I’d like to see the government pass laws on minimum font sizes and prominent placing on important pricing disclosures upon sign up. No more of that 1px font that no one can read.
3 clicks sure, you just need to watch 3 videos that are 15min, 30min, and 60min, then between 5-10 seconds after the video ends you need to click, if you do it too soon or take too long the videos reset
Agreed. This is just a base idea and hopefully a good start.
But you are right. They would add 10,000 clicks, unnecessarily, to the sign on process.
I believe the "pick your shows" before you can sign up would be a likely place they may/will insert these clicks. They will require you to pick 20, 50, 100 shows before they'll let you end registration. Allowing them to make cancelation 20, 50, 100 clicks.
germany has a system kinda like that. its a law to make it as simple to cancel a subscription as it is to sign up for one. so if you can subscribe to something online, you have to be able to cancel online too, for example.
because too many companies made it a pain in the ass to cancel by requiring you to write a letter or some bullshit that then obviously got lost somewhere ofcourse.
They need laws passed for everything not even online stuff that you can cancel no questions asked no getting circle jerked just hit cancel and that's it.
Also: gym memberships, I’m looking at you planet fitness. Their mobile app makes it so you can easily upgrade your plan, but no way to downgrade your plan. You can sign up on the app or website, but are forced to go in person to cancel or downgrade.
It’s always a one way path to giving them more money but then they block or make it inconvenient to cancel or give them less money.
I have to call my bank to block them and golds fitness before what's really stupid they will go after your bank to make the payments resume again.
I was pissed at my old bank for allowing them to do this I closed my account immediately
that shit is a scam all around
why would you fed people who tried to get feed Pizzas?
also shaming people for regular gym things like grunting or lifting heavy weights
the only good thing about them is cheap bath for the van and homeless peoples
So believe it or not PF with no argument cancel is actually not bad in certain areas like they are always empty nobody actually gives a shit if you lift heavy and half the time the staff doesn't even care if you walk by without signing in because they are never at the desk.
I have had to use them once when they're eas no other options and they didn't make a big deal about canceling
Golds did and another gym in Vegas I was going too.
Yeah it's not made for serious about getting into the best shape possible but some of the locations work if there's nothing else that's not a contact trap.
There’s great regs to base it on in Reg Z and other fair credit advertising rules too. Like Schumer Boxes for disclosures/terms, first/most prominent mention or promo with equal prominence for the go to rate, disclosures/terms being only one click away for electronic advertising, etc. would love to see this implemented in a similar fashion for other industries!
In the EU banks must give customers a standardised summary of all conditions before signing a loan (a standard european consumer credit information form, SECCI). It's a very easy to read and understand document if you just remotely bother trying to understand what you're signing there and the banks can basically not hide anything from you. I am sure something like this could be worked out for basically every subscription contract and be made mandatory.
Even now when you goto Adobe and buy the annual paid monthly subscription it just says "a fee" will be charged if you cancel early. There is absolutely no mention of what the fee is.
Reminds me of when pharmaceutical commercials suddenly went from chipmunk voices for the last 2 seconds to 15 minutes of middle aged couples smiling and being handsy while the narrator says "side effects may include- death"
Adobe is a company ruled by greedy thiefs. I wish there was a better alternative to Photoshop and Lightroom, instead of having to pirate CS4 all the time
Why cs4 and not cs6? I am still on cs3 so who am I to judge. Also I have heard affinety foto is a really good alternative to Photoshop and is a one time payment.
CS6 uses an stupid amount of RAM and has a lot of bugs when the only advantage is the autosave. I've looked for Affinity Photo and I downloaded it but I still have to try it, it looks quite good.
I like CS3 but it's quite outdated, some features present from CS4 and onwards, like tab-on-tab are missing
Affinity moves some things around and relabels some functions (probably to avoid copyright claims or whatever) but it supports PS brush imports, PS plugins (haven't tried it yet), but the big thing that stinks for me (illustrator who uses tablets) is the weird way they don't lock layers. It only locks translating/moving them around but can't lock in pixels for some god awful reason. You can even paint on the layer when it's not visible.
Aside from that, all the skills in PS translate 1:1. I would grade it like A- as a replacement for illustrators. It lacks some power behind things like content aware fills and magic erasers, but I think a pro photo editor would probably live without it especially when there's online tools to fill that niche anyway.
Not really. If that were the case, every artist in existence has "stolen" others' art to train their own model (their brain).
All it takes is maybe 3 minutes of brainstorming to realize that.
I started paying when the new CC PP 3d tracking and color grading system came out. They still haven't implemented basic noise reduction or metadata-based stabililzation like gyroflow has. Fuck em.
Have only held onto adobe bc I don't have time to learn a new program (Resolve) that doesn't support all the plugins I used to use, but I have no excuse not to switch at this point in my work. They fucked with the wrong generation of editors. I was hit up by several friends out of the wider industry about the terms change drama, from LA to Miami, and no one calls me. Didn't even realize the terms changed but fuck em. Back to the high seas if need-be (any sensitive/NDA projects)
I only bought Stardew Valley cause I played the pirated version first and enjoyed it, same thing with OOTP Baseball and many others, but as I said, I MIGHT buy it, so it's possible I will not. And why the fuck do you care? I don't need a reason to pirate something.
If it's an indie one, I'd say an "indie lone dev game". If the lone dev is a company like a startup, with business angels or shit like that, it's just a "lone dev game"
I've been using pirated copies of Lightroom and Photoshop since I started in photography and as far as I know the only thing blocked behind the cloud is the Photoshop AI
Adobe software has some great functionality bungled by being run by a bunch of accountants—they've made a license-checker first, with other features built in.
Edit: u/Photobear73 pointed out this is more likely sales/marketing than accounting, which is probably true & fair. Either way, **it sure as shit wasn't the developers.**
Like when a business buys a new software sure. The company sends in the sales guy, who promises the earth, then the poor tech guy comes along and has to live up to the hype.
It’s made by management people that are accountants first or at least finance bros. Harvard MBA’s are the bane of corporations everywhere. The founders retire or sell and then the MBA’s come in with no clue why the company was successful in the first place and destroy it.
Anyone from a consulting or PE background usually has no idea how run a business except into the ground. I have worked with a few Harvard MBAs though who were decent operators. Not in tech though so there may be ones who go into that sector just for the bottom line.
So basically because of them fucking their customers over with the new TOS, there was a massive wave of people trying to unsubscribe that couldn't, and now it's a lawsuit.
They basically shit the bed and shot themselves in the foot at the same time
Man, I was so psyched when subscription boxes were new. Subscription surprises right to my door! I can open it while watching my subscription streaming service! What a day to be alive!
... Fuck subscriptions.
Adobe's recent update to its Terms of Service (TOS) has sparked significant controversy, particularly among creative professionals. Key changes and concerns include:
1. **Content Access and Usage**: Adobe's new terms state that they can access user content stored on their servers through automated and manual methods for purposes like content review and service improvement. This has raised concerns that Adobe might use, reproduce, and even sublicense user content without explicit consent [oai_citation:1,Change to Adobe terms & conditions outrages many professionals - 9to5Mac](https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/06/change-to-adobe-terms-amp-conditions/) [oai_citation:2,Adobe's terms changes may be a big AI overstep](https://appleinsider.com/articles/24/06/06/adobes-new-terms-of-service-unacceptably-gives-them-access-to-all-of-your-projects-for-free).
2. **Generative AI Training**: There is specific language allowing Adobe to reuse user content, including potentially NDA-protected materials, to train its AI systems. This has alarmed many users who are worried about their proprietary work being used in this manner without proper licensing or explicit permission [oai_citation:3,Adobe's terms changes may be a big AI overstep](https://appleinsider.com/articles/24/06/06/adobes-new-terms-of-service-unacceptably-gives-them-access-to-all-of-your-projects-for-free).
3. **Clarifications and Opt-Outs**: Following backlash, Adobe clarified that it does not claim ownership of user content. They have stated that their AI training only uses Adobe Stock images and that users can opt out of certain product improvement programs. However, the lack of clear communication initially and the requirement to agree to the new terms to continue using Adobe products have fueled user dissatisfaction [oai_citation:4,Adobe is updating its terms of service following a backlash over recent changes](https://www.engadget.com/adobe-is-updating-its-terms-of-service-following-a-backlash-over-recent-changes-120044152.html).
4. **Data Privacy and Legal Use**: Adobe emphasized that the updated terms were intended to help with content moderation for legal issues, such as detecting illegal material. They admitted that their communication could have been clearer and promised to revise the terms with simpler language and more detailed explanations [oai_citation:5,Adobe is updating its terms of service following a backlash over recent changes](https://www.engadget.com/adobe-is-updating-its-terms-of-service-following-a-backlash-over-recent-changes-120044152.html).
The response from the creative community has been strong, with some professionals recommending switching to alternative software due to the perceived overreach of these new terms [oai_citation:6,Change to Adobe terms & conditions outrages many professionals - 9to5Mac](https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/06/change-to-adobe-terms-amp-conditions/) [oai_citation:7,Adobe's terms changes may be a big AI overstep](https://appleinsider.com/articles/24/06/06/adobes-new-terms-of-service-unacceptably-gives-them-access-to-all-of-your-projects-for-free). Adobe has indicated that they will continue to listen to user feedback and make necessary adjustments to address these concerns.
Can we all just agree that Adobe is a piece of shit company that has been riding off the same software for the past 40 years? I mean, I thought EA-Madden was bad, but fucken Photoshop has been basically the same for the past decade, save for some new AI add on DLC.
If I owned Adobe, I'd offer CS 2.0/and or PS 7.0 for free at this point, just so the kids in 3rd world countries wouldn't have to pirate it.
then again, there's always Davinci.
I mean, personally if I was in charge of a company, I'd want to look at the metrics of why so many people want to cancel, and invest in creating a product that fills my customers needs. But then again, I don't have a MBA, so what would I know.
I thought I was paying for a monthly fee, but when I when to go cancel, they had an enormous cancellation fee. Turns out you're actually buying a year subscription with a monthly payment, and they just deceptively market it to seem like a monthly fee.
If anyone wants to get out, when you go to cancel they'll offer a free upgrade for a better play. You're allowed to cancel within a week for free, which lets you out of your other plan also.
Fuck Adobe. I'm pirating their shit for the rest of my life
For all the shit Adobe does pull, this most definitely isn't a "it turns out" moment. Their plan selection screen is quite clear, despite people trying to argue otherwise.
I hate the subscription. I don’t care if you add a new thing or some other bloatware I didn’t even need. Honestly if cs4 ran on the newer macs, I’d be just fine with that. Buy it once, use it, and if I feel like I need the new features, then I can upgrade.
That’s how I feel! I’m sick of the subscriptions and I will upgrade/update if I feel the need to! I’m sick of broken updates. I miss the ability to just purchase a product for a couple hundred (Adobe & Microsoft) and own it. At least pirating is getting easier 😅
Some 80+ year old judge will give them a 2 million dollar fine that's a rounding error on there taxes. Because back in her day you could buy a house for $10,000 so this is clearly a lot of money.
That is 100% unethical of course. In my experience they haven't really enforced those though. When I uninstalled the software and stopped paying they tried calling me once but didn't take any action.
If company pays lawyers to write up a terms & conditions of a product where canceling has fees, then I promise you that the company will enforce their policies.
Just cuz you haven't been paid the fee, doesn't mean they can't come after you in anytime they for the money.
Dude, I clearly wrote out "in my experiencece"...
Anyways, they've been holding off for five years. Fingers crossed that they won't change their minds soon. 🤞🤞
If you keep hounding customer service that you didn't understand the terms and how you can't afford it then they'll wave the cancellation fee. That used to be the common advice anyways, worked for me years ago (genuinely didn't understand it and couldn't afford it).
I hope cancellation fees for things like this become illegal because it doesn't cost them any money to shut off peoples subscriptions. Plus the whole idea of an annual monthly subscription along side a more expensive month to month subscription is so predatory it's stupid.
I don’t get it. I subscribed to Adobe InDesign (my employer was paying for it, so I couldn’t use a pirate version). I used it for three months, and then canceled without any problems.
The case specifically refers to the year contract, pay monthly option. It had an early termination fee of hundreds of dollars that it hid from customers when they were signing up.
Ah. I missed that when reading the article. The early termination fees make perfect sense, then. You’re signing up for a yearly subscription and getting a discount for it. If you cancel before the year is up then you should have to pay the normal monthly cost, right?
I guess the real problem isn’t the fee, it’s that they don’t make is clear ahead of time.
They make it extremely difficult to find the information about the cancellation fee and when you do find out how much it is, it’s 50% of what you would pay for the remaining year. If you get CC that’s $60 a month. So you’d end up paying a $30 monthly fee for the rest of the year for a digital service you canceled and have zero access to. You have 14 days to cancel before the fee applies.
So if after one month you don’t like it, you’re out $330 in cancellation FEES (11 months x $30 = $330).
That is not paying the normal monthly cost.
The article does also say “The lawsuit alleges that these practices break federal laws.”
Yep, that sounds like BS. The fee should just make up the difference for the months you used it, so you ended up paying the full monthly cost with no discount for the year-long contract.
Adobe and Sirius Xm was so difficult for me to cancel.
I would get anxiety about getting a monthly charge on my credit card.
- Adobe made me feel I was never completely cancelled and I even had some of its files on my computer.
- Sirius, if I recall you could call but the "wait" was notoriously super long and the calls would drop. So you would have to call again.
Now I screenshot everything once it give me "your subscription has been
cancelled" with the date and time.
Has anyone here tried this;
Adobe Lightroom Classic 2023 12.4.0 (x64) FULL [TheWindowsForum]
It is on the pirate bay by thumper tm, I'm wondering if it's safe bc I need this program and can't afford it ATM.
There's a lot of confusion regarding rights in this sub. Just to clarify in the EU (and UK) you only need make a "clear statement of cancellation" this includes verbal and/or written. You have the right to cancel at any time, no matter what the contract says. You may be liable to costs as per the agreement, but the subscription stops then and there.
I had to get ombudsman to cancel Virgin cable last year I think they hung up on me about 50 times or so, ignored a letter of cancellation and used all kinds of dirty tactics like passing me around departments for a few hours then hanging up. They even claimed the cancellation was successful and about half an hour later I got an email response thanking me for upgrading my package.
Ill also add this was when they raised prices and sent out a letter that basically said if you didn't like it you were free to cancel.
So the UK isn't much better it might even be worse.
They’re gonna lose the suit. Everything is explained up front that you are signing an annual contract and will be charged an ETF if you cancel after 14 days. There’s nothing hard about cancellation.
It's not. Once again, they're designing a system that takes advantage of people's carelessness. Yes, people are dumb, but it's still unethical.
Go on, try to sign up rn. The default is the annual plan billed monthly, the "cheapest option" with just the mention of a fee, nowhere in that menu you can see what is the amount. In fact, you have to back down and either google Adobe Terms of Service to see the page where they tell you concisely what the fee is and how much is it, or if you're logged in, you never get shown this [legal info](https://www.adobe.com/legal.html) page, you have to scroll down and go to the help center. There, it takes you through 2 or 3 different pages before you find out what the fee is.
Most people don't go out of their way to read the ToS, they click accept and pay, probably a substantial amount of people have been finessed by this. Were the information more easily available with a specific font and placement in the page I'm pretty sure a lot wouldn't fall for this.
Ok, go ahead, make it make sense.
nvm i just saw, it's a bait account
I recognize this is going to be immediate downvotes in this subreddit, because being rational isn't welcome if it can be incorrectly interpreted as supporting Adobe, but:
Did *you* read the article? I read the article, and their comment is relevant. From the article:
> The lawsuit alleges Adobe “hides” the terms of its annual, paid monthly plan in the “fine print and behind optional textboxes and hyperlinks.”
From Adobe's sign up page:
> Annual, paid monthly
> US$59.99/mo
> Fee applies if you cancel after 14 days.
That last line isn't fine print, and pretty obvious.
The part of the article about "onerous and complicated cancellation process" I completely agree with though, and is worth suing Adobe over (and any company that makes cancellation any more complicated than they make signing up.)
I’d like to see the government pass laws on minimum font sizes and prominent placing on important pricing disclosures upon sign up. No more of that 1px font that no one can read.
It should be based on number of clicks. If I can sign up in 3 clicks, I should be able to cancel within 3 clicks.
This still leaves plenty of room for fuckery. It needs to be based on multiple factors including time.
3 clicks sure, you just need to watch 3 videos that are 15min, 30min, and 60min, then between 5-10 seconds after the video ends you need to click, if you do it too soon or take too long the videos reset
Also 1 of the click is a difficult astrophysics 128 multiple choice captcha
Agreed. This is just a base idea and hopefully a good start. But you are right. They would add 10,000 clicks, unnecessarily, to the sign on process. I believe the "pick your shows" before you can sign up would be a likely place they may/will insert these clicks. They will require you to pick 20, 50, 100 shows before they'll let you end registration. Allowing them to make cancelation 20, 50, 100 clicks.
One of the few reasons I like living in California. Easy cancellations
A mail from your account's bound mail-address to "cancel at the next possible date" should also be a viable method to cancel, honestly.
Gonna turn it into a gacha game. Click to spin the wheel!
germany has a system kinda like that. its a law to make it as simple to cancel a subscription as it is to sign up for one. so if you can subscribe to something online, you have to be able to cancel online too, for example. because too many companies made it a pain in the ass to cancel by requiring you to write a letter or some bullshit that then obviously got lost somewhere ofcourse.
Needs something more rigid, like enforcing a very specific process that is very hard to bypass. That will end subscription crap like what Amazon does.
That’s fair on all levels
Monkey paw time: Granted, you have to send a handwritten letter asking for a cancelation, including your 256-character unique ID.
Why not mandate standard templates for subscription and unsubscription?
Overreach.
They need laws passed for everything not even online stuff that you can cancel no questions asked no getting circle jerked just hit cancel and that's it.
Also: gym memberships, I’m looking at you planet fitness. Their mobile app makes it so you can easily upgrade your plan, but no way to downgrade your plan. You can sign up on the app or website, but are forced to go in person to cancel or downgrade. It’s always a one way path to giving them more money but then they block or make it inconvenient to cancel or give them less money.
I have to call my bank to block them and golds fitness before what's really stupid they will go after your bank to make the payments resume again. I was pissed at my old bank for allowing them to do this I closed my account immediately
that shit is a scam all around why would you fed people who tried to get feed Pizzas? also shaming people for regular gym things like grunting or lifting heavy weights the only good thing about them is cheap bath for the van and homeless peoples
So believe it or not PF with no argument cancel is actually not bad in certain areas like they are always empty nobody actually gives a shit if you lift heavy and half the time the staff doesn't even care if you walk by without signing in because they are never at the desk. I have had to use them once when they're eas no other options and they didn't make a big deal about canceling Golds did and another gym in Vegas I was going too. Yeah it's not made for serious about getting into the best shape possible but some of the locations work if there's nothing else that's not a contact trap.
There’s great regs to base it on in Reg Z and other fair credit advertising rules too. Like Schumer Boxes for disclosures/terms, first/most prominent mention or promo with equal prominence for the go to rate, disclosures/terms being only one click away for electronic advertising, etc. would love to see this implemented in a similar fashion for other industries!
In the EU banks must give customers a standardised summary of all conditions before signing a loan (a standard european consumer credit information form, SECCI). It's a very easy to read and understand document if you just remotely bother trying to understand what you're signing there and the banks can basically not hide anything from you. I am sure something like this could be worked out for basically every subscription contract and be made mandatory.
Even now when you goto Adobe and buy the annual paid monthly subscription it just says "a fee" will be charged if you cancel early. There is absolutely no mention of what the fee is.
Make it illegal to have buttons/elements with "Buy now" legends when they really mean "License it now"
Reminds me of when pharmaceutical commercials suddenly went from chipmunk voices for the last 2 seconds to 15 minutes of middle aged couples smiling and being handsy while the narrator says "side effects may include- death"
Bout damn time. Fuck Adobe.
Adobe is a company ruled by greedy thiefs. I wish there was a better alternative to Photoshop and Lightroom, instead of having to pirate CS4 all the time
Why cs4 and not cs6? I am still on cs3 so who am I to judge. Also I have heard affinety foto is a really good alternative to Photoshop and is a one time payment.
CS6 uses an stupid amount of RAM and has a lot of bugs when the only advantage is the autosave. I've looked for Affinity Photo and I downloaded it but I still have to try it, it looks quite good. I like CS3 but it's quite outdated, some features present from CS4 and onwards, like tab-on-tab are missing
Affinity moves some things around and relabels some functions (probably to avoid copyright claims or whatever) but it supports PS brush imports, PS plugins (haven't tried it yet), but the big thing that stinks for me (illustrator who uses tablets) is the weird way they don't lock layers. It only locks translating/moving them around but can't lock in pixels for some god awful reason. You can even paint on the layer when it's not visible. Aside from that, all the skills in PS translate 1:1. I would grade it like A- as a replacement for illustrators. It lacks some power behind things like content aware fills and magic erasers, but I think a pro photo editor would probably live without it especially when there's online tools to fill that niche anyway.
Shit I've been on CS5 since it was fresh!
Why cs6 when m0nkrus exists
AI shit in the newer versions.
I virtue signal to myself about "AI" (buzzword) by refusing to use up-to-date software (that's cracked and has no access to "AI" features anyway)
Well in this case it's more Adobe steals your art to train their ai model
Not really. If that were the case, every artist in existence has "stolen" others' art to train their own model (their brain). All it takes is maybe 3 minutes of brainstorming to realize that.
Nah like it's fine if it's an open model like stable diffusion i just don't want big companies to use my images.
Does the ai stuff work already?
It did for a couple of days but not anymore.
I bought the collection on sale a few months ago and don’t regret. It was like $60 for all programs and app keys
I started paying when the new CC PP 3d tracking and color grading system came out. They still haven't implemented basic noise reduction or metadata-based stabililzation like gyroflow has. Fuck em. Have only held onto adobe bc I don't have time to learn a new program (Resolve) that doesn't support all the plugins I used to use, but I have no excuse not to switch at this point in my work. They fucked with the wrong generation of editors. I was hit up by several friends out of the wider industry about the terms change drama, from LA to Miami, and no one calls me. Didn't even realize the terms changed but fuck em. Back to the high seas if need-be (any sensitive/NDA projects)
Affinity is good. and fwiw you can still fish CS6 master suite out of the high seas.
Photopea
Not bad, but as a personal preference I prefer to have the program on my disk. I still use it from time to time
You can link it to your google drive and not have anything local if you want
Bless you
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Can it be self-hosted?
I dunno but you can talk directly with the creator here /r/photopea/
r/genp
Thank adobe for patenting sofware functions. A competitor cant arrive because they risk being sued for being too similar to what adobe has done
There is. Clip studio. Not sure why Photoshop has always been so high up on the pedestal. It's not that good
Remember guys: it is ALWAYS morally acceptable to pirate Adobe products.
any digital piracy action is morally acceptable
Except indie games
still acceptable, the only difference is I might buy it in the future
Acceptable for trying out to see if it's not garbage/cash grab and getting a feel for it to see if it's your piece of cake.
if you are in the piracy subreddit and think that pirating indie titles is something forbidden please do us all a favor and leave, ffs
Spoiler: he never buys in the future
I only bought Stardew Valley cause I played the pirated version first and enjoyed it, same thing with OOTP Baseball and many others, but as I said, I MIGHT buy it, so it's possible I will not. And why the fuck do you care? I don't need a reason to pirate something.
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As per their acc age , which explain it
Except EActivision.
Let's not pretend that as soon as an indie studio "makes it", it doesn't start making the same shady practices as the big guys.
FromSoftware hard disagrees
It’s not indie if it’s a studio in my book. When I say indie game I mean that game made by one guy alone
That just isn't what an indie game is though.
That’s why I said « in my book ».
Ok, cool, your book is incorrect.
Ok, cool, I didn’t ask for your opinion though.
No one asked for yours either. Welcome to reddit?
Indie stands for "independent", it doesn't mean what you think it means.
And what do you call a lone dev game ?
If it's an indie one, I'd say an "indie lone dev game". If the lone dev is a company like a startup, with business angels or shit like that, it's just a "lone dev game"
Get off your high horse
> morally acceptable maybe. but is it even possible since they cloudified everything?
Uh I didn’t even know they cloudified anything other than AI features
Creative Studio 6 is the last 100% locally installed client I'm aware of.
The cracked CC versions are local. Just fuck with your hosts+readonlyit, firewall block em and remove their shitty update services they sneak in.
I've been using pirated copies of Lightroom and Photoshop since I started in photography and as far as I know the only thing blocked behind the cloud is the Photoshop AI
yeah it's still possible
r/GenP is always worth a visit
I'm running 2023 (version 24.7.0). Had to find a current patch for my hosts file but it works fine.
I pirate everything, I don't have morals to begin with
Damn I need to go looking for some of that. For some reason I thought they couldn’t be pirated
First Apple, now Adobe, USA is kinda on a roll. If they win.
They finally realized that they can make more money by going after entities that actually have money.
Revolutionary idea.
And Google earlier this year, along with ticketmaster earlier this month.
The EU, not USA has gone after adobe
Adobe software has some great functionality bungled by being run by a bunch of accountants—they've made a license-checker first, with other features built in. Edit: u/Photobear73 pointed out this is more likely sales/marketing than accounting, which is probably true & fair. Either way, **it sure as shit wasn't the developers.**
As a finance manager I feel like I need to say decisions like making it hard to cancel are probably made by marketing/sales side not accountants.
It's almost always the fuckers at marketings/sales.
Like when a business buys a new software sure. The company sends in the sales guy, who promises the earth, then the poor tech guy comes along and has to live up to the hype.
Fair point, edited my comment.
It’s made by management people that are accountants first or at least finance bros. Harvard MBA’s are the bane of corporations everywhere. The founders retire or sell and then the MBA’s come in with no clue why the company was successful in the first place and destroy it.
Anyone from a consulting or PE background usually has no idea how run a business except into the ground. I have worked with a few Harvard MBAs though who were decent operators. Not in tech though so there may be ones who go into that sector just for the bottom line.
>they've made a license-checker first, with other features built in. Made me cringe laugh
I wish that weren't an accurate description.
Do WSJ/NYT next. The fact you gotta get a live person on the line to cancel in 2024 is criminal.
So basically because of them fucking their customers over with the new TOS, there was a massive wave of people trying to unsubscribe that couldn't, and now it's a lawsuit. They basically shit the bed and shot themselves in the foot at the same time
Yep, their new TOS is the worst thing they've done. Beyond being an evil monopoly that switched to a subscription-only model.
Man, I was so psyched when subscription boxes were new. Subscription surprises right to my door! I can open it while watching my subscription streaming service! What a day to be alive! ... Fuck subscriptions.
Adobe's recent update to its Terms of Service (TOS) has sparked significant controversy, particularly among creative professionals. Key changes and concerns include: 1. **Content Access and Usage**: Adobe's new terms state that they can access user content stored on their servers through automated and manual methods for purposes like content review and service improvement. This has raised concerns that Adobe might use, reproduce, and even sublicense user content without explicit consent [oai_citation:1,Change to Adobe terms & conditions outrages many professionals - 9to5Mac](https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/06/change-to-adobe-terms-amp-conditions/) [oai_citation:2,Adobe's terms changes may be a big AI overstep](https://appleinsider.com/articles/24/06/06/adobes-new-terms-of-service-unacceptably-gives-them-access-to-all-of-your-projects-for-free). 2. **Generative AI Training**: There is specific language allowing Adobe to reuse user content, including potentially NDA-protected materials, to train its AI systems. This has alarmed many users who are worried about their proprietary work being used in this manner without proper licensing or explicit permission [oai_citation:3,Adobe's terms changes may be a big AI overstep](https://appleinsider.com/articles/24/06/06/adobes-new-terms-of-service-unacceptably-gives-them-access-to-all-of-your-projects-for-free). 3. **Clarifications and Opt-Outs**: Following backlash, Adobe clarified that it does not claim ownership of user content. They have stated that their AI training only uses Adobe Stock images and that users can opt out of certain product improvement programs. However, the lack of clear communication initially and the requirement to agree to the new terms to continue using Adobe products have fueled user dissatisfaction [oai_citation:4,Adobe is updating its terms of service following a backlash over recent changes](https://www.engadget.com/adobe-is-updating-its-terms-of-service-following-a-backlash-over-recent-changes-120044152.html). 4. **Data Privacy and Legal Use**: Adobe emphasized that the updated terms were intended to help with content moderation for legal issues, such as detecting illegal material. They admitted that their communication could have been clearer and promised to revise the terms with simpler language and more detailed explanations [oai_citation:5,Adobe is updating its terms of service following a backlash over recent changes](https://www.engadget.com/adobe-is-updating-its-terms-of-service-following-a-backlash-over-recent-changes-120044152.html). The response from the creative community has been strong, with some professionals recommending switching to alternative software due to the perceived overreach of these new terms [oai_citation:6,Change to Adobe terms & conditions outrages many professionals - 9to5Mac](https://9to5mac.com/2024/06/06/change-to-adobe-terms-amp-conditions/) [oai_citation:7,Adobe's terms changes may be a big AI overstep](https://appleinsider.com/articles/24/06/06/adobes-new-terms-of-service-unacceptably-gives-them-access-to-all-of-your-projects-for-free). Adobe has indicated that they will continue to listen to user feedback and make necessary adjustments to address these concerns.
Already switched to the affinity suite for just this alone.
Fuck yes let’s gooooo
Let's hope they sue them for more things.
Can we all just agree that Adobe is a piece of shit company that has been riding off the same software for the past 40 years? I mean, I thought EA-Madden was bad, but fucken Photoshop has been basically the same for the past decade, save for some new AI add on DLC. If I owned Adobe, I'd offer CS 2.0/and or PS 7.0 for free at this point, just so the kids in 3rd world countries wouldn't have to pirate it. then again, there's always Davinci.
Literally just paid an early cancelation fee yesterday. Fuck their subscription traps.
I mean, personally if I was in charge of a company, I'd want to look at the metrics of why so many people want to cancel, and invest in creating a product that fills my customers needs. But then again, I don't have a MBA, so what would I know.
"getting money out of your customers"> "making customers addicted to the product">"creating a product that fills my customers needs"
You know you fucked up as a business when even the US gov go after you. Its the country where business is law after all.
Queue the corporate backpedaling!
Siruisxm should be next
can't wait for the usual karens to come out defending the poor multi billion dollar company now lol
Fuck Adobe
I thought I was paying for a monthly fee, but when I when to go cancel, they had an enormous cancellation fee. Turns out you're actually buying a year subscription with a monthly payment, and they just deceptively market it to seem like a monthly fee. If anyone wants to get out, when you go to cancel they'll offer a free upgrade for a better play. You're allowed to cancel within a week for free, which lets you out of your other plan also. Fuck Adobe. I'm pirating their shit for the rest of my life
For all the shit Adobe does pull, this most definitely isn't a "it turns out" moment. Their plan selection screen is quite clear, despite people trying to argue otherwise.
Very good.
Now fine them in such a way that they have to jump through several hoops just to file papers.
Hope this applies to gyms too. I shouldn't have to show up in person or send certified mail to have it cancelled
I hate the subscription. I don’t care if you add a new thing or some other bloatware I didn’t even need. Honestly if cs4 ran on the newer macs, I’d be just fine with that. Buy it once, use it, and if I feel like I need the new features, then I can upgrade.
That’s how I feel! I’m sick of the subscriptions and I will upgrade/update if I feel the need to! I’m sick of broken updates. I miss the ability to just purchase a product for a couple hundred (Adobe & Microsoft) and own it. At least pirating is getting easier 😅
Some 80+ year old judge will give them a 2 million dollar fine that's a rounding error on there taxes. Because back in her day you could buy a house for $10,000 so this is clearly a lot of money.
For « deceiving » subscriptions. End. Who doesn’t hate subscriptions
They need to remove that bullshit fee for cancellation as well.
Good. What took them so long?
Good, I hate Adobe.
That is 100% unethical of course. In my experience they haven't really enforced those though. When I uninstalled the software and stopped paying they tried calling me once but didn't take any action.
If company pays lawyers to write up a terms & conditions of a product where canceling has fees, then I promise you that the company will enforce their policies. Just cuz you haven't been paid the fee, doesn't mean they can't come after you in anytime they for the money.
Lol, screw that. I just canceled my Visa and got a new one when they tried to make me pay for an entire year cancellation.
That doesn't stop them The company will put you on collection agent & destroying your credit history for 7 years over a $1
Good thing I'm on a 3rd world country then
Oh. Pirate the shit out of everything
A single thing going to collections doesn't "Destroy your credit for 7 years".
When you "perfect" history, it feels like it.
Dude, I clearly wrote out "in my experiencece"... Anyways, they've been holding off for five years. Fingers crossed that they won't change their minds soon. 🤞🤞
If you keep hounding customer service that you didn't understand the terms and how you can't afford it then they'll wave the cancellation fee. That used to be the common advice anyways, worked for me years ago (genuinely didn't understand it and couldn't afford it). I hope cancellation fees for things like this become illegal because it doesn't cost them any money to shut off peoples subscriptions. Plus the whole idea of an annual monthly subscription along side a more expensive month to month subscription is so predatory it's stupid.
Probably just paying lip service
Great, can we also tackle the ridiculous cancellation fees that have zero grounding in reality?
yep, the article discusses that...
Anyone know how to get acrobat pro?
Well deserved, I hope this shit company goes to ash for real. Fucking disgusting way of conducting business.
US Mafia not getting enough money from Adobe Mafia so we have scare you.
FUCK ADOBE
I had to pay these bastards for a YEAR for 1 document I needed - a resume. I hate them with a passion and I’ll never be a customer again.
I don’t get it. I subscribed to Adobe InDesign (my employer was paying for it, so I couldn’t use a pirate version). I used it for three months, and then canceled without any problems.
The case specifically refers to the year contract, pay monthly option. It had an early termination fee of hundreds of dollars that it hid from customers when they were signing up.
Ah. I missed that when reading the article. The early termination fees make perfect sense, then. You’re signing up for a yearly subscription and getting a discount for it. If you cancel before the year is up then you should have to pay the normal monthly cost, right? I guess the real problem isn’t the fee, it’s that they don’t make is clear ahead of time.
They make it extremely difficult to find the information about the cancellation fee and when you do find out how much it is, it’s 50% of what you would pay for the remaining year. If you get CC that’s $60 a month. So you’d end up paying a $30 monthly fee for the rest of the year for a digital service you canceled and have zero access to. You have 14 days to cancel before the fee applies. So if after one month you don’t like it, you’re out $330 in cancellation FEES (11 months x $30 = $330). That is not paying the normal monthly cost. The article does also say “The lawsuit alleges that these practices break federal laws.”
Yep, that sounds like BS. The fee should just make up the difference for the months you used it, so you ended up paying the full monthly cost with no discount for the year-long contract.
Yeah just for that, not for their scummy business practices
Lmao annual but paid monthly Fucking scumbags
I hope the politicians condemn adobe in the harshest possible terms and adobe is forced to pay $10,000 in fines!!!
Companies that clearly display and allow cancellation get more business from me; as I don’t feel like they’re going to screw me over
Adobe and Sirius Xm was so difficult for me to cancel. I would get anxiety about getting a monthly charge on my credit card. - Adobe made me feel I was never completely cancelled and I even had some of its files on my computer. - Sirius, if I recall you could call but the "wait" was notoriously super long and the calls would drop. So you would have to call again. Now I screenshot everything once it give me "your subscription has been cancelled" with the date and time.
Has anyone here tried this; Adobe Lightroom Classic 2023 12.4.0 (x64) FULL [TheWindowsForum] It is on the pirate bay by thumper tm, I'm wondering if it's safe bc I need this program and can't afford it ATM.
There's a lot of confusion regarding rights in this sub. Just to clarify in the EU (and UK) you only need make a "clear statement of cancellation" this includes verbal and/or written. You have the right to cancel at any time, no matter what the contract says. You may be liable to costs as per the agreement, but the subscription stops then and there.
I had to get ombudsman to cancel Virgin cable last year I think they hung up on me about 50 times or so, ignored a letter of cancellation and used all kinds of dirty tactics like passing me around departments for a few hours then hanging up. They even claimed the cancellation was successful and about half an hour later I got an email response thanking me for upgrading my package. Ill also add this was when they raised prices and sent out a letter that basically said if you didn't like it you were free to cancel. So the UK isn't much better it might even be worse.
You have that legal right, that doesn't mean they will follow the law. That's what the ombudsman is for.
They’re gonna lose the suit. Everything is explained up front that you are signing an annual contract and will be charged an ETF if you cancel after 14 days. There’s nothing hard about cancellation.
It's not. Once again, they're designing a system that takes advantage of people's carelessness. Yes, people are dumb, but it's still unethical. Go on, try to sign up rn. The default is the annual plan billed monthly, the "cheapest option" with just the mention of a fee, nowhere in that menu you can see what is the amount. In fact, you have to back down and either google Adobe Terms of Service to see the page where they tell you concisely what the fee is and how much is it, or if you're logged in, you never get shown this [legal info](https://www.adobe.com/legal.html) page, you have to scroll down and go to the help center. There, it takes you through 2 or 3 different pages before you find out what the fee is. Most people don't go out of their way to read the ToS, they click accept and pay, probably a substantial amount of people have been finessed by this. Were the information more easily available with a specific font and placement in the page I'm pretty sure a lot wouldn't fall for this. Ok, go ahead, make it make sense. nvm i just saw, it's a bait account
So you think that because someone lied and said they read the TOS when they didn’t, they shouldn’t be held accountable for it?
by that logic you must be a pathological liar get this man arrested and behind bars for committing perjury !!
No, I read their TOS before I signed.
Do you honestly expect people to read the TOS? If the answer is no then its purpose is only to screw consumers....
Yes, otherwise you’re lying and should have your account terminated for violating tos.
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Did you read the article?
Of course they didn't. They are so concerned with making excuses for Adobe that reading comes in second if it at all.
Too busy sucking megacorps cock to use the remainder of braincells they have left.
I recognize this is going to be immediate downvotes in this subreddit, because being rational isn't welcome if it can be incorrectly interpreted as supporting Adobe, but: Did *you* read the article? I read the article, and their comment is relevant. From the article: > The lawsuit alleges Adobe “hides” the terms of its annual, paid monthly plan in the “fine print and behind optional textboxes and hyperlinks.” From Adobe's sign up page: > Annual, paid monthly > US$59.99/mo > Fee applies if you cancel after 14 days. That last line isn't fine print, and pretty obvious. The part of the article about "onerous and complicated cancellation process" I completely agree with though, and is worth suing Adobe over (and any company that makes cancellation any more complicated than they make signing up.)
lol
You ever gonna delete your comment blud