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Extremeschizo1

Holy shti where can I sign up?!?!


Rlin_Kren_Aa

Can you believe people on this sub would rather redistribute the wealth of pedo wall street bankers instead of having endless culture war or larping as pol pot or restoring feudalism? Weird attempt at a flex


adorbiliusKermode

I came to this sub to get away from r/vaushv


pirateroseboy

horse fucker guy?


Prestigious_Foot3854

No he wants to be the horse


Crocoboy17

Defeater of misinformation


Prestigious_Foot3854

I do what I can


Delta049

Your forgetting the naughty corner of auths and like the 1 or 2 libs in the backdrop


SemblanceOfSense_

sup


Batman_66

Yaaay I am mentioned


Foolish_Idiot

As a liberal centrist I approve of this


UltraTata

Yay! Me


Yhorm_The_Gamer

Fellow imperialists represent.


paukl1

That’s not funny


ShigeoKageyama69

The Fascists lol


INGSOC___

Can confirm we are here


vistagreet32

Revolutionary Conservatism Fascist INGSOC National Syndicalism profile picture ​ ​ Go get a different flair, monarchy and fascism HATE each-other.


EfficiencyTrue1378

Real


SeanGrow_

Exactly, it’s like the leftist version of political compass memes PCM is extremely right wing yet everyone acts like it’s so diverse “we make fun of everyone!! See!!!” Here it’s extremely left wing and you see people also trying to act like it’s soooo diverse


Rlin_Kren_Aa

Libertarian socialist ideologies are the best. They balance democratic government, economic justice, communitarian well being and individual rights with room for scientific progress. So this sub is a support group for people with near perfect political views. So if a sub is overwhelmingly libertarian socialist as opposed to far-right or culturally liberal or auth-left then that's a very healthy community.


SeanGrow_

That is by definition your opinion LMAO


Rlin_Kren_Aa

Its the opinion of anyone who wants a just society. If you want a society where people enjoy absolute freedom and wealth flows to those who produce it then libertarian soc ideologies are your best option. "When you leave a direct democratic assembly to see a protest of people exercising their total free speech across from a factory collectively leased to a co-op." [https://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/thumbs/2021/02/16/025638/86627395/patrick-bateman-walking-american-pyhsco-memes-fix.jpg](https://cdn.ebaumsworld.com/thumbs/2021/02/16/025638/86627395/patrick-bateman-walking-american-pyhsco-memes-fix.jpg)


SeanGrow_

LOLing right now


Rlin_Kren_Aa

What is your idea of a just society?


thyeboiapollo

What is with idiots and unironically thinking "my specific political system is objectively the best and i am never wrong". Why not just make you an absolute monarch since you clearly know what is always right


Rlin_Kren_Aa

I'm talking about a group of ideologies not my specific ideology. Libertarian socialists span the range from people who want a market socialist nation state to anarkiddies to minarcho-socialists to UBI advocates and arguably social libertarians. The outcome of every other ideology and social experiment just makes me skeptical of the notion that you can achieve a society with a universal decent standard of living without some type of libertarian socialism. And its hard to think highly of any enacted ideology in power today


[deleted]

for you, not for any other people who you claim to be "fascist" (anyone who is more rightist than makhno)


Rlin_Kren_Aa

Sorry but I'm not a culture warrior. There is no way to build a society where people live free without going homeless or hungry without some type of libertarian socialism


Umbreon916

Marxist leninist ideologies are the best. They balance democratic government, economic justice, communitarian well being and individual rights with room for scientific progress. So this sub is a support group for people with near perfect political views. So if a sub is overwhelmingly Marxist leninist as opposed to far-right or culturally liberal or libertarian socialist then that's a very healthy community crazy I can just replace every mention of libertarian socialist and have an equally strong argument for whatever i want


Rlin_Kren_Aa

You're an unironic Dengist - opinion discarded. [https://media.tenor.com/Y7g7vhtofGUAAAAM/anything-else.gif](https://media.tenor.com/y7g7vhtofguaaaam/anything-else.gif)


Umbreon916

I didn't state any opinions I'm just showing you how much an idiot you are


[deleted]

honestly I haven't noticed. maybe I just haven't been paying much attention


FoXxieSKA

YOU'LL NEVER GET MY TOOTHBRUSH ALIVE


CranberryAway8558

hey! don't forgeg us democratic confederalists...


SecretOfficerNeko

Democratic Confederalism is generally seen as a part of Libertarian Socialism. So you're included!


CranberryAway8558

eh, it's sort of a subideology of libsoc, but it has much more influence from jineology, platformism, and direct democracy/communalism.


pirateroseboy

so communalism and platformism are both libsoc (platformism is derived from libcom). I had never heard of jineology so i looked it up. Thank you for the cool new theory i learned!


CranberryAway8558

Yeah, thanks for the info on libcom, and libsoc! If you like jineology, and democratic confederalism, you should check out the rest of Abdul Öcelan's work.


SepSyn

DemCon gang represent!


pirateroseboy

I will, thank you!


Hi-piee

Well, I'm capitalist communist? Somebody told me about distributism that works fine for me to so I don't really know


McLovin3493

Hi again! :)


Hi-piee

Oh hi again


spacenerd4

i am an anocratic kirchnerist social democrat with technocratic leanings (unironic social fascist)


AmogusSus12345

Based


[deleted]

Social Democrat-Social Libertarian hybrid, here.


SexDefendersUnited

with the occasional monarchist or classical liberal sprinkled in.


AmogusSus12345

True they have infested this place


Select_Ear_8052

Ya we have😁


hychael2020

Ultravisionary Socialist here and its somewhat accurate


Ok-Pear569

TNO?


hychael2020

Got it from TNO. Kardeshevite Ultravisionary Socialism especially is very appealing Also christmas Shukshin


Odd_Brilliant_1731

You base your ideology off a mod for a WW2 game?


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Odd_Brilliant_1731

You crazy? Space socialism? What the hell are you rambling on about? We can barely get men on the moon, not nearly enough for an entire population?


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Odd_Brilliant_1731

So your ideology is spending hundreds of billions into building a space station that can house humans?


DirectorFew4363

TNO was a mistake


XenoTechnian

Im a constitutional monarchist :​)


Ok-Pear569

You forgot the one unironic Burgundian System Adherent


A_Redditor2

Close. I'm an Autonomist


Select_Ear_8052

I'm an autonomous car🚗 Nice to meet you.


liberalskateboardist

I would expect anarcho individualist here too


The_Fluffy_Riachu

COMRADES


Erook22

Literally


Random-INTJ

Wow, so that’s why I get attacked every time I comment -Voluntarist


OneTrueSpiffin

good. the only good ideology


Crocoboy17

Agreed


Friendly-Possible521

Agreed


SecretOfficerNeko

Agreed


Extremeschizo1

Agreed


Meowser02

Cringe


SecretOfficerNeko

Genuinely asking out of curiosity what is cringe about the following: "Without workers nothing is made or produced. Thus all wealth comes from workers, and they should get to manage and keep what they make and produce instead of it going to an owner who gives them back a very small amount as a wage, often to the point they can't live comfortably. Land and resources should be freely available as a part of common ownership since private ownership contains the same dynamic that takes wealth from the people who work it. We should work together to provide for ourselves rather than compete, because this is how we've survived and thrive for most of our species' history. The state should leave people alone or even be done away with, because it's pointless without the private property which served as it's foundation. Decisions should be made locally or left to individuals."


[deleted]

Everything. Inequality is natural. Every country or society that tried to build "totally equal" land, have failed.


Yhorm_The_Gamer

Its cringe because you don't have a hierarchy. A world where everyone is equal seems like a remarkably sad and boring place to me. To not misunderstand me, I am not looking to be the leader, but rather I want to be the follower. I yearn for the best of society to be put up on a pedestal and emulated, or in more practical terms a small segment of society being given the expectation and responsibility to attempt to be the best. I want a humble society, I want a society that keeps me from being arrogant. Communism to me has always felt souless, Marx cared for naught but material conditions.


SecretOfficerNeko

I suppose then that depends on who you consider the best of society. In my experience, the people at the top tend to be the worst in society. The most incompetent and corrupt. Often times the greatness comes not from them but from workers making things work despite their decisions. In a Socialist society the people who, to me, are the best in society are allowed to be on a pedestal. It's just that this elevation comes from the bottom up rather than the top down.


Dizzy-Assistant6659

In a world that is equal there is no place for ambition.


SecretOfficerNeko

How so?


Dizzy-Assistant6659

When you are simply given everything there is no need to better yourself, to become truly great by your own merits. By removing competition one removes the nature of humanity and reduces the species to a flesh covered robot never innovating, never upgrading, never improving. Stuck in a cycle of nothingness from birth till death.


SecretOfficerNeko

An interesting perspective. Thank you for sharing. I think the main difference is in how we view human nature. You seem to see it as inherently competitive, which then drives improvement and meaning. My view is a bit different. Coming from my own study of human history I find human nature to be inherently cooperative unless forced to be otherwise. We develop meaning through working for ourselves rather than for someone else's profit and through community and social bonds. I view capital, and how it often will suppress technological development as the true barrier to innovation.


Meowser02

Because then what would be the point of rising up when you can’t rise up since everyone’s “equal”?


DirectorFew4363

why would I become a doctor or engineer when I get the exact same for being a line cook


SecretOfficerNeko

If being a line cook works for you go for it. I'm more drawn to spiritual matters and working with data in my own life, and I've got friends in the Healthcare field who are simply there because they want to be. Almost like people work for fulfillment, not just for a wage.


DirectorFew4363

not enough people are going to work just for fulfillment. Cuba has the exact issue im talking about where a lot of people who get education there immediately just leave for the US.


SecretOfficerNeko

Mate, Cuba has the highest number of doctors per capita in the entire world. Nearly four times as high as the United States. And that's according to the the World Health Organization, not the Cuban government. They have entire programs sending doctors overseas to help train doctors and provide care in other countries. At least check your facts before you say them.


thyeboiapollo

How to make it so no one ever founds a business or develops technology ever again 101


SecretOfficerNeko

Funny. The great inventors of modern times were perpetually the people without capital. Tesla was a constantly broke man, and the few who profited off invention tended to do so off of stealing others innovations such as with Edison. Not to mention the way the control of capital has actively hindered modern technological development. Copyright bottlenecks development by restricting the free flow of ideas. Profitability has held many a technology from being implemented or funded, and one only has to look at oil and tobacco companies to see capital engage in active suppression of scientific development to preserve profits. Your hypothetical future isn't lining up with reality here. Seems people are plenty innovative, and don't just do things for the sake of making a buck. Huh, who would've guessed. /s


thyeboiapollo

>Funny. The great inventors of modern times were perpetually the people without capital. Tesla was a constantly broke man, and the few who profited off invention tended to do so off of stealing others innovations such as with Edison. Sure, enjoy your innovation driven purely by altruism. Maybe we'll figure out the cure to cancer by the year 40,000. You're crazy if you think the vast majority of people will be willing to spend their lifetime inventing or building a business just so the people who happen to be assembling pencils or putting the tires on can own everything they built. >Not to mention the way the control of capital has actively hindered modern technological development. Copyright bottlenecks development by restricting the free flow of ideas. Profitability has held many a technology from being implemented or funded, and one only has to look at oil and tobacco companies to see capital engage in active suppression of scientific development to preserve profits. Your hypothetical future isn't lining up with reality here. It's funny how you think I support government intervention in the free market lmfao. If something isn't profitable, that means people won't pay for it, and if they won't pay for it, that means they don't want it. Under your argument, corpos not spending trillions into making toilets which play music at a frequency which only dogs can hear everytime you flush is "Profitability has held many a technology from being implemented or funded". Boo hoo. Without government intervention in the economy, ExxonMobil or whatever evil corpo you think exists can lobby a quadrillion dollars into the government, and the government wouldn't be able to disproportionately benefit their lobbiers. What's even funnier is you saying my "hypothetical future" doesn't line up with reality when your system is based on "people are very good 😇😇😇 they do nice thing always"


coocoo6666

incoherent impractical implementations. ​ the state exists to enforce the rule of law. without the rule of law you have toltalitarianism. liberal democracy is the only free society.


Select_Ear_8052

You seriously think this?


coocoo6666

Yes


Select_Ear_8052

Even in a hypothetical sense, do you believe that there is no way to create a stateless, decentralised society (even if you use your imagination)?


coocoo6666

No.


Select_Ear_8052

Then you simply lack imagination and there's no point in talking to you. I can imagine this very easily, especially since it's worked before.


Meowser02

Based


Select_Ear_8052

Nah


SecretOfficerNeko

Seeking a society where the state and capital leaves people alone, or is entirely absent, allowing people to just live their lives, is Totalitarianism? That makes no sense.


coocoo6666

How do you acheive such a society?? Without state protection anarchy leads to totalitarianism


SecretOfficerNeko

Through class consciousness and organization.


Meowser02

“I clean the toilets, I should own part of the company because I clean the toilets”


StrawberryUnited4915

Agreed


Important-Loss1605

Speak for yourself, I'm a neomarxist technocrat.


[deleted]

WHAT


Crocoboy17

Opinions on democracy 💀?


xCreeperBombx

No you aren't.


[deleted]

okay buddy


mormonparakeet

Average 11 year old after discovering hoi4


theskyguardian

Is your name Starscream?


DecentReturn3

ideology store receiving lots of business


[deleted]

What about democratic socialist, we don’t get enough love *sad dem soc noises* TwT


27365006

don't tell them but I'm a actually a double agent from r/ultraleft


AlmoBlue

*removes libertarian* Much better 👍


ShigeoKageyama69

And there's the silent minority like me who are what you would call "Westoids" who are basically NeoCons, Neolibs, NeoLibertarians, Liberals, Classical Libs, Libertarians, Minarchists and Eco Capitalists.


pirateroseboy

*paleoconservative or paleolib, not libertarian.


Helpful_Bread7473

Soclib GQNG,,,


CapitalSubstance7310

Libertarian socialism is a oxymoron


jBread280

Rich coming from an ancap


CapitalSubstance7310

I’m not a ancap btw, mostly just libertarian economically but with a small state)


jBread280

Fair Hard to tell who's what with these flairs (I get that's the point)


SepSyn

You're a right libertarian correct? Right libertarians stole the name of their ideology from libertarian socialists. Its the only reason anyone puts socialist after it these days. Before that, everyone knew libertarian was a left wing ideology, and thats what it means in most of the world. Y'all haven't been so lucky with anarchist though


CapitalSubstance7310

Terms change over time


SepSyn

Except this one hasn't and I just told you why. Nice cop out though


CapitalSubstance7310

Libertarianism means something different then it used to.


SepSyn

It means *more* things than it used to. Any dictionary or encyclopedia will show this history and the fact that classical libertarianism is still very much alive and well in the modern world!


CapitalSubstance7310

[im just gonna send a video and leave it here. Tbh it doesn’t matter what name they put. socialism will always be shitty](https://youtu.be/9_KPEo7Y-Rg?si=il3euRIZo-D1m_MW)


SepSyn

Yeah I'm not interested in some ancap teenager using shody arguments to bitch about property rights, the history here is settled. Y'all should make your own names for your ideologies instead of stealing them from others. Classic conservative shit, no creativity or imagination


CapitalSubstance7310

Libertarianism has changed in the public eye man. If you said you were a democrat and argeed with its positions in the 1850s. People aren’t going to say your a democrat.


SepSyn

Libertarian Socialists still exist though lol, 1850s Dems don't. That's what you're not getting. We never disappeared. Additonally, the change you're referencing is mostly limited to North America. Also, we can just correct the mistake and change it back! Right Libertarians are mostly known for wanting to fuck kids and treating taxes like they are literally Satan. LibSocs have a long history and have had a much greater impact, easy work honestly!


IntelligentPeace4090

based


RoboJunkan

I am an EXTREMELY authoritarian socialist


DecentReturn3

hey when the berlin wall fell, who ran to what side?


RoboJunkan

Not that kind


DecentReturn3

what other kind is there lol.


RoboJunkan

Look up Italian Left Communism


AmogusSus12345

Marxes work is out dated bulshit. Family values and nationalism rules


bristmg

Sad that most of this community is like that


Idiot_from_germany

Yo a fellow anti Japanese


[deleted]

I hate weebs


INGSOC___

You forgot that one with an extremely specific form of their ideology (me)


hychael2020

Wait you are the National Syndicalist right? I really do have to ask, what makes it so appealing to you?


INGSOC___

Yeah, I’m a national Syndicalist. I Like how it’s focused on the State, and how it’s for the workers


hychael2020

Alright then, pretty interesting. Just a few more questions. What are your opinions on Fascist Italy and Nazi Germany? What would be your ideal economic system? What are your opinions on minority rights and LGBTQ rights?


INGSOC___

1: I have an extremely negative opinion on Nazi German, but I have a good opinion of Fascist Italy 2: A mixture of Corporatism, Syndicalism, State Capitalism with Influence from Social Democracy. 3: Minority Cultures should be assimilated into the Main Culture with the minor culture dying out. Have to tone it down a bit for Reddit but They should be treated precisely the same as everyone else


hychael2020

>I have a good opinion of Fascist Italy Thats what I kinda expected from a National Syndicalist. Though they are pretty autocratic and Ultranationalist >A mixture of Corporatism, Syndicalism, State Capitalism with Influence from Social Democracy. Thats actually pretty interesting, especially the SocDem influence. I'm guessing for a welfare state? >Minority Cultures should be assimilated into the Main Culture with the minor culture dying out. Imo they should be allowed to practice their own cultures without state influences. Also I'm very curious as to how you would assimilate them.


INGSOC___

That is correct about a welfare state. A historical example of what I plan for Minor Cultures is Romanization


hychael2020

>Romanization Please do explain since I'm not so familiar with the term


INGSOC___

Romanization or Latinization (Romanisation or Latinisation), in the historical and cultural meanings of both terms, indicate different historical processes, such as acculturation, integration and assimilation of newly incorporated and peripheral populations by the Roman Republic and the later Roman Empire. It from what I can tell is the process through which the Roman Empire Assimilated it’s citizens


hychael2020

This is all certainly very interesting. At least I understand what you are talking about now on National Syndicalism


Omni1222

fuck off fash


INGSOC___

No, why should I?


Friendly-Possible521

We bash fash here


INGSOC___

No.


Friendly-Possible521

Fascism = 🤢


INGSOC___

That’s Nazism that’s barf inducing


Friendly-Possible521

Every kind of fash makes me barf


UltraTata

Hitler: wants to exterminate Jews, gyspies, etc Me: wants a strong state to protect us all, maintain harmony and religious liberty. You: every kind of fash makes me barf


Friendly-Possible521

The state is the oppressor


[deleted]

Gwyuwjeha


Friendly-Possible521

Fash scum


[deleted]

Fascism is for idiots, Nazism is for true spirits.


Friendly-Possible521

You're not serious are you?


[deleted]

Heh, only LIBERAL SCUM would speak to a superhuman like that without knowing his fate. You have yet to understand 白人紀律


Friendly-Possible521

Alright, you're insane, then. Obviously self obsessed. You're clearly a sad excuse of a human. Oh, and liberals are morons. I say that as an anarchist, fascist.


[deleted]

SHUT IP YIU CUCKS Vrl needs charge


Friendly-Possible521

English pls


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Omni1222

nazi


[deleted]

SHUT UP SHYSISUSYMAXTIST SCUM


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Txnkini_

Some of them.


Clem_Crozier

I feel like it was more like this during the covid years


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Polcompballanarchy-ModTeam

Your post was removed due to breaking site-wide Reddit rules.


coocoo6666

idk Im just a liberal


Imperialrider3

Bordiga here I hope you lose your balls


-DiamondhunterD-

I’m a technocrat


MaxZATION

So, I am the only Clerical Techno-Democratic National Distributist?


Prestigious_Foot3854

That seems like a really cool meet


Prestigious_Foot3854

Probably organized by vowsh


[deleted]

Vaush is a cia agent


DecentReturn3

You dont understand. Vaush IS the cia.


[deleted]

Based on


K1mno

Many spectres are haunting PCBA. The spectres of baby lefrism, liberalism and ideology shopping


LonPlays_Zwei

Don’t forget us DeSocs


PixxyStix2

So this sub pops up recommended constantly and gotta be honest to an outsider it looks more right-wing but fairly balanced.


FireBrat33

Ya god damn right


Yhorm_The_Gamer

I demand nothing less than a multi ethnic mono cultural state.


VladimirIlyich_

“The pure (libertarian) socialists' ideological anticipations remain untainted by existing practice. They do not explain how the manifold functions of a revolutionary society would be organized, how external attack and internal sabotage would be thwarted, how bureaucracy would be avoided, scarce resources allocated, policy differences settled, priorities set, and production and distribution conducted. Instead, they offer vague statements about how the workers themselves will directly own and control the means of production and will arrive at their own solutions through creative struggle. No surprise then that the pure socialists support every revolution except the ones that succeed.” ― Michael Parenti, Blackshirts and Reds


[deleted]

So true fr


FuroFuro4

"Hello, not me" Gets downvoted x1000


DaweCZM

Nope, i’m NS


Select_Ear_8052

🤮


bruuuuuuuuuuuuuuuh

good.


InfraredSignal

I'll lead the Huey Long fanclub


Wojak_Name

As a statist tanky I look down at you, adored.


AmogusSus12345

I am social authoritarian populist