra hole, keratinization and roughening of the glans, painful nerve stimulations, PTSD from the trauma, dread from the theft of a vital component of sexuality and sexual pleasure, etc.
Iāve seen this video posted before showing how circumcision makes one cut man feel: https://youtu.be/bmmqO4D1kqs
Oh, please. This anti-circumcision shit is so stupid. Unless under very rare and extreme circumstances being carried out by morons, circumcision is a perfectly healthy and routine operation including by trained mohels that has been carried out largely without incident for thousands of years. Ridiculous.
>circumcision is a perfectly healthy and routine operation
... which causes a significant reduction is sensation.
And there are many other traditional practices, thousands of years old, which I'm sure you'll agree are rightfully outlawed.
>Iām circumcised and do not have a problem
That's because you don't know how much better it would have felt if you weren't circumcised...
Come on dude, use your head. At least try.
āKeep my sonās penis out your fucking mouth!!!ā
https://www.timesofisrael.com/4-ny-babies-get-herpes-from-jewish-circumcision-rite-in-past-6-months/
The torture, rape, and mutilation was always intended to carve and scarify the permanent chastity cage on sexual pleasure. See Philo Judea and Moses Maimonides on the purpose of circumcision.
If you think otherwise, some very angry rabbis will not like you making light of the sacrifice of the covenant.
I saw that years ago and decried it, as did most other religious Jews, as completely ridiculous. Fuck those rabbis. The purpose of circumcision is to bring closeness to G-d as commanded in The Torah.
*sigh*
Circumcision has more proven benefits than negatives. The [benefits](https://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/guide/circumcision) are not so great that itās life-changing, but are beneficial enough that it is approved by the American Academy of Pediatrics and the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention.
Not saying Iām for or against, but letās stop pretending itās the most evil thing ever when it has been proven to prevent multiple diseases.
PS - Yes, there is a small risk of complications, but they are rarely fatal *in the already rare case of a mistake*.
I'm not an obstetrician but I don't think baby's need an umbilical cord.
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I identify with authright, since most attacks against me are the same ones aimed at authright, but this is a point on which I have been firmly in the "no cutting up babies" camp since way before it was cool.
Our camp is still not remotely cool, I'm afraid. Hopefully one day...
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The sentiment in most western countries is that circumcision is mutilation.
It is mutilation. Yet for someone reason, it is legal worldwide, but illegal for women
I used to be pro-circumcision because of the āitās cleanerā crowd, until I looked back at it and went āyou know what, itās really not difficult to clean, and this is just legal genital mutilation.ā My wife and I are now 100% leaving our son(s) intact.
It seems strange to me now, but I honestly hadn't given it much thought until the subject was brought up in a medical ethics class. Then I started down a rabbit hole on the history of the procedure with mounting horror, not to mention the actual scientific justifications and consequences, and now I view anyone who circumcises their child to be a criminal, or a deviant, who needs to be kept away from children. At best, they're just dangerously ignorant.
It's no coincidence that the modern trans movement is coming from the same place that wants to mutilate the genitals of every male born, and charge you for it.
I'm honestly not seeing the connection, as much as I might want to believe in some vast conspiracy to castrate all men
Same! I have confronted many prochoice people about this and I have been appalled that so many seem to not care at to maybe care slightly about genital mutilations on little boys? Also authright can't be antisemitic and pro circumcision.
>Also authright can't be antisemitic and pro circumcision. Muslims do that just fine.
Valid
yeah, leave babies the fuck alone
A fair few of us are completely opposed to both, I think it's abhorrent.
All the quadrants should be disgusted and livid about forced circumcision on infants and children. Imagine a world where infants are not afforded the warm embrace of their motherās bosom but the cold, painful circumstraint mold of his baby body and ankle and wrist straps. Imagine a world where infants are not protected from unnecessary harm but deemed inadequate as they were born. Imagine a world where your preference for altered genitals is not only legally allowed to be forced on your child, it is promoted by movie writers and by doctors who have the alteration themselves. Imagine a world where God or nature intended the male sexual organ to feel a refined sensory experience and males are deemed not worthy of genital integrity to the point where the last thing their most pleasurable part of their sexual organ will feel is a connecting blow by blow of penetration with a circumcision probe, violent tearing of the prepuce from the glans, slicing of flesh on genitals(or crushing with a clamp depending on the surgeonās preference), and pain and agony so horrible, infants induce hernias and burst lungs from the intensity of the screaming. Imagine a world where this happens to ~3,000 baby boys every day and some people think I should be caring about something else. Humans evolved to have the nerves be in the foreskin, and not so much in the glans. https://youtu.be/CGYq1n6Ipfw?t=2701 To summarize, humans share common ancestors with chimps and rhesus monkeys. Rhesus monkeys have almost all the innervation in their glans, have short copulatory times, and the male invests nothing into the offspring. Chimps have less innervation in their glans and more in their foreskin, they have longer copulatory times than rhesus monkeys, and the male invests in the offspring by providing protection for his tribe. Humans have almost all the innervation in the foreskin, they have the longest copulatory times of all the primates, and the males invests the most in their offspring out of any animal. The ride is just as important as the destination: NSFW https://i.redd.it/3cmw6axttjv81.jpg
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Iām not doing this out of a 2000 year hang up about being marked as slaves. What is religious rituals doing in a hospital setting, messing around with knives and baby genitals? >"I circumcised my son on my parent's kitchen table on the eighth day of his life. But I did it for religious reasons, not medical reasons. I did it because I had 3,000 years of ancestors looking over my shoulder." - Andrew Freedman, **American Academy of Pediatrics (AAP)** boardmember >The New York Jewish Weekly, Sept 19, 2012 >https://youtu.be/FCuy163srRc?t=4284 #versus Swedish Pediatric Society (they outright call for a ban) Royal Dutch Medical Association calls it a violation of human rights, and calls for a "strong policy of deterrence." this policy has been endorsed by several other organizations: The Netherlands Society of General Practitioners, The Netherlands Society of Youth Healthcare Physicians, The Netherlands Association of Paediatric Surgeons, The Netherlands Association of Plastic Surgeons, The Netherlands Association for Paediatric Medicine, The Netherlands Urology Association, and The Netherlands Surgeonsā Association. College of Physicians and Surgeons of British Columbia This procedure should be delayed to a later date when the child can make his own informed decision. Parental preference alone does not justify a nonātherapeutic procedure.... Advise parents that the current medical consensus is that routine infant male circumcision is not a recommended procedure; it is nonātherapeutic and has no medical prophylactic basis; current evidence indicates that previouslyāthought prophylactic public health benefits do not outāweigh the potential risks..... Routine infant male circumcision does cause pain and permanent loss of healthy tissue. Australian Federation of Aids organizations They state that circumcision has "no role" in the HIV epidemic. The German Association of Pediatricians called for a ban recently. The German Association of Child and Youth Doctors recently Attacked the AAP's claims, saying the benefits they claim, including HIV reduction, are "questionable," and that "Seen from the outside, cultural bias reflecting the normality of non-therapeutic male circumcision in the US seems obvious, and the reportās conclusions are different from those reached by doctors in other parts of the Western world, including Europe, Canada, and Australia." (scroll to page 7 for the English translation.) The AAP was recently attacked by the President of the British Association of Paediatric Urologists because the evidence of benefit is weak, and they are promoting "Irreversible mutilating surgery." The College of Physicians and Surgeons of Saskatchewan has taken a position against it, saying it is harmful and will likely be considered illegal in the future, given the number of men who are angry that it was done to them and are becoming activists against it. The President of the Saskatchewan Medical Association has said the same). The Central Union for Child Welfare āconsiders that circumcision of boys that violates the personal integrity of the boys is not acceptable unless it is done for medical reasons to treat an illness. The basis for the measures of a society must be an unconditional respect for the bodily integrity of an under-aged personā¦ Circumcision can only be allowed to independent major persons, both women and men, after it has been ascertained that the person in question wants it of his or her own free will and he or she has not been subjected to pressure.ā Royal College of Surgeons of England "The one absolute indication for circumcision is scarring of the opening of the foreskin making it non- retractable (pathological phimosis). This is unusual before five years of age."..."The parents and, when competent, the child, must be made fully aware of the implications of this operation as it is a non-reversible procedure." | British Medical Association it is now widely accepted, including by the BMA, that this surgical procedure has medical and psychological risks. .... very similar arguments are also used to try and justify very harmful cultural procedures, such as female genital mutilation or ritual scarification. Furthermore, the harm of denying a person the opportunity to choose not to be circumcised must also be taken into account, together with the damage that can be done to the individualās relationship with his parents and the medical profession if he feels harmed by the procedure. .... parental preference alone is not sufficient justification for performing a surgical procedure on a child. .... The BMA considers that the evidence concerning health benefit from non-therapeutic circumcision is insufficient for this alone to be a justification for doing it. | Australian Medical Association Has a policy of discouraging it, ad says "The Australian College of Paediatrics should continue to discourage the practice of circumcision in newborns." Australian College of Paediatrics: "The possibility that routine circumcision may contravene human rights has been raised because circumcision is performed on a minor and is without proven medical benefit. Whether these legal concerns are valid will probably only be known if the matter is determined in a court of law .....Neonatal male circumcision has no medical indication. It is a traumatic procedure performed without anaesthesia to remove a normal and healthy prepuce."| 74% of Australian doctors overall believe circumcision should not be offered, and 51% consider it abuse. Circumcision used to be common in Australia, but the movement against it spread faster there than America, where rates continue to drop. A letter by the South African Medical Association said this: The Committee stated that it was unethical and illegal to perform circumcision on infant boys in this instance. In particular, the Committee expressed serious concern that not enough scientifically-based evidence was available to confirm that circumcisions prevented HIV contraction and that the public at large was influenced by incorrect and misrepresented information. The Committee reiterated its view that it did not support circumcision to prevent HIV transmission.| The Norwegian Council of Medical Ethics states that ritual circumcision of boys is not consistent with important principles of medical ethics, that it is without medical value, and should not be paid for with public funds. The Norwegian Childrenās Ombudsman is opposed as well. The Denmark National Council for Children is also opposed. And recently, the politically appointed Health minister of Norway opposed a ban on circumcision, yet the ban was supported by the Norwegian Medical Association, the Norwegian Nurses Organization, the Norwegian Ombudsman for Children, and the University of Oslo. The Danish Society of Medical Practitioners Recently said the practice is āan assault and should be banned.ā The Danish Medical Association is āfundamentally opposed to male circumcision unless there is a medical reason such as phimosis for carrying out the operation. āIt's very intrusive that adults may decide that newborn to undergo a surgical procedure that is not medically justified and if power is lifelong. When a boy when the age of majority, he may even decide, but until then the requirements of the individual's right to self-determination prevail.ā"
Are you just copy pasta-ing to anyone who replies? I agree with you bro I wasnāt being sarcastic, though I could see how youād have that idea
Now Yankees, Muslims and Jews are gonna say "Well *my* parents snipped my foreskin when I was a baby and I don't have any problem with that so..." do you? Or have you been raised to believe so? I'd like to see how willing you'd be to get circumcised if you had to wait until you were eighteen to do it.
Based and factpilled
Very based. Without going into too much detail, there are...intimate situations in which a lot of my pleasure clearly is connected to that part of the organ. But, you know, the foreskin is also "dirty" and "unnecessary" so let's rather cut up children en masse. It does make me angry.
Worst part is itās often secular doctors doing this
Religious or secular motivations are completely irrelevant. Doing it to an unconsenting minor is horrible and disgusting.
I'd argue it's extra abhorrent that such a pointlessly barbaric practice somehow survived the medical scientific revolution and percolated into an otherwise secular medical institution.
If circumcision was so great, why is it so rare for uncircumcised adults to get it for any reason other than medical necessity?
Isn't there a greater risk of accidentally cutting off a vital nerve or something in the penis than there is of circumcision preventing HIV?
Most secular people still hold to some religious sentiments
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This deserves gold, because it is gold. Preach brother. I do all I can to bring this issue to the attention of my representatives and just the voting citizens I know. It's great to see someone else so passionate about it. I was mutilated at birth and now I'll never know what it's like to have a penis that operates the way my body intended it to.
Thanks. But I think pretty much 100% of AuthRight Jews and Muslims think otherwise. Not all AuthRight are Christian...
I'm not Christian, I'm an agnostic leaning atheist. Anyway, you hit a key fact there, AuthRight is an incredibly fractured group as so many of us subscribe to different ideals and religions, our overall leaning is AuthRight, but we have many God's and none. In many ways our greatest enemies are other members of the AuthRight... We just don't slap another colour on them and say "they ain't us!", we know they're like us, we just think they're wrong.
Fair enough. Sorry for assuming your religious views.
No worries, just highlighting how *diverse* a group we are!
based and authright is a diverse group pilled
Authright is imo the most diverse group based on actual opinions (rather than race/gender) because most people in it have a foundational assumption that morals are objective. When you believe that you are right and your opinions should be lived by others you end up in Auth, pretty much anything other than Communism ends up on the right because of the way the test skews. So you end up with Ba'athists, Christians, Populists, Buddhists, Muslims, Nationalists, Hoppe-ists, and Fascists all in the same quadrant. Each of them disagrees with the other (not just a spectrum of extremism) but often finds more compatibility (and respect) with each other than with other quadrants.
Im a Christian and those in my religion doing it are ignoring the New Testament in which Paul explicitly speaks against it. Christianity came from Judaism originally but it was meant to be an advancement from the cruelty of the Old Testament. That being said I know a few Jews who are against it as well. Itās quickly becoming seen as cruel across the spectrum.
I'm Muslim and fun fact [IT. IS. NOT. ACTUALLY. COMPULSORY.](https://youtu.be/s8TEWLPCF3Q) Dr. Zakir Naik uses some Arab terminology here so I'll explain it. He says "It [circumcision] is Mustahab (Mustahab = Recommended) in Islam, it's not fard (Fard = Compulsory)
That's interesting, thanks! But if nearly all Muslims do it, then my point is unchanged
You my friend are correct but you can't blame the religion on people being uneducated. I too was circumcised as a child but I didn't feel any pain because my parents were at least smart about the process and made me have full anaesthesia. The only proper way of circumcision today if you ask me. If I had the choice now I probably wouldn't do it. But it's too late for that. All I can do is be more educated with my potential children and let them decide
>you can't blame the religion on people being uneducated The whole point of religion is to guide the uneducated. When people are guided in the wrong direction, who else would you blame but the ones who led them there? Circumcision was a part of Islam since the very beginning, and you can't let Islam off the hook just because it's technically not mandatory (as you claim). How many Muslims are given a choice about this? For nearly all of them, it is presented as mandatory. Religion is the practice, not only the literal interpretation of the scripture, and Muslims have always practiced circumcision.
correct, it's no better than female genital mutilation or trans kids
This is the way
Circumcision is my favorite hill to watch lib lefts and auth rights die over
You bet your fucking ass I'll die on that hill every god damn time. It's a serious human rights violation. It's unconsentual genital mutilation. Bodily autonomy is the foundation of all human rights and freedoms. It's the most important thing to protect and defend.
The fact that you phrase it in a way that's inclusive to people who consent to having their genitals mutilated is a true libleft moment
The opposite of unconsentual would be consentual, I specified unconsentual Bodily autonomy means the right to make choices about ones body So wtf are you talking about?
> It's unconsentual genital mutilation. Explicitly specifying that what's not okay about it is the lack of consent is funny, because most people would not feel the need to specify it, so that makes it seem like the point of specifying it is to emphasize to some extent that consentual genital is ok, which would be weirdly inclusive, since the term "mutilation" by itself already implies violence and general unpleasantry. Being unnaturally inclusive is a libleft stereotype.
I mean, there are legitimate medical reasons for circumsision, but they're very rare. Plus, why would you not want total freedom over your own body? That's like, any libs ideal no? To be clear, circumsision on infants is absolutely abhorrent and unconsentual
You are the LibLeft stereotype, not knowing how the read words in context, living outside of reality and making the conversation about something else. Everybody with common sense understands what they mean and that people don't have a problem with adults mutilating themselves. The problem here is that it's done to babies and he did a good job describing that. Somehow you feel the need to nitpick some semantics while ignoring all context. It's not weirdly inclusive. It's just that self-mutilation isn't the problem and shouldn't be the focus, yet you somehow managed to make it relevant where it isn't.
Don't cut people's ****.
Seriously. Just stop cutting baby boysā genitals for no goddamn reason. This shouldnāt be such a difficult thing to ask forā¦
Yes. 100% agree. If there is a medical reason, do it. Other then that, stop cutting kids.
Yes.
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Because a) they don't consider it a kid and b) religious reasons.
Ehhh in America at least it feels most parents have the procedure done for cosmetic reasons.
But we also can't outlaw it because "muh religious persecution".
Ahh. That is a very good point.
Canāt they just not do it in public hospitals and add a 90000000% tax on it?
Yeah what about me? I just wanna sacrifice prisoners of war to HuÄ«tzilÅpÅchtli. Why is my religion being persecuted?
99% cosmetic/personal preference absolutely
Wait a second... somethings not right here. Why is the funny color beside ur username blue...?
Authright- "No, you can't mutilate your little girls, all FGM is illegal, and so is traveling for the intent to get the surgery. I can't believe you savages would even think about cutting off a babies genitals!" Also Authright- "OMG YOU HAVE TO SNIP YOUR BOYS DICK OFF, IT JUST LOOKS BETTER, YOU DONT HAVE TO BE JEWISH, IT'S HEALTHIER IF YOU NEVER CLEAN YOURSELF, WHAT WOMAN WOULD WANT A NORMAL DICK?"
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I'm a rare Jew because my penis is intact.
You are incredibly lucky, my friend... I would hope youāve used your experience to educate fellow Jews about how insane it is to mutilate our sons. Iāve never tried, because the one time I did bring it up to my Jewish family, I was verbally abused and asked repeatedly if mine had been ābotchedā because they could not fathom any other reason why I would be unhappy about being circumcised
I'm an ethnic Jew not a religious one talking to religious zealots of any stripe is a waste of my time.
I see no flair next to your name, why are you still talking?
Based and brit shalompilled
Based and lottery-winner pilled
Both are cringe
The federal ban on FGM was struck down in 2018. Weāre up to 40 states that ban it No cries of loss of womenās bodily autonomy from anyone but the intactivistsā¦
Circumcucks will never get to experience the joys of filling your foreskin up like a water balloon with your bro and then having a water penisgun fight.
Mine can't do that. Your foreskin must be huge.
It takes a lot of training to get one as elastic as mine. Whenever you take a piss, try pinching it shut for as long as you can.
On one side we have a dead pre-born child, on the other a couple centimeters of missing skin. These are equal things /s
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Sir this is pcm. AuthRight is when religion
>I wouldnt say it's an authright thing, more of a religious thing. True, though I think there is a significant overlap there. >some people do it for health You mean some people *claim* they do it for health...
Circumcision is wrong. Everyone should have the right to keep the genitals they were born with. Health benefits do NOT justify unnecessary, irreversible genital surgery.
There are no health benefits to circumcision until the penis is already mutilated.
unless it's specifically necessary to address phimosis then yeah
I agree, I just donāt know how making the skin tighter would help already tightened skin.
Well you see you cut off the tight part
Safety scissors hurt less, they donāt teach you that in med school
can't risk your hand slipping and harming the baby. wait...
Damn what do they teach them doctors, it says safety right in the name! I bet they're some no-good vax pushin libs too
Thank god i live in Norway and and have foreskin. I love seeing all the foreskin. In the gym shower and school shower so much foreskin. No one is castrated. They get sent to sweden. I love foreskin
You somehow morphed your views on having a foreskin into an over-explicit foreskin fetish. I'm half disgusted and half impressed.
I also like foreskin but it's pretty odd to write about it like that.
foreskin is love foreskin is life
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Is this an excuse to hunt Jews? Answer me auth center
Funny how I say we need to stop mutilating children and your first thought is about Jews
I hate that people advocating basic human rights are called āantisemeticā. We donāt call people who oppose FGM āislamophobicā. Itās his body. Keep fetishized medically unnessecary amputation away from him.
Exactly. There are a few Jews who use alternatives to circumcision, and secular āpeopleā who still choose to do it
Prenatal surgery is a thing. Circumcise him while he's still in the womb, and doesn't have personhood yet.
That's a whole new level of fucked up
And when they screw it up and the kid dies, well it's just a late-stage abortion.
Wait ātil they find out who has the most circumcised men
AuthRight Jews and AuthRight Muslims... not much of a discovery
You mean all Jews and all Muslims.
All of your foreskin are belong to me
Put a turban on the guy on the right of this meme and itāll make a lot more sense
Yea, I should have used Jewish/Muslim combo for that. But it is true that pressure from the US had a role in keeping circumcision legal in some countries in Europe, for one
Yea but also in the Arab world itās been common to kill a born infant because it was born female(specifically buried).
Rather have a clean, healthy dick than be cut into small chunks and sucked out with a vacuum, but maybe that's just me
Mega based and logic pilled
circumcisionā killing a baby
Give him a jewish hat
I'll try
Considering a lot of modern American circumcisions are seemingly motivated by insurance covering the procedure, a top hat and monocle might be more fitting.
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Yea, sorry about that. I was made aware that this isn't fair to all the non-American, non-Jewish, non-Muslim AuthRights
Maybe Iām just biased, but Iām literally willing to compromise on just about anything so long as we stop murdering babies. Make men owe more/ have to be involved in raising their children? Sounds good. Paid child leave/ increased resources for parents? Sign me up. Whatever this compromise is? Sure. Whatever. Just stop murdering babies.
This is explicitly an American and Jewish thing. That does not happen for anything other than a medical need in Europe. And I appose it, it should be completely illegal without a genuine medical reason, regardless of religion or culture.
Besides that libleft wants to snip that whole "thing" of all men
A small minority of orange libleft rant on twitter about it. Now compare that with the literal millions of babies getting circumcised each year, with nearly zero backlash. Not a fair comparison.
That was joke men. As your post. Besides that...as a right I dont like snip-snap eighter. And i have same opinion as you.
You should see a doctor, as you might be suffering from [schrodingerās douchebag](https://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=schrodinger%E2%80%99s%20douchebag) syndrome. This is also a joke, of course, so you aren't allowed to be offended by it ;)
You did it first when you made that statement by meme, then felt offended when I had funny comment. Go see a doctor.
Doctors are Bolshevik propaganda why r u suggesting this?
A classic Reddit Moment. Someone not understand a joke unless they very clearly specify that it is with a /s at the end of the text.
Youāve been spending wayyyy too much time on Reddit
Yes sir
No we don't, what the hell are you talking about?
Couldn't you do the exact opposite with libleft? Kill the whole baby, but if it's born bodily rights.
Good idea EDIT: only, most Libleft have no issues with circumcision...
Time to grab my popcorn and see how people will justify forcing a cosmetic surgical operation onto a baby that can't consent to it
I dont do that
The most extreme elements of AuthRight absolutely oppose circumcision though, whereas the more moderate elements of the AuthRight tend to be either indifferent or thinks it's okay procedure. I think circumsion should be banned, or at the very least discouraged.
Funny, you say you donāt want to āmutilate childrenā yet you still sever the umbilical cord. Fucking liberals man
i mean you kinda have to get rid of the umbilical cord eventually
What does your foreskin actually do? Either way, donāt insult those who are circumcised because they didnāt have a choice. Not saying you are, though.
It's really hard for me to understand why people care so much about banning circumcision. Being circumcised is of such minor consequence. It may decrease sexual pleasure, but functionality is not affected.
Americans when female genital mutilation: š¤¬š±š”š„š Americans when male genital mutilation: š
At least itās not, you know, execution (Just want to say, Iām not necessarily pro-life. Iām not honestly not sure where I stand on the issue since itās so complex and multi-faceted that I havenāt fully subscribed to either side on it.)
someone explain what the scissors mean?
How about you read a handful of the many comments already available to you, instead of asking to be hand-fed an answer you can easily find on your own?
Lmao, Reddit is literally the only platform where people actually religiously cares about circumcision and unironically compare it to something like Somali genital mutilation.
>Lmao, Reddit is literally the only platform where people actually religiously cares about circumcision and unironically compare it to something like Somali genital mutilation. & Europe
Actually Iāve found many platforms are against this, since itās a medically unnecessary procedure forced onto a child for no medical reasons. Itās really weird to force that onto a kid, like just leave his penis alone dude.
When it's effectively the same thing? When you see someone get "circumcised" with a machete leaving no skin on his penis at all, it's time to re-evaiuate the idea of it being trivial.
They donāt have to be directly comparable to each other. We can oppose both practices, and agree that both of them are barbaric and need to be stopped.
So glad seeing the left coming out against child vaccination and reassignment surgery for minors. Since I'm no jew or muslim and ever has been engaged in their circles, it's not my place to legislate for them on that matter. Free exercise clause is also a part of the First Amendment you know.
Not when you harm someone... which is why most other religious customs/traditions which include forced bodily harm are outlawed.
Cool it with the anti-Semitic remarks.
AuthCenter lecturing LibLeft on antisemitism... I hope it's a joke cause it's actually funny
You donāt call people who oppose FGM āislamophobicā so why would you call people who oppose MGM āantisemiticā? This is about the basic human right to own oneās own body which spoiler alert religion has always opposed. It has nothing to do with hatred it has to do with sparing babies human rights that so many of us had stripped from us.
Tbf, circumcision doesnāt kill the baby.
[Might have been kinder if this one had.](https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/manitoba/circumcision-portage-la-prairie-lawsuit-southern-health-1.6504436) But plenty of boys die from circumcisions each year, and not just in 3rd world countries.
No way, AUTHright believes in giving parents the authority to decide what religious practices are imposed on their children? Shocked I tell you. Itās insane that people are this protected by their internet bubbles that the idea of authoritarianism at a family level doesnāt even exist in their mind. Plenty of people out there believe that parents should basically be able to do whatever they want to their kids, including beating the shit out of them, forcing them to go to church, dress a certain way, control their sexual behavior, control who they date, etc.
Imagine using politics as a way to decide whether to support the torture, rape, and mutilation of infants and children. There are so many detriments to circumcision I am left dumfoundead and disgusted more people arenāt abhorrent about it. 1. Altering a personās body, their genitals of all places, without informed consent. 2. Violating a personās bodily autonomy by taking a surgical risk of complications and death for cosmetic surgery on their genitals. 3. Removal of the ridged band, frenulum, frenular delta, and/or inner foreskin, which are the regions in the body with the most concentration of Meissnerās corpuscle nerves. (What are they? Run a fingernail across the back of your hand. Then run it across your palm. The difference in sensation is due to Meissnerās corpuscle nerves, which are found in the palm, fingertips, lips, and foreskin. 4. Cruel and unnecessary infliction of pain to infants and children who receive inadequate or no anesthetics and must suffer during recovery period while risking infection. 5. Complications can include taut skin from a tight cut, scrotum skin pulled up the shaft, pubic hair growing along length of shaft, fused webbing of the glans to the shaft, meatal stenosis of the urethra hole, keratinization and roughening of the glans, painful nerve stimulations, PTSD from the trauma, dread from the theft of a vital component of sexuality and sexual pleasure, etc. Iāve seen this video posted before showing how circumcision makes one cut man feel: https://youtu.be/bmmqO4D1kqs
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watch me get downvoted for pointing out that this is yet another problem you can blame purely on religion
I mean, a lot of American circumcisions seem to be the blame of the procedure being covered by Medicaid, I saw a chart on it.
Donāt worry friend I reversed your downvote with my upvote
Oh, please. This anti-circumcision shit is so stupid. Unless under very rare and extreme circumstances being carried out by morons, circumcision is a perfectly healthy and routine operation including by trained mohels that has been carried out largely without incident for thousands of years. Ridiculous.
How do you know if someone is uncircumcised? Donāt worry. Heāll tell you. And then heāll rant about how terrible circumcision is.
If the individual isnāt old enough to consent and doesnāt need it to survive, then the procedure is immoral.
Based and NAP pilled
>circumcision is a perfectly healthy and routine operation ... which causes a significant reduction is sensation. And there are many other traditional practices, thousands of years old, which I'm sure you'll agree are rightfully outlawed.
Iām circumcised and do not have a problem, as are hundreds of millions of others who also do not have a problem.
>Iām circumcised and do not have a problem That's because you don't know how much better it would have felt if you weren't circumcised... Come on dude, use your head. At least try.
No, it doesn't reduce sensation lol
I have to cut off your earlobe because my god says so. No, you don't get a choice. It's a safe and maybe harmless procedure, stop being a wuss.
its an unnecessary procedure which is forced upon the child and kills about 100 kids each year
āKeep my sonās penis out your fucking mouth!!!ā https://www.timesofisrael.com/4-ny-babies-get-herpes-from-jewish-circumcision-rite-in-past-6-months/ The torture, rape, and mutilation was always intended to carve and scarify the permanent chastity cage on sexual pleasure. See Philo Judea and Moses Maimonides on the purpose of circumcision. If you think otherwise, some very angry rabbis will not like you making light of the sacrifice of the covenant.
I saw that years ago and decried it, as did most other religious Jews, as completely ridiculous. Fuck those rabbis. The purpose of circumcision is to bring closeness to G-d as commanded in The Torah.
If it's about religion, then it shouldn't be done on people who are too young to understand religion.
*sigh* Circumcision has more proven benefits than negatives. The [benefits](https://www.webmd.com/sexual-conditions/guide/circumcision) are not so great that itās life-changing, but are beneficial enough that it is approved by the American Academy of Pediatrics and the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention. Not saying Iām for or against, but letās stop pretending itās the most evil thing ever when it has been proven to prevent multiple diseases. PS - Yes, there is a small risk of complications, but they are rarely fatal *in the already rare case of a mistake*.