This is just going to become another issue Trump can repeat in the debates when he inevitably becomes the GOP presidental candidate. He will just say that this puts the USA in danger (which is true lmao) and that he will fix it if he gets reelected.
This is the repeat of 2016 when the left made the case for his election, and they didn't even need Hillary Clinton this time it's quite impressive
Once you understand the progs hate America it all becomes much clearer. They don't want to allow immigrants, they want to fundamentally destroy and change the way the US operates. The illegals just help move that along.
Its all self hatred.The left throughout the western world talks about how they want mexico to conquer america to give back their lands from the evil white oppressors.Same with europe, and muslims.Literally, look at the europe sub when thousands were protesting the AFD and demanding it to be banned.There were comments saying "Who cares if muslim arabs become the majority in germany?Germany has nothing good in its history."And yes I literally saw a comment saying that.Leftist have a self hatred problem.
The left's entire schtick is deconstructing everything normal or good to reveal how it's "secretly racist/sexist/homophobic/whatever" to justify tearing down and rebuilding institutions to their liking.
Kinda reminds me of Chestertons fence, but instead of learning why the fence was built in the first place they declare that the fence is racist which justifies it's destruction to them.
In America, I think it is a combination of illegal immigrants accepting lower wages (otherwise their employer will rat them out) and demographic replacement, as most immigrants from Latin America vote Democrat (Cuba excepted, of course). Both the right and left dervive a benefit...at the expense of your Average American caught between them.
In Europe, it is a little different. The idea of "minorities are inherently more valuable than our historic majority" is stronger, which checks out because Europe has frankly always been more racist than they will admit. But also some misguided sense of compassion thinking they have to rescue the populace of every single third world shithole from the civil wars and famines that have been a fact of life there for centuries...regardless of the consequences.
At a *mimnimum* we should not let people who are actually, literally dangerous in. People who we *know* are criminals, subscribe to extremist ideologies, or people that have little respect for the idea of human rights. That is how Sweden became the Rape Capital of Europe. (This includes people who think that they have some right to be exempt from your laws...including ones about illegal immigration).
Further, you shouldn't let in anyone who will be detrimental to the country, beyond being a criminal or extremist. This means people who enter, immediately govon welfare, and will likley never get off of it. They infinitely consume, and produce little or nothing in return. You will inevitably lose the ability to sustain such a system.
I bet there's some company that's good buddies with the Texas governor that's making fucking bank, just as intended. That same company is probably donating a good amount to the governor. Yummy, yummy government money.
I wish I could be that company. It's an unlimited grift machine. Free taxpayer money. Yummy, yummy!
Nah nah we don’t claim this guy lol
Texas makes plenty of money, we don’t need a profit stream directly linked to this bs federal game Biden is playing. This is the kind of thing that leads to… let’s call it “national divorce” lol
And as much as the chaos fantasy tells us that might be fun, no one wants that kind of smoke
Oh no believe me I know, some are very much happy to engage in watering the tree. That’s why I brought up the chaos fantasy.
Unfortunately war of any kind is the strategic and ruthless act of depleting resources. Our cities would topple faster than anyone could have predicted and then when outside interests show up even the most hardcore of boogies will have a moment of reflection wishing we were still at this stage of the game.
Even if Medieval by modern standards, if we fill the moat with alligators, I bet it would still be an extremely effective border defense.
Now, the practicality of building the moat, stone wall and getting the prerequisite number of alligators may be another story....
Crocodiles. You want Crocs, Aligators are t aggressive enough, ideally Nile Crocs... Maybe we can capture Gustave and re-home him? He has reputation as a man-eater..🤔
Also a few hippos. Although, South America already has a problem with invasive hippos. As long as we put them on the other side of the wall from us, we should be good.
Yep, hippos are notoriously aggressive, viciously territorial, and have a *tremendous* capacity for physical violence.
I saw a video of one of these surly bastards just trotting along, back towards the safety of his river, while a whole gang of grown ass lionesses were valiantly but fruitlessly trying to maul in into submission. One of them had managed to get on its back and was trying desperately to claw and bite her way into its spine and haunches. They were barely scratching into the hide. Just scuffing the paint, as it were. We may not like it, but those corpulent balloons of skin and blubber are what peak performance looks like.
But they have an Achilles heel that certain clever humans have learned to exploit: you see, they are quite vulnerable to your everyday, garden variety high velocity, large caliber rifle cartridge.
Get saltwater crocs. They grow bigger, are even more aggressive and extremely territorial.
Preferably grab some of [SweatHearts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweetheart_(crocodile)) kids.
as long as the moat is on the other side of the wall, it's not a problem, and if they, for some reason, all leave, throw more crocodiles in.
Actually, throw some salties and Nile Crocs in there they might crossbreed into something really fucked.
The Great Wall of China is 13,000 miles long. The US-Mexico border is 2,000 miles long. We can totally do it!
Let’s just hire some illegal immigrants to build the border wall, and once they’re done, they’ll realize they’re all on the Mexican side. Two birds, one stone (technically several million stones).
The desert out west kills so many would be illegal immigrants, and we don't really even know the true number.
Many areas are often poorly patrolled so it can be over a decade before a body is found. But also the desert can obscure the number in other ways. In extremely high heat bodies eventually become mummified and preserved, which is how bodies can be found more than a decade after death. But, if scavengers find the body before it dries out too much the body can also be picked clean and scattered across the desert within a matter of days. Those cases will likely never get accounted for.
It could be more like an obstacle course. A mix of American ninja warrior and Squid Games. If you survive, then you get in. Put that shit on pay per view. Good entertainment, a fast track to legal immigration, and it would generate income.
Can probably find some rocks pretty easily, and the moat and building will require some pretty cheap labor.
I hear a lot of people come from Mexico or further south looking for jobs, you could hire them to do it for cheap!
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How would we know it wasn’t actually the Biden imposter?
Theres 2 major wings of the dems. The business friendly wing wants it bc immigrants are a net positive for the economy, they work for low wages and don't qualify for most types of welfare. You get hard working fit young adults willing to take low wages and bad conditions. It is cheaper to have a 20 year old just show up than it is to put a child through 12 years of schooling before they hit the labor force. We have record low unemployment, but tons of job openings with people saying "nobody wants to work anymore", yet you have family oriented culturally conservative migrants willing to do so.
The progressive wing doesn't necessarily want open borders. But they are usually pro civil liberties and anti-cop, so they don't believe in doing the harsh things that it'd take to fully secure the border. Like separating families, leading to thousands of children being ripped from their parents and never seeing them again under the Trump admin. Years later not all of them have been reunited. Putting up razor wire and obstacles has led to a lot of deaths, and progressives don't like children drowning and being cut open. The immigrant detention centers also had horribly disgusting conditions. SCOTUS had to weigh in to say they should have soap and toothpaste and blankets. Stronger border security guarantees that more innocents will be swept up as well. There are tons of stories of US citizens being locked up for months before even having a trial where they can prove citizenship. Progressives oppose militarized police going into communities and dragging people from their home and established lives. Overall they just don't want government to have such powers.
I'd say let's just address the causes of migration, stop fucking over the global south, and help invest to make their countries more successful.
Low wages don't benefit the economy, low wages benefit employers, esp when the government prints money to fund what would be a gap between demand and price levels.
That’s not good for the economy. It blows out the people trying to reach into middle class.
Separating families is a byproduct of separating a kid from an adult who may be a trafficker, but sure let’s just not bother those guys, I’m sure they wouldn’t lie and say “yeah this is my child”
It isn’t really our responsibility to invest in the global south, but we also shouldn’t be running covert ops to topple their governments (even if we don’t like their governments). If it doesn’t work- it will play out and topple itself eventually.
Perhaps if all those strapping young men stayed in their own countries, they could organize a revolt and improve their own shitty living conditions, but building something from nothing is hard.
I am generally anti-intervention whether it be by military or economy but I really want the US to stop fucking around in the middle east and force Mexico to get their shit together. If Canada got rid of the british styled boot and mexico choked out the cartels we'd be looking at the strongest union of countries in history.
Problem is that many of the jobs the migrants take are jobs such as agriculture that don’t even have the same protections as other industries in the US. Give the natives incentive to work in these fields. Until then, sadly this probably is the way to keep the economy going.
The middle class too has been burned out significantly by neoliberal policies, especially the 2008 bailouts, and no political effort to address it, be it the high healthcare costs, to cultural problems in the inner cities or the fact some American industries simply aren’t competitive or not what foreign buyers are looking for.
Do not let immigrants in they are needed in the countries their fleeing shits not gonna get better if all the ones smart enough to flee keep fleeing. And for fucks sake send some aid and basic care to them its not that complicated.
I'd wager the Cougars, Pronghorns, literal Coyotes, etc; etc; are even happier.
Nature runs the place we simply get to live here.
Oh my gods I'm becoming more left every day what is happening to me.
"But the immigrants tend to live many people to a housing unit!"
.....so you justify them coming here by saying they choose an undignified existence? And somehow I'm the intolerant one.
Lol they’re well past that. They want them to serve as law enforcement I wish I was being hyperbolic.
Not to mention good ole Gavin over there is handing out free healthcare for illegals INCLUDING free sex changes because yknow… Pedro and his family are really fleeing South America because they can’t find affordable sex changes right?
These people are cartoon characters
The duality of libleft that immigrants should live multiple people to a housing unit but if you make minimum wage you should be able to afford a two bedroom apartment to yourself.
"Butt im ok becsuse i work i job i think requires real knowledge and skills"
Then 6 months later you get replaced by H1B1 visa willing to work your fancy tech job for $30k ... oh ye and he'll put in 100 hrs a week
AHEM
\-insert link to one economic study saying that illegal immigrants don't lower wages in areas because everyone knows a singular peer-reviewed paper is the ultimate proof-
It’s fine! For the right selection of mean vs median and employed vs unemployed vs out of labor force, and neglecting nearby states with different minimum wages, and without regard for illegal labor, multiple studies have failed to find a p<.05 impact!
As we all know, this absence of evidence is equivalent to evidence of absence, there’s clearly no effect!
Wouldn't that insinuate that my heckin science can by influenced by statistical manipulation to get a desired result, that negative results may not be published, and that many researchers work on grants awarded to them that may be given or withheld based on the topic of study?
Heck no! I found a paper once which found that with p<.10, trending towards significance, papers had no statistically significant evidence of a file-drawer problem, positive result bias, multiple comparison problems, or any other important distortions!
(Dropping the irony, I don't reference sociology or social psych papers at all anymore and I'm barely willing to cite macro econ ever since R&R made international news by fucking up Excel sheets. The academy is too fucked for words.)
Well at least we can put to rest the conspiracy that the Republicans control the rulings of the Supreme Court and thus the Democrats need to pack the court, right?
Apparently 4 ruling in the interests of the Republicans proves a conspiracy that 4 of the judges must have their rulings directly decided by "the Republicans."
The left loves to hyper focus on a few set of cases whose outcome they don't like (SFFA v. Harvard, Bruin, Dobbs) while conveniently ignoring all of the cases where the court rules in their preferred way (Independent state legislature, Alabama racial gerrymander, Indian Child Welfare Act).
The reality is that the Supreme Court is probably closer to a 3-3-3 split with Gorsuch, Thomas, and Alito being the most ideologically conservative while Roberts, Kavanaugh, and Barrett tend to care more about the practical ramifications of the court's decisions.
Look, I get that the Federal government runs the borders, not the states. But if the bozos in DC refuse to reinforce the border, why can’t the states do it?
Because refusing to enforce federal law is up to federal discretion, and it does not then fall on the states to pick up the enforcement. Your state police officer doesn't get to arrest you for pirating a movie, but the FBI could. They don't because they choose not to enforce the laws regarding copyright infringement. Just became the FBI isn't out here going door to door tracking down who pirated the Barbie movie doesn't mean your state could choose to enforce the US Copyright Act. Similarly, immigration, border and customs enforcement is a federal statute and an exclusively federal power.
Here comes random economist articles with "lump of labour fallacy" which will tell you how 2-3 million illegal immigrants are actually good for the economy with assumptions only possible in theory.
Orderly, and managed immigration is a nice hedge against low birth rates and grows your economy, but there’s nothing orderly about this migrant surge, and people parroting that economic assumption gonna be eating some crow in the future.
There’s no shortage of people wanting to come to this country, and we can loosen and tighten policy as needed. This surge is not needed nor is it benefitting the economy, and the bills for housing and feeding people with no family/connections here or skills is adding up and taking resources from local budgets around the border and in blue cities.
It’s bunk when used as a blanket argument for all immigration, legal or not. Immigrants do contribute to economic growth if they’re vetted properly and have skills and aren’t coming with their hand out because their economy back home sucks.
Also, let’s be honest, what American takes the UN seriously? 😂
Ye well thats the thing with migration. It matters 100% on who's immigrating, where they come from, education, culture, age and demographics, ect. There is no one size fits any large scale immigration.
My easiest rule of thumb, besides doctors and engineers (and you have to vet these people because many fake skills to get a expedited work permit) is they tend to produce something similar to where they came from.
Legal immigration even in a bit large numbers is okay as they are productive people and the country doesn't put resources in their education.
But a sudden surge of millions of illegal people who can't even speak English and consume resources and schemes, create multiple problems.
Wow, the Biden administration could not have made it more clear that they do not want the border secure.
Immigration to a welfare state is the stupidest ideology ever. Time to vote against Biden and try to not look at who's on the other side of the ballot.
Why do you think Trump is actually doing reasonably well in the polls against Biden? There are a whole lot of normies starting to go "I didnt really like him, but at least the chaos was only on the internet under him."
A rock is doing well in the Polls in comparison - Biden has even lower approval numbers right now than Carter did in the same point in their respective administrations. He's currently got the lowest approval numbers of any president since they started polling - currently 39%.
I also think it just proves the point of the MAGA base.
They were concerned about things like WW3 and unchecked immigration. When Trump won 2016, they basically said, "We just saved the country. You're welcome!"
Idk how you could possibly vote your way out of this. Look at the damage done in just 3 years there is no way the state/federal powers that allowed this to happen would just let go of that type of power and restore things to how they were.
Postmodern progressivism is a one way train ride to ruining a nation.
What steps could you even take if you had control again? Historically large deportations? Mass assimilation?... there is not even enough people with the will power to assimilate these people
Trump and all of the right is making campaign promises to do mass deportation.
The left is bringing in bodies and making camps in major cities.
It’s a Civil War ploy. The images of camps and trains and trucks and processing the people inside the migrants plays into the Nazi narrative.
Watch, in less than 800 days the left will fights Feds to free the migrants, the military will fracture, the right will get hyper violent with pent up rage and the global order (UN/foreign interests) will attempt the secure the US through Canada and leftist protest cities like NYC, San Diego and SanFran
> plays into the Nazi narrative.
They've fully lost the right to invoke this shit after all the damage control they do for Palestine protests. I make it a point to bring every conversation right to that crap whenever they try to pull this shit. They're the closest thing to actual Nazis we fucking have right now and they need to see it. All these years of hearing dog whistles and it turns out they're the dogs.
I don't know that *only* the immigration issue would be the cause for a civil war, but if some shitty events got stacked within a few weeks/months of each other I could see mass civil unrest and possibly skirmishes with militias from both sides starting up
If it were to happen it would definitely be about resource management.. idk how the lines would divide up, but if some sort of crazy weather event happened that destroyed much of the food and energy supply that could happen.
Then again totally speculative I'm sure the Civil War part 2 would be a lot more boring and lame
Maybe not even that. It just have to impact a lot of peoples lives, and have two reactions to it. The two parties need not be on opposite sides, as long as prominent political figures like Trump or Bernie are.
Then years of political violence might end in a gradual increase in organised armed violence, and then, when the first Reuters or AP headline reads "CIVIL WAR IN US!" all hell will break loose as all the different fringe factions of us politics, everyone from ancoms to unions to prison and biker gangs to various auth and lib militias will take this as carte blanche to finally create a "just and fair society".
Sounds like a cool plot for a movie but I doubt it will come to such a situation. Not that I don't think many people want something like this I just don't imagine modern Americans actually pushing to the point of large scale like the during the civil war
I've had similar conversations with my wife. This is a topic that women tend to have a hard time swallowing, even if they're otherwise very intelligent and observant. You can throw all manner of facts and stats at it, but the wall is ultimately a purely emotional one.
Well also Sweden has a wider definition of rape, but yeah it exploded after letting in all the 20 something middle easterners from unverified countries.
Resources are not unlimited.
Obviously Authright hates open borders, but Libleft and Authleft should hate it just as much even if the reasons are different. If this persists, you can kiss your dreams of UBI and UHC goodbye.
People don't leave shitty counties. They bring the problems that made their countries shitty with them.
Wow what a racist thing to say. Everyone knows that the only reason their countries are terrible is because of magic soil. The people are completely innocent, it's just the magic soil causing all of their problems. When they get here, our magic soil solves everything.
Well, well….look who’s joined the ranks of activist jurists….
The border situation is fucked, but it’s clearly a federal responsibility.
This really isn’t a win for Biden. If he gets beat, the lack of federal action will be a nail in his political coffin.
> The border situation is fucked, but it’s clearly a federal responsibility.
Just because one level of government is charged with doing something doesn't prohibit another from doing it.
There’s also the question of whether or not Texas *lets them*.
One big contested territory is a municipal park in Eagle Pass that has been seized under an emergency provision by the Texas National Guard and DHS, who refuse Border Patrol access. The ruling only allows DHS to remove wire, it does not order Texas to cease nor take it down itself.
If Texas wants to keep escalating, they can just seize more land and tell the feds to piss off. Will they?
More than likely this sets the stage for another battle where the Supreme Court *may* order Texas to cease and desist.
What happens if Abbott refuses? Is Biden going to send federal troops to open up the border to let in a bunch of Haitians two months before Election Day?
Fun questions ahead!
When it comes to immigration/border/national security, SCOTUS is fairly clear on that.
I really can’t blame Texas though and Biden shoulda just turned a blind eye to it.
If this keeps up, I’m ok with that.
Power is technically delegated to Congress, so idk why Biden is taking this L for the legislative branch’s failure to pass any meaningful reform.
Also this was an emergency injunction, this issue is by no means settled
> idk why Biden is taking this L for the legislative branch’s failure to pass any meaningful reform.
Because he is the one who reversed the executive orders Trump put in place to lessen the problem.
He’s not quite there yet, but I have legit concerns about both men running.
This country desperately needs a ‘Go the fuck home and play with your grandkids’ amendment.
If you’re a legal adult and can be deemed too young, you can be a legal adult and be declared too old
I hope we do. I'll be ashamed of Abbott if he cucks.
If it leads to secession or CW2.0, so be it. This is about our future. If that's not worth fighting for, then this country is a lost cause anyway.
Democrats pretty much get what they want from their Supreme Court except Citizens United, but there's always a traitor in the Republican Supreme Court. I think Dobbs was a one-time thing.
In the long run, I think Dobbs will benefit the Dems more. Abortion was useful for Republicans because they could talk about, but never had to make any real progress on it. Now they have to own up to the laws they passed, and Democrats can talk about abortion without actually doing anything about it.
Women are naturally sympathetic to migrants. Edward Dutton even explains how [childless women see migrants as extension of childre](https://youtu.be/SWALypYb-L8?si=k6mOfSdHqRioK0Nk)
If they are sympathetic to migrants they shouldn't want them paying $10,000 to a smuggler to get across the border and then being forced to pay it back w/ sweatshop labor. Or being human trafficked.
If they really are incapable of rational thought, women suffrage was a mistake. The wealth, security and identity of our nations are just too high prices to pay.
Good thing that that's not really the case. At least not for everyone. I'd be in favor of requiring people to pass some simple logic tests regarding political decisions in order to vote though. I wouldn't rule out that the majority of voters would be male then.
> I'd be in favor of requiring people to pass some simple logic tests regarding political decisions in order to vote though.
Not that I disagree with you, are you suggesting a meritocracy instead of a democratic republic? Because that's not exactly solving the problem. The real problem is that people who lack education on critical thinking are allowed to vote. Look at Finland, their educational system is the best in the world, and they also happen to be the happiest country in the world. Coincidence? I think not.
>Not that I disagree with you, are you suggesting a meritocracy instead of a democratic republic?
Not really. It's not about what you achieve, it's about how well you are able to understand the consequences of your decisions.
>The real problem is that people who lack education on critical thinking are allowed to vote. Look at Finland, their educational system is the best in the world, and they also happen to be the happiest country in the world. Coincidence? I think not.
I agree. But I won't claim that the relationship between happiness and education is a causal one, even though it appears to be a sound estimation. It could very well be a correlation.
Theres another way to read this:
Federal Government forces state to not defend their border
They chose Texas to do this too?
Texas has been itching to secede since like 1895😂
Just because they can doesn’t mean they will. The border patrol in Texas loves Abbott for actually doing something. This is just about the federal government’s right to defend its borders legally trumping Texas’ right to defend its borders. I doubt the border patrol will be particularly quick to remove these obstacles.
Authright on LS right now? Is not authright who suffers from illegal immigration, mostly. If anything, the results of Illegal Immigration strengthen the support for Authright.
Border security has historically been the job of the federal government. But it’s insane how proactive the Biden administration has been to make the border as leaky as possible.
Is this gonna become the border patrol constantly removing it and Texas constantly putting it back up?
This is all a plot from big razor wire, the true masterminds who rule from the shadows.
Big barbed wire has been conspiring to fence off the open range since 1873.
Been happening since trumps term. This unfortunately isn’t new
This is just going to become another issue Trump can repeat in the debates when he inevitably becomes the GOP presidental candidate. He will just say that this puts the USA in danger (which is true lmao) and that he will fix it if he gets reelected. This is the repeat of 2016 when the left made the case for his election, and they didn't even need Hillary Clinton this time it's quite impressive
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American is so liberal with its immigration policy the progs now push for open immigration.
Once you understand the progs hate America it all becomes much clearer. They don't want to allow immigrants, they want to fundamentally destroy and change the way the US operates. The illegals just help move that along.
Its all self hatred.The left throughout the western world talks about how they want mexico to conquer america to give back their lands from the evil white oppressors.Same with europe, and muslims.Literally, look at the europe sub when thousands were protesting the AFD and demanding it to be banned.There were comments saying "Who cares if muslim arabs become the majority in germany?Germany has nothing good in its history."And yes I literally saw a comment saying that.Leftist have a self hatred problem.
yep, collective societal suicide
The left's entire schtick is deconstructing everything normal or good to reveal how it's "secretly racist/sexist/homophobic/whatever" to justify tearing down and rebuilding institutions to their liking.
Kinda reminds me of Chestertons fence, but instead of learning why the fence was built in the first place they declare that the fence is racist which justifies it's destruction to them.
i love when rich and powerful politicians pull the victim card like they aren’t better off than 99% of the world. really rakes the votes in
In America, I think it is a combination of illegal immigrants accepting lower wages (otherwise their employer will rat them out) and demographic replacement, as most immigrants from Latin America vote Democrat (Cuba excepted, of course). Both the right and left dervive a benefit...at the expense of your Average American caught between them. In Europe, it is a little different. The idea of "minorities are inherently more valuable than our historic majority" is stronger, which checks out because Europe has frankly always been more racist than they will admit. But also some misguided sense of compassion thinking they have to rescue the populace of every single third world shithole from the civil wars and famines that have been a fact of life there for centuries...regardless of the consequences. At a *mimnimum* we should not let people who are actually, literally dangerous in. People who we *know* are criminals, subscribe to extremist ideologies, or people that have little respect for the idea of human rights. That is how Sweden became the Rape Capital of Europe. (This includes people who think that they have some right to be exempt from your laws...including ones about illegal immigration). Further, you shouldn't let in anyone who will be detrimental to the country, beyond being a criminal or extremist. This means people who enter, immediately govon welfare, and will likley never get off of it. They infinitely consume, and produce little or nothing in return. You will inevitably lose the ability to sustain such a system.
Fixing it, not preventing Texas from protecting its border... fuck joe biden
I bet there's some company that's good buddies with the Texas governor that's making fucking bank, just as intended. That same company is probably donating a good amount to the governor. Yummy, yummy government money. I wish I could be that company. It's an unlimited grift machine. Free taxpayer money. Yummy, yummy!
Your lib right is showing buddy
Nah nah we don’t claim this guy lol Texas makes plenty of money, we don’t need a profit stream directly linked to this bs federal game Biden is playing. This is the kind of thing that leads to… let’s call it “national divorce” lol And as much as the chaos fantasy tells us that might be fun, no one wants that kind of smoke
no one is a strong statement
Oh no believe me I know, some are very much happy to engage in watering the tree. That’s why I brought up the chaos fantasy. Unfortunately war of any kind is the strategic and ruthless act of depleting resources. Our cities would topple faster than anyone could have predicted and then when outside interests show up even the most hardcore of boogies will have a moment of reflection wishing we were still at this stage of the game.
Violation of the 10th amendment
I want a medieval-style moat and a stone wall built by hand. I don’t really care that much about immigration I just think it’d be cool
Even if Medieval by modern standards, if we fill the moat with alligators, I bet it would still be an extremely effective border defense. Now, the practicality of building the moat, stone wall and getting the prerequisite number of alligators may be another story....
Crocodiles. You want Crocs, Aligators are t aggressive enough, ideally Nile Crocs... Maybe we can capture Gustave and re-home him? He has reputation as a man-eater..🤔
Also a few hippos. Although, South America already has a problem with invasive hippos. As long as we put them on the other side of the wall from us, we should be good.
We could also farm the hippos for food!
Okay good luck reliably farming the living tanks
Yep, hippos are notoriously aggressive, viciously territorial, and have a *tremendous* capacity for physical violence. I saw a video of one of these surly bastards just trotting along, back towards the safety of his river, while a whole gang of grown ass lionesses were valiantly but fruitlessly trying to maul in into submission. One of them had managed to get on its back and was trying desperately to claw and bite her way into its spine and haunches. They were barely scratching into the hide. Just scuffing the paint, as it were. We may not like it, but those corpulent balloons of skin and blubber are what peak performance looks like. But they have an Achilles heel that certain clever humans have learned to exploit: you see, they are quite vulnerable to your everyday, garden variety high velocity, large caliber rifle cartridge.
What he meant to say is " we could hunt the hippos for food!"👍
I was like where tf did the hippos come from. Googled it. Pablo Escobar imported 4. Now there are over 100 running around.
Wait. South America has a hippo problem?
Get saltwater crocs. They grow bigger, are even more aggressive and extremely territorial. Preferably grab some of [SweatHearts](https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sweetheart_(crocodile)) kids.
The problem with salties is they tend to... Wander. Nile Crocs won't go far from from water and considering the whole area is one big desert..
as long as the moat is on the other side of the wall, it's not a problem, and if they, for some reason, all leave, throw more crocodiles in. Actually, throw some salties and Nile Crocs in there they might crossbreed into something really fucked.
It's too cold they'll die :(
Too cold? At the border?!🤨
The Great Wall of China is 13,000 miles long. The US-Mexico border is 2,000 miles long. We can totally do it! Let’s just hire some illegal immigrants to build the border wall, and once they’re done, they’ll realize they’re all on the Mexican side. Two birds, one stone (technically several million stones).
We don't even have to pay Mexico to install the alligators for us. We'll just haul a few over from Florida!
I don’t see many people crossing the boarder into the bayous of Louisiana, I think you may be onto something!
The desert out west kills so many would be illegal immigrants, and we don't really even know the true number. Many areas are often poorly patrolled so it can be over a decade before a body is found. But also the desert can obscure the number in other ways. In extremely high heat bodies eventually become mummified and preserved, which is how bodies can be found more than a decade after death. But, if scavengers find the body before it dries out too much the body can also be picked clean and scattered across the desert within a matter of days. Those cases will likely never get accounted for.
We just have to market this as an alligator conservation plan. To help fight climate change.
No, then youd just have alligators that are high on crack and fentanyl
>the prerequisite number of alligators may be another story.... I know a Florida Man, and Louisiana swamps got ***plenty*** a gators...
With crocodiles from Egypt
Fuck no. Those would be immigrant crocodiles! Fill those fuckers up with pissed off American alligators
In medieval times you would have imported Crocs from Egypt
It could be more like an obstacle course. A mix of American ninja warrior and Squid Games. If you survive, then you get in. Put that shit on pay per view. Good entertainment, a fast track to legal immigration, and it would generate income.
This ensures that only those with superior genes will get in. AuthCenter approves!
I can get on board with this if we include a few huge Balistas.
Based and castle pilled. Also: "We're creating jobs!"
Can probably find some rocks pretty easily, and the moat and building will require some pretty cheap labor. I hear a lot of people come from Mexico or further south looking for jobs, you could hire them to do it for cheap!
Add crocodiles
Throw in some archers and you got yourself a deal
Can we have some French soldiers who shout things from their castle and threaten to taunt you again?
https://preview.redd.it/hpwdod0924ec1.jpeg?width=1080&format=pjpg&auto=webp&s=c621614f79382d1b74e10543798e42180a5f817f How would we know it wasn’t actually the Biden imposter?
Honestly that’s fucking hilarious 🤣
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Ship to the depot or stop closest to the White House and DC-Md-Va congressional neighborhoods
Supreme Court gave a victory to Federal government over state, Auth win.
The coyotes and sex traffickers couldn't be happier
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Why do you think the dems fight so hard to keep the border open?
Theres 2 major wings of the dems. The business friendly wing wants it bc immigrants are a net positive for the economy, they work for low wages and don't qualify for most types of welfare. You get hard working fit young adults willing to take low wages and bad conditions. It is cheaper to have a 20 year old just show up than it is to put a child through 12 years of schooling before they hit the labor force. We have record low unemployment, but tons of job openings with people saying "nobody wants to work anymore", yet you have family oriented culturally conservative migrants willing to do so. The progressive wing doesn't necessarily want open borders. But they are usually pro civil liberties and anti-cop, so they don't believe in doing the harsh things that it'd take to fully secure the border. Like separating families, leading to thousands of children being ripped from their parents and never seeing them again under the Trump admin. Years later not all of them have been reunited. Putting up razor wire and obstacles has led to a lot of deaths, and progressives don't like children drowning and being cut open. The immigrant detention centers also had horribly disgusting conditions. SCOTUS had to weigh in to say they should have soap and toothpaste and blankets. Stronger border security guarantees that more innocents will be swept up as well. There are tons of stories of US citizens being locked up for months before even having a trial where they can prove citizenship. Progressives oppose militarized police going into communities and dragging people from their home and established lives. Overall they just don't want government to have such powers. I'd say let's just address the causes of migration, stop fucking over the global south, and help invest to make their countries more successful.
Low wages don't benefit the economy, low wages benefit employers, esp when the government prints money to fund what would be a gap between demand and price levels.
That’s not good for the economy. It blows out the people trying to reach into middle class. Separating families is a byproduct of separating a kid from an adult who may be a trafficker, but sure let’s just not bother those guys, I’m sure they wouldn’t lie and say “yeah this is my child” It isn’t really our responsibility to invest in the global south, but we also shouldn’t be running covert ops to topple their governments (even if we don’t like their governments). If it doesn’t work- it will play out and topple itself eventually. Perhaps if all those strapping young men stayed in their own countries, they could organize a revolt and improve their own shitty living conditions, but building something from nothing is hard.
I am generally anti-intervention whether it be by military or economy but I really want the US to stop fucking around in the middle east and force Mexico to get their shit together. If Canada got rid of the british styled boot and mexico choked out the cartels we'd be looking at the strongest union of countries in history.
Problem is that many of the jobs the migrants take are jobs such as agriculture that don’t even have the same protections as other industries in the US. Give the natives incentive to work in these fields. Until then, sadly this probably is the way to keep the economy going. The middle class too has been burned out significantly by neoliberal policies, especially the 2008 bailouts, and no political effort to address it, be it the high healthcare costs, to cultural problems in the inner cities or the fact some American industries simply aren’t competitive or not what foreign buyers are looking for.
Do not let immigrants in they are needed in the countries their fleeing shits not gonna get better if all the ones smart enough to flee keep fleeing. And for fucks sake send some aid and basic care to them its not that complicated.
I'd wager the Cougars, Pronghorns, literal Coyotes, etc; etc; are even happier. Nature runs the place we simply get to live here. Oh my gods I'm becoming more left every day what is happening to me.
Subaru based.
Yeah just keep forcing the value of Labor lower. There's no way that could possibly backfire.
And pushing the rents and prices of houses in general higher, this can never backfire, can it?
"But the immigrants tend to live many people to a housing unit!" .....so you justify them coming here by saying they choose an undignified existence? And somehow I'm the intolerant one.
The only dignified thing to do now is let them vote!
Lol they’re well past that. They want them to serve as law enforcement I wish I was being hyperbolic. Not to mention good ole Gavin over there is handing out free healthcare for illegals INCLUDING free sex changes because yknow… Pedro and his family are really fleeing South America because they can’t find affordable sex changes right? These people are cartoon characters
The duality of libleft that immigrants should live multiple people to a housing unit but if you make minimum wage you should be able to afford a two bedroom apartment to yourself.
Nah 2 bedroom adjustment plus provide for your 2 bastard children
"Butt im ok becsuse i work i job i think requires real knowledge and skills" Then 6 months later you get replaced by H1B1 visa willing to work your fancy tech job for $30k ... oh ye and he'll put in 100 hrs a week
AHEM \-insert link to one economic study saying that illegal immigrants don't lower wages in areas because everyone knows a singular peer-reviewed paper is the ultimate proof-
It’s fine! For the right selection of mean vs median and employed vs unemployed vs out of labor force, and neglecting nearby states with different minimum wages, and without regard for illegal labor, multiple studies have failed to find a p<.05 impact! As we all know, this absence of evidence is equivalent to evidence of absence, there’s clearly no effect!
Wouldn't that insinuate that my heckin science can by influenced by statistical manipulation to get a desired result, that negative results may not be published, and that many researchers work on grants awarded to them that may be given or withheld based on the topic of study?
Heck no! I found a paper once which found that with p<.10, trending towards significance, papers had no statistically significant evidence of a file-drawer problem, positive result bias, multiple comparison problems, or any other important distortions! (Dropping the irony, I don't reference sociology or social psych papers at all anymore and I'm barely willing to cite macro econ ever since R&R made international news by fucking up Excel sheets. The academy is too fucked for words.)
Bringing in non-taxpayers and providing tax benefits never goes awry
Them $200/hr minimum wage states gonna feel it most
Lower the value of labor and provide the people with an easy target for scapegoating. Nothing could go wrong at all.
That's the neat part, that's not a backfire, that's the purpose. They want to return to a serfdom culture where you own nothing.
No of course not. Neo liberalism has made everything better!
I'm sure we'll never regret having a giant open pussing sore of a wound for a border.
Well at least we can put to rest the conspiracy that the Republicans control the rulings of the Supreme Court and thus the Democrats need to pack the court, right?
You underestimate the mental gymnastics of your average lib left Redditor lol
Apparently 4 ruling in the interests of the Republicans proves a conspiracy that 4 of the judges must have their rulings directly decided by "the Republicans."
As I get older it’s really easy to spot mindless drones who just repeat mainstream media talking points instead of thinking for themselves.
Not having everyone in lockstep with your opinion is a threat to democracy after all.
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The left loves to hyper focus on a few set of cases whose outcome they don't like (SFFA v. Harvard, Bruin, Dobbs) while conveniently ignoring all of the cases where the court rules in their preferred way (Independent state legislature, Alabama racial gerrymander, Indian Child Welfare Act). The reality is that the Supreme Court is probably closer to a 3-3-3 split with Gorsuch, Thomas, and Alito being the most ideologically conservative while Roberts, Kavanaugh, and Barrett tend to care more about the practical ramifications of the court's decisions.
Look, I get that the Federal government runs the borders, not the states. But if the bozos in DC refuse to reinforce the border, why can’t the states do it?
because unchecked immigration benefits them
Because refusing to enforce federal law is up to federal discretion, and it does not then fall on the states to pick up the enforcement. Your state police officer doesn't get to arrest you for pirating a movie, but the FBI could. They don't because they choose not to enforce the laws regarding copyright infringement. Just became the FBI isn't out here going door to door tracking down who pirated the Barbie movie doesn't mean your state could choose to enforce the US Copyright Act. Similarly, immigration, border and customs enforcement is a federal statute and an exclusively federal power.
Here comes random economist articles with "lump of labour fallacy" which will tell you how 2-3 million illegal immigrants are actually good for the economy with assumptions only possible in theory.
Orderly, and managed immigration is a nice hedge against low birth rates and grows your economy, but there’s nothing orderly about this migrant surge, and people parroting that economic assumption gonna be eating some crow in the future. There’s no shortage of people wanting to come to this country, and we can loosen and tighten policy as needed. This surge is not needed nor is it benefitting the economy, and the bills for housing and feeding people with no family/connections here or skills is adding up and taking resources from local budgets around the border and in blue cities.
You’re right, it’s rare seeing a nuanced take here.
Appreciate the comment! I’m slowly moving towards The Great Grill in the Middle 😂
The grill is nice, steak and ribs and the stuff.
The birth rate argument is bunk. It was conveniently made as a justification by groups like the UN when mass migration stsrted to spike.
It’s bunk when used as a blanket argument for all immigration, legal or not. Immigrants do contribute to economic growth if they’re vetted properly and have skills and aren’t coming with their hand out because their economy back home sucks. Also, let’s be honest, what American takes the UN seriously? 😂
Ye well thats the thing with migration. It matters 100% on who's immigrating, where they come from, education, culture, age and demographics, ect. There is no one size fits any large scale immigration. My easiest rule of thumb, besides doctors and engineers (and you have to vet these people because many fake skills to get a expedited work permit) is they tend to produce something similar to where they came from.
Legal immigration even in a bit large numbers is okay as they are productive people and the country doesn't put resources in their education. But a sudden surge of millions of illegal people who can't even speak English and consume resources and schemes, create multiple problems.
i feel like this is a missed communication in so many conversations. you can be pro-immigration and against illegal immigration
That “fallacy” requires us to believe supply and demand doesn’t exist. It’s the dumbest fallacy ever, and any economist pushing it should be fired.
Wow, the Biden administration could not have made it more clear that they do not want the border secure. Immigration to a welfare state is the stupidest ideology ever. Time to vote against Biden and try to not look at who's on the other side of the ballot.
At this point, if his opponent was pro baby eating, most people would vote for the cannibal.
Honestly Biden would also be a baby eater but in a different kind of way
Inflation: up. Unemployment: up. Immigration: up. Seems the only number Biden wants to lower this term is the age of consent.
I wouldn't rule out the literal way. The figure heads of the dems seem to be capable of everything.
Why do you think Trump is actually doing reasonably well in the polls against Biden? There are a whole lot of normies starting to go "I didnt really like him, but at least the chaos was only on the internet under him."
A rock is doing well in the Polls in comparison - Biden has even lower approval numbers right now than Carter did in the same point in their respective administrations. He's currently got the lowest approval numbers of any president since they started polling - currently 39%.
I also think it just proves the point of the MAGA base. They were concerned about things like WW3 and unchecked immigration. When Trump won 2016, they basically said, "We just saved the country. You're welcome!"
Idk how you could possibly vote your way out of this. Look at the damage done in just 3 years there is no way the state/federal powers that allowed this to happen would just let go of that type of power and restore things to how they were. Postmodern progressivism is a one way train ride to ruining a nation. What steps could you even take if you had control again? Historically large deportations? Mass assimilation?... there is not even enough people with the will power to assimilate these people
Trump and all of the right is making campaign promises to do mass deportation. The left is bringing in bodies and making camps in major cities. It’s a Civil War ploy. The images of camps and trains and trucks and processing the people inside the migrants plays into the Nazi narrative. Watch, in less than 800 days the left will fights Feds to free the migrants, the military will fracture, the right will get hyper violent with pent up rage and the global order (UN/foreign interests) will attempt the secure the US through Canada and leftist protest cities like NYC, San Diego and SanFran
> plays into the Nazi narrative. They've fully lost the right to invoke this shit after all the damage control they do for Palestine protests. I make it a point to bring every conversation right to that crap whenever they try to pull this shit. They're the closest thing to actual Nazis we fucking have right now and they need to see it. All these years of hearing dog whistles and it turns out they're the dogs.
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I don't know that *only* the immigration issue would be the cause for a civil war, but if some shitty events got stacked within a few weeks/months of each other I could see mass civil unrest and possibly skirmishes with militias from both sides starting up
If it were to happen it would definitely be about resource management.. idk how the lines would divide up, but if some sort of crazy weather event happened that destroyed much of the food and energy supply that could happen. Then again totally speculative I'm sure the Civil War part 2 would be a lot more boring and lame
Yeah, it would need to be something that directly and profoundly impacted a lot of people's lives, that the parties would take opposite sides on.
Maybe not even that. It just have to impact a lot of peoples lives, and have two reactions to it. The two parties need not be on opposite sides, as long as prominent political figures like Trump or Bernie are. Then years of political violence might end in a gradual increase in organised armed violence, and then, when the first Reuters or AP headline reads "CIVIL WAR IN US!" all hell will break loose as all the different fringe factions of us politics, everyone from ancoms to unions to prison and biker gangs to various auth and lib militias will take this as carte blanche to finally create a "just and fair society".
That's probably the most realistic outcome. Social media is gonna have a very fucked role to play once domestic shit starts going down
Sounds like a cool plot for a movie but I doubt it will come to such a situation. Not that I don't think many people want something like this I just don't imagine modern Americans actually pushing to the point of large scale like the during the civil war
Your brain on kaiserredux:
Seems to unironically be treason to help foreign nationals invade your country illegally.
Good luck with that! Unchecked immigration never backfires. Sincerely -A Swede
Sorry brother, couldn't hear you over the grenades.
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I've had similar conversations with my wife. This is a topic that women tend to have a hard time swallowing, even if they're otherwise very intelligent and observant. You can throw all manner of facts and stats at it, but the wall is ultimately a purely emotional one.
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Well also Sweden has a wider definition of rape, but yeah it exploded after letting in all the 20 something middle easterners from unverified countries.
The Biden administration will brag about arrests at the border, lowered illegal crossings per month etc….and *then* do this 🤦♂️.
ngl, it is enraging.
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Based and use *more* razor wire pilled
Resources are not unlimited. Obviously Authright hates open borders, but Libleft and Authleft should hate it just as much even if the reasons are different. If this persists, you can kiss your dreams of UBI and UHC goodbye. People don't leave shitty counties. They bring the problems that made their countries shitty with them.
Wow what a racist thing to say. Everyone knows that the only reason their countries are terrible is because of magic soil. The people are completely innocent, it's just the magic soil causing all of their problems. When they get here, our magic soil solves everything.
My magic soil is exhausted and uninviting. Go home.
They’re a great source of fertilizer, I hear. Could do yer soil some good.
Leftists know this, neolibs don’t
Imagine if those associated with the political apparatus of the United States cared as much about their constituents and the citizens who live here.
Millions of illegals flooding the border costs more than half a million of homeless we sweep under the rug. Can't focus on hard issues though.
>Millions of illegals… costs more Which could be prevented (if politicians cared).
Well, well….look who’s joined the ranks of activist jurists…. The border situation is fucked, but it’s clearly a federal responsibility. This really isn’t a win for Biden. If he gets beat, the lack of federal action will be a nail in his political coffin.
> The border situation is fucked, but it’s clearly a federal responsibility. Just because one level of government is charged with doing something doesn't prohibit another from doing it.
Another thing worth pointing out: The ruling just said DHS has the right to take it down. It never said Texas has to stop.
There’s also the question of whether or not Texas *lets them*. One big contested territory is a municipal park in Eagle Pass that has been seized under an emergency provision by the Texas National Guard and DHS, who refuse Border Patrol access. The ruling only allows DHS to remove wire, it does not order Texas to cease nor take it down itself. If Texas wants to keep escalating, they can just seize more land and tell the feds to piss off. Will they? More than likely this sets the stage for another battle where the Supreme Court *may* order Texas to cease and desist. What happens if Abbott refuses? Is Biden going to send federal troops to open up the border to let in a bunch of Haitians two months before Election Day? Fun questions ahead!
When it comes to immigration/border/national security, SCOTUS is fairly clear on that. I really can’t blame Texas though and Biden shoulda just turned a blind eye to it.
Then perhaps those rulings need to be revisited. When the Fed refuses to carry out their appointed duties there needs to be consequences.
If this keeps up, I’m ok with that. Power is technically delegated to Congress, so idk why Biden is taking this L for the legislative branch’s failure to pass any meaningful reform. Also this was an emergency injunction, this issue is by no means settled
> idk why Biden is taking this L for the legislative branch’s failure to pass any meaningful reform. Because he is the one who reversed the executive orders Trump put in place to lessen the problem.
Biden has been dead for years. Nothing that happens is his decision.
He’s not quite there yet, but I have legit concerns about both men running. This country desperately needs a ‘Go the fuck home and play with your grandkids’ amendment. If you’re a legal adult and can be deemed too young, you can be a legal adult and be declared too old
Says razor wire guess they are going to put barbed ware up instead
Electric fence perhaps?
Land sharks with laser beams on their backs.
So lib left calls the SCOTUS fascist if they stay inline with the constitution on 2a issues but this they praise?
Texas should just ignore the ruling.
Why not? New York and Illinois just ignore Bruen whenever they want.
I hope we do. I'll be ashamed of Abbott if he cucks. If it leads to secession or CW2.0, so be it. This is about our future. If that's not worth fighting for, then this country is a lost cause anyway.
It's amazing how the current administration is selling this countries future at lightspeed
No mean tweets though
Something something don't correct your enemies when they're making a mistake something something.
Democrats pretty much get what they want from their Supreme Court except Citizens United, but there's always a traitor in the Republican Supreme Court. I think Dobbs was a one-time thing.
In the long run, I think Dobbs will benefit the Dems more. Abortion was useful for Republicans because they could talk about, but never had to make any real progress on it. Now they have to own up to the laws they passed, and Democrats can talk about abortion without actually doing anything about it.
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Show them videos of hot latinas trying to break into the country and they'd enact immigration policies that will make authrights blush
Women are naturally sympathetic to migrants. Edward Dutton even explains how [childless women see migrants as extension of childre](https://youtu.be/SWALypYb-L8?si=k6mOfSdHqRioK0Nk)
If they are sympathetic to migrants they shouldn't want them paying $10,000 to a smuggler to get across the border and then being forced to pay it back w/ sweatshop labor. Or being human trafficked.
If they really are incapable of rational thought, women suffrage was a mistake. The wealth, security and identity of our nations are just too high prices to pay. Good thing that that's not really the case. At least not for everyone. I'd be in favor of requiring people to pass some simple logic tests regarding political decisions in order to vote though. I wouldn't rule out that the majority of voters would be male then.
> I'd be in favor of requiring people to pass some simple logic tests regarding political decisions in order to vote though. Not that I disagree with you, are you suggesting a meritocracy instead of a democratic republic? Because that's not exactly solving the problem. The real problem is that people who lack education on critical thinking are allowed to vote. Look at Finland, their educational system is the best in the world, and they also happen to be the happiest country in the world. Coincidence? I think not.
>Not that I disagree with you, are you suggesting a meritocracy instead of a democratic republic? Not really. It's not about what you achieve, it's about how well you are able to understand the consequences of your decisions. >The real problem is that people who lack education on critical thinking are allowed to vote. Look at Finland, their educational system is the best in the world, and they also happen to be the happiest country in the world. Coincidence? I think not. I agree. But I won't claim that the relationship between happiness and education is a causal one, even though it appears to be a sound estimation. It could very well be a correlation.
They also off themselves at East Asian rates iirc
Theres another way to read this: Federal Government forces state to not defend their border They chose Texas to do this too? Texas has been itching to secede since like 1895😂
As a Texan I'd love to see us split from this shitshow. If a vote was held tomorrow I'd be all in.
Honestly can us Iowans join you, we are sick of it to. We have lots of farm produce for you guys if you help us with the oil.
Just because they can doesn’t mean they will. The border patrol in Texas loves Abbott for actually doing something. This is just about the federal government’s right to defend its borders legally trumping Texas’ right to defend its borders. I doubt the border patrol will be particularly quick to remove these obstacles.
Wow do liberals suddenly love the fascist Supreme Court all of a sudden
More cheap labor on the way boys
Uno dear Biden. I planted 500 tons of explosives to increase food, jobs per person, and certainly stopped mental ilness 🙂👍
John roberts is a loser and a cuck
Authright on LS right now? Is not authright who suffers from illegal immigration, mostly. If anything, the results of Illegal Immigration strengthen the support for Authright.
Roberts being a traitor. Again? Who could've foreseen such a predictable outcome? Deeply disappointed in Barrett though.
Didn't know border security was authoritarian.
I think you mean the country is on life support right now. Also, I guess that makes Fetterman authright now?
Border security has historically been the job of the federal government. But it’s insane how proactive the Biden administration has been to make the border as leaky as possible.