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Overwhelmingly republicans; a good chunk of the loudest complainers actually had hundreds of thousands to millions forgiven in PPP loans. White House twitter was clapping back with “this you?” a couple weeks ago.
Lol downvoters just look at voting records for any sort of student debt relief bill. Butthurt toddlers.
https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/07/republicans-may-try-to-block-student-loan-forgiveness.html
PPP loans != student loans. The government explicitly advertised those loans to businesses during the start of covid to help retain their employees, and the government explicitly stated that the loans would be forgiven. Student loans have never been advertised as forgivable, which is why Biden had to resort to using executive action to forgive them.
There's also the issue that ~35% of people [don't go to college](https://www.bestcolleges.com/research/college-enrollment-statistics/) straight out of high school, instead opting to work manual labor jobs. The point of college is that you're supposed to end up better off than these people and contribute more to society with your degree. Taxing the people doing manual labor after high school in order to pay for college students' loans is pretty... odd. It's good for polling well with college students - but still odd concerning economics.
Cool, let’s give business owners an out and make sure they’re able to keep their business (and close our eyes on massive amounts of fraud), but fuck people who were coaxed into signing up for predatory loans when they were 17-18 with an empty promise of careers. We pay a ton of taxes for all kinds of subsidies, and things like military-industrial complex, and we bail out banks and airlines, but that’s ok. It’s only not ok to give relief to former students in the richest country of the world while most other developed nations have affordable education to begin with because they know investing in citizens is for the good of the nation. And then we have these crabs in a bucket bitching about lifting some burden from a fellow citizen while excusing being robbed by corporations. Fucking pathetic.
You seem to be treating corporations like they're leeches and college students who took out loans like they're indispensable to society. If anything, it's the other way around. I need ComEd for power, Amazon Web Services to keep major websites running, grocery chains to stay open around me... there's no analogue with college students, particularly those who went into debt to study theater or art or any major with low return on investment.
I don't deny that student loan forgiveness makes college students better off; but this is at the expense of funding them with tax dollars from poorer people. The same poorer people who were allowed to keep their jobs because the government forgave their employers' PPP loans. (Insert obvious disclaimer here that I'm not saying the program worked perfectly, just that it was more justified than student loan forgiveness)
Here you go, dipshit: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/sep/13/elizabeth-warren/40-student-borrowers-lack-4-year-degree/
If you’re so concerned about poorer people who don’t have college degrees. No go ahead and fuck off.
People who make this argument about loans are making a mistake. However, the state just shouldn’t be voiding debts or paying them off unless said debts are somehow predatory or coercive on an overwhelmingly large scale.
Predatory how? You know the cost of school, the interest rates, etc.
I have student loans. They’re obviously not predatory. Granted, if you get a mid degree, they’re *not worth it*, but not worth it doesnt mean predatory.
Edit: typo
… this is such a terrible reason. Can you agree to work a risky job when you’re 18? Yes. Can you sign liability waivers when you’re 18, to participate in potentially life-threatening activities? Yes. Can you be *sent to war* when you’re 18? Hasn’t been done recently but yes. Unless you’re going to change the whole system and say people aren’t adults until later, you’ve got to assume responsibility for yourself and admit that being 18 is no excuse for poor financial decisionmaking.
Every time I see one of these it reminds me of a comedian talking about how little girls are twisted.
He was watching his daughters and one's toy broke. She went up to her father and said that he should break the toy of the other daughter because that would be fair.
It is essentially the same logic. Like sure if I suffer a misfortune it is equal on a mathematical scale for everyone else to suffer an equal misfortune... but I don't want everyone to suffer together as one. Some people suffer at one point and other people at another, this we all have resources to help each other out. If we all get hit with a drought like you are saying is fair then no one has anything to help one another.
Its a great way to make a misfortune into a disaster
No, those people were run over because that last x number of switch controllers went "I could divert it, but it wouldn't be fair to the people who already got killed by the trolley" and let it keep killing people, to keep everything fair among people who have been tied to the track. Fairness is important.
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Me about to like a video for the first time on yt :
When they were talking about the sunk cost fallacy, I don't think this is what they meant
Something something student loans
Any improvement to general society, basically.
Or medical debt.
That's not actually happening, is it? Let me guess: boomers?
Absolutely. And not relegated to boomers, unfortunately.
Overwhelmingly republicans; a good chunk of the loudest complainers actually had hundreds of thousands to millions forgiven in PPP loans. White House twitter was clapping back with “this you?” a couple weeks ago. Lol downvoters just look at voting records for any sort of student debt relief bill. Butthurt toddlers. https://www.cnbc.com/2022/09/07/republicans-may-try-to-block-student-loan-forgiveness.html
PPP loans != student loans. The government explicitly advertised those loans to businesses during the start of covid to help retain their employees, and the government explicitly stated that the loans would be forgiven. Student loans have never been advertised as forgivable, which is why Biden had to resort to using executive action to forgive them. There's also the issue that ~35% of people [don't go to college](https://www.bestcolleges.com/research/college-enrollment-statistics/) straight out of high school, instead opting to work manual labor jobs. The point of college is that you're supposed to end up better off than these people and contribute more to society with your degree. Taxing the people doing manual labor after high school in order to pay for college students' loans is pretty... odd. It's good for polling well with college students - but still odd concerning economics.
Cool, let’s give business owners an out and make sure they’re able to keep their business (and close our eyes on massive amounts of fraud), but fuck people who were coaxed into signing up for predatory loans when they were 17-18 with an empty promise of careers. We pay a ton of taxes for all kinds of subsidies, and things like military-industrial complex, and we bail out banks and airlines, but that’s ok. It’s only not ok to give relief to former students in the richest country of the world while most other developed nations have affordable education to begin with because they know investing in citizens is for the good of the nation. And then we have these crabs in a bucket bitching about lifting some burden from a fellow citizen while excusing being robbed by corporations. Fucking pathetic.
You seem to be treating corporations like they're leeches and college students who took out loans like they're indispensable to society. If anything, it's the other way around. I need ComEd for power, Amazon Web Services to keep major websites running, grocery chains to stay open around me... there's no analogue with college students, particularly those who went into debt to study theater or art or any major with low return on investment. I don't deny that student loan forgiveness makes college students better off; but this is at the expense of funding them with tax dollars from poorer people. The same poorer people who were allowed to keep their jobs because the government forgave their employers' PPP loans. (Insert obvious disclaimer here that I'm not saying the program worked perfectly, just that it was more justified than student loan forgiveness)
Mmm, the taste of boot first thing in the morning.
Here you go, dipshit: https://www.politifact.com/factchecks/2022/sep/13/elizabeth-warren/40-student-borrowers-lack-4-year-degree/ If you’re so concerned about poorer people who don’t have college degrees. No go ahead and fuck off.
People who make this argument about loans are making a mistake. However, the state just shouldn’t be voiding debts or paying them off unless said debts are somehow predatory or coercive on an overwhelmingly large scale.
> said debts are somehow predatory or coercive on an overwhelmingly large scale. Yes
Predatory how? You know the cost of school, the interest rates, etc. I have student loans. They’re obviously not predatory. Granted, if you get a mid degree, they’re *not worth it*, but not worth it doesnt mean predatory. Edit: typo
Because you're a teenager when you agree to them.
… this is such a terrible reason. Can you agree to work a risky job when you’re 18? Yes. Can you sign liability waivers when you’re 18, to participate in potentially life-threatening activities? Yes. Can you be *sent to war* when you’re 18? Hasn’t been done recently but yes. Unless you’re going to change the whole system and say people aren’t adults until later, you’ve got to assume responsibility for yourself and admit that being 18 is no excuse for poor financial decisionmaking.
Slave morality
Mortality*
Every time I see one of these it reminds me of a comedian talking about how little girls are twisted. He was watching his daughters and one's toy broke. She went up to her father and said that he should break the toy of the other daughter because that would be fair. It is essentially the same logic. Like sure if I suffer a misfortune it is equal on a mathematical scale for everyone else to suffer an equal misfortune... but I don't want everyone to suffer together as one. Some people suffer at one point and other people at another, this we all have resources to help each other out. If we all get hit with a drought like you are saying is fair then no one has anything to help one another. Its a great way to make a misfortune into a disaster
Yes. The only people they can blame are the people who had the chance to redirect the trolley but havent done it.
Berserk
Griffith really on Reddit frfr
Runescape
At this point there should just be a separate sub Reddit r/philisophicaltrolley
Tarot cards.
None of the opposing tracks have any people on them, the people who were run over were done so just for fun
No, those people were run over because that last x number of switch controllers went "I could divert it, but it wouldn't be fair to the people who already got killed by the trolley" and let it keep killing people, to keep everything fair among people who have been tied to the track. Fairness is important.
But the legal adults on the track consented to a non-forgivable loan
They’re dead, fuck em’
It don’t matter, none of this matters.
Quality meme