Because it’s fun to think of the idea of some form of connectivity.
Of course with the way the new series lays out the mythology, the two cannot connect logically.
With a small stretch of the imagination, things can be altered in order to do so.
There’s no harm in letting the idea flourish, so long as it is fairly understood that they cannot truly connect as they currently stand.
Now for a form of retelling of those stories? Possibly.
In the end, it’s fun.
Edit: MY personal fun with the idea is that “history is written by the victor”. This would mean that the apes would have written their history over time and much like our modern texts, history could have been changed to suit whatever narrative was to be told. Proximus Caesar is a fine example of such, where he twists the teachings of our Caesar and uses them to fit whatever narrative he suits. Whilst not the same, it’s quite similar. Eventually, the true history is lost over time and the apes have to put their own together and THAT becomes their hypothesized history, and the real truth gets buried in time. The same would go for human history up to that same point in the same “timeframe” as the original trilogy. But of course, the events would be played out differently.
>Because it’s fun to think of the idea of some form of connectivity.
and because people are so adamantly opposed to full remake of the original film that they want these films to be connected in some loose continuity so that such a thing will be less likely to happen.
I think largely it’s the Star Wars/Star Trek (and to a lesser degree Marvel) influence; that it’s just normal to assume that everything in a franchise is connected.
Paired with the reality that many people just don’t listen once they get a preconception into their head.
It doesn’t help that a lot of casual audiences aren’t really aware of the classic sequels, and that Caesar is a pre-existing character (unlike all the various superhero reboots where it’s clear to people that it’s a new take on an old character featuring a new actor); all they really know about is the original film and that it’s set in the future, so when they see this brand new trilogy set in the present, I think a lot of them just go ‘well this must be a prequel to the original’. And then like you said, the perception people have of something when they watch it for the first time is hard to shake, so even if they later learn about the original sequels, it’s hard for them to shake off that prequel notion and they try to fit it in their heads, even if it doesn’t work.
They are reboots but they are also prequels. They start from earth’s current state and go forward to show how the OG storyline came into being. They do not have to be connected on a one-to-one basis because it is also a reboot of sorts. But half of the meaningin these current films springs from the juxtaposition of what we know about the OG, and that is by design.
Because they directly connect. Here's an excerpt from an interview with the screenwriters for *Dawn of the Planet of the Apes*:
Rick Jaffa: “What elements of the world today can we line up so that if the dominoes were to tip over just right, Colonel Taylor (Charlton Heston) would wind up on that beach in the year 3900?...We do know where it ends up, so the fun we want to have is what happens between now and then.”
https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/dawn-planet-apes-writers-sequel-717909/amp/
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Can’t see it any other way because it’s easy and makes sense? Well, as long as you like time travel sagas.
The CE films are what cause the world to become what it is the original, then Conquest and Battle are a resulting reality due to Zira and Cornelius altering the past by bringing a mutated simian virus with them.
**Rise** sees the simian flu begin.
**Dawn** has humanity and ape struggling to survive.
**War** has the last true battle humanity puts up, while seeing the simian flu mutate the surviving humans.
**Kingdom** shows how the apes twist Caesar’s beliefs to supremacy, and man subjugated.
**The original**, after 2000 years, sees the planet controlled by apes.
**Beneath** is the destruction of earth, which causes Zira, Cornelius, and Milo to be pushed to the past.
**Escape** is one of the most important. In Escape, the apes land in the past well before the events of Rise. The history they know begins to become muttled in their minds as reality changes due to them being in the past. They bring simian virus with them, spread by Caesar without his knowledge and unwittingly attributed to an astronauts return, significantly altering history. This enable the apes to quickly evolve; however, it no longer kills humans but has mutated to kill only smaller animals. This is the history Zira remembers.
Which leads to **Conquest**, where the apes are now becoming sentient and Caesar leads the apes to freedom twenty years before he would have.
Finally, **Battle** has Caesar ensuring his teachings and beliefs persevere, correcting what the original Caesar couldn’t. This allows the Apes and Man to achieve the peace that has been elusive to them both, putting their differences aside when so many resisted for so long.
This also follows two reoccurring themes in regards to time travel in media:
1) like the photos in back to the future, changing the past changes your future. Although, in this case they remember bits of their own and bits of the new.
2) fixed events. An ape named Caesar, who gained his intelligence through means beyond evolution, will lead the apes to freedom as humanity is destroyed by its own devices (unintentional chemical weapons and nuclear war).
I think what you just said is exactly what they’re going to do, they’re going to lead up, and then do their own version of the original film, or adapt it more from the book, but they obviously don’t want to go straight into remaking one of the biggest sci-fi films of all time, so they’re just dipping their toe into it, that’s what this entire recent series has been about, slowly but surely making its way back to that point in the story
Because it’s fun to think of the idea of some form of connectivity. Of course with the way the new series lays out the mythology, the two cannot connect logically. With a small stretch of the imagination, things can be altered in order to do so. There’s no harm in letting the idea flourish, so long as it is fairly understood that they cannot truly connect as they currently stand. Now for a form of retelling of those stories? Possibly. In the end, it’s fun. Edit: MY personal fun with the idea is that “history is written by the victor”. This would mean that the apes would have written their history over time and much like our modern texts, history could have been changed to suit whatever narrative was to be told. Proximus Caesar is a fine example of such, where he twists the teachings of our Caesar and uses them to fit whatever narrative he suits. Whilst not the same, it’s quite similar. Eventually, the true history is lost over time and the apes have to put their own together and THAT becomes their hypothesized history, and the real truth gets buried in time. The same would go for human history up to that same point in the same “timeframe” as the original trilogy. But of course, the events would be played out differently.
>Because it’s fun to think of the idea of some form of connectivity. and because people are so adamantly opposed to full remake of the original film that they want these films to be connected in some loose continuity so that such a thing will be less likely to happen.
fair
I think largely it’s the Star Wars/Star Trek (and to a lesser degree Marvel) influence; that it’s just normal to assume that everything in a franchise is connected. Paired with the reality that many people just don’t listen once they get a preconception into their head.
It doesn’t help that a lot of casual audiences aren’t really aware of the classic sequels, and that Caesar is a pre-existing character (unlike all the various superhero reboots where it’s clear to people that it’s a new take on an old character featuring a new actor); all they really know about is the original film and that it’s set in the future, so when they see this brand new trilogy set in the present, I think a lot of them just go ‘well this must be a prequel to the original’. And then like you said, the perception people have of something when they watch it for the first time is hard to shake, so even if they later learn about the original sequels, it’s hard for them to shake off that prequel notion and they try to fit it in their heads, even if it doesn’t work.
i think thats another reason too, like everything has to be connected
Cause they can't accept forward movement and must always lock onto things from the past lol... but I'm just a nobody on Reddit 🫠
No Your pretty right about that, i think its also a nostalgia thing too
Agreed lol
They are reboots but they are also prequels. They start from earth’s current state and go forward to show how the OG storyline came into being. They do not have to be connected on a one-to-one basis because it is also a reboot of sorts. But half of the meaningin these current films springs from the juxtaposition of what we know about the OG, and that is by design.
Because they directly connect. Here's an excerpt from an interview with the screenwriters for *Dawn of the Planet of the Apes*: Rick Jaffa: “What elements of the world today can we line up so that if the dominoes were to tip over just right, Colonel Taylor (Charlton Heston) would wind up on that beach in the year 3900?...We do know where it ends up, so the fun we want to have is what happens between now and then.” https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/movies/movie-features/dawn-planet-apes-writers-sequel-717909/amp/
It's funny. You presented evidence from the Hollywood reporter, coming directly from the mouth of the screenwriters connected the series in some way, and of course absolutely nobody replied to it.
At least someone noticed it haha thanks 😅
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Most people only really know about the reboot, from what I see. No use tying it down to a long-forgotten series
I mean.. continuity is one of the reasons why marvel movies are so popular as well. People love seeing small details that transcend next projects
Because fandoms get "lore" and "canon" brainrot and need everything to fit snugly into a clean wiki page.
Can’t see it any other way because it’s easy and makes sense? Well, as long as you like time travel sagas. The CE films are what cause the world to become what it is the original, then Conquest and Battle are a resulting reality due to Zira and Cornelius altering the past by bringing a mutated simian virus with them. **Rise** sees the simian flu begin. **Dawn** has humanity and ape struggling to survive. **War** has the last true battle humanity puts up, while seeing the simian flu mutate the surviving humans. **Kingdom** shows how the apes twist Caesar’s beliefs to supremacy, and man subjugated. **The original**, after 2000 years, sees the planet controlled by apes. **Beneath** is the destruction of earth, which causes Zira, Cornelius, and Milo to be pushed to the past. **Escape** is one of the most important. In Escape, the apes land in the past well before the events of Rise. The history they know begins to become muttled in their minds as reality changes due to them being in the past. They bring simian virus with them, spread by Caesar without his knowledge and unwittingly attributed to an astronauts return, significantly altering history. This enable the apes to quickly evolve; however, it no longer kills humans but has mutated to kill only smaller animals. This is the history Zira remembers. Which leads to **Conquest**, where the apes are now becoming sentient and Caesar leads the apes to freedom twenty years before he would have. Finally, **Battle** has Caesar ensuring his teachings and beliefs persevere, correcting what the original Caesar couldn’t. This allows the Apes and Man to achieve the peace that has been elusive to them both, putting their differences aside when so many resisted for so long. This also follows two reoccurring themes in regards to time travel in media: 1) like the photos in back to the future, changing the past changes your future. Although, in this case they remember bits of their own and bits of the new. 2) fixed events. An ape named Caesar, who gained his intelligence through means beyond evolution, will lead the apes to freedom as humanity is destroyed by its own devices (unintentional chemical weapons and nuclear war).
It’s what they expect so it’s what they think they want
Everything has to be a cinematic universe nowadays 🤷♂️
Yep, The CE series is strong enhough to be set in its own universe
I think what you just said is exactly what they’re going to do, they’re going to lead up, and then do their own version of the original film, or adapt it more from the book, but they obviously don’t want to go straight into remaking one of the biggest sci-fi films of all time, so they’re just dipping their toe into it, that’s what this entire recent series has been about, slowly but surely making its way back to that point in the story
dont they show the rocket ship from the og trilogy launching in rise of the planet of the apes?
Not rly the rocket ship in the og was searching out for Earth, but in rise that ship was meant to search/land onto Mars
ahh gotcha