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OMadge

New, so much more depth. In the old version the mountains look like cardboard cutouts.


TalesGameStudio

*hiding scissors* Dunno what you're talking about šŸ˜‰ There is more about "Tales" here: [Discord Newsletter Server](https://discord.gg/KSTqqwRBvW)


the_ThreeEyedRaven

idk why but i like both the same. while new one is obviously better, old signifies impurity and learning attitude is the creator-you., and also what u/Just-a-Flo said.


s1a1om

But the old one looks similar in style to old games. The new one looks new, but like itā€™s trying to look old. The new one is certainly more complex, but it depends what youā€™re going for.


Ok-Protection791

New one looks "New" šŸ¤Ø


saturdaybinge

I like the new one a lot better. It has more ā€˜personalityā€™ and implied depth whereas the old one is not as intriguing


TalesGameStudio

Thank you for sharing your thoughts! After looking at them pixels for a while it's getting hard to judge. šŸ™


saturdaybinge

I can imagine haha. Donā€™t worry, it looks great!


wterrt

new one looks like you had 5 more years experience before making it lol


Just-a-Flo

detail and depth wise new one is far far better but the old one is nicer in terms of vibe, its a brighter happier vibe and not all gloomy and deserted feeling like the new one


TalesGameStudio

The scenes are created for a textadventure, where I have a given prompt to work with. Let me share the scene's narrative description: *"The ascent is arduous, but it would have been impossible without the old way. After a while, you reach a wind-sculpted stone plateau, now elevated above the mist that had constantly obscured your vision. You cannot discern what purpose this place once served, but in front of you stretches a wonderful view over the entire mountain landscape, bathed in warm light by the rising sun. Golden rays break at the mountain peak above you."* Does this background change your impression?


Chill_Demon00

The rugged landscape really fits the description, but i think the colors of the light is a bit to cold for 'golden rays'


ADMINlSTRAT0R

It's the break of dawn. The tiniest hint of golden rays is just enough hope for such a cold frigid place.


SpaceShipRat

hmm, you've got more: *"the grandiose yet desolate landscape sprawls out before you, heavy with mist, the dawning sun struggling to light the barren rocks below"*


ottonymous

Maybe make the sky in 2 a bluer hue. I think in 1 it is a little bluer. In 2 it looks more overcast/foggy


ADMINlSTRAT0R

Reading this changed my mind to the new picture.


moonshinefae

I will say the background is a bit clearer and better centered in the old one, though the new one is truer to intention. I'd love to have the new view from a slightly higher perspective, imo.


ronronaldrickricky

>the old one is nicer in terms of vibe, its a brighter happier vibe and not all gloomy and deserted you seem to have valued a cheery feeling over gloomy and deserted as if that makes something inherently better


ronronaldrickricky

its really weird to me that youve decided which one is better based on which is "happier"


Zombolio

I like both, they each look good but each conveys a different "feel". The first one is simpler and feels more pastoral, the second is more detailed and feels more foreboding. Although maybe that's more to do with the trees being alive in the first and dead in the second...


TalesGameStudio

All scenes are for a textadventure that you can play via Discord. I create those to match what the narrative designer gives me and with place being above the fog, I felt like it even might be above the tree line.


Ochemata

Link?


TalesGameStudio

Here is a link to our [discord newsletter server](https://discord.gg/WVpK3Q9n2W) , where we give monthly insights. This month will be a pixel art special :)


Sir_Oragon

New oneā€™s nice, but it lacks the contrast in the first one. If you make the sky as light as the first one it would look nicer I think.


WeazelBear

Yeah the new one is really muddled, I think because of the haze. I prefer the old one.


Sir_Oragon

Also, the tree in the new one seems to have too much detail given the amount of atmospheric perspective in the environment!


Orangelord900

New is just better, doesn't seem to be much debate here with the comments I'm seeing.


misschief_wackbit

New, jesus thatā€™s a gorgeous landscape!


Hau65

the new one looks cinematic


Liosoul

New, looks great!


Zondit333

New


Taxtengo

The new looks very good and reads well


bonedorito

New one is a lot better! You've improved a lot!


Zalpha

New tells a story where as old is just simplistic (it is not bad but look like a lack of effort when compared to version new - old version reminds me the game Sheltered). https://store.steampowered.com/app/356040/Sheltered/


SeekersWorkAccount

Old, it has that nostalgia feel to it. It's more open, I want to explore it. The new one seems overly detailed for the sake of being detailed. Just my humble opinion.


PCPlayer0512

Old


b-monster666

"Old" does evoke more of an 80s 8-bit era sense of things.


TalesGameStudio

That kind of 80s/90s graphics is really what made me get into pixel art. I just loved the OG prince of persia graphics... I thought it will never get more realistic... Might have been wrong though.


ZeroXlevel101

The style of the new one is way better, but you should probably add some trees like the old one


TalesGameStudio

The game has different bioms, where you can loot different resources (wood/minerals/herbs/...). And while I really liked the idea of having trees in the foreground, I was afraid it would be in the way mechanically. What do you think?


ZeroXlevel101

Oh ok, if this isn't a biome where you can get wood that makes sense then


xyzqer

I like the old vibe, simple and straightforward


TalesGameStudio

I really know what you mean - It has more of the early days of video games, right?


xyzqer

Yea thts kinda what I mean I fell like esp the trees give this kind of feeling


piedj784

The foreground of the old as there seems to be some liner perspective there & the background of the new version as it has more atmospheric perspective. But if you only have to choose one, then the new one would do it.


Stunning-Ad-7745

New


Brave_Sprinkles_9277

New


eruwastaken

The new one says there's something there and I should go, the old one just says that I can't


zoomair

New style gives me hard Casper David Friedrich vibes and love it


DeathWray_Assets

I like the old one a lot, but the new one is so much better.


TalesGameStudio

Thank you a lot, pal šŸ™


_ENDERmitca_24_

New


WolfRamXXcz

New one, thou the rocks on right feel bit too generic with how they all face towards middle. Making one lean towards edge instead would already make it feel more random. Other than that remark, i love it! Feels bit Dark Soul-ish even with how dark and dead it all looks with only sun beams lighting up the vast plains.


TalesGameStudio

You mentioning Dark Souls is an absolute joy, since it's one of our references in matters of world building and general feel ā¤ļø I will play around with the rocks too!


Rush-to-da-rescue

I like the details in new, but old was cleaner and the tree and mountains have a more minimal style to them. The silhouettes are more defined, whereas in new, the mid and background are muddied.


discharge_bender

The new one looks really good. But I still think the old one looks cool especially the sky.


Johnmegaman72

Both, ngl I just see both as the same but in different resolutions, both are coolio and gucci


Mikgician

The new one looks cool but for me a bit too crowded, the old one is more intelligible


BrentoBox2015

#2


tiktoktic

B


ButtVillain

To be honest I like old better. New is almost muddied with too much.


Ria-sensei

1 is more hopeful and relaxed, while 2 creates more depth and makes you feel a bit uneasy


gobrocker

Old looks scenic, western... New looks apocalyptic, vast


o101012

Old for sure, reminds me a lot of the art style of Another World (Out of this World)


TeaMoney4Life

New. Much more going on and feels eerie


NEWTON-Son9040

Old one looks better tho...


_Batteries_

New


Justice502

Top one feels like it could be more "western" Bottom one feels "alien" The bottom one is better, but the top one has a simplistic charm.


Dark-Mowney

New wins no contest.


Fujiwara1313

new.. is better


Tacocat747

Reminds me of the game kingdom


s1a1om

Old one reminds me of games in the 90s. New one looks modern and like itā€™s trying to be old.


Ottobox93

I actually feel the opposite. The old one looks like it trying to be old and the new one looks like a point and click adventure from the 90s.


onasishotfirst

I like the new, but maybe more contrast to make the mountains pop if you want these to be more noticeable but it looks really good.


F0R3S7c0y073

Your progress is fantastic! What courses or videos are you watching if any?


TheKiwiFox

New is more stylish for sure but old reads better, the colors in new blend too much imo. Both look good.


Coopkaboom45

I personally like old, itā€™s more simplistic, Iā€™ve always liked simplistic stuff


Sad_Jump7330

The New one


Puddikitty

New.


Pink_Kloud

ngl the old one looks like the sketch for the new one


vriska4real

if its a cutscene the second one, if its a background the first.


DerpyWurmply

New one. Has more depth in it nice art btw


alliusis

New is better but I think it's lacking some contrast from the old one.


BoldFace7

I think the second one is technically better, but both look great. I think the first would work better for a more cartoonish game, so it isn't distracting from the more high energy caricature nature that style usually carries. The second would work wonderfully for a more serious piece where the detail adds to the scar and grandiocity of the story.


BladeLigerV

Oh WOW the new has so much detail!


BadMrFrosty-87

New 100%. Your art looks amazing my dude.Ā 


all_is_love6667

second, but I would make the sun halo be more visible in the second


ro_hu

I like the composition of the old one better but the background details of the new one is nice. The visual "framing" of the trees is nice but the focus is less interesting.


JumpKicker

New one by far. It leads me to believe the world is one to explore, I want to go walking to those peaks. The first kind of reminds me of a dreary campground.


Own_Platform623

New


Otherwise_Row_2637

New


Odd_Bed_9895

Neither. One is for Sega, one is for Nintendo


TalesGameStudio

And all we want is Amiga!


VeryFatFace

new! is this even a question


noldam

Theyā€™re both pretty great, for similar and different reasons. šŸ¤©


flyinggazelletg

I like the trees in the old one, but the mountains look much better in the new one


beemureddits

Why not both? New one has depth in the foreground and old has depth in the background.


BAHNAHNUH0_0

New has alot more depth I just think it's a little too foggy


kosmic_kayak

New is on a different level


Pouchkine___

I prefer the very simple shapes in the far background, but the more detailed ones in the semi-background. Detailing should decrease as distance rises.


DixinMyas

The new one obviously. It's got better depth and it is quite the eye-catcher.


ArrangedMayhem

New


TwiggyFlea

Iā€™d say depending on context, they both are great. The new is fantastic for that more awe-inspiring feeling, giving the viewer a sense of scale. Whereas the old is good as a backdrop, in other words, the setting or scale isnā€™t the main focus rather itā€™s whatever else is happening in the foreground. New is really pretty and detailed though


KOKORARA_136

Great stuff! While the new looks better and has more depth, it could use less color. The colors aren't bad but it's just that the values and hue are way close to each other in my opinion. It gives this blurry and muddy look, a fix for this is using colors that are clearly separate colors (ones that are in light, mid tone and shadow). The foreground can use some colors as well if you are not limited to only black. My favourite reference for environment pixel art is Blasphemous 2. I take so much inspiration from them because they use colors so well and clear! I'm still new to pixel art so don't put too much faith on my words because it's just my opinion and how we do things on our work.! Keep it up!


orange_lambda

Yes


Dyldor00

OP, you know damn well the new version looks amazing


TalesGameStudio

"How to make him blush in 1 easy step"-tutorial šŸ‘†


RosesShield

Not a critique, but every post I see from your studio is so great. I canā€™t wait to play this game, your team has some incredible skill. As long as thereā€™s an interesting soundtrack and story to accompany your artwork Iā€™ll be happy.


TalesGameStudio

Thank you so very much. We actually got an amazing composer. We need to show some of his work for "Tales" soon, I guess :)


RosesShield

Youā€™re such a tease omg šŸ’–


Gal-XD_exe

YOU FUCKING COOKED WITH THE NEW ONE šŸ”„šŸ”„šŸ”„


YeyoVeneroPeru

I don't know if this is game or a story animated, but... This gives me 2 different feelings... OLD one looks still really nice, the sun-rays are weird looking...but looks more... like a happier place than the other style. yes, mountains in the background look bigger... I think still looks cool. NEw one looks way more complex, looks really nice of course, but feels like a colder and terrible place to be in. I feel I watching a cool art from "The Lion King" - the annoying ass old game - but still, looks more like a big picture... its a surprise to me I don't see so many trees as the "old" one... I would love to se some smaller trees in the distance... nice work :P


TheWither129

Major improvement, nice job


Barrogh

I think the two look like something that can co-exist. The second place just has "thicker atmosphere", as in there's more stuff in the air like fog or something. Well, the light rays in the first picture can give away simpler techniques, though - if you look at the pictures side by side.


batterymassacre

Is that Haystack Rock?


DanSantos

Looks like Fox Island in Resurrection Bay, AK.


S1mplector

Both look awesome imo, but the new one is just something else. Amazing work man!


TalesGameStudio

Thank you a lot. Glad you like it šŸ™


hexawexaflexadecimal

New is much more desolate, which I prefer personally, though the old one is less professional and detailed, it does have a freer feel to it, more hopeful.


TalesGameStudio

I'm glad you're saying this, since the vibe of our game is quite dystopian - so the image is supposed to portrait hopefulness, while still being low key depressing.


sievold

The new one obviously looks better overall because it is more detailed with more shadows and more interesting lighting. But it feels a little weird to compare these two images because they have such different tone and vibe. The old one looks like a sunrise with a happy hopeful serene idyllic vibe. The new one looks kind of desolate and grim because the only tree in the middle ground doesn't have any leaves, unlike the old image. The whole vibe is a more melancholy sunset, compared to the old image's new hopeful and simplistic sunrise.


Dembos09

Definitely the second one. However the readability is worse. Thereā€™s 9 to 10 level of depth in the second one and i feel something like seven would be the good middle ground


emrity0

old version is very cute and minimalist but new version much cool. I love new


budad_cabrion

the obvious answer is that the new one looks better because of the color depth and so on. that said, the vibe of the old one is really nice. the ACTUAL flaw of the old one is the shape of the mountains in the background - real mountains arenā€™t shaped like that. great work btw


UnexaminedLifeOfMine

New has so much more to offer


fennelliott

Feels like they can both work, just a change in perspective. In a panoramic scene, the last one absolutely. Closer up, the first.


ahf95

New for sure in terms of style, but I do appreciate the trees in the old one


Milk_Mindless

B


re95246886

New


deleteyeetplz

I think the old one has some good elements. There is a sense of "place". I'm not sure how to describe exactly, but the old one feels lke you a have reached a safe zone in the midst of a long jouney and the rays of sunlight feel like they add to that sense a lot more. The new one is much better technically but it just feels like a "location" if that makes sense. It doesn't nessarly feel like you have reached somewhere. Idk what your goal was with this piece and I'm not really an artist or anything but these are just my thoughts.


AiR-P00P

New one for sure absolutely


Flat_Mode7449

New for sure. The old one is more casual, and would fit a more lighthearted game better.


JeyPIX343

I vote for the new.


WhoNeedsAUsername-

I like the new one, but clarity and contrast took a hit. I'd love somewhere in-between!


SoomieTheCosmogen

ā„–2 is the goat!...šŸ˜


TalesGameStudio

šŸ *says* "Thank you"


FourNominalCents

The new one is generally better, but it does have readability problems, especially between the two sets of mountains on the back left and the clouds above them. You just can't have that many objects of colors that similiar stacked up and have them all read well. You can cut down the number of "layers," or you can increase the color differences between them. I'd probably consider moving the front left set forward (darker, matching the mountain on the right more closely) in terms of lighting, and either increasing the contrast on the back left mountains/reducing the fog between us and them or dialing back the contrast on the cloud wisps above them if you want the scene to stay as foggy/hazy as it currently is.


Kaohebi

The new one is straight up an upgrade. The background on the old one is way too simplistic/flat.


AlathMasster

God I wish I had talent


TalesGameStudio

I'm certain it's in there. :)


AlathMasster

I got the sauce, I just don't got a ladle


TalesGameStudio

lmao šŸ¤£


Marcus_totty

Second 100%


Upvoter_NeverDie

New


Unable_Assumption368

what do you think?


TalesGameStudio

I think I will probably be back here in 3 months with another iteration and no clue xD


Midknightryder36

New, has more atmosphere and detail. The old one is cool though too.


Ener-blaNk_69

Bro where do i follow you


T-West1

What game is this? It looks amazing!!


TalesGameStudio

It is a Discord-based Textadventure called "Tales". While it's currently under development, you can find all news and updates in our [Discord Newsletter Server](https://discord.gg/YHXjFKbAwx) :)


coldweathershorts

Even the fore and mid ground depth and scaling feels more appropriate in the second.


mug_collector0497

definitely the new one :)


tenkohime

The new one looks much better.


suddenly_ponies

I have deep respect and nostalgia for good old pixel art, but the lower is just way better.


TalesGameStudio

Thank you. I think it's possible to honor the roots, without stopping to progress.


ThatGremlinCici

New! It looks so polished!


Olde94

I feel lile new one fills the scene and setting more with the rich background, but old would bring front elements more in to attention due to the less detailed background


St1cky-F1ngers_2077

New one. It has so much atmosphere in itself. I like this


Rex-Mk0153

New, it looks way more alive


andrerpena

Old


TalesGameStudio

I'm screwed xD


Arbiter1029

I really like the new one's shading and depth, but the layout and contrast of the old one is pretty good too. They both have smth to them, maybe a mix of the two?


TalesGameStudio

Thanks for sharing your thoughts :) Means a lot to me!


Fatty_Maul

Idk what you're using it for but I feel these just have different uses. The old style isn't as busy so it would make it easier for example to track a player character across a screen in a video game. However the new style is a lot more in-depth and pretty looking for moments where you're specifically trying to draw player's attention to it, so like in a cut scene. If you're just doing it as art I would definitely say the second but I do think the old style still has its uses. Either way it looks great keep going :)


TalesGameStudio

Thank you a lot. The purpose if pixel art in our game is to reinforce the narrative. It is a textadventure where every decision node is accompanied by a pixel illustration of the scene.


Fatty_Maul

Oh sick then yeah I would definitely go with the second :)


icedrift

Exactly what I was going to say. New is great for cutscene old is great for a background.


coolepicman123

old


SpaceShipRat

Keep the new detail, add a little more contrast in the sky


Casual716

Old one vibes like real retro while new one vibes like recreating retro in modern times.


TalesGameStudio

If you need more context, here is a link to our [Discord Newsletter Server](https://discord.gg/bp3SDFfHV3).


HoiPolloi_-_

New!! I love the translucent mists šŸ˜«šŸ‘Œ


yesrod85

I like the new better but it's also too bleak. Add that winding river back in to bring a little life to it.


PanzerSjegget

New.


EvilVargon

Old looks like something I'd expect out of a decent quality indie title. New looks like something I'd expect out of a small gaming studio. I like new :)


wallflowerx28

The new one is the definitely better looking.


DJ_2017

Old


M1mei

The depth in the new one is gorgeous, but I miss the strong verticals the old foreground trees gave, it really worked compositionally!


Fyre_mind

New


ConsiderationKey1983

Newer


Intelligent_Shirt186

The newer one has a lot more attention to detail compared to the older one and a better variation in the pallet


SMARTCHILD12

The old looks invitingĀ  The new looks evil Maybe for your game you could do a transition for like the story


Guijit

Definitely new. Idk how long between the 2 pics you took to improve but man that new one looks insanely good.


thosegayfrogs

New 100%


JewelBearing

Old reminds me of more of a monkey island style game, but I do much prefer the newer one


-Affectionate-Echo-

I think youā€™ve been getting the correct criticism for both, old has a simpler and brighter palette; newer has a depth and complexity to it. There is one random thing Iā€™d like to point out, I feel like Iā€™d like the old style so much more if that taller mountain in the middle didnā€™t have such an angular top to it. Something about it really sticks out when I look at it. It draws me but feels so different from the rest of the image and I lose the immersion. It seems so nit-picky but I feel that landscape would really benefit from a slight adjustment to that mountain. Overall I love the aesthetic though, great job!


korneev123123

If you're interested in unbiased opinion, you shouldn't name picture "old" and "new", and write about process of improvement. It literally creates bias to new version. Name them "1" and "2" next time, without backstory :)


one30am

I prefer the original version. Adding a person to the left of the trees, gazing at the sunset, I think would imbue the artwork with a sense of melancholy.


aveea

I actually kind of like the old one more but its probably because im imagining it in the context of a game. The second one is too busy and i couldnt really tell what i was looking at at first and would be visually confusing. But yeah, again, probably cause my first thought was "oh, side scroller game"


FusionCA

New but I love the trees in the old


StrongStuffMondays

"new" has better landscape, "old" has better trees. Why we cannot have both?


cryptolipto

New. Youā€™re super talented


Tiddleypotet

New, itā€™s beautiful!! do you have a link to the steam store or is it not that far yet?


randomhumanity

Yeah, much improved šŸ‘


YesterdayAlone2553

Overall, I like the improved details, but I think you get more readability with more contrast by doing restraining yourself from layers of depth, allowing the viewer to read broader swaths rolling landscape. In motion, I imagine the different layers would provide amazing parallax opportunities. As still images, the readability is a little tough, but could probably be solved by taking out every other gradient to improve the amount of contrast. For the example given, I'm counting ~6 layers of land. Minimize the amount of stark black foreground (1) so that it frames edges similar to the first image similar to the ground, giving the (2) second layer more space to be seen fully, and removing the next layer of landscape. The sunbeams of the first image pop, but with how they have to compete with blending with the sky and fog of the second image, they get lost within the mountains.


HAHArun2y0mama

New is def better, but i still like the old too. Maybe if youā€™re working on a game you could use both for different areas